Squeezing RIDICULOUS power out of a cheap amplifier?? - Audiopipe Modification PART 2!
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- Опубликовано: 16 окт 2024
- Guys! Sorry this is taking so long! Many complex! Such thinks! Part 3 will showcase the amplifier up and running, stable and making power, and i'll be giving demos in the van with the DD Z415s before going back to Dereck for the dyno results! Im so fricking excited!!
Wow man, you've really put the work into this one! The awesome part is you are teaching us along the way. Looks like this little amp is going to be a beast!
Love both ypur channels to bad you couldn't combine both channels to make something really cool. With his know how and extensive knowledge on amps and your knowledge and know how on testing could be one badass ( excuse my language ) channel. 100% gold idea right there.
@@joshuakemp1439 that's what they are doing here
This dude is so smart big d!
@crewchief No that's not what they are doing here each have their own channel,one test power the ither a mad scientist. im talking about having both on one channel. But i know you felt like you know what im talking about and thank you for the incorrect reply
It's interesting test this amazing modified amp in your dyno Williston [awesome amp dyno channel] 😎
All of this is over my head, but I really enjoy watching it.
I'm with you on that 😜
Lol right
I’m like this is awesome but I’m lost
Literally just make it bang lol
This dude is a mad scientist. I freaking love it. I have no idea what the hell you’re talking about but I’m zoned in for sure.
I'm into car audio but I have no idea about half the things you talk about but your passion and enthusiasm is infectious!
Holy shit Sam! No wonder it's taking a minute! That is wildly complicated! I'll bet it's 6 or 7k+ before it gets too hot. The heat sink is gon get some work. I'm stoked man thanks for the update
Loving this modding series.
Who else is on deck waiting for the unveiling?!?!
He should design and build his own amps "Bare True Power Amps"
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Is there a part 3 to this series. These mods are very interesting.
Hey man! Super excited to see Part 3 if you're still planning on getting it all figured out. How is the progress??
Waiting on part 3 myself maybe he won't make a part three it's been awhile since this video came out.
Yeah I was also looking for part 3 after I watched 1&2
@barevids I absolutely love these episodes!!! When do you think part 3 is coming out?!?
Nothing can ever stay stock with this man! Heck of a video.
So, you are able to figure out these issues and the entire R&D team can't. This tells me that you definitely know your shiznizzle. I absolutely enjoy your channel and can't wait for the unveiling!!!! Many complex! Such thinks! Wow.
Very well done, so we were correct about the duty varying being the feedback sensing. I will be sending my audio pipe to Derick soon as well, we'll see how much my modded Audio Pipe APMI1500 .1 does now.
You ever send it to him? Get results?
This is beautiful! Love it! Keep at it chap!
I think you should make your own amps. I would definitely buy one. Great content. Thank you for your time and knowledge.
Yo Sam! This is the best series I've seen and the one I've been waiting for you to do! I always wondered why you didn't make slight changes to some amplifiers to improve reliability or power since you know so much about how it all works. I didn't know it would be so complicated and so difficult to get it all right. Im really looking forward to your part 3! I would really really love it if you worked with a Korean build house to design and have built your own line of original design amplifiers. You should consider doing it man. Start your own brand that is reliable and efficient, and obviously puts out gobs of clean power. I'd buy one in a heartbeat, and you have hundreds of thousands of potential customers once Derek puts your line of amplifiers on the Dyno. It's a golden opportunity. Don't pass it up. It could change your life.
This is awesome. Thanks Sam. Looking forward to your results.
I wouldn't worry about the litz wire bro, even 30k amps don't use it, I can't think of a single amp that does. That core is a quality one and will do the heavy lifting, you can tell because of the lack of wire it needed on the 8k.
Love your work!
Excellent work Sam! You are a genius! It was so easy to just sit back and watch the whole video on this one. Beautiful work!
I'm really into audio electronics that much but not really knowledgeable about these kind of stuff, I always thought I could change the components on my amps to make more power and just by watching this, I feel like I had an electronics degree 🤣 cant wait to see to the final stage.
I waited long and hard for this and you didn't disappoint. You're a f*cking genius man!
Wow can’t wait to see the results 💪🏼
Wow you're videos are improving exponentially. Well done Sam.
O and I’m waiting for the day for DD Audio or Kicker to hire you bro! I personally think Kicker would be awesome but it has been cool to see your progression over the years.
I've been following this for a good while now. I would love to see this thing in action when it's finished. I was wondering if you will finish this wild and interesting project. Love what you do.
Not a clue, however this is great viewing and very inspiring to learn about the mystifying world of electronics.
I remember back in the day when I cranked up internals on two 1000w dirty radio shack amps…. Good times
I wish more people would follow this feller!! SOOOOOO MUCHHHHHH knowledge here and the guy isn’t a dull stale shlep to watch
So technical, I can't completely follow some stuff but what I can follow is that this project is freaking awesome!! I can't wait to see you hairtricking with that little thing. Enjoying a lot Sam, thank you for the content!
Awesome in all videos , unbelievable freak dyno amp test I think a tons of watt coming out with bigger fet can handle more amps. Great job about reverse engineering 👍
This is going to drive me crazy till Dereck gets that amp. Nice work, Sam!! 💪👌
as a community we should probably try to get this man some proper wire for this project
HEY MAN I AM SUPPER EXITTED ABOUT THIS SERIES!!!!! Off to watch part one> I really enjoy watching repair. But mod for awesomeness. What a great idea. Love your work. Keep on keepin on Brother LOL
Good job. Very interesting. You're a smart young man, keep up the great work
Part 3, even if it smoked!
When is part 3 of this video coming out?? I have been waiting for the last 2 years lol😂
Cant wait to see how much power it makes.
Awsome video . Love the explanation and the information. Thank you for taking the time to go through,start to finish. Its very interesting to see this amp upgraded internally. Can't wait to see how much power you manage to squeeze out of this little amp
Love the vid. I used to repair amps, mostly re-soldering "jumpers" on the boards.
This is exactly what I want to do to my MTX7801 and my brand new Orion XTR 2500Dz, I have the equipment and electronic experience to do so BUT I don't have the experience of what other components (that you pointed out, and what waveforms to look for). This modification is really exciting to watch what problems that you come across and the remedy that you come up with. As Wiledy Coyote said "GENIUS SUPER GENIUS!)
I am really excited to see how this turns out. Also could you go over the output inductor? Thank you for the great comtent!
Best electronics vid I have seen so far... Kudos 👍🙂
Looking forward to see what the little monster will make for power.😁👍
When are you going to design your own amps? ;)
Now this is a good idea
Man oh man. You make such killer videos. Thanks for making content that fellow sound nerds can appreciate oh so much! :D
I was looking at amplifier boards that you can buy that doesn't have a power supply part of the board. You can build a full bridge rectifier with a filter capacitor hook it up to a 120 VAC wall socket and get it to output around 170 VDC going to the rails it would be cool building your own home audio amplifier with high output. You also could use a toroidal step up transformer and have more voltage if 170 VDC isn't enough.
Hi Sam, nice job indeed; some comments about your mods:
1. 200v rail is the absolute maximum limit for irs2092. It may run pretty fine at idle but when you ask for some serious current trough the load overvoltage spikes will appear on your fets. The spikes WILL kill your irs2092 at 200V. Stay below 170...180v to be on the safe side. This can also explain why your irs2092 is killed sometimes at power on.
2. Dead time: from the waveforms you measured the fets are hard switching at idle and means the dead time is too short. You said it is set to minimum (DT pin) which is a very bad choice. Since I don't think you are too concerned with the Thd of this amp simply put it at maximum by changing the R around DT pin. This will remove some stress from the output fet that are clearly slower than the original ones.
3. Output inductor: good idea to increase the value but don't use the transformer core for it, it will never work. The transformer uses an high permeability core (2000..5000u) while the output inductor uses a low one (10..100u). Winding the output chocke on the transformer core will make it instantly saturate and you fets will be broken right away. Increase the turns on the original core or stack 2 identical cores if you need more inductance. A suitable core will be something like T130-2 or T157-2 or other distributed gap cores like Kool mu, sendust or MPP types.
4. Duty cycle change with rail voltage: this is something not intended by irs2092 and I think is a kind of protection to make it clip earlier at high rail voltage like you clearly explain. Check whether there is a resistor going from the positive rail to the feedback circuit around pin 2 or 4 of irs2092. If you find something like this simply remove it. The output idling voltage shall always be vrail/2 whatever vrail is. If this is noz the case means there is something addind DC offset to the feedback and has to be removed.
5. Litz wire: you don't need it at 25kHz and I don't think you can push the PWM frequency up too much with these beefy power supply fets you choose. Use many small wires in parallel to make it easier to wind
Great job so far... I hope you the best when you will start asking some serious power from it.... Good luck
Thank you sir! Some responses to your tips:
1) Yes! I noticed this a few days ago when studying the datasheet. Bugger. This is a shame as I could have used some 200V output fets with higher power handling... and it does limit how much power I can ask from this amp. A shame, but oh well. At least I know the reason the chips were dying!
2) I'm sorry I may have explained this backwards. The chip is currently set to MAX deadtime by default on the board. I cannot ask it for any more deadtime. It would be nice if I could... but DT pin is tied directly to Ground, if you check the datasheet for 2092 this puts it into maximum deadtime bracket threshold 4 (
@@barevids
1. 200v is the ultimate limit you have to live with it....
2. DT is already at max... Ok it is not enough because you lose zvs at no load. It is not a matter of switching speed is a matter of increased output capacitance of the fets. Increasing rail voltage will be even worse. Two ways to solve it: use mosfets with lower Coss (you don't need 300v btw.) or REDUCE the value of the output inductor. This will add triangle current in the fets at idle but the final condition is that the output capacitance of the fets must be discharged by the inductor triangle current during the dead time PRIOR fet turn on. Unwind some turns from your inductor and check the waveforms until you achieve this. This must be done at the highest possible rail voltage. Failing to do this will result is blown fets under power.
4. Sure but I don't know where to find the schematic of this amp... If it available somewhere I can have a look at it
I have the schematic, I can send it to you if you send me a message! :)
I’m super excited!!! Don’t have any clue what you where talking about for the last half hour or so but I learned a little something 😂
Very nice I normally scrap old microwave and ups transformers for the wires to do projects.
Mannn, I'm super stoked to see this lil guy pushing them DD monsters lol
amazing! dude your on track for being an amp designer. there is a guy GR Research on youtube, he upgrades the Xovers of premium 2 channel loudspeakers. you could be the car audio version of him
Definitely can't wait. Can I have this amp when you are done Sam. Thanks 😊 🙏.
Very good video! That amp is going to be bananas!
Greetings, sir: I have question, in hopes that you may be able to help me out. four years ago; I bought an amplifier at walmart. It was the "Dual XPR84D, class D 4-channel amplifier. It claims that the total power out put is 1,000 watts, however, it uses two 25 Amp fuses (50 Amps combined) at 12 - 15 volts D.C.. Don't get me wrong; I'm actually pretty impressed by its perfomance even today (May 12, 2022), but I was just curious if you were able to do a dyno-test on the aforementioned model that I have.
Thank you for your time and consideration.
P.S. I enjoy your videos and appreciate the quality of your videos, thus, I trust your observations on the products that you put to the test.
There is a dyno test already here
ruclips.net/video/23CVp1nczoM/видео.html
Talking about going down the rabbit hole. I love your videos your enthusiasm keeps me hyped. Yes big D I love his stuff. I’ve made amplifiers so I understand what you’re doing. I just have to wonder if anyone else does? Keep up the cool work I definitely will keep watching. I never got an answer back do you know what the comb is Nguyen talking about Speakers?
How is is going with the Audiopipe brazilian clone amp you've been tuning up for testing in the van and sending to Derek for the dyno test?
Please let us know if and when you get to publishing part 3. We're looking out for that.
Thanks.
Dude. Your a freaking genius! Why aren't you working for these companies designing boards?! Soooo looking forward to part 3. I'm a big fan of A.P. My whole audio build is A.P. the D is an APCLE30001.D and the 4 channel is an APCLE2004. But honestly I was disappointed when I saw them copying the Brazilian amp.
he can design his own brand of power amps in the future
Waiting on part 3 please
Bro you are a god with this.
Very curious to see how the traces handle. Always makes me laugh to see a ~200 figure on those tiny transistor legs but it is a very short run. Either way, all the solder and everything else increases resistance and learning how that stacks up would be cool. I wish you were closer, we have a few high res (lol high res IR is .5-1MP) thermal cameras you could use. Maybe someone local who works with drones or industrial apps has one.
cant wait for part 3!
LOL checking everyday for the last part or next part
Hooked, can’t wait for the next few videos
I wonder what you’re IQ is , you got to be pretty dam smart to figure all this shit out with out formal training, can’t wait for part 3
@barevids i'm currently dealing with a parasitic drain issue, and i've realized it's not my truck at all, but two audiopipe apcl-1500's that are drawing 24mA's each while off (no remote signal).
have you dealt with these or parasitic drains in general, i was informed by AP themselves as well as a few other individuals that the main power caps can cause, and are usually THE CAUSE for this issue and i'm just wondering if you'd agree with that statement before i go tearing this thing apart.
This dude really knows his shit
Awesome content man!
@barevids, did did part 3 ever get made?
Where is the Part 3? This was a big project, I hope you were able to see it through.
@barevids where's the part 3?
You ever finish this project?
I wish I was still working in the machine shops, I'd make Sam a Barevids heat sink for this board on the cnc mill.
@David Long I was a CNC programmer and Machinist for years I stopped recently and now build sub boxes in my basement. I've got a Taramps HD 3k that this Audiopipe is a copy of. I'd take the Taramps in and use it to design the heat sink with the Barevids "B" with the speakers in it right on the top, I'd also add more thickness to it and machine it from a solid block of aluminium. After all this work, its not much of an audiopipe its a Barevids amp
I THINK THAT ONE GONNA END UP IN A POOL OF MINERAL OIL TO KEEP IT COOL. :)
Hola amigo. Has probado el powerbass xa-4000d??? Que te parece ese amplificador??🤔
This is going to be fun !
When is part 3?
That thumbnail tho 🔥
Did u finish this amp
Always great videos! Can you show taramp users how to install a remote bass knob?
Looking forward to this!
This is an awesome video! it's even cooler when you learn how amplifiers work in class just to see that if you change the resistance in the voltage divider portion of the cct actually affects the output impedance to the stage. and just curious what channel will the other video be on?
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I can't wait to see this in the van I hope it pulls hair tricks...
Awesome video!
Good content my guy
Hey brother question.... Well a couple questions.... If this works for that audio pipe wanna be HD3k. Couldn't you do the same to the taramps HD3k and make it throw out more wattage???.. or how could you turn the hd3k into a let's say a prototype hd5000 and get it pushing 5k at 1ohm..? Is it possible with the hd?? I know the smart 3 can do over 5k @0.5 would the hd be able to do the same because they are extremely close in power.. and you know the skar RP800.1DM is the exact same amp as the CT Sounds 700.1D??? And very close to the CT sounds 1000.1D.. the boards and layout is very close.. but the CT sounds 700.1 and Skar rp800.1d are the exact same amp.. the skar puts out considerably more power but they look absolutely identical in the guts just different color though
amazing work tks
I know just enough to be scared to even attempt a minor repair and be confident that im not gonna start a fire....because I'd most likely burn shit down or totally destroy something that could've been made functional by someone not me.. wish i had your knowledge and skill in this area of electronics
Hey, tell me what kind of Litz wire you need and if I can buy it here in America I’ll get it and ship it to you.
exceptional
Was there a reason the Audiopipe was more efficient at 2 ohms than the Taramps?
Do you build amps ? I like rockford fosgate tm400x2ad and tm400x4ad, for my motorcycle. And have sound digital 800.4, bridge 400x2 at 4 ohm. I really like rockford tm400x2ad, but, need digital amp, 400 watt rms. rockford don't make a bigger amp for motorcycle for 12 volt power supply. mostly I don't know if I'm buying over priced amps or junk. But how to get more power
Did you try a HAM radio shop for the wire?
please open up and discuss with us a Tarantula Extreme Power Full Bridge Series amplifier I would love to see you break it down!
any luck on the service manual or schematic diagram,🙂 pls let me know if you have
Been waiting for a update on this, I thought u scrapped the idea. To me your speaking Mandarin lol but waiting for vid 3!!
You modify it I can't do that lol have you ever built a amp from scratch you must try it if you haven't already
Did you ever finish this modified audiopipe?
love this!