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KelTec P17 - One Year Later
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- Опубликовано: 14 авг 2024
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0:00 One Year Later
0:45 CCW Reason
1:07 Paddle Mag
1:50 Safety
2:18 Runners Kit
2:59 Colors
3:13 Slide Stop
3:49 Malf Handling
4:11 Grip Ratio
6:43 Reliability
7:16 9mm vs 22
11:00 Body Armor
11:35 Penetration
12:15 Bear Gun
13:36 Point Shooting
14:04 Elbow Retention
17:05 Conclusion
18:00 Bonus
I purchased my P17 about a year ago when I purchased my very first .22LR Handgun and after shooting this gun for about 4 months, I was so satisfied with it's performance, I purchased another one and I now have two great 22LR Handguns! I now have 4 22LR Handguns and a 22LR Rifle and I shoot them at my LGR here in Florida in the Hot summer and I joined a outdoor range in the Fall/Winter months! I still have my Glock 48 but at my age (78) I had to make several adjustments and this P17 works great for my needs! What a great shooting gun!
Take that 22 rifle to a Project Appleseed Rifle Marksmanship Clinic. FL has a great program and top notch instructors. Very affordable and fun for the whole family.
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I don’t like the feel of the grip but discovered that a Hogue grip for a Glock 43x fits perfect .
Really improves the feel of the pistol in hand .
I felt the same way with mine. I bought Traction Grips and they made a world of difference. They are not expensive and were easy to install. Highly recommended. Cheers!
Own the p17 and really like it. Have recently seen a lightweight +6 mag extension that is available now for the gun. If it functions properly i think this would make the p17 an even better self protection trail pistol. Have ordered one and look forward to function testing it, even if it doesn't work reliably i'm only out 20 bucks either way. Time will tell
How did the extension work? Where what and how have they held up?
Talk fasterrrrrr..... Sorry.
Also interested
how did it turn out
Two of my favorite things, Mountain Biking & Shooting!
Then you'll appreciate...
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Me too! The whole time he was talking, I was checking out his 1X, and trying too sneak a peak at the make of the frame.
I’ve been binging on your videos all day . I have liked and subscribed!
I think and hope my newer videos have shown improvement. Free booklet and my videos are organized by topic at...
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Tried 2 find one for the Wife since she got her CCW recently ! She got to shoot one @ range recently & Luv'd it alot. The other reason is due to Her arthritis it was easiest to rack & shot of any she tried. TY for the videos.
If you find one, get two. You'll eventually want one for yourself, too...plus family magazine compatibility.
Or check out the Taurus TX22. Watch the RUclips videos, it has the same reputation as the P17. I have two of them now and they are easier to find.
I thank you so much for the outstanding review and real world experience testing the P-17. I took your advice and picked up one about 2 months ago. I just finished testing the firearm and it is by far the best 22 L/R on the market. And I own at several others brands. I tried 7 different ammo brands and did not have a single malfunction. I all I fired over 230 rounds. The absolute best ammo i tested was Federal Punch. I just love the stuff. Thanks again.
Mine three are solid running Mini-Mag. So far, I haven't had much luck with Punch...in my P17's or the Ruger LCP II.
www.ambgun.com/ambidextral-pistol/keltec
Thanks for the great update & review(s)! I special ordered one from a local gun shop on January 30...it still hasn't arrived. 😥 I have plenty of different .22 ammo to try in it, and I just ordered some of that new Federal Punch self defense .22 the other day (when it was available online for a few hours 😂). I can't wait to shoot this gun! I think I could see myself carrying this for self defense; I usually carry a Glock 42, but the P17 loaded with 16 rounds is the same weight as an empty Glock 42. And even loaded I only have 6+1 rounds of .380. I love my Glock but I'm excited to try out the P17!
The P17 has a very high Applegate Grip Ratio (I made it up). Check out why I think this is beneficial...
ruclips.net/video/ZXWA8vuYP-0/видео.html
in the mean time put a training laser in that G42 and try some of Applegate's ideas...
ruclips.net/p/PLVlCoEE1rzM7EAKRL73l0wmMT2ivTATuc
I bought mine in February at. Gun store and I'm glad I did
@@samuelmorado70 Just wish I had bought a case of them last year.
Super intrigued with the P17. Just hesitant to get it because some RUclips guys say it sucks and some RUclips guys say it's phenomenal. But I think I will get it because you come across as a straight up dude. I seen all your P17 videos. Thanks bro.
A couple things that might explain the reliability of both of my P17's. That reliability is with CCI Mini-Mag, Stingers and Velicitors ammo. Less reliable with bulk, box ammo and not so good with Browning BRP.
I also dry lube all of my firearms with Sentry Solutions Tuf-Glide. The dry lube not only doesn't attract dirt it seems to shed or reduce carbon buildup. 22LR is pretty dirty so I think this is a big benefit. But until I can buy two pistols, dry lube one, wet lube the other, and then do extended data collection, that is just my hypothesis. Good luck and please report back here your results, good or bad.
Sentry Solutions Tuf Glide
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@@AmbGun Right on thanks man
The gun is just a little over $200. If you have to worry about spending $200 then you shouldn't be spending it at all. Get the gun you will love it, if not then sell it.
You are right to be careful. Cheap semi-auto 22LR pistols from ANY manufacturer are always hit or miss. These guns are made to be plinkers and trainers, not as serious self defense weapons. That's why QC is always spotty on them. If you want to rely on a 22LR pistol for self defense, you have to get a revolver or a heavier high quality semi-auto like a Browning Buckmark, Ruger 22/45, etc. Otherwise, just get a lightweight centerfire pistol that you know will always function when you need it. I say this coming from a LOT of experience with semi-auto 22LR pistols AND shooting them with CCI Mini Mags, Velocitors, Stingers, etc.
I still get misfires with my 22/45, walther, etc. rimfire just isnt as reliable as centerfire.
I like the holster and set up.
I still use the Hill People bag. I need to do a Minuteman Review of it...very old full review...
ruclips.net/video/YtyeA3MlvNw/видео.htmlsi=hV0Atz6c2LWXNhGm
Great great video Mark! Keep up the great work. Still waiting for my 3 to come in from SW. Than assuming they function like yours I will have to get a black one and I'll have em all!
Be sure to report back on how your P17's function. A video coming out this afternoon, shooting the P17 from a mountain bike. Fired 200 rounds of Mini-Mag through my green P17. Zero malfs. I do run Sentry Solutions Tuf-Glide on all of my firearms. It may be superstition, but I think it helps with my reliability.
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Love mine. Picked it up on a black Friday sale $200. It has become my second EDC. When I want to carry something a little lighter then my Gen 5 19.
I'd sure like to get a third one at that price.
Doesn't that G19 seem fat after handling the P17? For 9mm, I really like the Mossberg MC2c. I'd probably like the G48, too.
www.ambgun.com/ambidextral-pistol/mossberg
@@AmbGun . Yeah love the 19. But it's a little on the chunky side. Lol. The P17 runs pretty good. Tried a box of the Federal semi auto ammo. Didn't seem to like it very much. Alot of extraction issues.
I’ve handled this in the store and would like to pick up 2-3 at the same time as well when I find them. As a Glock guy and regarding the 48 specifically, I love the pistol but for the exact reasons you mentioned the benefit of the trigger guard mag release on this in your videos, the 48’s HUGE mag release is a real problem for the reduction in frame size. I’ve gone back to my 26 for trusted carry until I figured out the best way to dremel that down to the right usable shape. Have begun but it still manages to pop out the mag during carry. Have to find the right balance between usable and hard to push - not there yet.
Nice set-up. For me personally I'll pack the extra ounces for a 9 or 40. After all, I'm riding for exercise #1, and scenery #2. I rode by a mountain lion 6' off the trail once, and a 22 wouldn't have been very comforting IF it had given chase.
I prefer to dedicate weight and bulk to trauma kit. Mountain Man Medical review forthcoming.
I take some comfort in focusing more on the med kit by the surprising effectiveness of 22LR. I knew poachers in my youth that humanely took deer out to 100 yds with a 22, witnessed many large animals dispatched with a 22 pistol, and there is a world record griz on display in a SW Wyoming rest area that was killed by a 22.
For cats and a pack of wolves, I like the extra ammo I can have on hand. I do have some videos coming on a 10mm, though.
ruclips.net/video/YWMopzx3hgE/видео.html
@@AmbGun Amb, I am an experienced outdoorsman and the relying on a 22LR for dangerous animal protection will get you killed or maimed for life. The whole point of carrying is to prevent being injured in the first place. Yes, med kits are very important. But they should only be needed as a last resort, not to use in place of stopping power. Poaching a deer has nothing to do with stopping an angry 500 lb bear or a determined mountain lion.
@@JohnB-dr8sk Here in WY, most outdoorsmen are injured or killed from falls. Hence the crucial importance of an IFAK. And for me, mountain biking, I've had quite a few hard crashes...one where a tree branch stabbed me in the abdomen...luckily just the edge. I've seen Grizzly from a distance, but no encounters. Watched a mountain lion pursue a deer. And seen a wolf. For a wolf pack, I think I'd prefer a 22LR with 100 rounds rather than a 10mm with 11 rounds. Maybe not ideal for bear, but plenty of trappers have humanely dispatched bear with a 22...and then there is that woman who killed a world record griz with a 22...of course maybe there are some who were eaten trying to defend with a 22.
As scary as a griz is, way more WY tourists are killed by moose than griz.
I do like shooting Springfield's XDM Compact 10...satisfying whoomf.
www.ambgun.com/ambidextral-pistol/springfield
I’m with you on carrying something with more punch. Don’t be like my friend Bill. He had his 10mm with critical duty +p ammo. Hollow points are fine where penetration isn’t necessary like on a human. An animal with 6-10” of fat before you hit muscle and then bone before finding internal organs. Bill unloaded 12 rounds with maybe 7 actually hitting the bear. Bill survived but needed several surgeries to reattach his face and scalp. The 10mm would have been fine if he was using FMJ. He also needed more shooting time and training. Almost half his shots missed. I can say for a fact, a 22lr directly into the nose of a brown bear will send that bear away. If your lucky and that shot travels up the nasal passage it could kill the bear as it entered the skull and skipped around in there. Moral of the story, use proper ammunition and be accurate with that weapon. And yes, there’s hotter 22lr ammunition you can buy that are supper sonic and can do more damage.
@@JohnB-dr8skYou are talking straight out your ass. A 22 lr works fine .. especially on cougars. Cougars are extremely easy to kill and black bears aren’t too hard either. I’ve killed dozens of bears .. hundreds of deer and more than 15 cougars. Stopped charging bears in Ak 3 times. 22 is fine for lower 48 , although I would like something a bit bigger if I knew I was gonna be fighting bears. I am completely confident with a 22 lr with 16 rnds
More than agree. No one talk about elongated grip. I prefer it than the rounder type.
A study of a Medieval sword fighting book, indexing the blade, introduced me to the idea.
I considered myself beyond capable when shtf. After watched your videos, i learned alot more, other youtuber are just super boring , either not for the average man.
A guy on gun broker is selling these bad boys for 215 buy it now price. (More than 100 bucks less than everybody else and is very fair for the times we are in now!) Seller had like 30+ of em this morning and now there is only 1 left. These things sell quick! On top of that, CCi has Velocitors in stock! I went on a little shopping spree!
Thanks for the alert. I scored my max allocation of Velocitors.
I gather the $215 P17's on GunBroker sold out. It's either auctions or buy it now pricing well beyond MSRP.
@@AmbGun
Yup next cheapest buy it now price is $309 dollars unfortunately. (And theres only three left at that price before it goes to the more common $350.) CCi still has Velocitors, Quiet 22, and Maxi-Mags (22 magnum) though so if any of you guys want some, now is the time to get it.
I am amazed how fast the P17 sells even at inflated prices. It really sucks how many scalpers are out there. If they would quit, ammo prices would only be slightly higher than normal by now.
found one
for the intended price
instead of the scarcity one
... going w/ CCI segmenting
for more explosive cavitation
Congrats on the find. Definitely scarce.
Thanks for sharing your experience. I have to get one.
We have many videos on the P17...
www.ambgun.com/ambidextral-pistol/keltec
Mark- I put one in layaway a couple days ago and will go pick it up in a few days. Buying it from a place where you can “try it before you buy it”. It’s been tried four times and not bought but I am going for it because it is $235 out the door. Hoping it will like Winchester 40 gr hollow points.
Both of mine are 100% on CCI MiniMag, Velicitors, and Stingers.Over the past couple if weeks CCI has had various types available to order online. I haven't tried the Winchester . Is it a bit hotter like the Mini-Mag?
@@AmbGun Thank you, sir for replying. It is 1280 FPS. Ammo availability seems to be opening up a little bit in Michigan. I think with patience I will eventually find CCI.
I just purchased a keltec p17 ....... 15 minutes before this video. I hope it's a good one. 😂
Cool, have you tried it yet. Be sure to feed it HV ammo like CCI Mini-Mag.
www.ambgun.com/ambidextral-pistol/keltec
Very nice Video content on the P17. Picked mine up yesterday. Thanks
Be sure to report back after you get some trigger time.
www.ambgun.com/ambidextral-pistol/keltec
Thanks Mark.
KelTec CP33 Black 22 Long Rifle Pistol - 5.5" Barrel, 33 Rounds...Seems to align with AmbGun. Thoughts anyone?
Just a great presentation. Points pro-22lr is how I have felt(against the average gun reviewer's opinion). Going to buy one, I'm 83 so the p17 will probably out live me. lol . Your over penetration point is important. What's the point in saving myself an taking out an innocent?
The 22LR vs center-fire thing went in a very surprising direction....
www.ambgun.com/ambidextral-pistol/9mmvs22lr
How has reliability been now that another year has passed?
What kind of bag is on your bike? I'm looking for a lightweight high capacity .22 for my mountain bike. Great video. Subscribed 👍
The P17 is my EDC 80% of the time. My wife also adopted the P17.
I'm not sure of that bag, I just recently replaced it with a tool roll from Chrome Industries.
How the P17 Wins...
ruclips.net/video/YWMopzx3hgE/видео.html
Keltec says in their manual to sling shot the slide to chamber the round.
Yes, slingshot for sure . Our other three that have been 109% slingshot, one is in need of a new slide stop to hold the slide back when an empty mag is dropped.
www.ambgun.com/ambidextral-pistol/keltec
That woman that shot that grizzly bear with a .22 has balls of steel. I wouldn't attempt it unless it was my last option.
Trappers do it routinely. A few videos can be found of 22LR one shot drops of trapped bears. Shooters accuracy is probably greatly improved by an immobilized bear.
@@AmbGun Maybe but I would prefer a 12 guages and a slug
Hello, I would like to ask you about the Keltec, what type of bullets have you used and if you have had any jamming problems with some bullets?
CCI Mini-Mag 40gr. Good results with other high velocity 22LR, too, like Aquila. I have one P17 that likes Federal Punch, but others that do not.
Mini-Mag almost no cyclic malfunctions. Rare, ammo related, failures to fire.
Your statistics you're sighting like "hits on nonvital targets" if from the same source that's states the shots per caliber stops, leaves out time to incapacitating, which is very important when self defense is considered. I'm not saying your wrong in your choice as I carry a 22lr for defense in certain situations I do too, but you leave out a very valid argument against the 22lr
If on occasion you carry a 9, you might also want to consider a Taurus G2c in .40 S&W. It weighs 22 oz - almost twice that of the Kel-Tec, but still very light. The Kel-Tec fully loaded should weigh about 14 oz, and the G3c, with only 10 +1 round capacity, about 28 oz. The difference when defending yourself against a bear, however - ~100 ft-lbs muzzle energy vs ~400 ft-lbs (varies with the cartridge) - might make the additional pound worth toting.
I do sometimes carry the Keltec PF9 which weights 12.8 ounces empty. Very light for a 9mm. For a true bear cartridge, I'd be inclined to go 10mm...or, as I do when hiking in Griz country, a 45-70 Guide Gun. But for mountain biking, I prefer to carry extra trauma gear. But as I back off a bit on my motocross inspired riding intensity, I may back off on the IFAK and favor more firepower.
Check out my "How the 22 Wins" video. And search RUclips for videos of hunters dispatching bear with a 22.
ruclips.net/video/kR3THJW5smQ/видео.html
Your right handed how's that working out pulling it out the bag with the left.
Just so happens I have a video...once ambi, why left hand carry and initial presentation...
ruclips.net/video/G15byqX8KYU/видео.htmlsi=1h13zNziyBTBGjDQ
I wanted the TX22 but they were unavailable. Now I want the P17 and it's unavailable.
I believe several of the online gun sellers have it available. And I often see it available at Rural King.
www.ambgun.com/ambidextral-pistol/keltec
@AmbGun is that the grey ripstop version of the Hill People Runner's Kit Bag?
Yes...
ruclips.net/video/YtyeA3MlvNw/видео.html
Thanks for the video! I looked and didn’t see info on your P17 kydex holster
I really like the size, capacity, and features but I have held this pistol and other Kel Tec’s with a similar grip and I don’t know if I could get used to it. It’s just really awkward in my hands, but I might breakdown and get it anyway, if I could find another one.
Check out my "How the KelTec P17 Wins..." video. It covers my "Applegate Grip Ratio" hypothesis based on my MantisX dry fire testing of several pistols two handed vs one handed. The P17 dominates my MantisX scores.
ruclips.net/video/YWMopzx3hgE/видео.html
Can we buy a holster from you like that one specifically for the Hill People Gear kit bag? I'd love one for mine and P17
Yeah, but with the standard AmbGun caveats that I kinda suck as a holster maker. Just add a note in the order that it's for the Hill People Gear kit bag and I'll add a velcro strip.
www.ambgun.com/ambidextral-pistol/holsters
@@AmbGun Great, thanks for the quick response! Your 22LR analysis has been extremely helpful and I've proudly shared it with several friends over the years.
Did you consider a Ruger SR22 with the 3 1/2 inch barrel? I guess its what one likes.
Yes. My favorite alternative to the P17 is the Walther P22Q...kind of like the SR22, but with a paddle mag release.
My buddy swears by his SR22, but I'll take my P17 16 round mag anytime over his 10 round mag.
I've been reviewing a ton of 22LR firearms for my girlfriend and I feel blessed to have so many choices! That being said, this still grab for this video always makes me laugh: 'MURICA - CUZ I NEED A GUN WHEN I RIDE MY BICYCLE!
we live in a country full of open spaces, wildlife and 10s of millions of foreign invaders. who knows what can happen in the wild?
Regarding body armor, whichever caliber focused on the head, neck, crotch, arm pits, thighs is the focus and 22 only makes that focus easier for the typical person for the reasons discussed. Never forget what the Israelis showed the world using 22lr during Yom Kipper’s exchange.
22LR is routinely dismissed as "better than a rock". The kinds of people who accidentally kill themselves with reckless gun handling.
as someone who took a rock to the head and barely lived to tell the tale, "better than a rock" absolutely scares me.@@AmbGun
"...more deader..." I like that, think I'll use it. 😏
I stole it from my 3 year old grandson.
Why don’t .22 advocates for self defense ever talk about frangible cartridges, where the bullet breaks into 3 pieces, with the center core separating too? These are made for varmints, but would also be good for 2-legged varmints.
Great video!
Glad you enjoyed it. Terrific pistol...check out our 17 episode playlist for the KelTec P17...including mounting a Red Dot Sight.
ruclips.net/p/PLVlCoEE1rzM5sOT82t51JnDu0F9ZCkv1h
I AGREE ABOUT THE 22 LR I HAVE MANY GUNS IN ALL CAL BUT I NOW CARRY 22 LR GUNS FOR CCW I DONT FEEL UNDER GUNED
You're definitely not outgunned.
www.ambgun.com/ambidextral-pistol/9mmvs22lr
.22, nobody wants to get shot. It's that simple.
It's more than just the avoidance of annoyance...
How the KelTec P17 Wins...
ruclips.net/video/YWMopzx3hgE/видео.html
thanks for the content. What state do you live in that has so much snow?
Looking for the video you referred to about making your own holster for this gun. Could you tell me which video has this or post a link?
ruclips.net/video/N2uy3-ecNGA/видео.html
When they do these studies comparing the effectiveness of .22LR to that of 9mm, are they comparing firearms with similar barrel lengths? I could possibly see a .22LR rifle with an eighteen inch barrel being nearly as effective as a 9mm. I can also imagine many people defending their homes with a Ruger 10/22 or the corresponding Marlin rifle. When the barrel length is similar and short, I have a harder time imagining that the comparison would be as even.
If I were getting something like this, I think I'd rather have a longer barrel. Maybe my own feelings aren't seen anywhere else, but I would imagine that both this pistol and the PMR-30 would sell well with an option for a seven or eight inch barrel.
40 ft pounds is the lethal boundary. Barrel length does help, but it looks like the right cartridge is much more important. CCI Velicitors and Stingers topping the list...
www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/2011graphs+/22ME.html
22lr velocity vs barrel length.
www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/22.html
What ammo do you use for yourself difference rounds in them? I'm guessing stingers
I use the basic CCI Mini-Mag, 40 gr, round nose, but also the Velocitors, the "Stangers", and the Stingers. In my imagining, the later two, with their nickle plated case, seem likely to be extra reliable. Although its difficult to prove since the others have been 100% (excepting that one malf during initial break-in on my green one). I sometimes run Federal bulk when I'm at the range and if I want to do lots of malfunction handling, I'll use Browning BRP....I've pretty much relegated the BRP to my Tikka T1x...it likes it just fine.
I use and recommend Velocitors for self-defense. Stingers are slightly longer which could cause a failure. I dont know how they perform in P17.
Is the P17 easy to rack & slide back for a woman ?
Easiest. I can do a chamber check with my pinky.
Proprioceptively. ♥️
...and ambidextral.
Subbed great channel
I,bought a p17 about,7 months ago and,have yet to,shoot it. Can't,find,ammo!
Well now you are probably more likely to find ammo than a P17.
@@AmbGun I have a CP33 and I find ammo online. Ammoseek dot com. Sometimes as low as 10 cents a round if you're lucky.
@@AmbGun no. Guns,shops in my area the shelves are barren and,devoid of ammo
@@jeffpaul8260 But they more devoid of P17's. Watch Federal and CCI online. I hear that every so often it's available. I haven't tested the Federal Defense Punch cartridge, but I bet it would work well in the P17...I feed my pistols CCI Mini-Mag.
@@AmbGun will,search around for it. Been,wanting,to,try the punch,ammo
did you see the vid on the Jaeger pistol of ww1?
seems Kelgren may have been thus inspired
I hadn't. Fixed barrel and that flat, internal slide sure looks familiar.
i870.photobucket.com/albums/ab269/Combloc/Jager/P1080899.jpg
@@AmbGun the CNRsenal vid is good
I recently bought one, i think i have a faulty mag 2/3 mags work great. It seems like it doesn’t like a full mag however. So i load 14 instead of 16 and it runs great. Any advice?
Are you running 40 grain, high velocity ammo like CCI Mini-Mag?
@@AmbGun i believe i’m running aguila 38 grain. I’ll try something new today and let you know how she does.
doo you swap eyes also?
Yes. Here is how...
www.ambgun.com/ambidextral-rifle/how-to-become-ambidextrous
Yes. See How to Become an Ambidextral Gunfighter...
Thanks🎯👍
Much more on the P17...
www.ambgun.com/ambidextral-pistol/keltec
For the naysayers and caliber queens 🤮 ...
One-shot, and the cow drops:
ruclips.net/video/F2oI4ei6NWc/видео.html
22 rimfire: super inexpensive per round, and fun to shot.
Just practice shot placement and quick follow-ups.
Stick with a 40 grain solid nose for good penetration.
Prior to loading rounds into any magazine readied for concealed carry or home defense use,
inspect each round that:
-- the case rim has no imperfections,
-- the fit between bullet and case is solid and without wobble.
For concealed carry, would also recommend changing out rounds monthly, just in case jostling while walking has affected primer distribution in the case rim. Monthly is also good opportunity to test out those concealed carried rounds at the range :) Make note of the box and lot number from which your carry rounds originate.
And then ... PRACTICE, PRACTICE, PRATICE !!!
As a veterinarian's son way back in the day I witness the dispatching of large animals pretty often with 22LR.
My EDC!
Same here, centerfires are seeing less and less action.
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I have one on the way to my FFL can't wait to get it and shoot it suppressed. Just sub also.
Where did you find one?
@@AmbGun Gunbroker paid twice as much for it including tax, shipping, and transfer fee.
"".22-MAGNUM MAY-BE A BETTER-ROUND OTHERTHAN .22-LONGRIFLE""!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!*
I definitely wish I had gone with 22 mag for my Henry Rimfire review.
Quick release pocket?????
My greatest concern for carrying ANY semi-auto 22LR are duds. Just way too many bad primers even in CCI Mini Mags. If a bad guy is running up on you with a butcher knife at close range and you get a click when it should go "bang" it could cost you your life. Yes, a centerfire can have a bad primer, but it's extremely rare. Yes, clearing drills are essential to know, but why handicap yourself with a semi-auto rimfire? An ultra lightweight alternative is a Kel Tec P32 with a 10+1 mag. 11 rounds of Underwood 32 ACP Defender rounds that put out more power than a short barreled 22 Mag and penetrate 16" of ballistics gel. And it can be concealed anywhere on your person including in your pocket.
My experience with 22 rimfire reliability (using CCI Mini-Mag) finds quality 22LR as reliable, if not more, than centerfire. Before 2020, my Project Appleseed Ruger 10/22 rifle digested 10-20,000 rounds per year doing AQTs (sometimes in my own hands, often in the hands of students) with no ammo related malfunctions.
A couple years ago, we experienced lots of 5.56 blown primers with Hornady Frontier...often causing the AR's to malfunction when the primer cup debris prevents bolt head lockup.
At the very least, I think top quality 22LR is more reliable than bulk purchased centerfire. Perhaps premium centerfire cartridges like Hornady Critical Defense would eeek out an advantage.
I shoot all kinds of .22 ammo, in my P17, but haven’t had any misfires. But I recommend good ammo, like the Remington golden bullet, Winchester or Federal.
@@peteshaw7090 You are a very inexperienced shooter if you think any rimfire ammo is reliable, especially Remington Golden Bullets! Wow. You are going to have to find out the hard way I guess
Cci ammo has proven to me to be at least as reliable as any centerfire cartridge. To suggest another shooter" will find out the hardway " reeks of arrogance.
Is it possible that you're the less experienced shooter?
I've had excellent service using CCI Ammo.
I can assure you I'm far from inexperienced shooting a variety of weapons.
Ive found the caliber and gun you can hit the target with more often than not is the best caliber to use.
To each their own.
My comment is based on my personal experience. In no way am I suggesting what is best for you.
Do you really need a gun with you when you ride your bike?
Grizzly country, for sure. Even on "civilized" trails, dogs are a hazard. My sister-in-law was hospitalized after a pit bull attack. In Wyoming, where everyone is armed and everyone knows it, dogs and wild animals are the primary threat.
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What about the "cheek technique" shooting this gun?
i LIKE keltec i have a cp33 and love it, and i certainly want one of these p17s, so this isnt a dog against them.. but im not putting ANY plastic gun that close to my face. i know the internals are steel, but common. premature detonation is a thing. its happened.
Had not thought of that. Thanks!
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Hello, does p17 have automatic fall insurance? or only external maul insurance?
Is there a risk that it will go off in a fall?
External manual safety is pretty much it. I wonder if anyone has drop tested it with the safety off...I wonder just how robust and reliable the trigger sear is all by itself. Given the light trigger, I use the safety....I sure wouldn't try to holster it without the safety on.
Striker fired pistols typically have the striker block that is disengaged with the trigger press which results in a rather creepy trigger pull compared to hammer fired.
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Why not?
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OWB kydex holster recommendations?
Forged Tec.
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@@AmbGun Ever have any issues with really bad fowling the last half of the barrel?
@@RustySprocket I run Sentry Solutions Tuf-Glide dry lube which I think helps make it kind of self cleaning. 22lr is a dirty cartridge though. At about 2,000 rounds I disassembled the bolt head and found the firing pin channel severely fouled, cleaned and coated with Tuf-Glide and a latter inspection found it in good shape. Haven't noticed anything particular with the barrel.
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@@AmbGun shot about 200rds today. 50 suppressed. Barrel was so fouled, it was keyholing and throwing rounds everywhere. No amount of scrubbing would get it out. It's sitting in the vise with an ear plug in the muzzle, full of Butch's bore shine. Two hours of hoppes foam soak did nothing.
looks like a good way to put a hole in your hand with that "grab the slide" technique. JMHO
GWrap is a risky technique. Gunfighting is kind of a risky activity. As far as I know, the Gwrap Dojo guys have not accidentally shot themselves (I think they use airsoft on the mat). I have experimented with the technique many times with dry fire and training laser. Doing live fire Gwrap with the P17 is easy enough. Centerfire you definitely need to cinch down on the slide...I've done life fire GWrap quite a bit with the Mossberg MC2c....longer slide/barrel means there is plenty of room for the GWrap grip. I've only done it using gloves to prevent getting bit by the slide/barrel lock up.
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If I’m ever in a situation where someone is wearing body armor I’m thinking I would be carrying a rifle. If shit has got to that point where we are wearing body armor I will have options.
Rifle and if forced to choose body armor and being ambi, I'd choose ambi.
Content does not match title. I see nothing about a year later.
It's still a keltec
Meaning some of the most innovative firearms engineering on the planet. KelTec started the 380 pocket pistol craze back with the P3AT that was blatantly copied by Ruger for the LCP. The PF9, with it's exceptional rounds per size & weight, was well in advance of the modern micro 9's. There is no backpack carbine quite like the SU16c. I adore the high end Desert Tech MDR, but I found the RDB not only a more affordable fighting bullpup, but a superior one for The Ambidextral Gunfighter. The P50 looks awesome, although I'm more interested in seeing a carbine version of it to compete with FN's PS90.
I do wish someone like Sig or BCM would buy out KelTec so that we'd see more polished implementions of their engineering genius.
I haven't tested the P3AT, but I do have some LCP's in the safe...maybe I'll have to do a video on them at some point.
A couple of videos on the PF9...still a part of one of my yard work Wyoming Trader's Vests, but nowadays taking a back seat to the modern micro 9's.
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The RDB, my favorite carbine.
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And the unique, compact, lightweight backpack carbine
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Join the KELTEC P17 group on Facebook!
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I'm a member, but since I rarely use FB anymore I'm not active in that or other groups. I've shared a few of my P17 vids there.
this dude carrying a 22 for self defense. my god man.
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