The world is full of monsters, and the only way to survive in a world full of monsters is to become a Devil. Deep down, we all have a little Joker inside of us clawing and scratching to get out.
It's not a genuine laugh, he's actually angry because Randall made fun of the only guy who was nice to him. When Randall and Gary came to his place, Randall once again made fun of Gary and Arthur killed him.
I don't believe that's what's happening here. That laugh indeed isn't sincere however i don't think its because Arthur is angry for his friend, that is him emulating standard humor. It has already been established at this point that Arthur is socially awkward, hence he puts out a laugh devoid of actual enjoyment because he believes that's what he should do in that circumstance. Similar to the stand up show he attends (to watch not perform), laughing at all the wrong beats.
@jcorb But it's true. Some people see it as a weakness, something to take advantage of in many ways. "Hey, could you do *X* for me?" "Ehh, sorry... my hands are full right now." "Come on, I thought you were a nice guy." "Hey, what's up my little dumbass?" "Could you please not call me a dumbass?" "Whoa, if you're gonna take it like that dude, then that's your problem!"
Murray: Son, the audience loves your cynical and dark style of humor! I'd like to invite you to join my show as a recurring guest! Arthur: Thanks Murray! 🤡 😁 *That's Life plays *Rolls credits*
@@battlesyt9480 Later on it was revealed that he gave him the gun so he could rat him out to the boss.He told the boss that "Arthur was trying to buy a .45 off of him" which helped him to get fired. He wasn't his "boy", he was manipulating him to get him fired.
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That rage from the end, that shows what was he keeping inside, as he was always trying to keep it for himself. How hard he was hitting, always makes me feel so sorry for him. He was struggling to resist, to endure till he couldn't any more.
@mr system Yeah I know right, sometimes I get so angry when people mess with me, and if u dare say anything bad to them they like to play the victim card.
Man this resonates, the ops manager at work is convinced I was being a dickhead on one of the machine's, I broke it trying to mount a curb, the front two wheels dislodges so I get my senior and tell him immediately, they took it into the shop and the spindles weren't bent, immediately assumed I did it, immediately assumed I was some how being reckless on a fucking ride on lawn mower and assumed I was lying about how it broke.
This scene is so heartbreaking. Just the way he talks , so soft, you can tell that he's scared to death to make anyone else mad. That's a definite sign of years of abuse.
The line “the other guys, they don’t feel comfortable around you Arthur. Cause people think you’re weird.” Made me tear up in the theater watching his reaction. Social anxiety is a bit€h. I know exactly how that feels and it’s upsetting knowing how many other people go through it :( this film was amazing
3:12 "Listen, I'm trying to help you, k? I'll tell you something else. The other guys, they don't feel comfortable around you Arthur cause people think your weird, ok? And I can't have that around here." That hit me way harder then it should have.
Me too dude. Have had social anxiety since a kid and even when I would be very friendly, polite, and mind my own business I used to get comments like that all the time from people I knew.
@@AndrewDoom Every single Aspie's worst nightmare. Trying to fit in and be nice like everyone else only to get mislabeled as an asshole simply because that's how the other party perceived it, when really their psychology is just different, like Arthur's case. It's FAR worse than getting friendzoned by your crush for sure.
@Ryan H Soft gay crying lil pussy. This is a drama movie not a movie about Batman VS Joker. The character is completely different. Get over it. As far as I know, only Ledger had played a gay character in Brokeback Mountain. And every Joker is different, even the Jack Nicholson one, the best action Joker, if we want to compare. And Oscars are not relevant anymore, other festivals awards, like the Golden Lion, do.
Arthur isn’t genuinely laughing at the joke though. You the viewer can never really tell what type of laughter it is cause Arthur laughs when he or someone he cares about is in pain or being mocked
"I'm not supposed to have a gun" he warned him and then got killed because he ignored what Arthur said. Those guys on the train ignored arthur trying to say he has a condition. This all could've been prevented
@@nayeliperez9258 It is, the only way to subdue the fear is to break under the illusion of control, or enter madness yourself. Know this: fear is the key. Do you not see that in order to establish control, fear is a strict requirement; an enigmatic deterrent. Embrace Chaos.
That’s one of the biggest themes in the movie. There’s so many points where someone, anyone could’ve stepped in and at least alerted authorities or offered help. All the way back to when he was first adopted and abused. It all could’ve been stopped multiple times
you can see the hypocrisy in his boss when he says "why would they jump you for a sign" and when arthur says than why would he keep the sign his boss responds "why does anyone do anything" showing that he is just looking for an excuse to not cover arthur and use his paycheck to pay for his loss he doesn't care about arthur only about the money
How little you know of that.)) How about payment for work you have been promised to get and after you have been told you will not. And not just because them don't have any money to pay you but because they don't want to. Welcome to adult life. ;)
Randall brought his fate on himself screwing Arthur over and lying to the boss. Should have just left him alone or defended him the same way Arthur lied with the “it’s a prop” excuse.
I may even felt Randall lied about Arthur's sign being stolen and kept it himself. Then taking the opportunity to shortsell him a gun for quick bucks. That's why Randall deserved it in the end.
Actually, Randal set him up and also only went to see him after the investigators sent him. Never spoke to Gary, Randall volunteered information. Randall was a back stabbed AND a snitch.
I believe Randall never gave him the gun same way he imagined knowing the girl in the Apartment I think Arthur came up with a scenario in his head of how he thinks talking to Randall went.But in reality I think he did ask Randall for a gun and Randall says no and somewhere along the movie he finds a gun on his own but it's not shown to us . idk man the more I watch this movie I think less and less of it actually happened and more of it took place inside his head
Gets jumped for a sign. “Nobody would do that”. Assumes Arthur kept the sign. “Why would I keep the sign?” “Why does anybody do anything?!” Great Logic fam
Something I didn’t notice before was Hoyt’s hypocrisy here: “I got jumped” “Over a sign? Bullshit.” “Why would I keep his sign?” “I don’t know why does anyone do anything” Really drives home that Arthur had next to no real allies.
People in authority tend to contradict themselves Ive heard cops do it like twice in one sentence. Maybe when you never have to explain your logic it just "becomes" reality
The fact that he says “why does anybody do anything?” Right after calling Arthur’s story about him getting jumped bullshit really pisses me off. Like why is the story of him getting jumped in a city that’s full of crime bullshit but he believes that Arthur would keep the sign????
Yeah that wasn’t fair of the boss really shows that he doesn’t respect Arthur and only keeps him out of some obligation in his own way the boss sees that as being fair
Arthur should've snapped back right there, either the boss respects him more, or he's fired, either option is better than the status quo. You don't even have to be aggressive, just ask "what do you think it's more likely, that I stole the sign, or that these guys jumped me?". People like that are usually cowards when it comes to explicitly stating what they're implying.
@@thatguybob6088 if you listened with headphone Hoyt did say "The other guys, they don't feel comfortable around you, Arthur. Because people think you're weird. Okay? And I can't have that around here. Now I want you to ..."
If anyone was wondering what his boss said here's what it was: "If you don't return the sign, I gotta take it outta your paycheck. Are we clear? Listen, I'm trying to help you, k? Now I'll tell you something else. The other guys, they don't feel comfortable around you, Arthur, cause people think you're weird, ok? And I can't have that around you. I have *Inaudible speech* to work out. Are we clear?" After that, the scene where Arthur imagined kicking his boss follows.
It breaks my heart watching this scene because when Randall makes fun of Gary for his size, Arthur has a laughing fit and then immediately goes stone-faced, showing that he is the only one who cares about Gary and vice versa. (As seen later on)
I can relate to Arthur. So many people are out for themselves and are selfish beyond belief, they don't care about the consequences of their actions until some of us decide to bite them back, then we get the blame. Egotistical oxygen wasters deserve everything they get.
This is identical to the breadth of a comment I made elsewhere in this video thread. I believe we understand the character, and others like him. If you bite back, make them feel it and think twice about doing it again.
That’s complete bullshit. “Didn’t take any themes from previous jokers” even though the entire story ends with Bruce Wayne’s parents dying due to something that the joker had connection to. The movie is about the joker, and almost every form. To say it isn’t connected to ledgers joker is absolutely retarded. I think the reason why ledger is less insane than Phoenix and more calculated and strategic is because in that movie he aged a lot more than this movie. This takes it to a different level, and means that he has matured, and is making attempts to rid the world of what made him who he is, which is the goal of ledgers joker.
Cowboy Dan and wtf does the second paragraph have anything to do here? We’re talking about the score. Go look up her interviews, don’t come up all feisty in here talking bs.
This movie is written so well, that you literally forget at times that it is about The Joker, a comic book villain. This movie just resonates as an excellent work of fictional writing about a believable character named Arthur. Also look at the smile at 3:18, you can see that Arthur is nearing his breaking point, he is already starting to lose it.
maybe because it's not really about the comic book villain, The Joker, but an alternative story assigned to a villain as a backstory to try to give a harrowing lesson.
@@captainbmo6629 If you read some of the better comics/graphic novels, you will see this is in the same vein as them. It's just a better written version that rings more true to human psychology and life.
3:16 _"The other guys, they don't feel comfortable around you, because people think you're weird."_ No other sentence describes my school days so well.
2:45 The writing in this scene is so spot on from "I got jumped" "That's bullshit that doesn't even make sense" to "why would I keep his sign" "how the fuck do I know why does anybody do anything" is so damn clever, it shows the complete lack of compassion and how people's views are so self interested yet you can't really blame the guy he's just trying to make a living
I think when Joker laughs at Randall’s joke and then immediately stops later is a sign of a mental problem, it makes sense since Joker has had years of abuse. I also think joker was mad towards the end because even though he got jumped, his boss still cares about the sign and doesn’t care about Arthur, this furthermore makes Arthur feel alone in the world and thinks no one cares about him, this along with the other stuff slowly makes him loose his mind as the movie progresses. During the Murray scene, there is a few hard hitting lines said by Arthur, I think the one that most fits this current scene is “No one knows how it feels to be the other guy”. His boss doesn’t know how Joker is feeling, the years of abuse and sadness he faces because of his current life situation and the fact he’s working class, and now his boss being angry with him over a sign, Joker was jumped, it wasn’t his fault, but his boss doesn’t care. The last few scenes of this movie shows Joker on the police car while a crowd of joker masked people masses around him. I think this symbolises that Joker is superior, that he is a king to the people around him because he United them. All the working class people who have hard life’s because of the rich and everyone that is looked down upon in society, like Joker. Joker was the symbol of unity for these people.
"It was just a bunch of kids, I should've left it alone." "No, they'll take everything from you if you do that." Yeah and besides, them being kids is still no excuse for what they did to Arthur.
CYSYS8993 they were not kids! Even if they were, it is a bad sign, because children who enjoy beating people up ( in this case without any reason ) later they become criminal adults.
throughout this whole film not a single person actually listens to him, not his mother about what his laugh really meant, not his doctor about how he was doing, not his boss about his work conditions, randall about him not being allowed a gun, and not the people on the train about his disorder. at the root of it all, all he wanted was to be listened to. the only people in his whole life who ever listened to him were the protestors. its no wonder he ended up the way he did. he didn't necessarily need a hug, he needed to be listened to.
Sometimes you smile in disbelief, when you're angry and stressed about how is life treating you. He explained his boss what happened and yet his boss is blaming him. That is most likely what he was thinking at that time.
The boss says it doesn’t make sense when he hears that the thieves would take Arthur’s sign but when Arthur says that it doesn’t make sense for him to keep it, the boss says he doesn’t know why anyone would do anything. That directly goes against his first statement and shows that he automatically assumes Arthur stole it. That is when that grin starts forming on his face.
I can relate to this Joker so much. I’m a bit different than other people around my age (21). I don’t have any illnesses, but I don’t follow trends, I don’t drink, i don’t really like to go out, and I don’t have social media. People treat me like crap just because I don’t have/do those things.
if you're purposely straying from the mainstream to be counter to it you're just a slave to it like anyone else. People treat you like crap because you isolate yourself and let nobody near you. You'll understand this one day.
@@Bieks1 What if a person wishes to be left alone? Relationships are a choice, and not an obligation - correct? This is not a good excuse to mistreat somebody else.
If I wish I was around people if they bringing out iPhone to the kids around my younger age they would've told the kids about social media like I had an iPad and now to a iPhone to be reincarnated ever on Twitter like Vivziepop. 😒😔😞
Phoenix is super dedicated to his roles. I love that. In Gladiator to get that mean look he would go into a closet in the dark and hit himself repeatedly until he got angry, then he would go on set
I still cannot believe he really lost that much weight and looks like that for this Joker role. The dedication is just beyond recognition, mad respect. To this day the body still creeps me out
god DAMN this movie is hard to watch. Especially when he went into his neighbors apartment. As soon as she says "You're name is Arthur, right?" My heart sunk, I was like "oh nooooo". By far my favorite movie ever
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The way he says "Why would I keep his sign?" makes my heart break.
Wait, someone was worried about a crappy ramshackle sign they wouldn't even need after they close? He couldn't even give that away.
Sarah N. Yes Joaquin Phoenix has amazing acting
The world is full of monsters, and the only way to survive in a world full of monsters is to become a Devil. Deep down, we all have a little Joker inside of us clawing and scratching to get out.
@@redraven5874
...Only just before you meet a real Satan.))
@@redraven5874 Edgy ass
Scariest part is not how his laugh sounds but how he suddenly stops.
It's not a genuine laugh, he's actually angry because Randall made fun of the only guy who was nice to him. When Randall and Gary came to his place, Randall once again made fun of Gary and Arthur killed him.
@@McBreadbro that was my point. Its insincere. It's for appearances. The anger he felt? Is evident in that laugh.
Scariest part is always when the laughter stops.... Coronavirus (COVID-19) pandemic. whos laffin now?
@@degsbabe pba
I don't believe that's what's happening here. That laugh indeed isn't sincere however i don't think its because Arthur is angry for his friend, that is him emulating standard humor. It has already been established at this point that Arthur is socially awkward, hence he puts out a laugh devoid of actual enjoyment because he believes that's what he should do in that circumstance. Similar to the stand up show he attends (to watch not perform), laughing at all the wrong beats.
Arthur is literally so innocent and sweet in the beginning I just wish everyone was nice to him.
I think that's the problem if people take you as sweet and nice they think it's easy to walk all over you.
I mean it is Gotham
@jcorb But it's true. Some people see it as a weakness, something to take advantage of in many ways.
"Hey, could you do *X* for me?"
"Ehh, sorry... my hands are full right now."
"Come on, I thought you were a nice guy."
"Hey, what's up my little dumbass?"
"Could you please not call me a dumbass?"
"Whoa, if you're gonna take it like that dude, then that's your problem!"
@@minihalkoja590 this happened to me once☹
@@minihalkoja590 Most of the people, not some people - a correction please…
Boss: "Its ok its just a sign"
*Rolls credit*
"Thomas: Arthur? That's you? Oh my goodness, son, how is your mother doing?"
*Rolls credit
Murray: Son, the audience loves your cynical and dark style of humor! I'd like to invite you to join my show as a recurring guest!
Arthur: Thanks Murray! 🤡 😁
*That's Life plays *Rolls credits*
Penny Fleck never adopted Arthur
*Rolls Credit*
Directed by Robert B Weide
*start Athur plays around with the sign. Thomas walks passed, no connection at all yet. Athur shoots him.
Roll credits....~
Joaquin dislocated his knee stomping on the trash, thats why he instantly fell to the floor holding his knee together.
@@JoseSanchez-zo5tb wtf lol
@@SuperiorBat-te3ff Haha
@@JoseSanchez-zo5tb You need therapy
@Lux Tenebris Haha, you're welcome!
Doesn't surprise me that a leftist dislocates his knee doing anything physical 😂
"Maybe you can pay back me some other time". He will!!
I still don't know why he killed him though? The story of Arthur was to kill everyone who offended him
@@battlesyt9480 The dude didn't give him a gun out of good intention, he wanted him gone
payback was a bitch.
@@battlesyt9480 Later on it was revealed that he gave him the gun so he could rat him out to the boss.He told the boss that "Arthur was trying to buy a .45 off of him" which helped him to get fired. He wasn't his "boy", he was manipulating him to get him fired.
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That rage from the end, that shows what was he keeping inside, as he was always trying to keep it for himself. How hard he was hitting, always makes me feel so sorry for him. He was struggling to resist, to endure till he couldn't any more.
All the way until he was backstage smoking on Murray show as they played his clip. He had enough..or rather JOKER had enough
@@skylerloggins4902 do you have someone to talk to about it? You're not alone.
@@freddiemercury4evr I mean not angry enough to harm anyone but I do have one friend but he doesn't understand.
@@skylerloggins4902 can you talk to someone in your family? Or a counselor?
@mr system Yeah I know right, sometimes I get so angry when people mess with me, and if u dare say anything bad to them they like to play the victim card.
Hoyt won't believe someone stole the sign, because why would someone do that, but he's more than willing to assume that Arthurt kept it for himself.
Man this resonates, the ops manager at work is convinced I was being a dickhead on one of the machine's, I broke it trying to mount a curb, the front two wheels dislodges so I get my senior and tell him immediately, they took it into the shop and the spindles weren't bent, immediately assumed I did it, immediately assumed I was some how being reckless on a fucking ride on lawn mower and assumed I was lying about how it broke.
@E M M I E W. :( Sorry for you
I think he just wanted to steal Arthur's money
Thats cause no one stole the sign. Joker really stole the sign from a kid and those other kids jumped him for it.
@@johnfkennedy8281 What are you talking about?
This scene is so heartbreaking. Just the way he talks , so soft, you can tell that he's scared to death to make anyone else mad. That's a definite sign of years of abuse.
I know that feeling
I do the same thing.
Thank god it’s only a movie
😞😞😞😞😞😞
It's a good scene.
The gun has more screen time than Jared Leto
it also has better writing and a better character arc
@Ryan H I agree, Heath will always be the best joker
Jared Leto was a Trash. He should never even had a screen time.
Unoriginal
"damaged" leto.
3:05-3:30 that slowly forming grin sent chills down my spine. What a stellar way to portray brewing insanity.
Sad and frightening at the same time..
kubasliwa204 very well said. This is one of my favorite scenes, among many!
The saddest part is Arthur always puts on a grin or laughs uncontrollably when he's incredibly _upset,_ so it's even more unnerving.
It’s so creepy the way he smiles
The line “the other guys, they don’t feel comfortable around you Arthur. Cause people think you’re weird.” Made me tear up in the theater watching his reaction. Social anxiety is a bit€h. I know exactly how that feels and it’s upsetting knowing how many other people go through it :( this film was amazing
I think all he needed was just one person to give him a hug
I think Murray did at some scene .
@@Medgator that was his imagination
I heard jackets give wonderful hugs.
And That is Batman's job.He is the only one person that can do that in the future
Batman
"You're awful, Randall.
Me? I'm awful? How am I awful?
Giving me the gun. Acting all nice to me. You just wanted to get me in trouble."
“You don’t know the first thing about me, pal. Look at what happened because of who *you* shot”
@@insidiouspancake5590 *tearful giggle* I know. How about we meet in my apartment, Ran-day?
Ok but I think we’ve had enough of your gun
@@insidiouspancake5590 What do you get when you cross a mentally-ill loner WITH A SOCIETY THAT ABANDONS HIM AND TREATS HIM LIKE TRASH!?
Chris G YOU GET WHAT YOU FUCKING DESERVE!
3:12
"Listen, I'm trying to help you, k? I'll tell you something else. The other guys, they don't feel comfortable around you Arthur cause people think your weird, ok? And I can't have that around here."
That hit me way harder then it should have.
Me too dude. Have had social anxiety since a kid and even when I would be very friendly, polite, and mind my own business I used to get comments like that all the time from people I knew.
My high school principal said that to me. Replace “the other guys” with “the other girls”, I went to an all girls Catholic high school.
@@AndrewDoom Every single Aspie's worst nightmare. Trying to fit in and be nice like everyone else only to get mislabeled as an asshole simply because that's how the other party perceived it, when really their psychology is just different, like Arthur's case. It's FAR worse than getting friendzoned by your crush for sure.
@@Mangost8en Arthur reminds me of the autistic people I work with. Very astute observation.
That feels so relatable in so many levels. People calling you "weird" or treating you like shit it's painful.
1:58 that's an 18+ rated joker laugh right there
Funny seeing you here
2nd comment
@Ryan H lol. Yes he is. In his type of Joker, he is definitely 100% better than Heath.
@Ryan H Different Jokers for different movies.
@Ryan H Soft gay crying lil pussy. This is a drama movie not a movie about Batman VS Joker. The character is completely different. Get over it. As far as I know, only Ledger had played a gay character in Brokeback Mountain. And every Joker is different, even the Jack Nicholson one, the best action Joker, if we want to compare. And Oscars are not relevant anymore, other festivals awards, like the Golden Lion, do.
I don’t know about y’all but that miniature golf joke was funny.
The Screenslaver Hahahah
a little.
Fox Molnar
I get it
Arthur isn’t genuinely laughing at the joke though. You the viewer can never really tell what type of laughter it is cause Arthur laughs when he or someone he cares about is in pain or being mocked
@signoguns I'm a midget and it's hilarious!
1:32 The payback isn't exactly what he's expecting
Gives him an eye and throat treatment later on...while turning his skull a little more symmetrical by massaging his head with the wall
@@csajegyember6179 O O F !
He got what he fucking deserve
Do you people call it Fat Tuesday or is it just Tuesday to you?
Ouch
Lmao
OOOOOOHHHHH!!!
Do you people call it black friday or is it just Friday to you?
@@Wat3rCoCk Good one!
"I'm not supposed to have a gun" he warned him and then got killed because he ignored what Arthur said. Those guys on the train ignored arthur trying to say he has a condition. This all could've been prevented
Ignorance costs
People don't know what can trigger other's... it's scary out here.
@Pete Lucchini If we did that how could we feel superior about ourselves by giving them a dollar or our doggie bags on the way home from a dinner out?
@@nayeliperez9258 It is, the only way to subdue the fear is to break under the illusion of control, or enter madness yourself. Know this: fear is the key. Do you not see that in order to establish control, fear is a strict requirement; an enigmatic deterrent. Embrace Chaos.
That’s one of the biggest themes in the movie. There’s so many points where someone, anyone could’ve stepped in and at least alerted authorities or offered help. All the way back to when he was first adopted and abused. It all could’ve been stopped multiple times
you can see the hypocrisy in his boss when he says "why would they jump you for a sign" and when arthur says than why would he keep the sign his boss responds "why does anyone do anything" showing that he is just looking for an excuse to not cover arthur and use his paycheck to pay for his loss he doesn't care about arthur only about the money
Typical asshole boss
Then he tells him everyone in that place is uncomfortable around him cause he's weird what an asshole
Arthur fleck tries to fit in the world. This scene he still try
Heart-breaking..
Now the joker will try the world to fit in according to his actions
Fitting in the world. Biggest joke of all.
I know how he feels
3:17 when the teacher gives homework after saying they wouldn't
How little you know of that.))
How about payment for work you have been promised to get and after you have been told you will not. And not just because them don't have any money to pay you but because they don't want to.
Welcome to adult life. ;)
@@AliShuktu That's terrible lol
@@AliShuktu I bet you're just a kid acting all grown up on the internet, that doesn't happen dude.
@@kryndr6043
What makes you feel like that?
And what is your bet?
When my teacher gave us homework over the break and laughed.
Randall brought his fate on himself screwing Arthur over and lying to the boss. Should have just left him alone or defended him the same way Arthur lied with the “it’s a prop” excuse.
I may even felt Randall lied about Arthur's sign being stolen and kept it himself. Then taking the opportunity to shortsell him a gun for quick bucks. That's why Randall deserved it in the end.
Actually, Randal set him up and also only went to see him after the investigators sent him. Never spoke to Gary, Randall volunteered information.
Randall was a back stabbed AND a snitch.
@@terragaia7092 you don't deserve death for getting someone fired.
Jay Edward You’re right, but at the same time there’s consequences to everything.
I believe Randall never gave him the gun same way he imagined knowing the girl in the Apartment I think Arthur came up with a scenario in his head of how he thinks talking to Randall went.But in reality I think he did ask Randall for a gun and Randall says no and somewhere along the movie he finds a gun on his own but it's not shown to us . idk man the more I watch this movie I think less and less of it actually happened and more of it took place inside his head
Gets jumped for a sign. “Nobody would do that”. Assumes Arthur kept the sign. “Why would I keep the sign?” “Why does anybody do anything?!” Great Logic fam
He's next.
🤣👍
Very common logic too
He Is the worst boss ever
Maybe because he thinks Arthur is a creep as well?
Something I didn’t notice before was Hoyt’s hypocrisy here:
“I got jumped”
“Over a sign? Bullshit.”
“Why would I keep his sign?”
“I don’t know why does anyone do anything”
Really drives home that Arthur had next to no real allies.
People in authority tend to contradict themselves Ive heard cops do it like twice in one sentence. Maybe when you never have to explain your logic it just "becomes" reality
The fact that he says “why does anybody do anything?” Right after calling Arthur’s story about him getting jumped bullshit really pisses me off. Like why is the story of him getting jumped in a city that’s full of crime bullshit but he believes that Arthur would keep the sign????
Yeah that wasn’t fair of the boss really shows that he doesn’t respect Arthur and only keeps him out of some obligation in his own way the boss sees that as being fair
Arthur should've snapped back right there, either the boss respects him more, or he's fired, either option is better than the status quo. You don't even have to be aggressive, just ask "what do you think it's more likely, that I stole the sign, or that these guys jumped me?". People like that are usually cowards when it comes to explicitly stating what they're implying.
@@andytsung9442 Right, it's like "I keep you here even though you're a freak and nobody likes you, so how dare you cause me more trouble"
@@thatguybob6088 yeah just like that!
@@thatguybob6088 if you listened with headphone Hoyt did say "The other guys, they don't feel comfortable around you, Arthur. Because people think you're weird. Okay? And I can't have that around here. Now I want you to ..."
Phoenix deserved the oscar just for that laugh at 1:50
He did
1:58
He won a golden globe and the Oscar .
@@abramsullivan7764 He deserved it
That was the iconic joker laugh lol
0:00 you can see all the pain, anger, and power in him contrasting his starved and weak body
Don't cut yourself with that edginess 😂
@@nivian8329 lol
@Aadi, indeed. Phoenix outdid himself in this role
dope smokin pope
jesus christ shut up lmaoo. the entire movie is “edgy” and people are just being observant.
@@nivian8329 ayy nice one
Joaquin’s physical acting is sooooo good. Every role, he looks and moves perfectly
Became the king of the movie 👑
“Don’t sit. . This will be quick.” Continues to destroy the dude for the next 5 minutes
If anyone was wondering what his boss said here's what it was:
"If you don't return the sign, I gotta take it outta your paycheck. Are we clear? Listen, I'm trying to help you, k? Now I'll tell you something else. The other guys, they don't feel comfortable around you, Arthur, cause people think you're weird, ok? And I can't have that around you. I have *Inaudible speech* to work out. Are we clear?"
After that, the scene where Arthur imagined kicking his boss follows.
In the script it's legs..But the boss would be a good guess..
Thank you I never heard the whole things while watching because I was lost in Arthur’s priceless stare
@@nadiabarati6899 same!
Thanks man.
Man you really got to feel bad for Arthur.
3:35 when you forget to save your game
Kyle J me when i want load a save file but accidentally overwrite it, destroying whatever progress i have made
AAAAAAAAAA
3:18
or forgot to save anything, really
HAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA FUCKING HILARIOUS MAN😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
His smile is actually an upside down frown
That's just weird to think about
true, just like you can smile even though your mouth technically makes a frown, you can frown even if your mouth makes a smile
It came and went like a sudden storm 🤡🤡
Bruh I need to watch this movie again
Ikr same, it’s been almost two years since I’ve first seen this masterpiece
I think it’s still on HBO Max
Same.
@@dexskywalker7209 ye bra know what I’m saying Bru da 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
@@TheFatScot u sound like a little white wanna be gangster "bruh" talk like a regular person not some guy you saw on tiktok
The way he says "why would I keep the sign" is honestly heatbreaking.
It breaks my heart watching this scene because when Randall makes fun of Gary for his size, Arthur has a laughing fit and then immediately goes stone-faced, showing that he is the only one who cares about Gary and vice versa. (As seen later on)
1:58 The Laugh itself deserved an Oscar
Crazy how mean people can be to someone. Goes to show you never know what another person is going through
Joker went from “We’re not supposed to have a gun” to killing someone on live tv. He had nothing to lose by that point
If your boss starts off the convo with "I like you" that means your about to get bitched at in the coldest way possible.
Phoenix's acting is top notch in this, my god
That slow forming "smile" gives me chills..
Superb acting by Joaquin ❤️
The last scene is absolutely stunning ❤❤❤
If his boss claims he likes him, he's got a funny way of showing it.
I can relate to Arthur. So many people are out for themselves and are selfish beyond belief, they don't care about the consequences of their actions until some of us decide to bite them back, then we get the blame. Egotistical oxygen wasters deserve everything they get.
This is identical to the breadth of a comment I made elsewhere in this video thread. I believe we understand the character, and others like him. If you bite back, make them feel it and think twice about doing it again.
I relate to this so much. Man I hope we can both get good therapy. I don’t want to go to prison.
Them is us and you are them for another, where are we now?
Lol you get what you fkn deserve
@@Kay-cp8tg Lol
The laughter he throws when he exits the locker room and suddenly stops is one of my favourite parts in this movie
The way he just stops laughing all of a sudden is unnerving
Joaquin Phoenix deserved an Oscar for that laugh alone @ 1:58
3:16 why does this feel like a heath ledger easter egg (listen to the music)
yeah that sounds so much like heath ledger's joker's theme
Fucking scary, I know that
StrongAdel nah not really, hildur said she didn’t take any inspiration from past joker themes, so it’s not.
That’s complete bullshit. “Didn’t take any themes from previous jokers” even though the entire story ends with Bruce Wayne’s parents dying due to something that the joker had connection to. The movie is about the joker, and almost every form. To say it isn’t connected to ledgers joker is absolutely retarded.
I think the reason why ledger is less insane than Phoenix and more calculated and strategic is because in that movie he aged a lot more than this movie. This takes it to a different level, and means that he has matured, and is making attempts to rid the world of what made him who he is, which is the goal of ledgers joker.
Cowboy Dan and wtf does the second paragraph have anything to do here? We’re talking about the score. Go look up her interviews, don’t come up all feisty in here talking bs.
This movie is written so well, that you literally forget at times that it is about The Joker, a comic book villain. This movie just resonates as an excellent work of fictional writing about a believable character named Arthur.
Also look at the smile at 3:18, you can see that Arthur is nearing his breaking point, he is already starting to lose it.
I don't think Joker is a well written film at all.
maybe because it's not really about the comic book villain, The Joker, but an alternative story assigned to a villain as a backstory to try to give a harrowing lesson.
@@captainbmo6629 If you read some of the better comics/graphic novels, you will see this is in the same vein as them. It's just a better written version that rings more true to human psychology and life.
''Why would people jump you for a sign?''
''I don't know boss. Why does anyone do anything?''
Now this is a masterclass of acting
3:16
_"The other guys, they don't feel comfortable around you, because people think you're weird."_
No other sentence describes my school days so well.
Lol
Feel ya man
3:10-3:30 my reaction when my mom tell me that she sold my console for a new phone
So you kicked her to death in the garbage? 😂
Im dying 😭😭
2:45 The writing in this scene is so spot on from "I got jumped" "That's bullshit that doesn't even make sense" to "why would I keep his sign" "how the fuck do I know why does anybody do anything" is so damn clever, it shows the complete lack of compassion and how people's views are so self interested yet you can't really blame the guy he's just trying to make a living
I think when Joker laughs at Randall’s joke and then immediately stops later is a sign of a mental problem, it makes sense since Joker has had years of abuse. I also think joker was mad towards the end because even though he got jumped, his boss still cares about the sign and doesn’t care about Arthur, this furthermore makes Arthur feel alone in the world and thinks no one cares about him, this along with the other stuff slowly makes him loose his mind as the movie progresses. During the Murray scene, there is a few hard hitting lines said by Arthur, I think the one that most fits this current scene is “No one knows how it feels to be the other guy”. His boss doesn’t know how Joker is feeling, the years of abuse and sadness he faces because of his current life situation and the fact he’s working class, and now his boss being angry with him over a sign, Joker was jumped, it wasn’t his fault, but his boss doesn’t care. The last few scenes of this movie shows Joker on the police car while a crowd of joker masked people masses around him. I think this symbolises that Joker is superior, that he is a king to the people around him because he United them. All the working class people who have hard life’s because of the rich and everyone that is looked down upon in society, like Joker. Joker was the symbol of unity for these people.
So he believes that Arthur would keep the sign but he doesn’t believe that a gang of teenagers would jump a clown and steal and destroy the sign? Wow.
This film and THE BATMAN are just what DC needed. Less ridiculous comedy, more gritty and disturbing scenes.
Sure, that is right.
You can tell he's daydreaming again when his face turns into that same smile he had when picturing himself on the tv show.
3:02 the most extremely intense and underrated moment of the movie
"It was just a bunch of kids, I should've left it alone."
"No, they'll take everything from you if you do that."
Yeah and besides, them being kids is still no excuse for what they did to Arthur.
CYSYS8993 they were not kids! Even if they were, it is a bad sign, because children who enjoy beating people up ( in this case without any reason ) later they become criminal adults.
@@nadiabarati6899 Well they weren't adults either. Teenagers are technically still kids, just really old kids.
@@CYSYS8993 in some countries, teens at 16-17 are considered young adults (:
Plus they weren’t even kids lol, they were like 17-18
They are delinquents. Young criminals and thieves, and the like.
throughout this whole film not a single person actually listens to him, not his mother about what his laugh really meant, not his doctor about how he was doing, not his boss about his work conditions, randall about him not being allowed a gun, and not the people on the train about his disorder. at the root of it all, all he wanted was to be listened to. the only people in his whole life who ever listened to him were the protestors. its no wonder he ended up the way he did.
he didn't necessarily need a hug, he needed to be listened to.
Poor Arthur..😢💔
JOAQUIN PHOENIX ... The GENIUS🔥👏👏
People treated me the same way my whole life
It's his role that makes him unforgettable 👑
I don't know what Joaquin was thinking as he cracked that smile, but the man can absolutely act.
Sometimes you smile in disbelief, when you're angry and stressed about how is life treating you. He explained his boss what happened and yet his boss is blaming him. That is most likely what he was thinking at that time.
"Everybody plays the fool" song in the background is a nice, subtle undertone.
The boss says it doesn’t make sense when he hears that the thieves would take Arthur’s sign but when Arthur says that it doesn’t make sense for him to keep it, the boss says he doesn’t know why anyone would do anything. That directly goes against his first statement and shows that he automatically assumes Arthur stole it. That is when that grin starts forming on his face.
I wonder why he didn’t kill his former boss during the movie.
Imagine hearing that laugh down the hallway while ur in ur office
For the people that says “Joker is a movie that encourages violence”, what builds up to make Arthur do that violence.
they don't care what got ya there. just that you're there.
@@Raooka THAT and KIDS shouldn't be watching this movie
( immaturity)
@@joedistefano5050 kids shouldn't do a lot of things. blame the people that are in charge of the wellbeing of the kids
society bro
Now everyone knows his names
3:03 For those who didn't watch the movie, he is actually struggling not to cry!
1:04 it was at this point Randall didn't know, he'd fucked up
All Arthur needed was someone he could trust and someone that cared about him
1:51 he didn't find the joke funny and was fake laughin.
"Randall, I'm not supposed to have a gun. They are too quick."
You cant savour all the little...emotions...
Poor Arthur 😢
0:01 You can see the scars Arthur recovered from the radiator when he was little.
The sad thing is that this is how so many people are treated by their employers
3:37 He actually hurts his knee and collapses how hard he stomps
pfl mob Indeed
the scene how he stops that laugh is amazing..pure natural talent.
This movie really says a lot about society
In This Scene
Arthur Realize
The People Don’t
Deserves His
Lovely Heart
I can relate to this Joker so much. I’m a bit different than other people around my age (21). I don’t have any illnesses, but I don’t follow trends, I don’t drink, i don’t really like to go out, and I don’t have social media. People treat me like crap just because I don’t have/do those things.
if you're purposely straying from the mainstream to be counter to it you're just a slave to it like anyone else. People treat you like crap because you isolate yourself and let nobody near you. You'll understand this one day.
Same here, fellow.
@@Bieks1 What if a person wishes to be left alone? Relationships are a choice, and not an obligation - correct? This is not a good excuse to mistreat somebody else.
You are doing the right thing. I have ten years more than you. You will be more focused for your goals than all of them.
If I wish I was around people if they bringing out iPhone to the kids around my younger age
they would've told the kids about social media like I had an iPad and now to a iPhone
to be reincarnated ever on Twitter like Vivziepop. 😒😔😞
“Why would I keep the sign”
Phoenix is super dedicated to his roles. I love that. In Gladiator to get that mean look he would go into a closet in the dark and hit himself repeatedly until he got angry, then he would go on set
When he is all scrunched up there at the end looking at the passing trains..he seems like a lost little boy. It breaks my heart
One hug might have done what Batman couldn’t.
The good guys always go through hell but when we snap we’re the bad guy💯
A slow descent into utter madness
2:59 “How the fuck do I know? Why does anybody do anything?” is the most underrated line in this movie lol
That miniature golf joke was funny af
The music getting louder, the boss's yelling getting softer...
...And Arthur stands there. With a creepy-ass smile on his face.
What a fucking moment.
I still cannot believe he really lost that much weight and looks like that for this Joker role. The dedication is just beyond recognition, mad respect. To this day the body still creeps me out
3:07 this was the first moment where i felt the pain of Arthur...
that face... the... face... good lord...
3:22 Heath Ledger Is A Smile.
the moment they said Joaquin was doing Joker I couldn't wait
the man has all 7 hells behind those eyes
This whole scene is the epitome of "This is fine, everything's fine."
😂😂
god DAMN this movie is hard to watch. Especially when he went into his neighbors apartment. As soon as she says "You're name is Arthur, right?" My heart sunk, I was like "oh nooooo". By far my favorite movie ever
Fancy she wasn’t that hot Lol, pretty sure Golthm in the 80s has more attractive women
@@umbrellacorporation9168 she's pretty cute tho, can't lie.
@@StainsStainsStains eh
Lmao the people in the comments saying she wasn't hot wish they could pull her
@@yoshikagekira2838 ehhh not really
fun fact: Phoenix actually tore his ACL when he was kicking the garbage bag
That smile at the end creeped me out I saw the devil literally
Man it's such a shame to think that Randall seemed like such a nice guy at first genuinely trying to help Arthur...that went away real quick
This movie was a masterpiece. I absolutely LOVE Joaquin's performance and that laugh....