The Truth About Quiet Quitting | Simon Sinek
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Too many corporations want an Apple level of work from the employee but only provide a Walmart level of compensation.
If I where you then I would choose the apple one then.
@@michaels3708 but would you want to be payed like Walmart employee?
Having conversations with your boss, like you do with your partner, requires you to have trust in him/her. Which is the single best reason, why these conversations don‘t happen in real life.
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1st blame the TV shows and the movie industry for portraying company bosses as Evil people. not only that evil people, they portray them as someone who do nothing yet making huge money. 😂😂 instead of telling what their job is and how riskier their job are.
2nd because of the what I said above. young people doesn't want to talk honestly and is afraid to open up. unless your boss is as young like at his mid 30. you do not need to worry about them misunderstanding you for opening up. coz old people knew the stage of adulthood. they knew if you are just being rebellious coz you are at that age range.
3rd social media makes young people think everything is about "themselves". and this one here is the biggest problem of all.
if you work on a company. you are working to make the company grow. this is not about yourself. if you wanted to make it about you. you go build your own company yourself.
4th young people today don't have plans ahead of them. they are short sighted. if you ask them their plan 10 yrs after working in this company. most of them will answer "meh".
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in China people knew working on a factory is just a temporary experience for them. those who have no plan at all stays there working for more than 15yrs. people who have goal in life and knew what they are doing will end up resigning in 5yrs but while maintaining a good relationship with their boss
they will build their own repair shop in shenzhen. and use their connection with their previews boss and become their parts distributor.
and their previews boss will also introduce his friend to him to expand his network of supply chain
and this is how Chinese people work ethics. they grow together.
unlike in America. everybody think everyone in the room are enemies LOOOOL
I do it 1st interview. I don't need trust when I am telling you exactly what I am going to do and comfortable with
Doesn't matter how friendly your boss seems, never trust them. Trust is a vulnerability they will exploit.
Its not quiet quiting, its just doing your job.
I did exactly what Simon suggested to get ahead. I sat down and asked what I need to do to get to the next level. We developed a plan and the manager backed out after I completed the plan successfully. That was a few years before I turned 60. One month before I turned 60, I was let go because of “budget”. That same day they let 3 of us go, all around 60 years old and gay. 2 months later all the VP’s were given significant raises and promotions. Since then, I am now 64, I was not able to find a job. That company destroyed my retirement plans, destroyed my confidence and self esteem after working there for 10 years.
Sorry to hear. Many of us have similar stories which brought us all to videos on this topic. Some get ahead, and some don't. I laugh at the confidence being displayed by the "chosen ones" who lucked out. Their mental states would be completely different had they not been "chosen".
What do you like to do? What have you always wanted to do? Create your next opportunity.
@@productioninquiry8937
Great question. I ask my colleagues the same question when they tell me that they are unhappy with their current job.
Just go on social security and work part time. Eff the employers.
First, the manager who asked for your plan (which you delivered on) may have intended to uphold his part of the bargain but found he was not allowed to by HIS manager, when the time came. Those things happen.
Second, the VPs got raises probably BECAUSE they cut costs, not merely AFTER cutting costs. (YOU = costs.)
I don’t call it quitting… turning up and doing your job is not quitting.
Quitting your job is quitting.
Yeah, when I first heard of quiet quitting I assumed it meant leaving on your last day without saying goodbye to anyone 😂
_THAT'S_ quiet quitting. You Quit, Quietly
Totally agree, most people don't understand what quiet quitting is. Somehow, not working in your free time, off the clock, is now called 'quiet quitting'. Remember 10 years ago when all the tech companies talked about 'work life balance'?
My understanding of quiet quitting - is, quitting being manipulated into working beyond what you get paid for - for some promise of career progress that often never happens!
I disagree with this definition of “quiet quitting”. Competently doing one’s job for the agreed upon hours and no more is not quitting. When I first heard the term “quiet quitting” it was referring to workers who had become fed up with a job and just stopped working and never returned. They did not announce they were quitting. They just left and went on to something else. It was the equivalent of “ghosting” one’s job.
Yes! The definition has drastically changed.
That was how I understood quiet quitting, too. This new definition of quiet quitting implies that one is not allowed to have boundaries in their work. The honesty thing is nice, but in reality, we all have our blind spots which limits our capacity to be truly open and honest. Awareness precedes radical honesty, which sadly many lack 😞
I remember the original definition too. It does seem that some trends are being controlled by media and neutralised. Because imagine if ghosting jobs became a thing.. they'd be in real trouble. So they had to turn it around and make it sound like sticking to your normal contract is a bad thing and there was never anything to it lol
@@2011ekon its how those companies and the media gaslight us into thinking its us. Like no mf'er, its ya'll!
I define it as someone who has given up on doing work that reflects the best of their abilities. I never heard of the definition of someone actually quitting.
Fair Work load + Fair Salary = Long term . Simple as that! Say NO to abusive people...
Define "fair"........ not so simple all of a sudden now is it?
@@darkgardener9577appropriate to market salary rates? workload that's reasonable and can be managed within working hours? I can't believe you'd confuse yourself on what's "FAIR" lol
It's nice if you have the luxury of saying no to a job, but that's not something everyone can necessarily do.
@@eurika297 Well that is considered wildly unfair depending on who you talk to. "market rate" is racist, white nationalist, colonials and capitalist exploitation of worker who deserve a "living wage" (another meaningless term) Just ask a Democrat.
Low/no skill labor is overpaid almost nationwide by that standard. So much so most blue states have stepped in and artificially set the price of low/no skill labor much higher than it's market rate.
What's "reasonable"....that's a subjective term that is wildly different from a 35 y/o business owner and former Navy SEAL vs. a 17 y/o spoiled brat.
Can be managed within working hours? More wildly subjective standard that can mean anything.
If "FAIR" was so easy to define then why can't you do it?
@@darkgardener9577living wage or industry standard, whichever is higher. Simple as.
This is untrue. You can't say companies are honest, and then turn around and say, "it's the lying." The issue is, there are a shit-ton of people in upper management not doing sh*t and incapable of doing anything worthwhile for the company, meanwhile all the real work and responsibilities fall on lower-level employees. We're f*cking tired.
HALLELUJAH that is CORRECT!!!!
@superstacyrenee1
Attrition at Amazon is costing the company $8 billion a year, with workers twice as likely to leave by choice than be fired.
What kind of morons want a 2-year turnover for their employees? Onboarding a new employee requires about 6 months-- to truly understand an organization, its culture, the role, and how broader teams function and intersect. If someone comes in in a highly specialized, or siloed role, it would take at least 3-4 months. This guy talks like he's never had a job.
@@productioninquiry8937 He probably hasn't or he is paid to say these things.
@moxopal5681 Younger generations are not falling for the BS. The workforce/culture will change and these fools don't see it coming.
No, no, just voluntarily over-perform to your employment contract, don't ask for a raise, but ask your manager to 'provide a path' for you to take on more work and responsibility, and THEN... you will have earned a lovely CONVERSATION about whether you get that raise or not (spoiler alert, you won't).
I am in my mid 50's working 37 years...I care about my job...and it's the problem when you are the one who they will add to your plate but not take anything off it to get to the feeling of being overwhelmed sometimes...I don't have the manager position nor do I want it because I want to have a life.. I want to work my 40 hours...on salary not paid for ot...if I do extra is because I choose to, to keep my work current.. I have to set boundaries because I am not on call 24/7 I am not not glued to my cellphone to watch emails...I have coworkers who do and when I am out sick or on vacation...they can handle it because nothing I do at my job is an emergency that I needed to be disturbed. When coworkers are out for any reason I respect their time off and I expect the same! And by the way I am not lazy...I used to be that person working 8-12 hour days...it took a toll on my health...the pandemic changed all that...I had to make me a priority...get my health back...that is why I put in my 8 hours and whatever doesn't get done will be dealt with the next business day....because lets be real...If something happens to me my company will find someone to replace me within 2 weeks...I have seen it done in my own department!
U put more into that comment than ur 8 hours a day and no ot 😜
I agree with you 💯. I also agree with the very last part so much, people are replaced so fast it's mind blowing, especially the one's that truly thought they were indispensable. All I know is, at present, if i had to be replaced, I'd say good luck to the poor fucker taking over from me, they better have their shit together or they are in for a rude awakening. 😂😂😂😂 (Oh, and it's not because I think I'm anything special, no it's because this particular job is relentless, and not exactly what you'd call fulfilling on any level)
@@leaveittothediva I so agree...they don't realize the amount of work I do...never any down time...I am busy everyday...
I've been working 32 hours or less for years because I work to live. Not live to work. If this is possible for you, I highly recommend it. It will open up your live in ways you can't imagine.
I am the same way
If Companies don’t compensate over achievers- and don’t give opportunities to who is hungry- quiet quitting is inevitable
people get opportunities when they're hungry. Not completely related.
@@crypticsailor Not always true. Sometimes trying to go above (within a company) just ends up in locking yourself down into your position. You're seen as indispensable, so there are no new chances to grow your career.
Sometimes if you've got a company that has no opportunities (outside moving to management), then you're left with no "next".
If you're willing to move to a new company then perhaps.. but when health insurance and family are in the mix, jumping job to job isn't always practical. As hungry as I am for success, my kids hunger for food outweighs mine.
@@JackyPup it's actually always true. Some people are lazy and hungry but that's not the same. The inverse is also guaranteed e.g. if you are not hungry you will get none -- unless born with a silver spoon up in @.
@@JackyPup if you have the right mindset you don't define yourself in the company alone. You will be valuable and find a way to present that. Looking at a company for a handout to define your whole life is the issue if you're stuck in a job. Switch to a job with a relevant valuable profession or get exp and go to another one when they don't value yours.
I don't really care about any of my employers because they have never really cared about me. Anyone who thinks different is in cloud la la land
Boo boo. Stop crying.
Losers talk and Aholes
@@yonchrrdon't sound like crying. Just accepting the world of work for what it is. I do what I'm paid to do.
Want more? Pay more.
@@tarasrakya8414 go above and beyond and u get paid more.
@@yonchrrfuck that , never volunteer!
I can only speak for the UK, where I live. There is an expectation that, for minimum pay and no job security, with no possibility of progression of any kind, you are expected to go the extra mile.
If you want people to stay with your company, you come up with pay above everybody else, you come up with a good working environment, and you come up with a method by which a person can progress within the company. It really isn't rocket science.
If your priority is regarding your employees as nothing more than liabilities, and you make no effort to reward them because you think that having a job is reward enough,, don't be surprised that your staff can't be bothered, and that you have a massive turnover of staff.
It comes down to mindset. I never did a great job for any employer, I always did a great job for myself. The work ethic was for my own standards. The people who show up and just do the bare minimum or only excel for a reward are the people who never truly succeed in life.
They are do busy waiting for compensation.
Amen. My days of putting as much effort in as if it was my own business are over.
Summary: incentivize your employees to go the extra mile
@@paulpetersen-iu1hehat attitude works perfectly when you’re paying yourself. Otherwise, if you’re not being taken advantage of for your work ethic, much less rewarded for your efforts in a meaningful way, consider yourself lucky
@@mactireliath2356 this is also true. My uncle was lazy in being a chef at a restaurant. My uncle was no longer lazy when he had his own restaurant lol. He worked so hard
If I interviewed for a job and was honest enough to say I only want to do 40 hrs and nothing more, I doubt that I would get the job. Employees are ready to have that conversation but I don’t believe that employers are ready.
This sounds like my boss fishing for excuses to fire me, or even better convince me to quit so they dont have to deal with severance
My boss is doing the same thing to me 😂 she wants me to quit so bad because im not kissing her ass all day long and tell her shes perfect !
Meanwhile her other ass-kissing employee is exploited 😅
Corporations (most if not all) expect you to work beyond a 40 hour work week plus weekends. The problem is that they don't want to compensate you (probably why most companies pay salary instead of hourly), they just want to squeeze as much as they can out of you for very little money or benefits. This is why people started quiet quitting. It's about doing the job you are paid to do and no more. Why does anyone want to work 60 hours a week and get paid for 40?
Sinek is just a paid cheerleader for corporations.
Say you didn’t watch the clip without saying you didn’t watch the clip.
Where are you getting this information? Most of it is wrong. Some of what you say is wrong because it is out of date, by a decade or more.
Yes corporations want to maximize the output from employees. They want this through efficiency and reduced waste, not extra hours.
The business world has known, since the 1930s, that productivity goes down when the work hours go up without some sort of break or stimulant. All corporations, in the western world, have policies about overtime and penalties for unapproved overtime. The real facts are that the average worker has a considerable amount of wasted time. Productivity usually follows a bell curve. It starts low and quickly increases at the start then around the 4-5 hour mark it starts dropping. If a break is taken it will repeat the bell curve for another 4-5 hours. There is still inefficiency due to the employee and due to the logistics of the work itself. Corporations want employees to take a breaks and have a stimulant like coffee and/or a smoke. Overtime abuse is part of what any HR department watches as well as higher management. Managers get into trouble when they have too much overtime. They really get into trouble if it is uncompensated as there are severe penalties from local, state, and federal regulatory bodies. An example would be a Labor Dept. audit where 10 employees are interviewed. The results are then extrapolated across the entire labor force. So if 3 out of 10 are found to have had unpaid time, they take 30% of the entire company and the average salary associated then go back 2-5 years. The potential for loss far exceeds any gain.
Salaried employee time abuse is probably what you are thinking of. This is the real are of abuse. But since 1990 the Federal and some state Labor Laws have been reducing what jobs qualify for salaried. Many salaried job roles became hourly in the last three decades. So this still has a lot of potential for abuse but is hugely reduced and some businesses have only management qualify as salaried. Simply put, the majority of workers are hourly. It was around 70% hourly the last time I looked into it several years ago. The contract work is negligible. Although this might have changed since the pandemic.
Work breaks are more likely to be neglected in physical labor jobs unless the job is classified as high risk/ high danger. This would be your loading dock workers, delivery workers, etc. So this is an area I would look into for abuse. Unfortunately, some are semi self employed, like Uber style jobs. This is an area I cannot speak about with any authority but I know it is a new style of work environment and labor laws will eventually catch up. But it seems that it is more self employed style with self imposed work hours.
The problem that is new is that the percentage of workers that do not put in decent work, never mind hard work, is increasing. There has always been a set of the workforce that have poor work ethics. But it is growing in the last twenty years. Any management course will teach that this needs to be addressed immediately so good workers don't feel like they are not acknowledged for the hard work. The problem is the increased percentage is too much to deal with.
What you didn't bother to listen to is that workplace expectations might need to change. But it is a slow transition. If employer and employee treat work like a casual affair then this might balance the tables. I personally don't think this is tenable because work is almost always a group dynamic. I wrote enough already so I wont go into group dynamics vs personal expectations.
I believe you are missing the point of learning how to multitask and work hard. You should never do those things for anyone else. You should be doing them for yourself. Never have. I done a good job for anyone else but for my own standards. If you don't learn how to hustle when you make no money, you're not going to be able to hustle and make real money.
@@patchup where did I get the information? From my own experience and that of my colleagues, friends, and family. I didn’t just randomly make it up. You can spout off productivity data but I’ve lived it. It wasn’t just one corporation I was referring to, but many. At some point, having to work after normal business hours, there will be burnout, where your normal productivity and motivation suffer.
@@paulpetersen-iu1he I believe you’re missing the point of corporations taking advantage of employees. Multitasking is not good for productivity, maybe you’re not up on the new data.
The rest of what you’re saying is word salad. You get paid to do a job, it’s an exchange of time for money.
Why is working more hours always considered to be the way to achieve more in the US? As someone from the EU, I'm very passionate about my job and definitely want to improve and gain skills, but I will never work more than 40 hours a week! At my job, we're allowed to only work 6 hours effectively and go home after that to have a life. How can you work effectively and passionately when making 40+ hours? And why should you if you don't get paid for it? And when do you do the laundry?
I've had jobs over the years, some places were mediocre, and some truly awful experiences. However in all I've given 100%. What I've cone to realize is that quiet quitting is probably a good choice, especially on minimum wage, simply because if the company gets into difficulties you will be let go, just like the person sitting beside you that does fuck all, day in day out. So really what's the point, giving 100%. Just something to think about. There are no medals either way.....
I'm a convert to quiet quitting. Not because it's 'fair' to only work as hard as the least hard-working person. Because you'll literally wear yourself out... wear out your joints, drive yourself crazy... if you physically and mentally push yourself beyond what's expected. What I didn't know until later, was there is no recognition for hard work. It's mainly about the 'buddy factor', the 'secret handshake'.
Precisely, I’m not quite quitting. But am still quitting. The only thing that the boss will say to my future jobs is that I can be trusted. Not being a hard worker, not calling in ever, show up early leave late. Or how productive my work is. I get compliments from strangers lol. Knowing that the companies around me see me and are interested in me… so good to know ppl other jobs are in waiting for me hehe
You hit the nail on the head. It's all situation based. If you have a dead end job, quiet quitting makes sense. If you are smart and educated, it doesn't make sense. It's better to job hop, every 3 to 4 years and keep improving skills. If you are on minimum, if doesn't matter if you job hop or not, you are replaceable. If you are on high wages, the best thing to do is, job hope every 3 years, it looks good on your cv as well
This is true, I work a low wage job and work pretty hard. There are people who probably can do half as much as me in an hour but they get paid the same. It bugs me sometimes, but I just can't work slow. Working quickly is the only way I know how to work. I compensate for it a little bit though by taking long bathroom breaks, never staying late or never clocking in early
It's so much fun to see Americans talk about “quiet quitting”.
In Europe you are paid a X amount of money to do a Y amount of work, and that's it. After 8 hours, we are gone. It's called having a life.
If you pay a taxi driver $12 to drive you from point A to point B, and he does just that, is that considered “quiet quitting” in the US ? Do Americans expect a taxi ride to go beyond point B ?
If a painter paints your house for a sum, is that considered “quiet quitting” ? Do Americans also expect him to mow the lawn and clean the pool ?
So why would a corporation expect an employee to do more, without more pay ?
Firstly, as far as long term relationships go anyway, poly amorous relationships never work-whether you communicate well or not.
Secondly, I don't see being able to be honest with employers because they can just tell you to pack up your stuff because the job is easily done by someone else-especially if you are over 50. Too many employers take advantage of hard workers just because they can.
"I wanna be paid fairly..."
Yeah that's the problem. When capital and executives take exponentially more and more of the pie we're long past the point where anyone is being paid fairly.
Now it is: 'The company exists so the shareholders can earn a profit'. Everything else will be squeezed.
Fair pay is based on *your* work, not someone else's. Sorry, but that doesn't factor into what you should be paid. Envy is a poisonous emotion.
@@Fredjoe5 What are you going on about? Executives and shareholders are not concerned with what's fair. They're just acting on greed. Envy has nothing to do with anything.
I find that every workplace expects you to go the extra mile for free. They give you all the buzzwords like "we're a family" "we're working towards something great" etc.etc. This works to get you in the door, but i've yet to find a positive workplace culture where you are treated like anything more than a workhorse.
The problem, is senior management. They lack understanding/training and combined with alot of workplace cultures of overworking staff, this generates such a toxic workplace and leaves a revolving door of staff, and further stress for staff that remain who are expected to pick up the strain from poor management.
This is what has generated the "quiet quitting" culture imo. Employee's lose their loyalties to their colleagues/Employer from repeated miss management and stress to the point where they are just turning up for the paycheck. If Employer's do not want this to happen, they need to engage with their staff on a personal level and make them feel like they are more than just a bum on a seat and give them sufficient rewards and recognition when employee's go the extra mile.
The red flag is "we're a family". No one at work is your family, nor do you want them to be. It's just more BS tactics by corporations to get you to want to come to work for little pay and benefits.
This works in a fairy tail world where everyone is honest and the main objective of companies is to do better and create value in our society. In the real world, 95% of companies want to squeeze workers for mere profit, they would vote tomorrow to make wages as low as possible if they could (spoiler, the already do with lobbies). And workers, knowing this fact, seek to balance the power in the relationship with things like quiet quitting, cause they perceive they are just cuttle that can be replaced once they have given every last drop.
All this has to do with inequality and distribution of power and wealth in our society. None would wanna be a simple worker, but if you are born poor you have to. If you are born rich, you can jump that and be an employer. I'm not complaining about it, it will always be like that, it is human nature. It is just a fact.
A relative of mine died of a heart attack due to stress while working in his office. He talked about leaving his job months before it happened. A year earlier his boss died of a heart attack in the same office. My sister in law is a manager of a famous multinational. She makes a lot of money but is always working even on vacations. She has no life. Is not worth it.
Jesus …. I thought where you were going with this was gonna be “my sister in law died of a heart attack when she visited that office” 😮
Companies don't want employees to 'stay there forever.' Of the many companies I've worked at, there were two companies, where I worked at each of them for nearly 8 years--and frequently received 'exceeds' on reviews. In both situations, when layoffs came around, I was let go; they kept the people who they had just hired 1-2 years earlier. They were far less experienced, but they were also less expensive.
in academia they want mature staff to leave so they can be replaced with younger academics on much lower salaries
My boss paid my salary late anywhere from 1 - 7 weeks late, this happened for about 8 months, every month. I never got told why or when I would receive my pay. My boss wouldnt respond to my texts or answer calls, no communication what so ever. Management wouldnt have answers either. Management and staff also stole from me regularly without me knowing until I caught on later. Informed the boss and nothing was done. I loved my job but eventually had to quit now. This period has mentally drained and ruined me. Makes no sense how people can take advantage of their workers at this level, and even be surprised and shocked once they leave.
And then blame the worker for not being a “hard driving owner”!!! Disgusting tbh.
That would had to me exactly ONCE. Then I’m out.
@@KJ99otis I wanted to quit many times, but its not easy leaving. Eventually I just couldnt take it anymore. Having to deal with such awful people daily is draining.
I don't think people just wake up 1 day and for no reason say "I'm only doing what my job requires". I think in most cases people start out doing what is asked and more just because it's helpful, or they're just nice, or because they want to make a good name for themselves at the company. It isn't until after they've gone above and beyond and found out it wasn't considered when they applied for a promotion, got in trouble, asked for a raise, requested basic respect or equal treatment, ect, that they have a problem with the "go above and beyond" notion. I think more times than not it's a reaction, not an initial thought.
Company owners should not expect each employee to work as hard as the owner does. The owner’s stakes and salary are higher than the employee’s stakes and salary. The positions are entirely different and so are the salaries. If the employee is expected to work longer hours and the owner is not paying for extra work, do the math, the employee works longer for less. This is an unreasonable expectation. Hence the term “salary theft”. Quiet quitting is a response to unreasonable expectations.
Exactly.
There’s a big problem that these corporations make up 90% of the job market so for most people not taking those jobs means homelessness and starvation. Just because we can choose our owners doesn’t mean we aren’t still enslaved
Wasn't our technological advancement supposed to allow us to work less and focus on creative and emotional development? Why are we working more?
I love how he's leaving out that wages have stagnated, layoffs became normal in 2008-2012 and will again if the market crashes. He leaves out the fact that most corporate culture has been a lie and that the most profitable product most companies have right now is your labor. If people are regularly underpaid why would they do more for free? Expecting to get ahead like that is similar to expecting a wolf not to eat you because you're vegan. It just doesn't make sense
I think Sinek is a manipulative shill for status quo elitism. He feigns care for the underprivileged while subversively placing all responsibility on them for their position. He wraps it up in a caring tone and a whole lot of distracting patter.
Certain positions are worth utilising for upward mobility. You have to recognise a job that has opportunity. Otherwise it's a frought effort and maybe time to move on. Unless of course it's simply providing what a person needs at that time.
I think he's a jerk and an apologist for poor management and the current state of class and generational division.
Excellently put. Thank you. I was feeling increasingly irritated listening to his repetitive drivvel and you just summed up why.
@@Sarah-nw7xlsame
I bet this guy is a really slippery middle manager to work with
Finally someone who sees through his Bullsh!t.
Completely agree with you
Random toughts:
- Employers just want free work, no one care about you.
- i am not my job
- quiet quitting is just "doing the job i am paid for"
- Employer-senpai will never notice you, slave-chan
I'm currently an entrepreneur and have been since 2015 full time. When I worked in corporate America, I would have been considered a quiet quitter. I had no desire to climb the ranks because I always knew I'd never get paid enough to live the life I wanted. So I guess I would have been considered a quiet quitter. 🤷🏿♀️
Most corporate leaders have no idea what individuals do.
10:30 - I tried that a few times and it only led to frustration. The problem is you might be relying 100% on another person to develop your career and they can easily create excuses down the road. I felt more comfortable managing my career as a business. You need to create options for yourself and should not rely on a single source to keep growing. You should go into a negotiation with the option of saying or deciding "thank you so much, but I have other options that fit me better at this point". However this requires decent financial planning to give you this freedom.
Beautifully said
I’ve always been slightly underwhelmed by Sinek. This excerpt is no exception.
I’m sure if the two of you met, the feeling would be mutual!😊
@@paulwarren8832you’re basing this off one RUclips comment? Nice
@@Drenwickification a journey of 1000 miles starts with but one step…
@@paulwarren8832the floor is made of floor.
Namaste.
@@paulwarren8832not that big a step, though.
Fulfilling the duties of your job for the agreed upon time per day, days per week, and the specified amount is NOT Quiet Quitting. Thats called honoring an agreement.
The flip side of expecting an employee to go above and beyond what they applied for, is for an employer to randomly give paid days off and unexpected monetary bonuses.
Hmmm, unsure .....it's less about honesty for me than it is about value, and people being entitled to be paid for the work that they do.
Plus, working to your job description is not 'quitting' in any way shape or form. Quitting is stopping.
This concept is coming to work and doing the job you are paid for in your contract.
Honesty does have a role sure, but not like how he's describing.
The honesty is ' yeah we will expect you to do so much more for what we're paying you and we'll judge you if you don't'. Rather than 'our culture is a go getter careerist environment where we drive our workers to burnout, but as we tell you outright it's fine'.
There's honesty then there's actually caring about and respecting your employees. Caring and treating them like human beings is just as important as honesty. And in my experience very few employers actually give a shit about their employees. When you're treated like a replaceable commodity you will feel demotivated. We are wired for connection and work environments are no different. In fact I've read a number of times it can feel like a family role so can be really stressful/ depressing etc if you are treated with no care or concern. And his examples also sound like he doesn't really care but, you know, as long as you're honest that's fine. Sure.
Sooo agreee that companies are not honest.
Not only that I’ve found it almost impossible to get a proper job description, they always want the option of having you carrying someone else’s workload.
I am doing this currently. The people who bought the company I have been with for 16 years do not want feedback or opinions, they want facilitators.
It has been challenging to not want to "save" time or money while they implement procedures we have obviously tried over the years, but it has taught me the value of letting go.
So for this reason I am appreciative of the experience.
I tried this with my last job in the trades (honestly as far as I'll do everything required of the position to the best of my abilities, but do not want to level up to a leadership role... Just want to be a worker bee) and it didn't last. I was hired and almost felt respected for my honesty. "The world needs B players" they said. But eventually, as time went on, they basically forgot the original deal (as if the conversation never happened) and basically just tried to push me into a leadership role saying that if you don't want to level up and be an "A player", you're done here. They didn't think I'd quit. And now they've lost a really good worker (that made them money- which is the point I believe) and I've lost a source of income. Companies can never seem to be content and feel the need to squeeze every drop of energy from you- it's NEVER enough. Sorry for the rant. So yea - never worth explaining yourself or your motivations because they don't care. You're just another body to throw into the grinder to keep the machine fed. 🔥
ooofffttttt i feel this so deeply, have been in a very similar position myself. Something has got to give, I want work to slot into my life and not the other way around. There is growing awareness around these issues, hopefully they iron themselves out soon.
I've been in trades since 1990ish.
Journey persons have become defacto formans. Even an apprentice I know personally, is expected to lead newer apprentices "while we are short of journeymen".
So if Journey persons are now formans, what does that do to quality of instructions and mentoring the apprentices get?
@@patgenier1965 The quality definitely wasn't there in my field (fire alarm). It was the blind leading the blind in an already grey field. Still can't believe this is the way things are done. Customers are paying top dollar for a bunch of clowns (in my case) that just don't really know what they're doing because training never was a main concern. I've literally spent more time learning to drudge through all of our stupid apps (basically tracking metrics) than learning how to do the actual work we're being paid for. Amazing.
The problem is people can’t afford to live off working 40-50 or even 60hrs a week, so if you can’t afford to live even with all the overtime you might as well just work 40
Why do corporations say that we , the workers "are here firstly to serve our customers and shareholders" -- actually, no, we are here firstly to earn a goddamned living so we can buy food, have shelter, and pay the bills -- the "doing good work for our customers" comes as a byproduct of that . Absolutely no honesty in this matter by almost all corporations.
I'm older. I started working a "real job" when I was in college in the 1980s. Back in dark ages of the mid-1980s we described quiet quitting as DOING YOUR JOB! You see, back then, we had a thing called LABOR LAWS that prevented the employer abuse that is now rampant. We weren't EXPECTED to work unpaid. it wasn't even on the table.
I do not know about orher people but to me is always about living life in harmony with yourself because only then you are real and authentic .
This is not about ambition is just that not everyone needs to jump on
a banji to know that he is alive .
I think that every person has a vocation in his ( or her ) life and
it is worth to live in accordance
with this vocation .
I've never seen a job description which has a disclaimer: in two years you have a high risk of burn out or mental breakdown.
All I see is equality, fairness, safety and inclusivity.
“I work to make a living. I don’t live to work” should be on my resume. Sure. I’d get 0 calls 😂 📲😢
1:05 The problem is almost EVERY company pulls this shit because they know you are incredibly easy to replace. If they could outsource you, they do it in a heart beat. The importance of the job doesn't really matter in upper managements eyes. I saw that first hand when I literally got a guy on an AED and restarted his heart and kept him alive until paramedics got there to take over.
The result? A "Good job." from the GM and the standard .50 raise we get every fucking year.
Interesting how every time I've had a conversation where my boss and I are on the same side working towards checking off objectives to get that higher salary, I'm axed partway through. Every time I've had the conversation with them that's "I have an offer at another company that's very attractive. I need at least $X to consider staying." I get my X. I hate that I have to be that confrontational to be heard, no matter where I go.
I am now combining "quiet quitting" and "doing multiple jobs"
Several years ago, the company didn't increase my pay even after great results and long hours..
So, the next year I did the "quiet quitting" only do the minimum 8 hours... that year, my pay stayed the same, but my "hourly wage" increased thanks to decreasing working hours..
After that, I tried to cut the hours to 7 hours and use extra 1 hour to do side hustles... the pay from main job stayed the same,, and overall income increased thanks to the side hustles..
The following year, repeat the same formula, main job 6 hours, extra 2 hours for side hustle,, even higher income... and miraculously got raise for the main job
It's not that simple. When corporate culture robs you of your agency within your job role and then says you are not a team player because you don't play by their rules you just silently quit because they just won't listen to you. You can't take my agency away and then accuse me of not being a team player. Being a team player requires agency ...
This entire conversation is missing others things NOT work that are equally important. Like your children and spending time with them. This is a life changing event for most people. I'm sure most employers wouldn't want to hear any employee say they will prioritize their children over work. Or another way to say so it fits this conversation is: raising children is a job or your marriage is a job.
So true as a teacher and someone who doesn’t have any kids I see how detrimental it is when people dont treat their family as a priority. I see lots of affluent kids with parents that don’t spend quality time with them because of their work demands. The impact is massive, it takes a lot of time and energy to raise a kid money and material goods cannot replace it. We need to value child rearing as a job and something that needs allocated time in society. We now live in a world where both caretakers work full time and are too tired to raise the kids.
"it's all about the expectations". It's not, it's the standard condition. They all want workers to slave their life away for their gains and if we don't agree, these employers will look for others who will.
I have conversations with my boss all the time. It took a while to trust that she wasn’t like ever other boss I’ve had. But she’s absolutely an amazing person, and I strive hard as a lead to make sure the job goes smoothly, and I try to come up with ways to make things less stressful on her, even if it is just a little bit.
If she ever left, I’m pretty sure I wouldn’t care as much, but good management does exist, and I’m fortunate to have one of the best.
Sorry to dampen your enthusiasm but your boss has simply understood you very well and gets the most out of you.
Would be cool to have a system like a level 1-5 and you start always at 1 and teams could be rated to need like 16 points, so you can either progress upward and "qualify" level 2 if you want or not if you don't, then your workload grows, expectations become introduced (like being available after hours occasionally) and your pay is raised. That way a team can have the amount of coverage it's rated for and people can choose the amount of intensity they want to take on (without changing job descriptions).
I really like the sentiment here and agree with the messge of having a conversation about how to get from A to B. BUT from experience(s) either management aren't able to answer what it is you need to do to get to B, artificial HR ceilings appear curtailing salary growth, or there just isn't the will up high to commit to the plan. The result is often managers feel powerless to really do anything when an employee says they want to develop (assuming they care). So I think it sounds nice, but I that the potential here is overstated.
Once I realized moving up at my job meant me having to deal with more BS and have more stress I stopped caring. Who wants their job to slowly take over their life? Not me. I took a step down actually. I’m making a little less now than before but I no longer wake up in the middle of the night stressed or angry about work. I have more time at home and with my wife’s income we pay the bills and have a good amount left over.
There is an art to being honest about your boundaries without coming across as entitled, or triggering to the other person. Everyone feels they deserve everything, and culturally, we don't set the standard that there is honest communication. I hope that changes within my lifetime.
Simon sounds great on RUclips, but most bosses don’t like to be held accountable for a promise they made 2-4 quarters back. I tried his method, worked out my deal with my boss. 1 year later, the boss reneged with “I never said that”. Bosses are like croquets. They want to “imply” that they’ll promote you/give raises so they can squirm out later when you deliver. The only agreements that mean anything to a boss have to be imminent. Most bosses I’ve met have never heard of Simon Sinek
Is doing your contracted hours for your contracted salary quiet quitting? Don't think it is. Getting older I understand time is the most valuable thing I have - I can't get it back once gone. To give my time over for nothing in return, there has to be a good reason, and "because that's what we expect" is not good enough. You may have an affinity with the people around you at work, but to the company you're just a resource and they'll drop you in tough times,
I think the point is here is someone tells me that they're working 2 full time jobs and I have another candidate whereby this would be their only gig no matter the honesty I'm always going to pick the latter. So yes you can be honest, but that will never do you any good
When people are not promoted or given raises based on their hard work, and growing in their skills, “quiet quitting” is inevitable.
SS. "Lets have a conversation, but I will set the parameters for what is acceptable." Great if you are the boss.
Let's recognise a power imbalance here, with employers wanting to continue exploiting the workers. This type of negotiation is a take-it-or-leave-it situation; eventually, the employer will run out of willing workers.
In life there are choosers and beggars. I choose my boss (as much as he chooses me).
I work hard because it’s who I am not because of the employer. I’m always trying to raise my standards and will never do the minimum
Any owner or management who thinks you should be as dedicated as they are, are not known to me to be willing to compensate appropriately. Your business ownership and financial success are your dream. Don't expect others to have the same dream.
And when an employer pulls the " we're family " how do they always end up being the parent? It will always be on the back of the employee who has a good work ethic to carry the no loads. The worst thing that ever happened to me was to become known as " The go to guy". Being told what a great employee I am has never paid a bill.
I’m a mom now so I do just want to do a 9-5 but I love my work, so I want to achieve and learn but in my work hours, so I can also give my kids love and time.
If you assume managers believe that their employees want what they want. Why don't managers offer the things they want? In general, I find companies will try as hard as they can to continue to pay you the same rate that they have since they hired you, try hard to keep you in the same role so that they don't need to train a new you and do not offer significant equity. Consistently, everywhere I have worked I'm told I'm one of the most valuable employees, uncover and close significant revenue opportunities and work hard but at review and raise time "meets expectations, here's a raise at or below inflation". Don't be loyal. Change jobs. Make your own opportunities.
If an organisation contracts you to work 40 hours a week on a salary and expects you to work more. They think you are a mug and you are behaving like one if you do.
Does the company turn around and pay you 40% more at the end of the month for no reason??
Go back to the guy that invented the term. He says that it is doing the job, no more no less. The reason they call it 'quiet quitting' is because you no longer volunteer for 'extra'. Extra hours, extra duties, volunteer outside representing the company. It's not about working less than the job description, it's about NOT volunteering to do MORE than the job description. Of course, now job descriptions have become far more detailed and include way more duties than are normal and add on "and any other duties requested by management" to get around this. I have changed jobs 3 times in the last 4 years after a 15 year dedication to a job. They sold the company and the new employers did not know us or care about us as workers... it was only about making money. So all of the new jobs, I have read numerous times the 'job description' and 'expectations' of each one. I still go on Indeed and look at the ads to see how ridiculous they have become. I work in Healthcare. I do MRI. But nowadays its far more than that! We are now expected to know all about scheduling, and insurance, and time management, and dealing with racism and bullies and the list is damn near infinite.
In my experience those who do a lot of work for a company, eg, service partners and contractors, are poorly rewarded financially and not looked after making them feel underappreciated. How and why do corporations get this crucial balance so wrong, creating an upturned pyramid.
I thought "quiet quitting" was quitting without making a fuss, turns out it's just working at a normal pace.
I don't mind the idea of people doing what they are paid for. I just don't like the term "quiet quitting". I feel like I would not fire one of my employees if they only did what they are paid for. As an executive director, who started as the receptionist, I did my share of over working and allowing myself to burn out. I don't want that for my girls. I do expect loyalty in the sense that I create a good work environment, and also that I try to be flexible with them, in lieu of being able to offer more money. By loyalty, I mean just doing your job the best you can. I've had staff using work hours to do their side hustle. That's not ok in my book. That's like me expecting them to do work for free on the weekends! We are a non profit, so I don't have a lot of power when it comes to raises. But I make up for it by trying to accommodate their needs in other ways.
I agree to an extent. But ultimately, a worker should never have to ask for a raise to match inflation or industry standard wages. Above that? Sure, have the conversation. But by failing to properly compensate in the first place, you're communicating that you don't care to keep that worker in the first place. It's very simple to look up the industry standard salary. All it takes is 5-10 minutes of googling a year before raises are handed out to ensure you are being competitive. If that's too much for you then clearly that person had no future there to begin with because you're not a competitive company and your product quality will fall with the falling salaries. Better to jump to a competitor and deprive your company of the experience they weren't willing to pay for.
A key point is learning how to structure your questions like they aren't problems to be solved. (Negotiation)
Imagine this scenario as an employER:
Employee says "I need $1 pay increase, or I quit"
Instead they say:
"I've reviewed the revenue of x and know that I'm earning the business $2, I'd like to keep $1"
this guy set up the things like everything is black or white. this dude has an extraordinary oratory skills but i need more than that
In regards to quiet quttting, that is just some catchy phrase that people are interpreting as they like. Either you do you job or you don't. I am a base salary employee and sometimes, I may have a slow day and then work shows up near the end of the day so I might work on it a little longer past the clock because I did nothing all day. I might show up later and work later. I might show up earlier and leave earlier. I just keep it fair.
Now in regards to working for a company and getting ahead, I would encourage you to put in SOME effort, but not all. You should be working on yourself, your finances, your personal development. I have taken many courses, certificates, etc. after work or on weekends. When things looked crappy at work, I REALLY quit. I had experience and training outside the environment. This worked in my favor and I still do it today 20 years later. I also work on my investment portfolio, tax planning, passive income and retirement planning.
If you're using the "quiet quitting" as a way to "get even" for having to work the rest of your life or to "get even" for your lack of foresight by your chosen profession, your lack of education or effort, it will be a dead end street.
i really like my job and they promote and pay for further education, but I still have my own agenda, my own timeline and my own goals outside work. There are people who will coach you through the process. You're better off to get a coach than join a pity party revolution.
Fantastic video and very relevant to my current situation. The only problem is: if you really need that job, the long-term prospects are less important. Saying what you want, acknowledging that the company is not a good fit, and moving on is financial suicide if there are no other prospects on the horizon.
Some people put in a shift and some people do enough that is contractually acceptable. I used to go above and beyond in my early days and when I was a temp but I slowly realised that it was all for naught. I start at my time and I finish at my time. No more overtime, working weekends and stressing over emails and phone calls. The corporate demands loyalty and commitment but quite ruthlessly end your employment when they want to restructure.
the types of conversations this guy is proposing are great for kicking the can down the road perpetually.
You cannot have honest conversations with your boss because they will treat you differently afterwards because they have all the power. Hence the 'quiet' word in the phrase of quietly quitting. If we knew we could change the culture or management style, we would say something, and because we know we can't... we say nothing and fade into the background.
Where I live, out of my salary, I have to pay around 37% taxes. That's just gone from the get go.
From what remains, I have to waste around 42% to fixed expenses, the most egregious of which is rent (pure waste).
That leaves me with around 26% of my original salary to spend on myself. VAT on things like food and stuff range from 9-21% here, so let's say I have roughly 20% of my original salary to spend for what I want.
Then why would I bother being productive for more than 20% of my time? Let's be generous and say that 15% of the 37% taxes I pay over my salary is stuff I actually directly benefit from, thne why would I spend more than 35% of my time being productive?
Long story short: working has long since stopped mattering, because the cost of living is increasingly exceeding the value of people's work and the old 'carrots on a stick' like an own roof over your head are just out of reach for the vast majority of people. Why bother running a race that you've been set up to lose?
I switched from quiet quitting to working down. I have a very broad skill set and only use what parts of that skill set match the wage I make. I am capable of way more but the pay does not warrant the use of higher skills. So I work down to the wage I am given. Everyone is self employed. EVERYONE!
He's a genius! It is about expectation. People expect to make a living wage, and not need 5 more jobs to msngr end meet. People expect a little loyalty, but get treated with none, even when they've worked hard for years, they are laid off at the first sign of change.
The expectations are not unreasonable.
1:00 I totally relate to this after working 6 years for American Express. I'd never do it again, but I gave the 110% and it's now paying off.
If your perspective is informed by excellent work places like a corporate HQ of the best companies in the world, then quiet quitting doesn’t make a lick of sense. If you’re being forced to work sixty at an Amazon warehouse and aren’t allowed enough time to pee (a very real thing). Don’t quiet quit. Leave and sue them.
If you work at a mediocre company, it’s not quiet quitting, it’s self association driven. You’ll make yourself match the overall quality of the institution. That’s just going with the flow despite what managers think.
What do you do when a company places more & more responsibilities on your plate (additional projects/tasks to manage) and your employer doesn't pay you more? What is the incentive to DO more without any guarantee or discussion prior to taking on these new responsibilities to work harder, if there hasn't been any discussion about being paid more?
I wonder which CEO would allow their business to work on contracts earning 40hours revenue but requiring 60hours company effort…. Then why would any employee be expected to offer the same?
As stated. Bosses aren't approaching work style as a conversation. Therefore it's hard for employees to approach pay flas a conversation when there's never been a conversation. As stated employees are leaving saying they weren't appreciated or paid sufficiently, when the employer would have paid them more if they just asked. Which indicates employees aren't quiet quitting any more than employers are quiet employing. If the employer would have paid the employee more I'd "they just asked" I'm sure the employee would work hard if the employer had "just asked".
Every company needs a chunk of people who want to do what they are paid for and go home, and leave the few people who want to drive forward with their career to do so. No business has room to prgress everyone.
The problem is when the ones who make less effort feel hard done with some sense of entitlement when someone that does make that effort is progressing. Most people at work sitting with a chip on their shoulder are these types who do the minimum, but feel like they are due something back because they have been there for years.
If you do the minimum then great, but don't expect to be in the higher % when promotions and wage rises are given out
It isn't just about expectations, it is about delivering on expectations. Too many companies make promises and don't live up to them. "Unlimited snacks! " and you walk in to find the one snack is popcorn.
For the majority of people work is about making enough money, If 90% or more paid what Amazon paid , I'm sure fewer people would quit, because fewer people would take the job.
The reason this is a job and not a career is the horrible work conditions. That's your honesty.
What Simon is talking about - the honesty and openness in terms of ambitions and overall approach to career - is a very common thing in IT in Europe. I’ve seen it myself in many organisations. Some people have just the “doing my job” attitude, working 8h a day and not a minute longer, while others are always online, replying emails during weekends etc. And it works, with (usually) not many issues and mutual blaming for a wrong way of doing things.
What definitely helps is the job market in IT - salaries are high, plenty of job opportunities, all that creates a rather healthy environment.
Those people replying to emails at the weekend are working for free.
Do you work for free, because I certainly do not.
I have also known a few of these people who are always online and working all hours..
They are dead now.
Being a workaholic, no matter how much you enjoy it, is nothing to be encouraged.
It's a risk either way. Trying to deal with your superiors as honest actors can get you ahead, or it can get you thrown under the bus or manipulated. It's tricky, and there's no right answer.
Thank you, Simon🦋
People are tired of being treated like shit for no pay or conditions. Wonder how much Simon is being paid by these companies to blame youth and workers for wanting better
Yeah, he is a corporate shill.
Quiet Quitting? Doing the hours or as you say minimum hours that i'm CONTRACTED for and doing the work that i'm CONTRACTED for, isn't quitting but infact it's doing your job. It's also called not working extra for free and having a personal life away from work.
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