I agree with below. Costs of grips are way too high. They used to be 3 or 4 bucks. OEM manufactures always have to outdo each other with exotic materials, designs, etc. It is there own fault.
I am an industry guy (teacher and builder) Its making our job harder as the companies now charge us more and more combating the counterfeit scourge... just had same customer issue recently, "I bought these cheap, how much to install them?" Sometimes its not about money, but principles and moral value....
Thank you for this video. I would like to add THIS to the list of common symptoms of fakes: This fake ones will begin to slip/spin/twist on the shaft (mostly the last few inches near the butt end) after only playing a round or two or maybe even one driving range session. And it won’t matter how good of a job you did installing it. Building up tape near the butt etc. No use. The fakes will always begin to slip. I suppose as a result of being a loose and sloppy fit. And on the CP2 another dead giveaway is a small dimple above the words “control core”.
not true, i bought some cheap aliexpress tour velvets for my 3 wood and driving iron, which were worn out, been using for 4 months and they are fine. cant even tell a difference with the real ones on my irons and wedges, im a 3 handi and i practice with my school team and have matches every day, its perfectly fine. just a piece of rubber 🤣🤣🤣
@@jadenngl Definitely true. In my case it was fake Golf Pride CP2’s. Tour velvets are also a favorite of mine. Never bought fake ones. I’m also a single digit handicap but I fail to see how that has any bearing on the adherence tendencies of cheap fake grips to grip tape. But you do you.
Grips in my part of the world are expensive, bought some from China online and they are fine, fraction of he price and they feel good and easy to fit yourself at home. I bought 11 for what it would cost for 2 originals and the colour options are better.... Multi compound midsized plus 4
callaway and titleist retail irons are shit and are made in china..its hardly a forge..its more of a pour ..haha www.tourspecgolf.com/callaway-apex-mb-tour-version-irons-by-miura-4-pw.html
I was curious about how expensive the real grip shown in the video was given some of the comments about the grips being too expensive. The price from Golf Pride's website is $8.49 per grip. I realize that for a full set of clubs that comes to more than $100 (not including having someone put them on for you) but is that really that expensive given the price of the clubs themselves and given the price for a single round of golf? Drop one ball in the water and you've spent most of the price of a grip. Skip two rounds of golf and all the grips are paid for. IMHO, if we should be griping about anything it's the price per round of golf and the marketing telling us that their 3 iron goes 25 yards farther than the competition even though it's likely due to the fact that their 3 iron has a 2 iron loft.
I’ve got fake Winn Dri-Tac lite grips on my wedges. I got them for £3.50 each instead of £9 each. They are fine. No problem whatsoever. Unfortunately people have to resort to fakes as the originals are severely over priced. How can company’s think charging £10-15 for a mass produced grip is fair. Baffling.
usernameunknkown I rarely pay full price for anything. I always find a deal of some sort. Can’t justify paying full whack at all. My irons have Lamkin Crosslines and same as my woods and they’re jumbo and I got 13 for £45 or something. They’re real but still way cheaper than retail. I like the wedge grips. Can’t tell they’re fake or inferior at all. Just had to wait a while as they came from China.
The prices of grips really jumped in 2009. They told us it was due to the extremely high oil prices from that year. When oil prices slid, the price of grips stayed the same.
Picked up some GP Tour Velvets at GG about 9 months ago that also chunked off when they were removed just this past weekend. They were on for only 6 months.
I bought some MCC+4 grips last year from the US cheap. I get them replaced every year but couldn't get to the city to buy and get them done at the time. They even had labels on. They said they were genuine when I asked. I noticed they were a slightly different colour but put them on anyway. I couldn't tell the difference ? Maybe they weren't fake ? Maybe just no retail markup ?
Kind of hard to feel sorry for the golf industry when so many of THOSE "American" companies have moved THEIR manufacturing overseas to save a few bucks while not passing that savings onto the consumer. Cheaper manufacturing yet MSRP prices keep going UP? Example: The Japanese USED to have to come to America and take pictures of everything that they could then use back at home to copy US manufactured items, but now that US items are manufactured in Japan (and China), we are surprised that a few examples somehow get out of the factory to other locations to be copied??? Yeah, not surprised.
I work at PGA Tour Superstore in GA. I change hundreds of grips a month. I see fake grips all the time and if a customer brings their own in. I always inspect them and 9 times out of 10 they are fake.
(Rhetorical) Who knows what type of base materials are used when the counterfeiters mold these knock-offs? Cheap manufacturing processes could very well produce noxious odors which may be dangerous to inhale. Spend a few extra bucks and buy direct from your manufacturer of choice.
Same. I play a lot and replace my grips every spring anyway. Why would I spend $125 on grips for a year when I can spend $45 when the only difference will be...it shredding when taken off? Performance is exactly the same to me over the life of the grip. Coming from a decent golfer, for what it's worth.
Being honest I think that these "fake" MCC4 are made in the same factory. Maybe not 100% the same gum quality, maybe you can see the "welding" line, but I don' think that someone out of the industry would put so much energy in making fake molds. And being, after changing it from a genuine set, I can't see a difference, except on my bank account :D
I got done too with those grips freak you out I cut one open and even inside there was a dual layer red top then over lay black only way to tell on club felt more spongy than real ones unbelievable copy's great video 😄👍
I was trying to find some replacement Titleist grips. Nowhere to be found. Looked on eBay. Some people are getting duped and paying near full price for fake Titleist grips on there. (I did not purchase them as it was clear that they were fake, people were bidding them up like crazy though)
Timely video. I just bought some Plus 4s off ebay that turned out to be fake. Reeked of gasoline. Even made my wood table I set them on smell for a week. I could not see any distinguishing features, but the smell and feel tipped me off.
I too got took a few years back on a set of Mizuno 850 on line. They were not Drastically cheaper, that’s why it didn’t throw up any red flags. But they just seemed like they didn’t have the right flight and lie. Took them in for adjustment, sure enough Counterfeit! And the seller I bought them from. Was gone like a fart in the wind.
Thanks for the Public Service Broadcast Jim and thanks for the warning, luckily I have never encountered counterfeit Goods in a golfing context. Like you, I utterly despise what these crooks are doing and in some industries, it is potentially so dangerous! Before I retired I worked in the Explosion-Protected Equipment industry that supplies equipment into Oil Refineries etc. and we were always coming across fake components from Asia & the Far East that if they had been used could have caused catastrophic accidents!
@@tigerhood1532 "OMG you drinking from the cup of buffoonery?" WTF are you talking about?????? I would suggest that you re-read my comment, I did not say or imply that anyone had been injured whilst playing Golf. I did, however, point out that in some circumstances counterfeit goods can be and are dangerous. As a, for instance, counterfeit Drugs/Medication and Auto Spare Parts have caused a number of fatalities!
@@banditbaker1675 Thanks for the clarifying your comment. It is strongly implied that fake golf equipment can cause injury and i am yet to see the evidence
@@tigerhood1532 It's my pleasure to clarify my original comment for you, but I see nothing in there that even hints at a possible link between, counterfeiting of golf equipment and the possibility of personal injury. My comments regarding "the possibility of catastrophic accidents" was clearly referring to my career in the Oil&Gas Industry. I dislike counterfeiting in all it's forms and in some industries and circumstances it could be dangerous, but golf isn't one of them. I would politely suggest that in future before you resort to accusing someone of "drinking from the cup of buffoonery" that you have understood what someone has actually written rather than reaching a conclusion based on what you thought they said. Take care & stay safe
This is going to sound real snarky, but if you look over Jim's shoulder you see what I believe are Harbor Freight tooling, ( hope I'm wrong). That being said I agree with him. I was a Union Millwright for 30 years. We started dismantling manufacturing plants in the 80's and shipping them down south or overseas (when we would much rather build them). At the time we said amongst ourselves that this wasn't smart, short term profit for long term pain. We are now seeing the cost of our quest for the lowest price.
Loved my Winn DriTac grips. When I changed shafts I got a set on ebay. Didn’t feel tacky. Comparing old to new I found very very minor differences in the mold used. Called Winn and confirmed they were fakes. Had trouble when I tried to return them, but eBay made it right in the end.
Same thing with graphite shafts. I wanted to go lighter and figured if anything going from steel to graphite would help out the wrists and elbows. Figured out approx what I needed in regards to swingweight between cutting down the shafts, new grips, etc.. Shafts were listed at 65 grams and the number on the shaft showed 65. Nope. They are 85 gram shafts.
I bought a bag of cheap grips, they looked similar to grips I like so I thought I would test them. They suck, they are splitting along the side. DO NOT BUY SAPLIZE grips. At least they didn't actually clone a big brand and they put their name on it. These grips sell for less than half the big names but they are not that cheap so you figure they are decent. THEY ARE NOT DECENT DO NOT BUY.
If you put both on a club and randomly hand one to 99+% of golfers they're never gonna know if it's real or not. Nor will they care. All I regrip with is "too good to be true" ebay grip sets(I do my own). Have played for 40yrs and dont have a single issue with ANY set I've bought. Maybe they may wear out a bit faster(i dont really see it) but i can also regrip twice and still have money left over as opposed to buying the ridiculously overpriced authentic ones. The golf grip companies have priced themselves out. They want you to pay $130+ in materials twice a yr to regrip. That's absurd. I can do it twice for $100 and play more golf with the extra $160+. You're actually silly to buy the REAL ones, not the fakes. Sorry but this is the truth.
I agree. Also, there are budget companies with grip's that are far cheaper, made in the same factory...just can't use the famous brand name...but if you change grips as often as "expert's" say to, they work just fine....now if I was setting up a set of clubs for a tour pro... Or even a challenge tour player... I'd probably make sure they were certified authentic.... 🤷
This could simply be an older batch.. I have 3 year old multi compounds that differ considerably from the newer ones. Updated molds, updated processes etc.
Had a set of 845 titanium clubs came with a corded mix wrap those came of in chunks mere months after purchasing never bought cords again. Tended to slip in my hands and left tons of blisters
Years ago I purchased a set of set of callaway x20 irons on eBay when they first came onto the market. They were only about £10 cheaper than the next priced set so I didn’t consider that they could have been copies. They played great and lasted about a year until the shafts started to break just under the grips. I had them checked by a PGA pro, he confirmed that they were fake, great copies but fake. I went back to ebay, they said that due to the length of time that I had had them they could not do anything. Be careful out there.
Im new to golf abd this is my worst nightmare. I want to upgrade from an older set I was given to a slightly used (3-5 yr old) one. Just not ready to shell out for brand new yet as my game is still developing but it looks like I don't have a choice.
we could call all callaway irons made by callaway fake...because the ones for tour are made by miura in japan..not in china . www.tourspecgolf.com/callaway-apex-mb-tour-version-irons-by-miura-4-pw.html
Yeah this does suck. I've only been golfing a few months w/a given set. I'm looking to upgrade soon to a better 3-5 yr old set (not ready to shell out when my games still developing). The thought of having to get a brand new temporary starter set to avoid someone offloading a fake they bought maddens me. I'd rather save the money and get the set I really want.
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@Deacon Enoch Thanks for your reply. I found the site thru google and I'm trying it out now. Looks like it's gonna take quite some time so I will get back to you later with my results.
Yes, I have some of those grips you were showing here. Fortunately the real ones lol. Pro or not, I would rather have the real ones. Highly doubt performance would be the same.
USA manufacturing went overseas and counterfeiting became popular. Not just grips. You can get ripped off on clubs and other illegally reproduced cloned items.
I had fake CP2 pros installed at driving range by one of their staff. I knew something was wrong bc I’ve played plenty of them and they didn’t feel right. I took it to my local store and had them put the real ones. Went back to the range and they were cool about it and gave me free tokens to the tune of $25 to compensate me
Man, counterfeiting an $8.00 grip? Thats crazy. What kind of profit margin can there be, because Golf Pride probably makes the real deal for about $1.00. Makes you wonder who is ripping off who
I bought a G400 PING Hybrid off of EBay and it did NOT have the distinct "tink" sound of the genuine article. And I know what a PING Hybrid should sound like because I have two others. Fortunately the Seller was reputable and paid for shipping back to their facility and the refund.
Yeah but I can buy 39 of the fakes for the price of 13 real ones. The quality of the fakes today is just as good for the average golfer. I have the real ones I paid to get put on. I put the fakes on a few not knowing till someone told me and literally can’t tell. Will they last 3 years? No but neither will my real ones lol
Strange I got some clubs from global golf that had grips just like that. They felt strange and came off like shit. Changed the grips and the clubs them self feel good though.
I've been re-gripping my clubs for a few yrs. I purchased a package of 8 New Golf Pride CP2 Wraps on eBay for $70.00 delivered. In 15+ yrs, I have never been ripped off... until this purchase. I have was refunded my money this morning, but the point to me is that eBay is a dying platform due to idiots like this seller. I knew I had an issue from the getgo, with this video sealing the deal for me. This is what I found during install: when sliding on the grip there was almost no resistance/the mineral spirits coming out of the butt cap was removing all of the lettering & design off as I dried it lightly with a rag/as depicted in this video the crown portion of the cap was a different diameter and had no rounded side at all/the spacing on the "piping" design was different/the grips were floppy and WORST OF ALL, the inner diameter was too large, preventing the grip from seating and glue activation from occurring. While removing them today, I could twist the grips anyway I wanted after 24 hrs. Dangerous as well. I am done with eBay.
I get great results on Ebay and use it all the time, BUT I'm EXTREMELY careful about feedback ratings and sometimes spend a while trying to find someone with a good ratio. A few negatives are sometimes okay but there are sellers getting 1000 negatives per month and still have 99.7 ratings! The trick is they get 10,000 positive feedbacks--that's the problem--MOST America doesn't recognize junk when they get it, or they "review" a transaction before they fully test the product. Ebay is a tool, feedback ratings are a tool, and used together one can get pretty good and consistent results. But I did just get a bad cell-phone battery because the seller or shipper ruined it when packaging it. Not a big deal if I lose seven dollars though. The Golf Prides I just got from Ebay are great and I paid a proper price for them.
Had some "no name" grips that looked just like golf pride multicompounds. Felt the same, but after one season the rubber had become slick and harder than the original grips. I had to grip the club firmer, which affected my swing. Bad choice, just to save a few bucks.
I got stung once with some fake golf pride grips....looked weird and had a really weird rubber smell about them. Felt Awful, hard and we absolutely useless in the wet. When I cut them off a few weeks later they came off in pieces like yours. I thought these were originals from the eBay listings but they were so not. Only buy from proper bonafide suppliers now.
Counterfeits are good for the golf industry. Nobody will trust buying a quality equipment second hand because of it. Anyone who wants a good set of clubs or accessory will go to a specialized store instead. It makes me wonder who really is behind all of this counterfeiting.
actually it can be a tell tale to the way it would deteriorate under use. either very very or just break into pieces. People will assume its the same rubber in the same process just different when that is the furthest from the truth.
If golf brands stopped costing the average golfer out of the market then these products wouldn't becoming so popular. Golf sadly is an elitist sport because of the cost of new equipment. I play second hand equipment but it's hard to keep up with people that have the ability to invest heavily in new technology.
Got a Scotty Cameron fake off of eBay last year... The grip had a terrible chemical smell to it along with many other tell tale signs. Most people wouldn't know the difference if they didn't really investigate. I did get my money back, but eBay continued to let this clown sell this crapola.
I had counterfeits before and i can't tell. You pointing out shit that is cosmetic. Does the club slip from the hands, does it rip off after a couple rounds. If not, just play golf and enjoy the discount. Who wants to pay 10-14 bucks for one grip. That's the real rip off
I brought a set of taylor made burner irons on ebay that were fake they was feom a green maintanence company so thoughtnwould be legit. I hit first shot and knew they were fake. Grip smelt cheap and 7 iron or 5 iron didnt have serial number on clubhead. Gold pro sorted it for me and got money back off ebay thank god
I got really cheap ones online. They are fine. It's just a lump of rubber for God's sake. They work just as well as the very expensive ones and look exactly the same. If the genuine ones weren't so damn expensive then people wouldn't need to shop around. That is reality.
100% agree after watching the golf addict. if you suck, you suck and if a 13 handicapper can make birdies with fakes, all these videos of fakes is a complete joke
scotty cameron waited for the ping patent to run out and starting making circle t (ping anser) in his basement but with ping..they were copper beryllium..today $500 per kg..the circle t for tour is made in the golds factory in japan and use german stainless steel at $12 per kg..the retail version is made by scotty and is normal stainless at $9 per kilo...both are a fake ping anser..no matter how you cut it...then we have tigerwoods..miura stamped irons and sells replicas for a higher price than the muiras..then we have pxg..not fake but in a way worse...its high priced shit..titleist are also forged in china same place as callaway..and its hardly a forge..its more of a pour and for tour..callaway also get miura to make their irons www.tourspecgolf.com/callaway-apex-mb-tour-version-irons-by-miura-4-pw.html
Are golfpride grips manufactured in china.? If they are, then I don't see the difference anyhow. If they are made in china to begin with, what's stopping the china manufacturer from making some knockoffs from the same machines. This is what happens when American companiesake stuff in china.
not a fan of china made either, however I dont think they are made in chine proper. in either case if they were it does not guarantee they are made to the same spec or quality and typically they are not
Nothing wrong with fakes at all and a fraction of the price. Work exactly the same,who looking at the writing or whether the dome on the end is bigger or smaller!! Your talking out of your Arse and you know it.. Do a video on how much we get ripped off on the price of these things rather then go on about ridiculous things like the writing or how much they smell!! They all smell of rubber then once you put them on they smell of white spirit.. Maybe say something on how expensive these grips are compared to the fakes It’s so much gap it’s a big con… If they lowered there prices there would be no market for fakes…
The Chinese culture is built on ripping off real products! Chinesium garbage floods sites like wish, alibabba, amazon, eBay etc. A local guy was trying to sell an M6 driver. It was a terrible knock off. A buddy of mine bought one from the same guy (I think he has several that he's trying to market as cheaper used). We broke the head in 4 holes. We found him trying to sell another one. We met him and asked him politely for a refund, we he refused, we let him know that we're getting a refund. My buddy had his money back in seconds. I told him I'd keep an eye on the ads, if he tries to sell another one, we'd come back. If he advertised these as fakes and sold them as such... buyer beware. He was absolutely scamming.
I have mixed OEM CP2’s and fakes, can’t tell the difference. I’m pretty sure they came from the same factory. Bought 13 fakes for the price of two.
I agree with below. Costs of grips are way too high. They used to be 3 or 4 bucks. OEM manufactures always have to outdo each other with exotic materials, designs, etc. It is there own fault.
I am an industry guy (teacher and builder) Its making our job harder as the companies now charge us more and more combating the counterfeit scourge...
just had same customer issue recently, "I bought these cheap, how much to install them?"
Sometimes its not about money, but principles and moral value....
Thank you for this video. I would like to add THIS to the list of common symptoms of fakes:
This fake ones will begin to slip/spin/twist on the shaft (mostly the last few inches near the butt end) after only playing a round or two or maybe even one driving range session. And it won’t matter how good of a job you did installing it. Building up tape near the butt etc. No use. The fakes will always begin to slip. I suppose as a result of being a loose and sloppy fit.
And on the CP2 another dead giveaway is a small dimple above the words “control core”.
not true, i bought some cheap aliexpress tour velvets for my 3 wood and driving iron, which were worn out, been using for 4 months and they are fine. cant even tell a difference with the real ones on my irons and wedges, im a 3 handi and i practice with my school team and have matches every day, its perfectly fine. just a piece of rubber 🤣🤣🤣
@@jadenngl Definitely true. In my case it was fake Golf Pride CP2’s. Tour velvets are also a favorite of mine. Never bought fake ones. I’m also a single digit handicap but I fail to see how that has any bearing on the adherence tendencies of cheap fake grips to grip tape. But you do you.
Grips in my part of the world are expensive, bought some from China online and they are fine, fraction of he price and they feel good and easy to fit yourself at home. I bought 11 for what it would cost for 2 originals and the colour options are better....
Multi compound midsized plus 4
glad it worked out for you
$100 for 10 or $20 for 10....I’ll take the fakes
callaway and titleist retail irons are shit and are made in china..its hardly a forge..its more of a pour ..haha www.tourspecgolf.com/callaway-apex-mb-tour-version-irons-by-miura-4-pw.html
If you buy fakes you cant remove and replace them.on once and you.miggt be lucky
I was curious about how expensive the real grip shown in the video was given some of the comments about the grips being too expensive. The price from Golf Pride's website is $8.49 per grip. I realize that for a full set of clubs that comes to more than $100 (not including having someone put them on for you) but is that really that expensive given the price of the clubs themselves and given the price for a single round of golf? Drop one ball in the water and you've spent most of the price of a grip. Skip two rounds of golf and all the grips are paid for.
IMHO, if we should be griping about anything it's the price per round of golf and the marketing telling us that their 3 iron goes 25 yards farther than the competition even though it's likely due to the fact that their 3 iron has a 2 iron loft.
I’ve got fake Winn Dri-Tac lite grips on my wedges. I got them for £3.50 each instead of £9 each. They are fine. No problem whatsoever. Unfortunately people have to resort to fakes as the originals are severely over priced. How can company’s think charging £10-15 for a mass produced grip is fair. Baffling.
I just ordered some from Aliexpress. I'm going to do a comprehensive review; weights, measurements, etc. I'll never pay retail for real grips again.
usernameunknkown I rarely pay full price for anything. I always find a deal of some sort. Can’t justify paying full whack at all. My irons have Lamkin Crosslines and same as my woods and they’re jumbo and I got 13 for £45 or something. They’re real but still way cheaper than retail. I like the wedge grips. Can’t tell they’re fake or inferior at all. Just had to wait a while as they came from China.
@@usernameunknkown Have you bought from aliexpress before?
@@tigerhood1532 All the time. The grips were shit though. They were midsize with no +4. Terrible counterfeit.
@@usernameunknkown . I appreciate the honest feedback. I honestly could not care less who play real or fake. to each his own
Stop price gauging the products and counterfeiting may stop.
The prices of grips really jumped in 2009. They told us it was due to the extremely high oil prices from that year. When oil prices slid, the price of grips stayed the same.
Exactly $12 for a piece of rubber and you have to buy 13. That’s $150 before install.
Picked up some GP Tour Velvets at GG about 9 months ago that also chunked off when they were removed just this past weekend. They were on for only 6 months.
I bought some MCC+4 grips last year from the US cheap. I get them replaced every year but couldn't get to the city to buy and get them done at the time. They even had labels on. They said they were genuine when I asked. I noticed they were a slightly different colour but put them on anyway. I couldn't tell the difference ? Maybe they weren't fake ? Maybe just no retail markup ?
Kind of hard to feel sorry for the golf industry when so many of THOSE "American" companies have moved THEIR manufacturing overseas to save a few bucks while not passing that savings onto the consumer. Cheaper manufacturing yet MSRP prices keep going UP? Example: The Japanese USED to have to come to America and take pictures of everything that they could then use back at home to copy US manufactured items, but now that US items are manufactured in Japan (and China), we are surprised that a few examples somehow get out of the factory to other locations to be copied??? Yeah, not surprised.
How flexible would the fake grip be if you took the shaft out of it?
I work at PGA Tour Superstore in GA. I change hundreds of grips a month. I see fake grips all the time and if a customer brings their own in. I always inspect them and 9 times out of 10 they are fake.
The other dead give away I've seen working in the shop at my work is the smell. Fakes usually smell like can of spray paint.
(Rhetorical) Who knows what type of base materials are used when the counterfeiters mold these knock-offs? Cheap manufacturing processes could very well produce noxious odors which may be dangerous to inhale. Spend a few extra bucks and buy direct from your manufacturer of choice.
I bought a set of fake mcc +4 grips just to see and they were pretty decent for 45$
Same. I play a lot and replace my grips every spring anyway. Why would I spend $125 on grips for a year when I can spend $45 when the only difference will be...it shredding when taken off? Performance is exactly the same to me over the life of the grip. Coming from a decent golfer, for what it's worth.
Agreed. They play the same. Maybe wear a bit faster.
Being honest I think that these "fake" MCC4 are made in the same factory. Maybe not 100% the same gum quality, maybe you can see the "welding" line, but I don' think that someone out of the industry would put so much energy in making fake molds. And being, after changing it from a genuine set, I can't see a difference, except on my bank account :D
I wonder if the weight is different as well? The fake could be heavier and effect the swing weight.
quite possible but since they came off in pieces ,,, I guess I could have weighed them together
made me appreciate golf pride, i haven't looked close the at the built quality.
I got done too with those grips freak you out I cut one open and even inside there was a dual layer red top then over lay black only way to tell on club felt more spongy than real ones unbelievable copy's great video 😄👍
I was trying to find some replacement Titleist grips. Nowhere to be found. Looked on eBay. Some people are getting duped and paying near full price for fake Titleist grips on there. (I did not purchase them as it was clear that they were fake, people were bidding them up like crazy though)
Timely video. I just bought some Plus 4s off ebay that turned out to be fake. Reeked of gasoline. Even made my wood table I set them on smell for a week. I could not see any distinguishing features, but the smell and feel tipped me off.
I usually buy from golf works but I had no ideas fake grips are out there. Thanks for the info.
Just talked to the guys at Golfworks and they sometimes get fakes there too. It is a machine out there
Wow how does that work if they are dealing directly with manufacturers or manufacturers chosen distributors. The distributor is cheating people then
I too got took a few years back on a set of Mizuno 850 on line. They were not Drastically cheaper, that’s why it didn’t throw up any red flags. But they just seemed like they didn’t have the right flight and lie. Took them in for adjustment, sure enough Counterfeit! And the seller I bought them from. Was gone like a fart in the wind.
Thanks for the Public Service Broadcast Jim and thanks for the warning, luckily I have never encountered counterfeit Goods in a golfing context. Like you, I utterly despise what these crooks are doing and in some industries, it is potentially so dangerous! Before I retired I worked in the Explosion-Protected Equipment industry that supplies equipment into Oil Refineries etc. and we were always coming across fake components from Asia & the Far East that if they had been used could have caused catastrophic accidents!
OMG you drinking from the cup of buffoonery? Bandit Baker have you known any person that got injured playing a fake golf club?
@@tigerhood1532
"OMG you drinking from the cup of buffoonery?" WTF are you talking about??????
I would suggest that you re-read my comment, I did not say or imply that anyone had been injured whilst playing Golf. I did, however, point out that in some circumstances counterfeit goods can be and are dangerous. As a, for instance, counterfeit Drugs/Medication and Auto Spare Parts have caused a number of fatalities!
@@banditbaker1675 Thanks for the clarifying your comment. It is strongly implied that fake golf equipment can cause injury and i am yet to see the evidence
@@tigerhood1532 It's my pleasure to clarify my original comment for you, but I see nothing in there that even hints at a possible link between, counterfeiting of golf equipment and the possibility of personal injury. My comments regarding "the possibility of catastrophic accidents" was clearly referring to my career in the Oil&Gas Industry.
I dislike counterfeiting in all it's forms and in some industries and circumstances it could be dangerous, but golf isn't one of them.
I would politely suggest that in future before you resort to accusing someone of "drinking from the cup of buffoonery" that you have understood what someone has actually written rather than reaching a conclusion based on what you thought they said.
Take care & stay safe
@@banditbaker1675 You could not say it any better. thanks again
This is going to sound real snarky, but if you look over Jim's shoulder you see what I believe are Harbor Freight tooling, ( hope I'm wrong). That being said I agree with him.
I was a Union Millwright for 30 years. We started dismantling manufacturing plants in the 80's and shipping them down south or overseas (when we would much rather build them). At the time we said amongst ourselves that this wasn't smart, short term profit for long term pain. We are now seeing the cost of our quest for the lowest price.
Loved my Winn DriTac grips. When I changed shafts I got a set on ebay.
Didn’t feel tacky. Comparing old to new I found very very minor differences in the mold used. Called Winn and confirmed they were fakes. Had trouble when I tried to return them, but eBay made it right in the end.
IS that seller still selling on Ebay? thanks.
Same thing with graphite shafts. I wanted to go lighter and figured if anything going from steel to graphite would help out the wrists and elbows. Figured out approx what I needed in regards to swingweight between cutting down the shafts, new grips, etc.. Shafts were listed at 65 grams and the number on the shaft showed 65. Nope. They are 85 gram shafts.
The colour of fake grips tends to run when solvent touches them plus they get hard and shinny quickly.
Never had much luck with chinesium. Gladly pay a bit more for the real deal
That is awesome Chinesium lol
I have seen those 30$ bundles for grips online Jim. Also so many brands we’ve never heard of! Nice vid.
I bought a bag of cheap grips, they looked similar to grips I like so I thought I would test them. They suck, they are splitting along the side. DO NOT BUY SAPLIZE grips. At least they didn't actually clone a big brand and they put their name on it. These grips sell for less than half the big names but they are not that cheap so you figure they are decent. THEY ARE NOT DECENT DO NOT BUY.
Any idea where the grips were bought?
If you put both on a club and randomly hand one to 99+% of golfers they're never gonna know if it's real or not. Nor will they care. All I regrip with is "too good to be true" ebay grip sets(I do my own). Have played for 40yrs and dont have a single issue with ANY set I've bought. Maybe they may wear out a bit faster(i dont really see it) but i can also regrip twice and still have money left over as opposed to buying the ridiculously overpriced authentic ones. The golf grip companies have priced themselves out. They want you to pay $130+ in materials twice a yr to regrip. That's absurd. I can do it twice for $100 and play more golf with the extra $160+. You're actually silly to buy the REAL ones, not the fakes. Sorry but this is the truth.
I agree. Also, there are budget companies with grip's that are far cheaper, made in the same factory...just can't use the famous brand name...but if you change grips as often as "expert's" say to, they work just fine....now if I was setting up a set of clubs for a tour pro... Or even a challenge tour player... I'd probably make sure they were certified authentic.... 🤷
Bought fake cp2 by mistake and the paint came off when putting it on, grips were binned pronto 😖
This could simply be an older batch.. I have 3 year old multi compounds that differ considerably from the newer ones.
Updated molds, updated processes etc.
The way they rip off in chunks like he said, is a definite giveaway they are not the same at all.
Thats a good point, however, 've been with this model since the inception and the groove pattern is too deep and the end caps were never flat.
Fair points.
Had a set of 845 titanium clubs came with a corded mix wrap those came of in chunks mere months after purchasing never bought cords again. Tended to slip in my hands and left tons of blisters
Years ago I purchased a set of set of callaway x20 irons on eBay when they first came onto the market. They were only about £10 cheaper than the next priced set so I didn’t consider that they could have been copies. They played great and lasted about a year until the shafts started to break just under the grips. I had them checked by a PGA pro, he confirmed that they were fake, great copies but fake. I went back to ebay, they said that due to the length of time that I had had them they could not do anything. Be careful out there.
Im new to golf abd this is my worst nightmare. I want to upgrade from an older set I was given to a slightly used (3-5 yr old) one. Just not ready to shell out for brand new yet as my game is still developing but it looks like I don't have a choice.
we could call all callaway irons made by callaway fake...because the ones for tour are made by miura in japan..not in china . www.tourspecgolf.com/callaway-apex-mb-tour-version-irons-by-miura-4-pw.html
In my country, a single golf grip is the price of several decent meals so guess which route I'm taking
Yeah this does suck. I've only been golfing a few months w/a given set. I'm looking to upgrade soon to a better 3-5 yr old set (not ready to shell out when my games still developing). The thought of having to get a brand new temporary starter set to avoid someone offloading a fake they bought maddens me. I'd rather save the money and get the set I really want.
I use these grips for stability and comfort. That’s good to know.
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Yes, I have some of those grips you were showing here. Fortunately the real ones lol. Pro or not, I would rather have the real ones. Highly doubt performance would be the same.
Peter Finch has a VLOG where he buys a fake Taylormade driver and compares it to his real driver. Worth watching.
Rick Sheil did the same thing and it is very telling
So what state are you in? I need to get fit.
southern Ohio about an hour south of columbus
USA manufacturing went overseas and counterfeiting became popular. Not just grips. You can get ripped off on clubs and other illegally reproduced cloned items.
Hell fake clubs have even turned up in stores. Pretty sure I tried some from Dicks awhile ago. Didn’t buy just didn’t feel right
I had fake CP2 pros installed at driving range by one of their staff. I knew something was wrong bc I’ve played plenty of them and they didn’t feel right. I took it to my local store and had them put the real ones. Went back to the range and they were cool about it and gave me free tokens to the tune of $25 to compensate me
Very good advice.
Fakes usually smell like gasoline!
Man, counterfeiting an $8.00 grip? Thats crazy. What kind of profit margin can there be, because Golf Pride probably makes the real deal for about $1.00. Makes you wonder who is ripping off who
Would I buy fake clubs? No way.
But fake grips? I wouldn’t really care and besides that, the average golfer would never feel the difference.
Depends on your sensitivities to feel. I'm quite sensitive to irregularities and I'm no better than Joe Golfer, but I do play tour blades...
I bought a G400 PING Hybrid off of EBay and it did NOT have the distinct "tink" sound of the genuine article. And I know what a PING Hybrid should sound like because I have two others. Fortunately the Seller was reputable and paid for shipping back to their facility and the refund.
Yeah but I can buy 39 of the fakes for the price of 13 real ones. The quality of the fakes today is just as good for the average golfer. I have the real ones I paid to get put on. I put the fakes on a few not knowing till someone told me and literally can’t tell. Will they last 3 years? No but neither will my real ones lol
Strange I got some clubs from global golf that had grips just like that. They felt strange and came off like shit. Changed the grips and the clubs them self feel good though.
I'm not sure, was that the REAL Jim McCleery?
I wonder sometimes too.
Awesome content Jim. People need to really be careful where the grips are coming from. Thanks Jim
I've been re-gripping my clubs for a few yrs. I purchased a package of 8 New Golf Pride CP2 Wraps on eBay for $70.00 delivered. In 15+ yrs, I have never been ripped off... until this purchase. I have was refunded my money this morning, but the point to me is that eBay is a dying platform due to idiots like this seller. I knew I had an issue from the getgo, with this video sealing the deal for me. This is what I found during install: when sliding on the grip there was almost no resistance/the mineral spirits coming out of the butt cap was removing all of the lettering & design off as I dried it lightly with a rag/as depicted in this video the crown portion of the cap was a different diameter and had no rounded side at all/the spacing on the "piping" design was different/the grips were floppy and WORST OF ALL, the inner diameter was too large, preventing the grip from seating and glue activation from occurring. While removing them today, I could twist the grips anyway I wanted after 24 hrs. Dangerous as well. I am done with eBay.
I get great results on Ebay and use it all the time, BUT I'm EXTREMELY careful about feedback ratings and sometimes spend a while trying to find someone with a good ratio. A few negatives are sometimes okay but there are sellers getting 1000 negatives per month and still have 99.7 ratings! The trick is they get 10,000 positive feedbacks--that's the problem--MOST America doesn't recognize junk when they get it, or they "review" a transaction before they fully test the product. Ebay is a tool, feedback ratings are a tool, and used together one can get pretty good and consistent results.
But I did just get a bad cell-phone battery because the seller or shipper ruined it when packaging it. Not a big deal if I lose seven dollars though. The Golf Prides I just got from Ebay are great and I paid a proper price for them.
If you look on alibaba theyre everywhere. Just gonna keep buying from golfworks...
Had some "no name" grips that looked just like golf pride multicompounds. Felt the same, but after one season the rubber had become slick and harder than the original grips. I had to grip the club firmer, which affected my swing. Bad choice, just to save a few bucks.
They look like they are different size even though both say standard. Could just be the way it shows up on camera.
If you look the tread is deeper and more aggressive and probably smaller. no real QA
The ends were a different size it looked like to me also...the copies were smaller..
I got stung once with some fake golf pride grips....looked weird and had a really weird rubber smell about them. Felt Awful, hard and we absolutely useless in the wet. When I cut them off a few weeks later they came off in pieces like yours. I thought these were originals from the eBay listings but they were so not. Only buy from proper bonafide suppliers now.
you are correct sir
Counterfeits are good for the golf industry. Nobody will trust buying a quality equipment second hand because of it. Anyone who wants a good set of clubs or accessory will go to a specialized store instead. It makes me wonder who really is behind all of this counterfeiting.
The worst are Mizuno copies. They can look decent but...the chrome is covering a CAST club. Forget about nothing feels like a Mizuno...
Sorry, but the way a grip comes off is irelevant to the performance of the grip. Another point, grips are too expensive.
actually it can be a tell tale to the way it would deteriorate under use. either very very or just break into pieces. People will assume its the same rubber in the same process just different when that is the furthest from the truth.
I always buy from a reputable company, I'm never Amazon, eBay, afraid of getting counterfeit grips.
what about weight ?
Didn’t check but I would think that they are different between each one
I honestly dont mind it that much if they dont even print it as Golf Pride. Its cheap, it works...meh
If golf brands stopped costing the average golfer out of the market then these products wouldn't becoming so popular.
Golf sadly is an elitist sport because of the cost of new equipment.
I play second hand equipment but it's hard to keep up with people that have the ability to invest heavily in new technology.
Grips are far too expensive £30 for a fat putter grip ?!!!
Got a Scotty Cameron fake off of eBay last year... The grip had a terrible chemical smell to it along with many other tell tale signs. Most people wouldn't know the difference if they didn't really investigate. I did get my money back, but eBay continued to let this clown sell this crapola.
scotty's are some of the most copied clubs
Have you ever seen a Knight or Warrior cheap club knock off? NEVER, because they only replicate the best. its just awful
I had counterfeits before and i can't tell. You pointing out shit that is cosmetic. Does the club slip from the hands, does it rip off after a couple rounds. If not, just play golf and enjoy the discount. Who wants to pay 10-14 bucks for one grip. That's the real rip off
I brought a set of taylor made burner irons on ebay that were fake they was feom a green maintanence company so thoughtnwould be legit. I hit first shot and knew they were fake. Grip smelt cheap and 7 iron or 5 iron didnt have serial number on clubhead. Gold pro sorted it for me and got money back off ebay thank god
I don’t mind the fake grips as long as they do what they’re supposed to do.
I got really cheap ones online. They are fine. It's just a lump of rubber for God's sake. They work just as well as the very expensive ones and look exactly the same. If the genuine ones weren't so damn expensive then people wouldn't need to shop around. That is reality.
But you will still take the money to install them
If they still wanted them then the work is the work. So yup taking the pay
For the job
A golf club is not worth $450, u pay for the name opie! It’s the person swinging the club, not the club. Like the grip makes a difference.
everyone has there own opinion, your just happens to be incorrect.
100% agree after watching the golf addict. if you suck, you suck and if a 13 handicapper can make birdies with fakes, all these videos of fakes is a complete joke
The fake looks like a better grip. But I like the aggressive cut outs
if you had both, you would not think that, The aggressive tread would have lasted only a few rounds.
scotty cameron waited for the ping patent to run out and starting making circle t (ping anser) in his basement but with ping..they were copper beryllium..today $500 per kg..the circle t for tour is made in the golds factory in japan and use german stainless steel at $12 per kg..the retail version is made by scotty and is normal stainless at $9 per kilo...both are a fake ping anser..no matter how you cut it...then we have tigerwoods..miura stamped irons and sells replicas for a higher price than the muiras..then we have pxg..not fake but in a way worse...its high priced shit..titleist are also forged in china same place as callaway..and its hardly a forge..its more of a pour and for tour..callaway also get miura to make their irons www.tourspecgolf.com/callaway-apex-mb-tour-version-irons-by-miura-4-pw.html
I buy counterfeit. No different. 3rd of the price.
Are golfpride grips manufactured in china.? If they are, then I don't see the difference anyhow. If they are made in china to begin with, what's stopping the china manufacturer from making some knockoffs from the same machines. This is what happens when American companiesake stuff in china.
not a fan of china made either, however I dont think they are made in chine proper. in either case if they were it does not guarantee they are made to the same spec or quality and typically they are not
Nothing wrong with fakes at all and a fraction of the price.
Work exactly the same,who looking at the writing or whether the dome on the end is bigger or smaller!!
Your talking out of your Arse and you know it..
Do a video on how much we get ripped off on the price of these things rather then go on about ridiculous things like the writing or how much they smell!!
They all smell of rubber then once you put them on they smell of white spirit..
Maybe say something on how expensive these grips are compared to the fakes
It’s so much gap it’s a big con…
If they lowered there prices there would be no market for fakes…
If you have to rely on your grip, your game already sucks.
I dunno the grip is the one of the first basics for better golfer. If the grips is working then its one less thing to worry about
Probably got the fake one from Amazon
The Chinese culture is built on ripping off real products! Chinesium garbage floods sites like wish, alibabba, amazon, eBay etc. A local guy was trying to sell an M6 driver. It was a terrible knock off. A buddy of mine bought one from the same guy (I think he has several that he's trying to market as cheaper used). We broke the head in 4 holes. We found him trying to sell another one. We met him and asked him politely for a refund, we he refused, we let him know that we're getting a refund. My buddy had his money back in seconds. I told him I'd keep an eye on the ads, if he tries to sell another one, we'd come back. If he advertised these as fakes and sold them as such... buyer beware. He was absolutely scamming.
Fakes are just as good if not better and fraction of price
As you can tell from the video I disagree.