Hey, that would make for some AMAZING RUclips content as Islamic and even pre Islamic Arabic history tends to be either buried away or outright hidden away. Despite it being an elephant in the room which everyone opts to ignore. The Islamic Golden Age should be FAR more well studied and made mainstream. It's their infighting that caused what is generally considered the downfall of those, well, an entire empire spanning Asia and Africa before shattering into tiny fragments joined ONLY by a common faith, which they were all fighting to literal death over MINOR disagreements in scripture... As the mainstream narrative says.... If anyone has more knowledge and study resources than I. Please make a channel dedicated to this. As a devout protestant non denominational Christian who is polytheistic and partial to Germanic Pagan cultural ideals beliefs and practices. PLEASE SOMEONE MAKE THIS HAPPEN.
Yeah, I think there's a tendency for it to get tucked away in its own little Islamic studies section, and we only pay attention when it becomes relevant to Europe again. So we go islamic history is the battle of tours, then mumble mumble I suppose stuff must have been happening, then the crusades, then mumble mumble there were some dynasties or something, then the fall of Constantinople. Not helped by the fact that battles are historical clickbait, and boring old trade and diffusion of ideas and whatever get neglected. Like it's normal. I was in Scandinavia a few years ago, and realised there was about a 500 year gap in my knowledge of Scandinavian history. I had the Viking age, then nothing at all until some vague memory of the union of Kalmar and Gustavus Adolphus and stuff.
I also love how it's historically framed as "raiding, looting, murder, rape and pillaging" by "barbarians/savages" who "overrun" the area when it's done *TO* U.K. and Western European cultures, but "journeys of exploration and discovery" where "civilized nations" "tamed the wilderness/uplifted the savages" when it's done *BY* U.K. and Western European cultures. 🤔
Read the post I just made. Vikings still exist to this day regarding the occupation. Who says people actually stopped Viking? It isn't even specific to any culture and that culture alone, despite being largely a Germanic thing. It is not ONLY Germanic by ANY means. And well, what we historically regard as the largest Viking cultures actually WERE THE literal MOST Western European cultures. Anglo-Saxons were well known for going off on Viking raids. When they FIRST arrived to the British Isles, they came AS Viking Raiders before going home and bringing entire armies.
Ok, since I realized RUclips's scripting may place what I posted somewhere in this thread where you may not ever see it, here is a re-post in your comments for the sake of, well yeah. "In North America we have Viking raiders. But they ride motorcycles. They are involved in a lot of theft. They are merchants of goods of all sorts, specializing in goods and wares not normally available in your standard retail shop. They transport things overland from one ocean to the other. And they war against other motorized Viking raider groups. Sometimes engaging in armed combat with government enlisted enforcement detachments. So I would say the Viking Age is still going strong. Like all things, it has adapted with the times. In recent pre-modern history, we have a figure we call Blackbeard. He was certainly a Viking in both European waters and waters off the Americas. Simply because they are not specifically armed with swords, axes and wearing suits of mail and iron/steel helmets does not mean what they are doing is not considered going Viking. Viking is a task or occupation after all. It is not even specific to one single culture and that culture alone, albeit it is in a large part mostly a Germanic thing. But possible Viking raiders went adventuring to the Americas during the VERY early medieval era. Who says they never returned? Or that people just stopped the act of Viking itself? I could go Viking tomorrow if I chose to. If I produce children, they may become Vikings as a career choice for all I know. And I would be proud."
977 CE Olaf: "Hey Bjorn, the oracle says that in a little over a thousand years this Welsh guy named Jimmy is going to be talking about us to a global audience." Bjorn (sharpening his sword): "Well, then, let's give him something interesting to talk about, shall we?"
Jimmy : "I'd love to make a video on that, let me know in the com- Me shouting at my phone: YES! For future reference please just assume that if you would love to make a video on a topic we would love to consume it. 💚
Sounds like good advice to me. I always learn something new and interesting from Jimmy's videos, and that's what I'm here for, so yeah. All his videos are made of win.
I really appreciate the concept of an era starting/ending at different times in different places for different peoples. It makes it more understandable and realistic I think.
"At some point, you have to organise the library." Exactly. Yes please Hiberno-Norse video. Didn't one of the Welsh princes have a Norwegian mother? Owain Gwynedd's father, I think?
@@TheWelshViking Funny how these histories always forget the more eastern north parts of the world. After all Russia had history with vikings, Finland has entire history of defending against them (and Novgorod linked to Vikings in part too) and so on. I mean there are like over 100 fort-hills in Finland alone all along the coast lines, where people would have escaped to defend against attackers. You also skipped the Swedes mostly as they were of same culture as those others who went viking. I quite think it is not enough to be so centralized about Vikings on that western side of the map. Sure those sources may be a bit of a language challenge, but if you intend to speak of 'vikings' per say - can't focus just there as the world has no navel aka belly button. ^^
I've had history and anthropology professors who would happily point out that most things can be argued +/- 10 years. Just because something happened in a certain year, does not mean that it was not planned/thought about/discussed for years before hand. Don't you just love it when people don't write things down! XD
I vote we use 789 as the start date because not only is it accurate, that year is super fun to say! Bonus also easy to remember for hypothetical schoolchildren being forced to memorize stuff for exams :)
Well, that's how French schoolkids remember the date of the Revolution. And somehow the myth continues well into adulthood that the Revolution is a semi-punctual event that happened in 1789, instead of a process of several years
*laughs in northeast (north american) archaeologist* where we can't even seem to decide HOW to define the time periods, let alone what dates to attach them to
Um I think the Viking age started January 28, 1960. You might say “oh no, that’s just the football team” but you said you wanted us to weigh in on this.
You seem much more relaxed and comfortable than you were when you first started your videos. You can start to see the light in your eyes now when you talk about things. Let that shine! It’s more than obvious that you have a love for this but we can start to see it in your face now. I noticed that when you were talking about the teeth. I think you’re going to be a damned fine youtuber!
But yea PLEASE make a video about the Hiberno population in Ireland, you have often mentioned it and i would be really stoked to watch a good long video from you about these folk! :D Edit :god idk if i spelled Hiberno the right way😳
If you ever get the chance the Viking museum in Dublin, Dublinia, is well worth a visit. It includes a reconstruction of a street in "Viking" Dublin, including sounds and smells.
I'd love a Hiberno-Norse video! And thank you for making it clear that Lindisfarne was not the first Viking raid! This is a great more nuanced take on the datelines of the period.
As an acedemic I can only back you up there: in science, there are no easy answers as soon as you go deeper into your topic.. As for your question:Years ago.during reenactment we invited a grammar school and their teachers to talk to us, ask question and learn some history in a fun way. One teacher came to me with his class and told them "here, we see a Viking (which was BS because i reenact a Saxon from about 780), a people who have long died out." After he said that i laughed loudly and asked the kids if they ever heard about the "Rus". When they said no, I asked them, if they had heard about "Rus-land" then. Of course they did. And then I told them the story about how Viking travelled down the Volga river and settled there and became Rus and told them: "Have the Rus died out? Certainly not. Therefore, there are still Vikings in the world. They do not raid any more, of course, but that does not make them a different people." (and then I told them about the Normandy and all the other places "Vikings" made their settlements). With this argument in mind: The Viking age has never ended for me. And lastly: Jimmy your are best when you do videos like this, when your passion for what you are doing really shows. So far, I enjoyed pretty much all of your videos ive seen (still have a lot to watch), but videos like this one are most fun. Excellent job! And Jimmy? Please become a teacher in some way. Humanity needs teachers like you! All the best.
789 is really easy to remember. Let's go with that... I go to Holy Island every year. I live in the highly Viking-centric city of York so it's only a hop and a skip up there. Love it. Has the best atmosphere.
I adore Lindesfarne and my youngest son is named Aidan. I also grew up going toast Cuthbert’s Church in my home town and went to the attached primary school. I now sing in the church choir there and live on a road named after St Aidan!
Yes! Holy Island is great! on my way back south from Edinburgh this year. Beautiful place, got to see it in the sun and then watch the storm clouds roll in, was awesome.
Dear Jimmy, unless I am very much mistaken, after reading a whole bunch of comments, I'd sum it up as: yes, Jimmy, please make more videos of historic, raiding, eating, sewing, Viking and other 'king' stuff, because most people here would eat them up! And that includes me! Thank you so much for the delight your videos give me every time I watch one! If I really need to relax while learning something, I either watch Bernadette Banner or you, so I was delighted to find you watch her too!
I would argue for the beginning of the viking age with the use of sails in scandinavia this should be between 600 and 650 and the end in aprox. 950 because then the behavioral pattern changes from viking to building outpost they formed a massive trade network at this time and we're more concerned with protecting this and their "protocolonies"
Hey Jamie here. So I just like to say how much I appreciate what you do with all the hard work you put into your videos. I love the history, your humor, and language lessons. a big thank you and I hope you keep it up! Sending love, good will and success your way from the east coast of Florida!
Another thumb up for the hiberno norse video idea! There isn't anywhere near enough online to watch about it and even less mention of it in mainstream history.
Nope, that's it. Viking Age ended 1209. Done. I really enjoyed this bite sized history lesson. As always, I'm forever down for Ireland and any mashups that make your Welsh heart happy. The trade with Medieval Islam you mentioned also sounds wickedly interesting
I think in many cases the use of the words "Viking" or "Viking" age are used as umbrella terms for any incidents involving Nordic peoples in the pre-Renaissance times, because it's easier for people who are only interested enough in the aesthetics to clump things together like that, no matter how inaccurate that ends up being. Up to and including referring to people who are probably like farmers or beekeepers as Vikings, especially when they are your maybe-ancesters XD
Lindisfarne is also typically used as the definition for the start of the viking age here in Denmark, but usually it's considered a very gradual transition from late iron age to the viking age.
Sooooo....if me and my Danish and Norwegian friends meet up, cobble together a few longships and do a few raids here and there....🤨🤔😉😆😂 Love the videos....on to the next one! 🍻⚔️
I couldn’t even begin to figure out when it started or ended. To many variables and the whole question of whether all the raids we recorded for history. You really hit the nail on the head when you said that history doesn’t fit well in any box. Also adding again my yes!! Make any videos on any subject that amuses you. I’m sure that we will enjoy them!!
I must admit, I have absolutely no idea when we should set the beginning and end of the viking age... But that's why I'm here! I'm learning so much from you and am thrilled to learn more, so please, give us all the videos you'd like to make!
Since at any given time, there may or may not be Scandinavian pirates looting at any given location, I would suggest that the Viking Age never "ended", but asymptotically tapered off ;)
I would absolutely love a Hiberno Norse video! That's what I want to base my reenactment character on and I have absolutely no idea how to do the research for that. Also visited Lindisfarne for the first time earlier this year and loved every second of it!
Thank you for starting with 789 and the Isle of Portland (my home) - the islanders get very annoyed when (almost always) that raid is forgotten, to be replaced by the 793 Lindisfarne raid! No idea when it ended, I am afraid.
Brilliant! You definitely hear a lot of different years. Just love the faces Jimmy makes and you can see the passion! Any video you want to make will be an amazing video!
I think the Swedish viking age ends in 1050ish when the baptised king starts actually enforcing the Christian rules but I mean... Ansgar was a thing in the 900s
We had Blot-Sweyn who as far as I remember was the last pagan kin in Svitjod (south eastern part of modern Sweden) died about the burning of the pagan temple at Uppsala about 1080. But as much as Id like to use the pre christian faith as sort of beginning and end it doesnt helpt much. The first mention of Odin on an artefact is about 100 and as far as I remember there were still open pagas around my parts in Hälsingland in the 1200s. But that gives us an 1100 year period in which there was allot happening.
@@MattiasGrozny yeah! I think the mention and prevalence of norse paganism does stretch into the 1200s but from what I gather it was mostly recorded as a strange curiosity (and things always take longer to spread to the north, even in modern times) so the cutoff for the start of the cultural shift is the seat of government taking a pretty hard stance
@@MattiasGrozny Pagan god Taara (Thor morphed into Estonian paganism) was worshipped in Estonia and Finland up untill at least late 1700's! (Possibly even all the way in to mid 1800's but I can't find that source anymore).
I have always argued that the viking age ended in Ireland around the year 1014, when the Battle of Clontarf ended the norse dominance. Sure, at that period the norsemen were probably not raiding as much as before, but after that event, there's no record of future Norse raids, and Dublin's supremacy seems to collapse for sure.
As always, I truly enjoyed your video. Watching you talk about a subject you enjoy so much is great fun. Please continue to do so, and talk to us about anything you enjoy, because chances are we too will enjoy it. Thank you for all your hard work.
Here in Norway I've been taught two dates as the end of the Viking Age. The first being 29th of July 1030 , the battle of Stiklestad -which really sements Norway as a Christian nation, and 13th of October 1066, the battle of Hastings.
Well, it's still easier to define than the Renaissance. I.e. the great 'rebirth' of knowledge and culture after the 'Dark Ages' (that were never really very dark to begin with) and started at some point between the late 13th and late 15th century in Italy and then supposedly started popping up in random spots around Europe over the following few centuries up until the 17th. With the defining characteristics of basically 'people get better at painting and writing and stuff' (as if they hadn't been doing that throughout the medieval period anyway).
One of the features of the Renaissance that somehow stuck in the mind of 11-yo me was perspective. I mentally defined the Renaissance to myself for eons as the transition between no perspective in art to nice straight lines converging into a single point x)
Italian here, I distinctly remember that in elementary school when we got to study the Renaissance our teacher made us fill a whole page just with the word "renaissance" crossing it, as to mark in our minds a sort of extremely precise "before" and "after". It already seemed a bit extreme to me, but of course when you need only a basic knowledge this is a way to help memorize dates and such.
Aaand Reformation (a bit of a feature of Renaissance, too) is equally Not As Simple As You Were Led to Believe! :-) P.S. I'm Czech and we're the main muddying element in the Reformation waters, what with the Hussite Wars and subsequent Utraquists and Unity of Brethern; so I was actually never given a date as "THE start of the Reformation" in my education. I recently saw an English-language thing stating with confidence that "the Reformation started in 1517 when Martin Luther blah blah blah" and went "Oh, right. That thing." :D
@@beth12svist ah so you're the reason the reformation text is so muddy, I'm still not sure how it all started. I'm joking. It's so interesting to see how and when things happened in other countries and how other countries interpretate things
I literally just suggested that and started searching the comments and found yours! However if people want something the same gravitas as "The Viking Age" I also suggest as an alternative "The Age of the Longship".
Well reasoned argument for 789 to 1209 as a timeline for Viking shenanigans in the British Isles. Have to agree with you. :) Thanks for the 'learn something new everyday' experience. Didn't know about the 1209 adventure. As for more videos on fascinating subjects made by you, duh... of course! Seriously, you're brilliant, and all your content is great. Keep up with the sexy accurate narrative.
I just like hearing you say the word, “Ireland”. There’s almost a third syllable! 😊❤️😊 PS The Viking Age ended when you say it ended. You’re the one getting a PHD in the subject whereas I know nothing about it! 😜🙃😊
Is there any connection between Germanic/Continental Celts going off to be mercenaries in the Mediterranean and the general idea of "goin'-a-pillaging"?
I really loved this video Jimmy! I always wondered about this and it's amazing to have someone go through it in a way that makes sense. I'd also love to know more about the Vikings in Ireland that you mentioned you might do a video about. It seems like that might be where norse and celtic sort of aesthetics cross over? Please tell us more! :D
Somewhere in one of James Burke's programs, and I wish I could find it, is a bit of him in a classroom looking at one of those "this, then that, then that, then that" linear plots of How History Went, and basically saying "this is entirely rubbish, that's not how history WORKS." Everything depends on everything else so much that all lines get blurry. Another excellent video, thank you sir!
Another beautiful video, Jimmy. Always a wonderful day when you post and I know you're going to smash that 50,000 right to 1 million before you know it. Secondly, if you'd like, we can gather up some pirates together and go raiding again, that way the Viking Era never ended! At least enjoy sailing in those wonderful ships.
Also would like to join the raiding party, if only to sail in one of those ships. Always wondered how they handle, and how they feel in the water. One thing to see it in dry dock, but the beauty of the ship can only be known if you take her out. So yeah, count me in.
Quite a few Danish academic historians would argue, that the term "the Viking age" is pretty useless because going viking was such a small part of early medieval Scandinavian society, and it is misleading to let it be the defining characteristic. I can kind of follow that argument - though of course in layman's terms it's quite handy, because setting "time stamps" on the early medieval period becomes even fuzzier than for the Viking age. (Apart from anything we never had a Roman occupation in Scandinavia, which is for most part of Europe what helps define the beginning of the middle age.) So yes, history is messy! And that's just one of the lovely things about it.
Went to Durham University and worked at the Castle and the Palace Green Library. Got to go to Lindisfarne with some friends near the end of my PhD. Was fun.
mostly, i know of the Danelaw area because of the philology courses that were part of my english BA, having more context like this is really insightful
Sweet Jimmy, please, if you would like to make a video, go for it, I fangirl history, and your videos each time are a lovely dive into the messy, dirty, smelly past for me. Thank You so much for all you do. Grateful that you keep this nerd's fancies tickled as far as my heritage. I better get back to work, my slave driver calls in 3 minutes. Shh! I'm not supposed to be fangirling at work!
Thank you for demonstrating the unfortunate academic fact that, it is next to impossible to put almost anything into an exact time frame, because life is messy and complicated. So true of so many things! xD
Great timing of this video, we're covering a module with a lot of similar content to this video in my archaeology course, I'll certainly share this video with my mates to add to the discussion
in sweden, we consider 1050 the end of the viking age, as that was the year the swedish king Olof Skötkonung christianized (well, he was king of an area that later would become sweden, sweden didnt quite exist yet). Marking the end of unfeathered raiding, piracy and jolly good times.
I feel like that's a bit inaccurate... Even after Scandinavia was christianized they were looting, plundering, setting fire to churches, and killing christians in the name of their faith. We just started calling them crusades was all.
Please make the video about the combined north people’s cultural cross over and also one on the Islamic trade routes and impacts etc. I know I would find these highly informative. This video was so good, such great content.
I studied history at uni for about seven and half semesters (before dropping out) and if there's one thing I learned it's that there is no clear division between eras/epochs.
A little late to the party, but the last account I can find is a raid on Canterbury by Thorkell the Tall in 1011, failing to ransom the archbishop because his men killed the archbishop in 1012. So maybe 1012 might be a decent time point before King Cnut’s rise to power? Love your videos. Glad you’re sharing your knowledge. Keep up the awesome work!
I'm late to this one but yes to a Hiberno-Norse video please! I don't think I had a proper grasp of Viking/Norse interaction with Ireland until I went to some exhibitions on the anniversary of the Battle of Clontarf. It's so much more than looting monasteries!
Great video... but you make a grave oversight! Most viking attacks actually happened in Scandinavia (yes shock and horror we raided ourselves). So, if you define the Viking age, as the period in which raids were happening, then It starts waaay back in the dark ages, and stops when king Valdemar puts an end to the Wendish pirates!! So from a Danish perspective, its starts around 500 (beginning with the first archeologically proven boats) and it ends with the burning of Svantevit! But then the Norwegian would disagree with this! As you say yourself, History is messy... most Scandinavian historians just accepts Lindisfarne and the battle of Hastings as convenient markers, only useful for making chapters in history books.
If we're going to do that then we also have to include the Germanic tribes pre-500 also carrying out local raids, but I'll stick to using Old Norse cultural mores as well to allow at least a few centuries of human history to be skipped! XD
Good luck getting to 50k followers! I'll leave a saucer of milk out to appease the algorithm (I'm working under the assumption that it's one of the Fair Folk because logic like the algorithm's logic just doesn't occur in the human world).
Would like to make an addition: Cnut’s father, and my ancestor (😁) Sweyn (Svend) Forkbeard was the one who became king of England before his son - he did go viking (even raided in Denmark it self, when his father Harald Bluetooth was king of Denmark)
Please do a Hiberno Norse video. If you don't mind me asking an unrelated question. I'm looking for some info on Welsh history/myths and I'm hoping you might be able to steer me in the right direction. Specifically I'm trying to research the folk wrestling traditions of Britain and Ireland, and I can find next to nothing about medieval or early modern Welsh wrestling. I've seen references that mention Welshmen training in wrestling, but haven't been able to find any detailed accounts. Do you know of old stories or historical accounts which have scenes of two men wrestling? For example in Ireland we have tales of Fionn mac Cumhaill wrestling giants or Cú Chulainn wrestling his son Connla. Are there similar stories in Wales? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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I will like and amplify literally any video that acknowledges the extensive trade networks of the Medieval Islamic world. THANK YOU!!!
Hey, that would make for some AMAZING RUclips content as Islamic and even pre Islamic Arabic history tends to be either buried away or outright hidden away. Despite it being an elephant in the room which everyone opts to ignore. The Islamic Golden Age should be FAR more well studied and made mainstream. It's their infighting that caused what is generally considered the downfall of those, well, an entire empire spanning Asia and Africa before shattering into tiny fragments joined ONLY by a common faith, which they were all fighting to literal death over MINOR disagreements in scripture... As the mainstream narrative says.... If anyone has more knowledge and study resources than I. Please make a channel dedicated to this. As a devout protestant non denominational Christian who is polytheistic and partial to Germanic Pagan cultural ideals beliefs and practices. PLEASE SOMEONE MAKE THIS HAPPEN.
Yeah, I think there's a tendency for it to get tucked away in its own little Islamic studies section, and we only pay attention when it becomes relevant to Europe again.
So we go islamic history is the battle of tours, then mumble mumble I suppose stuff must have been happening, then the crusades, then mumble mumble there were some dynasties or something, then the fall of Constantinople.
Not helped by the fact that battles are historical clickbait, and boring old trade and diffusion of ideas and whatever get neglected.
Like it's normal. I was in Scandinavia a few years ago, and realised there was about a 500 year gap in my knowledge of Scandinavian history. I had the Viking age, then nothing at all until some vague memory of the union of Kalmar and Gustavus Adolphus and stuff.
I also love how it's historically framed as "raiding, looting, murder, rape and pillaging" by "barbarians/savages" who "overrun" the area when it's done *TO* U.K. and Western European cultures, but "journeys of exploration and discovery" where "civilized nations" "tamed the wilderness/uplifted the savages" when it's done *BY* U.K. and Western European cultures. 🤔
Read the post I just made. Vikings still exist to this day regarding the occupation. Who says people actually stopped Viking? It isn't even specific to any culture and that culture alone, despite being largely a Germanic thing. It is not ONLY Germanic by ANY means. And well, what we historically regard as the largest Viking cultures actually WERE THE literal MOST Western European cultures. Anglo-Saxons were well known for going off on Viking raids. When they FIRST arrived to the British Isles, they came AS Viking Raiders before going home and bringing entire armies.
Ok, since I realized RUclips's scripting may place what I posted somewhere in this thread where you may not ever see it, here is a re-post in your comments for the sake of, well yeah. "In North America we have Viking raiders. But they ride motorcycles. They are involved in a lot of theft. They are merchants of goods of all sorts, specializing in goods and wares not normally available in your standard retail shop. They transport things overland from one ocean to the other. And they war against other motorized Viking raider groups. Sometimes engaging in armed combat with government enlisted enforcement detachments. So I would say the Viking Age is still going strong. Like all things, it has adapted with the times. In recent pre-modern history, we have a figure we call Blackbeard. He was certainly a Viking in both European waters and waters off the Americas. Simply because they are not specifically armed with swords, axes and wearing suits of mail and iron/steel helmets does not mean what they are doing is not considered going Viking. Viking is a task or occupation after all. It is not even specific to one single culture and that culture alone, albeit it is in a large part mostly a Germanic thing. But possible Viking raiders went adventuring to the Americas during the VERY early medieval era. Who says they never returned? Or that people just stopped the act of Viking itself? I could go Viking tomorrow if I chose to. If I produce children, they may become Vikings as a career choice for all I know. And I would be proud."
louder for the people in the back
977 CE
Olaf: "Hey Bjorn, the oracle says that in a little over a thousand years this Welsh guy named Jimmy is going to be talking about us to a global audience."
Bjorn (sharpening his sword): "Well, then, let's give him something interesting to talk about, shall we?"
Best response ever lol
@@joshuabarnhill1265 Quite good, and possibly true...
Jimmy : "I'd love to make a video on that, let me know in the com-
Me shouting at my phone: YES!
For future reference please just assume that if you would love to make a video on a topic we would love to consume it.
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YES! THIS! Just assume :D We love your videos Jimmy!
Same!
Sounds like good advice to me. I always learn something new and interesting from Jimmy's videos, and that's what I'm here for, so yeah. All his videos are made of win.
Did the same... Yes! Yes please!
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I really appreciate the concept of an era starting/ending at different times in different places for different peoples. It makes it more understandable and realistic I think.
"At some point, you have to organise the library." Exactly.
Yes please Hiberno-Norse video. Didn't one of the Welsh princes have a Norwegian mother? Owain Gwynedd's father, I think?
Yes!!
@@TheWelshViking Funny how these histories always forget the more eastern north parts of the world. After all Russia had history with vikings, Finland has entire history of defending against them (and Novgorod linked to Vikings in part too) and so on. I mean there are like over 100 fort-hills in Finland alone all along the coast lines, where people would have escaped to defend against attackers. You also skipped the Swedes mostly as they were of same culture as those others who went viking. I quite think it is not enough to be so centralized about Vikings on that western side of the map. Sure those sources may be a bit of a language challenge, but if you intend to speak of 'vikings' per say - can't focus just there as the world has no navel aka belly button. ^^
I've had history and anthropology professors who would happily point out that most things can be argued +/- 10 years. Just because something happened in a certain year, does not mean that it was not planned/thought about/discussed for years before hand. Don't you just love it when people don't write things down! XD
I vote we use 789 as the start date because not only is it accurate, that year is super fun to say! Bonus also easy to remember for hypothetical schoolchildren being forced to memorize stuff for exams :)
It could become the third Genuine Date, along with 55BC and 1066.
And there's a joke to go along with! (A groaner). Why was six afraid of seven?
Because seven eight nine.....
Well, that's how French schoolkids remember the date of the Revolution. And somehow the myth continues well into adulthood that the Revolution is a semi-punctual event that happened in 1789, instead of a process of several years
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Archaeological/ historical time periods: It Depends. Boy does the hit home.
Also, I am all about videos about cross cultural contact, so yes please!
*laughs in northeast (north american) archaeologist* where we can't even seem to decide HOW to define the time periods, let alone what dates to attach them to
"It depends" is also the answer to pretty much any question you ask a lawyer.
Um I think the Viking age started January 28, 1960. You might say “oh no, that’s just the football team” but you said you wanted us to weigh in on this.
Get out
Seconded
Har, har, har! 😋😅
You seem much more relaxed and comfortable than you were when you first started your videos. You can start to see the light in your eyes now when you talk about things. Let that shine! It’s more than obvious that you have a love for this but we can start to see it in your face now. I noticed that when you were talking about the teeth. I think you’re going to be a damned fine youtuber!
If you do a video on hiberno-norse we'll like it.
Though, some of us are still waiting for the bead episode.
The Hiberno-norse had some sexy beads.
Yeah, I don't have a boat in this regatta, but I enjoy hearing about messy history. Do continue.
But yea PLEASE make a video about the Hiberno population in Ireland, you have often mentioned it and i would be really stoked to watch a good long video from you about these folk! :D
Edit :god idk if i spelled Hiberno the right way😳
If you ever get the chance the Viking museum in Dublin, Dublinia, is well worth a visit. It includes a reconstruction of a street in "Viking" Dublin, including sounds and smells.
@@expatpiskie i would love to visit!
You did spell it correctly !
I'd love a Hiberno-Norse video! And thank you for making it clear that Lindisfarne was not the first Viking raid! This is a great more nuanced take on the datelines of the period.
As an acedemic I can only back you up there: in science, there are no easy answers as soon as you go deeper into your topic..
As for your question:Years ago.during reenactment we invited a grammar school and their teachers to talk to us, ask question and learn some history in a fun way. One teacher came to me with his class and told them "here, we see a Viking (which was BS because i reenact a Saxon from about 780), a people who have long died out." After he said that i laughed loudly and asked the kids if they ever heard about the "Rus". When they said no, I asked them, if they had heard about "Rus-land" then. Of course they did. And then I told them the story about how Viking travelled down the Volga river and settled there and became Rus and told them: "Have the Rus died out? Certainly not. Therefore, there are still Vikings in the world. They do not raid any more, of course, but that does not make them a different people." (and then I told them about the Normandy and all the other places "Vikings" made their settlements). With this argument in mind: The Viking age has never ended for me.
And lastly: Jimmy your are best when you do videos like this, when your passion for what you are doing really shows. So far, I enjoyed pretty much all of your videos ive seen (still have a lot to watch), but videos like this one are most fun. Excellent job! And Jimmy? Please become a teacher in some way. Humanity needs teachers like you!
All the best.
He would definitely make a great history prof, far better than any I had, that is for sure, lol
Here, here!!
YES. That would be a very interesting on how the different cultures lived together.
789 is really easy to remember. Let's go with that... I go to Holy Island every year. I live in the highly Viking-centric city of York so it's only a hop and a skip up there. Love it. Has the best atmosphere.
Speaking of screenplays, can we get a video on Harald Hardrada? I remember him having a pretty badass life story.
I adore Lindesfarne and my youngest son is named Aidan. I also grew up going toast Cuthbert’s Church in my home town and went to the attached primary school. I now sing in the church choir there and live on a road named after St Aidan!
Yes! Holy Island is great! on my way back south from Edinburgh this year. Beautiful place, got to see it in the sun and then watch the storm clouds roll in, was awesome.
Dear Jimmy, unless I am very much mistaken, after reading a whole bunch of comments, I'd sum it up as: yes, Jimmy, please make more videos of historic, raiding, eating, sewing, Viking and other 'king' stuff, because most people here would eat them up! And that includes me! Thank you so much for the delight your videos give me every time I watch one! If I really need to relax while learning something, I either watch Bernadette Banner or you, so I was delighted to find you watch her too!
I would argue for the beginning of the viking age with the use of sails in scandinavia this should be between 600 and 650 and the end in aprox. 950 because then the behavioral pattern changes from viking to building outpost they formed a massive trade network at this time and we're more concerned with protecting this and their "protocolonies"
I honestly just look forward to your videos all the time, please keep up the work for the sake of people like me🙂
Hey Jamie here. So I just like to say how much I appreciate what you do with all the hard work you put into your videos. I love the history, your humor, and language lessons. a big thank you and I hope you keep it up! Sending love, good will and success your way from the east coast of Florida!
Another thumb up for the hiberno norse video idea! There isn't anywhere near enough online to watch about it and even less mention of it in mainstream history.
Nope, that's it. Viking Age ended 1209. Done.
I really enjoyed this bite sized history lesson. As always, I'm forever down for Ireland and any mashups that make your Welsh heart happy. The trade with Medieval Islam you mentioned also sounds wickedly interesting
It's such a serious, facts-based video, and yet I keep seeing Viking Jimmy in my mind.
Editing Jimmy, we’d love you to hang around longer each time! I read fast but I’m still not quick enough to read you!
Also. Loved it. Yes.
I think in many cases the use of the words "Viking" or "Viking" age are used as umbrella terms for any incidents involving Nordic peoples in the pre-Renaissance times, because it's easier for people who are only interested enough in the aesthetics to clump things together like that, no matter how inaccurate that ends up being. Up to and including referring to people who are probably like farmers or beekeepers as Vikings, especially when they are your maybe-ancesters XD
I would *love* a video on the hiberno-norse. Any sort of Manx/hebredian-norse culture and history would also be fascinating
Yes please, that sounds fab :)
First video of yours that I've ever seen, just subscribed. I can't wait to see what's next!! From New Hampshire, in the US.
Aw shucks! Thanks, Robjn!
I cannot describe how thoroughly excited I would be if you did a video on Hiberno-Norse culture
Thank u for the knowledge! 💛
Lindisfarne is also typically used as the definition for the start of the viking age here in Denmark, but usually it's considered a very gradual transition from late iron age to the viking age.
A big yes please for a video on hiberno-Norse culture!! Always enjoy your videos
I’ve been to Holy Island and Iona. Both are beautiful places
Sooooo....if me and my Danish and Norwegian friends meet up, cobble together a few longships and do a few raids here and there....🤨🤔😉😆😂
Love the videos....on to the next one! 🍻⚔️
In Canada we have a viking settlement that was just dated to 1021 Cymru am Byth!
I couldn’t even begin to figure out when it started or ended. To many variables and the whole question of whether all the raids we recorded for history. You really hit the nail on the head when you said that history doesn’t fit well in any box.
Also adding again my yes!! Make any videos on any subject that amuses you. I’m sure that we will enjoy them!!
I must admit, I have absolutely no idea when we should set the beginning and end of the viking age... But that's why I'm here! I'm learning so much from you and am thrilled to learn more, so please, give us all the videos you'd like to make!
You've done so well in just a year, congratulations!
Since at any given time, there may or may not be Scandinavian pirates looting at any given location, I would suggest that the Viking Age never "ended", but asymptotically tapered off ;)
Thepiratebay was founded by Swedes, so Scandinavian piracy is most certainly alive and well in this millenium. Viking age still going strong y'all!
"The King sends his magistrates to collect taxes from them."
Me (grinning) "Wonder how that worked out..." :-)
People hating taxes since antiquity is so relatable
very good point you make!!
Solution: If you set aside enough money for a longboat, the Viking age end date can be changed to "Present"
I would absolutely love a Hiberno Norse video! That's what I want to base my reenactment character on and I have absolutely no idea how to do the research for that.
Also visited Lindisfarne for the first time earlier this year and loved every second of it!
Thank you for starting with 789 and the Isle of Portland (my home) - the islanders get very annoyed when (almost always) that raid is forgotten, to be replaced by the 793 Lindisfarne raid! No idea when it ended, I am afraid.
Brilliant! You definitely hear a lot of different years. Just love the faces Jimmy makes and you can see the passion! Any video you want to make will be an amazing video!
I think the Swedish viking age ends in 1050ish when the baptised king starts actually enforcing the Christian rules
but I mean... Ansgar was a thing in the 900s
We had Blot-Sweyn who as far as I remember was the last pagan kin in Svitjod (south eastern part of modern Sweden) died about the burning of the pagan temple at Uppsala about 1080. But as much as Id like to use the pre christian faith as sort of beginning and end it doesnt helpt much. The first mention of Odin on an artefact is about 100 and as far as I remember there were still open pagas around my parts in Hälsingland in the 1200s. But that gives us an 1100 year period in which there was allot happening.
@@MattiasGrozny yeah! I think the mention and prevalence of norse paganism does stretch into the 1200s but from what I gather it was mostly recorded as a strange curiosity (and things always take longer to spread to the north, even in modern times) so the cutoff for the start of the cultural shift is the seat of government taking a pretty hard stance
@@MattiasGrozny Pagan god Taara (Thor morphed into Estonian paganism) was worshipped in Estonia and Finland up untill at least late 1700's! (Possibly even all the way in to mid 1800's but I can't find that source anymore).
I have always argued that the viking age ended in Ireland around the year 1014, when the Battle of Clontarf ended the norse dominance. Sure, at that period the norsemen were probably not raiding as much as before, but after that event, there's no record of future Norse raids, and Dublin's supremacy seems to collapse for sure.
As always, I truly enjoyed your video. Watching you talk about a subject you enjoy so much is great fun. Please continue to do so, and talk to us about anything you enjoy, because chances are we too will enjoy it. Thank you for all your hard work.
Thank you for your kind words :) I do try, so it's good to know it's enjoyable for you still!
@@TheWelshViking always.
Hiberno-norse madness= yes please! art and awesomeness!
It Never ended,someone help me with this boat!
Another wonderful video. It is like sitting around with friends, drinking some tea, and discussing history and culture.
Yes, please, a video on Hiberno-Norse culture, please, pretty pretty please!
1) quickly becoming my favorite channel
2) this is such a fun way to learn history, thank you
Here in Norway I've been taught two dates as the end of the Viking Age. The first being 29th of July 1030 , the battle of Stiklestad -which really sements Norway as a Christian nation, and 13th of October 1066, the battle of Hastings.
It's great to hear you discussing somehow with yourself about interesting topics.
I *loved* Lindisfarne! I had the chance to go there briefly in the 1980’s; the bird sanctuary is wonderful, too.
Bernadette Banner brought me here, and can I just say this was an AWESOME first video to watch! oh and PLEASE do a Hiberno-Norse video!
Would love to see a video on Hiberno-Norse culture!
You had me at Video about Hiberno-Norse culture.
Well, it's still easier to define than the Renaissance. I.e. the great 'rebirth' of knowledge and culture after the 'Dark Ages' (that were never really very dark to begin with) and started at some point between the late 13th and late 15th century in Italy and then supposedly started popping up in random spots around Europe over the following few centuries up until the 17th. With the defining characteristics of basically 'people get better at painting and writing and stuff' (as if they hadn't been doing that throughout the medieval period anyway).
One of the features of the Renaissance that somehow stuck in the mind of 11-yo me was perspective. I mentally defined the Renaissance to myself for eons as the transition between no perspective in art to nice straight lines converging into a single point x)
It was dark when they lost their candles 😂 I'm sorry I'll see myself out
Italian here, I distinctly remember that in elementary school when we got to study the Renaissance our teacher made us fill a whole page just with the word "renaissance" crossing it, as to mark in our minds a sort of extremely precise "before" and "after". It already seemed a bit extreme to me, but of course when you need only a basic knowledge this is a way to help memorize dates and such.
Aaand Reformation (a bit of a feature of Renaissance, too) is equally Not As Simple As You Were Led to Believe! :-)
P.S. I'm Czech and we're the main muddying element in the Reformation waters, what with the Hussite Wars and subsequent Utraquists and Unity of Brethern; so I was actually never given a date as "THE start of the Reformation" in my education. I recently saw an English-language thing stating with confidence that "the Reformation started in 1517 when Martin Luther blah blah blah" and went "Oh, right. That thing." :D
@@beth12svist ah so you're the reason the reformation text is so muddy, I'm still not sure how it all started. I'm joking. It's so interesting to see how and when things happened in other countries and how other countries interpretate things
Just found your channel. This so fun! Love your content. This is exactly what I want from RUclips 💖
It seems to me that maybe “the Viking Age” is the wrong name of it. Maybe it would be better to call the period “the Norse Expansion” or something.
I literally just suggested that and started searching the comments and found yours!
However if people want something the same gravitas as "The Viking Age" I also suggest as an alternative "The Age of the Longship".
I second this.
Well reasoned argument for 789 to 1209 as a timeline for Viking shenanigans in the British Isles. Have to agree with you. :) Thanks for the 'learn something new everyday' experience. Didn't know about the 1209 adventure.
As for more videos on fascinating subjects made by you, duh... of course! Seriously, you're brilliant, and all your content is great. Keep up with the sexy accurate narrative.
I just like hearing you say the word, “Ireland”. There’s almost a third syllable! 😊❤️😊
PS The Viking Age ended when you say it ended. You’re the one getting a PHD in the subject whereas I know nothing about it! 😜🙃😊
Is there any connection between Germanic/Continental Celts going off to be mercenaries in the Mediterranean and the general idea of "goin'-a-pillaging"?
Love the nuance :) Look forward to seeing you again.
Thanks for the informative (and nuanced!) video!
I don't know why I never learned about my ancestors before but I am glad I am doing it now. I feel like it explains a huge part of me.
I really loved this video Jimmy! I always wondered about this and it's amazing to have someone go through it in a way that makes sense. I'd also love to know more about the Vikings in Ireland that you mentioned you might do a video about. It seems like that might be where norse and celtic sort of aesthetics cross over? Please tell us more! :D
Somewhere in one of James Burke's programs, and I wish I could find it, is a bit of him in a classroom looking at one of those "this, then that, then that, then that" linear plots of How History Went, and basically saying "this is entirely rubbish, that's not how history WORKS." Everything depends on everything else so much that all lines get blurry.
Another excellent video, thank you sir!
Another beautiful video, Jimmy. Always a wonderful day when you post and I know you're going to smash that 50,000 right to 1 million before you know it. Secondly, if you'd like, we can gather up some pirates together and go raiding again, that way the Viking Era never ended! At least enjoy sailing in those wonderful ships.
789-2023
Also would like to join the raiding party, if only to sail in one of those ships. Always wondered how they handle, and how they feel in the water. One thing to see it in dry dock, but the beauty of the ship can only be known if you take her out. So yeah, count me in.
Quite a few Danish academic historians would argue, that the term "the Viking age" is pretty useless because going viking was such a small part of early medieval Scandinavian society, and it is misleading to let it be the defining characteristic. I can kind of follow that argument - though of course in layman's terms it's quite handy, because setting "time stamps" on the early medieval period becomes even fuzzier than for the Viking age. (Apart from anything we never had a Roman occupation in Scandinavia, which is for most part of Europe what helps define the beginning of the middle age.)
So yes, history is messy! And that's just one of the lovely things about it.
Holy Island is one of my favorite places I've ever been
Went to Durham University and worked at the Castle and the Palace Green Library. Got to go to Lindisfarne with some friends near the end of my PhD. Was fun.
Jimmy would love to see a Hiberno - Norse video!
I couldn't help make the juxtaposition between the "messy history" as it pertains to the Viking Age and the aesthetics of an IKEA catalogue. ;) :-D
Apparently I was already subscribed but didn't realise it so I "discovered" this video this morning and I got to say, I'm already obsessed!
mostly, i know of the Danelaw area because of the philology courses that were part of my english BA, having more context like this is really insightful
And please do the other video! That seems interesting.
Sweet Jimmy, please, if you would like to make a video, go for it, I fangirl history, and your videos each time are a lovely dive into the messy, dirty, smelly past for me.
Thank You so much for all you do. Grateful that you keep this nerd's fancies tickled as far as my heritage. I better get back to work, my slave driver calls in 3 minutes. Shh! I'm not supposed to be fangirling at work!
Thank you for demonstrating the unfortunate academic fact that, it is next to impossible to put almost anything into an exact time frame, because life is messy and complicated. So true of so many things! xD
It’s cool hearing about the Hiberno Norse. I live in the Wirral and there’s a huge amount of Hiberno Norse influence there.
Great timing of this video, we're covering a module with a lot of similar content to this video in my archaeology course, I'll certainly share this video with my mates to add to the discussion
in sweden, we consider 1050 the end of the viking age, as that was the year the swedish king Olof Skötkonung christianized (well, he was king of an area that later would become sweden, sweden didnt quite exist yet). Marking the end of unfeathered raiding, piracy and jolly good times.
I feel like that's a bit inaccurate...
Even after Scandinavia was christianized they were looting, plundering, setting fire to churches, and killing christians in the name of their faith. We just started calling them crusades was all.
@@CollinMcLean yes, but we werent raiding, looting and pillaging christians anymore, which is all that matters in christian westerncentric history ;)
@@w0t3rdog Sure they were. The Eastern Orthodox branch.
@@CollinMcLean Pft! Barely christian. They didnt even follow the pope for Christ sake! ;)
@@w0t3rdog Which one? *Rim shot*
I’m sad I’ve just now found you’re channel, you’re fantastic 😂🙌🏻
Please make the video about the combined north people’s cultural cross over and also one on the Islamic trade routes and impacts etc. I know I would find these highly informative.
This video was so good, such great content.
I studied history at uni for about seven and half semesters (before dropping out) and if there's one thing I learned it's that there is no clear division between eras/epochs.
i would LOVE a video on hiberno-norse culture!
I love the messiness of history! This was great, thank you ❤️.
A little late to the party, but the last account I can find is a raid on Canterbury by Thorkell the Tall in 1011, failing to ransom the archbishop because his men killed the archbishop in 1012. So maybe 1012 might be a decent time point before King Cnut’s rise to power?
Love your videos. Glad you’re sharing your knowledge. Keep up the awesome work!
I'm late to this one but yes to a Hiberno-Norse video please! I don't think I had a proper grasp of Viking/Norse interaction with Ireland until I went to some exhibitions on the anniversary of the Battle of Clontarf. It's so much more than looting monasteries!
Great video... but you make a grave oversight! Most viking attacks actually happened in Scandinavia (yes shock and horror we raided ourselves). So, if you define the Viking age, as the period in which raids were happening, then It starts waaay back in the dark ages, and stops when king Valdemar puts an end to the Wendish pirates!! So from a Danish perspective, its starts around 500 (beginning with the first archeologically proven boats) and it ends with the burning of Svantevit! But then the Norwegian would disagree with this! As you say yourself, History is messy... most Scandinavian historians just accepts Lindisfarne and the battle of Hastings as convenient markers, only useful for making chapters in history books.
If we're going to do that then we also have to include the Germanic tribes pre-500 also carrying out local raids, but I'll stick to using Old Norse cultural mores as well to allow at least a few centuries of human history to be skipped! XD
Yes, a video about the Hiberno Norse please!
I love videos like these, pumped for more
Good luck getting to 50k followers! I'll leave a saucer of milk out to appease the algorithm (I'm working under the assumption that it's one of the Fair Folk because logic like the algorithm's logic just doesn't occur in the human world).
Would like to make an addition:
Cnut’s father, and my ancestor (😁) Sweyn (Svend) Forkbeard was the one who became king of England before his son - he did go viking (even raided in Denmark it self, when his father Harald Bluetooth was king of Denmark)
Please do a Hiberno Norse video.
If you don't mind me asking an unrelated question. I'm looking for some info on Welsh history/myths and I'm hoping you might be able to steer me in the right direction. Specifically I'm trying to research the folk wrestling traditions of Britain and Ireland, and I can find next to nothing about medieval or early modern Welsh wrestling. I've seen references that mention Welshmen training in wrestling, but haven't been able to find any detailed accounts. Do you know of old stories or historical accounts which have scenes of two men wrestling? For example in Ireland we have tales of Fionn mac Cumhaill wrestling giants or Cú Chulainn wrestling his son Connla. Are there similar stories in Wales? Any help would be greatly appreciated.