A Profile of Nick Valentine: Synth, Detective, & Decent Human Being - Fallout 4 Lore
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"Back then people didn't really know about synths, so I started going . Beep. Beep.beep"
Thanks for the heart dude
WAY funnier than it probably should be XD
I absolutely love Valentine like this
Beep beep beep
Haha, I didn't hear that in my playthrough, I died laughing at that part of the vid XD
Danse: "I can't believe you're replacing me with this thing"
ohohoho Danse if only you knew
'Danse'
'Valentine'
CLEVER
Ikr XD
Wtf...
On that scene Danse was wearing *X-01* Power Armor
Which meant he knew he was a *Synth*
That *BoS* brain of his should be reprogrammed -_-
@@blazingpurity3337 Honestly Danse could have learned a lot from Nick. Who better to talk to about waking up to discover you're not the man you thought you were, and your memories aren't your own?
Actually, they kind of make two sides of the same coin: The first people who accepted Nick were kind, understanding, and fair, so Nick became kind, understanding, and fair. The first people who accepted Danse were militaristic, self-righteous, and rigid. And so Danse became militaristic, self-righteous, and rigid. And they both strive to be the best example of those qualities they can be. Nick just got a better starting course on how to be a decent person to build upon.
"He tried to return to the people that showed him the first human kindness"
Did they have milk?
*strong has entered the chat*
Fist was weak. Strong stick with human for while
[Strong liked that]
[Strong disliked that]
You good leader. Not best. Not worst
Yes but it was all spoiled because it was a hundred and fifty years old and very Radioactive
Nick is the best companion Bethesda has made to date, in my opinion. He's a multilayered character with one heck of a backstory.
This. So much this. Nick is the best thing bethesda has EVER done. It includes games characters and stories. And his quotes like " i am death destroyer of worlds" etc. Is just *chef's kiss*
What about dog meat?
@@markgallagher1790 a close second
Does Nick tell you how you could always be better? Does he tell you places to set up new homes? DOES HE TELL YOU ABOUT SETTLEMENTS THAT NEED YOUR HELP?! Preston does! Which is why Preston is the best companion!
@@carsontetric3018 I will mark it on your map
Nick is more human than most people
Like me and/or my brother...
I killed most people
soyboy milk i felt that on my institute character
Yep. Whenever anyone insults him ingame because he’s a synth, I want to slash them.
@@teletersi same
A profile of Dogmeat: A good boy
TheBigAvocado A very good boy.
IKR! no matter what you do, he sticks with you
A simple profile of nick: kick ass robo-sass master
And the fluff ball can’t die!
Goodest 🐶
Well, I'm right now playing with Nick following me. I passed through Oberland Station. One of the women asked "What is that thing doing here". Nick says "Is that what your mother used to say to you?" I died. No atomic bomb produces a burn so intense.
MCPunk55 that's why I love nick so much
MCPunk55 LOVE IT!
Come on, who doesn't love Nick? He's got the whole film noir hardboiled sarcastic detective thing going on, one of the most memorable companions in the Fallout series.
I was sold completely when he said "Beep Beep Beep"
I wish I could romance him.... DoNt JuDgE Me
@@jessicaphilpot4872 It's sort of weird if you don't have a crush on him. He's just too perfect.
@@rosesweetcharlotte nah he’s my synth grampa love the gun
Then you have an option to romance a Robobrain 😂😂😂
I see Nick as more of a descendant of the original Nick Valentine. The original Nick was his father by giving him life and inspiration for an own personality, and synth Nick is carrying on the original’s legacy, to bring justice and help the people for the greater good.
Topbra111 I agree. I wish we could upgrade Nick to gen 3 body in game.
@@inugami78 I would like him to not have his skin tore off but not repaired I don't think he would like to be a gen 3. He said he doesn't want to hide who or what he is and doing so would also cause new people he meet not to trust him if they find out
@@butter_donnut2132 there is a mod that repairs him like that.
@@butter_donnut2132 I honestly like him the way he is. I do get why people would want to see him like that though. (I think you can tell by my pfp that I love him very much)
@@PresidentVesper same I just don't want his skin to be damaged anymore than it already is but not fixed
I love that they used the same voice actor for both Nick and DiMA, which makes sense.
And still they're different enough to signify the wildly different lives they had.
Here's a fun little fact for you guys. The guy who voices Nick also voices the mister handy robots, like codsworth.
I never knew that! I mostly know Stephen Russell from the Thief games and Dishonored 2. Guy is pretty dang talented.
Jaspirita really? Wow, I really underestimated Nick’s voice actor
He is also Mercer. That paired with the safehouse reference had me dying. I'm late to the party on fo4 but damn I love nick as a character.
I love the irony with Nick and X6-88.
Nick is a robot that is as human as anyone else.
X6 is human looking, but is a heartless killing machine.
True, i well dont like synths because they are human like looking robots with programs in them where some of these robots program them selves and that gives me feeling if they would take over the world and there would be no humans, humanity would be dead cause there wouldnt be that energy of self awarnes, but i like Nick, as long as he dont hides the fact he's a synth and he has a good program, i like him :D
X6-88 is my kind of people.
@@symonlibera7011 ok maxson
It just shows that people that look human the most can often be the most emotionless machine
Liam Odahl so he is an edgy teenager?
"Beep, beep beep". I love the shit eatin grin on Nicks face as he says that, almost as if he can't keep himself from laughing in the retelling
Could you? :D
if i could put that stunt as a synth.... when i retell that story i would be fucking laughing a lot
they really nailed the facial expression overall he went straight faced and his eyes even got a little bigger im loling way to hard at this
@@obsidianfrost9514 okay but is everyone here okay with the fact that "young Miss Roberts" is literally 15 and is implied having underaged sex?
Caesar Loðbrok k
"Nick Valenine, the who cannot be romanced!"
*Clenches fist*
lol you have a rabbit in the nightstand dont you....
LISTEN, LET ME LOVE THE ROBOT
There's a mod for it.
Yeah but the mod just isn’t the same
That's because he's sweet for his secretary
One of the best lines with Nick:
Sole Survivor: “Has the Clockwork Dick been stumped?”
Nick: “It’s Synth Detective, jackass”
Ayeee
He says it so mean tho it makes me feel like my dad is yelling at me 😂
He also takes a disliking to the comment lol
It was ironic that a synthetic being ended up as the most human character in the Fallout universe.
Very ironic. There's gotta be some deep philosophy in there somewhere
guess it's that prewar personality
What if we met a ghoul Nick Valentine?
woah.
Mike Leahy duude, our Nick from Fallout 4 talking to ghoulified once-human Nick, and synth Nick telling him he killed Eddie and everything that’s happened, god damn-
I just thought of that
@@gore4332 I think ghouls nick would be proud of him.
That would be the coolest thing in the universe. It would've been like meeting a parallel version of yourself, the same person but different people. Old Nick would probably praise Synth Nick for following the path of true justice and being a righteous man in general.
Mike Leahy woah.....well uhh inception?
"Nick doesn't like sarcasm, especially when it's unkind."
You are aware of his dialogue right after *killing* Skinny Malone, right?
"I wonder if he's lighter with all those holes in him? Probably heavier 'cause of the bullets…"
Mike, from Texas I suppose that was his doing though. In his eyes it’s just a noir quip.
In my experience, Nick is absolutely fine with sarcasm or a funny quip every now and then. It's just all about comedic timing.
Like if you are sarcastic with him, 90% of the time he'll laugh it off. It's just choosing when to do it
^ It seems more like a joke then sarcasm
Mike, from Texas Well, they did seem to have a sort of odd bond. Perhaps it was his way of moving on from it? I know, it sounds wierd.
He also likes it when you're sarcastic with Finn in Goodneighbor if you travel with Nick.
God, never bring Nick to Nuka World. When he scolds you, it feels like your own grandfather.
Plus, he sounds like he's going to cry when you destroy the railroad.
Surrealist Gal yet another reason why Nuka World was terrible
Zach Levan Nah. It makes sense he'd be pissed. He's a former cop.
I did bring him to Nuka World, but I never got any snarky comments. Instead, Nick and I cleaned house. That probably earned a few brownie points more than I fathomed.
Fortunately, I chose to turn on the raiders the second it was clear to do so.
I played with the raiders until the mission where you attack the Commonwealth, I then killed them all
ha i did the same i always wanted to kill so many raiders on one place
So... The mind of a cop in the body of a robot with occasional flashes of his past life...
Nick is pretty much FallOut Robocop.
Watch Bethesda make another robot cop, with "better graphics"
So they do full the full hollywood 180
"I'm just a machine, pretending to be human"
Ahhhh nicky, thats is a self aware thought, you are conscious nick, not even the gen3's have that
I read this comment as while he said that weird lol
That means he is truly a person. He truly is an Android.
Gen 3s have those. Only Gen 1s and 2s dont have consciousness
Is Nick a gen 2? I forget, but most gen threes have had their memories wiped or they're brainwashed to the core (looking at you X6-88). I get what you're saying though, he's an independent thinker.
@@MuhammadFarukh Nick is a bridge between Gen 2 and Gen 3.
In the lore, Dima cant bear Nick getting tortured and tested so he helped Nick escape and wipe his memory.
And also not all Gen 3s are mind wiped. It is voluntary, to hid themselves from tbe institute. There are some who doesnt get mind wiped.
*Beep Beep Beep*
*Thats offensive to my kind*
Nick Valentine I thought you defined yourself under the people who you lived with?
Beep beep I'm a sheep
Nick Valentine .
*your kind is offensive to MY kind*
Shut up, Arthur.
10:07 That is why I bring him along a lot of the times. He's the sass master and I love him for it more than any other character in Fo4. Best one in my opinion? Brotherhood scribe states "No machine should have free will." to which Nick responds "Why? You jealous you had to turn yours in?"
going to need a radaway for that
Freak....
Well good afternoon to you too.
*Why is this freak even here?*
Let you in didn’t they?
Random BoS: 'What is that thing doing in here?'
Nick: 'That what your parents said to you?'
The Prydwen: 'OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH'
Savage
Favorite thing from Nick
"beep, beep, beep"
ah Nick you sly guy :)
that's actually a real bomb, just pointing it out.
*"Who built this damn vault? A fitness instructor?"* Nick Valentine 2015
The_One_Titan 2287* but still lmfao
I feel like the saddest part of Nick is that he doesn't feel like the original Nick trapped in a robot's body, he feels like a robot trapped with another man's memories.
Nick just isn't one of the best companions in Fallout 4 , he is one of the most well-written in Fallout universe.
I disagree. But you have your own opinions and i respect that
Who do you feel's the best?
Smokingbobs Kellogg
Nick and Arcade Gannon...
@@SevCaswell Arcade wasn't that interesting to me.
WHAT IF THE ORIGINAL NICK BECAME A GHOUL AND MET HIS SYNTH SELF
Kittenmoose 18 .demrifnoc itanimulli
Well unless the original nick was sitting in a vault for the rest of his days, I imagine he would be very similar to synth nick, and maybe we would see the differences between the man and the robot.
I smell sitcom.
Kittenmoose 18 I thought the same thing! That would be really interesting...
Lucas Edwards I think he would be broken and bitter after the bombs.
Nicky is good people. He really is.
ElectricalNovice19
I gladly would take Valentine in my hird! Skål! Örlög fer alltaf eins og hún vill!
you got that right bucko
People?!?!
A copy of a person is still a person - he's also had plenty of his own experiences since becoming aware, I'd say even if he wasn't a person, he's still a self-aware AI. This is still enough 'personhood' to count.
He may not be human, but he is a person. And definitely more humane than most in the wasteland.
"Decent human being"
PALADIN DANSE DISLIKED THAT
Kalard Calard lmao
Hes a SYNTH he'll kill us all
I had such a crush on Nick when I first played the game. I was super disappointed when I couldn’t romance him.
This is 3 years late but there is a PC mod where Nick can be romanced. Apparently it's fully voiced too. Can look it up here on yt.
In Old World Nick's memories, he's still tied to his wife
I think it's always kind of sad to think about how Nick will eventually forget you because of his limited memory space. But it seems like it isn't really "forgetting", it's just like he knows what he did with you, but he doesn't remember who you are. He remembers your actions, but not your name or your face.
WG4575 can we give this man an applause for a great profile picture and banner?
Icosahedron
Polyblium
well considering he's met DiMA by now, he can easily ask him to fix his memory issue so he never has to forget anything again. hey maybe in fallout 5 we can find him with a bunch of devices stuck to his body like dima.
Humans have limited memory space lol
@@alext.9033 They have limited working memory capacity, but their long-term memory is virtually infinite, limited only by how much the human in question can process and preserve information. Forgetting things is common, but if you could never truly forget anything then there's no limit to how much your LTM can store.
"The synth who cannot be romanced!" DO YOU HAVE TO RUB IT IN LIKE THIS, OXHORN???
Anni Makes Games there is a mod where you can romance Nick. It's for the Xbox one and the PC
Awkward_Potato /I need to find this mod and download it immediately-/
My first crush AND I COULDN'T ROMANCE HIM. It's P3P all over again! HAHAHAHA
Awkward_Potato oh ummm I'll uhhh just delete my search history so no one judges me DON'T JUDGE
GODDAMIT OXHORN WHY?!
Nick is my favourite companion/character in any game. If it weren't for my love for him, I don't think I would've been as sympathetic towards synths. He really opened my eyes and made me realise how they are people just like us.
yeah, he is my main companion and the amount of sympathy and empathy i feel for him makes me realize they arent all that bad :)
I'M NICK VALENTINE, BEST COMPANION, IN FALLOUT 4.
I PLAYED FALLOUT 4, NICK VALENTINE IS MY FAVORITE COMPANION IN FALLOUT 4, MACREADY IS MY 2ND FAVORITE, MACREADY LOVES WHEN YOU STEAL STUFF, IT'S TRUE.
YOU ARE AN IMPOSTER IM THE REAL NICK
I'm fine with Synths because of Paladin Danse
When I first saw Nick, my imediate thought was: 'Oh my god, Inspector Gadget!"
*insert the music from the intro *
How come I have never thought of that? It’s brilliant.
*core memory unlocked*
Go go gadget Synth Powers!
I found myself caring a lot about how Nick felt about me
If he didn't like some thing I did I felt so bad. I love Nick so much
Yeah. When I did my "evil" playthroughs where I was a jackass to everyone I met, I hit a soft spot with Nick and I couldn't be rude to him.
I hate it when I fumble around and get the "Valentine hated that." I'm always like, "oh crap what did I just do wrong?"
Here is an interesting challenge for you, try to make a profile analysis for X6-88.
X6-88 is what the institue wants in a Synth. He is basically positive to what helps the insitute and indifferent what isn't even conected to the insitute.
I know he is basically a terminator which makes it interesting to analyze, trying to understand his motives and distinct factors that makes him who he is. But he also does have some distinct behaviors, like he shows some sense of humor and he seems to have a fear of heights as he dislikes it when you board vertibirds. And it’s so funny how he truly freaks out and loses his cool when you jump off heights, like ‘OH MY GOD WHAT THE HELL WHY DID YOU DO THAT ARE YOU NUTS!!!’
That raises a very, very interesting question. Why would a Synth, a Courser at that, invoke God? I really can't think of a less 'Godly' organisation than the Institute and it's not like there are no other ways to swear.
Nicholas Cross I don't think X is invoking God. I think he is just using a colloquial phrase. I don't think it implies a belief in God no more than an athiest saying "oh my God."
A better challenge would be to make a profile analysis for dogmeat
One dislike? Elder Maxon is that you?
Veveve Rere Now five dislikes?!?! I think Maxon is bringing the whole Brotherhood.
Veveve Rere no, not me.
Veveve Rere it's strong
no not strong
It was the mirelurks from their den that's in a perfect spot
Things i love:
- robots
- detectives
- sassy people
- yellow eyes
now take a wild guess at who my favourite fallout character is
Codsworth?
Curie?
Rex
Ummmmmmm Hancock?
@@sl8103 no obviously its preston garvey
Hey Oxhorn, have you ever seen Nick pray while in a church? Because it’s a spiritual sight, he just sits down in an empty pew and bows his head in his folded hands. It’s quiet amazing, which makes me believe that Synths are human, that can actually feel and love. They just have to find their own way, like must of us do in life, but that’s just my opinion. Love your videos man, haven’t been a fan long but I listen to all your lore videos as I work through the day, and I have to say you are one funny, swell hearted man. Keep up the good work Sir.
Is this something that happens???? I'm surprised, I've never seen this in my extensive play throughs. I have noted the times Nick will brace himself on the edge of a desk and hang his head against his chest....
Companions interact with animation places, there is a place of using jet animation in the Drug Den near Bunker Hill and any character you take there will use jet.
I’ve seen Cait do that before. I wasn’t sure if all companions did that, but that was kinda interesting to see after what she’s been through and maybe says a lot about her character. But of course it’s probably just programming for all companions.
@@MisterJohnDoe Yeah, just an animation spot, but it's an RPG, roleplay as you want man.
Exactly:Gen 3 synths are people. The only mechanical part is the brain.
Nick Valentine is hands down the best character in any fallout game. Nothing will ever compare to the moment you first meet him in the triggerman vault and his synth identity is revealed. I'm glad I got the game early enough to not be spoiled by his appearence, the reveal is extremely well done. You first hear his voice, then you see him in sillhouette through the window, when you approach him you notice his glowing eyes, and then he lights a cigarette, illuminating him in a soft red glow. the cinnmon topography....
Nick was a huge part of the reason why I didn't join the Brotherhood of Steel in my first playthrough of Fallout 4. His uniquely human swag and style made him really lovable and this made me feel very sorry for all the synths less fortunate than Nick. So then I joined the Railroad. _choo_ _choo_
Techno Badger i joined the bos my first playthrough becuase i thought they were like the fallout 3 brotherhood and i loved them, but not the fallout 4 brotherhood. now im minutemen all the way! united we stand!
I became a knight and then decided to switch to railroad.
Being a BOS Knight whilst being the general of the minutemen is the best possible action,the railroad is optional but fuck the railroad,the only thing they have good is their op ballistic weave,the minutemen
may be weak,but the people of the Commonwealth,along with good relations with the BOS,can make the world a better place,considering the BOS is very likely to take action if you pick the minutemen ending.
@Anne The brotherhood does not help anyone except from themselves, the Railroad's goal is to free all synths, they don't do this just to have something to do.
The Minutemen are the Commonwealth's best hope, because they care about it's people, the help and defend them otherwise than the brotherhood.
And what happens if Maxson dies? Or if the prydwen gets blown up?
And what happens if a settlement of the Minutemen gets raided and destroyed? Then the brotherhood falls apart, the Minutemen doesn't.
Nick won't have to accept that the brotherhood is in charge just as the people of the Commonwealth won't have to accept it.
They won't bend to their will, the brotherhood won't win this war, the Minutemen will.
And your sentence shows excactly what is wrong with the bos: “The brotherhood is in charge“ the Commonwealth does not belong to the brotherhood, the Minutemen don't want to rule it, they want to protect it.
You fanatic bos maniacs only want to raid the farm's food for yourself, you're not protecting anyone, you're just raiders with better gear.
@@hunterdramora Divided we fall!
40:08
"You two taking care of some... official business?"
*naked guy in background*
Oh my God I just noticed that 😂
My sides 🤣
sometimes ya just gotta let it hang out
I think thats cito from nuka world
In my opinion, there are two types of sarcasm.
The friendly sarcasm:
1. Hey, do we have work tommorow?
2. Oh no, there isn't. (Sarcastic)
And, the hostile sarcasm. The one Oxhorn described.
I personally try to be sarcastic in a friendly manner. Many might disagree with me, but I still believe that there are two types of sarcasm.
Self-Deprecating Sarcasm - This category of sarcasm expresses an overstated sense of inferiority and worthlessness.
Brooding Sarcasm - In this criticism, the speaker utters something polite. However, the tone of his speech has a marked bitterness to it.
Deadpan Sarcasm - It is expressed without emotion or laughter, making it difficult for the listener to judge whether the speaker is joking or mocking.
Polite Sarcasm - A speaker is said to have delivered a polite sarcasm when his listeners only get to realize that his kind remark was a sarcastic one after they had given it some thought.
Obnoxious Sarcasm - This kind of sarcasm makes people feel like punching the speaker in the face. It is not very funny, and it gets under your skin.
Manic Sarcasm - This type of sarcasm is delivered in an unnatural happy mood, which makes the speaker look like he has gone crazy.
Raging Sarcasm - This kind of sarcasm relies mainly on exaggeration and violent threats.
Too bad all you know when you pick the sarcasm option is that you'll be sarcastic.
You highlight the literature of this game absolutely flawlessly, you are sooo fucking good at this, so pure and intellectual, i fucking adore it
Danse:I can’t believe your replacing me with this....thing.
Oh well that’s being a little hypocritical don’t you think?
_perfect spot for a synth hideout_
Perfect spot for a fantastic meme
King Amaree it's fucking annoying
Its_Me_Romano _ Shut up nerd
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Unit x688 for allowing unit code name nick valinetime to escape you will be terminated
Nick valentine reminds me of an uncle or grandfather
A cool grandfather
Yeah he has such a cute grandpa voice
He kind is isn't he
YES! I have always viewed Valentine as a grandfather figure.
I want that grandpa
Nick is the biggest (not the only) reason why I can't convince myself to join the Institute
Belrevan or you could just join the railroad...😊
Belrevan i want to blow the institute up with the minutemen and the railroad
Same, unless I can convince my son to stop treating synths like mindless machines, he ain't no son of mine. 😤
He is my biggest reason too.
i hate nick honestly, the institute is a bunch of dicks. the railroad is full of morons, the brotherhood are a bit mental as well, the minutemen would be perfect if it werent for preston
22:50, this is exact reason I love Nick as a character.. "I dont have to be human to understand that sometimes the only way to get rid of evil, is to kill it" - Nick Valentine
I honestly feel like Nick is one of the best characters ever fleshed out by Bethesda..
When i first met Nick back when FO4 launched, i felt so happy and comfortable around him. Something about him seemed so familiar to me. It was then I realized...
He reminded me of my grandfather.
My grandfather wasn't a detective, but a marine from WW2. He served as a guard for the first UN General Assembly and from what my grandmother told me, he was personally chosen alongside a few other because of how amazing his posture and how professional he was. He escorted such people as Harry Truman and i remember him telling me "when Harry Truman walked he had a stride to him"
My grandpa was honestly the kindest and most amazing person that i ever knew, and losing him in the summer of 09 when i was a Junior in Highschool was hard. He helped support me in music and was always there to love and care for not only his kids, but his kids kids, and so on.
RIP Grandpa ❤️
Marine Pvt. John A. Ols
its odd how nick acts more human than people in fallout, or even in the real world
I know. Replying late but just got into it. You can’t even agree to Charlie’s proposition for the good neighbor triggermen he hates. New to video games too, so lol!
Valentine is my favorite character in Fallout.
Timpin D. He’s the best along side Boone
Is he like private detective?cuz he look like it
pierre rockpierre yes
Strong like little human. Smash puny robot. STRONG SMASH!!!
… … … …
We go find milk, now?
That's a bold statement, but I absolutely agree ☺️
The Synth father I never had.
24:02 when you have to many feels in your inventory because of nicks story
Yeah
Oh my god that was such a good line
"Christ look at you, you're not even alive."
"Then I guess I'm in good company." *attacks*
Imagine if the original Nick survived as a ghoul and meets synth Nick
They would finally catch the Mysterious Stranger.
Or maybe the original Nick as a ghoul IS the Mysterious Stranger?
o fuck
That would ve one hell of a quest.
Niobesnuppa 0_0
Oh fuck.....
I think an argument can be made that Nick is Nick Valentine. this same thing comes up in the game Soma. what is a man, but his memories, his personality, his world view? sure maybe it can be said that Nick isn't a person if you say he is just a synth with the memories of a dead human implanted in him. but what if we turn that on it's head? what if we instead say he is a former human who was implanted onto a synth? then we can say that he is a person, for while the body vessel is not the same, the one controlling it is. I think that we can say that this is the original Nick Valentine, just in a different body.
we can take another angle and say at what point does a human stop being a person. let's say they lose a limb, and it's replaced, either by a prosthetic or transplant. is that person now less a person? I don't think many people would say yes to that. what about another limb? another organ? what if every physical, tangible thing of the physical body is replaced, but is replicated to have the same form and function? neural path ways that store memory, personality. all that has the same structure and serves the same function, but made of something else. is that not still a person? or have they lost personhood because they are no longer in their original body?
Yes! I completely agree! When I saw that part---the "copy and paste" memories (not to spoil too much) in Soma---I couldn't help but think of Nick. After Eddie Winter was defeated, with Nick lamenting that he didn't really feel that much better about who he was despite what we'd done (aka Jenny and Nick-the-human were still dead), I realized that his self depreciation was a human's reaction to being basically implanted into a robot. Whatever occurred during the last 'brain-scanning' session was basically where Nick the synth begins. The human-Nick being lost to time and obscurity. Sure he might not remember everything from his past but that's probably a flaw of his gen2 brain rather than a sign of inhumanity. In that talk with him after Winter's End, I always pick the option "There is no other Nick. Just you." because I feel that is the closest to getting Nick to understand that he truly is Nick Valentine in every way save 'the red blood cells'.
It's so sad to me, this tragedy of Nick's search for humanity, that no one encouraged him to see past the "metal bits" to recognize the human still living on in the robot. I think this attitude towards himself comes very much from not only the understandings of robots from that time (i.e protectrons and security bots aren't able to create personalities) and his own selflessness. And I think post-war people were so mired in their own troubles (however rightly so) that they didn't have time or the willpower to lend too much trust to something they considered an 'unliving robot'.The Nick we see trapped in the Vault is one who feels he's fighting a losing battle, who's falling apart inside and out, and who's been stripped of most of his dignity. We can either reaffirm his value, the value of selflessness and honesty, or continue him on the slow path towards destruction by showing him that greed and violence are the creeds of the post-war world.
I think that this revelation that even a robot can be completely human is one of the reasons why I gravitated towards Nick so much in the game. I liked learning from him, being reminded of the importance of sentience and compassion over literal humanity. It's such a poignant topic for me, and I'm so thankful for Oxhorn's marvelous video for exploring it. :)
So nick is litteraly the ghost in the shell!
@@kassie3320 how has your comment not have a hundred thumbs up ??
Nick and the main character in soma both have to deal with their whole life being “stolen” and ruined because of it against their will.
Kassie I haven’t seen the anime but are you referring to Nick’s soul based on what the others are saying?
i always thought one of the 'relationship' endings should have been you convincing him that he IS the original Nick Valentine, just a continuation thereof.
Still think it's a shame that's not possible.
The fact that Nick had the idea to claim he was rigged to explode and then proceed to make beeping sounds with his mouth is just great.
40:08 Damn. Deacon's so stealthy he even fools the subtitles.
Alright that’s funny.
When you learn more about humanity from a synth then people slow clap
Which then erupts into a applause
Lol
Nick is the only synth with a real hearth and the only synth who took ours
There's no fireplace in his office
Gavin Seery I laughed so hard I burnt my nostrils
Its_Me_Romano _ same
@@gavinseery2515 god damn I laughed so hard to this :'DDD
Your voice is very intriguing. I like it!!
It's like the epic guy voice from honest trailers.
It's very soothing.
he should read books to children or the elderly at a library in his spare time lol
Joshua Posey its calming and so soothing :))
Joshua Posey lop and then theres nicks voice.
yall better watch the hell out for that pastrami golem
Now if ur done being a wise ass
Woah the Synth Detective
I adore Nick Valentine, he's easily my favourite companion. Once I get all my companions to max affinity, I always travel with Nick (and Dogmeat, thanks mods!)
Oxhorn you truly are a One of a kind RUclipsr!! I have watched all your videos from the start (Almost) Respect Man Respect!!
100% Seb Well Said!!
AMEN!!! Wish I could do this like he could!! Well done Oxhorn !!
he makes even more interisting than in game
Did you mean the oxhorn from now or from ten years ago? Or twenty years ago? *ponder*
Oxhorn is pretty great. You can tell he loves Fallout as much as anybody, and his insights are priceless.
Nick's memory loss is very easy to explain... the Valentine personality and memory imprint is in protected memory, think BIOS. Only his memories as a synth are limited in how much data can be held 'onboard' at one time, think NVRAM.
hey Oxhorn can You do a profile of Piper?
victor durlesteanu ya that would be amazeing
good thinking
victor durlesteanu How about Elder Maxson first?
+Brendt Cacho
Didn't he already do one on Maxson? I feel like he did
Allen Reyes Great Idea
Danse: “I can’t believe you’re replacing me with this thing”
Me: Oh Danse little do you know
My heart shatters when I make a decision and it says "Nick Valentine disliked that" 😭 I'm sorry I'm a bad person and let him down
Wish he was romancable *sigh* How I wish he could be my Valentine
There's a mod for romancing Nick.
Kjernereaktor I know, but not only do I think it should have been in the base game but I also don't play on the computer >.
The mod is also on consoles ;)
RayWolf666 what about codsworth?
There's also the "SS is a Synth" theory, do maybe SS and Nick raise Synth!Shaun with lots of weird aunts, uncles, and a dog.
the whole "is he a machine or not" question with nick I think is best answered with the "rose" analogy put up in the little prince. In it, the little prince is distraught when he learns there are thousands of other roses just like his rose, but understands when the fox tells him.
"Your rose is unique to you. There are other roses, but this is the one that met you, that you loved." not in literal romantic love with nick but with him, there is no other synth detective. Even if we met the nick valentine from pre-war, that nick doesn't have the time spent with us, the laughs and the love we shared with the synth from diamond city.
I love nick and Hancock as companions
Two companions that I would bring if there is ever a bar fight.
Is there a mod where I can bring both? Cause I wanna bring both
The clockwork dick and the zombie president wise choises
Nick: “It was about justice, about doing what’s right. And that act of goodness, that’s OURS. All the good we’ve done, that’s OURS, and OURS alone”
Me: *USSR anthem starts to play*
"those people" "They treated me like a human being" "I've been trying to return the favor ever since."
- Nick Valentine from Fallout 4.
Valentine is with Boone the Best companion in the Fallout games. When he talks about something, i listen to him. when he speaks i see the Emotion that shows on his face. I truly believe what he sais. Some Actors might learn from it. Well done Bethesda and well done Oxhorn. I would like see a Profile of Curie. To be Honest, i have a crush on Curie and it might help me to get it over with.
preston has the mostest emotion of any robot
Another settlement needs your help.
I agree with that 💯 percent
YES!!!!! NICKY HAS MADE IT TO THIS CHANNEL!!!! I love Valentine.
Dream Cats, I'M NICK VALENTINE, BEST COMPANION IN FALLOUT
4.
*DiMA to Nick* "...I literally saw myself in you." That's a little gay
Joshua Dario ha
good to know I'm not the only one who realized that xD
Joshua Dario To be honest i thought that, but i think Dima ment it as in, say a "bloodline" type relation
Joshua Dario how? Also are you against gays?
Ryanator 2K No, and it was just a joke damn
It is not the name, nor the DNA that makes us who we are, but the experience that creates the people we are.
They're all Oxhorn
Everything is Oxhorn.
Oxhorn is legion.
Ave, true to Oxhorn
Ah I love Nick. Why can't we romance this man? Is it because his heart belongs to Piper? Haha
Teagan Mackenzie I suppose having him as a friend is more than enough, even though the friendship would expire as much as a relationship, at least during the time, friendly Nick would make sure the sole survivor lives their life to the fullest, probably even advise them into meeting a new person that is good for them. It may end up being more beneficial for them to be best friends, and if he did have any sexual attraction, he's probably smarter than that.
Teagan Mackenzie Now that is something I want to see!! And it's far more realistic, isn't it?
If you have an Xbox One, you can download a mod that lets you romance Nick.
I believe that "feelings" develop from a chemical that the human brain emits from what I've heard. Valentine is a synth, so it's likely the reason why.
I think Nick can't be romanced(apart from the other reason) because he just works best as a travel companion and friend...
Nick rounded a corner at full speed and startled me into launching a mini nuke that killed me once. He's sweet but spooky lookin'.
35:39 - "All those Nick Valentines, all those moments in time, are gone." Like tears, in rain...
Smith Jones nice one
my relationship to nick when I first played the game was just like that vine. "you are my daaaad, you're my dad! boogie woogie woogie"
It would've been cool to see the real Nick as a ghoul in Goodneighbour and they'd both get confused by meeting each other
i always think the self ware argument for what makes a human human is flawed. (34:11) who I ask people what makes humans different than other animals besides more developed prefrontal cortex's and as a result higher IQ. They usually say "we are self aware" which is what you just said, the problem I have with that is we have many cases of teaching gorillas sign language(their PFC is only 11% as developed as humans) they show clear signs that they are very self aware. For example this Gorilla named rose really wanted to have a kid, the zoo peeps and scientist told her she was infertile. Rose understood this concept and was sad, they offered her a pet to raise as a kid, she wanted a cat and when they gave her the kitten she named it red ball, after her favorite toy, and she raised the cat as her baby. That shows me that an animal with only 11% of the most "human" part of the brain can be so self aware and understand complex concepts like wanting families and dealing with being infertile, it leads me to wonder how much self awareness does a dog have too. Which is 7% the PFC of humans. cats are 3%, which is why they do way more dumb shit than dogs, and they seem to emotionally connect to humans less. I have always found the Philosophy of the relationship to Humans and animals interesting. my umbers for PFC % of humans came from Daniel Amen neurologist of the Amen clinics CA. Orangutans are the closest to Human PFC development at 34% btw
nice comment! this is one of my favorite subjects, too. have any books to recommend?
Did you mean “person”, not “human”? I think it comes down to a matter of a “yes” answer to these questions. A. Can it think for itself B. Can it communicate explicitly? C. (The Big One) Does it understand the concept of death or non-existence? For the last one, you could argue about a human child could not understand death. However it is implied if it could at any point in one’s life. At any rate, your comment is thought provoking.
@@DigitalRRS based on those parameters you could argue some religious humans are not people because they can not conceive of non-existence
@@bmetz01 Death/Non-existence, both are not required, you only need one.
You positioned Nick PERFECTLY with Piper for that flirty comment XD
Why doesn't the Institute continually send coursers after Nick? He is a clear example of synths being their own beings, which is something they don't want to face. Even if Nick predates the third gens and the coursers, they should still want to wipe him out.
Harlee737 they'd use him as an example of synths not being their own beings. They'd say everything he is and everything he's done is just the personality they programmed him with and nothing more.
That would make a nice short story
Don't make me shut you up.
What about DiMA he developed his personality from his own experiences like a regular person
Probably because Nick is too busy to disappear with no one caring. That or because they don’t see much use in kidnapping or killing him, at the end of the day, he is just another voice saying he doesn’t like the institute
Nick is a seasoned man... a salty one... sorry it was to easy
🤣💦💦
I love that Valentine quote "Chin up, The night just got dark but it won't last forever" very apt in the current climate as well.
you have an amazing channel, amazing content and I must say thank you.
Death The Kid u re goddamn right
Preach
One of the best-made characters in F4? How about one of the best made characters EVER! Man or machine? Memory of the past, or hero of the present, or shaper of the future? Literal dumpster trash, or shining hero? Second-rate citizen, turned gumshoe, or personal savior? Everyman or immortal poet? The answer: Yes.
The Institute made a biiiiiiig mistake throwing him out. He might be a metal core, with a plastic coating, but he's nothing less than a hero from end to end.He's what the Institute was looking for, all along.
... of course, one cannot mass-produce heroes.
Eric Cadwell He wasn't thrown out
@@bigz4349🤓
Do not play a drinking game where you take a shot every time you hear the word "nick". You will be dead ten minutes in.
Adam Duerwachter its like the steven king drinking game
Even today, we can all learn an important lesson from Nick: The best of things can come from the worst of places
When I saw Nick angry with how he didn't feel better, it really made me tear up. Seeing him in such pain that he can't help Nick, because he is Nick. He keeps thinking of Nick as some guy who had died, when he should realize, that, he is Nick.
( 23:20 )
Phenomenal video, but I disagree slightly about Nick's view of sarcasm. He dishes it out just as bad as you do, I just think he's not okay with inappropriately timed sarcasm.
Agreed. He's definitely not all business, he usually returns your sarcasm with a bit of his own.
Andrew Adams same
the more I learn about nick, the more I wonder why we didn't play as him...
think about it, a synth sole survivor.
You just can't help but want to give Nick a big hug sometimes. He's such a beautifully written and fleshed out character.
i ate marty's body in that grass hopper quest just to see nick's reaction - i reloaded my quicksave once i saw 'Nick hated that' 😢
I thought of a great idea for a DLC quest. I call it "The mother of all closures". In order to access this quest you have to have Nick Valentine in your party. 2nd you must complete Nick Valentine's story line quest. You get a new radio signal, with a message that says "My name is John Romero, I'm pinned down by a Ghoul Gang, don't bother trying to reason with them, they'll shoot you on sight. This message repeats." You & Nick go to where the guy sent the message & kill all hostile targets. Turns out the guy who sent the message is a ghoul himself.
*John Romero:* Thanks for saving my bacon.
*Sole Survivor:* Your welcome.
*Nick Valentine:* How did you get mixed in that mess?
*John Romero:* That's a long story &...-(looks at Nick)...No it can't be.
*Nick Valentine:* What do you mean "it can't be"?
*John Romero:* So that's what they did with my personality.
*Sole Survivor:* What do you mean "my personality". Unless...(looks at Nick, then looks at John)) your the original Nick Valentine.
*John Romero:* In the rotting flesh.
*Nick Valentine:* Aside from the awkwardness from the 2 of us meeting, how did you survive The Great War?
*John Romero:* Depending on how you look at it, I was either lucky or unlucky. As for me getting mixed up with a Ghoul Gang, the short version, I helped banish a Ghoul Leader from a settlement. He's been hunting me down ever since.
*Sole Survivor:* We could help you out.
*John Romero:* Really?
*Sole Survivor:* Why not. Besides this Ghoul Leader doesn't know about losing so many lacky's. Its a perfect time to stage a counterattack. But is there anything you can tell us about this ghoul leader?
*John Romero:* Now that you mention it, he somehow managed to gather about 100 ghouls to work for him.
*Sole Survivor:* Meaning if we trying to take on the ghoul leader head on would be suicide.
*John Romero:* Actually luck is on our side because the ghoul leader divided his gang into 5 cells that are scattered across The Commonwealth. I mention this because even though the ghoul leader's gang is larger than most raider gangs, they're just as organized. In order to get them to scatter. All we have to do is wipe out 1 cell, then wipe out the main cell that has the leader, his 2nd in command & all the other ghouls under his leadership. Doing so should scatter the remaining cells in different directions.
*Sole Survivor:* Then lets not waste anymore time & take out this ghoul leader.
*Nick Valentine:* One more thing, you still remember Eddie Winter?
*John Romero:* The bastard who killed my fiance?
*Nick Valentine:* You'll be happy to know that we "took care" of Eddie Winter.
*John Romero:* I...all I can say is thanks.
After the trio wipe out 1 cell, they finally track down the Ghoul Leader & kill him.
*John Romero:* I been thinking (looking at Nick) you should keep the name Nick Valentine.
*Nick Valentine:* Really?
*John Romero:* You're doing well with it. Besides my old life ended twice, once with the death of my fiance & The Great War.
*Sole Survivor:* What will you do now?
*John Romero:* There's nothing for me in The Commonwealth. Maybe I'll head towards Canada.
*Sole Survivor:* Before you go I have to ask, where did you come up with the name "John Romero"?
*John Romero:* The name John Romero supposedly belonged to the real creator of the popular board game Blast Radius. According to legend he originally was going to it "Doom".
*Sole Survivor:* Doom? That's a dumb name for a game.
John Romero parts with Nick & The Sole Survivor, never to be seen again.
please let this be a thing, but instead of John leaving, he becomes one of Valentine's assistants along with Ellie.