Some kohl around the eyes is a far cry from the half-your-face-is-blackened look I've been seeing at SCA events since a certain "historical" series happened!!
"Warpaint"! That's what I call it when applying my favorite red lipstick. It's just great to have a shade of lipstick that makes it appear as if you had just fed on the blood of your enemies 😜😘 Btw, I love how viking-jimmy defends his right to rock those glorious smoky eyes 😁 Also, as far as I remember, in ancient egypt, both men and women, also used khol.
You will laugh ... there is actually a makeup company in the UK called "War Paint" that is targeted specifically at men.. Apperantly this "its not Makeup , its Warpaint!!! " mindset is working. I really wished all their Products had overly manly names too like "No this is not a Concealer ..its a Weakness Hiding device! "No this is not a contouring stick ..its a Face Sharpener!" "Its not a powder Brush is a Rejection Reducer!" why exatly do i not work in marketing?
Hi all! Two things: One. Henbane and belladonna are different herbs. Mea maxima culpa! Two. No, it probably wasn't for snow blindness. It doesn't work very well except under specific circumstances (like also wearing a peaked cap, go figure...), and we only really have evidence for kohl being used for ritual and cosmetic purposes in this period. Snow goggles would be way better. Peace out!
@@victoriapiva3467 From personal experience, a dark bar across the tops of my lily-white cheeks either side of my nose is more effective, both for snow and open water glare
Good catch on henbane and belladonna. I can confirm from bitter personal experience that atropine (active drug in belladonna) dilates pupils having had an ampule squirt in my eye at work. Also had a patient who tried smoking henbane, really bad idea kids
Hispanic-Arabic-Jewish traveler. There's a joke in there somewhere, I'm not finding it, but I know that if he was in a swords & sorcery novel, way too many people would be un-ironically complaining about how inaccurate he would be to midaeval Europe. Slate scholars unite!
Think about trying to explain to the common person; the genetic diversity of bohemia. A northern italian tribe that migrated throughout cisalpine gaul and even further north. You want a connection between romans and normans? Pow. Similar to how greek macedonians and illyrians migrated north and meshed with native tribes to become the rus.
If you wear eyeliner every day, it tends to leave a little bit behind even with modern cleansing methods, so maybe the 'permanent' part refers to that. Or if the substance stains then it would be sort of permanent too. Thank you for a very interesting and thoughtfully researched video! Edit: I like the idea of it but I'm thinking that if they wore a lot of makeup, we'd at least find a couple of instances of makeup containers in graves. Maybe.
Every time Spain/Al-Andalus/the kingdoms that became Spain gets mentioned in a costube video I get so happy because usually everything is about England, France and USA
I didn’t know how to explain to my roommates what I was doing when trying to pronounce “Llan” so now I’m in a nearby park hoping no one thinks I’m insane
As a recovering goth (like they say about addiction- you can go into recovery but you're never entirely cured), I thoroughly approve of the idea of wearing 'war paint' at SCA events. I also absolutely love the idea of Norsemen fussing over their hair and makeup, trying to look as sharp as possible before heading out for a night in the mead hall.
...Darn it, now my brain is running away with ideas for a Norse-coded culture for a fantasy setting where eye tattoos are part of their culture, and different types of tattoos signify different things. (Example: having a one-eyed god, and priests dedicated to him getting a tattoo around one eye.)
My thought as well. I just hope they didn't tattoo their eyeballs, which would also fit the description (but even the Anglo Saxon monks might have mentioned that!)
Oh, the lost books. I hope there is a library in some realm or afterlife where historians and other book lovers can read and comprehend the sources we have but can't read becaus we can't decode the writing system, the sources we know are lost to history, the one's we've completely forgotton, and of course what Ancient Egyptian the vowls were.
@@e.d.bibbins3858 Library of the Unwritten by A.J. Hackwith I might have gotten a wee bit emotional during a certain scene in the second book of that series... And in Bryan Camp's Gather the Fortunes, one of the incarnations lives in a bibliophile's paradise. There might have been a little bit of a minor emotional episode after reading that, too.
Great to see the return of Viking Metal Jimmy. I'd feared he'd pined for the fjords just a bit to much, and either faded away into a little ball of jellied sadness or stowed away on a ship home. I also love the irony of you talking about Viking makeup without your nail varnish 😄 You videos are always so entertaining and informative. One of the highlights of my week.
Awww Jimmy we don't subscribe to see you fall over, we subscribe for copious sources and evaluation thereof, and the last few seconds of every video regardless
Mama called her make-up "warpaint". (She encouraged me to read "The Art of War" because I had decided to become a public school teacher.) I need some evidence to turn up of make-up use. Need. Dig, Jimmy, Dig.
Honestly, we owe so freaking much to the Arab traveler/scholars. There's also the really fascinating journals from ibn Fadlan and ibn Battuta - who I believe made it up to Scandinavia!! It is SUCH a shame how much got lost due to general Islamophobia in Medieval/Renaissance Europe. Got to love the casual shade of the very dark, strong featured Arabs essentially telling a bunch of Vikings they are so much prettier with their eyeliner - haha! And for not knowing a word of Arabic - don't worry - you're doing great. Fantastic video. Super enjoyed this - especially the war-paint/makeup intro!!
Plenty of people make homemade kohl/kajal from collected soot (you light an oil lamp and put a clay pot a bit above the flame) or other mineral pigments
Your meltdown over Schleswig made me laugh. My maternal family is from there. :) My Opa's brother was a bit of an amateur historian and would wander around Holm (their hometown, was once its own island & now part of Schleswig town proper) digging up Viking-era artifacts.
😄 My Gran's maternal line was also from there. Growing up, she would point to their area and I would say "but that's Denmark" and get a severe look from her! 😄
You deserve far more than 20k subscribers. Excellent education in examining evidence and the levels which it is and is not reasonable to extrapolate. As well as history you are teaching people how to think. If only more people would listen!
I think if they used make up it was blacking under the eyes in the winter or at sea to keep the sun from reflecting off the water Or snow! Like the Inuit use. Now if it expanded from there , it could have.
Absolutely of course I come here for the “we don’t know” conclusions. Because at least I can trust that the information that happens to stay in my brain will be based on solid research available at the time I heard it.
Like actually, please don’t take henbane (I used to work managing stock of 500+ herbs at an esoteric book store. That jar had the red dot of ‘please for the love of god don’t put this in your body by any means- and the red dot don’t play around. I also studied Anthropology for my undergrad.) Not in a ‘could be bad if you aren’t careful’ way but in a ‘you will most likely get ill/could even die if you don’t know the the typical quality of the exact stand of plants and the condition of the soil they were grown in because the toxicity of plants can vary greatly from place to place and year to year and we’re not even sure what exactly the old preparations were or how much for dosage and even if we did that’s still not a guide for the particular plants you have and it’s not worth your life’ kinda way.
@@Uffda. just a good person being protective. I'm sure you understood that it's a joke, but the fact that you took time out of your day to type this and provide, possibly lifesaving knowledge, shows that you my friend are awesome.
@@coenraadsnyman5229 awww! I figured it was a joke, but unfortunately, having worked in said shop, located very near a college campus, I just had the warning flags fly in my head. So I figured I would be the extremely literal buzz-killer (one of my main skills, tbh) juuust in case and also in case some kid auditioning for “Jackass” 20 years late read it and thought, “f&@$! yeah we’re gonna prank Dan so hard!/Lol ancient junkies- I gotta know” cuz we do know. Like how we know bleach is good for disinfecting surfaces and getting stains out of clothes, but substantially less good as a substitute when you run out of pbr to put in your solo cups on the pingpong table. Definitely had customers come in cuz ‘their buddy said that [this or that herb] will totally get you f-‘d up!’ Like, first of all, I’m not a doctor, so me telling you medical stuff over a counter beyond ‘red dot means it can f- you up so bad you will need to actually see a doctor, if you make it that far, so don’t ingest this pleeease, like this is for your witchy altar or garden, not your witchy body’. Had to work really, really hard to convince some people that I wasn’t judging their life choices or trying to prevent you from doing “bad” or “forbidden” things. I just don’t wanna see a headline “University student dies unexpectedly, autopsy blames ancient poison from [the shop] the next week. Or “child in icu after eating heathen magic potion left unattended”
Viking custard? I'm interested. Also, we all know they used make up like in the Vikings TV Show. The most ACCURATE piece of history ever shown to mankind. Imma drown myself now.
I would never have thought about the belladonna theory, that's certainly an interesting take. And once again I feel like the deeper one gets into history, the less one feels they know for sure.
Would you be interested in doing a video on early Iron Age tools? I’m a wood worker and machinist and I would love to make you some house hold implements with period accurate hand tools! Also thank you for our welsh 101 :)
That was a surprisingly good pronunciation of Schleswig-Holstein, kudos! (I grew up there and hearing English speakers trying to pronounce it is always fun)
The Haithabu (Hedeby) is where it’s always been! It’s a highly desirable, centrally located, sheltered port....so of course everyone and their second cousin wanted it!🤣It also was at the terminus of one of Charlemange’s raised military roads...I got to wander around it back in 1969 when I was doing a post high school hike about. I remember standing up on the encircling ‘walls’ and being able to pick out the likely areas of various dwellings/buildings by observing the surface undulations and the color of vegetation - it was a really fun summer before I was off to University. Interesting about Ibrahim ibn Yaakov...sounds like he was a typical wandering Jew and traveling merchant of the times. - writing back home etc. Because it was pre-printing , it’s likely there weren’t a lot of copies of his works ( much such writing was purposefully destroyed in later centuries) And yes, there was quite a goodly bit of travel and trade all during the period... it would be interesting if there was a tiny Jewish outpost community in the Hedeby area - archeological evidence would be needed. The foundation of historically recorded Jewish life in the area didn’t really take off for a couple more centuries when Christianity finally began to get the Jews tossed out of Western Europe. They knew about Eastern Europe and it was much less religiously intolerant - thus safer. And yes - more Welsh lessons 😁
I am a huge fan of Welsh. I am attempting to lean it via Duolingo when I am not working on my masters.... fyi,i live in New South Wales and think Welsh is pretty cool
@@kitdubhran2968 yep. Already done, it is a good brain activity when I have to drive to the Office (hopefully those commutes will become a wee bit more frequent when Cov19 restrictions lift down here...) I selected the South Welsh version... probably because of New South Wales...
"You subscribe so you can see me fall over" honestly, I was telling my husband that my favourite part of your channel is that you remind us that history isn't always set in stone and we're always discovering and learning new things, and that there's not always a straight answer.
1) You had waaaayyyy to much fun with this video! :p 2) I always like when the conclusion is 'We dont have a solid Y/N on this'. 3) Having blood-red lipstick on is a major confidence boost and face paint is fun!
I think you should ABSOLUTELY rock some eyeliner at an SCA event!! Cos a) the rules say "make an _attempt_ at period garb", b) Eyeliner Is Cool & c) it'd suit you. In my misspent youth, I _may_ have done "woad" warpaint for SCA battles for my vaguely-Dark-Ages persona :D (I did know that fell under "C for Creative", but other stuff I thought was legit... You'd cry in horror :D)
Is it way too late and should I be studying quantitative research statistics? But the thumbnail ... I just couldn't hold me back 😆🤷🏽♀️ (and once again I definitely wasn't disappointed by the content!)
@TheWelshViking The general rule is "ibn" is Arabic for 'son of or 'of as in what family. "Ben" is the Jewish for the same. The blur occurs when you have Sephardic Jews who tend to be originally from the Moorish lands, Spain to North Africa to the Levant and even Balkan region. Loved this!
Please! Do a video on same-gender relationships on Vikings! I've seen a long video about it on RUclips and read some articles, but I needed another opinion, especially because, even though all my research turns in one direction, there are still so many people saying otherwise. ps: I saw Assassins Creed Valhalla actually made a storyline about a "gay" couple, but the video comments were so hateful and comment in particularly said "Archeogies would say they were good friends" so I thought, maybe they know a different source I don't?
Second this!! 🥰 Would be fascinating stuff, esp. to know if there was any cultural change over time? The relatively-little I've read seems to suggest homosexuality amongst men at least was pretty well-recognised & apparently also associated with magic/shamanism, but attitudes towards it sadly weren't great? However, their myths also had the great god Odin cross-dressing and practicing seiđr, so there seems to have been some rather weird dichotomies in Viking thinking re. the 🌈 community!
Love it once again ❤ As a 13-th century re-enactor I'm really looking forward to the gambeson video(s) already 😁 (though I just bought mine instead of making it. I was told making it would cost you literal blood sweat and tears. And skin from you fingertips 😅 hope you can proof them wrong!) Also very much here for more bite-sized Welsh 😊
disgruntled Hollywood Viking Jimmy is hilarious and as someone who's been trying Welsh on duolingo and enjoys this channel - I would love a channel from you dedicated to Welsh learning.
Yes! Teach Welsh!! That would be fun❣️ Ooh- you look good in warpaint- makeup is a blessing and necessary for some of us, ha! I knew there weren’t too many references Regarding Vikings and war paint but it’s intriguing, thanx Jimmy❗️
Love you dude, by far the most informative RUclips channel I have ever stumbled upon. Keep it up! Also would love a video of a full tour on your viking/ early medieval reenactment kit
@@TheWelshViking thanks, I've been trying to put together my own kit and having someone I trust to deliver accurate and researched info would be a good guidance
I used to have a Christmas holiday with my family near Haithabu, and the exhibition there is really quite good, so if you're in the area, you should go there (you need a car, though, I think). It's really stupidly close to the Danish border, so when times are better, you can probably get there from the Danish side, too!
I'm gonna start off with, lovely video, and then go down a sad rabbit hole. So I was talking to my friend, and they posted something about Viking makeup, like, vikings Viking makeup, as a nerd I commented on it, just trying to spread some cool knowledge. I was greeted with their ignorance to the history, simply stating they had "Viking" heritage, and they knew more than I did, because they had blood from all over that area. I sent this video, thinking they'd be like "oh, cool" kind of thing, and got a "don't trust everything you see online" which made me reconsider a friendship, I decided arguing with someone who believes they're right was pointless, but still, this was my fun adventure into trying to spread knowledge and failing
3 things that made me smile in this very well-detailed commentary - Jewish and Muslim medieval travel journals (I love using quotes from those in history classes to get students to question sources for bias and truth), the stylus comment (I have a couple of broken Roman stylii my students examine), and the comment about the city switching countries because my grandmother used to say her family came from "a small village that was in Poland or Russia, depending on the week and war"...Enjoying your work!
Sorry to nitpick here about the names: in Hebrew he is called Abraham ben Yacob, in Arabic Ibrahim ibn Ya'aqoob, don't mix the forms. A fun footnote about "kohl": in Akkadian (Babylonian/Assyrian) it is called "guhlum" (with the h like Scottish "loch" or German "Bach"), and also just means "eye-paint, mascara, antimony". With that meaning it was borrowed into other Semitic languages like Hebrew, Aramaic, Arabic etc. Because this antimony-paint is a very fine powder it sometimes was used as a metaphor for "fine" things and fine powders in general. It was then used in Arabic in phrases like Al-kuhl al-mashrubat "the fine thing of beverages". From that usage we borrowed the term "Alcohol" :).
One small correction: Tortosa is not in Cantabria (which is in the northern Atlantic coast of Spain) but in Catalonia (in the Mediterranean coast). Anyway, it was a very interesting video
Excellent channel! I have southern welsh ancestry, and generally just interested in these sorts of topics about vikings, celts, saxons, etc. so your channel is an actual goldmine. Keep up the great work with presenting the information in a very clear and entertaining way! You definitely deserve more viewers.
I've had your channel page up for a week or two now, after seeing someone link it on tumblr, but I've never gotten around to watching anything; this is the first video of yours I've watched, and I like it, time to go binge all the videos you've ever made.
Hey a shout out to the SCA! Yes, we are less rigorous but we are in it for the fun. I feel seen huzzah! P.S. linen garb in Arizona is super comfy! We wear the wool garb at night to avoid death from overheating.
Not only norse people were trading with Al-Andalus, danish vikings raided the andalusian city of Cádiz. You made me certainly curious about the history of makeup in Spain... Was it only used in Al-Andalus or also in the Christian kingdoms?
Currently on holiday in Anglesey, we need to be able to pronounce the place names so need more Welsh lessons from you!! Love the channel even though we are Roman re-enactors not Vikings. Fab content, thanks for the time and effort you put into it.
This comment very long but hopefully helpful? 😁 I've been doing research for my Roman impression and into cosmetics and eyeliner. 😃 There seems to be two types commonly in use. Kohl which was mostly used in the east and imported (even to Rome) which is made from crushing a stone called Galena. Its more like a very dark gunmetal grey with a sparkle. Sometimes adding a few drops of oil or just licking your cosmetic applicator (a stick) is all you need (see links below). Roman women also used sticks like Egyptians. Galena has lead which is mostly removed in modern Kohl but be cautious. Due to lack of regulations in the traditional kohl industry, there's sometimes still lead! 😬 Used even today by Eastern cultures and Islamic cultures but is not Islamic in origin. And still applied with sticks like the Ancients did. Second is lamp black. Again can still be found made and used in parts of India (called kajal I think, see links on how to make). Very easy to make! You can use oil but animal fat is better. You can add other ingredients other than oil/fat but that alone does the job. You'll end up with a really black butter. Again apply with a stick. It's slick stuff and if you apply regularly you'll achieve a pretty good consistent and very black smokey look 😃 In modernised times mostly women in these cultures frequently use these eyeliners but in some more traditional families, the men and children wear it as well. And daily or regularly which I'll explain later. And when you apply your eyeliner, its on the wet parts of your eyes. Again see links on how to apply. I also found interesting was that the Romans adopted from early Britain a small bronze crescent shaped object with its middle hollowed out with a corresponding crescent that fitted inside the hollowed out part. These were originally named cosmetic or woad grinders by archaeologists as they assumed they were used to grind the kohl (which if you owned a replica like I do, is not very practical 🤷♀️). I'm glad they are now starting to refer to them as cosmetic applicators not grinders as I believe the hollowed out part of the crescent contained a solid black like Kajal and the accompanying crescent is the applicator like sticks are used in the east. Romans also observed the use of eyeliner by people's in Britain both men and women. We make the assumption eyeliner is an Eastern practice but in antiquity seems to be a multi cultural practice and we need to be careful of our preconceptions of eyeliner being purely used by women or is a foreign or introduced custom. Also to consider is the debate of celtic culture spreading from the west into Europe. Is it so inconceivable that the use of eyeliner in the west wasn't already in wide practice by the time of the dark ages and not an Eastern influence? Maybe yes kohl was traded. I don't know about Western eyeliner practices but keep note that from the Egyptians to modern times, culturally kohl was not only for beautifying but foremostly has a health and hygiene significance for men, women and children even to this day. Same with kajal in India. 😃 Kohl history and how to wear it: ruclips.net/video/AtZ7RbuQlUc/видео.html How to make Kajal: ruclips.net/video/Rr6wu0FmZDw/видео.html Another how to make kajal: ruclips.net/video/deOc-rdyLo4/видео.html Article about the British cosmetic applicators: www.english-heritage.org.uk/about-us/search-news/pr-roman-make-up/
It's funny about the SCA events thing because when I was involved in events, there were costume police that would go around and inform you that you were wrong and that you needed to fix what you were wearing. My mom tried to submit a persona and was informed that she was not allowed to because she didn't have any proof of heritage (it was an English peasant persona, which we are English, Scottish and German) and she was assigned a Viking-esque persona with a list of allowed clothing options and fibers. It was a mess. That's when we got out.
I love EVERYTHING about this video. You just combined so many of my favorite things and specifically things to geek out about all in one video! 🤯 YESSS! Like five videos in and now I’ve subscribed! (I thought I already had, but still)
"Never vanishes" could just mean they don't leave the house without putting it on.
I love this. This is such a good angle!
Kept in a jar by the door.
I guess it could also mean it was tattooed or something 🤔
Tattoos around the eyes... ouch... I mean, sure, possible, but ouch.
@@AnnoyedKitten I know 😅 people do do it though...
Ah, yes, the famous viking Mac Cosmetrid, settler of the Seid Fora Isles, known for his war paint and comprehensive lipstick range.
Renowned for slaying.
@@mcwjes and werking.
XD
Found the perfect comment of the day
Aaaaaand now I'm imagining Johnny Ross as a makeup peddler in a norse village. Thank you for this beautiful picture.
i for one would love to let loose a horde of vikings into a sephora
Some kohl around the eyes is a far cry from the half-your-face-is-blackened look I've been seeing at SCA events since a certain "historical" series happened!!
Perhaps they are just tearing up at the beauty of their fellows and it ran? We have all had eyeliner get a bit out of hand have tied.
Yikes, I haven't seen any of that on the east coast, although I haven't seen anything for over a year
Just like the blue painted Scots that showed up after a certain movie was released.
We dare not speak its name...
'And that was written by a man... whose name I have now forgotten.' Me in literally all my history exams
"Warpaint"! That's what I call it when applying my favorite red lipstick. It's just great to have a shade of lipstick that makes it appear as if you had just fed on the blood of your enemies 😜😘
Btw, I love how viking-jimmy defends his right to rock those glorious smoky eyes 😁
Also, as far as I remember, in ancient egypt, both men and women, also used khol.
You will laugh ... there is actually a makeup company in the UK called "War Paint" that is targeted specifically at men..
Apperantly this "its not Makeup , its Warpaint!!! " mindset is working.
I really wished all their Products had overly manly names too like "No this is not a Concealer ..its a Weakness Hiding device! "No this is not a contouring stick ..its a Face Sharpener!" "Its not a powder Brush is a Rejection Reducer!"
why exatly do i not work in marketing?
@@NINI-xc6my Reminds me of stuff like the tactical baby gear.
I referred to my thick dark eyeliner in high school as war paint. Evidently it made me look very intimidating 😂😁
Traditional kohl does help in sunny climes like Egypt. But I can't imagine it being useful in Scandinavia, where too much sun is rarely an issue.
Well, maybe if you're biting your shield and catch your lip?
Thank you for being such a wholesome example of masculinity.
It's very refreshing.
It's the guyliner. +100 on "manliness" once applied.
Emasculinity*
@@jurikurthambarskjelfir3533 lol, no
Since when is not being masculine a masculine thing?
@@spoopy-gho5tSince when has “Viking Men did this thing” not been masculine?
Hi all! Two things:
One. Henbane and belladonna are different herbs. Mea maxima culpa!
Two. No, it probably wasn't for snow blindness. It doesn't work very well except under specific circumstances (like also wearing a peaked cap, go figure...), and we only really have evidence for kohl being used for ritual and cosmetic purposes in this period. Snow goggles would be way better. Peace out!
The Inuit were making really cool sunglasses at the time I believe! I wonder if the norse did anything similar?
I was wondering, but then thought maybe I was wrong! Thanks for clarifying that!
Could it be for the sun?
@@victoriapiva3467 From personal experience, a dark bar across the tops of my lily-white cheeks either side of my nose is more effective, both for snow and open water glare
Good catch on henbane and belladonna. I can confirm from bitter personal experience that atropine (active drug in belladonna) dilates pupils having had an ampule squirt in my eye at work. Also had a patient who tried smoking henbane, really bad idea kids
Hispanic-Arabic-Jewish traveler. There's a joke in there somewhere, I'm not finding it, but I know that if he was in a swords & sorcery novel, way too many people would be un-ironically complaining about how inaccurate he would be to midaeval Europe.
Slate scholars unite!
The entire Middle Ages are a historic to those who have fiction expectations. #medievalism
Antonio Banderas' role in the 13th Warrior is based on him. It's stated in the intro to the very boring book it's an adaptation of.
@@TheSylda will have to check that out!
Especially if he walked into a bar.
Think about trying to explain to the common person; the genetic diversity of bohemia. A northern italian tribe that migrated throughout cisalpine gaul and even further north. You want a connection between romans and normans? Pow. Similar to how greek macedonians and illyrians migrated north and meshed with native tribes to become the rus.
My being Scottish and learning conversational Welsh would really annoy English people.
It needs to happen.
And almost vaguely historic if you're from Ystrad Clyd (Strathclyde). The old North and Brythonic Scotland is pretty interesting
Wouldnt annoy me mate - go for it
If you wear eyeliner every day, it tends to leave a little bit behind even with modern cleansing methods, so maybe the 'permanent' part refers to that. Or if the substance stains then it would be sort of permanent too. Thank you for a very interesting and thoughtfully researched video!
Edit: I like the idea of it but I'm thinking that if they wore a lot of makeup, we'd at least find a couple of instances of makeup containers in graves. Maybe.
I know when I have liquid eyeliner some of it stays on.
There are people who get it tattooed on (yikes!)
Every time Spain/Al-Andalus/the kingdoms that became Spain gets mentioned in a costube video I get so happy because usually everything is about England, France and USA
I would like to hear more as it sounds like a very interesting centre of learning and culture just from this snippet!
@@lucie4185 working on it :D
I didn’t know how to explain to my roommates what I was doing when trying to pronounce “Llan” so now I’m in a nearby park hoping no one thinks I’m insane
...Dammit... We've lost the book is my LEAST favorite thing to hear. :(
* cries in librarian *
@@gozerthegozarian9500 *sympathetic hug and also cries in librarian and linguist* 🫂
Aw, man! There goes my dream of Jimmy doing a smoky eye tutorial.
That screenshot of eurotrash took me back almost 20 years 🤣
I was really hoping someone would get it!
@@TheWelshViking I almost got whiplash from the double-take lol. Your vampy lippy is also pretty 90s according to beauty RUclips.
As a recovering goth (like they say about addiction- you can go into recovery but you're never entirely cured), I thoroughly approve of the idea of wearing 'war paint' at SCA events. I also absolutely love the idea of Norsemen fussing over their hair and makeup, trying to look as sharp as possible before heading out for a night in the mead hall.
Praying you don't encounter a trigger to relapse and that you find The Cure for what ails you.
Oh shi...
Getting into jazz is an Easy Cure
lol When the quoted bit mentioned it was permanent, my brain went to those who get tattoos that mimic makeup so they don’t have to redo it everyday.
...Darn it, now my brain is running away with ideas for a Norse-coded culture for a fantasy setting where eye tattoos are part of their culture, and different types of tattoos signify different things. (Example: having a one-eyed god, and priests dedicated to him getting a tattoo around one eye.)
I have to say "never fade" to me suggested tattoos too.
My thought as well. I just hope they didn't tattoo their eyeballs, which would also fit the description (but even the Anglo Saxon monks might have mentioned that!)
Or maybe the Vikings invented the first waterproof makeup jk jk
Me too.
Oh, the lost books. I hope there is a library in some realm or afterlife where historians and other book lovers can read and comprehend the sources we have but can't read becaus we can't decode the writing system, the sources we know are lost to history, the one's we've completely forgotton, and of course what Ancient Egyptian the vowls were.
For me, Emperor Claudius' Tyrhennica and his Estruscan/Latin dictionary.
After that, the biblical Book of the Wars of the Lord.
Book people!
In Sandman Dream has a library full of books that were never written which is pretty close.
@@e.d.bibbins3858 Yeah, I that may have been in the back of my mind when I originally commented. Neil Gaiman is an absolute genius.
@@e.d.bibbins3858 Library of the Unwritten by A.J. Hackwith
I might have gotten a wee bit emotional during a certain scene in the second book of that series...
And in Bryan Camp's Gather the Fortunes, one of the incarnations lives in a bibliophile's paradise. There might have been a little bit of a minor emotional episode after reading that, too.
Great to see the return of Viking Metal Jimmy. I'd feared he'd pined for the fjords just a bit to much, and either faded away into a little ball of jellied sadness or stowed away on a ship home.
I also love the irony of you talking about Viking makeup without your nail varnish 😄
You videos are always so entertaining and informative. One of the highlights of my week.
*looks at nails* Oh bugger, I knew I'd forgotten something!
Awww Jimmy we don't subscribe to see you fall over, we subscribe for copious sources and evaluation thereof, and the last few seconds of every video regardless
Would you consider doing a video on the lost books you most wish you could read?
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@@TheWelshViking I think alexandria may have had one or two books at some point....
I kinda want this... I'm kinda terrified of wanting to read dead books 😫
Mama called her make-up "warpaint". (She encouraged me to read "The Art of War" because I had decided to become a public school teacher.) I need some evidence to turn up of make-up use. Need. Dig, Jimmy, Dig.
That sounds like the perfect thing to say to an archaeologist 😂
@@DanielledeVreede well, maybe he’s still busy filling out level forms
that particular shade of lipst..........unnhhhh, "warpaint", looks great on viking Jimmy btw. Great shade for a little light ransacking and pillaging.
Honestly, we owe so freaking much to the Arab traveler/scholars. There's also the really fascinating journals from ibn Fadlan and ibn Battuta - who I believe made it up to Scandinavia!! It is SUCH a shame how much got lost due to general Islamophobia in Medieval/Renaissance Europe. Got to love the casual shade of the very dark, strong featured Arabs essentially telling a bunch of Vikings they are so much prettier with their eyeliner - haha!
And for not knowing a word of Arabic - don't worry - you're doing great.
Fantastic video. Super enjoyed this - especially the war-paint/makeup intro!!
i love that you actually try to say the arabic correctly, im a beginner so it kinda sounds like when i try lol
The thought of all the lost primary sources of the world makes me so sad. T_T
Plenty of people make homemade kohl/kajal from collected soot (you light an oil lamp and put a clay pot a bit above the flame) or other mineral pigments
Your meltdown over Schleswig made me laugh. My maternal family is from there. :)
My Opa's brother was a bit of an amateur historian and would wander around Holm (their hometown, was once its own island & now part of Schleswig town proper) digging up Viking-era artifacts.
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My Gran's maternal line was also from there. Growing up, she would point to their area and I would say "but that's Denmark" and get a severe look from her! 😄
@@denni7173 😂
You deserve far more than 20k subscribers. Excellent education in examining evidence and the levels which it is and is not reasonable to extrapolate. As well as history you are teaching people how to think. If only more people would listen!
I think if they used make up it was blacking under the eyes in the winter or at sea to keep the sun from reflecting off the water Or snow! Like the Inuit use. Now if it expanded from there , it could have.
Absolutely of course I come here for the “we don’t know” conclusions. Because at least I can trust that the information that happens to stay in my brain will be based on solid research available at the time I heard it.
"Henbane will get you really high, don't do this at home."
First of all: how do you know?
Second: Stop me, I dare you,
It’s also been used as a poison.....to, ya know, kill people...
Like actually, please don’t take henbane (I used to work managing stock of 500+ herbs at an esoteric book store. That jar had the red dot of ‘please for the love of god don’t put this in your body by any means- and the red dot don’t play around. I also studied Anthropology for my undergrad.) Not in a ‘could be bad if you aren’t careful’ way but in a ‘you will most likely get ill/could even die if you don’t know the the typical quality of the exact stand of plants and the condition of the soil they were grown in because the toxicity of plants can vary greatly from place to place and year to year and we’re not even sure what exactly the old preparations were or how much for dosage and even if we did that’s still not a guide for the particular plants you have and it’s not worth your life’ kinda way.
@@Uffda. just a good person being protective. I'm sure you understood that it's a joke, but the fact that you took time out of your day to type this and provide, possibly lifesaving knowledge, shows that you my friend are awesome.
@@coenraadsnyman5229 awww! I figured it was a joke, but unfortunately, having worked in said shop, located very near a college campus, I just had the warning flags fly in my head. So I figured I would be the extremely literal buzz-killer (one of my main skills, tbh) juuust in case and also in case some kid auditioning for “Jackass” 20 years late read it and thought, “f&@$! yeah we’re gonna prank Dan so hard!/Lol ancient junkies- I gotta know” cuz we do know. Like how we know bleach is good for disinfecting surfaces and getting stains out of clothes, but substantially less good as a substitute when you run out of pbr to put in your solo cups on the pingpong table. Definitely had customers come in cuz ‘their buddy said that [this or that herb] will totally get you f-‘d up!’ Like, first of all, I’m not a doctor, so me telling you medical stuff over a counter beyond ‘red dot means it can f- you up so bad you will need to actually see a doctor, if you make it that far, so don’t ingest this pleeease, like this is for your witchy altar or garden, not your witchy body’. Had to work really, really hard to convince some people that I wasn’t judging their life choices or trying to prevent you from doing “bad” or “forbidden” things. I just don’t wanna see a headline “University student dies unexpectedly, autopsy blames ancient poison from [the shop] the next week. Or “child in icu after eating heathen magic potion left unattended”
The glare my cat gave me for practising the ll pronunciation tip!
Viking custard? I'm interested.
Also, we all know they used make up like in the Vikings TV Show. The most ACCURATE piece of history ever shown to mankind.
Imma drown myself now.
Paging Max Miller from Tasting History!
@@seileach67 OMG! Did you catch his Viking Blood Bread video?! I love that guy!!!!!
@@seileach67I was just thinking that! Now I want a Viking custard demo with history!
@@susanohnhaus611 LOL veerrry late reply, sorry, but yes I did! What a great guy; I got his book too LOL
Aaaannddd the Biker-Viking is back! Great video mate
Viking Metal Jimmy. The place has been quiet without him.
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I figured it was time to do glamorous ones, y'know?
@@TheWelshViking Very Boy George, very glam.
Great history, Viking Jimmy, and a ton of fun cultural references? This is why I send slate money every month. :)
Why thank y-OH NO I FORGOT THE CREDIT PAGE! Bonus video incoming!
I would never have thought about the belladonna theory, that's certainly an interesting take. And once again I feel like the deeper one gets into history, the less one feels they know for sure.
Would you be interested in doing a video on early Iron Age tools? I’m a wood worker and machinist and I would love to make you some house hold implements with period accurate hand tools!
Also thank you for our welsh 101 :)
In India kajal is applied to the eyes of kids at 6 days old I believe, to prevent evil eye ,sun blindness and encourage long lashes
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How do you keep them from smearing it?
That was a surprisingly good pronunciation of Schleswig-Holstein, kudos! (I grew up there and hearing English speakers trying to pronounce it is always fun)
Are there lots of the spotted cows? (Holstein) Also, brings to mind ‘squirrel’ for German speakers XD
@@Uffda. But the German word Eichhörnchen for squirrel is probably just as difficult for English speakers. :D
So Viking!
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Add: with a graphic of a lipstick tube with bloody fingerprints on it = merch idea? 🤔
The Delphic oracle most likely did ancient grease, yes xD
The Haithabu (Hedeby) is where it’s always been! It’s a highly desirable, centrally located, sheltered port....so of course everyone and their second cousin wanted it!🤣It also was at the terminus of one of Charlemange’s raised military roads...I got to wander around it back in 1969 when I was doing a post high school hike about. I remember standing up on the encircling ‘walls’ and being able to pick out the likely areas of various dwellings/buildings by observing the surface undulations and the color of vegetation - it was a really fun summer before I was off to University.
Interesting about Ibrahim ibn Yaakov...sounds like he was a typical wandering Jew and traveling merchant of the times. - writing back home etc. Because it was pre-printing , it’s likely there weren’t a lot of copies of his works ( much such writing was purposefully destroyed in later centuries) And yes, there was quite a goodly bit of travel and trade all during the period...
it would be interesting if there was a tiny Jewish outpost community in the Hedeby area - archeological evidence would be needed. The foundation of historically recorded Jewish life in the area didn’t really take off for a couple more centuries when Christianity finally began to get the Jews tossed out of Western Europe. They knew about Eastern Europe and it was much less religiously intolerant - thus safer.
And yes - more Welsh lessons 😁
I am a huge fan of Welsh. I am attempting to lean it via Duolingo when I am not working on my masters.... fyi,i live in New South Wales and think Welsh is pretty cool
Try looking up “say something in Welsh”. SSIW. It’s a super helpful resource to learning spoken Welsh fast.
@@kitdubhran2968 yep. Already done, it is a good brain activity when I have to drive to the Office (hopefully those commutes will become a wee bit more frequent when Cov19 restrictions lift down here...) I selected the South Welsh version... probably because of New South Wales...
👋 Hi Neighbour! Cold enough for you yet?
@@brissygirl4997 not yet! But then again, considering where I live in NSW Highlands, that can change quickly!
Ahh I went to see the bayeux tapestry with school when I was 11. It was amazing to see. I brought home a card version of it that unfolded all the way
I have that too! Loved it.
I so much want to see that some day!
"You subscribe so you can see me fall over" honestly, I was telling my husband that my favourite part of your channel is that you remind us that history isn't always set in stone and we're always discovering and learning new things, and that there's not always a straight answer.
1) You had waaaayyyy to much fun with this video! :p 2) I always like when the conclusion is 'We dont have a solid Y/N on this'. 3) Having blood-red lipstick on is a major confidence boost and face paint is fun!
I would love literally anything about Welsh you chose to do
(also "soyboy" killed me 😂)
I think you should ABSOLUTELY rock some eyeliner at an SCA event!! Cos a) the rules say "make an _attempt_ at period garb", b) Eyeliner Is Cool & c) it'd suit you. In my misspent youth, I _may_ have done "woad" warpaint for SCA battles for my vaguely-Dark-Ages persona :D (I did know that fell under "C for Creative", but other stuff I thought was legit... You'd cry in horror :D)
I'm eagerly awaiting a collab between Jimmy and a makeup guru channel.
Yes! This! This is the kind of crossover material I came to this life for!
Collab with Robert Welsh!
Is it way too late and should I be studying quantitative research statistics? But the thumbnail ... I just couldn't hold me back 😆🤷🏽♀️
(and once again I definitely wasn't disappointed by the content!)
@TheWelshViking The general rule is "ibn" is Arabic for 'son of or 'of as in what family. "Ben" is the Jewish for the same.
The blur occurs when you have Sephardic Jews who tend to be originally from the Moorish lands, Spain to North Africa to the Levant and even Balkan region.
Loved this!
In Welsh, you could say "ap" or "a" would correlate to ibn or Ben. Ex: Thomas ap Becket. Or the Scandinavian "-son" "-dottir". The Irish "Ni" or "Mac"
I've never seen a used for "son of" in Welsh! Only ab, ap, or mab!
You don't need to put on eye makeup. Your eyes are nice without it.
Oh you!
Would have loved to watch/listen to your digression about Schleswig-Holstein/Denmark/Germany! Also props to your pronunciation!
Please! Do a video on same-gender relationships on Vikings! I've seen a long video about it on RUclips and read some articles, but I needed another opinion, especially because, even though all my research turns in one direction, there are still so many people saying otherwise.
ps: I saw Assassins Creed Valhalla actually made a storyline about a "gay" couple, but the video comments were so hateful and comment in particularly said "Archeogies would say they were good friends" so I thought, maybe they know a different source I don't?
Second this!! 🥰 Would be fascinating stuff, esp. to know if there was any cultural change over time? The relatively-little I've read seems to suggest homosexuality amongst men at least was pretty well-recognised & apparently also associated with magic/shamanism, but attitudes towards it sadly weren't great? However, their myths also had the great god Odin cross-dressing and practicing seiđr, so there seems to have been some rather weird dichotomies in Viking thinking re. the 🌈 community!
Love it once again ❤
As a 13-th century re-enactor I'm really looking forward to the gambeson video(s) already 😁 (though I just bought mine instead of making it. I was told making it would cost you literal blood sweat and tears. And skin from you fingertips 😅 hope you can proof them wrong!)
Also very much here for more bite-sized Welsh 😊
"Don't try this at home" Yeah, save it for the longhall.
disgruntled Hollywood Viking Jimmy is hilarious and as someone who's been trying Welsh on duolingo and enjoys this channel - I would love a channel from you dedicated to Welsh learning.
Yes! Teach Welsh!! That would be fun❣️
Ooh- you look good in warpaint- makeup is a blessing and necessary for some of us, ha!
I knew there weren’t too many references
Regarding Vikings and war paint but it’s intriguing, thanx Jimmy❗️
Love you dude, by far the most informative RUclips channel I have ever stumbled upon. Keep it up! Also would love a video of a full tour on your viking/ early medieval reenactment kit
Great idea!
Thank you so much! I'll get it all in one place, lay it out, and do a proper wardrobe tour! :D
@@TheWelshViking thanks, I've been trying to put together my own kit and having someone I trust to deliver accurate and researched info would be a good guidance
@@TheWelshViking I’m already hyped!
I choose to believe that my ancestors wore guyliner
For SCA yes! We have had a viking King here in Lochac do it. I happen to like it, I think more men should do at least eyeliner even mundanely!
Fellow Lochac SCAdian here. Yes, an 'attempt' is all we ask. :P
Huzzah for Lochac and our royals!
Hahaha, that ending.
If you ever did a second channel to teach Welsh I would totally join but don't feel pressured to do it.
I used to have a Christmas holiday with my family near Haithabu, and the exhibition there is really quite good, so if you're in the area, you should go there (you need a car, though, I think). It's really stupidly close to the Danish border, so when times are better, you can probably get there from the Danish side, too!
Also, looking over the top of your plate in German means that you consider things out of your own limited field (in a positive way).
The edits in this video are just *chef's kiss* keep up the good work!
Can't wait to see how the gambeson project goes
Who thought the makeup discussion would have taken a hard right turn into a teleporting city at 3:30...
Viking Jimmy always makes me giggle.
I love how respectful you are!
I'm gonna start off with, lovely video, and then go down a sad rabbit hole. So I was talking to my friend, and they posted something about Viking makeup, like, vikings Viking makeup, as a nerd I commented on it, just trying to spread some cool knowledge. I was greeted with their ignorance to the history, simply stating they had "Viking" heritage, and they knew more than I did, because they had blood from all over that area. I sent this video, thinking they'd be like "oh, cool" kind of thing, and got a "don't trust everything you see online" which made me reconsider a friendship, I decided arguing with someone who believes they're right was pointless, but still, this was my fun adventure into trying to spread knowledge and failing
3 things that made me smile in this very well-detailed commentary - Jewish and Muslim medieval travel journals (I love using quotes from those in history classes to get students to question sources for bias and truth), the stylus comment (I have a couple of broken Roman stylii my students examine), and the comment about the city switching countries because my grandmother used to say her family came from "a small village that was in Poland or Russia, depending on the week and war"...Enjoying your work!
If you’re ever interested in doing that extra channel to do Welsh, or a series, I would love it. But take your time if you need it. ❤️
the welsh channel would be awesome! :D also, more info about the interconnectedness of eras past, that's just so cool :D
Fascinating stuff! The specificity you bring to the viking history is brilliant.
The Monty Python nod made me snork my wine, thank you very much, sir....
Thank you for being you
I didn’t realize it was a secondary source!I love all parts of your videos but phrase of the week is always so fun 😁
These videos are great because until this month I never knew how much I didn't know about Vikings!
Sorry to nitpick here about the names: in Hebrew he is called Abraham ben Yacob, in Arabic Ibrahim ibn Ya'aqoob, don't mix the forms. A fun footnote about "kohl": in Akkadian (Babylonian/Assyrian) it is called "guhlum" (with the h like Scottish "loch" or German "Bach"), and also just means "eye-paint, mascara, antimony". With that meaning it was borrowed into other Semitic languages like Hebrew, Aramaic, Arabic etc. Because this antimony-paint is a very fine powder it sometimes was used as a metaphor for "fine" things and fine powders in general. It was then used in Arabic in phrases like Al-kuhl al-mashrubat "the fine thing of beverages". From that usage we borrowed the term "Alcohol" :).
You are such a gem!!!!! Thank you!
The war paint viking was hilarious!
One small correction: Tortosa is not in Cantabria (which is in the northern Atlantic coast of Spain) but in Catalonia (in the Mediterranean coast). Anyway, it was a very interesting video
Well done Martin! Love the art!
Excellent channel! I have southern welsh ancestry, and generally just interested in these sorts of topics about vikings, celts, saxons, etc. so your channel is an actual goldmine. Keep up the great work with presenting the information in a very clear and entertaining way! You definitely deserve more viewers.
I've had your channel page up for a week or two now, after seeing someone link it on tumblr, but I've never gotten around to watching anything; this is the first video of yours I've watched, and I like it, time to go binge all the videos you've ever made.
Yes to the Welsh series!! I was actually looking for the video where you went through the alphabet today. Would love to learn more
You rock Dude! LOVE your channel. And I am picky history freak. Plus- love Wales and Welsh language. You do Wales a credit. Keep up good work
Appreciate you're taking time differences into account, truly! I'm over in South Korea and miss out on people streaming all the time ;-;
Am I showing my age that, when you mention streaing Viking games, my mind immediately supplied 'hnefatafle'?
I would LOVE to see you teach Welsh!
The following down isn't why I watch, but it is a fun bonus! Seriously, I love the real research and might have a soft spot for crazy viking Jimmy.
Hey a shout out to the SCA! Yes, we are less rigorous but we are in it for the fun. I feel seen huzzah! P.S. linen garb in Arizona is super comfy! We wear the wool garb at night to avoid death from overheating.
Not only norse people were trading with Al-Andalus, danish vikings raided the andalusian city of Cádiz. You made me certainly curious about the history of makeup in Spain... Was it only used in Al-Andalus or also in the Christian kingdoms?
I loved the city of Cádiz when I was there a few years ago. So small for all of the history it contains
Currently on holiday in Anglesey, we need to be able to pronounce the place names so need more Welsh lessons from you!! Love the channel even though we are Roman re-enactors not Vikings. Fab content, thanks for the time and effort you put into it.
Ask a local. The you'll be able to manage Llanfairynghornwy.
This comment very long but hopefully helpful? 😁
I've been doing research for my Roman impression and into cosmetics and eyeliner. 😃 There seems to be two types commonly in use. Kohl which was mostly used in the east and imported (even to Rome) which is made from crushing a stone called Galena. Its more like a very dark gunmetal grey with a sparkle. Sometimes adding a few drops of oil or just licking your cosmetic applicator (a stick) is all you need (see links below). Roman women also used sticks like Egyptians. Galena has lead which is mostly removed in modern Kohl but be cautious. Due to lack of regulations in the traditional kohl industry, there's sometimes still lead! 😬 Used even today by Eastern cultures and Islamic cultures but is not Islamic in origin. And still applied with sticks like the Ancients did.
Second is lamp black. Again can still be found made and used in parts of India (called kajal I think, see links on how to make). Very easy to make! You can use oil but animal fat is better. You can add other ingredients other than oil/fat but that alone does the job. You'll end up with a really black butter. Again apply with a stick. It's slick stuff and if you apply regularly you'll achieve a pretty good consistent and very black smokey look 😃
In modernised times mostly women in these cultures frequently use these eyeliners but in some more traditional families, the men and children wear it as well. And daily or regularly which I'll explain later. And when you apply your eyeliner, its on the wet parts of your eyes. Again see links on how to apply.
I also found interesting was that the Romans adopted from early Britain a small bronze crescent shaped object with its middle hollowed out with a corresponding crescent that fitted inside the hollowed out part. These were originally named cosmetic or woad grinders by archaeologists as they assumed they were used to grind the kohl (which if you owned a replica like I do, is not very practical 🤷♀️). I'm glad they are now starting to refer to them as cosmetic applicators not grinders as I believe the hollowed out part of the crescent contained a solid black like Kajal and the accompanying crescent is the applicator like sticks are used in the east. Romans also observed the use of eyeliner by people's in Britain both men and women. We make the assumption eyeliner is an Eastern practice but in antiquity seems to be a multi cultural practice and we need to be careful of our preconceptions of eyeliner being purely used by women or is a foreign or introduced custom. Also to consider is the debate of celtic culture spreading from the west into Europe. Is it so inconceivable that the use of eyeliner in the west wasn't already in wide practice by the time of the dark ages and not an Eastern influence? Maybe yes kohl was traded. I don't know about Western eyeliner practices but keep note that from the Egyptians to modern times, culturally kohl was not only for beautifying but foremostly has a health and hygiene significance for men, women and children even to this day. Same with kajal in India. 😃
Kohl history and how to wear it: ruclips.net/video/AtZ7RbuQlUc/видео.html
How to make Kajal: ruclips.net/video/Rr6wu0FmZDw/видео.html
Another how to make kajal: ruclips.net/video/deOc-rdyLo4/видео.html
Article about the British cosmetic applicators: www.english-heritage.org.uk/about-us/search-news/pr-roman-make-up/
Yes teaching Welsh would be fantastic. I would love to learn it since it’s were my ancestors came from
It's funny about the SCA events thing because when I was involved in events, there were costume police that would go around and inform you that you were wrong and that you needed to fix what you were wearing. My mom tried to submit a persona and was informed that she was not allowed to because she didn't have any proof of heritage (it was an English peasant persona, which we are English, Scottish and German) and she was assigned a Viking-esque persona with a list of allowed clothing options and fibers. It was a mess. That's when we got out.
This one was particularly funny. Love learning more about this stuff without having to scrabble for research on the internet; thank you so much.
I love EVERYTHING about this video. You just combined so many of my favorite things and specifically things to geek out about all in one video! 🤯 YESSS! Like five videos in and now I’ve subscribed! (I thought I already had, but still)
Thank you for feeding us with this content Jimmy. You're the best!