thats actually bad for a villain..bcoz when you start feeling for the villain then he is no longer a villain for people ...he is just a man who went insane and does insane things and people feel sympathy towards him bcoz they know why he is doing it. One of the reason ledger's joker was cool bcoz you don't sympathise with him..you don't see an emotional side or past of him..you just see a god damn psycho crazy villain with brains and no fear.
@Kunal Singh I think the developers of this movie weren’t aiming towards the movie being fully dc repeated. I think there goal was to show the viewers how a mentally disordered person adapts in the world. Then for the dc part of it, There were two choices: I think they either realized that the story they were telling was similar to a dc character so they decided to throw in a little bit of dc in there or they wanted their movie to be the most popular so instead they added in Easter eggs related to dc such as the Wayne family and the name joker.
This scene is so beautifully symbolic. Joker is always trying to get Batman to step over the line and enter his world. Bruce is never that far from becoming the very people he protects others from. Just a simple gate to step outside of. Fantastic scene.
@Peniley Majorey Joker is meant to be a case study on the character more or less no? You think people aren't going to analyze a work that's meant to all be symbolic or interconnected in order to showcase why a character is what they are?
Off topic: Heath ledger (rapist) originally committed suicide. Whining Batman fans had to beg higher officials to alter the reason to OD'ed. Joaquin is genuine winner.
@@nerdgeekcosplay909 Standarts? Joker? Dude Riddler or Cobblepot has standarts not that fella. Joker kills innocent people, womans, children he has no standarts just a twisted mind with full of hate and anger to all human kind. He is a lost cause
@@emperoriithepenguin8608 His origins really doesn't matter to me if he killed innocent people and children. All gotham villains have a terrible past yeah but none of them are dishonorable like Joker. Your terrible past not a excuse for killing innocent people or children or women whatever.
Remember when Bruce becomes batman this Joker will die bc he will be too old,there will be a new Joker when Bruce actually becomes Batman and prolly that Joker will fall into the chemichals and he will also most likely be inspired by arthur fleck Edit: lmao i forgot i even commented that 2 yrs ago this but tbh i still kinda think what I originally said but i also think this joker might also be the one who becomes batmans eternal nemeis and joker doesnt need to fall into the chemicals to become the joker and we all know heath ledgers( RIP heath ) joker in the dark knight who didnt fall in chemicals but still became batmans nemesis joker and was an amazing joker, also joker doesnt need to fall into the chemicals to be the joker, and I feel like arthur flecks joker will stay like this because he already became the joker at the end or he might fall into the chemicals which will stop him from ageing or make him age slower and i would really like if arthur flecks joker turned out to be the one that becomes batmans iconic nemesis and also in the main universe or like its known that there are actually three jokers in the batman universe in general so it would make sense if there is more than one joker in the same time period
Bruce is so calm and simply observing Arthur's actions. Batman was hidden deep inside him just waiting for a right trigger. Bruce was always supposed to be the batman.
@shaggy2531 Well Batman's main purpose is to instill fear in criminals, his goal of betterment for Gotham was always going to be a goal for an adult Bruce Wayne, dead parents or not.
This inverts the whole genre: it puts a comic character in our world instead of putting us into the comics’ world. Genius. My late spouse would’ve loved it; he taught me to see comics as an alternative, almost subversive, historical record, and now I think they’re-genius.
@@marinomolina8944 Sure! I was an actress-turned-(published!) novelist, so I saw comics as a bad marriage between a book and a movie storyboard. Then my husband showed me 1960’s-70s “underground comix” like AMERICAN SPLENDOR and FRITZ THE CAT, which covered mainstream-banned topics and counterculture. Mainstream comics’ relevance lies in reflecting their time and culture, as they’re produced fast enough to follow and create trends. They’re immediate, specific, but endure for generations: who hasn’t heard of Batman? And they’re progressive: they had three-dimensional female and multicolored heroes well before other genres. They’re also a global phenomenon. Some of the sharpest political satire on every continent came in the form of cartoons, more accessible than articles since they make their point in one frame. My husband was pretty convincing; I’m not switching genres, but I developed a new respect for the venerable art of comics…
It's sad because as insane as he is, Arthur doesn't feel any ill will toward Bruce for living the life he feels should have been his. He doesn't resent him for being raised in a mansion by Thomas Wayne while he was left with an unstable mistress and swept under the rug. He genuinely wants to meet Bruce and have a relationship with him because they're family (or so he believes).
That's a really interesting point, It reminds me of Barry Allen/Flash and Malcolm Thawne/Cobalt Blue, Both were twins who were separated by a drunken lunatic idiot doctor, Barry Lived a good childhood and raised with loving parents until Thawne arrived where Malcolm had a crap childhood and was raised by Scummy vile Parents, unlike Arthur who wants a relationship with Bruce, Malcolm/Cobalt Blue is envious and jealous of Barry/Flash
My analysis: In this scene you can tell a young Bruce Wayne is still smarter than the average kid. He isn’t amused by immature jokes, he is serious and always examining his surroundings. Arthur shows in this scene his unpredictability, he attacks Alfred, he is willing to get close to the kid of the wealthiest and most powerful people in Gotham and shows little remorse for his actions. I think this movie shows how Batman and Joker are truly opposite sides of the same coin. Joker uses his tragedies for crime, Batman uses his own tragedies for justice. Excellent foreshadowing for a battle I hope we can see one day.
I just love the restraint to actively not make this historic meeting more grandiose, epic, to the point of it coming across heavy-handed, I respect it so much. We already know their future so intimately, the symbiotic bond they will have, the yin to the other's yang. Here it''s simple, subtle, the faint pulse of Hildur's score gives it this quiet intensity and tension. You see their distinct mannerisms and personalities already through almost no words. Bruce's quiet, withdrawn but observant nature and being mature for his age, and Arthur's playfulness, putting on a show, a performance but also his impulsive unpredictability. It's just perfect.
If Swordfish009 with his top hat and monocle says a fictional character with pretty much 0 dialogue is depressed, You KNOW he's depressed and eating himself up inside.
Although Arthur isn't exactly acting appropriate here, he's actually has good Intentions. Throughout most of the movie he has good Intentions and people always treat him so poorly. Seeing anger swelling up within him as the movie progresses is amazing to see. Brilliant performance from Joaquin Phoenix.
Yep that's the real world for you not taking up for the bad things he did but can relate on to the other part might just be best to unlock scraps in your life cause you might find it's not the scraps of the world that's the problem it's you to fix yourself blessed I found away
He thinks killing Joker would make him just as bad. Even though that is totally not the case. Killing bad people doesn't make you just as bad, it means you had the nads to do the world a favor.
@@grantmortensonva Yeah, I think he tries to avoid stooping to Joker's level but I also think theres a spec of guilt knowing that the very society Batman protects, created Joker to begin with. Bruce understands from a young age that he will never be able to comprehend in the slightest, the trauma that Arthur experienced as a result of the social hierarchy- His family prestige prevents it. Therefore, I think as helping people is innate to Bruce, he at times sees a broken child within Joker but is also smart enough to know that Arthur has fully succumbed himself to Joker and has gone passed the point of help. Establishing this 'frienemy' relationship between them. Batman will always prioritise the safety of the city but if there is a choice between killing joker or not. He would most likely choose not since he painfully understands that collectively they all did Arthur wrong, which in some ways led to the joker now doing wrong. If that makes sense.
@Toori Baba that's the point, they never show him crying or bats flying around or any clue if he would ever dress up as a bat and fight birthday clowns wearing purple or red.
@SeanTen 10 More of like the opposite. It's more like he's a quiet unsocial kid with mental issues and his parents + Alfred are the closest things to friends he has.
This hands down is probably my favorite scene in the film. Both Arthur and Bruce are already showing signs of what they will become in this meeting, which makes the meeting of the soon-to-be enemies that much more chilling. It’s even more poetic when the Batman and the Joker are born around the same time later in the film.
Robert Pattinson's batman is in a different earth if you didn't know , joker doesn't exist in that earth kinda like the multiverse but it's far more complicated in DC so this is actually Ben Affleck's portrayal of Bruce Wayne that's why they're giving Robert's Batman the riddler instead of joker
Agreed while this was an interesting take on Joker's origins, it wasnt the criminal mastermind that is what makes Joker the Joker if you know what I mean.
I don't think the point of this scene is that this is normal behavior or Alfred's reaction is unreasonable. When people have communication disorders/poor social skills they can offend and scare others. I think it helps that his magic tricks aren't too slick in the scene: he seems really awkward. His good intentions (cheer up a somber young boy) don't work out, he's just too weird. You see how he's gonna wind up isolated and ostracized as if he were a bad person.
@@joaquinbarboza3223 He didnt disrespect her directly. He said she was delusional, which she probably was. Then said she was a sick woman, probably meant as mentally sick which is understandable seeing how Arthur is. While it was harsh, it most likely was factual and blunt from Alfred.
I try to see behind the hype we fans build ourselves, but it’s inevitable to get chills when such meaningful encounter is so well executed. The tragic clown in the making, and the child that doesn’t smile or laugh, such beautiful combination… They will spend the rest of their lives recreating this scene, I’m so glad Todd Philips and Joaquin respected these characters so much even when making up the lore…
I don’t have a favorite joker I love them all except Leto only the little cameo in bird of prey but the one who a feel can define in how I I’m and how I see things are (Heath ledger/Joaquin Phoenix/Cameron Monaghan)
My personal 2 favs are Phoenix and Ledger but Mark Hamill's joker is pretty good as well. Don't have an opinion on jack Nicholson because I've never seen the 1989 batman film
@@equivalentexchangeisalie5726 understandable. It would’ve been sick, too because this movie has a great musical score! But I guess watching it late than never is fine
A stranger puts his dirty hands in his mouth Little Bruce just stands there like "ok" Alfred gets almost chocked Little Bruce stands there like "OK" His parents get killed Little Bruce stands there like "OK" Most realistic portrayal of a kid in a movie ever.
Bruce Wayne looked into the eyes of a soon to be broken man and nemesis in the future in that childhood moment. Bruce probably remembered that moment in this universe, and grew to know who the man was after he discovered more when he finally became Batman. The Joker movie is one of my favorite of all time, and the way Joker looked at Bruce was… foreshadowing at its finest.
I find this version of young Bruce and his lack of reactions awesome, the best portrayal. He's stoic, it's in his nature. Not everyone with money and power can become Batman, no matter the trauma. Kid just had it in him, not in the bad way. After all, Batman is genius. His young self might act unusual. I find his lack of fear very fitting, I wouldn't call it psychopatic, but it's somewhat unhealthy, cool detail, love it.
@@grantimusprimeofficial2732 I feel like you can't really compare them. Mazouz's portrayal was good but I'd say that the actor who played Bruce in Joker is a lot more comic accurate.
If they explore Batman I'd find it interesting if they approach vigilantism as something that's more akin to how we see it in reality.. something that can cross the line, be disturbing, or wrong but also the opposite. Batman taking that sort of control irl would definitely rub many people the wrong way.
Staying calm while a stranger put his (Joker) hands into his (Bruce) mouth, just standing when Alfred is getting violence and choking and when his parents got murdered, best UNREALISTIC reactions ever lol
Quick little detail. Notice how Arthur and Bruce wear identical outfits. This is to show that Bruce Wayne (Batman) and Arthur are the same. Of course not like mind wise, but like the Joker quoted in the Dark Knight: “To them your just a freak, like me.” Good little detail by the directors.
Yeah they dress the same but Bruce Wayne is Rich and joker's poor. Bruce Wayne's got the Gucci designer brand wow Arthur fleck has a poor man's version
@@poker8100 Yeah, he's not his brother. At least not the the actual canonical well known universe. I know there was a little hint that maybe he was in Joker, but in the broad scope of things, they are not related.
@@thebatmanfan1309 False, in a scene after Arthur killed his mother, he looks at a photo of his young mother and on the back of the photo, there is a dedication signed by Thomas Wayne, so chances are Arthur if he is his son, then Batman and the joker are half brothers
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@user-oc7yu1uo1d agree, and wasn't Alfred in the British military or something? I felt like when Arthur grabbed him, he should have done something to defend himself.
This lowkey might be the most underrated scene in the film. The symbolism is going crazy in every aspect, from how Bruce and Arthur are dressed, to the gate seperating them, and Arthur giving Bruce a forced smile. Not to sound pretentious, but real Batman fans should know just how powerful and profound all of this is.
God i love this shot so much 0:40 i dont know why. But see them both stares like that its like the first encounter between two legendary nemesis. Looks awsome.
@@Dusves yeahhh bro......and I just can't imagine Christian and Joaquin in a single frame........that would be freaking awesome.....two phenomenal actors making a legendary movie !!
@@rishabhgupta1222 I know this is a little late but that’s because Christian already has an established Joker and History as Batman in his own world already whereas With Joaquin and Robert they potentially COULD Connect
Something so intriguing that I think a lot of people over look is the outfits they’re wearing. Now notice that Arthur and Bruce’s color scheme match (white shirt w Beige jacket and gray pants ) that’s really cool but then if you remember back to Arthur’s Fantasy about being on the Murray show notice how him and Murray are matching as well (Blue jacket blue pants white shirt ). And that scene is clearly established as a fantasy. So it makes you think 🤔...
Notice how immediately after that Arthur is leaning over the sink, then it cuts rt to Arthur leaning over his own kitchen sink in the exact same pose🤔.
It just is evident from the start it's Bruce. A kid who won't laugh at funny tricks from a clown back then just shows how serious life was taken for Bruce. He never socialised with other kids which never made him smile often. And his parents death made it even worse for him. It shows how deep and emotionless was batmans life and how he was a introvert from the beginning
Idk how anyone saw this movie and thought this guy would ever be a serious crime lord someday who would be competent enough to go toe to toe with law enforcement let alone Batman. I also don't know how anyone saw Bruce this young in this movie and thought it'd ever make sense for this Joker to fight his Batman. It was clear from the get-go it was not meant to be a Batman story or a traditional Joker story, just a new adaptation character study. Not once did I think Arthur Fleck would be anything other than a loser inspiring people and I'm glad the sequel was in line with that.
@@abangemirzaihanabangzulkip9502 He never believed in his own ideals. He did was he did simply out of misery. Arthur has always been an insecure, depressed, suicidal man he’s wanted to die since the first film. He put on the clown makeup because it made him feel confident, but he the man himself was a suicidal weak man. Arthur doesn’t have the mindset to be the official joker Arthur doesn’t have the mental strength to either. Trying to turn this frail man into the joker would’ve been character assassination. While I dislike the film for the singing, the story itself is alright if you paid attention to the first movie.
@@morbidzombiithe joker is also in around his 50s in batman the animated series. Joker 2 is a horrible comic adaptation and this is a common example of what happens when you try to run away too far from the source material. They did this with borderlands and it crashed, they did this with rick and morty by trynna turn it into a anime and it flopped horrendously, and now they’re trying to make joker into a taxi driver type character. The vision was fine with the first movie because it was still respectful to the comics, but now its clear that Todd knows literally nothing about batman except the joker being batman’s main villain and the batman being an orphan.
The way arthur looked at bruce wayne after grabbing the collar of alfred, is so bleak! It's like getting angry and confused at the same time with great regret in the eyes...
I love at 1:29 when the score starts to get louder. While I admit that Bruce wasn’t really necessary in this movie I still kinda liked this moment because of the score.
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Love how emotionless he is.....he is just studying and analyzing what he sees
A true Bruce Wayne.
Elsa Padilla does it matter?
@@therealmr.incredible3179 it's nonsense lol.
Elsa Padilla stfu with that nonsense
@Elsa Padilla Its not nonsense but why are you saying they're a Virgo?
@Elsa Padilla What?
The most Bruce Wayne looking kid we’ve seen
He was a great portrayal of the privileged life Bruce had so abruptly ended. Even the kids eyes.
The most unoriginal looking comment i’ve seen
What about the one dude from Gotham?
@@NovaWarrior77 Good point.
Fateh Fini yep
Its deep because as Arthur tries to put a smile on Bruce's face; I realize how I never remember seeing batman smile ever
Batman smiles all the time. He is still human. He smiles a lot around superman I find cus they are such good friends.
@@thomanom2627 He smiles
When he isn't batman
@@marcianomorisson2542 do you mean he smiles when pretending to be Bruce Wayne or that he doesn’t smile when pretending to be Batman?
@Michael Kiely read my comment again. It was a question, had nothing to do with what I thought about the character lol.
Michael Keaton’s Batman smiled in Returns
After killing a criminal
Child or adult, Batman still had an air of awareness and maturity.
I really don't if its a lore reason But was he academically gifted?
He was scared of a creep at the gate putting his fingers in his mouth
Joker 2019 is better than The Dark Knight trilogy and MCU (maybe except Punisher/ Daredevil)
Lmao what? He just let a stranger touch his mouth and his body
@@lickenhuntsman5338 you're the joker here
I loved Joker so much. It didn't feel like some DC villain movie but instead felt like a documentary on a man going insane. Really loved it.
I agree DC universe is like made for serious adaptations.
My thoughts exactly
Because if you take the joker character away, everything would stay the same. this is just Taxi Driver but with a DC comics skin
thats actually bad for a villain..bcoz when you start feeling for the villain then he is no longer a villain for people ...he is just a man who went insane and does insane things and people feel sympathy towards him bcoz they know why he is doing it. One of the reason ledger's joker was cool bcoz you don't sympathise with him..you don't see an emotional side or past of him..you just see a god damn psycho crazy villain with brains and no fear.
@Kunal Singh I think the developers of this movie weren’t aiming towards the movie being fully dc repeated. I think there goal was to show the viewers how a mentally disordered person adapts in the world. Then for the dc part of it, There were two choices: I think they either
realized that the story they were telling was similar to a dc character so they decided to throw in a little bit of dc in there or they wanted their movie to be the most popular so instead they added in Easter eggs related to dc such as the Wayne family and the name joker.
"I'm Bruce."
"Bruce. I'm Arthur."
Still gives me chills.
What makes this movie great is it's not about saving the city or a guy with bat suit doing silly things.
This movie is about A MAN.
Author and Bruce both appear in You Were Never Really Here
Where it all began
Can relate
Batman: White Knight says his real name is Jack
Joker always wanted to make the Batman smile
Well smiles kills or make joy to other people
Im keeping this at 555
Should’ve made a Batman joke 😞
"Lets put a smile on that face!"
Well, Joker was Batman nemesis, but Joker never want Bruce dead.
This scene is so beautifully symbolic. Joker is always trying to get Batman to step over the line and enter his world. Bruce is never that far from becoming the very people he protects others from. Just a simple gate to step outside of. Fantastic scene.
@Peniley Majorey Nice. You've been waiting to say that one for a while haven't you.
@Peniley Majorey Joker is meant to be a case study on the character more or less no?
You think people aren't going to analyze a work that's meant to all be symbolic or interconnected in order to showcase why a character is what they are?
Wow, I like the connections you made! Nice comment 😊
No Bruce is not a psycho. He wouldn't abandon justice
@penileymajorey7174 based
The joker is smiling but I can see the pain in his eyes. Phoenix is an amazing actor.
And I can see the pain in your eyes !!
@@rishabhgupta1222 You too!
Off topic:
Heath ledger (rapist) originally committed suicide. Whining Batman fans had to beg higher officials to alter the reason to OD'ed.
Joaquin is genuine winner.
@@ashokkumarganesan3927 What he was?
@@ashokkumarganesan3927 why did he commit suicide?
I love the way how Arthur leaves him because he doesn't wants to do violence in front of the kid.
At least he has standards
@@nerdgeekcosplay909 Standarts? Joker? Dude Riddler or Cobblepot has standarts not that fella. Joker kills innocent people, womans, children he has no standarts just a twisted mind with full of hate and anger to all human kind. He is a lost cause
@@verdant9702 It's exactly why this movie was made, to show his origins, to explain how a kind man evolved into a crime psychopath.
@@emperoriithepenguin8608 His origins really doesn't matter to me if he killed innocent people and children. All gotham villains have a terrible past yeah but none of them are dishonorable like Joker. Your terrible past not a excuse for killing innocent people or children or women whatever.
@@verdant9702 when did I say, his tragic past is an excuse for murder ? His terrible past is an explanation for crime (excuse # explanation).
That moment when you meet your future nemesis...
Actually his best friend... like come one no one tries harder to make batman better
And just like that they will begin their rivalry with this very moment is how the Batman met his nemesis
@@rexflamevermillion5527 Bruce after meeting joker gets out baterang and suit:because I'm batman
We all will💯
Remember when Bruce becomes batman this Joker will die bc he will be too old,there will be a new Joker when Bruce actually becomes Batman and prolly that Joker will fall into the chemichals and he will also most likely be inspired by arthur fleck
Edit: lmao i forgot i even commented that 2 yrs ago this but tbh i still kinda think what I originally said but i also think this joker might also be the one who becomes batmans eternal nemeis and joker doesnt need to fall into the chemicals to become the joker and we all know heath ledgers( RIP heath ) joker in the dark knight who didnt fall in chemicals but still became batmans nemesis joker and was an amazing joker, also joker doesnt need to fall into the chemicals to be the joker, and I feel like arthur flecks joker will stay like this because he already became the joker at the end or he might fall into the chemicals which will stop him from ageing or make him age slower and i would really like if arthur flecks joker turned out to be the one that becomes batmans iconic nemesis
and also in the main universe or like its known that there are actually three jokers in the batman universe in general so it would make sense if there is more than one joker in the same time period
I still remember the audibls gasp everyone in the theatre did when the kid said "I'm Bruce". Literal chills...
0:16 All the tension was sucked out of the theater when someone shouted “TO THE BATPOLES!”
Batman is cool and all
But Joker is for mature audiences
@@lickenhuntsman5338But movies are far more mature than any other superhero movies
Must have been a low IQ area if they didn't automatically know who that was at the start of the scene.
Cool that he eventually got Bruce to laugh his heart out in the Killing Joke.
Killing Joke....great band
The Loner and arguably the greatest Joker graphic novel
@@8mmkyle865 true hush ,joker the graphic novel and the killing joke are my fav
@احمد Ndjdj r/woosh
@@joshi7075 stfu with r/woooosh
The only time that Bruce would end up being kind to Joker.
gor9027 and the killing joke ending
gor9027 he’s pretty much always been nice to him, the man refuses to kill him but I get what your saying 😂
Not LEGO Batman tho😂
Batman has always been kind to Joker, his goal has always been to rehabilitate him
But like Batman is always nice to joker tho
Batman created Joker in the comics
Joker created Batman in movies
"I made you, You made me first."
Batman created Joker in 1989 and in the Gotham TV series.
and alfred created owlman on my earth
@@thomaswaynejunior3110 wait what
@Yeetboi 21 ironic because joker didn't even want to start this mob. The mob just sided with him because they have empathy for him.
Bruce is so calm and simply observing Arthur's actions. Batman was hidden deep inside him just waiting for a right trigger. Bruce was always supposed to be the batman.
@@deansiroit3597He's saying Bruce always had the traits necessary to become Batman, but that those traits were never displayed fully until then.
I guess you can say it's Batman in labour LMAO
@shaggy2531 Well Batman's main purpose is to instill fear in criminals, his goal of betterment for Gotham was always going to be a goal for an adult Bruce Wayne, dead parents or not.
@@professionaldunce6312 I agree
yep the kid me would have ran away.. this 'kid' right here stared at a crazy crazy man and stood in front of him
Anyone else noticed that Arthur and Bruce are kinda almost wearing the same outfit?
Yeah, Arthur just has the Walmart version of Bruce’s outfit
@@ZombiesGaming100 😂
Jesus Ocotecatl just till now
Nice catch
Damn, I never noticed
Notice the similarities in the clothes they are wearing.
Bruce has the Gucci version while Arthur has Walmart
Cool
😂😂😂😂lol
Gap version
Bruh the Gucci version. Jail☠️
Walmart version actually looks better. Not to mention blowing large amounts of money on clothing is unwise.
Arthur: Hi. What's your name?
Bruce: *I'M VENGEANCE.*
underrated
Overrated
Underrated
Hi vengeance im dad
Bruce: I'm Batman.
This inverts the whole genre: it puts a comic character in our world instead of putting us into the comics’ world. Genius. My late spouse would’ve loved it; he taught me to see comics as an alternative, almost subversive, historical record, and now I think they’re-genius.
" he taught me to see comics as an alternative, almost subversive, historical record," - Can you explain this?
@@marinomolina8944 Sure! I was an actress-turned-(published!) novelist, so I saw comics as a bad marriage between a book and a movie storyboard. Then my husband showed me 1960’s-70s “underground comix” like AMERICAN SPLENDOR and FRITZ THE CAT, which covered mainstream-banned topics and counterculture. Mainstream comics’ relevance lies in reflecting their time and culture, as they’re produced fast enough to follow and create trends. They’re immediate, specific, but endure for generations: who hasn’t heard of Batman? And they’re progressive: they had three-dimensional female and multicolored heroes well before other genres. They’re also a global phenomenon. Some of the sharpest political satire on every continent came in the form of cartoons, more accessible than articles since they make their point in one frame. My husband was pretty convincing; I’m not switching genres, but I developed a new respect for the venerable art of comics…
Bruce: "Please take your Thumbs out of my Mouth".
Arthur: "Why? "
Bruce: "bEcAuSE iM bAtMaNNNNN"
Lol, I love HISHE
Arthur: I don’t give a FK 😂
Oh my gosh I wish they would make a hishe about that that would be hilarious 😂
*Horrified scream*
@@viabletoscream2677 umm.... They actually did.
Or are u just being sarcastic
Police: "Okay Bruce, on this doll, where did he touch you?"
here, here, and here, bumhole.
Well,just my face...But it was weird.
Here,here and my feet
I have just seen the episode of modern family with that line in
*points at genitals*
This is your 1/9? This is like half way through the movie
Exactly what I was thinking lol there are so many scenes before this that could have been shown
yeah, same thoughts :D like what the faq :D
Lol
where am i true I was saying the same thing
Hahaha. Yeahh. Still thinking 💭. That true
It's sad because as insane as he is, Arthur doesn't feel any ill will toward Bruce for living the life he feels should have been his. He doesn't resent him for being raised in a mansion by Thomas Wayne while he was left with an unstable mistress and swept under the rug. He genuinely wants to meet Bruce and have a relationship with him because they're family (or so he believes).
That's a really interesting point, It reminds me of Barry Allen/Flash and Malcolm Thawne/Cobalt Blue, Both were twins who were separated by a drunken lunatic idiot doctor, Barry Lived a good childhood and raised with loving parents until Thawne arrived where Malcolm had a crap childhood and was raised by Scummy vile Parents, unlike Arthur who wants a relationship with Bruce, Malcolm/Cobalt Blue is envious and jealous of Barry/Flash
The meeting of two iconic characters.
3*
Aaand... Alfred?
Joaquin Phoenix's Joker is aimed at more mature audiences than Ledger's Joker
@@lickenhuntsman5338 ok and???
@@lickenhuntsman5338 ok then explain the Batman
My analysis:
In this scene you can tell a young Bruce Wayne is still smarter than the average kid. He isn’t amused by immature jokes, he is serious and always examining his surroundings. Arthur shows in this scene his unpredictability, he attacks Alfred, he is willing to get close to the kid of the wealthiest and most powerful people in Gotham and shows little remorse for his actions. I think this movie shows how Batman and Joker are truly opposite sides of the same coin. Joker uses his tragedies for crime, Batman uses his own tragedies for justice. Excellent foreshadowing for a battle I hope we can see one day.
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No one cares wanna be movie critic
@@Jupiter526 No one cares apathetic boy
Chunky Yet Funky you cared enough to read my comment and reply to it.
The scene where arthur stops catching Alfred's neck after seeing Bruce being disturbed by it clearly shows how humane he was
*was
@@princekurtandrewstevelopez8279 before you know, that doctor
He still had humanity and wanted to prevent another him. Until he lost all humanity and only wanted to make more of him.
At least at that moment...
*was, bc this is the same guy who brutalized Jason Todd
I just love the restraint to actively not make this historic meeting more grandiose, epic, to the point of it coming across heavy-handed, I respect it so much. We already know their future so intimately, the symbiotic bond they will have, the yin to the other's yang. Here it''s simple, subtle, the faint pulse of Hildur's score gives it this quiet intensity and tension. You see their distinct mannerisms and personalities already through almost no words. Bruce's quiet, withdrawn but observant nature and being mature for his age, and Arthur's playfulness, putting on a show, a performance but also his impulsive unpredictability. It's just perfect.
3:25 when Arthur sees that he's scaring Bruce he stops and runs away...
i call joker john
No he Don't
@@demir2540 yes he does
@@bekim7878 nope, if it so that's just a stupid way to react lol.
Thats what heroes do(yeah totally not using sarcasm right here.....yes even tho this explaination of sarcasm isnt sarcastic🙄
“Do you know how I got these scars?”
“No, but I remember how your thumbs tasted.”
Lol 😁🤣 c'mon
Ew
That's the most gross thing I've read all day.
@@endz_3761 creep
Underrated*
Based on little Bruce's awkward reactions and bland facial expressions, it shows he always suffered depression and extreme curiosity even as a child.
yes beacuse of his parents everybody in school was avoiding him, it was in hush comic
dr.phill is crying in the corner
Bruce was a happy kid just not a stupid one, theres nothing funny about a strange man at the gate
I really doubt he was experiencing depression before his parents died
If Swordfish009 with his top hat and monocle says a fictional character with pretty much 0 dialogue is depressed, You KNOW he's depressed and eating himself up inside.
Although Arthur isn't exactly acting appropriate here, he's actually has good Intentions. Throughout most of the movie he has good Intentions and people always treat him so poorly. Seeing anger swelling up within him as the movie progresses is amazing to see. Brilliant performance from Joaquin Phoenix.
I feel that, been beaten badly yet I still tried tp be kind to others, it works out in the end I hope.
Intention*
Thank you. Corrected@@bearpoop720
Yep that's the real world for you not taking up for the bad things he did but can relate on to the other part might just be best to unlock scraps in your life cause you might find it's not the scraps of the world that's the problem it's you to fix yourself blessed I found away
Remembrance of Palestine😰💔
This is the reason why joker never dies when Batman stops him
Cause there brothers?
Cause he remembers
He thinks killing Joker would make him just as bad. Even though that is totally not the case. Killing bad people doesn't make you just as bad, it means you had the nads to do the world a favor.
@@grantmortensonva Yeah, I think he tries to avoid stooping to Joker's level but I also think theres a spec of guilt knowing that the very society Batman protects, created Joker to begin with. Bruce understands from a young age that he will never be able to comprehend in the slightest, the trauma that Arthur experienced as a result of the social hierarchy- His family prestige prevents it. Therefore, I think as helping people is innate to Bruce, he at times sees a broken child within Joker but is also smart enough to know that Arthur has fully succumbed himself to Joker and has gone passed the point of help. Establishing this 'frienemy' relationship between them.
Batman will always prioritise the safety of the city but if there is a choice between killing joker or not. He would most likely choose not since he painfully understands that collectively they all did Arthur wrong, which in some ways led to the joker now doing wrong. If that makes sense.
Bruce already knew Joker was man who doesnt deserve to be in prison, but needed help.
If people are really familiar with the Batman and Joker relationship, Arthur making Bruce smile means A LOT
Without any drugs or funny smelling fart gas
"I'm Bruce"
RUclips subtitle: aMbRosE
Arthur: Bruce
Subtitles: oops
Dean Ambrose
Rikkard Ambrose
DEAN
Dean Ambrose sucks
0:15 THEY HAD A BAT-POLE REFERENCE IN HERE 😂
Todd Phillips said that was his intention.
30 years later and he still can’t get Bruce to laugh
I thought joker was like 40 when Batman was Batman. Doesn't this ruin the timeline?
Damien Bravo Well in this timeline Batman would be like 30 and joker would be around 50-60
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@@Dude-en7bf That's why makeing the man behind joker become joker when Bruce is just a kid is such a interesting but also very flawed take on joker
Todd Phillips said that maybe Arthur ends up inspiring Batman's Joker because of the age difference.
Bruce: “Get your fingers out of my mouth.”
Arthur: “Hehe. Why?”
Bruce: “BECAUSE I’M BATMAN!”
Arthur: “AHHHH!”
Hishe😂
Hishe 🤣
Hishe😆
When bruce grows up snaps his neck
I'm vengeance :v
bruce looks like his parents are already dead
Toori Baba they didn’t show that much of Wayne with his family so we don’t know how close they were.
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@SeanTen 10 with that much cash,i don't see why i should put out my face like that
@Toori Baba that's the point, they never show him crying or bats flying around or any clue if he would ever dress up as a bat and fight birthday clowns wearing purple or red.
@SeanTen 10 More of like the opposite. It's more like he's a quiet unsocial kid with mental issues and his parents + Alfred are the closest things to friends he has.
This movie is so much beautiful and better than the new one
Agreed
there is no new one! Only 2019 Joker
Honestly i really liked everything up until the third act, but it was still totally unnecessary
This hands down is probably my favorite scene in the film. Both Arthur and Bruce are already showing signs of what they will become in this meeting, which makes the meeting of the soon-to-be enemies that much more chilling.
It’s even more poetic when the Batman and the Joker are born around the same time later in the film.
I really hope that little Bruce grows up to be Robert Pattinson’s Batman...really would like to see Robert and Joaquin in the screen together.
Robert Pattinson's batman is in a different earth if you didn't know , joker doesn't exist in that earth kinda like the multiverse but it's far more complicated in DC so this is actually Ben Affleck's portrayal of Bruce Wayne that's why they're giving Robert's Batman the riddler instead of joker
Roberto Gomez Oof, that’s disappointing. But I guess the Batman we’ve been getting can build up a character arc.
Well, Crisis did happened not so long ago...
It wouldn't make sense if it took place in the same universe since Alfred will be played by Andy Serkis in the Pattinson movie
YESSS!!!!!!
I like how bruce slides down the pole like classic batman did lol
very poor choice of words
@@ahmedfawad16 😂😂😂
@@ahmedfawad16 get your head out the gutter lol
I feel like I’m the only one who caught that Easter Egg lol
I understood that reference.
i like how bruce is very comfortable around joker, like he felt he was his brother
True 😢❤
Because hes a depressed insane patient too.
Only thing sepetating eachother is luxury and privilege
After all Penny was sick
@@stephencatchdudeknight4623
don’t say… that… about… my mother
World may never know the fact that Bruce parents is dead, I doubted there other way to prove that Thomas might be Joker father and Bruce brother
This movie showed how he went all crazy. Now we need a movie that shows how he becomes the psychotic criminal mastermind.
We also need to see a different version of how he and Harley Quinn meet, where he isn't as zombie like as that other Joker in Suicide squad.
what we dont need is another batman movie or tv series without batman
@@01hore?
Agreed while this was an interesting take on Joker's origins, it wasnt the criminal mastermind that is what makes Joker the Joker if you know what I mean.
I think they were implying that when he killed Murray.
Joker - 20yrs +
Bruce - 7-10
Joker - 50-60+
Batman-30+
Batman fought an old man
Arthur could have easily inspired another Joker.
@@OfficerFlatFoot this joker is actually the first joker from current earths but you should read injustice it explains more
@@StragglerGrudge that's what I'm trying to tell people that there's different earth's in DC but they just wanna go by the movies
Lol okay I get it now
It shouldn't be strange, i mean Joker in the comics doesn't look young either
*sees clip that takes place over half way through the movie*
title: “clip 1/9.
“I am confusion.”
Some men aren't looking for anything logical. Some men just want to watch the world burn.
they want to keep the scenese away that contrfilers
After seeing Joker 2, Todd Phillps made this scene a complete joke. What a disaster.
ik :(
He always said since this film that maybe Arthur wasn't going to be Bruce's Joker.
Arthur: whats your name?
Kid: I’m bruce
Audience at the theaters: WHOOOOOOOO
Mine was an earrape for 5 seconds straight
I dont even get it who is Bruce, I mean what is the connection?
@@sanaahmad8259 he's Batman.
@@saggyshaggy3272 oh yeah I get it😯
Sana Ahmad how didn’t u know he was Batman ? 😂
2:18
Notice how alfred says “its not *FUNNEH* is it?
Joker later tells murray the word “funny” in alfreds accent.
I understand but i dont think your right
Nahhh
“You decide what’s right or wrong. The same way your decide what’s FUNNEH! Or not...”
@@Bob-hc6sl ur british obviously it'll sound like it to u
@@silent_dolphin3970 nah bro he still said funny not funneh
Well I mean I'm kinda with Alfred here. It's quite creepy to touch kids you don't know like that or even to approach them with magic tricks.
Yeah lol
True. But at least we know that Arthur intentions with Bruce in this scene were not bad, but the approach was creepy
I don't think the point of this scene is that this is normal behavior or Alfred's reaction is unreasonable. When people have communication disorders/poor social skills they can offend and scare others. I think it helps that his magic tricks aren't too slick in the scene: he seems really awkward. His good intentions (cheer up a somber young boy) don't work out, he's just too weird. You see how he's gonna wind up isolated and ostracized as if he were a bad person.
I agree with you, but Alfred shouldn’t have insulted Arthur’s mother. That was too out of character
@@joaquinbarboza3223 He didnt disrespect her directly. He said she was delusional, which she probably was. Then said she was a sick woman, probably meant as mentally sick which is understandable seeing how Arthur is. While it was harsh, it most likely was factual and blunt from Alfred.
I try to see behind the hype we fans build ourselves, but it’s inevitable to get chills when such meaningful encounter is so well executed.
The tragic clown in the making, and the child that doesn’t smile or laugh, such beautiful combination…
They will spend the rest of their lives recreating this scene, I’m so glad Todd Philips and Joaquin respected these characters so much even when making up the lore…
Phoenix and Ledger are the best jokers
I don’t have a favorite joker I love them all except Leto only the little cameo in bird of prey but the one who a feel can define in how I I’m and how I see things are (Heath ledger/Joaquin Phoenix/Cameron Monaghan)
louis brown ledger is THE JOKER though.
And nicholson
louis brown so what about Mark Hamil.
My personal 2 favs are Phoenix and Ledger but Mark Hamill's joker is pretty good as well. Don't have an opinion on jack Nicholson because I've never seen the 1989 batman film
“It’s ok I’m a good guy” *rubs the the fence like a pedophile*
Seemed more childlike to me..
@@freddiemercury4evr for me it's both
Tbh when he saw that Bruce was staying serious,he did that like a last try to make him laugh.
@jaochaigob ur right
@@nonono7615 what?
When he replied his name "Bruce " whole theatre became a stadium
YES
How disappointing I didn’t see the movie in a theater :(
@@Howlingburd19 You should be ashamed of yourself
@@equivalentexchangeisalie5726 understandable. It would’ve been sick, too because this movie has a great musical score! But I guess watching it late than never is fine
@@Howlingburd19 Lol I was just kidding...mostly 😉
*Sighs in joker 2 depression*
A stranger puts his dirty hands in his mouth
Little Bruce just stands there like "ok"
Alfred gets almost chocked
Little Bruce stands there like "OK"
His parents get killed
Little Bruce stands there like "OK"
Most realistic portrayal of a kid in a movie ever.
I thought Alfred is trained
Most realistic portrayal of Batman*
I have never seen such a mean alfred in my life
You a busta straight busta!
Bruce saw the good things of everyone
Poor Joker doesn't knew he was meeting his worst enemy
And the only person he'll ever love
@@imlivinginyourbasement6157 Yep.
His best friend.
Maybe this joker was joker’s father. The joker before the joker we all know and love
And he still will never know
Perfectly captures their relationship - Joker just wants to make Bruce laugh.
With slaughter cause it’s the best medicine
@@M.A.C.01 well slaughter does have "laughter" in it
Bruce Wayne looked into the eyes of a soon to be broken man and nemesis in the future in that childhood moment. Bruce probably remembered that moment in this universe, and grew to know who the man was after he discovered more when he finally became Batman.
The Joker movie is one of my favorite of all time, and the way Joker looked at Bruce was… foreshadowing at its finest.
I could almost hear "lets put a smile on that face" when he made him smile.
I kinda want to see a movie based on young Bruce Wayne childhood and becoming Batman in this universe
so another Gotham???
He must be a robot in this universe.
I know the universes are different, but we saw this exact thing in Gotham...
There are literally like 6 versions live action and animated of what you are asking for.
@@keytrononit3 I know what he means. I didn’t like Gotham’s storyline at all. Would like to see a dark and gritty movie like this.
I find this version of young Bruce and his lack of reactions awesome, the best portrayal. He's stoic, it's in his nature. Not everyone with money and power can become Batman, no matter the trauma. Kid just had it in him, not in the bad way. After all, Batman is genius. His young self might act unusual. I find his lack of fear very fitting, I wouldn't call it psychopatic, but it's somewhat unhealthy, cool detail, love it.
David Mazouz in Gotham was better
@@grantimusprimeofficial2732 I feel like you can't really compare them. Mazouz's portrayal was good but I'd say that the actor who played Bruce in Joker is a lot more comic accurate.
If they explore Batman I'd find it interesting if they approach vigilantism as something that's more akin to how we see it in reality.. something that can cross the line, be disturbing, or wrong but also the opposite. Batman taking that sort of control irl would definitely rub many people the wrong way.
Staying calm while a stranger put his (Joker) hands into his (Bruce) mouth, just standing when Alfred is getting violence and choking and when his parents got murdered, best UNREALISTIC reactions ever lol
@@alphara_harold ikr
Now, this once great scene, means nothing…
Imagine if the whole movie didn't have any music
Scary
No
Kinda wished it didn't.
@@imgvillasrc1608 same something new for a change
....ok.
Quick little detail. Notice how Arthur and Bruce wear identical outfits. This is to show that Bruce Wayne (Batman) and Arthur are the same. Of course not like mind wise, but like the Joker quoted in the Dark Knight: “To them your just a freak, like me.” Good little detail by the directors.
Yeah they dress the same but Bruce Wayne is Rich and joker's poor. Bruce Wayne's got the Gucci designer brand wow Arthur fleck has a poor man's version
Arthur : Wanna hear a joke.
Alfred : Sure.
Arthur : Thomas wayne is my father.
Alfred : 😂
That's life Bruce, always smile...
Sander Johnson and he can’t deny he will become a puppet and joker a king he’s gonna be up but joker down
Until his parents got murdered
Ash Ketchum FK Thomas and Martha
Arthur: *puts his grimy fingers in Bruce’s mouth strangles Alfred*
Also Arthur: why is Thomas Wayne so mean to me
poker8100 lol
Basically the whole movie.
prodigyKidColdasIce no he is not Arthur was adopted by penny
@@poker8100 Yeah, he's not his brother. At least not the the actual canonical well known universe. I know there was a little hint that maybe he was in Joker, but in the broad scope of things, they are not related.
@@thebatmanfan1309 False, in a scene after Arthur killed his mother, he looks at a photo of his young mother and on the back of the photo, there is a dedication signed by Thomas Wayne, so chances are Arthur if he is his son, then Batman and the joker are half brothers
"What's your name?"
"I'm Bruce."
"You know how I got these tricks?"
"No. But I know how you'll get the scars."
"Scars?........."
"You'll see."
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@@itzelluna5223 how charming
@@itzelluna5223 What?
@@khanyacruz8032 he is speaking alien language don't mind him
@@ectscchannel2660 Ah. I see
Even if this Joker doesn’t live on to fight Batman, Bruce will surely be aware of what he is to face in the future.
I love this Bruce and Alfred. Would’ve loved to see them more. I also love the way Alfred protects Bruce
Lol, he was a wimp.
Dunno. This alfred seemed way too aggressive and scummy imo.
Joker 2019 is for adults
The dark knight trilogy are for kids
@@AlexDelgado-k8jcus the guy was touching up a kid
@user-oc7yu1uo1d agree, and wasn't Alfred in the British military or something? I felt like when Arthur grabbed him, he should have done something to defend himself.
0:16 The Batpole from the 60's TV series
I thought the same thing!
The fact that these two people are destined to fight each other in the future really emphasize the scenes dramatic irony. I like it.
about that-
This lowkey might be the most underrated scene in the film. The symbolism is going crazy in every aspect, from how Bruce and Arthur are dressed, to the gate seperating them, and Arthur giving Bruce a forced smile. Not to sound pretentious, but real Batman fans should know just how powerful and profound all of this is.
Imagine if little Bruce grabbed Joker's throat and shouted 'Where is He'
Omg
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Bruce is a child and Arthur is a grown man. Unless Bruce at a young age took martial arts or something like that
@@theinherit116 thank you for unjoking the joke
Literally like the comics "The killing joke"
Unstoppable force meets immovable object
“You know, I think you and I are destined to do this forever” ~Joker to Batman, The Dark Knight
God i love this shot so much 0:40 i dont know why. But see them both stares like that its like the first encounter between two legendary nemesis. Looks awsome.
I can definitely see Joaquin and Robert doing a movie together as Batman and Joker
And why not Christian and Joaquin ??
Christian bale is the most Batman ever
@@Dusves yeahhh bro......and I just can't imagine Christian and Joaquin in a single frame........that would be freaking awesome.....two phenomenal actors making a legendary movie !!
@@rishabhgupta1222 I know this is a little late but that’s because Christian already has an established Joker and History as Batman in his own world already whereas With Joaquin and Robert they potentially COULD Connect
Cause that Batman retired and already had an amazing Joker.
3:12 Arthur got Alfred to laugh, but he wasn't telling a joke.
He was laughing at him, not with him
The poetic irony lol.
Tell me kid: have you ever danced with the devil in the pale of moonlight
Classic
Underrated comment🙏🏽😂
Crazy how the Wayne family was such a big part of this movie and the second movie doesn't even mentionend they exist
Something so intriguing that I think a lot of people over look is the outfits they’re wearing. Now notice that Arthur and Bruce’s color scheme match (white shirt w Beige jacket and gray pants ) that’s really cool but then if you remember back to Arthur’s Fantasy about being on the Murray show notice how him and Murray are matching as well (Blue jacket blue pants white shirt ). And that scene is clearly established as a fantasy. So it makes you think 🤔...
Bruh that's deep
What about in the bathroom when Tomas socked him and said “touch my son again and I’ll kill you”.
@@WokeDEMOCRATShaveASPD that has literally no secret meaning
Notice how immediately after that Arthur is leaning over the sink, then it cuts rt to Arthur leaning over his own kitchen sink in the exact same pose🤔.
craig but it implies that the scene at the gate did happen.
This scene literally gave me goosebumps
I feel like the way he says "Hi, I'm Arthur." Is like he knows they gonna have to do a lot with each other in the future....
The sad thing about this scene, is that he was genuinely just trying to make him happy.
It just is evident from the start it's Bruce.
A kid who won't laugh at funny tricks from a clown back then just shows how serious life was taken for Bruce. He never socialised with other kids which never made him smile often. And his parents death made it even worse for him. It shows how deep and emotionless was batmans life and how he was a introvert from the beginning
Batman: Get your fingers outta of my mouth
Joker: Why
Batman:Because I’m Batman
If this was a Batman movie he would've punched him
CHARA is DETERMINED 87 yes true because bats is the bad one we can Argue this all day
Arthur:
Gets wand stuck up nose while screaming in terror
Luv HISHE
It should have been "Bruce Wayne:" and then "Batman:" (?
I can't imagine walking up, meeting some stranger with his thumbs in my son's mouth.
Lol ikr
And people then go "pOoR aRthOr" when Thomas knocked his teeth out.
This scene means nothing now after Joker 2
What second film? Theres a Joker 2? Whens it coming out? Hopefully it arrives next year :)
The 2nd joker film isn’t canon
@@demonswrath8803yeah there has never been a sequel what is he talking about
@Cousinbiddy1 I mean, just because you didn’t like it doesn’t mean it’s not canon
"In a comic, you know how you can tell who the arch-villain's going to be? He's the exact opposite of the hero."
Unbreakable?
@@funtimes7757 Yes.
Everyone is talking about how they went Crazy when Bruce was revealed. I went crazy when I saw Alfred. I was like “YEAH ALFRED!”
Bruce is emotionless
And Arthur is always smiling
Whelp after seeing Joker: Folie À Deux we all know Arthur doesn’t become the main Joker that’s supposed to be Batman’s archenemy in the future.
He’d be 50/60, makes sense if you think about instead he inspired anew joker.
Idk how anyone saw this movie and thought this guy would ever be a serious crime lord someday who would be competent enough to go toe to toe with law enforcement let alone Batman. I also don't know how anyone saw Bruce this young in this movie and thought it'd ever make sense for this Joker to fight his Batman. It was clear from the get-go it was not meant to be a Batman story or a traditional Joker story, just a new adaptation character study. Not once did I think Arthur Fleck would be anything other than a loser inspiring people and I'm glad the sequel was in line with that.
@@morbidzombii well Jack Nicholson Joker was around that age in Batman 89 and it worked well though.
@@abangemirzaihanabangzulkip9502 He never believed in his own ideals. He did was he did simply out of misery. Arthur has always been an insecure, depressed, suicidal man he’s wanted to die since the first film. He put on the clown makeup because it made him feel confident, but he the man himself was a suicidal weak man. Arthur doesn’t have the mindset to be the official joker Arthur doesn’t have the mental strength to either. Trying to turn this frail man into the joker would’ve been character assassination. While I dislike the film for the singing, the story itself is alright if you paid attention to the first movie.
@@morbidzombiithe joker is also in around his 50s in batman the animated series. Joker 2 is a horrible comic adaptation and this is a common example of what happens when you try to run away too far from the source material. They did this with borderlands and it crashed, they did this with rick and morty by trynna turn it into a anime and it flopped horrendously, and now they’re trying to make joker into a taxi driver type character. The vision was fine with the first movie because it was still respectful to the comics, but now its clear that Todd knows literally nothing about batman except the joker being batman’s main villain and the batman being an orphan.
The way arthur looked at bruce wayne after grabbing the collar of alfred, is so bleak!
It's like getting angry and confused at the same time with great regret in the eyes...
That wasn't his father
bro that was alfred
@@BenAri18 lol
Dr Savage this is why you watch the movie before you watch clips. thats alfred, not his father.
Dr Savage That’s Alfred, not Thomas Wayne.
I love at 1:29 when the score starts to get louder. While I admit that Bruce wasn’t really necessary in this movie I still kinda liked this moment because of the score.
1:18
I swear for my life i thought he was going to say "Why so serious?"
Me too!
But he’s not supposed to be the SAME joker that Heart Ledger.
I love how Thomas Wayne indirectly affects Arthur turning into the Joker and Thomas Wayne’s death affecting Bruce into becoming Batman
*"Get your hand out of my mouth!"*
"Why"
*"Because I'm batman!"*
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Marco Polo 85 I don’t remember asking
Ahmed Walid I don’t care
Marco Polo 85 neither do I
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