Purchased both. Was really hoping to have Abacab and Tonight, Tonight, Tonight from the Wembley show on vinyl. The Genesis logo on this release is a copy of the BBC font that has been used for years. Looks fantastic.
I got the CD version and I'm just so happy! Gosh... What a great band they were through all of these decades. And I totally agree with you on the design: I really like the look, its so cool.
Great theories on engineering as well as track selection. I tend to agree with you and would love To hear Tony and Nick’s thinking on your intuitions. Great video. Also LOVE your idea on what the Domino box set could have been. That would have been mega!
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Fantastic review! I ordered both formats b/c the CD set has more of the mid- to late 70s tracks - and yes, One for the Vine and Deep in the Motherlode are included. :)
Great video, I got the vinyl version. I agree completely about should have done 5 lp and 3 cd instead of the opposite. Of course with 5 lp we would have gotten some Ray Wilson 😃 As the years have gone by I have done a 180 in regards to Peter vs Phil, while I love both, I really prefer Phil live. My dream would have been for Hackett to have remained in the band and I think the live stuff would have been even more special. Love the channel
I've got the CD version and there is one reason for it: even though Vinyl is a great medium to listen to music, the fact that they have left out so many great tracks on the vinyl made me buy the CD version. Especially that "One For the Vine" is not on the vinyl kinda triggered me, because I really love the song - it's one of their masterpieces and best tunes ever produced. :) From my listening experience so far I can tell that the CD version is absolutely amazing. Even though I know all of their material pretty well (except Calling All Stations, which I barely know) the radio broadcast format is great and some songs like "Ripples" or the combo of "Dancing with the Moonlit Knight" and "Carpet Crawlers" got me goosebumps, since this was the last thing I have heard from Genesis in 2022 on the first and last time I have seen them. Until right before I heard it on CD, I didn't know they've played it before in that combination. Fabulous! Highlights apart from them: One for the Vine, Duke Suite, The Knife, Knebworth (brillant as a tour with such amazing songs!).
Enjoyed your video a lot . One thought - the album cover photo and inside photos are Knebworth 1978 but the vinyl version doesn´t contain any tracks from that show.
I bought the cd version just because there is more content on there...may have gone with vinyl if the tracklisting had been the same but may still buy it anyway! Great point regards Last Domino being a more worthwhile issue if it had been all live tracks over the years, and less likely that fans will already have all these tracks as good quality live recordings rather than the studio versions which most fans will own already either on studio albums or greatest hits collections...thanks for the post.
Banks traditionally tends not to release live versions of songs - if they appear already on the live albums - hence the deep cuts. Great idea for the live Last Domino? collection.
I can't agree enough with you that "The Last Domino?" would be much better if it was a Live greatest hits package... Did they ever released digital content to whoever bought the physical media (vinyl or CD)?
Thank you for doing this thorough video, even though I disagree with you on several points. Now I have to say that I went with the CD version because the butchered down tracklist of the LP set made no sense to me (not that the CD running order makes a lot of sense either), so I can't comment on the sound quality of the LPs. On the CDs, the Lyceum 80 tracks are the only ones that really stand out, but they do sound really splendid. But what I really wanted to point out is that I think your math is a bit wrong about the viability for fitting full shows into LPs. Their longest shows were on the 1980 tour, where they would run for something like 2h20min including talk and bander, if you cut that away, you're down to about 2 hours of music. That can be fit into a 3 LP set. Now obviously there can be obstacles in making meaningful site splits, but I just did a mockup on the Lyceum 80 show, and you could get a meaningful 3LP set out of it like this: Side A: Deep In The Motherload/Dancing With The Moonlit Knight/Carpet Crawlers/Squonk (20 mins) Side B: One For The Vine/Behind The Lines/Duchess/Guide Vocal (25 mins) Side C: Turn It On Again/Duke's Travels/Duke's End/Say It's Alright Joe (23 mins) Side D: The Lady Lies/Ripples (16 mins) Side E: In The Cage/Slippermen/Afterglow/Follow You, Follow Me (18 mins) Side F: Dance On A Volcano/Los Endos/I Know What I Like/The Knife (24 mins if you cut some of the clapping in the middle of IKWIL, alternatively relegate The Knife to end of side D) Would there be a market for such a 3LP release? Well maybe I'm coloured by my own opinion, but I certainly think there will be a much larger market than for the 3 LP mess the made here. With regards to mastering, Nick has said that all tracks on this was mixed from existing stereo masters, so no multitrack masters were used even for the laterday stuff, which is probably why you don't hear a huge sound difference. The one good thing I *can* say about this release is that I hope it can again create some hype for Genesis Live releases so that maybe we'll one day get a release of, say, the complete Drury Lane concert mixed from multitrack tapes (btw. that show was on May 5th, not the 4th like you say), or my holy grail, a complete show from the 1981 Abacab tour - but really, just a repress of Three Sides Live would do wonders, why does that one get the trash treatment every time they do a re-release run?
Received it this morning.. .unboxed but havent listened yet ... I really wish 11th Earl of Mar would be there as it was played throughout the 77 and 78 tours, but no live version has ever been released .
I bought them on both formats What saddened me about the vinyl version is they neglected to put those Ray Wilson songs on. They could have left off both the drum solos in my opinion and made room for Ray on vinyl. Thoughts? There are enough drum solo's on half of thier other live albums that it wasn't necessary on this one
They should have given the multitracks to Hugh Padgham. I always thought the original Three Sides Live mix was outstanding for a live album - never been sure of Nick Davis' work
Yep. I have both versions. Didn’t have had the time to listen to them. Did you notice that there are quite a lot of songs that are already on the Archive 2? I am curious to know if there’s a difference in sound quality. Did they clean it up further more? Also, the choice of these tours came from the fact that the overall theme is the “bbc” archive. So maybe there was no mama tour in the bbc archive. Btw, the new logo here is the font of the bbc … Thanks again for the video! 👍
Very cool idea for the Last Domino there. Well, my #1 concern with all new legacy releases is dynamic range. The 2007 remasters basically ruined all of the albums with horrible train-track compression, IMO. Abacab is especially egregious - the snare throughout has lost all of its original texture and charm. I'd hope the vinyl issues are dynamically intact, but having heard recent Police reissues, I suspect the trend is still to squash and "enlouden" things needlessly. This latest set makes me wish that Genesis simply did what King Crimson has been doing for years: Release complete live / archival recordings with little to no curation, the only care being to retain the integrity of the original performance. I am eternally grateful to Robert Fripp. This BBC set sounds kind of incomprehensible in its curation. BTW, the main Genesis logo on this set is an extension of the BBC logo in its design.
I have the Vinyl unfortunately I will never open it. I watch reviews to learn about it's sound and I will whore a digital copy. Alot of my Vinyl stays sealed.
@@njits789 nope, maybe after I die my Wife and Daughter may think that way. Just way of life the last 35 yrs has deterred me from opening records, but not from buying them
@@DarkSideOfThePepper They will actually deteriorate sealed. I bought a collection, and many of the sealed records had deteriorated. Also the outer plastic may oxidise into the records themselves. Good luck.
@@rabarebra interesting....the number.of people doing unboxing videos of 30yrs to 60yrs old records are numerous and I've only seen a couple where outer shrink stuck to cover. I've also only Ever known outer poly covers to bleed through which I have none in petroleum based covers. I also believe conditions of storage like high heat,moisture contribute to such phenomena. Besides that, I will be dead when my wife has to deal with selling my records it won't matter any more 😂
I do not own a Record player, nor CD player or Cassette. So ill wait till it on, er something eazy to access... That said. It does sound very promising...
That’s a great question. I don’t think I normally refer to them as discs. I must’ve just misspoke. Although if we’re getting technical, the term disk (disc) is derived from the same noun as dish, which is likely why they refer to the vinyl masters as plates, or even platters sometimes, round and flat, like a discus. Lol. Interesting, I’ve actually never thought of it before.
Hmmm don’t really do CDs anymore unfortunately. I listen exclusively to vinyl mostly sometimes streaming. I am very disappointed in the lack of tracks on the vinyl release tho.
@@EverythingPhilCollins I know, still stores copy-paste the CD boxset info onto their vinyl listing. Annoying when you bought it thinking it had it, without investigating it first.
WHYY?? Why is it 5 cds and 3 vinyl?? It seems like one big giant fuck up. 5 vinyl and 3cds makes so much more sense especially for the output they gave us. I feel cheated
Hey Nico, I disagree. The objective was to identify the sonic changes that Nick Davis achieved between the original and the new masters. Thanks for watching!
@@EverythingPhilCollins you can't say that a bootleg source is an original source. By its nature, the bootleg cannot be considered a viable source. indeed as it is a pirate one cannot know what was the audio source. one pirate may well sound better than another pirate, and vice versa.
@@nico63 Not all bootlegs are audience or many generation sourced radio or pure soundboard sourced. Many of the Lyceum bootlegs have come from the original BBC Pre-FM masters digitally transferred which I'll bet even these discs haven't. If you haven't heard them, how can you make that statement. I have and I have many different professionally mastered pre-fm Lyceum boots, mastered by eminant, repected pro sound engineers. Quite a few are better sounding than these official versions, believe me. These versions have only been mastered and not mixed, and haven't come from source multitrack masters anyway as is noted in the cd booklets.
Thanks for watching! Grab the boxed set on CD: geni.us/genesis-bbc-cd or VINYL: geni.us/genesis-bbc-vinyl
Purchased both. Was really hoping to have Abacab and Tonight, Tonight, Tonight from the Wembley show on vinyl.
The Genesis logo on this release is a copy of the BBC font that has been used for years. Looks fantastic.
Good to know! Yah some tracks missing imo. But still great.
I don't have this yet but I do have the satisfaction of knowing that in the helicopter shot of the Knebworth crowd in '92, I am in there somewhere!
I can see you!!
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This review is fantastic. Yes I’m a death metal RUclipsr but I love love love Genesis and Phil Collins
Thank you!!
Ordered CD on Friday. Live tracks remastered for Last Domino would have been genius!
Yah!
This version Sounds like bootleg.
My box set of GenesisBBC broadcasts arrived in the post today! Very happy now spinning it on my turn ta 19:25 ble😊
Enjoy!!!
I got the CD version and I'm just so happy! Gosh... What a great band they were through all of these decades. And I totally agree with you on the design: I really like the look, its so cool.
Awesome!
Great theories on engineering as well as track selection. I tend to agree with you and would love To hear Tony and Nick’s thinking on your intuitions. Great video. Also LOVE your idea on what the Domino box set could have been. That would have been mega!
Thanks! Glad you agree!!
💙 Just got the CD set (more songs😉👍)! Love it so far!🥰
Thanks for the great/interesting info.👏
My pleasure!!
Hi, Really enjoy Your GENESIS and Phil Collins Posts.
I am a big Fan of Genesis and Solo Projects.
Saw Genesis in Glasgow on Calling All Stations Tour, in 1998.
Keep Rockin'🎸📀🎹
RONNIE
Scotland 🏴 🏴🎸
Amazing! Thank you Ronnie!
Fantastic review! I ordered both formats b/c the CD set has more of the mid- to late 70s tracks - and yes, One for the Vine and Deep in the Motherlode are included. :)
Been listening to cd box and it is awesome. Great sound quality and fun tracks. Vinyl on the way.
Lucky!!
Hey just ordered my vinyl copy of bbc broadcasts yesterday! can't wait to get it!
Amazing! Enjoy!
Got them both on CD and vinyl. The last domino suggestion was excellent!
Would’ve been so cool….
You are officially my go to guy for all things Phil! I received my CD box set today. Just gave you a sub.
Much appreciated!!
Great video, I got the vinyl version. I agree completely about should have done 5 lp and 3 cd instead of the opposite. Of course with 5 lp we would have gotten some Ray Wilson 😃 As the years have gone by I have done a 180 in regards to Peter vs Phil, while I love both, I really prefer Phil live. My dream would have been for Hackett to have remained in the band and I think the live stuff would have been even more special. Love the channel
Well said! Agree completely! Thanks so much!
I've got the CD version and there is one reason for it: even though Vinyl is a great medium to listen to music, the fact that they have left out so many great tracks on the vinyl made me buy the CD version. Especially that "One For the Vine" is not on the vinyl kinda triggered me, because I really love the song - it's one of their masterpieces and best tunes ever produced. :)
From my listening experience so far I can tell that the CD version is absolutely amazing. Even though I know all of their material pretty well (except Calling All Stations, which I barely know) the radio broadcast format is great and some songs like "Ripples" or the combo of "Dancing with the Moonlit Knight" and "Carpet Crawlers" got me goosebumps, since this was the last thing I have heard from Genesis in 2022 on the first and last time I have seen them. Until right before I heard it on CD, I didn't know they've played it before in that combination. Fabulous!
Highlights apart from them: One for the Vine, Duke Suite, The Knife, Knebworth (brillant as a tour with such amazing songs!).
Yah I’m pretty disappointed with what they left off the vinyl version.
@@EverythingPhilCollins understandably so - it's weird :/
Enjoyed your video a lot . One thought - the album cover photo and inside photos are Knebworth 1978 but the vinyl version doesn´t contain any tracks from that show.
Interesting! Thanks for watching!
I bought the cd version just because there is more content on there...may have gone with vinyl if the tracklisting had been the same but may still buy it anyway! Great point regards Last Domino being a more worthwhile issue if it had been all live tracks over the years, and less likely that fans will already have all these tracks as good quality live recordings rather than the studio versions which most fans will own already either on studio albums or greatest hits collections...thanks for the post.
Thanks for watching!! Enjoy the CD
The "Genesis" logo on the front apes the BBC logo of the 80s.
Oh Cool!
Banks traditionally tends not to release live versions of songs - if they appear already on the live albums - hence the deep cuts.
Great idea for the live Last Domino? collection.
Thanks! Too little too late. Lol.
CD is the way to go. So much better and cheaper! need that old medley too.
Hopefully they bring it to streaming services too!
I really enjoy this channel, thanks for doing what you do.
Delicious niche comfort food 🥰
My pleasure! Thanks for saying that!
I can't agree enough with you that "The Last Domino?" would be much better if it was a Live greatest hits package... Did they ever released digital content to whoever bought the physical media (vinyl or CD)?
I don’t believe they’ve officially provided a digital release yet.
Wow! This looks amazing. Thanks for sharing!
My pleasure 😊
Thank you for doing this thorough video, even though I disagree with you on several points. Now I have to say that I went with the CD version because the butchered down tracklist of the LP set made no sense to me (not that the CD running order makes a lot of sense either), so I can't comment on the sound quality of the LPs. On the CDs, the Lyceum 80 tracks are the only ones that really stand out, but they do sound really splendid. But what I really wanted to point out is that I think your math is a bit wrong about the viability for fitting full shows into LPs. Their longest shows were on the 1980 tour, where they would run for something like 2h20min including talk and bander, if you cut that away, you're down to about 2 hours of music. That can be fit into a 3 LP set. Now obviously there can be obstacles in making meaningful site splits, but I just did a mockup on the Lyceum 80 show, and you could get a meaningful 3LP set out of it like this:
Side A: Deep In The Motherload/Dancing With The Moonlit Knight/Carpet Crawlers/Squonk (20 mins)
Side B: One For The Vine/Behind The Lines/Duchess/Guide Vocal (25 mins)
Side C: Turn It On Again/Duke's Travels/Duke's End/Say It's Alright Joe (23 mins)
Side D: The Lady Lies/Ripples (16 mins)
Side E: In The Cage/Slippermen/Afterglow/Follow You, Follow Me (18 mins)
Side F: Dance On A Volcano/Los Endos/I Know What I Like/The Knife (24 mins if you cut some of the clapping in the middle of IKWIL, alternatively relegate The Knife to end of side D)
Would there be a market for such a 3LP release? Well maybe I'm coloured by my own opinion, but I certainly think there will be a much larger market than for the 3 LP mess the made here.
With regards to mastering, Nick has said that all tracks on this was mixed from existing stereo masters, so no multitrack masters were used even for the laterday stuff, which is probably why you don't hear a huge sound difference. The one good thing I *can* say about this release is that I hope it can again create some hype for Genesis Live releases so that maybe we'll one day get a release of, say, the complete Drury Lane concert mixed from multitrack tapes (btw. that show was on May 5th, not the 4th like you say), or my holy grail, a complete show from the 1981 Abacab tour - but really, just a repress of Three Sides Live would do wonders, why does that one get the trash treatment every time they do a re-release run?
Received it this morning.. .unboxed but havent listened yet ... I really wish 11th Earl of Mar would be there as it was played throughout the 77 and 78 tours, but no live version has ever been released .
Lots of tracks I miss, but still grateful for what’s there! Some nice surprises!
I bought them on both formats What saddened me about the vinyl version is they neglected to put those Ray Wilson songs on. They could have left off both the drum solos in my opinion and made room for Ray on vinyl. Thoughts? There are enough drum solo's on half of thier other live albums that it wasn't necessary on this one
Agree. Why they didn’t add more discs is annoying. And yes, not a great setlist choice for vinyl. IMO.
They should have given the multitracks to Hugh Padgham. I always thought the original Three Sides Live mix was outstanding for a live album - never been sure of Nick Davis' work
Yep. I have both versions. Didn’t have had the time to listen to them. Did you notice that there are quite a lot of songs that are already on the Archive 2? I am curious to know if there’s a difference in sound quality. Did they clean it up further more?
Also, the choice of these tours came from the fact that the overall theme is the “bbc” archive. So maybe there was no mama tour in the bbc archive.
Btw, the new logo here is the font of the bbc …
Thanks again for the video! 👍
Yah I thought that too, I actually don’t have the archive on CD unfortunately although I do have some rips I’ve heard. Curious to hear the difference.
All things Genesis!
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CD coming tomorrow
Love it! May need to grab that set soon.
Very cool idea for the Last Domino there. Well, my #1 concern with all new legacy releases is dynamic range. The 2007 remasters basically ruined all of the albums with horrible train-track compression, IMO. Abacab is especially egregious - the snare throughout has lost all of its original texture and charm. I'd hope the vinyl issues are dynamically intact, but having heard recent Police reissues, I suspect the trend is still to squash and "enlouden" things needlessly. This latest set makes me wish that Genesis simply did what King Crimson has been doing for years: Release complete live / archival recordings with little to no curation, the only care being to retain the integrity of the original performance. I am eternally grateful to Robert Fripp. This BBC set sounds kind of incomprehensible in its curation. BTW, the main Genesis logo on this set is an extension of the BBC logo in its design.
Good thoughts! I hear ya!!
I have the Vinyl unfortunately I will never open it. I watch reviews to learn about it's sound and I will whore a digital copy. Alot of my Vinyl stays sealed.
An investment?
@@njits789 nope, maybe after I die my Wife and Daughter may think that way. Just way of life the last 35 yrs has deterred me from opening records, but not from buying them
VERY interesting approach! If it makes you happy!! Love it.
@@DarkSideOfThePepper They will actually deteriorate sealed. I bought a collection, and many of the sealed records had deteriorated. Also the outer plastic may oxidise into the records themselves. Good luck.
@@rabarebra interesting....the number.of people doing unboxing videos of 30yrs to 60yrs old records are numerous and I've only seen a couple where outer shrink stuck to cover. I've also only Ever known outer poly covers to bleed through which I have none in petroleum based covers. I also believe conditions of storage like high heat,moisture contribute to such phenomena. Besides that, I will be dead when my wife has to deal with selling my records it won't matter any more 😂
I do not own a Record player, nor CD player or Cassette. So ill wait till it on, er something eazy to access...
That said. It does sound very promising...
Yah I’m looking forward to it coming to streaming. I don’t want it on cd but I would like to hear the other tracks.
The CD version just has so much more content.
Agreed! Would've loved to have this package with more vinyl discs to fit it all!
I noticed some tape speed problems here and there.
I did too! I think it was on the '87 and '92 sides...
I thought I heard it on the Lyceum cuts as well
4:04 the 5cd set has about 52 Tracks vs 3LPs 24 tracks.
Def need to grab the CDs too, especially if they don't release on digitally.
@@EverythingPhilCollins the LP set is just a “best of”
@@EverythingPhilCollins I hope you do an unboxing of the cd set.
I'm fifty-one now, and it's very strange for me to hear you call record albums discs, when discs are CDs. Where'd you get that?
That’s a great question. I don’t think I normally refer to them as discs. I must’ve just misspoke. Although if we’re getting technical, the term disk (disc) is derived from the same noun as dish, which is likely why they refer to the vinyl masters as plates, or even platters sometimes, round and flat, like a discus. Lol. Interesting, I’ve actually never thought of it before.
why not buy the CD set instead? has twice as much music (if not more) and sounds better than the LP's. and, as a bonus it's the SAME PRICE!!!!
Hmmm don’t really do CDs anymore unfortunately. I listen exclusively to vinyl mostly sometimes streaming. I am very disappointed in the lack of tracks on the vinyl release tho.
Did you get a 40-page booklet?
Not in the vinyl package. It’s spread out over the vinyl sleeves
@@EverythingPhilCollins I know, still stores copy-paste the CD boxset info onto their vinyl listing. Annoying when you bought it thinking it had it, without investigating it first.
WHYY?? Why is it 5 cds and 3 vinyl?? It seems like one big giant fuck up. 5 vinyl and 3cds makes so much more sense especially for the output they gave us. I feel cheated
Yah I’m disappointed by that too!
And the vinyl cost €80 and the CD box cost €40 in my local store.
it makes no sense to compare bootleg records with an official record where a sound engineer worked on it.
Hey Nico, I disagree. The objective was to identify the sonic changes that Nick Davis achieved between the original and the new masters. Thanks for watching!
@@EverythingPhilCollins you can't say that a bootleg source is an original source. By its nature, the bootleg cannot be considered a viable source. indeed as it is a pirate one cannot know what was the audio source. one pirate may well sound better than another pirate, and vice versa.
@@nico63 Pretty sure that raw material from the actual tapes has been used on some boots, pretty sure.
@@nico63 Not all bootlegs are audience or many generation sourced radio or pure soundboard sourced. Many of the Lyceum bootlegs have come from the original BBC Pre-FM masters digitally transferred which I'll bet even these discs haven't. If you haven't heard them, how can you make that statement. I have and I have many different professionally mastered pre-fm Lyceum boots, mastered by eminant, repected pro sound engineers. Quite a few are better sounding than these official versions, believe me. These versions have only been mastered and not mixed, and haven't come from source multitrack masters anyway as is noted in the cd booklets.