Antiwork & The Great Resignation: Why workers are quitting their jobs
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- Опубликовано: 20 янв 2022
- The Great Resignation is here. Workers are quitting in record numbers, demanding higher wages and better treatment. At the same time, a Reddit community called ‘antiwork’ is providing an outlet for frustrated employees, a platform to organise collective action, and a place to philosophise about a friendlier future of work. Where did this movement come from, and what’s behind the palpable discontent with the modern workplace?
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Antiwork subreddit: www.reddit.com/r/antiwork
More info on the productivity-pay gap from the Economic Policy Institute: www.epi.org/productivity-pay-...
Chart showing latest quitting figures: fred.stlouisfed.org/series/JT...
Declining working hours: ourworldindata.org/working-hours
... and also: eh.net/encyclopedia/hours-of-...
History of US minimum wage graph: fred.stlouisfed.org/series/FE...
Keynes’ essay from 1929: www.econ.yale.edu/smith/econ11...
Doreen's website: www.abolishwork.com
Contributors:
Anthony Klotz, Texas A&M University
Doreen Ford, moderator of r/antiwork
Sylvia Allegretto, University of California, Berkeley
Benjamin Hunnicutt, University of Iowa
Tom Hodgkinson, The Idler magazine (www.idler.co.uk/)
Special thanks:
David Frayne
Autonomy (think tank)
Further reading:
Bullshit Jobs by David Graeber
The Refusal of Work by David Frayne
The Abolition of Work by Bob Black
Work by James Sulzman
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Things change fast, don’t they? After a poorly received Fox News interview with Doreen (the mod featured in this video) and backlash on the subreddit, r/antiwork was briefly made private. Doreen has been removed as a moderator, and the team of mods has thinned out. It should be noted that my interview with Doreen was conducted in early December, and this film was published before any of this went down. When I messaged the mods to request an interview, Doreen was the only one who responded. I also messaged dozens of r/antiwork subscribers, and spoke to several of them on and off the record. You can hear some of their interviews in this Twitter thread: twitter.com/TRF_Stories/status/1484561746023038976
So what happened? Many subscribers to antiwork felt misrepresented by the Fox News interview and expressed consternation with the way the moderators handled the interview and the community’s response. A related subreddit-r/workreform-was created, and picked up over 400K subscribers in a single day. r/Antiwork is now back online, and the moderators and subscribers are dealing with the fallout, deciding what to do next.
The whole debacle raises interesting questions about the identity of the movement and about its future. The controversy has deepened a growing schism between the radical and moderate subscribers to r/antiwork, and their respective views and goals. The subreddit was initially created and populated by more radical Leftists, many self-described anarchists, who wanted to see work abolished altogether, citing anti-capitalist rhetoric.
The recent surge in popularity has seen a shift in the political makeup of the group; a large number of newcomers express more moderate views, seeking changes to the way we work, but not wanting to abolish work or capitalism completely. What antiworkers seem to share is discontent with work as we know it-what they don’t share is what exactly they want to see instead.
While the specifics about the antiwork subreddit may not have had such a long shelf life, it only makes up a minority of this film, and I’m confident that the discussion of why antiwork became so popular, the roots and effects of The Great Resignation, and what they might mean for the future of work remain just as relevant now as they were last week.
Thanks again for watching. I would love to hear what you think-whether you’re for or against, r/antiwork or r/reformwork or none of the above, please share your thoughts below.
-Asher
Is it true that the moderator was fired only because of the interview? Despite the fact that he had difficulty articulating what he was saying and portraying what r/AntiWork is. It's a bit stupid to dismiss one of their "best" moderators they thought that could represent them.
You mean a Reddit cave troll who doesn't want to work at all and calls laziness a virtue joined an echo chamber which only led to their confirmation bias to the point they became a mod of a subbreddit that has only posted fake text messages of how they "told their boss" they quit and tought they represented the entire idiotic movement was met with some backlash?
Man I did not see that coming/s
This is a great update to a (still) great video! I've been riding the wave with r/antiwork, and the last couple of days have really shined a light on the differences between the old guard and the old members.
Thank you so much for presenting the origin of Doreen!
What sucks is that everything else on here is important for people to understand, neither political party represents the working class anymore, but Doreen's idiocy illustrates how perfectly the people complaining the most don't even understand the problem.
Let's face it, on the left there are idiotic midwit anarchists who barely understand what the issues are for the working class & on the right you have a burgeoning populist movement of ambitious, family-oriented everyman types.
It's sad that Democrats were able to destroy the Bernie Sanders' movements so that the only thing left is to move to the right.
Democrats want to keep workers reliant on the government. Hard work is the only answer we have, & those who work hard & can catch a break can still have a good life in the US.
That was a huge thing I noticed, the huge divide. Hopefully this was an unfortunate event in the grand scheme of a lasting movement. I think people now being more specific with what they believe is a good thing
I don't think it's "anti-work", people are quitting their jobs because they're tired of being treated like shit by clueless employers that demand loyalty but don't give it back.
It's one of many reason that's why it's included in anti work.
It pays shit with constant nagging and disturbance bos demand more with no gain.
Yeah the popular subreddit was 'taken over' by people with your sentiment (which I agree with) but it was initially exactly what it says, a complete disdain for work in general.
LOL. Well, the solution to your problem is to become a "clueless employer". Show the world how it's done, I'll wait.
nothing about unemployment checks or mandatory vaccines.. lol
damn skippy
Imagine saving the company $2 million and you get a .69 cent raise
I bet it happens a lot
yeah I saved my company hundreds of millions and they road blocked me at every turn and promoted people over me and gave me tiny raises. I quit last year.
I calculated, over the course of 18 years, I saved or produced more than 2 million dollars. I was rewarded by getting fired.
@@SoulDevoured Sure they did. You probably caused nothing but grief there and they fired you
@@freebird0147 I mean sure I probably did but the company had an "old school" problem.
It was my job to help fix decades old bad data and methodology. They were still using typewriters for Christs sake.
It was my job to buck convention and help improve efficiency.
2/3rds of the team quitting before me and then the entire department being restructured with multiple managers being reassigned suggests the problem wasn't me.
Hustle culture leads to failed marriages, failed friendships, poor mental health, obesity, depression, etc. Hours over 40 take their toll eventually.
Just don't work at all! That will show them! Working is too hard, you have to do things!
I love the hustle culture I worked 70hrs this week alone tomorrow im working the weekend this weekend as well
@@a-yates and when was the last time you spoke to your friends or family? When was the last time you saw your kids?
Exactly. And then politicians wonder why there are less newborn children
@@a-yates what
Overworked employees make good customers. They buy things out of a need for convenience, pay for services for minor joys, and never have time to become more self-reliant.
Great point
"Have no time to become more self reliant"
Feel that one, I earn almost nothing and feel like I have no life left to do anything fun or become proficient enough at the things I like that I can monetize them.
I’ve always been overworked
And underpaid employees make loyal workers, if you don't pay them enough to have disposable income they can't save money... and if they can't save money they can't give you the finger and walk out due to poor treatment. If you dont believe what I'm saying you should work in HR for a year and see the sort of inhumane conversations that go on.
How can you be overworked and have no time but still be a good customer?
Most people in management positions and places of power are some of the most narcissistic and sociopathic individuals I've ever met.
I'm only 28, but almost all of the bosses I've have had were complete tools. Hardasses who are workaholics.
@@firingallcylinders2949 gotta work hard to live well bro
@@constantdoodle32 You can be a hard worker and have a good work ethic without being rude to people. It's one thing to work a ton to provide but working non stop just to get that extra dollar to have that extra toy that's being a workaholic. Neglecting friends and family just to make a few extra bucks is not a life. Nobody sits on their death bed and goes man I wish I had spent just a few more hours at my job.
Yea that's the point you know? Having moral compass will undercut you at some point and they don't have such problems. Tho can't say that pure capitalism doesn't encourage behavior like that. It opens doors - morally questionable or outright reprehensible doors but doors.
The goal takes priority and well way or method doesn't matter cause they stop being put threw moral lense.
@@firingallcylinders2949 true
It’s not anti-work. If a person works 40 hours a week, and still can’t afford to live, eventually they give up. Not everyone can be a doctor or lawyer, if they could, you probably wouldn’t be one.
Since about age 8 when people asked me what I wanted to become I told them I wanted to have only free time. Not living on the couch, dying a slow death, but having time to meet friends, learn interesting stuff and whatnot. I've always gotten pushback on that from adults (you need a profession to be fulfilled, blah, blah) and now people don't find my ideas so weird anymore. Awesome!
Me to!!!
Word
So many old people, they die, dead broke because of cancer etc.
In Germany where there is free University 60% of high school graduates choose trade schools over University.
Same, ever since I was a kid I knew that I wanted to retire at 40, hopefully I can before tho
This anti work movement really resonates with me. We were never put on this earth to work, retire, then die. If money were not something you had to worry about what would we do as humans. My answer is what truly makes us happy
I've always had a problem with the 'you can relax when you retire mindset'
like when I'm 60 and i can't do anything anymore? sounds great.
@@Born_Stellar Because nothing gets my blood flowing unless I think of all that free time I'll have as a senior citizen with declining health and a monthly gubment paycheck. But hey, I'll be 'retired'.
@@monkemonkerson5620 you forgot the sarcasm marker
So true
The greedy, narcissistic wealthy people made up the capitalist system for their own power trip, time we show them we are NOT their play things.
When I saw that survey from the UK that said that office workers only do 3 hours of "real" work every day, I did some introspecting and realized that, yeah, almost no one in my office works more than 3 hours despite being in the building for 8 hours. I genuinely believe most office jobs could shorten to 6 - 7 hours, four days per week, and literally no productivity would be lost. People would be happier and average productivity might even go up.
At my old job people were working 10 to 12 hours a day consistently. There wasn't a bunch of BS going on. There was never a day where anyone completed all their work. I wish I only had to work 3 to 4 hours a day to complete my work. Quit 1/3/22.
The other 5 hours are spent on a 1 hour lunch and 4 hours of useless meetings where you zone out after 10 minutes.
How do you guarantee all those reduced hours would be actual meaningful work though? You can't
@@1031ent think about why that was. Was it because that’s just the requirements of your industry or was it because the CEO and shareholders of your company refused to hire enough people because it under minded profit margins. The reality is that you were forced to work ridiculous hours because it was the difference between your owners getting a second or third yacht.
@@ysammo214 except experiments were work hours were reduced showed increases in productivity for the company. Companies that reduced work hours to four day weeks literally saw employee productivity go up due to people being able to actually rest, recharge and return to work happier after spending time with friends and family.
Quit my job 1/3/22. I worked for 20 years at GEICO. Every year was was record profit, but the goals always increased. For 364 days a year we were told we sucked and we weren't working hard enough. And then on the day profits were announced it was always a record profit. I simply got tired and had enough of the whipping. It was the best decision of my life. Before I quit I spent 6 months generating alternative revenue streams. I made more in the 6 months before I quit, than in the last 10 years at Geico. I'll never work for anyone other than myself again.
That’s how it’s done.
Cool. Now you can live off the govt
Are you so sure what you've done isn't just becoming the equivalent to your management at Geiko?
I'm highly suspicious of your claim that you were able to make 20x your salary with "alternative revenue streams", while still working at Geiko.
@@specialagentorange4329 read it again. I am not living off the government.
@@1031ent what kinds of things did you set up for your revenue streams? I am trying to do the same but i mostly do odd jobs now.
When you're treated like a piece of garbage, you've no choice but to quit.
As someone who has had a 4 day work week for going on 4 years now, it is definitely the way to go.
What kind of job do you do if I may ask?
I agree, context is key here
@@bunnyxmahgii network/engineering
Yeah, I used to work 4/10s that always turned into 4/11s or 4/12s, with no breaks, and it was still better than working a 5 day week.
I have 3 and 4 day work weeks interchanging but it's 12 hour shifts but it's great
The pandemic gave a much needed fuel to the anti-work fire. Essential workers were exploited (as almost all workers are) to make the wealthiest people exponentially more wealthy without seeing anything beyond a marginal improvement to their material lives. As a result, the working class is finally starting to find its class consciousness.
by definition working wages under a capitalist system all the working class is exploited, and I'm happy to see more and more people get exposed to more radical ideas when they join subreddits like antiwork and gain class consciousness
Also the stimulus money allowed people to sit up on their butts and complain.
@@lynnsmith4 The stimulus money allowed people to not starve or become homeless while they were unable to work.
You're thinking of the _pandemic._ The pandemic allowed people to sit on their butts and complain. And by "sit on their butts and complain," I mean they finally had some breathing room to reflect on their lives and realize they were sick of having to deal with mountains of constant bullshit for meager compensation.
@@lynnsmith4 I would have said that differently like "stimulus money meant people could demand better conditions by strike without literally dying of hunger" but yeah that's one way of seeing it
@@anarchosnowflakist786 Was that the actual purpose of stimulus money? That backfired didn't it. What is that saying...every good deed must go punished. This is exactly why the government can't do handouts.
My friend recently quit his full-time low paying job for a over-night part time job that is paying him a lot more.
$15.75/hr(full-time) vs $21.75/hr (part-time 30hrs) It made a lot sense.
What job does he do?
@@pervinthir7151 its Amazon wearhouse job.
hope your friend will be healthy forever and won't ever need benefits of a full time position.
@@johnny5896 it's no concern to him. He's not afraid of death but he's afraid of not living life before death.
@@SoMuchSoy good deal, tell him to smash and dash only, do not get involve for have kids then may his dreams be realized soon
For the last thirty to forty years we have seen the intentional crippling of unions, and the rabid increase in productivity and the unending expectation of constant, sky high productivity, without a substantial raise, sometimes without a raise at all. We are all, or at least most of us are doing the work of 3+ people, and instead of replacing people that leave, we stagger the work, we stack it upon the remaining few and expect them to do it without complaints, questions or concerns, or they are fired too. The quality of life and standard of living have dramatically and sharply decreased in that same time period, where workers are treated as disposable pawns, irrelevant warm bodies meant to work for a short time and then leave when the abuse or expanded job responsibilities become too much. We are in an abusive relationship with corporate America, and the abused have FINALLY come to this correct conclusion, and this won't end ANY TIME soon, it will become urgent and chaotic, we are about to see a correction of expectations of corporate America, and for the first time in nearly half a century we will see concessions the likes of which have been dreamt of by human beings for thousands of years. We CANNOT give up on this, we must continue to have a zero tolerance policy toward abusive employers, and no two weeks notice, they have lost that privilege, and that is their fault, and not our problem.
“Show them no mercy. For you shall receive none.”
-Aragorn
Absolutely beautiful comment!!
well said....no more work of three done by one with no more compensation....not worth it anymore....im not anti work im anti make profit at all costs and forget the workers.....nothing wrong with making a profit but lets equal it out.
there is no law that says you have to give 2 weeks notice. it is just a courtesy employers expect. of course, it is not a courtesy they extend to you ....
The workers have often lost faith in Organized Labor Unions because the Union Racketeers earn from the companies and betray the workers. Where Socialist policies expand the Social control of the economy output declines. It gets worse for the public in Central Planning.
I worked for a company for 12 years and my co-workers were like 2nd family. I attended every social functions and events. 2020 70% were laid-off from my work, fortunately I kept my job.
But I wasn't safe only because I had to take on the burden of 4 other people jobs without a pay raise.
2 years later, I got fired because I couldn't keep up.
Not only I was unceremoniously fired, but NOT ONE co-worker asked about me nor called me to see how I'm doing. I spent most of my time at work just to be forgotten in minutes.
I see why Quietquitting is trending! I support it!
That's the sad and real truth about working like a mad one in a company. When you're fired no co-worker call you because he/she never really liked you, it was only pretending scenes, theatre-like.
Why the heck should people commute to work if they can do something online from home
Just a waste of resources and creating pollution and traffic congestion
Job loses the ability to micromanage as much when you're not in the office. They also lose the ability to push their brainwashing. You will often hear it referred to as "culture".
Personally I have a harder time focusing on being productive when I'm at home, but also my home life and work meld together and over all I feel more burned out as a result.
I need a space where I can in my head be in work mode and a space where I am in relax mode and separating the two helps.
@@Alliniska you just need a desk. If you only require an internet connection for your WFH job, you can travel/work at the beach/etc. Just more options. Annoying coworker? Leave the zoom/temporarily mute them.
Agreed. My friend's employer forces them to go to the office even though they can work from home. It's because the employer still has to pay rent. They still join meetings via Zoom at the office even though they have boardrooms.🤷🏻♀️
Having worked remotely for almost three years, I can tell u remote work is not that glamorous or lucrative as it sounds.
Sitting at home all day has impaired my creativity. It has made me lazy, unhappy and depressed. I miss going to the office, meeting my colleagues and hanging out with them. Human beings are social animals and were created to interact with each other. Working remotely can make you feel lonely and isolating. You don't feel like you're at home instead it feels like ur management has infiltrated your only place of privacy and comfort.
It can cause heath problems as you are sedentary for several hours.
It's not just an American movement either. They have much the same problems in the UK and Europe. It's about time some leverage went back to people and not employers.
Important point! The 'Tang Ping' / Lie Flat movement in China is a great example of something similar happening outside of the west, as well. -Asher
Absolutely well said! The time of routine employee abuse is over, we don't want to take this to the next level, and the next level is inarguably the need and demand for force to quash these horrifically bad corporations.
@M W depends what job, lots of people that are hard to replace also get exploited.
Maybe workers want better work life balance?. EU gets 4 to 5 weeks minimum. US and Canada get almost nothing by globally mandated standards(2 weeks or 3 weeks max for most). Give people proper pto so they want to work hard to enjoy their time off!. Oh and try give them flexible work arrangements so they dont burn out commuting back and forth. We need to talk with coworkers, and build relationships, but we also need to prevent burnout. Good pto and flexible work arrangements are a good start. Workers are quitting burnout and cant live their lives either, they want to be treated humanely and do their dream while young or with family. Just my opinion.
This aged well.
The community is still going strong though. An idiot making an ass of himself in an botched interview that is no longer part of the community will be forgotten in a few weeks. The impact of the great resignation will be felt for quite some time economically (like several backed up supply chains), evident by several state judges trying to use the law to stop people from striking and the increase in the union busting. They don't wanna treat the working class like people? Then let's let this continue and watch it snowball further. And the movement hasn't stopped with America, with UK workers being the biggest example in Europe and the Tang Ping movement being the biggest example in Asia. People are fed up
Like spoiled milk
You posted this comment 5 days after the video was put up. How can the video be aged at all?
@@adamdymke8004 you said it yourself, it aged 5 days. Like spoiled milk haha
@@adamdymke8004 The day this popped into my recommended was also the day that r/antiwork imploded due to the fox News interview.
I'm shocked at just how much truth and nuance you were able to convey in such a short 11-minute video. Great journalism, great job!
"Great Journalism", there is no such thing.
This needs to be a full length documentary.
Workers of this country need to unite and stand up for our rights. We need a nation wide strike to force the corporations to the negotiation table on our terms not there's. Remember we own all the labor without us they own nothing
Shut up and get back to work
Stop thinking you deserve 50 dollars an hour pushing cash register buttons all day
why would they hire you if you can't even spell ?
what "rights" are you speaking of? the deal is, you ask to be hired by a company, they make a deal with you. and you start working. you decide you dont like the deal after a while, and now its all their fault? you have a choice..quit. this union idea that they have some ownership of the job drives me crazy.
actually, we dont own all the labor. corporations will just outsource their hires.
If my employer doesn't keep my wage at pace with inflation, I will start slacking.
Best Supplement for this video here: The Past and Future of Work by 'Some More News'
And like that, the movement on Reddit died.
And that mod singlehandedly destroyed the movement and made is a joke
Yup and now we're seen as lazy and entitled.
@@Hahahasuiiiii How?
@@MrKingtyrant05 you are
@@MrKingtyrant05 well I kinda agree on what that they said about toxic bosses. But that doesn't mean you can't look for another job.
I think Doreen seemed a lot more eloquent in this video than at FOX. This totally changed my judgement. Doreen probably also was extremely nervous in that interview and doing an interview in an hostile environment is really extremely difficult. I don't deny that it was a total failure, but it was a difficult job that probably was underestimated.
**unending inflation ever since moving to funny money fiat currency, stagnant wages for decades, most workers will never be able to afford a home in two lifetimes**
hmm i wonder what the problem could be...
"Since 1979..." Off the gold standard in 74, creating a debt based a society.
God bless the federal reserve!
Inflation didn't get this bad when there was a gold standard :3
Let's bring that back~
Neoliberal policies (tax cuts for the rich, anti-union laws) since Thatcher & Reagan have caused wealth to flow to the 1% and 0.1%.
I want to work!I need money and to stay busy for my sanity! But I hate the unpaid overtime, unbearable stress and being on call 24/7.
Exactly ... a similar thing with me.. fortunstely i have saved enough ..but want to work for sanity and self respect ..but the toxic work culture and disrespect from the employer are so stressful that quitting looks less stressful than being in such an aweful work atmosphere where it is so dreadful going to work each day ..i recently quit my job and having a peaceful sleep since then ...feels so relaxed now ... i dont even feel like trying for a new job anytime soon ..i was in so much trauma working in this company
I think one factor is that the Covid lockdowns gave people a chance to experience the benefits of staying at home, avoiding a long, expensive commute etc.
After discovering this, the habit of going to work 'just because you always have' looks a lot less tempting, and prompted a lifestyle review for those financially secure enough to consider giving up work.
Aged like milk
I think there is an important factor that leads to the great resignation other than income inequality is that the esteem from working is low. People, especially the youngsters are more concerned about the level of satisfaction and life experience which it is difficult to achieve in work as only a few successful people would have(and it requires passion and hard work) and most of us just think working is a torture and a waste of time. We do not need to work much to stay alive and cover expenses so it makes sense we quit to find our true happiness in other parts of life
I think another factor is that all the effort the average person puts into their work doesn't benefit them, their family or even their society, but only a select few that don't contribute a proportional amount work to the system. No, "my money works for me!" isn't contributing actual work.
We would still have supply and demand without the parasites at the top, but without us they would have to put in the work to feed themselves.
Some people might say "that's just the way things are", but this is simply not acceptable any longer, in the same way that it is unacceptable to say "some people are of noble birth and were born to rule over the peasant class".
Society decides what is normal and we the working class are society.
I’m glad you highlighted this. Sylvia touched on this briefly when talking about the productivity-pay gap - that average workers are no longer seeing the fruits of their labour the way they might have used to, and a remote few now reap the benefits of that productivity. It could certainly be a key factor behind the frustration among so many workers today. -Asher
@@Context_news Increased productivity does not necessarily mean that workers are working longer or working harder. Increased automation has meant that workers can often do more now for the same amount of effort. When I was a computer programmer in the 70s, we did not have the sophisticated software and hardware that we have now. My productivity has gone up because my employers have spent money on assets that enhance my productivity. There is a cost associated with those assets which is taken on by employers. I do not deserve any raises just because my employer has spent their money on better tools for me to use.
@@sdrfz That's not true of many jobs. I'm a teacher, and I deal with huge workloads and bullshit, in exchange for pay I can barely live off of. I have not gotten any kind of raise in 7 years and I have little hope of getting one any time soon, and in the meantime the cost of living has become more and more expensive every year. So essentially I'm taking a pay cut every year for dealing with the same amount of work and stress. The effect is that I feel burnt out and depressed, and start to believe that working hard and doing a good job is pointless because I see no benefits from it. And thus, you get lots of good teachers leaving the profession in droves, and the overall quality of education in the country keeps plummeting. The same sort of thing is happening with nurses and other care workers.
Meanwhile, you have almost the opposite problem of "bullshit jobs" that may pay decently, but are meaningless. In those cases, workers start to feel burnt out and depressed because they are spending their precious time on this planet doing work that is totally empty, leaving them without a sense of purpose. But if they wanted to leave that job and go do something that _is_ meaningful, like say teaching or nursing, they'd be faced with shitty pay and shitty benefits.
And meanwhiler, you have people getting college degrees in the hopes that they will be able to get a good job, only to find out that they have to take some garbage entry-level job that pays barely more than minimum wage, which makes it much harder for them to deal with their crushing student loan debt. And thus people start to feel like education in general is a waste of time and there's no point in bettering themselves because it doesn't pay off.
The ones who succeed in this system are either a) extremely lucky, b) already had a leg up that most people don't have, like wealthy family members or good connections, or c) both. Everyone else gets screwed, and we're sick of it.
@@sdrfz whether or not you 'deserve' a raise for increases in technology provided by the capital owner, you do realize the consequences of the profits going exclusively to those who own capital, no?
a hypothetical if you will: a company develops a new technology that reduces the amount of time needed to produce a product by 50%! they then layoff half of their staff. they keep the gains of the increased productivity while also cutting labor costs. wow! great for the company! stock prices soaring! but untold amounts of people's lives are instantly put in jeopardy. will they find new jobs? will they lose their house if they cannot? will they turn to drugs or alcohol? will their relationships fall apart? what will remain of the community that those jobs supported? the capitalist is not concerned with these questions.
if you want a real life example take a look at what happened to detroit after the auto industry closed shop and went after cheap labor in mexico. just take a look at before and after pictures, statistics of incomes, statistics of crime, etc. an entire city decimated because capitalism allows these decisions to be made exclusively by capital owners.
of course another consequence of the untold amounts of profit going exclusively to capital owners is the power that comes with that wealth. im sure you know they are openly buying and selling our government in order to lower their taxes, remove regulations, buying judges to avoid prosecution, and so on. anything they can do to increase their profit margins. this of course leads to our public goods being cut to make room in the budget. cant afford new school funding, infrastructure crumbling, public lands being sold off, etc.
this is the natural order of capitalism because those who make these decisions to shut down factories, lay off workers, etc are insulated from the negative results of such actions. their jobs are still secure and they dont live in the same community in which they are essentially destroying. in fact they only see the rewards, which include increases in profits, higher stock valuations and thus dividends from those stocks as shareholders.
so you may not 'deserve' a raise, but are you okay with the consequences?
@@sdrfz congrats, you’ve been successfully brainwashed by capitalism. To simplify, say your company’s profits were $100. This new technology cost them $5 and increased profits and productivity by 50%. It also reduced labour requirements by 50%! Now the company fired 50% of the workforce and demanded the other 50% to keep up the same level of output but with no pay increase. So now you are putting out 50% more productivity, and doing twice the labour you were labour but haven’t received any salary increase. They also won’t lower their prices despite it being cheaper to produce. The company is now making $175 because of the cost cuts and raised output. Where does that money go? Not into the hands of the employees making them money. Not passed onto customers who would benefit from reduced prices, not into the community despite directly contributing to unemployment costs. No, it goes into the hands of a handful of privileged individuals who will take it out of the economy, store it outside the country and never pay taxes on it. - this contributes to inflation by the way as that money is no longer directly stimulating the economy.
Who’s here after the MOD embarrassed himself?
lmao
THATS A WOMAN!
It has XY Chromosomes..in every cell of its body. Do not be delusional.
I had a four day work week every other week for 2 years. It was hell. During the four day work week, I worked longer hours by far in order to make sure I made up for the day off on Friday. By the time Friday rolled around, I was exhausted. I do recommend a four day work week but only if hours are normal other days.
What kind of job did you have?
I think that's exactly the point he's making: to shorten hours overall, not overcompensate on the days workers are at work.... but as always in capitalism, the 4 day work week will probably be exploited, like your employer did to you.
The piece renders the achievements and defeats of labor invisible despite being a key player of every moment discussed. The 5 day 40 hour workweek that Keynes was prognosticating from was not the organic result of increasing production, but instead won after decades of fighting by labor at the cost of pain and poverty and blood. Unions were defeated in the 70s on into the 80s, leading to the neoliberal era that we live in today. Even now the paltry increases in wages are being attacked as "wage inflation"; something to be controlled and reduced.
100% correct. We would probably be having 3 day workweeks if the rise in production actually paid off in benefits to workers. Or much better pay. The 5 day work week didn't come without fighting or without casualties.
This is an absolute cope for the people forced to leave their jobs over vaccine mandates: its not voluntary. Its that vaxxers are bigotted monsters that are attacking their peers.
@@hia5235 I agree vaccine mandates shouldn't be government enforced, now I wonder if you're gonna keep the same rethoric to defend immigrants
Correct, but here in the UK my middle class right on friends keep telling me that our workers rights were given to us by the European Union. Ignorance on stilts
Keynes was not taking into account, the narcissism of the employer who demands that people be at their work place for 40 hours or else.......
Alone you beg. Together you demand.
Like Auschwitz?!🤔
Amen
And fail either way, because it isn't physically possible to give most of these demands. Wal Mart as an example has 1.6 million US employees. To give them all a $10/hr raise, something I saw suggested by the antiwork movement this morning, would cost around 22 billion a year, or roundabout double what all shareholders combined make.
@@JD-xz1mx oh noo, the poor shareholders. Who will think of the shareholders?
Walmart revenue was over 550bn last year and gross profit over 125 billion. Walmart can afford to give every worker a $10 raise by your calculation and still have over $100bn to divide amongst shareholders.
@@JD-xz1mx I don’t think you understand what physically possible means. It’s certainly possible to give workers a larger share of profits. Capital owners and shareholders may not want to because it conflicts with their interest in taking the larger share of profits but it’s certainly physically possible. Shareholder interest isn’t some natural physical property like gravity. Stop bootlicking.
this didnt age well, hahahahahah
They keep telling people there's a worker shortage but they also tell people a working employee should be worth less. The disrespect has just become too blatant for a lot of people and they just quit.
If a CEO makes 351 times more than the average worker, companies need to automate the executive team first if they are publicly traded as they have a fiduciary duty to the share holders🤣
Obviously ridiculous argument is obviously ridiculous. Management is the most difficult thing to automate because management are the ones who handle changes in laws and the market.
Though even if that weren't the case and you COULD automate CEO's, the shareholders are the ones who offered them that salary in the first place, presumably because they think they're worth more than that. Otherwise they would already be paying someone less and pocketing the difference.
I worked around robots in the late 1980's hello nothing new..
@@JD-xz1mx Guess who manages your RUclips recommendations, something that looks at millions of variables and consistently produces the most amount of money possible. Hint: It's not humans.
@@GabrielMartinez-tc6yf Exactly. This needs to stop.
Lol make your own company
Really great video. The problems with the rich controlling how society has changed and the problems with consumerism are things I’ve been noticing ever since I started working
@M W lmao we don’t live in the jungle
"We" did not choose consumerism. I know I didn't. Everything I own is worth nothing.
I'm forced to continue working myself into an early grave because of landlords and banks, not consumerism. I want for nothing but freedom from work for work's sake.
Also, the inclusion of Big Rock Candy Mountain.. my anthem, man.
Yep - studies done on early “humanity” showed that they didn’t have a word for work. Activities such as hunting, gathering, and cooking weren’t seen as differently to play and enjoyment. We’ve been forced into a society of forced, excessive work that we have no choice but to participate in.
@@drago5141 and most of it so entirely pointless..
sounds like you are just bad with money. check out dave ramsey and free yourself from banks and landlords...
@@davecummins4605 Nah, you've actually got to have enough money up and above basic expenses to be bad with money. Landlords take most of that, so, I don't even get the chance ;) They get to be bad with my money instead - which might explain why they need so much of it.
I already know what Ramsey's advice would be - "get a better job."
@@gwils7879 Ramsey would say that from the comfort of his million dollar mansion. But why focus on a stagnent minimum wage, rises costs of housing, government initiated inflation and gas prices, when you can just say 'get a better job', as if the person never thought of that before, lol.
I’m planning to quit my 100k/year job for better mental health. This video inspired me to create a video about the great resignation. It took me about 6 months to create this on top of my full-time job, setting aside at least 4x of 1 hr workout per week, cooking healthy foods that take hours to prepare, rejecting so many night outs just to spend more time pursuing my passion while having so many people discourage me from creating meaningful videos online like this channel.
As you can tell, personal development isn’t a joke because there are so many sacrifices to be made, which are often uncomfortable but knowing that there are also so many like-minded individuals who have passion for becoming a better version of themselves each day and who are willing to show support makes me more motivated to keep pursuing my passion for creativity and intense desire to provide as much value as I could.
When I was a kid, all I wanted was to have a career that pays well so I can buy whatever I want but now that I’m grown up and went through tons of setbacks from losing tons of people in my life, getting lost in the world with full of life traps, being ridiculed for pursuing my dreams, having so many people tell me that I’m merely wasting my time creating a meaningful content online, and so on, I can say that long-lasting happiness can’t be bought or earned because it comes from within us.
Why should people work more than 5-6 hours a day, 4 days a week including paid lunch in 2022?!
25 hours of works should be enough
No one is forcing you to work more than 25 hours a week
Don't work at all bro make a shack outta dumpster torn up tire for a pillow and a newspaper for a blanket you got this
@@bonerthebarbarian7872 or, or, take Jeff bezos money and redistribute it
Yeah your right! In UK England we work 7 hours per day with an hour lunch so it's 6 hours 4 week holiday and 9 months maternity leave not included sick time. But Americana are waking up like us Europeans
@@willywonka6252 did you miss the entire message of the video and all the information provided? Due to wages being kept artificially low, people are forced to work. People don’t have any room to breath financially because low pay checks are being entirely eaten up by high rent and bills. This essentially forces people to be trapped in employment because they don’t have any saved income to invest in starting their own business or invest in themselves to find better employment.
And still employers keep shouting:" no one wants to work anymore!"
Following the news interview of Doreen the AntiWork Reddit mod - you can now make a follow up to this video titled:
“Inside the fall of the Anti-Work Movement”
😂😂😂
When they see their glorious leader is a 30-year-old dog walker they may reconsider their life choices.
Well-done analysis of the workplace & the challenges that both employers and employees face. Companies should change the way workloads are assigned to workforces and their out-dated, old-fashionned management...You cannot keep increasing the revenue/growth without aggrandizing the workforce and treating them in a human approach. Organizations that have well forecasted plans do not lead their workforces to burnout. But, greed has poisoned the businesses: more productivity, less employees. The pursuit of efficiency without mercy...We all know the consequences (the Great Resignation) and what goes around, comes around.
I think we have all been lied to and conditioned to work hard and to put in the extra time in order to get promoted. However, when we do all the extra work and we stay late and we pick up weekend shifts… It never gets us promoted.
Its so interesting to see hustle culture crowd go against the anti work crowd. To me the whole anti work thing seems like a very peaceful rebellion of sorts. The only thing I don't understand is the employment rate has gone down drastically which either means the anti work folks are winning out or it was more a matter of circumstance with the pandemic. Regardless I hope for better working conditions because some jobs just aren't worth the pay.
Working hard in the field but then enjoying the fruits of your labor is fulfilling and makes you happier. But when you work hard in the field and cannot afford to enjoy the fruits of your labor, it makes you unhappy and frustrated
Its more than that: Many just dont care for the 'fruits of labor'.
You generalize people too much, Rabea.
Well put video, you hit the nail on the head the great resignation has done wonders to the labour market
Well , with artificial economics , work as we understand it , becomes pointless . World currency is not backed by anything real , and tangible . It has value only because the governments say it does . Even taxation is pointless , and is only used as a form of control .
Precisely why they don't tax the rich, they don't control the rich, the rich CONTROL THE GOVERNMENTS.
Thanks for the video, really cleared up some things. Before I just couldn`t comprehend, how antiwork movement can benefit anyone, as when nobody is working then we wouldn`t simply survive. Now this video helped in that field. Thanks again for the video.
I won't necessarily say that the gap between productivity increases and wages is the ONLY reason that people are resigning, it's toxic work culture. You can work a menial job that pays minimum wage and still feel satisfaction, but when you're working that job with a manager constantly breathing down your neck, micromanaging you, setting the PR department to put out positive slogans whilst treating the staff in the most nasty way possible, the job feels like Hell. Plus, there has been a growth in KAREN activity (KAREN being an acronym; "knows nothing", "antagonistic", "rude", "entitled", and "narcissistic"), especially over the pandemic, and some employers will not only do nothing about it, they will sometimes do worse than nothing, as in giving in despite the demands being against policy, allowing their staff to be on the receiving end of violence and punishing them for being assaulted verbally or physically. That's one of the reasons a lot of people walked away, they were tired of being paid minimum wage to put up with people who weren't worth it.
Anyone else here cause the subreddits currently down?
If so hello fellow antiworkers!!
If you don't want to produce, that fine, just expect to consume accordingly. Because if you plan not to produce, don't look to me to donate to you. Please view the reservoir dogs "tipping" scene. Learn to code or be happy having far less. 😊
Union power is necessary for this any of this to change. The rich will not willingly give up profits.
I traveled and worked as a nurse for 3 years. I am back working 2 days a week at my old hospital. They are extremely short staffed and they work you to death. You rarely get a lunch break in a 12 hour shift. The techs are lazy and don't help. I am doing everyone's job such as putting in orders for doctors, emptying trash, cleaning, doing everything for my patients, clean everything after a delivery (baby). It is endless and they keep piling on patients. Ready to go back to traveling in California where the have laws to breaks and ratios.
Amen
People are saying enough with the ideas of not being able to spend time with friends and family. Hussle Culture is encouraged rather than not doing it.
Enjoyable work is priceless .
For so long I didn't have a job because I was homeless and trying to make my photography passion into a source of income and people thought I was crazy/lazy. Now some of those same people are quitting their jobs. 😆🤣
9:00 Bruh... I was literally looking at clips from O Brother Where Art Thou an hour before finding this video
Isn't it obvious that during the pandemic people either found a better use of their time like doing chores or found a better job? That's why some sectors like food service struggled to find people willing to work. Like even before the pandemic, everybody was in the office during working hours even though sometimes they don't have any work to do. It's because the working hours are there for the employees' retention. And the employers' worst fear happened when during the pandemic that tool for retention was suddenly lifted and it turns out that it was really a good tool for retention, because suddenly people were either staying at home or finding better work.
Very well assembled argument. But you did leave out one key player. You defined "consumerism" as government policies promoting more production and consumption. BUT, the consumer has agency too. We - that is, all or most people - insist on having more "stuff", which costs more money, which requires more work. Everyone has lots of excuses for why we must have more cars, larger cars, more appliances, bigger houses, more toys than people a mere 50 years ago. Those lines on the charts, diverging in the 70's: I say we all bear responsibility. Anyone who wants to work less needs to be be happy with fewer things.
With extreme inflation, no one but the wealthy can afford all those extras. Most can barely afford a roof over their heads and food.
the top 1% / elites do not play fair. about to 1099 and hopefully make it work until I die.
The reason that workers do not have leverage is because of overpopulation and immigration.
When the world is constantly pumping out human life that cannot be sustained, it is easy to exploit that life for business gains with a globalized economy. Outsourcing labor to 3rd world countries means that workers in the developed world have to compete in wages with the person who accepts being paid barely enough money to buy a pair of shoes because they have no other options to survive.
I am not saying others should follow, but I've made the decision to not have children since I do not want them to grow up being exploited by the private businesses of the world. I am able to support myself and that is enough for me. I do not need to bring another life into this world when I cannot guarantee that they will have the advantages and privileges which the wealthy provide for their children so that they can rule as the slave masters of their generation.
Interview moment
You deliver excellent content to your audience. It's very interesting material. All of your effort put into creating this video is much appreciated. I'm truly grateful for your help!
To the guys here after the disastrous interview: This is what happens if you let trains and losers like the mod into your movement. Any left leaning movement that doesn't purge the lumpenproletariat from its ranks, or at least the leadership, ends up like this.
yeah bro the problem with the left is that it's too accepting and doesn't infight enough
Keeping losers, degenerates, scum from your movement is not infighting. Its an important part of its success. Otherwise they either ruin it , or use it for their own goals.
Left wing, right wing are BOTH part of the very SAME corrupt, greedy, power hungry bird, all governments are the same, eat the little guy on behalf of the rich and split the spoils between them. Their divide and conquer has to stop.
This is one of the channels that gave me the courage to start my RUclips channel 5 months ago about self development. Now I have 335 subs and almost > 100 hours of watch time. I know it’s not comparable with others but I’m still proud I started because I’ve been learning so many lessons that I couldn’t have learned without getting started in the 1st place.
“Why do we still work to much? “
Uhh GREED
Awesome video, looks like so much time and effort was put in it. Thank you :)
The great resignation has finally given some power to employees to decide what exactly they want rather doing shit job for shit wage.
I work in transportation and spend 60-70% of my work week sat in my truck, watching videos and listening to audio books whilst I'm being loaded or unloaded by other people not doing much either..... tomorrow I'll work 12 hours, and be driving actually doing my job for about 4 of those top end.
Great video, Is the Intro a template? Photoshop/After effects, really liked the effect!
Thank you, glad you like it! All original graphics created in After Effects. -Asher
Great video. Well explained!
This was such a well done video and it’s insane I found this after the crazy fox interview with Doreen and thus the privating of r/antiwork. Here’s to hoping that this comment will push this video out and more people see this better interview! Cheers!
This future will come to pass sometime in the future. Society has become self aware thst their time and energy can be more productive elsewhere then 90% of the jobs out there. It has already proven that the jobs nobody wants to do can be automated - examples such as fast food, cleaning & road services, hospitality, medical and distribution centers. Where we can all become technicians and "work from home" to do the replenishments and technical/remote side of working these jobs without ever having to leave your home.
Nobody wants to get out of bed and be forced a 5 day a week schedule and have to trudge the unpaid commute times to do it. Why do you think many people in other countries besides USA, Canada or the UK are so much more youthful, sexy, have more energy, happiness and creativity then we do? Because they are not forced on such a high stress inflated society where everything costs an arm or a leg to survive paycheck to paycheck to afford bills and healthcare. Our way of thinking is inevitably going to change because these managers and owners will lose their power eventually onces the masses realize enough is enough and that we as human being have more to give then be a slave to the clock.
But are they quiting work or just changing jobs?
In the UK, everyone it seems is suddenly on strike for better pay. Why? The graph showing the crossover point with the devaluation of the minimum wage by inflation, resulting in the minimum wage (hours & pay, not just pay per hour by the way) just happens to be at the point when the strikes first kicked off, when life in work became effectively unaffordable.
Yet the poor demanding better wages just to simply exist is driving inflation according to the MSM narrative? When the same MSM narrative says that it's high wages that drives inflation? What?
Where are all the high wages at that are driving inflation with the latter argument, if no-one seems to be getting them in the first place? Gee now, let me think...
...while also looking at the graph where executive pay, shareholder dividends and company profits are at an all time high during a cost of living crisis. Hmmm...
Employers have had their way for far too damn long. Workers are constantly reminded of how they are replaceable, less people are having kids, let alone buying houses or even cars, so there’s no reason to put up with this bs.
Work sucks! Especially corporate work. Most of it is sitting around all day hoping for something meaningful to do instead of torturous meetings.
I can't wait to retire and anybody desiring to work until they are almost dead is crazy! You have one life to live people and it ain't supposed to be about working all day and night! 😶
Personally, I think consumerism (as mentioned) is one of the primary factors contributing to this problem. People are trying to have the latest phones, the coolest cars, the fashionable clothes, the biggest houses, and watch all the streaming content.
Ironically, work may be a huge factor that cures this. That is, if people had hobbies that helped them feel purposeful, such as gardening, tinkering with cars, woodworking, etc., their purpose would no longer be tied to consumerism, but to developing a skill they love instead.
People also need healthy relationships as well.
Capitalism is not the real villain here; the end result of capitalism is always to reduce the cost of goods and services towards zero. Telephones are the perfect example of this; I'm old enough to remember when people thought they were getting an amazing deal if they were only paying 75 cents per minute to call long distance two states away during night/weekend off hours so they could keep in touch with family. Now you can video call someone literally on the other side of the planet for virtually nothing. A lot of that is due to deregulation of the phone industry and the antitrust suit in which Congress broke up AT&T in the 70s and 80s. Competition drives innovation.
One of the problems we face is government regulation that drives up the cost of goods and services. I know that the cost of housing is driven up sharply in some areas because some municipalities won't allow starter homes to be built. They require that a house have X amount of minimum square footage, or that it have an attached garage, etc. In other areas, states sharply restrict new developments and subdivisions, which limits the available housing in a given market (California is terrible about this). Requiring that construction workers be union members also drives up the cost of new housing.
Government corruption also drives up the cost of housing.
While some regulation is necessary (environmental and health protections), a lot of regulation is simply NIMBYs and overly restrictive city planners. Other regulation also raises the cost to enter a business market, favoring big box stores and megacorps over the little guy.
By keeping regulation to a necessary minimum, more businesses would open, and the costs of goods and services would decrease. More people would be able to work 20 or 30 hours per week. Telework would continue to rise. Quality of life would improve. More people would have a better work-life balance.
Great video, it was really laid out very well and explained a lot in a little time. And of course having Doreen was the highlight!! Go antiwork!!!
Thanks Stacy!
This did not age well.
Why does no one talk about the fact that the available working force pretty much doubled since women started being pushed into careers and its effects on salaries?
Why is it called antiwork? Should mention it be betterwork? Workers need to be treated better but no work is stupid
I think that vaccine mandates are a huge unspoken reason for the great resignation. It definitely contributed to my resignation. The red line for me was that the workplace became dominated by woke politics, a hive mind each chamber and the outright censorship of anyone or any facts or perspectives that were against the Grand Narrative.
Very interesting! Thank you
Wow can't believe your video has onlt 780 likes, this is fantastic!
I wonder if a lot of people are living in their parents’ basement. If you can reduce your living expenses you can be much pickier about your job.
People need better deals and better treatment.
Best Supplement for this video here: The Past and Future of Work by 'Some More News'
I think Quiet Quitting that we see on the rise now a few months forward, is a manifestation of the idling.. People have more power over employers to just do the job without the extra miles.. this is further exacerbated by the wages not growing appropriately to incentivize extra work. Although the transition from the hustle culture still has some barriers, like fears of unemployment and its resulting instability, among others, but since the balance of employment openings is tilting to the favor of workers, that awareness will drive further changes that you mentioned: reduction in hours / week etc.
I still think it's funny how people consider capitalism to be the problem of this. When capitalism is also the solution. Capitalism allows each individual freedom for self-gain. So if their self gain is not worth it as employment they can find out what else they can do. This is what we're seeing in the great resignation people are tired of being treated like crap. As that pay Gap structure showed it just shows that they're not giving back like they once used to which is why the top .01% pay grew while the others remain stagnant. While capitalism does allow for greed it allows correction as well thanks to us having the choice.
Unfortunate timing of this video given what's recently happened on that sub. That sub was a dumpster fire before everything. Now that I've seen that mod talk on Fox I completely understand why.
There's 2 good days on a job. The day you get it and the day you quit it.
Annnnnnnd it's gone.
We had several folks leave, we are doing just fine, we realized they just went to meetings and sent emails to each other most of the day.
I love being in the military cuz my schedule is awesome (depending where you’re stationed). M-Th 7am-1pm 3 day weekend. My buddy is at a station in the Florida keys 2 days on 2 days off rotating weekends.
That's...not work, jus indoctrinating you when it all hits the fan.
I'm glad you enjoy your job and have great hours. However the military is a sham. You are not protecting our freedom, you are fighting for the rich to steal resources from other countries.
@@1031ent idk man, I don’t think the coast guard is gonna do that. We’re definitely out there saving people from hurricanes/storms at sea and stopping drugs from coming in. I think that’s a pretty good cause 🤷🏽♂️
@@shoxx48 idk bro, it’s work to me, I’ve helped save people during hurricane Harvey and I’ve had friends rescue refugees off the Florida keys coming from Haiti. I’d classify that as work. And when the shtf I think it’s y’all going first, not the military 😅
@@MooMoo69556 I agreed with you right up until the drugs part. But I apologize you are doing some good work out there.
I think that we should also think about making the working environment better for students. They do not only do 8-6 (not 9-5) but they also need to manage extracurricular activities outside of school, which can be exhausting for them. Students can also be productive by working less and with a flexible schedule, while they are still following rules for work correctly (handling assignments before deadlines).
Youngsters need to work regular jobs that are paying better these days (given the times we're in), get together with each other, pull their money they save, and live off grid, much better than trying to live and keep up with what the BEAST SYSTEM dictates they MUST do to be "successful". I see SUCCESS as not being tortured within a system that cares NOTHING about the every day person, it just devours and is soul crushing, if THAT is success, then I don't think we stand a chance as a species, since STRESS is a for sure killer.
so good, especially the final music play.
What's interesting to me. That split in worker productivity and income happened around the time we started computerising the office. I remember my father saying if he found a way to get a computer to lighten his workload the boss simply gave him more. I believe that investers ultimately shape the work force. Which tend to be an older generation. Never before has there been a fundamental mindset difference between generations. Digital is powerful. And often it's short sprints of creative work that has a greater effectiveness than the long slug. When engineering calculations where done by hand, long hours = productivity. 15min of coding today can do the work of a whole office of engineers 70 years ago. So the value of work isn't about time anymore, rather the output. Maybe we need to pay on this rather than the time.
my take is just take care of your employees. if you gotta rockstar employee that goes above and beyond, give them the raise and promotion. stop with the favoritism and expecting all for nothing!