You REALLY CAN stop apologizing for not being on camera... we REALLY don't care if you're on the camera or not... you don't have to explain anything Paul :) It's all good.
@@nikobono2309 REALLY correct response, bro. Couldn't care less wether or not I see Paul on a video. I'm here for the things he talks about, not to see him.
I think it's kind of a race right now between the 9800X3D and Intel's best Arrow Lake. Both are poised to be the "best" gaming chips available when they launch. If Intel can make a super fast chip that is durable and stable, we won't even care how much power it uses or how hot it gets. The same is true for 9000X3D. Thumbs up!
Having a higher tdp should mean unlimited tuning on ryzen. I'd rather it have the 170watt tdp if i can rune to what ever. Instead of being limited to 120 watts or less like previous 3d cpus.
@@robreich6881 not true because the 9000 series are limited on gaming by the small cache, if you don't play games the performance on 9000 series are around 10% better so with some tricks like slightly increase in frequency the 9800x3d will have 15% better gaming performance. So it will have similar average performance as the ultra 9 on gaming.
@@kevinerbs2778 U won't be able to cool even 120 watts zen 3D CPU's my 7800x3D running on 80 watts on benchmarks or stress tests, reaches 80-82C , with 360mm Liquid freezer iii AIO. 170 watts probably even custom build direct die wouldn't be able to cool it down lmao.
This old i7-6700 non-k is just about ready for the retirement home ~ much like me. I am writing a letter to Santa, about a 9950X. Whether Santa thinks I've been good ~ remains to be seen.
i believe AMD can't fix 16 core 3d cache part due to SMT severe perform badly in the gaming benchmark when it only see 8 cores with half the cache due to SMT method that games not gonna see any use for 2nd CCD when all threads use up....for intel...its smart move to remove entire SMT...and use hybrid approach that force game take advantage all 16 threads that it take advantage all 16 cores vs amd only 8 due gaming code sees 16 threads on 8 cores vs intel sees all 16 cores
I'll wait for Nova Lake before I upgrade, but I hope Arrow Lake hits it out of the park. Its performance compared to Raptor Lake should give a hint of what Nova Lake could bring to the table. In the nearer term, I'm looking to upgrade my RTX 4070 to a RTX 5080 if it offers ~4090 levels of performance while consuming less power (and hopefully in a smaller 2.75 slot design). I really like my 4070, it steamrolls every game I throw at it in pure rasterization and does exceptionally well in light to moderate ray tracing workloads, but once I try full path tracing it definitely chokes. Games are still playable, but very hard to hit a consistent 60fps even with DLSS and frame generation turned on. I'll need a 5080 to get the path tracing performance I want.
As I sit here reading this on my 14700K, and wondering when my CPU will melt itself, I wonder if there is any level of performance that a new Intel CPU could have that would ever get me to buy another Intel cpu? Maybe, but not for at least until they make a few generations of chips that run at a reasonable power level, and without an unusual failure rate.
AMD is doing fine, its Intel that is in the black. Zen 4 will sell like crazy if Zen 5 X3D is underwhelming, which I highly doubt it will be if the overclocking X3D rumors are true, X3D will be the TRUE representation of Zen 5's capabilities. AMD has delayed the X3D Zen 5 processors to CES 2025 on purpose, to ensure maximum performance IMO. Intel MUST prove Arrow Lake is 200% stable, and 200% power efficient, for people to want to buy it. Especially after Intel deliberately screwed over all Raptor Lake and Raptor Lake Refresh customers, and Intel has refused to RMA.
@@iLegionaire3755AMD has been lying about their CPU’s performance this year. The new Ryzen 5000 chips are supposedly beating Raptor Lake in gaming, and Zen 5 has been underperforming what AMD has promised in their marketing slides. In their public slides AMD claimed Zen 5 was ~16% faster in gaming, but to reviewers they said 5%. The 9950X is supposed to be 21% faster in Cinebench than the 7950X, but never got near that performance in reviews. Zen 5 performance is also inconsistent as if AMD didn’t finish the microcode and shipped it 2 months early. I can trust that AMD will make a functional CPU and that’s it. Zen 5 was rushed and AMD lied about its capabilities. Both companies are scum, but buying AMD is essentially forced if you want to go beyond budget Alder Lake CPUs.
Why would you believe in a company? This isn't religion. Wait for reviews and make your choice, pretty easy. Let's hope ARL won't be another dud, and also won't die after a few months.
@@dex6316 AMD intends for 3D-Vache processors specifically for gaming, that is its intended market. Ironically, I find the 3D-Vache helpful for other specific productivity tasks as well. Unless you can afford Threadripper or EPYC, the non X3D Ryzen processors outside of Ryzen 9, are becoming more and more pointless to consider purchasing.
Man, I was gonna get a 5 8500G and wait for 9000X3D, and then I saw the leaks for the 5 7600X3D and thought I would wait for that, but now if the leaks and speculations are true, I’m just gonna get 9000X3D with my ROG STRIX X870E-E
Bro, I advice you to skip intel this time (1 year or more) to see if instabilty occurs, 9800X3D will launch early 2025, I am not an AMD fan boy, I am stil with i7 6700K and I want to upgrade too however I will skip Intel this time.
Anyone saying 14 gen and 15 gen are the same or are going to have the same issues is completely wrong it is like saying Intel and AMD are the same there is a huge difference. The IGPU is as strong as a 3050 GPU. The A20 node is going to have a 20% performance per watt improvement over the previous generation so 15 gen could use 100 watts and outperform a 14-gen CPU that is using 300 watts. Increased cache sizes. the A20 node can approach its maximum core speed more effectively because it operates in intervals of 16 MHz instead of the traditional 100 MHz. This smaller interval allows it to fine-tune its performance and reach speeds that are closer to its maximum potential. It's going to use CAMM2 which will be a huge performance gain. CAMM2 vs ddr5 ryzen 9 9950x (Capacity 64GB) (Speed 6000MT/s) (Bandwidth 64GB/s) (Latency 65-75ns) (Memory Perf 100%) ryzen 9 9950x3d This is just what we know (Capacity 64GB) (Speed 6000MT/s) (Bandwidth ?) (Latency 65-75ns) (Memory Perf ?) Intel i9-285KS (Capacity 192GB) (Speed 9600MT/s) (Bandwidth 154GB/s) (Latency 50-70ns) (Memory Perf 240%)
Oh, Intel bounce back. It's a relief to everyone. We don't want monopoly. We want healthy competition. AMD should come up in GPU front as Nvidia is dragging its product to sky high price and operating wattage.
I'm about to upgrade in September but I'm thinking about getting 7950x3d i know the problems it comes with but I'm mainly going to be using it for vr and blender. 😅i know i might need to use processor lasso might wait for 9950x3d hopefully has a uplift i still have a feeling amd mainly focused on x3d this time
9950X will beat 285K once they fix windows bug and update their Agesa to latest firmware and also test 9950X again on latest X870 motherboard. Which aren't out yet so this ain't 9950X's max performance. But when both CPU's are tested on Linux 9950X is just ahead. So 9950X is probably 3-5% faster then Core Ultra 285K there might be a 295K coming with more physical cores & less e cores. If this is happening we can also expect from AMD a 9960X, and 9960X will be on AM5 while the other two SKU's on Threadripper.
this is kind of wishful thinking: windows bug also affects intel cpu's, agesa updates only brings small percentage (decimal) advance on performance if any until now, the X870 chipset doesn't bring anything vs X670e in terms of performance - so what else is there?
@@barbacot01 Wishful thinking did you miss the Agesa update fix the double digit performance increase and that is without the X870 motherboards which will be more fine tuned. Another update is also coming to increase the sweet spot from 6000 MHz to 8000 MHz and this will increase performance again with lower latency. X870 chipset isn't out there yet so saying that it doesn't bring anything vs X670E isn't even tested YET. When it's out and tested vs X670E you will see the huge difference this boards aren't gonna be expensive for demical performance we talking about a jump from 6000 MHz to 8000 MHz even higher but 8000 is the next sweetspot. Faster ram frequency does impact performance by a lot even in gaming clearly you have not done any research otherwise we wouldn't have this conversation. Intel is in big trouble win 11 works smoothly on Ryzen but not great on Intel with their scheduler going crazy with those e-cores which btw doesn't have hyperthreading. AMD scheduler works smoothly and efficiently doing x2 the work with the shortest routes having more instructions per clock vs Intel. So only 10% of applications will use Intel's highest clockspeed to win from AMD but the other 90% of applications works faster/smoothly/efficiently without any errors as AMD doesn't have the e-core problem.
I live my life with 3ds max and I say that performance stat is ONE BIG STEAMING PILE OF BS. 13900k on the same level of performance with 9950x and 14900ks is basically on top of multicore performance chart, F off
Since the stock prices have fallen dramatically I used the chance to buy lots of Intel stocks and I of course hope that Arrow Lake will be a massive hit. I might even send my AM4 X370 mainboard (from 2017!) running a Ryzen 5800X3D CPU and a Geforce RTX 2080Ti to retirement and finally build a new rig with an Intel CPU and of course DDR5 RAM after using the old one for almost a decade.
My 2nd Intel i9-13900k just broke yesterday just like first chip at 6 month mark...just like first chip, with all same symptoms. In short: Ha! No thank you on Arrow Lake. Not touching it.
Interesting how far x86 have fallen compared to ARM, the M4 has a single core of approximately 3800 with snapdragon x nipping at it's heels - will be interesting to see what Apple presents next week. Too bad the GPU still sucks.
for gaming Amd x3d cpus will still beat new intel cpus , no need to wait , plus who knows what kind of problems new intel cpus brings , more crashing ????? i will not touch intel cpus for long time until they show its stable . 13th and 14th gen issues appered after a year , so you never know for while you have cpu issues . stay away from intel like its crona virus .
Why would I wait to buy something more expensive later that I don't need rather than buying what I need now for less, now? So I can have a framerate twice what my monitor can't display? Do I really need a computer that doubles as a space heater? Is there any benefit to an NPU? Does any commonly used software support it?
God damn! Those are some seriously impressive numbers for a chip with fewer threads and 100W less power. Arrow Lake is going to be a beast. Too bad they didn't re-introduce AVX-512.
I have 2 questions for Redgamingtech or anyone else on their thoughts: 1. I'm looking to get a flow z13 2025 version with the strix halo, do you truly believe that the GPU will perform as good as an RTX 4060-4070 given all the bandwidth and other restraints? 2. Also, looking at a potential Asus Scar 18 (2025) with an RTX 5090; I'm already disappointed in the VRAM leaks for the mobile 5090 so I'm hoping for some good news on a Scar version with that 5090 and a Ryzen 9945HX3D (mobile X3D) or even an Intel Core Ultra 285HX ... Still unsure what to go for ... I'm less trusting of Intel but its new architecture so it might not be unstable but also lost some trust in AMD and performance with Zen 5 chips. What do you think about the mobile high-end line of chips from Intel and AMD coming in 2025?
Another RGT video, another hyperbolic take that doesn't really match reality. The difference between the 14900KS and the 285K is underwhelming at best, and the difference between the 285K and the 9950X is a big fat nothingburger, and not even close to a "domination". Let's also pretend for a minute that Intel fixed their fabrication and materials over the 13th and 14th gen and that planned obsolescence isn't a thing.
I really wish AMD didn't chase the lower power B.S with 9000 series. They should have kept the power levels the same and boosted performance that much more.
Looking to upgrade from my 8600k/1080ti. But I prefer a more compact matx/mitx PC so AMD was my preferred option, even before the degradation drama. But Arrow lake bringing some competition would be helpful for prices. We don't want AMD to become Nvidia for CPUs
i think intel will end up being the better upgrade. they're desperate now, so they'll have to under-price AMD. the 285K will probably come in at $600 vs the $650 9950X and i'm gonna guess $800 9950X3D ? Great for the consumer. Intel will also have CAMM 2 boards available so there's a bandwidth uplift there as well.
Wrong, 9800X3D should just have higher clockspeeds and it will also be unlocked for overclocking, which you can't on 7800X3D. Rumours claim 9800X3D will ruin 200-400 MHz higher on all cores on average + more if you OC, which is huge for gamers.
@@Dr.WhetFarts The 7800X3D when you heavily undervolt it, performs better than at stock and its a BEAST at stock. People say the 7800X3D is bad at productivity but its so above average at productivity while sipping practically no power, that argument is useless against it. 9800X3D, even moreso I will bet!
@@Decki777 The only mistake AMD made with Zen 5 was they focused ironically TOO much on power efficiency when Intel was backed into a corner instead of finishing Intel off. Having said this, I want Intel to thrive again, more competition the better always. If Arrow Lake kicks ass, AMD is forced to make Zen 5 3D-Vcache processors and Zen 6 processors absolute bangers.
@@Dr.WhetFarts if you compare the delta between 7700x to 9700x in gaming we will probably see similar performance deltas across the board between 9800x3d and 7800X3D.
this is too embrassing for amd....they lost to a NonSMT, lower clock, 100w less than 9950x that litteral destroyed entire zen5 architecture not only math benchmark but with gaming benchmark are rumor its 29% more fps than 14900ks
If the difference between 7800x3d and 9800x3d is the same as between 7700x and 9700x then its just a lot of bollocks. There is no whatsoever indication the performance gain in gaming will be different then among the regular CPU´s. I just get a 7800x3d now and if 9800x3d is a lot better I can get it in 2 years for a lot less than now...anyone disagrees ??? Why ???
with arm gpu's coming in the near future. Does it still going to matter to have a 6 Ghz cpu. Lowering the electric bill should have always been main priority instead of more and more power. I am betting and waiting for ARM benchmarks from now on. To even know that these companies use more electricity then a small country should say it all
at 5:38 9950X score is 20550 and 9900X score is 19758. 16 core is only 4 percent faster than 12 core while having 33 percent more cores and running at a higher clock speed. something is wrong with the benchmark software. either it cant use all cores or it is written to favour intel.
Honestly I'm more excited to hear about the lower wattage parts... Be nice to see a 9500x3D and 8500 (8GB) running around 100 or less watts....and cost less than 500-600$....
Will we see thunderbolt 5 on some Z890 motherboards or is it just not possible if it is not supported in the chip like the presentation slide says? Would suck if we have to wait for the Z990. Also really hope that we will finally get 20 PCIE 5.0 lanes for both GPU and SSD at the same time on all Z890 at least.
What spoils it all for me is the unrealistic claims made prior to release.... both AMD and Intel. Don't they realise this only leads to disappointment and more lack of trust?.
@@exception6651 no because zen5 only good thing is that require less tpd to run high frequency that is the key, 9800x3d can achive 5.5hhz with only 65w like 9700x and remember the 65w 7800x3d only achive 5.0 ghz because zen4 need more tdp like 105w 7700x to achive 5.4ghz so yeah 5.0ghz vs 5.5ghz at 65w
@@777QuikSilver Is not me who said that Intel is Dead ... All f... RUclipsrs complain about Intel every single Video that looks like amd is the king ...but a closer look says in terms of performance both are the same level at the moment with slightly different scores up and down. But what you see is Intel is Dead Intel is not good buy Amd... Bla Bla Every single video. Let's see the future
9800X3D is going to be 15-20% faster than 7800X3D, why? Because 9800X3D will be clocked 200-400 MHz higher across all cores on average and will be unlocked for OC as well. MLID says 9800X3D is going to be a huge jump for gamers, mostly because 7800X3D is clocked low and locked down. There's pretty much zero to gain in terms of PBO on the 7800X3D. Yes the 7800X3D is still a good gaming chip but 9800X3D looks to be way better, especially for people that likes to tweak and OC their hardware.
No idea why would you even consider upgrading every generation unless you have FU money and don’t care. If you already have 7800x3d, upgrade for the latest gen on am5 platform.
@@Dr.WhetFartsThat doesn't add up though 400 mhz is barely 8% above 5.05ghz. at best it will be 5% delta on average from my outlook. Update I hope I am wrong.
Woo stiff competition coming! glad to see Intel coming back with its new cores and TSMC process... only to have X3D swoop in and take the gaming crown. im wondering if this will come down to N3 (intel) vs N4 (AMD)...
With the lowering of the TDP, wattage and speed - it looks much more likely it will be okay. I've been lucky with 13900kf, works wonderfully after a year - so far 😂
Zen5 works a lot better on Linux than on Windows but sadly it is not a good progress for gaming. I would expect better minima for the 9800X3D compared to the 7800X3D, the averages shouldn't be much better. The big problems with Zen5 are a huge throughput bottleneck and that not all types of instructions progressed, 1 even regressed a tiny bit (1-2%). Zen5 seems to be just the foundation for the next few generations. For some things it improved immediately - especially for tasks like datacenters and servers -, for other things it did not improve relevantly. I myself have a 3700X, I was hoping to upgrade, I might wait for Zen6 but of course it depends on the prices of Zen4 and Zen5. Deals are rare though in much of Europe.
@@cajampa I can't do just 1 generation as an upgrade while paying the same price as it was during release, that makes no sense for both financial and principal reasons for me. I think about either Zen6 or a cheap Zen4/Zen5 CPU to get started on AM5 but first I need to upgrade my 5700 XT and AMD has been disappointing with RDNA3 and disappoints with RDNA4.
@@kevinerbs2778 Feel free to back up your idea why the 9800X3D would be 23% faster with gaming than the 7800X3D while the 9700X is almost the same as the 7700X with gaming, on Windows anyway. From somebody who says that other people are full of crap I would expect some sound reasoning to back it up.
You are clueless, dual ccd chips sucks for gaming and they are doing split 3D cache again meaning just a single CCD gets it, which is even worse. 9800X3D with increased clocks and capable of OC + other improvements will beat 7800X3D fairly easy. MLID says 9000X3D is going to be a big jump over 7000X3D. Expect 15-20% uplift on avg 7800X3D -> 9800X3D with the possibility of more, since 9800X3D can actually be overclocked this time.
9800X3D will be the gaming KING in my opinion, a fully OVERCLOCKABLE 7800X3D?! Easy Zen 5 flagship is the 9800X3D, unless the 9950X3D can overclock higher and has two 3D V-Cache CCD's.
I’m building a new gaming PC from scratch. Should I go with Intel 285K or AMD 9800X3D/9950X3D? I’m planning on deliding the CPU and use a direct to die water block + OC and it is meant to go along the next top of the line Nvidia graphics card (also OC and water cooled RTX5090?) for 4K gaming. What would you choose and why? Sure all the components I’ve talked about haven’t released yet, but from the rumores…
Yeah, wait for reviews. I always do. For me I'm looking for a good gaming/production combo that Intel seemed to always win at. 9950x does seem to be intriguing, im waiting for Arrow Lake and 9950x3D reviews.
Delid CPU for 4k gaming 😉 No talk about RAM 😄 Yeah.... you have no idea what you are talking about. You just want a system to look cool. It does not matter which CPU you get with that goal. Or maybe take the one with prettiest motherboard?
That will be Zen 6, NOT Zen 5. Zen 5 9950X3D will have the same design as the 7950X3D, just with full overclocking support on both CCD's. I still believe the 9800X3D is the one to wait for. Until 2025 and the release of NVIDIA Blackwell (RTX 5090) and AMD RDNA5 (9900 XTX?) the 7800X3D reigns supreme for most buyers, or a 14900KS if you can afford the proper EKG DELTA TEC 2 Custom Loop Water Cooling Solution.
dumb title, upgrade when the prices are right for you.... look at the longevity the 5800x3d has had....it will still be a good cpu for at least 2 more years.
my next cpu will be an AMD that much is for certain, its also a certainty that it will be an x3d chip, which one depend on the upcoming launch. i wont even consider buying intel products any more not only can they not be trusted to produce a product but they are morally and politically unsupportable because of where they do R&D and manufacturing out of... i wont touch ANY product that comes from the occupation, and will happily boycott an business that operates within it. my next smartphone might even have to be a chinese phone as both ARM and apple both have the same political and moral liability of operating in the occupation... and while most of you might not care about this MANY people do, and this is why ethical consumption in capitalism is a virtual impossibility.
t's fruitless boycotting companies that have operations or manufacturing in Israel, otherwise you might as well throw out every computer or electronic product in your possession
@@benpedi6645 throwing out products doesn't help in boycotting, not buying NEW products does. is some cases you are left with no options like smart phone you CANNOT domestically buy a smartphone in north america that isn't connected to the occupation (sanctions and trade wars prevent this, so you would ergo have to but directly from the country) so i don't blame people for not boycotting that... but for example boycotting mcdonalds, starbucks, coca-cola and intel is easy to boycott, because there is are more moral options, that is just as good, if not better, that don't come with the moral turpitude of supporting the occupation... i've been boycotting companies that do business there to varying degrees for almost 20 years... and for the last 10 months it now actually illegal under international law to assist the occupation, though the west never really cares about international laws, they just weaponize it against weaker nations.
@@YTsupportsZionaziGenocidewell AMD had their fair share of broken CPUs back in the day What happened to that? It's normal for a company to fuck things up AMD is good because it has a competition Or else it would also become Intel ? That's how every company is Competition is good for the customer
@@harsha6937 competition isn't actually what is good for the consumer, ethical companies, that care about their products and customers are, but since those 3 virtually don't exist under capitalism anymore they go for the 4th best thing...lol competition doesn't get you a good product, nr an ethical company, it just get you more choices, (and MAYBE competitive pricing, which isn't for your beneifit either, its only for their benefit, and we all know that isn't a sure bet, especially in a duopoly), one of which MIGHT be a good product, and this speaking in general about all products (and services too) and in most products markets the choice is largely an illusion and many if not most companies in most product fields have entire umbrella of brands that are mostly just different in name only, or only as much is required by laws to be consider a unique product the situation between intel and AMD as a functional duopoly of solely their own brands is fairly unique in terms of products markets. the product market in terms of number of companies for mega-yachts is larger than that of CPU makers, especially when you realize that ARM isn't on the level of desktop CISC CPUs to be their direct competition yet, and china (mainland) CPU are only intended for their domestic market, because they don't trust AMD and intel chips to not have backdoors, and they use them despite being 3-5 years behind technologically (in 2016 they were 8-10 years behind, so they've closed the gap tremendously in in a period of rapid performance gains), also now because of sanction they functionally cannot export them to the US or any country allied with the US. also the market is now facing moral pressure too as 2 out of 3 major CPU makers (intel and ARM while not officially on the boycott list because of how little competition there is, are facing unofficial boycotting to a degree that is socially viable, as our world now revolves around having a computer and increasingly a smartphone.
I can’t believe people are still excited to purchase Intel CPUs. Live and learn or live and burn. Market confidence is at an all time low for Intel for a reason. That reason being they release unstable product regularly. Did they ever figure out how to bring the temps down on their fire-box CPUs? And the current problem with their CPUs literally oxidizing and thereby failing is ridiculous. Whoever heard of such a thing? AMD is living rent free in Intel’s head. Intel is struggling so badly to keep up that they’re releasing substandard product to their consumers. Go AMD and save yourself the impending frustration that an Intel CPU is likely to provide you. But hey it’s your money; if you want to waste it, then you’re certainly free to do so.
You REALLY CAN stop apologizing for not being on camera... we REALLY don't care if you're on the camera or not... you don't have to explain anything Paul :) It's all good.
REALLY passionate response bro
@@nikobono2309 REALLY correct response, bro. Couldn't care less wether or not I see Paul on a video. I'm here for the things he talks about, not to see him.
You are of course correct and I apologise for a few comments I've previously made. Thank you for everything Paul 👍.
Where is he? Why do I hear talking
Clocked 5% lower but performing 8% better, so about a 15% IPC uplift, not too shabby if true.
I think it's kind of a race right now between the 9800X3D and Intel's best Arrow Lake. Both are poised to be the "best" gaming chips available when they launch. If Intel can make a super fast chip that is durable and stable, we won't even care how much power it uses or how hot it gets. The same is true for 9000X3D. Thumbs up!
Having a higher tdp should mean unlimited tuning on ryzen. I'd rather it have the 170watt tdp if i can rune to what ever. Instead of being limited to 120 watts or less like previous 3d cpus.
I expect the 9800X3D to be basically the same story as all the other 9000 CPUs, basically the same as the 7800X3D
@@kevinerbs2778 The power limit is there most likely due to the placement of the CCD module.
@@robreich6881 not true because the 9000 series are limited on gaming by the small cache, if you don't play games the performance on 9000 series are around 10% better so with some tricks like slightly increase in frequency the 9800x3d will have 15% better gaming performance. So it will have similar average performance as the ultra 9 on gaming.
@@kevinerbs2778 U won't be able to cool even 120 watts zen 3D CPU's my 7800x3D running on 80 watts on benchmarks or stress tests, reaches 80-82C , with 360mm Liquid freezer iii AIO. 170 watts probably even custom build direct die wouldn't be able to cool it down lmao.
Very excited. I cannot wait. Upgrading from my Intel Core i7 4790k.
Very nice. I upgraded from 4790K to 12900K for Windows 11 at the time.
Bro, I am on 3570K expecting to upgrade. Can wait, its pain
I will be going from a 4770k to a Ryzen 5 7600x. I’ll stick with my gtx 1080 since I don’t play any modern games right now
Lol Me on i5 2500,
Planning to upgrade either to 9950x or a 15900k
Same
This old i7-6700 non-k is just about ready for the retirement home ~ much like me.
I am writing a letter to Santa, about a 9950X. Whether Santa thinks I've been good ~ remains to be seen.
U gettin coal homez
I just really wanna know about the 12 P-core lga1700 chips. Please let it be real.
Supposedly coming for client/OEM products and not desktop but we will see.
Overclockers UK still has the 7800x3D for £329.99
i believe AMD can't fix 16 core 3d cache part due to SMT severe perform badly in the gaming benchmark when it only see 8 cores with half the cache due to SMT method that games not gonna see any use for 2nd CCD when all threads use up....for intel...its smart move to remove entire SMT...and use hybrid approach that force game take advantage all 16 threads that it take advantage all 16 cores vs amd only 8 due gaming code sees 16 threads on 8 cores vs intel sees all 16 cores
I'll wait for Nova Lake before I upgrade, but I hope Arrow Lake hits it out of the park. Its performance compared to Raptor Lake should give a hint of what Nova Lake could bring to the table.
In the nearer term, I'm looking to upgrade my RTX 4070 to a RTX 5080 if it offers ~4090 levels of performance while consuming less power (and hopefully in a smaller 2.75 slot design).
I really like my 4070, it steamrolls every game I throw at it in pure rasterization and does exceptionally well in light to moderate ray tracing workloads, but once I try full path tracing it definitely chokes. Games are still playable, but very hard to hit a consistent 60fps even with DLSS and frame generation turned on. I'll need a 5080 to get the path tracing performance I want.
As I sit here reading this on my 14700K, and wondering when my CPU will melt itself, I wonder if there is any level of performance that a new Intel CPU could have that would ever get me to buy another Intel cpu? Maybe, but not for at least until they make a few generations of chips that run at a reasonable power level, and without an unusual failure rate.
I dont believe in AMD or Intel no longer - disgusting companies
AMD is doing fine, its Intel that is in the black. Zen 4 will sell like crazy if Zen 5 X3D is underwhelming, which I highly doubt it will be if the overclocking X3D rumors are true, X3D will be the TRUE representation of Zen 5's capabilities. AMD has delayed the X3D Zen 5 processors to CES 2025 on purpose, to ensure maximum performance IMO.
Intel MUST prove Arrow Lake is 200% stable, and 200% power efficient, for people to want to buy it. Especially after Intel deliberately screwed over all Raptor Lake and Raptor Lake Refresh customers, and Intel has refused to RMA.
@@iLegionaire3755AMD has been lying about their CPU’s performance this year. The new Ryzen 5000 chips are supposedly beating Raptor Lake in gaming, and Zen 5 has been underperforming what AMD has promised in their marketing slides. In their public slides AMD claimed Zen 5 was ~16% faster in gaming, but to reviewers they said 5%. The 9950X is supposed to be 21% faster in Cinebench than the 7950X, but never got near that performance in reviews. Zen 5 performance is also inconsistent as if AMD didn’t finish the microcode and shipped it 2 months early. I can trust that AMD will make a functional CPU and that’s it. Zen 5 was rushed and AMD lied about its capabilities. Both companies are scum, but buying AMD is essentially forced if you want to go beyond budget Alder Lake CPUs.
Why would you believe in a company? This isn't religion. Wait for reviews and make your choice, pretty easy.
Let's hope ARL won't be another dud, and also won't die after a few months.
@@dex6316 AMD intends for 3D-Vache processors specifically for gaming, that is its intended market. Ironically, I find the 3D-Vache helpful for other specific productivity tasks as well. Unless you can afford Threadripper or EPYC, the non X3D Ryzen processors outside of Ryzen 9, are becoming more and more pointless to consider purchasing.
@@iLegionaire3755 Overclocking on X3D cpu's are kinda useless, there are benchmarks which compare 5.4ghz 7800x3D vs 5ghz pbo. Average gains +2%~.
Intel dominates in leaks but fails in reality
Can't wait for clash of the Titans! ;-)
Man, I was gonna get a 5 8500G and wait for 9000X3D, and then I saw the leaks for the 5 7600X3D and thought I would wait for that, but now if the leaks and speculations are true, I’m just gonna get 9000X3D with my ROG STRIX X870E-E
i remember when a new cpu even on the same generation was like 33% faster than the previous model. good times
Hobestly, I am waiting Ultra 9 285K vs Ryzen 9550x3D and I will then decide on my next setup.
Bro, I advice you to skip intel this time (1 year or more) to see if instabilty occurs, 9800X3D will launch early 2025, I am not an AMD fan boy, I am stil with i7 6700K and I want to upgrade too however I will skip Intel this time.
Anyone saying 14 gen and 15 gen are the same or are going to have the same issues is completely wrong it is like saying Intel and AMD are the same there is a huge difference. The IGPU is as strong as a 3050 GPU. The A20 node is going to have a 20% performance per watt improvement over the previous generation so 15 gen could use 100 watts and outperform a 14-gen CPU that is using 300 watts. Increased cache sizes. the A20 node can approach its maximum core speed more effectively because it operates in intervals of 16 MHz instead of the traditional 100 MHz. This smaller interval allows it to fine-tune its performance and reach speeds that are closer to its maximum potential. It's going to use CAMM2 which will be a huge performance gain.
CAMM2 vs ddr5
ryzen 9 9950x (Capacity 64GB) (Speed 6000MT/s) (Bandwidth 64GB/s) (Latency 65-75ns) (Memory Perf 100%)
ryzen 9 9950x3d This is just what we know (Capacity 64GB) (Speed 6000MT/s) (Bandwidth ?) (Latency 65-75ns) (Memory Perf ?)
Intel i9-285KS (Capacity 192GB) (Speed 9600MT/s) (Bandwidth 154GB/s) (Latency 50-70ns) (Memory Perf 240%)
We like it more when we don't see ur face
Oh, Intel bounce back. It's a relief to everyone. We don't want monopoly. We want healthy competition. AMD should come up in GPU front as Nvidia is dragging its product to sky high price and operating wattage.
I'm about to upgrade in September but I'm thinking about getting 7950x3d i know the problems it comes with but I'm mainly going to be using it for vr and blender. 😅i know i might need to use processor lasso might wait for 9950x3d hopefully has a uplift i still have a feeling amd mainly focused on x3d this time
9950X will beat 285K once they fix windows bug
and update their Agesa to latest firmware and
also test 9950X again on latest X870 motherboard.
Which aren't out yet so this ain't 9950X's max performance.
But when both CPU's are tested on Linux 9950X is just ahead.
So 9950X is probably 3-5% faster then Core Ultra 285K there
might be a 295K coming with more physical cores & less e cores.
If this is happening we can also expect from AMD a 9960X,
and 9960X will be on AM5 while the other two SKU's on Threadripper.
this is kind of wishful thinking: windows bug also affects intel cpu's, agesa updates only brings small percentage (decimal) advance on performance if any until now, the X870 chipset doesn't bring anything vs X670e in terms of performance - so what else is there?
Where does it say that it also affects Intel CPUs?@@barbacot01
@@barbacot01 Wishful thinking did you miss the Agesa update fix the double digit performance increase and that is without the X870 motherboards which will be more fine tuned. Another update is also coming to increase the sweet spot from 6000 MHz to 8000 MHz and this will increase performance again with lower latency.
X870 chipset isn't out there yet so saying that it doesn't bring anything vs X670E isn't even tested YET. When it's out and tested vs X670E you will see the huge difference this boards aren't gonna be expensive for demical performance we talking about a jump from 6000 MHz to 8000 MHz even higher but 8000 is the next sweetspot. Faster ram frequency does impact performance by a lot even in gaming clearly you have not done any research otherwise we wouldn't have this conversation.
Intel is in big trouble win 11 works smoothly on Ryzen but not great on Intel with their scheduler going crazy with those e-cores which btw doesn't have hyperthreading. AMD scheduler works smoothly and efficiently doing x2 the work with the shortest routes having more instructions per clock vs Intel. So only 10% of applications will use Intel's highest clockspeed to win from AMD but the other 90% of applications works faster/smoothly/efficiently without any errors as AMD doesn't have the e-core problem.
I live my life with 3ds max and I say that performance stat is ONE BIG STEAMING PILE OF BS. 13900k on the same level of performance with 9950x and 14900ks is basically on top of multicore performance chart, F off
JackedGamingTech
Not holding my breath after seeing the dismal difference between 7700x & 9700x. May just hold onto my 7800x3d..
The 3D isn’t even out yet lol
Since the stock prices have fallen dramatically I used the chance to buy lots of Intel stocks and I of course hope that Arrow Lake will be a massive hit.
I might even send my AM4 X370 mainboard (from 2017!) running a Ryzen 5800X3D CPU and a Geforce RTX 2080Ti to retirement and finally build a new rig with an Intel CPU and of course DDR5 RAM after using the old one for almost a decade.
I want Strix-Hailo chip.
If they ask 3k for laptop with it?
@@axl1002 I want it for a Small Build Desktop
@@michaelernst3731 Nah, it has the ram soldered on the mb and the chip prolly too.
@@axl1002 If they can sell MB's with 64 GB DDR5 6k ram with WiFi7 Bluetooth 5.4 and 4 Type C T-Bolt4 sockets for $800 id buy it.
@@michaelernst3731Strix is for mobile only. The only way you'll get it in a desktop form factor is in a mini-PC.
At least 30% IPC gain for Zen 5 😂
My 2nd Intel i9-13900k just broke yesterday just like first chip at 6 month mark...just like first chip, with all same symptoms.
In short: Ha! No thank you on Arrow Lake. Not touching it.
Interesting how far x86 have fallen compared to ARM, the M4 has a single core of approximately 3800 with snapdragon x nipping at it's heels - will be interesting to see what Apple presents next week. Too bad the GPU still sucks.
Very interested in 15. gen, im on 7700k and is struggling in Photoshop and other apps, new games.. Maybe this will be the upgrade I need
for gaming Amd x3d cpus will still beat new intel cpus , no need to wait , plus who knows what kind of problems new intel cpus brings , more crashing ????? i will not touch intel cpus for long time until they show its stable .
13th and 14th gen issues appered after a year , so you never know for while you have cpu issues . stay away from intel like its crona virus .
Why would I wait to buy something more expensive later that I don't need rather than buying what I need now for less, now? So I can have a framerate twice what my monitor can't display? Do I really need a computer that doubles as a space heater? Is there any benefit to an NPU? Does any commonly used software support it?
No benefits to an npu
Their just bullshiting you
baby boomer 😂
I will avoid Intel, my current setup is 6700K waiting for 9800X3D to upgrade soon.
God damn! Those are some seriously impressive numbers for a chip with fewer threads and 100W less power. Arrow Lake is going to be a beast.
Too bad they didn't re-introduce AVX-512.
It’s not 100w less truly. They still will hit 250w PL2
3450 single core in geekbench is really good
Is that rust on my CPU??
And why is it smoking??
- Intel CPU user
😂
Any news about the Shimada Peak Threadripper?
I'm pretty sure the 800 series board launched TODAY
or maybe it was just the announcement... at Gamescom ...but I THOUGHT I heard someone say it was the release date today 🤷♂
Do you guys believe in a september release for the 9800x3d?
Just read on Videocarz that they'll be announced on CES2025...
Hell nah
What about rx 8800 looks like great GPU for 499€
What's the wattage though, not a fan of the German electric prices while turning my PC into a space heater during summer 🤣
I have 2 questions for Redgamingtech or anyone else on their thoughts:
1. I'm looking to get a flow z13 2025 version with the strix halo, do you truly believe that the GPU will perform as good as an RTX 4060-4070 given all the bandwidth and other restraints?
2. Also, looking at a potential Asus Scar 18 (2025) with an RTX 5090; I'm already disappointed in the VRAM leaks for the mobile 5090 so I'm hoping for some good news on a Scar version with that 5090 and a Ryzen 9945HX3D (mobile X3D) or even an Intel Core Ultra 285HX ...
Still unsure what to go for ... I'm less trusting of Intel but its new architecture so it might not be unstable but also lost some trust in AMD and performance with Zen 5 chips. What do you think about the mobile high-end line of chips from Intel and AMD coming in 2025?
Another RGT video, another hyperbolic take that doesn't really match reality. The difference between the 14900KS and the 285K is underwhelming at best, and the difference between the 285K and the 9950X is a big fat nothingburger, and not even close to a "domination".
Let's also pretend for a minute that Intel fixed their fabrication and materials over the 13th and 14th gen and that planned obsolescence isn't a thing.
on paper looks good, it is doing that at 100W less and without SMT only hope that it does not degrade
raptor lake still showing hyper threading is no longer needed
I really wish AMD didn't chase the lower power B.S with 9000 series. They should have kept the power levels the same and boosted performance that much more.
Dayum i am so bored of my 6700k
“Multi-Fred” “free-thousan”
Looking to upgrade from my 8600k/1080ti. But I prefer a more compact matx/mitx PC so AMD was my preferred option, even before the degradation drama.
But Arrow lake bringing some competition would be helpful for prices. We don't want AMD to become Nvidia for CPUs
i think intel will end up being the better upgrade. they're desperate now, so they'll have to under-price AMD. the 285K will probably come in at $600 vs the $650 9950X and i'm gonna guess $800 9950X3D ? Great for the consumer. Intel will also have CAMM 2 boards available so there's a bandwidth uplift there as well.
9800x3d should have higher 3Dv cache capacity or it'll be perform same as the 7800x3d
Wrong, 9800X3D should just have higher clockspeeds and it will also be unlocked for overclocking, which you can't on 7800X3D. Rumours claim 9800X3D will ruin 200-400 MHz higher on all cores on average + more if you OC, which is huge for gamers.
@@Dr.WhetFarts AMD CPUs don't scale with Overclocking because of IO architecture. Zen 5 is garbage and it sometimes performs slower than zen 4 lol
@@Dr.WhetFarts The 7800X3D when you heavily undervolt it, performs better than at stock and its a BEAST at stock. People say the 7800X3D is bad at productivity but its so above average at productivity while sipping practically no power, that argument is useless against it.
9800X3D, even moreso I will bet!
@@Decki777 The only mistake AMD made with Zen 5 was they focused ironically TOO much on power efficiency when Intel was backed into a corner instead of finishing Intel off.
Having said this, I want Intel to thrive again, more competition the better always. If Arrow Lake kicks ass, AMD is forced to make Zen 5 3D-Vcache processors and Zen 6 processors absolute bangers.
@@Dr.WhetFarts if you compare the delta between 7700x to 9700x in gaming we will probably see similar performance deltas across the board between 9800x3d and 7800X3D.
this is too embrassing for amd....they lost to a NonSMT, lower clock, 100w less than 9950x that litteral destroyed entire zen5 architecture not only math benchmark but with gaming benchmark are rumor its 29% more fps than 14900ks
If the difference between 7800x3d and 9800x3d is the same as between 7700x and 9700x then its just a lot of bollocks. There is no whatsoever indication the performance gain in gaming will be different then among the regular CPU´s. I just get a 7800x3d now and if 9800x3d is a lot better I can get it in 2 years for a lot less than now...anyone disagrees ??? Why ???
with arm gpu's coming in the near future. Does it still going to matter to have a 6 Ghz cpu. Lowering the electric bill should have always been main priority instead of more and more power. I am betting and waiting for ARM benchmarks from now on. To even know that these companies use more electricity then a small country should say it all
at 5:38 9950X score is 20550 and 9900X score is 19758. 16 core is only 4 percent faster than 12 core while having 33 percent more cores and running at a higher clock speed. something is wrong with the benchmark software. either it cant use all cores or it is written to favour intel.
Honestly I'm more excited to hear about the lower wattage parts... Be nice to see a 9500x3D and 8500 (8GB) running around 100 or less watts....and cost less than 500-600$....
Laughed at the title. I was going to upgrade, then Ryzen 9000 came out. An easy generation to skip.
At gamescon today ASUS is releasing their new AMD AM5 x870e/x870 motherboards! Fake Warranty included LOL
Lmao It's only for gamers
I hope we see motherboards like ASUS Apex or MSI Unify or Gigabyte Tachyon mobos on intel side.
Will we see thunderbolt 5 on some Z890 motherboards or is it just not possible if it is not supported in the chip like the presentation slide says? Would suck if we have to wait for the Z990. Also really hope that we will finally get 20 PCIE 5.0 lanes for both GPU and SSD at the same time on all Z890 at least.
What spoils it all for me is the unrealistic claims made prior to release.... both AMD and Intel. Don't they realise this only leads to disappointment and more lack of trust?.
Intel killing hyperthreading... just why? Hyperthreading gives 15%-30%+ gain for like 1% more power.
The hybrid core architecture basically replaced HT, having one big and one little core seems to work better for them than a big core with HT.
Man i just put 5700x3d in the cart😂, probably not worth upgrading my am4 to am5?
is it really an oopsie leak
so excited to go from 7700X to 9800X3d!
Might was well get a 7800x3d now I don’t think it will be much faster maybe 3%.
@@exception6651 need definite proof not assumptions
@@exception6651 no because zen5 only good thing is that require less tpd to run high frequency that is the key, 9800x3d can achive 5.5hhz with only 65w like 9700x and remember the 65w 7800x3d only achive 5.0 ghz because zen4 need more tdp like 105w 7700x to achive 5.4ghz so yeah 5.0ghz vs 5.5ghz at 65w
@@exception6651 Untrue because full overclocking support is rumored to come standard with the 9800X3D and 9950X3D.
As I said weeks ago R9K bus saturation. Leave it to the memory controller? mb
Beating amd...? 😅 Not bad for a company that's dead 😂 like Intel... I wonder if Intel was Average 😂😂
If Intel was dead you'd be sh*****g your pants over the high AMD CPU prices
@@777QuikSilver Is not me who said that Intel is Dead ... All f... RUclipsrs complain about Intel every single Video that looks like amd is the king ...but a closer look says in terms of performance both are the same level at the moment with slightly different scores up and down. But what you see is Intel is Dead Intel is not good buy Amd... Bla Bla Every single video. Let's see the future
both intel and AMD will get their asses kicked by arm processors
I probably will also not upgrade my 7800X3D.
Unless we REALLY get an uplift.
But I am not holding my die.
9800X3D is going to be 15-20% faster than 7800X3D, why? Because 9800X3D will be clocked 200-400 MHz higher across all cores on average and will be unlocked for OC as well. MLID says 9800X3D is going to be a huge jump for gamers, mostly because 7800X3D is clocked low and locked down. There's pretty much zero to gain in terms of PBO on the 7800X3D. Yes the 7800X3D is still a good gaming chip but 9800X3D looks to be way better, especially for people that likes to tweak and OC their hardware.
No idea why would you even consider upgrading every generation unless you have FU money and don’t care. If you already have 7800x3d, upgrade for the latest gen on am5 platform.
@@Dr.WhetFarts I believe it when I see it.
@@Dr.WhetFartsThat doesn't add up though 400 mhz is barely 8% above 5.05ghz. at best it will be 5% delta on average from my outlook.
Update I hope I am wrong.
@@aberkaeclock speeds still matter on many games over cache.
Imagine holding on an upgrade for multiple months to be horribly disappointed by zen 5 and having to wait 2 more months !
Price?😢😢😢
Woo stiff competition coming! glad to see Intel coming back with its new cores and TSMC process... only to have X3D swoop in and take the gaming crown. im wondering if this will come down to N3 (intel) vs N4 (AMD)...
The i9 14900K is only like 5% slower than the 7800X3D in gaming, the 9800X3D doesn't seem to be out of reach for the u9 285K.
Is Arrow Lake Stable though? Any oversupply of voltage like we had with Intel 13th and 14th Gen?
We'll see in 12 months. Nobody should buy Intel until they proofed stability.
With the lowering of the TDP, wattage and speed - it looks much more likely it will be okay.
I've been lucky with 13900kf, works wonderfully after a year - so far 😂
Still happy with my 5600x...
Zen5 works a lot better on Linux than on Windows but sadly it is not a good progress for gaming. I would expect better minima for the 9800X3D compared to the 7800X3D, the averages shouldn't be much better. The big problems with Zen5 are a huge throughput bottleneck and that not all types of instructions progressed, 1 even regressed a tiny bit (1-2%). Zen5 seems to be just the foundation for the next few generations. For some things it improved immediately - especially for tasks like datacenters and servers -, for other things it did not improve relevantly. I myself have a 3700X, I was hoping to upgrade, I might wait for Zen6 but of course it depends on the prices of Zen4 and Zen5. Deals are rare though in much of Europe.
Dude, get a 5700x3D. And wait for zen 6. Zen 5 is a total dud. If your prices is bad in Europe get it from Ali.
@@cajampa I can't do just 1 generation as an upgrade while paying the same price as it was during release, that makes no sense for both financial and principal reasons for me. I think about either Zen6 or a cheap Zen4/Zen5 CPU to get started on AM5 but first I need to upgrade my 5700 XT and AMD has been disappointing with RDNA3 and disappoints with RDNA4.
@@peterjansen4826 idk what your prices are like but here in Finland the 5700X3D has dropped from 300€ to 230€.
Zen 4 3d is 23% on average faster in gaming than zen 4 without it and it clocks lower. You guys are all full of crap.
@@kevinerbs2778 Feel free to back up your idea why the 9800X3D would be 23% faster with gaming than the 7800X3D while the 9700X is almost the same as the 7700X with gaming, on Windows anyway. From somebody who says that other people are full of crap I would expect some sound reasoning to back it up.
does this confirm the ARL finally beats the x3d in most games?
20 fps more , ok got it , only thing im interested is battlemage . the rest of new cpu are just crappy name.
shRedGamingTech hiding from the neighbors.
Should I wait for the 285K or go for 9950x? I don't care about gaming performance, i am building a video editing rig. What is your opinion ?
Wait for 285k to drop and the compare it with the 9950x
Choose what offers the best
285k will beat zen 5 easily at least until x3d chips come out. Even then we’ll see. Depends on which variant tbh.
Really nice to upgrade from my Ryzen 7 3700x
I'll be upgrading from my 5950x
God...what was AMD thinking Core Parking the Zen 5 non X3D flagship 9950X? Such a terrible decision.
Its tough to combine two ccd.s for good gaming performance. Hopefully am6 will have 10 cores on single ccd. Perhaps even 12. That with x3d
Only one that matters is the 9950x3d imo nothing else will match the 7800x3d or the 7950x3d.
You are clueless, dual ccd chips sucks for gaming and they are doing split 3D cache again meaning just a single CCD gets it, which is even worse. 9800X3D with increased clocks and capable of OC + other improvements will beat 7800X3D fairly easy. MLID says 9000X3D is going to be a big jump over 7000X3D. Expect 15-20% uplift on avg 7800X3D -> 9800X3D with the possibility of more, since 9800X3D can actually be overclocked this time.
9800X3D will be the gaming KING in my opinion, a fully OVERCLOCKABLE 7800X3D?! Easy Zen 5 flagship is the 9800X3D, unless the 9950X3D can overclock higher and has two 3D V-Cache CCD's.
@@Dr.WhetFartsmaybe he want both efficient and powerful chip for productivity and gaming who knows ?🤷♂️
@iLegionaire3755 hopefully the uplift is greater than i9 13900K to i9 14900k. Although some are predicting Zen5 % will be Zen5x3d @5%delta as well.
@aberkae naw he thinks they are already better then the 13900k and 14900k. Lol
I’m building a new gaming PC from scratch. Should I go with Intel 285K or AMD 9800X3D/9950X3D?
I’m planning on deliding the CPU and use a direct to die water block + OC and it is meant to go along the next top of the line Nvidia graphics card (also OC and water cooled RTX5090?) for 4K gaming.
What would you choose and why?
Sure all the components I’ve talked about haven’t released yet, but from the rumores…
Wait for reviews?
Why tho , will spending 2-3k dollar in a pc make you happy? Spend the money somewhere else, also Seek Jesus Christ , God bless you !
Arrow lake will probablt have higher overall clock speeds. 3d cache is specifc for games and not always useful compared to main clock a lot of times.
Yeah, wait for reviews. I always do.
For me I'm looking for a good gaming/production combo that Intel seemed to always win at.
9950x does seem to be intriguing, im waiting for Arrow Lake and 9950x3D reviews.
Delid CPU for 4k gaming 😉 No talk about RAM 😄 Yeah.... you have no idea what you are talking about. You just want a system to look cool. It does not matter which CPU you get with that goal. Or maybe take the one with prettiest motherboard?
Can’t wait for the 16 core with 3d cache on all cores.
Zen6?
That will be Zen 6, NOT Zen 5. Zen 5 9950X3D will have the same design as the 7950X3D, just with full overclocking support on both CCD's. I still believe the 9800X3D is the one to wait for.
Until 2025 and the release of NVIDIA Blackwell (RTX 5090) and AMD RDNA5 (9900 XTX?) the 7800X3D reigns supreme for most buyers, or a 14900KS if you can afford the proper EKG DELTA TEC 2 Custom Loop Water Cooling Solution.
No word on the Zen 5 X3D release date??? :(
Sometime next month.
announce next month, offical to buy is next year early
Buff Gaming Tech
dumb title, upgrade when the prices are right for you....
look at the longevity the 5800x3d has had....it will still be a good cpu for at least 2 more years.
Dumb reply
Why so triggered?
@@swagyolo8602 re-read it, but imagine I am very chill...then you will get it...wasn't upset in the slightest...stating facts.
@@nowherebrain I did as you said and you sound still triggered. Is the word 'Dominates' triggering you?
@@swagyolo8602 ok. :)
Can’t wait to upgrade from my 14700k to a 15700k!
i bought 7800x3d 3 months ago, ist fast, but i'm interested in Arrow lake because something new for Intel. even i don't trust them no more
Noooo. Where is the progress and muscles? I am not joking, you are an inspiration. Workout and tech. Amazing hobbies.
I upgraded my processor.. got a Ryzen 7500F for $122 and a Ryzen 7600 for $150 :) .. cant beat those prices.. i will be good until zen6 comes out.
my next cpu will be an AMD that much is for certain, its also a certainty that it will be an x3d chip, which one depend on the upcoming launch.
i wont even consider buying intel products any more not only can they not be trusted to produce a product but they are morally and politically unsupportable because of where they do R&D and manufacturing out of... i wont touch ANY product that comes from the occupation, and will happily boycott an business that operates within it.
my next smartphone might even have to be a chinese phone as both ARM and apple both have the same political and moral liability of operating in the occupation... and while most of you might not care about this MANY people do, and this is why ethical consumption in capitalism is a virtual impossibility.
t's fruitless boycotting companies that have operations or manufacturing in Israel, otherwise you might as well throw out every computer or electronic product in your possession
@@benpedi6645 throwing out products doesn't help in boycotting, not buying NEW products does.
is some cases you are left with no options like smart phone you CANNOT domestically buy a smartphone in north america that isn't connected to the occupation (sanctions and trade wars prevent this, so you would ergo have to but directly from the country) so i don't blame people for not boycotting that...
but for example boycotting mcdonalds, starbucks, coca-cola and intel is easy to boycott, because there is are more moral options, that is just as good, if not better, that don't come with the moral turpitude of supporting the occupation... i've been boycotting companies that do business there to varying degrees for almost 20 years... and for the last 10 months it now actually illegal under international law to assist the occupation, though the west never really cares about international laws, they just weaponize it against weaker nations.
@@YTsupportsZionaziGenocidewell AMD had their fair share of broken CPUs back in the day
What happened to that?
It's normal for a company to fuck things up
AMD is good because it has a competition
Or else it would also become Intel ?
That's how every company is
Competition is good for the customer
@@harsha6937 competition isn't actually what is good for the consumer, ethical companies, that care about their products and customers are, but since those 3 virtually don't exist under capitalism anymore they go for the 4th best thing...lol
competition doesn't get you a good product, nr an ethical company, it just get you more choices, (and MAYBE competitive pricing, which isn't for your beneifit either, its only for their benefit, and we all know that isn't a sure bet, especially in a duopoly), one of which MIGHT be a good product, and this speaking in general about all products (and services too) and in most products markets the choice is largely an illusion and many if not most companies in most product fields have entire umbrella of brands that are mostly just different in name only, or only as much is required by laws to be consider a unique product
the situation between intel and AMD as a functional duopoly of solely their own brands is fairly unique in terms of products markets. the product market in terms of number of companies for mega-yachts is larger than that of CPU makers, especially when you realize that ARM isn't on the level of desktop CISC CPUs to be their direct competition yet, and china (mainland) CPU are only intended for their domestic market, because they don't trust AMD and intel chips to not have backdoors, and they use them despite being 3-5 years behind technologically (in 2016 they were 8-10 years behind, so they've closed the gap tremendously in in a period of rapid performance gains), also now because of sanction they functionally cannot export them to the US or any country allied with the US.
also the market is now facing moral pressure too as 2 out of 3 major CPU makers (intel and ARM while not officially on the boycott list because of how little competition there is, are facing unofficial boycotting to a degree that is socially viable, as our world now revolves around having a computer and increasingly a smartphone.
@@YTsupportsZionaziGenocide capitalism isnt about being ass
its people that are ass
people are greedy so people will do anything to get that they want
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Not First...?
I can’t believe people are still excited to purchase Intel CPUs. Live and learn or live and burn. Market confidence is at an all time low for Intel for a reason. That reason being they release unstable product regularly.
Did they ever figure out how to bring the temps down on their fire-box CPUs? And the current problem with their CPUs literally oxidizing and thereby failing is ridiculous.
Whoever heard of such a thing?
AMD is living rent free in Intel’s head.
Intel is struggling so badly to keep up that they’re releasing substandard product to their consumers.
Go AMD and save yourself the impending frustration that an Intel CPU is likely to provide you.
But hey it’s your money; if you want to waste it, then you’re certainly free to do so.