Hey Kaoz! I got back into RuneScape a few months ago after a ~10-year hiatus. Cannot stress enough how helpful your content has been. From videos like this to the Level 99 guides, can't thank you enough. It's helped me to create a fairly balanced main account and though my account is still fairly nooby, I'm fully back to enjoying the game. Cheers! Hope you have a great weekend!
The Dragon Platebody is definitely an item you should not consider buying. In most cases the fighter torso, a Barrows item or tbh proselyte armour will be the better setup. Costing over 2 mil its just not worth using it :) RSN Nocyllis
I used dragon plate (except the helmet and shield ofc) as soon as I hit 60, picked up slayer helmet and now im at 82 attack 76 str 75 def. Imo it’s worth it for the defence if you have the legs and boots because I’d just use str pots. I did cast it away to my bank after I hit about 70 prayer. it’s cheaper for me to make money for pots rather than buy 60 mill worth of gear, even in the long run if it isn’t I’m at least leveling while I do other things.
@@m4xw3ll75dragon platebody is way more expensive at 2m than any of the tank barrows chests (torag, dharok, ghutan) and still has worse stats. It’s useless and only a money trap, because you can use it at a lower levl
@@michaelmccoy2384 I paid for my torso back when it was only 24m for BA Services Now they charge an insane 100m+ Ridiculous that they expect to make more money than solo 500 TOA.
The only one I don't fully agree with is acb. It has a longer range than any other crossbow, other than zcb, and is really nice for sara godwars or budget inferno.
It is literally better than DHCB. Theres like 3 dragons in the entire game where the niche effect makes it the winner. 2 specs and increase likelihood of bolts effect is hands down better.
@@SlimReaper1997 cox (raid with 1.4b and multiple hundred m plus drops), vorkath (the best constant money maker in the game), and brutal blacks (arguably the best afk money in the game). Correct only 3 dragons that are best cash in game in nearly every style. Acb useless
Full dragon armor (including dragon full helm) is useless because you would much rather have the strength bonus from any other armor and the dragon full helm is ridiculously expensive. The exception is the boots. RSN: ReavenTank
@@_Professor_OakGonna call BS on that. Getting my d boots on the iron was huge. I got a max hit but even better was the defense. I absolutely felt the improvement over climbing boots.
Massively disagree with the Rapier not being useful for slayer. Run some DPS calculations, for low defence slayer monsters, Rapier DPS is waaaay better.
I think he's implying you should be using a fang for slayer which makes no sense. Dark beasts? Sure but nobody is killing low defense gargs with a fang lmao. 100% support rapier, literally the best strength trainer once you can use it.
You don't really have any consistency when it comes to your gear guides. In the gear progression guide you recommend buying a master wand before even getting an occult necklace...then in this guide you say it's "absolutely not a good idea to get them" when referring to any of the MTA wands...
You could probably make an argument for all dragon armor, but specifically the Kite and Full Helm because they are insanely expensive for no reason other than being rare. Full helm is just super rare and Kite comes from Adamant Dragons which nobody kills. RSN: RTJ4
Hearing your Bandon Chestplate vs. Fighter Torso logic is like, the little nudge I needed to finally start sending some BA rounds; digging the content! 💎
BA is really not that bad, idk why people hate it sooo much. Ya it's not necessarily fun but it's not even that bad, and is quicker than people make it seem like lol
This is great, just got 147m back in useless items I had in my bank. Do you have any up-to-date progression guides I can look at? I want to know whether to prioritize things like BIS rings or pushing for another weapon, etc
bruh acb has an additional tile of range over the dragon crossbow. that is the most important part of the item which you completely left out, making it a viable budget weapon for zuk before tbow or bowfa+crystal. you cannot hit the jad on the far side of the shield rotation without a 10 tile range weapon. "deserves to be thrown in the trash" is just an uninformed take. you gotta remember items have specific uses and evaluating them on general usefulness is pretty much pointless. one single strong use case for any item is enough reason to buy it if you're doing that content, and just resell it when you're done. acb has two. zuk like i mentioned and when doing solo zilyana 0 damage taken kiting method the dcb must be set to long range while the ACB can do it on rapid. this is a far shot from "avoid like the plague"
Another great video! I am really enjoying all the different types of progression guides you've been putting out as it helps me plan things out better. Instead of just deciding what skill to level next or what content to do, I can think about how to progress my gear / tools for content AND when to move onto new content AND how to map my skill growth around it. One thing I would ask - If you can try not to abbreviate item names? Especially when you say them - I only just barely know what a "Nezzy helm" is. I imagine many people on their gear progression journey do not recognize the name off-hand. I understand abbreviating it in the text on-screen so you can keep it brief and organized - if you can remember to say the full name of the item I think that would help :D Otherwise you could provide a reference list to the items you talk about in the video but I fully recognize that would be a significant time + effort investment so I don't think it's near as reasonable of an ask.
your recent video suggests using the Saradomin sword for strength training, but this one says to completely avoid it. Did something change with prices, or its usefulness or something?
It's interesting that you didn't mention the Dragon equipment such as Dragon Full Helm, Dragon Platebody, Dragon Platelegs, and Dragon Chainbody, as they offer no offensive bonuses and are worse than dirt cheap barrows equipment which offers significantly better defensive bonuses. There's also a ton of other noobtrap gear items like the Abyssal Dagger, which is strictly worse than the Dragon Dagger in every scenario except against high defense enemies, in which case you'd want a different special attack entirely, it is quite literally not used anywhere except Vasa in COX. Another awful item from Sire is the Abyssal Bludgeon. It was decent for strength training, but now it's only real use is as a budget crush weapon for Nightmare, which is a boss that nobody actually does.
@@MaxiemumKarnage Fang is just as good at gargs, fang & arclight are better at cerb, nobody does water fiends, and the Keris partisan is always BIS for melee KQ and it costs 0 GP.
The d plate, full helm and kiteshield I understand, but what's wrong with d chain and legs? They're both dirt cheap. There's no reason not to use them at 60 defense.
@@Leetfaction Not using a fighter torso is literally just negative money and there's a lot better tank legs than dragon plate it's not that much higher level.
I'm so glad I got through acerbic defender when it was like 20 million. I'll say I do agree with some of your thoughts especially now with the new updates to the game. If you do have some of the older gear like arma don't go rushing off to sell it. I'd hold onto it until you can afford the updates.
i've also found a brimstone ring is good value for mid level accounts that dont have enough points to imbue the archer/berserker ring. I think it gives the same stats as all the regular DK rings combined
I’ve used a fighter torso for a few months until I got to a stage where I make good money daily, then I bought bcp for defence which makes slayer and some bossing much better. Still got the torso at bank for master clues 🤷♂️
I feel like Archer's Ring is good for Vorkath until you get your DHL and gear to melee him instead, since RoS and lightbearer (unless you're using BP) doesn't work as well on him. Other than that, yeah I can't think of an honest reason to use it until you're able to get venator.
really love your vids, ive seen people recommend getting acb in nex for its 1+ tile distance and spec, would it still be worth it as a budget setup or still stick to dcb?
Why not just get dhcb, use that to make money and then sell dhcb for bowfa + crystal set instead though? They're around the same price, but one of them allows you to make money quite fast in places like Vork, brutal blacks and cox.
So normally I wouldn’t make a comment just to disagree with a point, but the difference in DPS between the DCB and the ACB is actually insane. It shaved almost an entire minute of my Vorkath kill time
A lot of these boil down to just ‘Don’t buy cosmetics because they’re expensive and don’t help your account.’ If that’s your point, then just say it. Don’t tell people not to buy enchanted robes and then fail to mention all the other cosmetic alternative items like trimmed armour, god armour, trimmed wizard robes, etc.
ba has a dedicated group that speeds thru very fast and they are super welcoming to learners. Torso only takes 1-2 hours with normal teammates. I havent had leavers very often
3rd age pickaxe is objectively worse than a dragon pickaxe because it cannot be upgraded into either crystal or infernal varieties. It costs literally a thousand times as much.
The item that I find the most useless of them all is gp. People think they can buy anything with it (right?) but you can actually focus on goals and grind every single worth item in the game, no matter how long does it take because what is really important are the friends we do along the way. PD: Returning to play my fav childhood's game have been a great experience thanks for you teachings Kaoz! ¡Tus videos son geniales! RSN Pepe Le Pew7.
For me the thing I regretted buying because I only bought it for getting 1 zulrah kill for the diary is ahrim's set, dont use it anywhere RSN Nelson Games
Im gonna disagree with the rapier if you are training melee on monsters with no defense stats. Fang performs way better against defense because of it’s passive effect, but with no defense your dps is higher with a rapier because it’s a 4 tick weapon
the only reason to buy a master wand, is if you are bursting; and you don't want to spend the price for a kodai wand. The negative prayer bonus on the ancient staff and scepter makes them not ideal.
"If you see a main account using full arma you can make fun of them." Woah, hey. Chill. Some of us just came back to the game and aren't super vigilant of what we should be using and when. It was BiS before I came back. Maybe tell someone in Arma what they're doing wrong instead of being a dick.
Acb is 100% worth it if you plan to spend any time at muspah and can't afford a zcb the ability to spec twice with boosted bolt proc accuracy is huge for the smite phase unless you perfect skipping the shield altogether, also Wands attack a whole tick speed faster than staves when auto casting, it's the difference between a dragon scim and a dragon long, wands are undoubtedly better than their staff counterparts and that's the reason their price is so much higher lmao and all wands can autocast ancients, enchanted has literally identical stats to mystic as well so it's really just about not wearing the same mystic robes everyone else has lmao
Pegasian boots was the first immediate thing I thought of reading the video title after realizing it has no Ranged strength Also, shout out to skcusxegaj for warning me not to buy Armadyl. I was planning to buy Armadyl first, then once I can afford Masori, dismantle the Armadyl to make Masori (f), but he convinced me to just go buy Masori first given Armadyl's lack of Ranged strength
If you can tolerate Barbarian Assault, go get a fighter torso there, then pair it up with obsidian platelegs. They both have strength bonus, which is what you want to prioritize for your armor. If you don't want to bother with Barbarian Assault (like I did), go for obsidian platebody instead Your next upgrade after that would be Bandos chestplate and Bandos tassets at 65 Defence, but they are much more expensive (30M and 20M respectively), so might be a while until you can get them
Do you think the avernic defender is really worth the 97m upgrade…? For me it gives a little bit more stats, but honestly if it was 60m, I’d buy it. I just think it’s too expensive for what it is.
i got mine at 80m for wildy bosses because it's a 4% dps increase. but honestly not too useful. there are some scenarios where it will give you a max hit atleast, but definitely not worth the 100m before most things
RSN: GSW 30 CURRY Spirit shields used to be solid content… are they now dead? I mean you got buckler and others now that high levels use. Don’t see too many spirit shield refs for high level equipment when bossing and such. Maybe I’m just a noob
Another thing which is rlly amazing rn is that u can buy the blood moon armor which has the same str bonus as bcp and tasset but just way less defensive stats. Even lower than a torso but atleast u dont need to do BA xD
I had justicar, its useless for slayer because you can wear verac's, a fang and a dragonfire shield and have more dps, and prayer, and defense, than full justicar with the bis weapon of the game. Against krill, zamorak, its better have a slayer task and wear range armour. Only usefull with a dinh bullwark setup and some niche stuff that nodoby does regularly.
@@polentusmax6100 what the hell are you talking about lol. Veracs with fang and dfs is the same dps as justi with fang and dfs but less less defensive bonuses lmao. You get 1 extra prayer using veracs vs justi which when you have a bonus of 20+ is nothing, especially considering the extra food you’ll have to eat wearing veracs armour over justiciar
@@CaptnBeeBop dude, pls, justicar is only worth with the full set, that cost 53 million right now, you loose all the boost from a slayer helmet with full set, and wearing the top and bottom alone is like wearing armadyl in slayer. Food is cheap, you have better options to tank in prayer and def as i said, with verac or proselyte, and the fang is so accurate on slayer that you can ditch your dragon defender for a dragonfire shield (if you dont have a avernic) and have more dps and defense, like 98% accuracy vs 97.5% There will be a new proselite armor with the def stats of verac and more prayer tha proselyte, but everyone is guessing that the tankness of justicar will be usefull there in the waves. Thats my opinion right now, but i liked in the past, maybe it will change again. When i liked, every piece cost less than 10 milion, so it was not 100k in the grave every time you die for each part and instead was 10k, thats the problem of justicar for me, too many expensive pieces.
@@polentusmax6100 you’re so dumb it makes my head hurt lol. Justiciar platebody defenses: stab: 132, slash: 130, crush: 117, range: 142 Veracs platebody: stab: 81, slash: 95, crush: 85, range: 81 Justiciar platelegs: stab: 95, slash: 92, crush: 93, range: 102 Veracs skirt: stab: 85 slash: 82, crush: 83, range 84 You can see the defensive bonuses are WAY higher for Justiciar. Then if you decide to wear the helm you get a multiplier ON TOP of the base defensive bonuses. Bro it’s 2024 almost and you’re still using Veracs? Omegalul 😂
@@polentusmax6100 btw, dps difference between defender and dfs is like 10%. Doesn’t matter what you’re wearing. That’s massive lol. And when I mention eating im not talking food COSTS, im talking about the ticks you lose to eating, meaning justi is better dps because you eat way less. Jeez dude you’re a next level noob. But hey play how you wanna play lmfao
great video lots of good info as i'm at the stage where i could be upgrading to this gear. think i'd rather put the 30mil+ on bandos chestplate than blay ba though. RSN: Haz X11
The main one I disagree with on here is the rapier. Fang is a piece of garbage on most low def stuff, particularly for slayer. Calling it an upgrade over the rapier shows a lack of understanding of the purposes of these items. As someone who is going for max but not doing pvm, rapier is far more useful to me than fang.
i would say all dragon full helm. too rare and expensive for what it provides. love it for nostalgia sake but anyone learning and progressing should avoid it. great video RSN: SocialAnarch
Netzi Faceguard when Serp is so affordable, has better defense and protects from poison and venom. If you're doing switches though then it can make sense since it doesn't have the negative range and magic bonus. Plus with the netzi, you're not going to use it at all during slayer. Also, primordial Boots. Only +1 str bonus over the much much much cheaper dragon boots, and has minimal attack bonus. I would buy them likely last and for me, its a toss up between that and a BCP and I've actually been sitting on cash because I just can't decide and neither really seem worth it yet lol. RSN - Ely Waves
Primordial boots, hardly a dps increase over dragon boots which cost a fraction of the price less is insane, 4 str bonus vs 5, and only +2 accuracy which is negligable. for 30m, you can get a torture, obsidian legs and ferocious gloves which still costs less than prims, and offers you much more bang for your buck. osrs/rsn Autoswitched
Any of the white armour pieces and weapons that require you to kill 1,300 black knights. With the expectation of the 2H since its needed for an elite diary. RSN.
I would personally argue Brimstone ring is also a semi-useless or overrated item. Especially if you're a Chad who already has completed DT2 where you can buy the Ring of Shadows for 75K, which gives almost the exact same stats. The passive on the Brimstone can be nice, but it's not the most reliable thing. RSN Daemon Rayge
brimstone ring has +2 str over ring of shadows, as well as a better passive for magic accuracy. it's also only 2.6m, but really only useful in like cox.
Decent advice but enchanted was a bit of a reach just to hit 15 for a title. Theres like a 40k difference in mystic and that set which is effectively nothing. That's like telling someone to not recolour their crystal or graceful.
I’m only going to disagree with the “dragon items bad” people because I’ve managed to get 2 of the trimmed ornaments from clue scrolls (legs and square shield) so I’m going for a full set and I think that’ll look dope if done legit
Heavy on the archers ring. Last time I used it was probably years ago for a slayer task or something before ring of the gods or lightbearer. I remember thinking it was so good back in the day but damn that ring is such noob bait and I fell for it hard.
Anyone that is able to afford 3rd age will obviously know that they are not real useful outside fashion. Plus I should go inform Oda that Kaoz said to not buy 3rd age for any reason for any point.
I think the Tokyz-xil-ul and the Toktz-mej-tal is the coolest dead piece of content for Ranged/Magic respectfully. Sitting at 500gp more than a rune arrow, and 300k more than a trident of the seas, it is no wonder that people skip over them instantly, hell I bet you didn't even know what I was talking about until I said Ranged and Magic. RSN Chaga_Enoki
I will say ancient "sceptre" really stopped the need for mains to grab a master wand. B4 sceptre existed id say its still worth it as its ur bis acients autocast and even if it only saved a few seconds every boss kc that adds up in the long run. Now that sceptre exists it is kinda meh.
I think dragon plate body is super overrated for the cost and stats you get. Even though it's cool I just don't think it's worth it. RSN: Choking Fear Great vid as always!
just a psa but the ring of shadows has the same base line stat as the archer ring and it has a pray bonus as well. while you probably would have surpassed the need for it by the time you do the quest its still a fantastic ring otherwise.
I would add a caviot to all of these by saying if you are playing the game efficiently you should be able to buy buys a stuff with minimal effort. I never struggled to get any of this and i just did slayer eithout killing most bosses excluding jad and cave kraken
look at the boss/content you want to do, do you need to survive or do you need dps? its not always a case of both or even either! some boses its best for dps, some its its best to outlast their dps to drop dps on them.
also depends on skill level..... take you own skill level and skill into account. kbd is easy for many, but some need that armour buff to last a 10kc trip etc.
I think the berserker necklace is pretty useless. It's really only used with a full obsidian set to do bonus damage with a strength bonus less than an Amulet of Strength (although it has a +3 prayer bonus, but -10 on all melee offense and -20 on ALL defenses). RSN: PoniThePoni
Berserker necklace, obby armor and sword is better than a whip and fury in nmz or low def targets. +20% damage is way more beneficial than 3 strength bonus and 10 accuracy bonus and 20 defence. Definitely would not call it useless.
RSN Abasi Amun The most useless items in the game to me aren't traditionally buyable. One is the inclusion of every type of fire arrow just for the one obstacle in Underground Pass that have literally no other use. And yes when I was young I DID make over a thousand adamant fire arrows to use in the wilderness. The second is the megarare item the battleship which is only buyable if you are buying accounts. People have spent thousands of real, actual dollars rwting for these status accounts just to have them instantly banned.
Any halberds. You’re much better off training range and safe spotting with those or using other strength training melee weapons for higher dps RSN: Cree Empire
Since BCP feels like a waste of money and BA sucks, I decided to buy justiciar chestplate. Best decision of my life, I can have larger pvm and slayer trips and I use less resources.
I love and agree with most of your videos but this one is kinda trash to be honest... Also full Armadyl is not useless... you can wear it at level 70 ranged and it's needed to fortify masori just like you said. Also this video is a little outdated so I'll give you a pass on the Rapier because you are correct before the fang was nerfed the rapier is definitely a worthy investment now imo especially if you're a NMZ warrior it will save you about 6 hours from 90-99 attack/strength/defense and can be used at lvl 80 as apposed to 82 on top of it being better at a lot of bosses because it's a 4 tick while the fang is a 5. They're both very good weapons though! Just don't get an archer ring? are you crazy man?? Venator ring is 64m while archers is 4m... and you can imbue it basically for free... I still love you and all your videos but this one was definitely a miss.
While ahrims is good for bossing, when it comes to bursting there are much better alternatives. It's not that rare to see someone rocking them on a slayer task. RSN: Dio117
personally I use prayer robes, but magic robes do give a bit of dps, I think up to a percent or two at best. Ahrims give very little edge ober mystics so I definitely agree. It's not a large difference by any means, as long as you're not wearing proselyte😅 proselyte as magic robes is a silly meme that still holds some ground
i would disagree on the BCP here, its really not that expensive considering the actual time it takes to get a torso or the about 200m you'd have to drop to boost for it
People really drop 200m to boost for a torso? You might as well just buy bcp at that point lol. Even if you're using your main to pay that for a torso on your ironman account, I really don't think BA with randoms is so bad that it's worth 200m to avoid it.
Who tf is boosting for a torso? Let alone spending 200m to do it??? Just watch a BA guide. In 10 minutes you’ll know every role. Then you spend like 3 hours playing the minigame and you have the torso. I can’t believe noobs this big exist.
Can we please stop acting like BA is a bad minigame? Every content creator latches onto the meme that BA is bad but its really not. Its a legitimately enjoyable minigame that is actually engaging, and its also one of the *few* parts of this **mmo** that actually requires that you work with other players. I know that its mostly a joke to say that BA is bad but when *everyone* keeps saying its bad content it puts newer players off from actually going and getting their Fighter Torso.
Good list but how are you going to spend a few minutes arguing the Archer's Ring as a never buy (a +8 range attack boost) but say Pegasians are a wait (a +5 range boost over God dhide). You're way better off with Devout Boots for a +5 prayer for a fraction of the price. Both Archers Ring and Pegasions should be a never buy
It's so funny how hard the Ghrazi Rapier got powercreeped. At least with other items it serves a niche use or is something you can naturally get through progression, but nobody is grinding normal TOB before TOA. Actually useless now. RSN: FunnyAndEpic
gracias Kaoz, el set dragon tampoco lo veo muy util, RSN Draquiton
Hola David, gracias por tu comentario. Acabamos de hacer la rifa y ganaste :D Agregamos en el juego Lkaoz y nos vemos para tu bond!
Hey Kaoz! I got back into RuneScape a few months ago after a ~10-year hiatus. Cannot stress enough how helpful your content has been. From videos like this to the Level 99 guides, can't thank you enough. It's helped me to create a fairly balanced main account and though my account is still fairly nooby, I'm fully back to enjoying the game.
Cheers! Hope you have a great weekend!
Love the comment man, appreciate it a lot. Any questions we're here to help :D
Stop glazing the channel.
@@toiletbagel1596 shut your mouth nerd
The Dragon Platebody is definitely an item you should not consider buying. In most cases the fighter torso, a Barrows item or tbh proselyte armour will be the better setup. Costing over 2 mil its just not worth using it :)
RSN Nocyllis
I had bought a dragon platebody because I really wanted one when I was a kid back in like 2006 lol. But I did end up reselling it not long after.
I used dragon plate (except the helmet and shield ofc) as soon as I hit 60, picked up slayer helmet and now im at 82 attack 76 str 75 def. Imo it’s worth it for the defence if you have the legs and boots because I’d just use str pots.
I did cast it away to my bank after I hit about 70 prayer.
it’s cheaper for me to make money for pots rather than buy 60 mill worth of gear, even in the long run if it isn’t I’m at least leveling while I do other things.
Looks cool tho
I am currently using an obsidian platebody for melee. I need to get around to doing barbarian assault.
@@m4xw3ll75dragon platebody is way more expensive at 2m than any of the tank barrows chests (torag, dharok, ghutan) and still has worse stats. It’s useless and only a money trap, because you can use it at a lower levl
any BCP enjoyers?
I just like the way it looks and I'd rather not do BA
They look great with my prims
I will max before I complete barbarian assault.
@@michaelmccoy2384
I paid for my torso back when it was only 24m for BA Services
Now they charge an insane 100m+
Ridiculous that they expect to make more money than solo 500 TOA.
I have torso and BCP, best believe that torso is gathering dust
Blessed ss is really cheap to use, like 10gp a hit. Same speed as a whip with strength options. Better than abbysal dagger with defender
The only one I don't fully agree with is acb. It has a longer range than any other crossbow, other than zcb, and is really nice for sara godwars or budget inferno.
It is literally better than DHCB. Theres like 3 dragons in the entire game where the niche effect makes it the winner. 2 specs and increase likelihood of bolts effect is hands down better.
@@SlimReaper1997 cox (raid with 1.4b and multiple hundred m plus drops), vorkath (the best constant money maker in the game), and brutal blacks (arguably the best afk money in the game).
Correct only 3 dragons that are best cash in game in nearly every style.
Acb useless
acb spec is useful at muspah
Acb is good for nex too. 2 spaces further away In range phase is huge damage negation over time in long boss grinds.
@@LoewenKP90umm u forgot hydra
Full dragon armor (including dragon full helm) is useless because you would much rather have the strength bonus from any other armor and the dragon full helm is ridiculously expensive. The exception is the boots.
RSN: ReavenTank
@@_Professor_OakGonna call BS on that. Getting my d boots on the iron was huge. I got a max hit but even better was the defense. I absolutely felt the improvement over climbing boots.
Massively disagree with the Rapier not being useful for slayer. Run some DPS calculations, for low defence slayer monsters, Rapier DPS is waaaay better.
I think he's implying you should be using a fang for slayer which makes no sense. Dark beasts? Sure but nobody is killing low defense gargs with a fang lmao.
100% support rapier, literally the best strength trainer once you can use it.
The fang is more versatile. For new players like me this is super important.
I'd rather drop 200mill Before playing barbarian assault at all
lmao
Cute noob
@@gfyGoogle wut
It's really not bad. I got fight torso in like 2 hrs
@@fireice8828 its been 500 hours.....please....i need the torso!!!! Uhhhhhhh i hate defender role :3
You don't really have any consistency when it comes to your gear guides. In the gear progression guide you recommend buying a master wand before even getting an occult necklace...then in this guide you say it's "absolutely not a good idea to get them" when referring to any of the MTA wands...
You could probably make an argument for all dragon armor, but specifically the Kite and Full Helm because they are insanely expensive for no reason other than being rare. Full helm is just super rare and Kite comes from Adamant Dragons which nobody kills.
RSN: RTJ4
Hearing your Bandon Chestplate vs. Fighter Torso logic is like, the little nudge I needed to finally start sending some BA rounds; digging the content! 💎
Don't do BA, read all the comments saying BA isn't worth the rage. Just buy obsidian if you really need an extra +1 to your hit
@@MaxiemumKarnage looking to complete the Elite Diary + I’m pet hunting so BA in inevitable for me 🙃 good looking out tho!
@@Dash_Inc Nobody is making you do the diary
BA is really not that bad, idk why people hate it sooo much. Ya it's not necessarily fun but it's not even that bad, and is quicker than people make it seem like lol
I didnt like BA at all but i was only there for a few hours to get the chest piece for free.
This is great, just got 147m back in useless items I had in my bank. Do you have any up-to-date progression guides I can look at? I want to know whether to prioritize things like BIS rings or pushing for another weapon, etc
bruh acb has an additional tile of range over the dragon crossbow. that is the most important part of the item which you completely left out, making it a viable budget weapon for zuk before tbow or bowfa+crystal. you cannot hit the jad on the far side of the shield rotation without a 10 tile range weapon. "deserves to be thrown in the trash" is just an uninformed take. you gotta remember items have specific uses and evaluating them on general usefulness is pretty much pointless. one single strong use case for any item is enough reason to buy it if you're doing that content, and just resell it when you're done. acb has two. zuk like i mentioned and when doing solo zilyana 0 damage taken kiting method the dcb must be set to long range while the ACB can do it on rapid. this is a far shot from "avoid like the plague"
Another great video! I am really enjoying all the different types of progression guides you've been putting out as it helps me plan things out better. Instead of just deciding what skill to level next or what content to do, I can think about how to progress my gear / tools for content AND when to move onto new content AND how to map my skill growth around it.
One thing I would ask - If you can try not to abbreviate item names? Especially when you say them - I only just barely know what a "Nezzy helm" is. I imagine many people on their gear progression journey do not recognize the name off-hand. I understand abbreviating it in the text on-screen so you can keep it brief and organized - if you can remember to say the full name of the item I think that would help :D
Otherwise you could provide a reference list to the items you talk about in the video but I fully recognize that would be a significant time + effort investment so I don't think it's near as reasonable of an ask.
Yeah, I totally agree. I'm a maxed RS3 player switching to OSRS and I have no idea what most of these items are if they weren't in RS3.
your recent video suggests using the Saradomin sword for strength training, but this one says to completely avoid it. Did something change with prices, or its usefulness or something?
It's interesting that you didn't mention the Dragon equipment such as Dragon Full Helm, Dragon Platebody, Dragon Platelegs, and Dragon Chainbody, as they offer no offensive bonuses and are worse than dirt cheap barrows equipment which offers significantly better defensive bonuses.
There's also a ton of other noobtrap gear items like the Abyssal Dagger, which is strictly worse than the Dragon Dagger in every scenario except against high defense enemies, in which case you'd want a different special attack entirely, it is quite literally not used anywhere except Vasa in COX.
Another awful item from Sire is the Abyssal Bludgeon. It was decent for strength training, but now it's only real use is as a budget crush weapon for Nightmare, which is a boss that nobody actually does.
Bludgeon is great for slayer tasks like gargs, cerb, and waterfiends as well as KQ. Tf are you saying?
@@MaxiemumKarnage Fang is just as good at gargs, fang & arclight are better at cerb, nobody does water fiends, and the Keris partisan is always BIS for melee KQ and it costs 0 GP.
@@MaxiemumKarnagefang go brr
The d plate, full helm and kiteshield I understand, but what's wrong with d chain and legs? They're both dirt cheap. There's no reason not to use them at 60 defense.
@@Leetfaction Not using a fighter torso is literally just negative money and there's a lot better tank legs than dragon plate it's not that much higher level.
I'm so glad I got through acerbic defender when it was like 20 million. I'll say I do agree with some of your thoughts especially now with the new updates to the game. If you do have some of the older gear like arma don't go rushing off to sell it. I'd hold onto it until you can afford the updates.
Primordial Boots. 28m for *slightly* better defense and +1 strength? No thanks, I’ll stick to my Dragon Boots for 150k
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i've also found a brimstone ring is good value for mid level accounts that dont have enough points to imbue the archer/berserker ring. I think it gives the same stats as all the regular DK rings combined
Imbuing rings is free and takes 45 minutes at Duel Arena.
decent for cox as well if you don't have ultor
i like brimstone ring when maging as it reduces the monsters defense.
you can also bring a tome of water for bursting/barraging and get a damage bonus plus infinite water runes.
I’ve used a fighter torso for a few months until I got to a stage where I make good money daily, then I bought bcp for defence which makes slayer and some bossing much better. Still got the torso at bank for master clues 🤷♂️
Same, I got torso and honestly since I mainly do slayer anyway ide rather just have the defence bonus from bcp.
I feel like Archer's Ring is good for Vorkath until you get your DHL and gear to melee him instead, since RoS and lightbearer (unless you're using BP) doesn't work as well on him. Other than that, yeah I can't think of an honest reason to use it until you're able to get venator.
Useless item: Amy's Saw. Just use the Imcando hammer with a basic saw as it is much easier to get and you have to use a hammer with a saw anyway.
Want to be able to combine Amy’s saw/crystal saw and Imcandos hammer
Imcando also has uses in other areas, such as smithing. It also won’t get washed away during Tempoross either.
really love your vids, ive seen people recommend getting acb in nex for its 1+ tile distance and spec, would it still be worth it as a budget setup or still stick to dcb?
Stick to dcb and invest in more supplies till drop bc you won't make shit at nex till you hit big
Yes man yes higher accuracy means more Nex damage, use acb on the way to your zcb don't listen to these people
Id have to say ACB is needed for nex in the long haul. The 2 tiles back in range phase is more kills over time. Less healing/moredps.
Idk who is bringing anyone who has anything less then acb unless masses
Why not just get dhcb, use that to make money and then sell dhcb for bowfa + crystal set instead though? They're around the same price, but one of them allows you to make money quite fast in places like Vork, brutal blacks and cox.
So normally I wouldn’t make a comment just to disagree with a point, but the difference in DPS between the DCB and the ACB is actually insane. It shaved almost an entire minute of my Vorkath kill time
Disagree with archers ring. It had always been a pretty cheap upgrade. First time seeing it isn't worth the cost
A lot of these boil down to just ‘Don’t buy cosmetics because they’re expensive and don’t help your account.’ If that’s your point, then just say it. Don’t tell people not to buy enchanted robes and then fail to mention all the other cosmetic alternative items like trimmed armour, god armour, trimmed wizard robes, etc.
Every time I’m looking for mage gear on a new account and decide on mystics, I buy the gloves by accident. A combat bracelet is just strictly better.
ba has a dedicated group that speeds thru very fast and they are super welcoming to learners. Torso only takes 1-2 hours with normal teammates. I havent had leavers very often
3rd age pickaxe is objectively worse than a dragon pickaxe because it cannot be upgraded into either crystal or infernal varieties. It costs literally a thousand times as much.
difference between primordial boots and d boots are +1 strength and like +8 on melee defences... WAY too expensive for what it is
The item that I find the most useless of them all is gp.
People think they can buy anything with it (right?) but you can actually focus on goals and grind every single worth item in the game, no matter how long does it take because what is really important are the friends we do along the way.
PD: Returning to play my fav childhood's game have been a great experience thanks for you teachings Kaoz! ¡Tus videos son geniales! RSN Pepe Le Pew7.
For me the thing I regretted buying because I only bought it for getting 1 zulrah kill for the diary is ahrim's set, dont use it anywhere
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Im gonna disagree with the rapier if you are training melee on monsters with no defense stats. Fang performs way better against defense because of it’s passive effect, but with no defense your dps is higher with a rapier because it’s a 4 tick weapon
Dragon Crossbow has been amazing help with doing Dragon Slayer and Vorkath at just 80 range. That +4 range is massive for high def enemies
Dragon c'bow is basically an expensive rune c'bow...
@@waterzoip If you're questing? Nah. The dragon bolts are amazing, Leviathan was first try with it.
how is fang an upgrade to rapier lmao people use rapier for slayer because its faster and slayer mobs dont have high defense
the fang got a recent nerf too right?
the only reason to buy a master wand, is if you are bursting; and you don't want to spend the price for a kodai wand. The negative prayer bonus on the ancient staff and scepter makes them not ideal.
Eh, -1 Prayer bonus is not a big deal
Keeping my rapier at TOA release and buying my fang on day of release still hurts to this day
has buying any high tier gear on day of release ever gone well for anybody
"If you see a main account using full arma you can make fun of them."
Woah, hey. Chill. Some of us just came back to the game and aren't super vigilant of what we should be using and when. It was BiS before I came back. Maybe tell someone in Arma what they're doing wrong instead of being a dick.
Forgot I can't joke in 2024 because of fragile people like you 🥲🥲🥲
I feel like BA with randoms isnt as bad as it used to be
Acb is 100% worth it if you plan to spend any time at muspah and can't afford a zcb the ability to spec twice with boosted bolt proc accuracy is huge for the smite phase unless you perfect skipping the shield altogether, also Wands attack a whole tick speed faster than staves when auto casting, it's the difference between a dragon scim and a dragon long, wands are undoubtedly better than their staff counterparts and that's the reason their price is so much higher lmao and all wands can autocast ancients, enchanted has literally identical stats to mystic as well so it's really just about not wearing the same mystic robes everyone else has lmao
Pegasian boots was the first immediate thing I thought of reading the video title after realizing it has no Ranged strength
Also, shout out to skcusxegaj for warning me not to buy Armadyl. I was planning to buy Armadyl first, then once I can afford Masori, dismantle the Armadyl to make Masori (f), but he convinced me to just go buy Masori first given Armadyl's lack of Ranged strength
What should I get beside full dragon? I have 60 att/str/def.
If you can tolerate Barbarian Assault, go get a fighter torso there, then pair it up with obsidian platelegs. They both have strength bonus, which is what you want to prioritize for your armor. If you don't want to bother with Barbarian Assault (like I did), go for obsidian platebody instead
Your next upgrade after that would be Bandos chestplate and Bandos tassets at 65 Defence, but they are much more expensive (30M and 20M respectively), so might be a while until you can get them
@@LionHeartSamyok Awesome! Much appreciated!
Do you think the avernic defender is really worth the 97m upgrade…? For me it gives a little bit more stats, but honestly if it was 60m, I’d buy it. I just think it’s too expensive for what it is.
It is worth it eventually, just no need to rush it
@@KaozOSRS I have the money and max stats, so maybe I should just suck it up and get it. Haha
i got mine at 80m for wildy bosses because it's a 4% dps increase. but honestly not too useful. there are some scenarios where it will give you a max hit atleast, but definitely not worth the 100m before most things
@@colonian83 At one point it was like 40m I believe, and I was going to buy it. Then it shot up to 90m and I said fuckkkk no lol
yeah don't bother, the educated decision is leave it to the very end.@@taylorknight8375
Can i ask for your thoughts on the brimstone ring?
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Spirit shields used to be solid content… are they now dead? I mean you got buckler and others now that high levels use. Don’t see too many spirit shield refs for high level equipment when bossing and such. Maybe I’m just a noob
spectral spirit shield is huge at cerb.
The most useless item in the game is the "Tile" you see in the wilderness, there is no use for that item in skills. "RSN" BlushOneChan
Kaoz - "Don't ever buy 3rd age."
B0aty - "Hold my beer."
Another thing which is rlly amazing rn is that u can buy the blood moon armor which has the same str bonus as bcp and tasset but just way less defensive stats. Even lower than a torso but atleast u dont need to do BA xD
Bandos armor makes your max hit increase by +1…. But justiciar and save TONS of money on p pots and food instead
I had justicar, its useless for slayer because you can wear verac's, a fang and a dragonfire shield and have more dps, and prayer, and defense, than full justicar with the bis weapon of the game. Against krill, zamorak, its better have a slayer task and wear range armour.
Only usefull with a dinh bullwark setup and some niche stuff that nodoby does regularly.
@@polentusmax6100 what the hell are you talking about lol. Veracs with fang and dfs is the same dps as justi with fang and dfs but less less defensive bonuses lmao. You get 1 extra prayer using veracs vs justi which when you have a bonus of 20+ is nothing, especially considering the extra food you’ll have to eat wearing veracs armour over justiciar
@@CaptnBeeBop dude, pls, justicar is only worth with the full set, that cost 53 million right now, you loose all the boost from a slayer helmet with full set, and wearing the top and bottom alone is like wearing armadyl in slayer. Food is cheap, you have better options to tank in prayer and def as i said, with verac or proselyte, and the fang is so accurate on slayer that you can ditch your dragon defender for a dragonfire shield (if you dont have a avernic) and have more dps and defense, like 98% accuracy vs 97.5%
There will be a new proselite armor with the def stats of verac and more prayer tha proselyte, but everyone is guessing that the tankness of justicar will be usefull there in the waves.
Thats my opinion right now, but i liked in the past, maybe it will change again. When i liked, every piece cost less than 10 milion, so it was not 100k in the grave every time you die for each part and instead was 10k, thats the problem of justicar for me, too many expensive pieces.
@@polentusmax6100 you’re so dumb it makes my head hurt lol.
Justiciar platebody defenses: stab: 132, slash: 130, crush: 117, range: 142
Veracs platebody: stab: 81, slash: 95, crush: 85, range: 81
Justiciar platelegs: stab: 95, slash: 92, crush: 93, range: 102
Veracs skirt: stab: 85 slash: 82, crush: 83, range 84
You can see the defensive bonuses are WAY higher for Justiciar. Then if you decide to wear the helm you get a multiplier ON TOP of the base defensive bonuses.
Bro it’s 2024 almost and you’re still using Veracs? Omegalul 😂
@@polentusmax6100 btw, dps difference between defender and dfs is like 10%. Doesn’t matter what you’re wearing. That’s massive lol. And when I mention eating im not talking food COSTS, im talking about the ticks you lose to eating, meaning justi is better dps because you eat way less. Jeez dude you’re a next level noob. But hey play how you wanna play lmfao
Rapier for slayer is generally better.
No it's not.
It really isn't.
Sorry.
@@davemeade4371it is, it hits faster than fang. you are wrong
fang is 13m now
great video lots of good info as i'm at the stage where i could be upgrading to this gear. think i'd rather put the 30mil+ on bandos chestplate than blay ba though.
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The main one I disagree with on here is the rapier. Fang is a piece of garbage on most low def stuff, particularly for slayer. Calling it an upgrade over the rapier shows a lack of understanding of the purposes of these items. As someone who is going for max but not doing pvm, rapier is far more useful to me than fang.
Longbows. All of them. Haven't seen a single person ever use it unironically.
RSN: Adriancica
i would say all dragon full helm. too rare and expensive for what it provides. love it for nostalgia sake but anyone learning and progressing should avoid it. great video
RSN: SocialAnarch
Netzi Faceguard when Serp is so affordable, has better defense and protects from poison and venom. If you're doing switches though then it can make sense since it doesn't have the negative range and magic bonus. Plus with the netzi, you're not going to use it at all during slayer. Also, primordial Boots. Only +1 str bonus over the much much much cheaper dragon boots, and has minimal attack bonus. I would buy them likely last and for me, its a toss up between that and a BCP and I've actually been sitting on cash because I just can't decide and neither really seem worth it yet lol.
RSN - Ely Waves
Only if you do zulrah and vorkath often
serp upkeep is very expensive and cuts into your profits. netty faceguard is a good upgrade if you can afford, if you cant stick with netty helm
Primordial boots, hardly a dps increase over dragon boots which cost a fraction of the price less is insane, 4 str bonus vs 5, and only +2 accuracy which is negligable. for 30m, you can get a torture, obsidian legs and ferocious gloves which still costs less than prims, and offers you much more bang for your buck. osrs/rsn Autoswitched
Any of the white armour pieces and weapons that require you to kill 1,300 black knights. With the expectation of the 2H since its needed for an elite diary.
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Dragon Armor and/or trimmed armor, literately just looks different and costs way more, RSN, CausticAlpha
thanks nerd. yet another useful guide at the right time
where prims at? they kinda usless for the +1 strength bonus they give for like 30 mill more than dragon boots
I would personally argue Brimstone ring is also a semi-useless or overrated item. Especially if you're a Chad who already has completed DT2 where you can buy the Ring of Shadows for 75K, which gives almost the exact same stats. The passive on the Brimstone can be nice, but it's not the most reliable thing.
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brimstone ring has +2 str over ring of shadows, as well as a better passive for magic accuracy. it's also only 2.6m, but really only useful in like cox.
idk if i would say that about the ghrazi quite yet with fang nerfs on the horizon. but if the nerfs are mild then yes skip the rapier
Decent advice but enchanted was a bit of a reach just to hit 15 for a title. Theres like a 40k difference in mystic and that set which is effectively nothing. That's like telling someone to not recolour their crystal or graceful.
I’m only going to disagree with the “dragon items bad” people because I’ve managed to get 2 of the trimmed ornaments from clue scrolls (legs and square shield) so I’m going for a full set and I think that’ll look dope if done legit
3A isn't as expensive as it is because of its rarity, 3A is as expensive as it is because the price is manipulated to the moon by merching clans
Literally anything Guthix related - god book, TT items, etc. Zero use in GWD and would obviously use a different god item(s) instead. RSN Ph8forger
I have a rapier, should I just sell it? Or keep it?
I'd sell especially because fang is around 10m
Heavy on the archers ring. Last time I used it was probably years ago for a slayer task or something before ring of the gods or lightbearer. I remember thinking it was so good back in the day but damn that ring is such noob bait and I fell for it hard.
Anyone that is able to afford 3rd age will obviously know that they are not real useful outside fashion.
Plus I should go inform Oda that Kaoz said to not buy 3rd age for any reason for any point.
I think the Tokyz-xil-ul and the Toktz-mej-tal is the coolest dead piece of content for Ranged/Magic respectfully. Sitting at 500gp more than a rune arrow, and 300k more than a trident of the seas, it is no wonder that people skip over them instantly, hell I bet you didn't even know what I was talking about until I said Ranged and Magic. RSN Chaga_Enoki
Hey chat. Play how you want to. Sara sword is really good. And looks cool.
I will say ancient "sceptre" really stopped the need for mains to grab a master wand. B4 sceptre existed id say its still worth it as its ur bis acients autocast and even if it only saved a few seconds every boss kc that adds up in the long run. Now that sceptre exists it is kinda meh.
I think dragon plate body is super overrated for the cost and stats you get. Even though it's cool I just don't think it's worth it.
RSN: Choking Fear
Great vid as always!
blessed sara sword is stronger than abby dagger/ d def and only costs 175k for a full charge. rapier is better than fang at most slayer creatures
just a psa but the ring of shadows has the same base line stat as the archer ring and it has a pray bonus as well. while you probably would have surpassed the need for it by the time you do the quest its still a fantastic ring otherwise.
Whats that plugin that shows certain prayers called?
No idea. The only prayer plugin I use is to hide useless ones
rapier is great for slayer over fang. Whip is about the same tho tbf but its definitely not dead content it is slightly better
I agree with except pegs, drip is priceless 🤣
I would add a caviot to all of these by saying if you are playing the game efficiently you should be able to buy buys a stuff with minimal effort. I never struggled to get any of this and i just did slayer eithout killing most bosses excluding jad and cave kraken
look at the boss/content you want to do, do you need to survive or do you need dps? its not always a case of both or even either! some boses its best for dps, some its its best to outlast their dps to drop dps on them.
also depends on skill level..... take you own skill level and skill into account. kbd is easy for many, but some need that armour buff to last a 10kc trip etc.
basically what im saying is weapons n armour mean nothing if the skill cap aint there. the bis doesnt mean youre going to beat it.
I think the berserker necklace is pretty useless. It's really only used with a full obsidian set to do bonus damage with a strength bonus less than an Amulet of Strength (although it has a +3 prayer bonus, but -10 on all melee offense and -20 on ALL defenses).
RSN: PoniThePoni
Berserker necklace, obby armor and sword is better than a whip and fury in nmz or low def targets. +20% damage is way more beneficial than 3 strength bonus and 10 accuracy bonus and 20 defence. Definitely would not call it useless.
Literally one of the best training methods for melee in the game
Me as a hardcore ironman
"yea dont worry I'll never get that one"
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The most useless items in the game to me aren't traditionally buyable. One is the inclusion of every type of fire arrow just for the one obstacle in Underground Pass that have literally no other use. And yes when I was young I DID make over a thousand adamant fire arrows to use in the wilderness.
The second is the megarare item the battleship which is only buyable if you are buying accounts. People have spent thousands of real, actual dollars rwting for these status accounts just to have them instantly banned.
Any halberds. You’re much better off training range and safe spotting with those or using other strength training melee weapons for higher dps
RSN: Cree Empire
chally is good as a special but that's about it
Since BCP feels like a waste of money and BA sucks, I decided to buy justiciar chestplate. Best decision of my life, I can have larger pvm and slayer trips and I use less resources.
Dragon platebody or dragon fullhelm. Both items are not worth the massive price and have cheaper alternatives!
RSN: InfectedLil
Rapier is on the rise at the moment. It gets more useful every day because of the daisy chain of nerfs.
The Dragonfire Shield has lost all relevance due to the Extended Super Anti-fire
Rsn: Hermaus M
I love and agree with most of your videos but this one is kinda trash to be honest... Also full Armadyl is not useless... you can wear it at level 70 ranged and it's needed to fortify masori just like you said. Also this video is a little outdated so I'll give you a pass on the Rapier because you are correct before the fang was nerfed the rapier is definitely a worthy investment now imo especially if you're a NMZ warrior it will save you about 6 hours from 90-99 attack/strength/defense and can be used at lvl 80 as apposed to 82 on top of it being better at a lot of bosses because it's a 4 tick while the fang is a 5. They're both very good weapons though! Just don't get an archer ring? are you crazy man?? Venator ring is 64m while archers is 4m... and you can imbue it basically for free... I still love you and all your videos but this one was definitely a miss.
While ahrims is good for bossing, when it comes to bursting there are much better alternatives. It's not that rare to see someone rocking them on a slayer task.
RSN: Dio117
personally I use prayer robes, but magic robes do give a bit of dps, I think up to a percent or two at best. Ahrims give very little edge ober mystics so I definitely agree.
It's not a large difference by any means, as long as you're not wearing proselyte😅 proselyte as magic robes is a silly meme that still holds some ground
proselyte is the best for bursting and even beats everything at nechreyals
@@vivekjk6729respect, meme enjoyer 😁
One of the most classic items that are also useless is the dragon pieces. From chain mail to full helm.
RSN: Yuukazin
So many good points on this video. Thanks !
i would disagree on the BCP here, its really not that expensive considering the actual time it takes to get a torso or the about 200m you'd have to drop to boost for it
People who boost for Torso have the IQ of a toilet plunger tho. Cringe for even thinking that's acceptable
Dumb mfers can spend 400$ on rsgp but can't figure out dropping food next to a trap.
Logic.
People really drop 200m to boost for a torso? You might as well just buy bcp at that point lol.
Even if you're using your main to pay that for a torso on your ironman account, I really don't think BA with randoms is so bad that it's worth 200m to avoid it.
Who tf is boosting for a torso? Let alone spending 200m to do it???
Just watch a BA guide. In 10 minutes you’ll know every role. Then you spend like 3 hours playing the minigame and you have the torso.
I can’t believe noobs this big exist.
Can we please stop acting like BA is a bad minigame? Every content creator latches onto the meme that BA is bad but its really not. Its a legitimately enjoyable minigame that is actually engaging, and its also one of the *few* parts of this **mmo** that actually requires that you work with other players. I know that its mostly a joke to say that BA is bad but when *everyone* keeps saying its bad content it puts newer players off from actually going and getting their Fighter Torso.
No. Nice pasta tho
Good list but how are you going to spend a few minutes arguing the Archer's Ring as a never buy (a +8 range attack boost) but say Pegasians are a wait (a +5 range boost over God dhide). You're way better off with Devout Boots for a +5 prayer for a fraction of the price. Both Archers Ring and Pegasions should be a never buy
Bro -5 strength for no avernic is huge , avernic should be a must have !
It's so funny how hard the Ghrazi Rapier got powercreeped. At least with other items it serves a niche use or is something you can naturally get through progression, but nobody is grinding normal TOB before TOA. Actually useless now. RSN: FunnyAndEpic
better for general slayer than the fang