I don't really think prayers should be viewed as a secondary aspect of gameplay, considering combat in OSRS boils down to: - click prayer - click floor - click food / potion - gear swap - click boss I like the idea of God alignments and having different builds for different content, or allowing more build diversity in multi-person raids (for example a 4-man Tob having one guy with guthix, one with ruinous, and two with seren). It's something the game will really benefit from. People saying it doesn't "feel Old-school" are the same reddit Andy's that don't realize 95% of the content they engage with didn't exist in 2007. It's a good thing that new content is added. I feel like them being prayers keeps in line with RuneScapes unique gameplay. The difficulty of OSRS combat doesn't come from memorizing 18 button rotations and dodging swirlies on the floor (retail wow), it comes from precisely timed, accurate clicking, with regular rhythm, minimal mistakes, and over the course of a long time. Basically, it's mechanical skill + endurance. Prayers like the seren one that require you to coordinate and attack on the same tick fit really well with this. So do the ones emphasizing build diversity (the weapon swap ones). The healing guthix one as well, for having to maintain high hp and close proximity to allies. These are all VERY Old-school RuneScape type abilities. Overall I don't trust the "community's" opinion on this to much as the people that cry on Twitter or Reddit are typically either trash at the game, maxed mains that bought GM and bank stand all day and don't want "their achievements devalued", or 1600 total level irons that have never seen a raid because "it's so gate kept omg I have to TALK to OTHER PEOPLE to do CONTENT in an MMORPG???"
@@0ceanCS I have a maxed Ironman and have recently been playing a UIM that's at 1600 total Also "it will ruin the game" with no follow up points is not an argument, you are exactly the type of people I'm talking about
@@PIVfirestarkproduconI’m not bothered thinking/not very smart but I’m just gunna firmly say again, this will be fucking terrible for the game. I really don’t get how you don’t see that
I wish people would just let shit cook for a minute. Let us refine the prayers and see what happens. It looks like such a cool update that is deeply tied to the lore of the gods. Which is directly related to prayer..
Yup. The skill rebalancing changes they announced yesterday everyone on twitter was quick to hate but most of the changes make sense. Most people need a content creator to tell them it’s not bad I think
@@nerveh4wkI thought the project rebalance stuff was basically perfect, and I thought the god alignment stuff was a mess. I really love the concept of God alignments, I just think they need to step back and simplify. My original thought was that each god would get a single prayer. Also, I thought they were all supposed to be functional all the time, without a clear meta for different content (the Shattered Relics issue), with different alignments catering to different play styles rather than different content. An idea I've had is to weaken protection prayers in exchange for some other buff - maybe you take 10% chip damage through prayer, but you still get say 25% damage reduction with the incorrect prayer. It would be a choice that would make it easier to get into things like solo GWD, DKs, and inferno by reducing the punishment for mistakes in exchange for constant chip damage.
There are some content creators who I feel really do not enjoy the game anymore but play it because it gives views. This makes for pretty toxic stuff. These prayers definitely need to be looked at carefully but I'm also all for it as long as they make sense
yeh pretty much why anything creators like Jimmy and 9Rain say should be taken with a giant pile of salt. They both openly state they don't enjoy large parts of the game.@@EastOfEden96
Osrs is just toxic. Always was and always will be doesn't have anything to do about streamers streaming it bc they don't like it. Look at pking community... All you pve players shot down every poll for any pking updates just because they don't like pkers... For years
Lololol, looks like someone is getting angy. Just because people dont vite with you, doesnt mean its out of spite. If im a pvm andy, why would i vote for stuff that would make it harder/longer/more annoying for me to pvm? People are selfish, they want things that will help/make things easier. It's not always spite. Goodluck lol @ianp6994
Love your videos so much! Watch everything the minute it’s released. The quality and everything, plus your voice and the script - always superb. 10/10!
With the removal of Seren's alignment, my favorite announced prayer is now not part of the initial update (or ever), Slumber being a great tool to bridge the huge herblore gap for IM toward antivenoms. So that's kinda sucks.
I had a longer version of this video in more detail talking about all the positives and I immediately thought about how many ironmen would love this (although, there is cure poison on lunars as an anti venom alternative that’s pretty effective)
I think what I would like to see is more utility out of prayer. I know it’s technically a combat stat, but having some prayers be used in skilling could be cool. For exemple, I think I remember one of the proposed prayers for dt2 would drain prayer points instead of run energy when running. Stuff like that
Thanks for the breakdown of all the "controversy". I'm just getting back into OSRS over the past month after playing from 2005-2009. The Zaros lore was always my favorite as a kid, so when I saw the official update saying they were thinking about giving him his own set of prayers, I thought it was pretty cool. Then when they made the follow-up post a few days later, walking back many of their originally proposed ideas, I was confused about what the problem was. After such a long hiatus, I don't really know what the community is looking for these days. This video helped put the concerns into perspective.
Thing about prayers is that even access to the basic ones have led content to be created and locked around prayer flicking and zero damage methods, when in reality it’s like 2% of the community who even do things like that. Raising the difficulty level for future content just because a few people would synch their heart beat to match ticks if they could is a poor idea. TLDR - The intro of new prayers like this would ether be 1) dead content if they aren’t good enough 2) used as a reason to make future content unnecessarily hard for the 2% of the player base that wants super hard content
Hm I think jagex what to do opposite what you saying these prayers will be some for booses and to kill them you need prayers of god alligments that's not prayer flicking that's more content prayer locked by gradmaster quests is fine.like there wipl be new bosses that req you do have high defence and some new prayers help
I wish people wouldn't shoot down ideas before we get even a glimpse of implementation. There's clearly a lot of thought put into prayer interactions here, and I worry like with so much proposed content that these prayers will end up DoA before anyone gets to try them. Some of these ideas are really cool, I hope we get to see some form of them. Hell even if it's just 1 additional prayer per deity, that would be interesting and different. Edit: Subbed after seeing your CG video. I'm nearing 1k KC with no enhanced, and your video has helped me survive this long. Thank you.
I love every video I've seen from your channel so far Scritic. I appreciate the energy that goes into each one; the information is concise and the pacing is perfect. keep up the good work mate!
Great video, as always! I'm curious what you mean by prayer being a secondary mechanic in combat, though. It feels like one of the most interesting parts of OSRS to me since we don't have other MMO staples like action bars with cooldowns to manage (well, other than spec energy). So I think expanding prayers as a way to raise the skill ceiling (within reason) is an obvious progression, and I quite like these alignments in that way.
I liked what on Redditor said where they said "the wording is too complex. no existing prayers are worded this detailed". And he simplified the existing usggesitons and made them sound a lot more like a prayer.
I'm definitely down for this update, but my one concern with it will be how they handle conveyance. The OSRS team have been pretty good about making sure things like armor sets are still very identifiable and can therefore innately display/convey what type of stats that player is working with, but having extra non-overhead prayers with these extra buffs might end up being kind of a problem if not conveyed correctly. Non-overhead prayers have always had the problem of being "hidden" from other players but because their effects were somewhat simple and benign, they were still pretty negligible and predictive. Now with the addition of some pretty hefty buffs that come with the non-overheard prayers, _and_ the fact that the prayer alignments are mutually exclusive, I hope there's some other indicators that will signal when they've activated these prayers in some way.
What if we add just ONE prayer per God? Some of them can be low-cost passives you can leave on all the time, like a minor hp and prayer leech. Others could be super impactful, like buffed-redemption or a big accuracy/damage boost, but have high cost or a cooldown to stop you camping it. They wouldnt have to add them all at once and hopefully it would help with what I see as a lack of 12 good ideas that can all be balanced.
community overacting again? big surprise. I saw some lizard brain say this is eoc of osrs. people are just dim. I thought osrs players were hard? they sure cry a lot tho.
i dont think new prayers should be a whole book, so I like having changable spells added in like this. These are really cool tho All I really want is to be able to rest and regen run energy.
I thought most of the prayers they pitched were good, and I especially liked the Seren alignment. I just want prayers and alignments that are situationally useful, and give you have a choice to make. Maybe you want consistency, maybe you want to be rewarded for having precise timing, maybe you want a bit more defence against attacks you can't protect against, maybe they could add a prayer for a small damage reduction, etc. If those things are mutually exclusive, or come in distinct sets with different pros and cons, they give you an interesting opportunity to strategize, and to be rewarded for making the right choice. What I don't want is for prayers to incentivize bringing gear switches to every piece of content, because that incentivizes the same mechanical gameplay elements in every pvm encounter where the alignment is otherwise useful. It's good that there are chill options without Jagex being forced to make monsters immune to 2/3 attack styles. Simple, unique bonuses (or enhancements to existing prayers) make for an interesting decision about alignments without introducing annoying gameplay or excessive power creep.
"hey let us know what you think we want your feedback we're gonna work on them towards how you like it" community: NO NO NO NO NO NEW CONTENT REEEEEEEEEE THIS SUCKS CANCEL UPDATE
I didn't vote on this, ultimately I don't really care either way. But I have heard about it and all I thought about was how much of pain it would be to travel to whatever location these are at to switch prayers every time I want to fight a different boss. To me it feels like it would become more an annoyance as it would just boil down to very niche prayers being used on certain bosses. Just one more thing to add to your meta builds which only amounts to "X percent damage boost"
The proposal to introduce new prayers into Old School RuneScape (OSRS) will likely usher in new gameplay metas, compelling us to add more RuneLite plugins to monitor specifics like monster defense reduction over a set number of ticks. Personally, I'm not keen on the idea of adding more prayers. I'm inclined to vote against this proposal because I don't want to deal with the added complexity of how these prayers could impact various game mechanics. Moreover, these changes seem to place a greater emphasis on achieving tick perfection, a gameplay aspect I find particularly tedious. Being required to execute actions with tick-perfect precision over long play sessions, especially when even minimal lag can disrupt everything, detracts significantly from my enjoyment of the game.
Another one? Another banger. Thank you for the informative information sir. Prayers are a good idea, but deffo need reworking to fill in gaps that are missing from the current prayers.
@@DareDove imo there's too much power creep in osrs. I like true classic osrs and strictly would only play for pking. I probably don't have a popular opinion but the games so power crept that hp and damage need to be converted into legacy mode HP and damage multipler. That being said I also did really enjoy legacy but thought the prayers and some weapons were just too busted like korasi
I do hope Jagex is aware of your channel since these videos are a good and unbiased analysis of their strengths and weaknesses from somebody who isn't part of either a niche portion of the community or a massive content creator who influences the opinion of their viewers. It's very easy to get lost in the sea of either uninformed Reddit opinions or hostile Twitter replies, but these kinds of videos are really good for getting a more general look at the pros and cons. I'd also hate for such a cool idea to be scrapped because of the backlash and wrongly provided feedback.
I honestly don't really feel good about them coming in the game. I agree with your point about prayers being secondary gameplay. I think it would take away a lot of focus about the other aspects of combat. For players like me, who are - honestly - very regular and have difficulties switching prayers correctly at jad or zulrah, let alone reach the next wave in Zuk, I think this is going to put more pressure on it all. Lot of counterarguments possible, but I'm not really feeling it. Really like the idea of more connection with the gods, but i'm not very convinced. Don't wanna be the judge of this though, since I can see it open up better than I expect it.
Thematically, this idea is so sick. But I think most of us agree that the current concepts don't really feel right in one way or another. This is like, what, the 3rd or 4th time they've tried adding a new "prayer book" to the game? At this point, I can't help but feel like there's just not a need for new prayers, but Jagex REALLY wants to add some. Nothing implicitly wrong with the "more is more" approach, but I also feel like that approach is the exact issue that caused the OSRS/RS3 split in the first place.
This might be an unpopular opinion all I want is RS3 Graphic & Music into OSRS but with an option for players to choose which Graphic & Music setting THEY WANT. The prayer overall I do not know what the impact would be I play way to much on and off the game as it is already.
I don't know many. I feel like some RS content creators have just way too much sway over what the community thinks about updates. Someone like Faux will come out and say something's bad and his little minions will flood twitter and reddit to shut down the thing completely. Just poll this shit and let the community decide, not the outspoken minority. These prayers look fun. Let me vote.
That 9 rain clip is funny because I do find it interesting and I do find it fun to watch people execute perfect prayers, its an "i dont like it so no one does" mentality
Too much with all that passive effect stuff. Prayers have always been about YOUR character, and while I'm totally open to them reworking prayer, I don't want it to become a mixture of Magic + Prayer + passive effects, which feels like Power Creep on the Magic skill. Why use a spell to reduce your opponent's defense if you can just toggle a passive effect that drains their defense every hit, especially without having to switch to vulnerable robes to do it? I just don't think this was designed in a way that meshes with the current combat system. Most of these effects outperform many special attack effects and magic spells. Why? That's literally power creep. Ctrl + Z, undo, try again.
SUCH A SIMPLE ASS SOLUTION TO THIS SHIT: just add ONE goddamn extra prayer for each god alignment. KEEP IT SIMPLE STOP TRYING TO GIVE US A BILLION THINGS AT ONCE.... jeeeeez like 1 guthix prayer, 1 zaros prayer and 1 seren prayer. there. and make us have to go to a certain place (maybe in the poh or wherever the hell you want) to change whatever god alignment you are under.
I dont see what 9rains point is, by all intents and purposes prayer is a net benefit for the game, why should it try to appeal to the attention span of league players
And then that shit show of a agility rebalance guys you can now use the tunnel from draynor to port sarim oh and the stepping stone in Shilo village and added a much needed shortcut to north of Shilo village Is this shit serious?
OSRS players who are very publicly spoken about not even remotely enjoying the game they're paid to play aren't exactly the sort of people i think should have their opinions taken too seriously. 9Rain is a comedy creator. He doesn't understand the game at an intricate level or care about deeper balance. He trashes the prayer system as if it isn't core to the combat challenges this game provides. So yeah we're doomed. The public creators are either incredibly sweaty great PvMers who don't want *more things to do* while doing combat, or total casuals who think any change is "scary and bad". And then the casuals either want anything and everything because new and shiny, or nothing because "i dont get it".
Maybe it'd be better if the scope was reduced to just one new prayer per alignment, it seems way too hard to come up with 4 * alignments new unique prayers.
Classic example of not being able to please everybody, at best only the majority. People cry about things being OP, then you hear cries about nerfs, then people cry about content they don't even use, it's crazy. It's a game at the end of the day, so if it's riling you up that much are you sure you're actually playing it out of enjoyment, or just addiction? 🤔
I strongly object to the addition of new prayers into the game, due to the significant and potentially negative impact they may have on both current gameplay and the design of future content. Introducing these prayers risks complicating game mechanics extensively, necessitating adjustments in strategies around damage metrics and enemy defenses. Such complexities could not only make the game less accessible but might also necessitate reliance on external tools, like Runelite plugins, to keep track of dynamic changes such as defense reductions over time. My concern is that these changes could fundamentally alter the core gameplay experience, making it more cumbersome and less enjoyable for players.
@@broitsjose Your response, while brief, unfortunately dismisses the underlying concerns and complexities presented without offering any substantive counterpoints. By reducing the conversation to a personal attack and not engaging with the argument, it not only undermines the potential for a meaningful discussion but also reflects a lack of willingness to consider different perspectives. This approach is not only unproductive but also detracts from the communal effort to understand and improve the game experience for everyone. Such dismissive behavior may stem from various underlying reasons. Often, it could be a defensive mechanism to avoid engaging with topics that might challenge one’s own understanding or beliefs about the game. It might also reflect a preference for simpler interactions over nuanced discussions that require more effort and thought. However, resorting to rudeness and dismissal instead of reasoned debate impoverishes the conversation and can create a hostile environment that discourages others from sharing their insights. Constructive criticism and debate are foundational to the development and refinement of any game, especially one with a complex ecosystem that affects a diverse community of players. A meaningful counterpoint would engage directly with the issues raised, such as the potential impact of new prayers on game balance, strategy, and player accessibility. It would ideally provide alternative viewpoints or solutions that consider both the short and long-term implications for the game and its community. Engaging in a respectful and thoughtful manner enriches the community, fosters a positive environment for discussion, and contributes to the collective understanding and improvement of the game. It is crucial to remember that behind every comment and critique lies a shared passion for the game, and harnessing that passion constructively can lead to a better experience for all involved." Addressing the situation in this manner highlights the importance of respectful dialogue, encourages constructive criticism, and fosters a more inclusive and productive community discussion.
It was suppose to reflect the books. 90% of us thought when they said Alignment prayers Zaros would buff magic, Zammy would buff accuracy, Sara would buff defence, Bandos would buff melee str, and guthix would give a very low buff to all 3 styles.
These are awful and going to make combat especially PvP way too sweaty. Sounds like you need a really high iq to utilize these new prayers. Horrible idea to add these to the game. It’s old school RuneScape for a reason, put it in rs3 and leave us alone!
1:57 Jagex needs to seriously start considering long term solutions for dealing with powercreep in OSRS. In a game like WoW, if players and monsters get much higher levels, and are dealing 10x more, then they can give the players 10x more health. OSRS's defense uses RNG, from the defense skill, and the armor. How much fun would it be if regular monsters could randomly one-shot full health players? Prayer could work as a bandaid fix, but it would be bad game design.
Your version of the game has only been out for 10 years. There are players like myself who have been playing Runescape well over 20 years. OSRS is still not as good as the original. I blame a community that argues for no f'n reason.
Technically, it's a separate timeline, the release of OSRS started on backup of a game that had been evolving for 6 years already. So, 16 years is more accurate if you wanna be pedantic about it like that. You also act like the majority of OSRS players haven't also been playing for ~20 years, we just migrated to OSRS after the epic disaster named "EOC".
I think they should do all their balancing updates before they start adding more prayers they haven't even balanced the og prayer book so why are they adding more prayers that people will always shoot down and clearly alot of the player base doesn't rlly want them it seems
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I don't really think prayers should be viewed as a secondary aspect of gameplay, considering combat in OSRS boils down to:
- click prayer
- click floor
- click food / potion
- gear swap
- click boss
I like the idea of God alignments and having different builds for different content, or allowing more build diversity in multi-person raids (for example a 4-man Tob having one guy with guthix, one with ruinous, and two with seren). It's something the game will really benefit from.
People saying it doesn't "feel Old-school" are the same reddit Andy's that don't realize 95% of the content they engage with didn't exist in 2007. It's a good thing that new content is added. I feel like them being prayers keeps in line with RuneScapes unique gameplay.
The difficulty of OSRS combat doesn't come from memorizing 18 button rotations and dodging swirlies on the floor (retail wow), it comes from precisely timed, accurate clicking, with regular rhythm, minimal mistakes, and over the course of a long time. Basically, it's mechanical skill + endurance.
Prayers like the seren one that require you to coordinate and attack on the same tick fit really well with this. So do the ones emphasizing build diversity (the weapon swap ones). The healing guthix one as well, for having to maintain high hp and close proximity to allies. These are all VERY Old-school RuneScape type abilities.
Overall I don't trust the "community's" opinion on this to much as the people that cry on Twitter or Reddit are typically either trash at the game, maxed mains that bought GM and bank stand all day and don't want "their achievements devalued", or 1600 total level irons that have never seen a raid because "it's so gate kept omg I have to TALK to OTHER PEOPLE to do CONTENT in an MMORPG???"
It will ruin the game
What’s your total level?
@@0ceanCS I have a maxed Ironman and have recently been playing a UIM that's at 1600 total
Also "it will ruin the game" with no follow up points is not an argument, you are exactly the type of people I'm talking about
@@PIVfirestarkproduconI’m not bothered thinking/not very smart but I’m just gunna firmly say again, this will be fucking terrible for the game. I really don’t get how you don’t see that
@@0ceanCS You need to open your mind to change. Either that or get out of the NMZ 😂
I wish people would just let shit cook for a minute. Let us refine the prayers and see what happens. It looks like such a cool update that is deeply tied to the lore of the gods. Which is directly related to prayer..
Yup. The skill rebalancing changes they announced yesterday everyone on twitter was quick to hate but most of the changes make sense. Most people need a content creator to tell them it’s not bad I think
@@nerveh4wklol the sheep need their herder. Now with god factions the sheep will be dyed red blue or green!
Sorry…purple
@@nerveh4wkI thought the project rebalance stuff was basically perfect, and I thought the god alignment stuff was a mess. I really love the concept of God alignments, I just think they need to step back and simplify. My original thought was that each god would get a single prayer. Also, I thought they were all supposed to be functional all the time, without a clear meta for different content (the Shattered Relics issue), with different alignments catering to different play styles rather than different content. An idea I've had is to weaken protection prayers in exchange for some other buff - maybe you take 10% chip damage through prayer, but you still get say 25% damage reduction with the incorrect prayer. It would be a choice that would make it easier to get into things like solo GWD, DKs, and inferno by reducing the punishment for mistakes in exchange for constant chip damage.
@@RED89P13purple is the correct choicr
When does this update come out
There are some content creators who I feel really do not enjoy the game anymore but play it because it gives views. This makes for pretty toxic stuff. These prayers definitely need to be looked at carefully but I'm also all for it as long as they make sense
W take. Promising changes already happening & concept is great
If they are just "playing for views", their opinions shouldn't really matter
yeh pretty much why anything creators like Jimmy and 9Rain say should be taken with a giant pile of salt. They both openly state they don't enjoy large parts of the game.@@EastOfEden96
Osrs is just toxic. Always was and always will be doesn't have anything to do about streamers streaming it bc they don't like it. Look at pking community... All you pve players shot down every poll for any pking updates just because they don't like pkers... For years
Lololol, looks like someone is getting angy. Just because people dont vite with you, doesnt mean its out of spite. If im a pvm andy, why would i vote for stuff that would make it harder/longer/more annoying for me to pvm? People are selfish, they want things that will help/make things easier. It's not always spite. Goodluck lol @ianp6994
Love your videos so much! Watch everything the minute it’s released. The quality and everything, plus your voice and the script - always superb. 10/10!
With the removal of Seren's alignment, my favorite announced prayer is now not part of the initial update (or ever), Slumber being a great tool to bridge the huge herblore gap for IM toward antivenoms. So that's kinda sucks.
I had a longer version of this video in more detail talking about all the positives and I immediately thought about how many ironmen would love this (although, there is cure poison on lunars as an anti venom alternative that’s pretty effective)
I think what I would like to see is more utility out of prayer. I know it’s technically a combat stat, but having some prayers be used in skilling could be cool.
For exemple, I think I remember one of the proposed prayers for dt2 would drain prayer points instead of run energy when running.
Stuff like that
And what next just buy prayer pots and never run out of prayer ruin economy and more bots skililng prayers is bad unless you have good idea
That run prayer is good that is fine
Thanks for the breakdown of all the "controversy". I'm just getting back into OSRS over the past month after playing from 2005-2009. The Zaros lore was always my favorite as a kid, so when I saw the official update saying they were thinking about giving him his own set of prayers, I thought it was pretty cool.
Then when they made the follow-up post a few days later, walking back many of their originally proposed ideas, I was confused about what the problem was. After such a long hiatus, I don't really know what the community is looking for these days. This video helped put the concerns into perspective.
Thing about prayers is that even access to the basic ones have led content to be created and locked around prayer flicking and zero damage methods, when in reality it’s like 2% of the community who even do things like that. Raising the difficulty level for future content just because a few people would synch their heart beat to match ticks if they could is a poor idea.
TLDR - The intro of new prayers like this would ether be
1) dead content if they aren’t good enough
2) used as a reason to make future content unnecessarily hard for the 2% of the player base that wants super hard content
Hm I think jagex what to do opposite what you saying these prayers will be some for booses and to kill them you need prayers of god alligments that's not prayer flicking that's more content prayer locked by gradmaster quests is fine.like there wipl be new bosses that req you do have high defence and some new prayers help
I wish people wouldn't shoot down ideas before we get even a glimpse of implementation. There's clearly a lot of thought put into prayer interactions here, and I worry like with so much proposed content that these prayers will end up DoA before anyone gets to try them. Some of these ideas are really cool, I hope we get to see some form of them. Hell even if it's just 1 additional prayer per deity, that would be interesting and different.
Edit: Subbed after seeing your CG video. I'm nearing 1k KC with no enhanced, and your video has helped me survive this long. Thank you.
Does anyone have any ideas about what to rename the game after all these reworks?
As far as I'm concerned, this might as well just be the default "Runescape" at this point.
@@99sonder A fair swap, I reckon. Give RS3 a new name instead.
Changes are invetible adapt or leave
I love every video I've seen from your channel so far Scritic. I appreciate the energy that goes into each one; the information is concise and the pacing is perfect. keep up the good work mate!
Great video, as always! I'm curious what you mean by prayer being a secondary mechanic in combat, though. It feels like one of the most interesting parts of OSRS to me since we don't have other MMO staples like action bars with cooldowns to manage (well, other than spec energy). So I think expanding prayers as a way to raise the skill ceiling (within reason) is an obvious progression, and I quite like these alignments in that way.
My problem with new prayers is that they really seem more like new spells and not so much prayers
they all seem very prayer oriented to me
@@blazen123 fair enuff!
They don't use runes or take up combat ticks and use the prayer level resource. Looks like prayers to me my guy
I liked what on Redditor said where they said "the wording is too complex. no existing prayers are worded this detailed". And he simplified the existing usggesitons and made them sound a lot more like a prayer.
@@VallianceRS I think this must be what I was perceiving, it'll be interesting to see what the final versions are like
Defence while standing still sounds like it's aimed at tanking while being frozen, no?
Yeah or even at Bandos or something
I think they should add simple God alignment passives rather than active prayers that's my opinion
I'm definitely down for this update, but my one concern with it will be how they handle conveyance. The OSRS team have been pretty good about making sure things like armor sets are still very identifiable and can therefore innately display/convey what type of stats that player is working with, but having extra non-overhead prayers with these extra buffs might end up being kind of a problem if not conveyed correctly.
Non-overhead prayers have always had the problem of being "hidden" from other players but because their effects were somewhat simple and benign, they were still pretty negligible and predictive. Now with the addition of some pretty hefty buffs that come with the non-overheard prayers, _and_ the fact that the prayer alignments are mutually exclusive, I hope there's some other indicators that will signal when they've activated these prayers in some way.
What if we add just ONE prayer per God? Some of them can be low-cost passives you can leave on all the time, like a minor hp and prayer leech. Others could be super impactful, like buffed-redemption or a big accuracy/damage boost, but have high cost or a cooldown to stop you camping it.
They wouldnt have to add them all at once and hopefully it would help with what I see as a lack of 12 good ideas that can all be balanced.
community overacting again? big surprise. I saw some lizard brain say this is eoc of osrs. people are just dim. I thought osrs players were hard? they sure cry a lot tho.
i dont think new prayers should be a whole book, so I like having changable spells added in like this. These are really cool tho
All I really want is to be able to rest and regen run energy.
I thought most of the prayers they pitched were good, and I especially liked the Seren alignment. I just want prayers and alignments that are situationally useful, and give you have a choice to make. Maybe you want consistency, maybe you want to be rewarded for having precise timing, maybe you want a bit more defence against attacks you can't protect against, maybe they could add a prayer for a small damage reduction, etc. If those things are mutually exclusive, or come in distinct sets with different pros and cons, they give you an interesting opportunity to strategize, and to be rewarded for making the right choice.
What I don't want is for prayers to incentivize bringing gear switches to every piece of content, because that incentivizes the same mechanical gameplay elements in every pvm encounter where the alignment is otherwise useful. It's good that there are chill options without Jagex being forced to make monsters immune to 2/3 attack styles. Simple, unique bonuses (or enhancements to existing prayers) make for an interesting decision about alignments without introducing annoying gameplay or excessive power creep.
Bro tshirts only please we need to see dat frame
"hey let us know what you think we want your feedback we're gonna work on them towards how you like it"
community: NO NO NO NO NO NEW CONTENT REEEEEEEEEE THIS SUCKS CANCEL UPDATE
It was too much at once and people are very particular about Prayers, I’m not surprised
always appreciate these videos because i can't be bothered to read the long blogs that Jagex post, keep it up
I’m too old and I don’t like change. Basically everybody right now.
Nice hat my dude, well done on the vid
I didn't vote on this, ultimately I don't really care either way. But I have heard about it and all I thought about was how much of pain it would be to travel to whatever location these are at to switch prayers every time I want to fight a different boss. To me it feels like it would become more an annoyance as it would just boil down to very niche prayers being used on certain bosses. Just one more thing to add to your meta builds which only amounts to "X percent damage boost"
The proposal to introduce new prayers into Old School RuneScape (OSRS) will likely usher in new gameplay metas, compelling us to add more RuneLite plugins to monitor specifics like monster defense reduction over a set number of ticks. Personally, I'm not keen on the idea of adding more prayers. I'm inclined to vote against this proposal because I don't want to deal with the added complexity of how these prayers could impact various game mechanics. Moreover, these changes seem to place a greater emphasis on achieving tick perfection, a gameplay aspect I find particularly tedious. Being required to execute actions with tick-perfect precision over long play sessions, especially when even minimal lag can disrupt everything, detracts significantly from my enjoyment of the game.
they trying to push RS3 on us. lets get them, they took our jerbssssssss.
Another one? Another banger. Thank you for the informative information sir. Prayers are a good idea, but deffo need reworking to fill in gaps that are missing from the current prayers.
To be honest, I feel like you gotta be pretty smooth brain to not understand what these “prayer” are saying lol.
I dont play osrs anymore but things like this are reasons i wouldnt come back 1000% if it passed.
Still playing but quitting our duo iron men if it passes for good. Maybe will try to find an rsps without the prayers
@@DareDove imo there's too much power creep in osrs. I like true classic osrs and strictly would only play for pking. I probably don't have a popular opinion but the games so power crept that hp and damage need to be converted into legacy mode HP and damage multipler. That being said I also did really enjoy legacy but thought the prayers and some weapons were just too busted like korasi
Remember when literally like a month ago everybody wanted Jagex to ditch the polling system?
I do hope Jagex is aware of your channel since these videos are a good and unbiased analysis of their strengths and weaknesses from somebody who isn't part of either a niche portion of the community or a massive content creator who influences the opinion of their viewers. It's very easy to get lost in the sea of either uninformed Reddit opinions or hostile Twitter replies, but these kinds of videos are really good for getting a more general look at the pros and cons.
I'd also hate for such a cool idea to be scrapped because of the backlash and wrongly provided feedback.
I appreciate that, this wasn’t intended to be weighted either side of any ‘argument’ so it’s good to know that’s how it came across to you
I honestly don't really feel good about them coming in the game. I agree with your point about prayers being secondary gameplay. I think it would take away a lot of focus about the other aspects of combat. For players like me, who are - honestly - very regular and have difficulties switching prayers correctly at jad or zulrah, let alone reach the next wave in Zuk, I think this is going to put more pressure on it all. Lot of counterarguments possible, but I'm not really feeling it. Really like the idea of more connection with the gods, but i'm not very convinced. Don't wanna be the judge of this though, since I can see it open up better than I expect it.
Jad is a super easy switch tbh, you just need to practise
I love the idea of new prayers tied to gods, I'm not a fan of the specifics though. Especially all the ones that are just redemption+
Thematically, this idea is so sick. But I think most of us agree that the current concepts don't really feel right in one way or another. This is like, what, the 3rd or 4th time they've tried adding a new "prayer book" to the game? At this point, I can't help but feel like there's just not a need for new prayers, but Jagex REALLY wants to add some. Nothing implicitly wrong with the "more is more" approach, but I also feel like that approach is the exact issue that caused the OSRS/RS3 split in the first place.
We literally DONT want this change, stop it
This might be an unpopular opinion all I want is RS3 Graphic & Music into OSRS but with an option for players to choose which Graphic & Music setting THEY WANT.
The prayer overall I do not know what the impact would be I play way to much on and off the game as it is already.
of course the prayers that get the axe are the ones that I would have access too right away. I want my free instant reward, it's not fair.
I don't know many. I feel like some RS content creators have just way too much sway over what the community thinks about updates. Someone like Faux will come out and say something's bad and his little minions will flood twitter and reddit to shut down the thing completely. Just poll this shit and let the community decide, not the outspoken minority. These prayers look fun. Let me vote.
Not denying this doesn't happen, but I'm pretty sure updates are always greenlit through the main polls, not the twitter minority.
That 9 rain clip is funny because I do find it interesting and I do find it fun to watch people execute perfect prayers, its an "i dont like it so no one does" mentality
Soulsplit, please!!
This community is ok with twisted bow, tumekens shadow, torva etc but new prayers? "EOC omG sOMEone hELP US"
The prayers are too awkward. 1 tick activation shit? No. Just no.
Agreed on the tick manipulation crap. I'd say most OSRS players are not actually that sweaty and prefer a chilled play-style.
The Meta with Glacies' Vow is that you get up to 1 HP with Torags + Ammy of the damned, and then you just TANK
Too much with all that passive effect stuff. Prayers have always been about YOUR character, and while I'm totally open to them reworking prayer, I don't want it to become a mixture of Magic + Prayer + passive effects, which feels like Power Creep on the Magic skill. Why use a spell to reduce your opponent's defense if you can just toggle a passive effect that drains their defense every hit, especially without having to switch to vulnerable robes to do it?
I just don't think this was designed in a way that meshes with the current combat system. Most of these effects outperform many special attack effects and magic spells. Why? That's literally power creep. Ctrl + Z, undo, try again.
SUCH A SIMPLE ASS SOLUTION TO THIS SHIT:
just add ONE goddamn extra prayer for each god alignment. KEEP IT SIMPLE STOP TRYING TO GIVE US A BILLION THINGS AT ONCE.... jeeeeez like 1 guthix prayer, 1 zaros prayer and 1 seren prayer. there. and make us have to go to a certain place (maybe in the poh or wherever the hell you want) to change whatever god alignment you are under.
I dont see what 9rains point is, by all intents and purposes prayer is a net benefit for the game, why should it try to appeal to the attention span of league players
And then that shit show of a agility rebalance guys you can now use the tunnel from draynor to port sarim oh and the stepping stone in Shilo village and added a much needed shortcut to north of Shilo village
Is this shit serious?
OSRS players who are very publicly spoken about not even remotely enjoying the game they're paid to play aren't exactly the sort of people i think should have their opinions taken too seriously. 9Rain is a comedy creator. He doesn't understand the game at an intricate level or care about deeper balance. He trashes the prayer system as if it isn't core to the combat challenges this game provides.
So yeah we're doomed. The public creators are either incredibly sweaty great PvMers who don't want *more things to do* while doing combat, or total casuals who think any change is "scary and bad". And then the casuals either want anything and everything because new and shiny, or nothing because "i dont get it".
Maybe it'd be better if the scope was reduced to just one new prayer per alignment, it seems way too hard to come up with 4 * alignments new unique prayers.
Better off just having the original Ancient Curses.
Well if Jagex would make content that wasn't DOA or nerf everything into oblivion then maybe people would like them.
Classic example of not being able to please everybody, at best only the majority. People cry about things being OP, then you hear cries about nerfs, then people cry about content they don't even use, it's crazy. It's a game at the end of the day, so if it's riling you up that much are you sure you're actually playing it out of enjoyment, or just addiction? 🤔
Just add curses without polling and be done with it
Tbh I think they’re neat
Just change something jagex please
I strongly object to the addition of new prayers into the game, due to the significant and potentially negative impact they may have on both current gameplay and the design of future content. Introducing these prayers risks complicating game mechanics extensively, necessitating adjustments in strategies around damage metrics and enemy defenses. Such complexities could not only make the game less accessible but might also necessitate reliance on external tools, like Runelite plugins, to keep track of dynamic changes such as defense reductions over time. My concern is that these changes could fundamentally alter the core gameplay experience, making it more cumbersome and less enjoyable for players.
not readingh this long ass essay just say you're bad at the game lmfao
@@broitsjose Your response, while brief, unfortunately dismisses the underlying concerns and complexities presented without offering any substantive counterpoints. By reducing the conversation to a personal attack and not engaging with the argument, it not only undermines the potential for a meaningful discussion but also reflects a lack of willingness to consider different perspectives. This approach is not only unproductive but also detracts from the communal effort to understand and improve the game experience for everyone.
Such dismissive behavior may stem from various underlying reasons. Often, it could be a defensive mechanism to avoid engaging with topics that might challenge one’s own understanding or beliefs about the game. It might also reflect a preference for simpler interactions over nuanced discussions that require more effort and thought. However, resorting to rudeness and dismissal instead of reasoned debate impoverishes the conversation and can create a hostile environment that discourages others from sharing their insights.
Constructive criticism and debate are foundational to the development and refinement of any game, especially one with a complex ecosystem that affects a diverse community of players. A meaningful counterpoint would engage directly with the issues raised, such as the potential impact of new prayers on game balance, strategy, and player accessibility. It would ideally provide alternative viewpoints or solutions that consider both the short and long-term implications for the game and its community.
Engaging in a respectful and thoughtful manner enriches the community, fosters a positive environment for discussion, and contributes to the collective understanding and improvement of the game. It is crucial to remember that behind every comment and critique lies a shared passion for the game, and harnessing that passion constructively can lead to a better experience for all involved."
Addressing the situation in this manner highlights the importance of respectful dialogue, encourages constructive criticism, and fosters a more inclusive and productive community discussion.
It’s not that serious lil bro chill
@@thesucc6760 This game is my life! :O
prayer flicking is really boring, it should be made impossible to make gameplay focus on better stuff
It was suppose to reflect the books.
90% of us thought when they said Alignment prayers Zaros would buff magic, Zammy would buff accuracy, Sara would buff defence, Bandos would buff melee str, and guthix would give a very low buff to all 3 styles.
I don’t want the new prayers
These are awful and going to make combat especially PvP way too sweaty. Sounds like you need a really high iq to utilize these new prayers. Horrible idea to add these to the game. It’s old school RuneScape for a reason, put it in rs3 and leave us alone!
ill vote yes to them if they poll them
Nnnnnnnooooo! Nnnoooooo new content! Nnnnooooo!
1:57 Jagex needs to seriously start considering long term solutions for dealing with powercreep in OSRS. In a game like WoW, if players and monsters get much higher levels, and are dealing 10x more, then they can give the players 10x more health. OSRS's defense uses RNG, from the defense skill, and the armor. How much fun would it be if regular monsters could randomly one-shot full health players? Prayer could work as a bandaid fix, but it would be bad game design.
All of the proposed changes are too weak and worthless.
Yall cry about ANYTHING new.
Great idea..filled full of horrible ideas.
All this Sound just stupid, just release the Old curses
Just release turmoil and soulsplit and be done with it
Nah they were way too OP. Also everybody on 95 prayer builds from 1 def pures to mids was fucking dumb, never again.
Back then you must have 30 def for use that.
I go for Old curses prayer too
New prayers whata horrible horrible idea??!! Just leave th3 God damn prayer books alone!!! 🤡
Ugh
Noob
Someone be this guys friend please
Your version of the game has only been out for 10 years.
There are players like myself who have been playing Runescape well over 20 years.
OSRS is still not as good as the original.
I blame a community that argues for no f'n reason.
Technically, it's a separate timeline, the release of OSRS started on backup of a game that had been evolving for 6 years already. So, 16 years is more accurate if you wanna be pedantic about it like that. You also act like the majority of OSRS players haven't also been playing for ~20 years, we just migrated to OSRS after the epic disaster named "EOC".
Osrs IS the original and it's a better game. Why do you think is has so many more players than rs3?
I think they should do all their balancing updates before they start adding more prayers they haven't even balanced the og prayer book so why are they adding more prayers that people will always shoot down and clearly alot of the player base doesn't rlly want them it seems