I got my i9 12900ks for $200. Feels like I got away with a total steal of a deal. It runs any emulator I throw at it no problem and with a little undervolting I can get the performance cores well into the 5Ghz range but I cap it at 5 to make sure it'll live a long life. Few games today interest me, and the ones I want to play it's so overkill that I shouldn't need to upgrade for a long time. Just banking on the FOMO the Nvidia 50 series cards will generate to snag a 40 series card at a good price and my build will be future proof to me for a long time
I highly suspect AMD will drop hyperthreading too at some point. Hyperthreading benefits from CPU cores not being fully utilized by allowing two threads to run at the same time. But there are two problems. 1. It does not improve single-threaded performance at all. so general computing (browsing the web, using applications) does not benefit 2. The efficiency of cores have been continuously improved to get better single-threaded performance, but this lessens the benefit of hyper-threading as there is not a lot under-utilization for hype-threading to flourish. Basically, hyperthreading works by sharing cores between thresds such that when one thread is waiting for data from memory, another thread can execute in its place, wasting fewer CPU cycles. But with improvements in memory speeds (like DDR5) and bigger CPU cache sizes, the benefit of hyperthreading is quickly becoming unreasonable.
I'm seriously thinking of the 245K to replace my i7-8700. At $330 it looks like a good deal, as the performance increase looks better than it does for the 7s and 9s.
I'm not sure if AMD is able to tackle these this time around. Zen 5 was a bit disappointy so far, hoping that the new X3D chips outperform Arrow Lake, but in my opinion it really shows that AMD needs a new design for Zen 6. Silicon interposers and a core count increase are the obvious way.
Okay? What's the difference between 13900k and 14900k? Lol, bro. AMD is actually doing something with designs, and Intel is still stuck with the same design; therefore, the degrading is from pushing it so far. Intel is going back in time without hyperthreading. They did that before. Intel most likely will fail unless they begin taking a loss from the top end and trying new designs, what AMD did at the beginning of the Zen series. They have no innovation while AMD is doing chiplet designs for their GPUs and newer CPU. Amd is constantly pushing boundaries while Intel is consistently trying to save money instead of pushing innovation.
@nostrum6410 The real one that's spinning unlike yours. Their CPUS dying because of being pushed so hard and using the same tech foundation. You made zero discussions with any information. Are you perhaps stupid?
@@nostrum6410 Your comment has no discussions but questions and haven't defended anything. You tried but your comment's dry as how you make women feel when you try to make a discussion with them. You get "no where". Go take a debate class and stop rotting your brain.
i think arrowlake will compete with amd, but the price im skeptical about. Never been a big fan of this slower ddr5 being the sweet spot for amd cpus. also optimistic because lunar lake seems to be doing everything intel had been claiming
The really bad naming system they got going for it isn't very reassuring to me. Also removing hyperthreading is a huge mistake, while it may be beneficial to gaming its not good for those that want to use their PCs for more than just gaming where multithreading performance matters in content creation workloads. I currently got an i9-13900K, with what has been going on with intel lately I might be moving to AMD for my next upgrade.
I have had good luck with my gimpy 12100f. After a year, i had serious fps drops & was hitting 99c under medium loads. I feared the oxidation, or wattae limit issues, but a heavier reapplication of thermal paste & a few new fans dropped my max load temps by 37c . I was lucky & would prolly uphrade to another 12th gen
Personally, Arrow Lake mobile CPU's could be really bad news for Qualcomm's Snapdragon X Elite SoC's. If Arrow Lake CPU's live up to their promises, it will be faster than the Snapdragon X Elite _and_ maintain full x86-64 instruction set compatibility, which means current versions of Windows 11 and Linux distributions don't need to be re-written for best performance.
@@SeanBotha dont talk trash bro intel is in no league with ryzen not in this life they have pure thermal and driver issues and overheat problems even their 14k series is fading soo fast
If you are a noob and don't know how to correctly setup a windows system. Never had more stable systems than with Rzyens. Oh, and we have more than 30 systems! 😅
underrated as hell
I got my i9 12900ks for $200. Feels like I got away with a total steal of a deal. It runs any emulator I throw at it no problem and with a little undervolting I can get the performance cores well into the 5Ghz range but I cap it at 5 to make sure it'll live a long life. Few games today interest me, and the ones I want to play it's so overkill that I shouldn't need to upgrade for a long time. Just banking on the FOMO the Nvidia 50 series cards will generate to snag a 40 series card at a good price and my build will be future proof to me for a long time
Nah dont trust mlid never
I highly suspect AMD will drop hyperthreading too at some point.
Hyperthreading benefits from CPU cores not being fully utilized by allowing two threads to run at the same time. But there are two problems.
1. It does not improve single-threaded performance at all. so general computing (browsing the web, using applications) does not benefit
2. The efficiency of cores have been continuously improved to get better single-threaded performance,
but this lessens the benefit of hyper-threading as there is not a lot under-utilization for hype-threading to flourish.
Basically, hyperthreading works by sharing cores between thresds such that when one thread is waiting for data from memory, another thread can execute in its place, wasting fewer CPU cycles.
But with improvements in memory speeds (like DDR5) and bigger CPU cache sizes, the benefit of hyperthreading is quickly becoming unreasonable.
I love how amd has become the new intel. Had some of the best chips of the last decade.. not just bringing out mediocre updates.. like intel :(
GEN 5 is mediocre. GEN 4 itself was not that great. Intel will overthrow AMD this year.
it will be lame as per bench leak. only 10% uplift from 14th gen and less cores
I'm seriously thinking of the 245K to replace my i7-8700. At $330 it looks like a good deal, as the performance increase looks better than it does for the 7s and 9s.
I'm not sure if AMD is able to tackle these this time around. Zen 5 was a bit disappointy so far, hoping that the new X3D chips outperform Arrow Lake, but in my opinion it really shows that AMD needs a new design for Zen 6. Silicon interposers and a core count increase are the obvious way.
Okay? What's the difference between 13900k and 14900k? Lol, bro. AMD is actually doing something with designs, and Intel is still stuck with the same design; therefore, the degrading is from pushing it so far.
Intel is going back in time without hyperthreading. They did that before. Intel most likely will fail unless they begin taking a loss from the top end and trying new designs, what AMD did at the beginning of the Zen series.
They have no innovation while AMD is doing chiplet designs for their GPUs and newer CPU. Amd is constantly pushing boundaries while Intel is consistently trying to save money instead of pushing innovation.
@@AlioTheo umm who said anything about 13900 and 14900? intel has no innovations? what planet are you on?
@nostrum6410 The real one that's spinning unlike yours. Their CPUS dying because of being pushed so hard and using the same tech foundation. You made zero discussions with any information. Are you perhaps stupid?
@@nostrum6410 Your comment has no discussions but questions and haven't defended anything. You tried but your comment's dry as how you make women feel when you try to make a discussion with them. You get "no where". Go take a debate class and stop rotting your brain.
i think arrowlake will compete with amd, but the price im skeptical about. Never been a big fan of this slower ddr5 being the sweet spot for amd cpus. also optimistic because lunar lake seems to be doing everything intel had been claiming
The really bad naming system they got going for it isn't very reassuring to me. Also removing hyperthreading is a huge mistake, while it may be beneficial to gaming its not good for those that want to use their PCs for more than just gaming where multithreading performance matters in content creation workloads. I currently got an i9-13900K, with what has been going on with intel lately I might be moving to AMD for my next upgrade.
e cores are picking up the slack for multithreaded workloads
Great video. I really hope intel will make it through these rough times. Not for their sake but for a better overall market for consumers.
I hope so too
It is called LAVA lake
to much hope so more fluff
I have had good luck with my gimpy 12100f. After a year, i had serious fps drops & was hitting 99c under medium loads. I feared the oxidation, or wattae limit issues, but a heavier reapplication of thermal paste & a few new fans dropped my max load temps by 37c . I was lucky & would prolly uphrade to another 12th gen
Personally, Arrow Lake mobile CPU's could be really bad news for Qualcomm's Snapdragon X Elite SoC's. If Arrow Lake CPU's live up to their promises, it will be faster than the Snapdragon X Elite _and_ maintain full x86-64 instruction set compatibility, which means current versions of Windows 11 and Linux distributions don't need to be re-written for best performance.
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Looking forward to doing my first PC build with an arrow lake chip
Nice video
Thanks
amd and never look back at intel.
New desktop cpu from Intel out preform and by 30% in gaming and uses less power
@@SeanBotha dont talk trash bro intel is in no league with ryzen not in this life they have pure thermal and driver issues and overheat problems even their 14k series is fading soo fast
12700K 💪 my 7800x3d 🖕issues with reboot from windows AMD software is 🤢
If you are a noob and don't know how to correctly setup a windows system.
Never had more stable systems than with Rzyens. Oh, and we have more than 30 systems! 😅
@@heinztimmer5453 lol what should i ajust? noob? i build my pcs for 20 years never had an issue