RIP Jerry Lieber. Our world is so much better with your words in our ears. (sorry the grown ups in the 50s didn't realize you were artists. Everyone knows it now.)
Lieber and Stoller were making HUGE hits between the early Elvis era and the Beatles ,writing all the Coasters material and a lot of Drifters songs. After the Beatles came out they formed their own label and had hits also. Their greatest hit making period was between 57 and 65. Rock and Roll never turned into a passing fad, styles just changed.
Thanks for the episode ! Jerry Leiber and Mike Stoller proved to have been huge pivotal geniuses in the rock@roll history! Along with Lennon/McCartney composing duo Jerry and Mike were the greatest ! Jailhouse rock and dozens of huge hits composed and written for many many artists throughout 1950's and 1960's. Just google them folks. They guys made the history !!!
Imperishable songwriters whose name lives on. Of the panel only Vincent Price is still remembered. So much for the patronising attitude of the others..
show aired March 9, 1958 - I read Leiber and Stoller's "Hound Dog" book. They were writing R&B in the early 50s long before R&R. I found that part very informative.
@roots66 when the rescue boat arrived , one of the first things Leiber informed him was that Hound Dog a was # 1 record, Stoller asked if it was the Big Mama Thornton version and Leiber told him, "No, some guy named Elvis Presley"
Well, it lasted 50-60 years or so but it's definitely dead now, unfortunately. Are there even any rock radio stations left that aren't fueled by nostalgia?
I spotted an error a few years back in the lyrics provided for Jailhouse Rock for the show "All Shook Up". I alerted the publishing company, who I was told, checked with Lieber and Stoller who verified the lyric was wrong and had been since the show was produced on Broadway. I was thanked and assured all the lyric books would be replaced. We also received a discount for our next musical.
It's great seeing the guys look so young! Jerry looked every fragile in a documentary about them made a year or so back. AND, like other posters, it's a disgrace that the panel didn't know them.
"Perhaps go on and do more SERIOUS THINGS??" How about writing songs that not only defined a generation, but whose songs also sold about a 100 gazillion records & were the basis of hit Broadway play called 'Smokey Joe's Cafe" that ran for over 2,000 performances? Yes, the panelists & JCD missed the mark on this one really badly.
More 20/20 hindsight !! And, quite naturally, you would've hit the Rock n Roll mark in 1956, considering that in 1950, YOU PREDICTED that the Dodgers would finally win a World Series in 1955, and the non-existent Mets would win one when men walked on the moon.
Only Stoller had been seen once briefly in an Elvis film to that point. In the physical sense, they were unknowns and could have been dress designers or sewer workers for all that panel knew. They could have bought and sold probably everyone in that theater to that point, Kilgallen's remark about ''For money" aside.
Beside Hound Dog, Jailhouse Rock and Don't, Leiber and Stoller wrote: Stand By Me On Broadway Kansas City Yakety Yak Charlie Brown King Creole Along Came Jones Poison Ivy There Goes My Baby Dance With Me Love Potion Number 9 I'm A Woman The Reverend Mr. Black I (Who Have Nothing) Is That All There Is? Jerry Leiber also co-wrote "Spanish Harlem" with Phil Spector. Yet they are told by this erudite panel that rock and roll is "just a fad" and maybe some day they'll write some "serious music". I don't remember another time when the entire panel, including the moderator, came across as such dolts.
Good upload. Watching WHATS MY LINE in chronological order paints a good picture of America in the 50s and early 60s from the point of view of that generation. R&R was admitted as popular but never taken as culturally significant.
keep in mind that the panelists parents would have thought Benny Goodman and jazz was a passing fad. I understood much more when my father told me that his parents didnt want him listening to Goodman because it was a bad influence.
The Gilbert and Sullivan of early rock and roll. Kilgallen is only remembered now as a footnote, the "chinless wonder" (Frank Sinatra) and a possible murder victim.
It's hard to believe that as late as "Don't," the panelists, and even Daly, had trouble accepting the music. But then Rock was still relatively young and mostly audited by a young audience. Bet none of them remotely imagined that its leading avatar would end up on a US postage stamp!
I shouldn't be surprised,and I remember these folks, but I can't believe how dismissive they are of the music. "I hope that you have the chance to enjoy it and then go on and perhaps do more serious things in music." As soon as they found out it was Rock and Roll, they became quite hostile.
It's hard to believe, from the perspective of 2011, that they were ever 'unknowns'. But WML would have been more likely to have had Irving Berlin as a mystery challenger back then. Not that Mr. Berlin would have participated in a game show...
Now, the pendulum has swung to the other side you can't hear anything besides rock, pop, Cr-rap, hip-hop to the banishment of classical and instrumental. It all comes in trends and fads..
@Marckymarc71 That was how it was thought of, then, by the "older" generation, as just a "passing fad" that won't last very long, and so on. Even The Beatles were quoted as saying that they didn't expect their music to be popular for more than just a few years. Well, guess everyone was wrong.
Different realm of show business. And at that time Leiber and Stoller's work was far more well known than they were. Otherwise they couldn't have gone on "What's My Line" and expect to be unrecognised.
There first hit was Hound Dog... but NOT with Elvis. It came out in 1952 sung by Big Mama Thornton and it is classic blues, thoroughly black American music in every way. Elvis version is slicker and not as good but HUGELY more profitable.
better catch up on your rock and roll history between 59 and the Beatles. There was a lot more great stuff coming out like Lieber and Stoller's work. Phil Spectors work Surf instrumentals, I could go on and on.. Passing fad? DOUBTFUL The Beatles just resurected it and became one of the greatest bands of all time. It wasn't all "Bobby's" before the Beatles.
First Elvis really made hound dog sucessful and not these guys at all. Its hilarious to hear the annocer say rock is a fad and the duo can do serious music in the future. however said with a smile one suspects a important envy and fear that rock is overturning music. They are right and take that.
She didnt like anything. She hated Country music too- and told New Yorkers to leave town because "the hillbilles were coming". Luckily Patsy Cline put "The wicked witch from the East" back in her place! The grand ol opry actually had talent, which she did not. She was just jealous.
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RIP Jerry Lieber. Our world is so much better with your words in our ears. (sorry the grown ups in the 50s didn't realize you were artists. Everyone knows it now.)
Lieber and Stoller were making HUGE hits between the early Elvis era and the Beatles ,writing all the Coasters material and a lot of Drifters songs. After the Beatles came out they formed their own label and had hits also. Their greatest hit making period was between 57 and 65. Rock and Roll never turned into a passing fad, styles just changed.
Thanks for the episode !
Jerry Leiber and Mike Stoller proved to have been huge pivotal geniuses in the rock@roll history!
Along with Lennon/McCartney composing duo Jerry and Mike were the greatest !
Jailhouse rock and dozens of huge hits composed and written for many many artists throughout 1950's and 1960's.
Just google them folks.
They guys made the history !!!
Imperishable songwriters whose name lives on. Of the panel only Vincent Price is still remembered. So much for the patronising attitude of the others..
I seem to recall reading somewhere once that Leiber or Stoller (I forget which) was a survivor of the sinking of the Andrea Doria.
wmlfan9 - Mike Stoller was...
RIP Jerry Lieber. Our world is so much better with your words in our ears.
show aired March 9, 1958 - I read Leiber and Stoller's "Hound Dog" book. They were writing R&B in the early 50s long before R&R. I found that part very informative.
RIP Jerry Leiber. you gave much to the music world and so much to black music along with your partner Mike Stoller.
@roots66 when the rescue boat arrived , one of the first things Leiber informed him was that Hound Dog a was # 1 record, Stoller asked if it was the Big Mama Thornton version and Leiber told him, "No, some guy named Elvis Presley"
These 2 guys help create rock and roll
I love how John describes Rock and Roll as a [passing] fad. LOL
Well, it lasted 50-60 years or so but it's definitely dead now, unfortunately. Are there even any rock radio stations left that aren't fueled by nostalgia?
I spotted an error a few years back in the lyrics provided for Jailhouse Rock for the show "All Shook Up". I alerted the publishing company, who I was told, checked with Lieber and Stoller who verified the lyric was wrong and had been since the show was produced on Broadway. I was thanked and assured all the lyric books would be replaced. We also received a discount for our next musical.
It's great seeing the guys look so young!
Jerry looked every fragile in a documentary about them made a year or so back.
AND, like other posters, it's a disgrace that the panel didn't know them.
Jerry Leiber was one of the great pop lyricists of our times. May he rest in peace.
"Perhaps go on and do more SERIOUS THINGS??" How about writing songs that not only defined a generation, but whose songs also sold about a 100 gazillion records & were the basis of hit Broadway play called 'Smokey Joe's Cafe" that ran for over 2,000 performances? Yes, the panelists & JCD missed the mark on this one really badly.
More 20/20 hindsight !! And, quite naturally, you would've hit the Rock n Roll mark in 1956, considering that in 1950, YOU PREDICTED that the Dodgers would finally win a World Series in 1955, and the non-existent Mets would win one when men walked on the moon.
Only Stoller had been seen once briefly in an Elvis film to that point.
In the physical sense, they were unknowns and could have been dress designers or sewer workers for all that panel knew.
They could have bought and sold probably everyone in that theater to that point, Kilgallen's remark about ''For money" aside.
Beside Hound Dog, Jailhouse Rock and Don't, Leiber and Stoller wrote:
Stand By Me
On Broadway
Kansas City
Yakety Yak
Charlie Brown
King Creole
Along Came Jones
Poison Ivy
There Goes My Baby
Dance With Me
Love Potion Number 9
I'm A Woman
The Reverend Mr. Black
I (Who Have Nothing)
Is That All There Is?
Jerry Leiber also co-wrote "Spanish Harlem" with Phil Spector.
Yet they are told by this erudite panel that rock and roll is "just a fad" and maybe some day they'll write some "serious music". I don't remember another time when the entire panel, including the moderator, came across as such dolts.
Bigwave2003: Easy for you to say that in 2016; your hindsight is 20/20 !!!
Thank you soo much for sharing :)
Considering they were guest on the show, I think the panel was rude, especially Dorothy.
Good upload. Watching WHATS MY LINE in chronological order paints a good picture of America in the 50s and early 60s from the point of view of that generation. R&R was admitted as popular but never taken as culturally significant.
everyone except the great Mike and Jerry = SQUARESVILLE!
@Great2C Actually not unusual. Most people who claim to be urbane and sophisticated aren't.
keep in mind that the panelists parents would have thought Benny Goodman and jazz was a passing fad. I understood much more when my father told me that his parents didnt want him listening to Goodman because it was a bad influence.
'pain is a physical sensation'....'you look like the cat that just go the whole saucer full of cream.'
wow this is old school
The Gilbert and Sullivan of early rock and roll. Kilgallen is only remembered now as a footnote, the "chinless wonder" (Frank Sinatra) and a possible murder victim.
It's hard to believe that as late as "Don't," the panelists, and even Daly, had trouble accepting the music. But then Rock was still relatively young and mostly audited by a young audience. Bet none of them remotely imagined that its leading avatar would end up on a US postage stamp!
@bathroommonkey76 I watched the clip. Very interesting. Thanks.
I shouldn't be surprised,and I remember these folks, but I can't believe how dismissive they are of the music. "I hope that you have the chance to enjoy it and then go on and perhaps do more serious things in music." As soon as they found out it was Rock and Roll, they became quite hostile.
Sad...Jerry Leiber and Nick Ashford passing the same day.....two brilliant songwriters.
Interesting that there was no mention of some of their best music which was R&B. Probably too risqué.
@Great2C maybe she was having a bad day and brought her mood into the show.
And you probably knew this but it bears repeating: Leiber was also a trained musician who mostly stuck to lyrics for the good of the writing team.
Yes, it was Stoller, returning from his honeymoon in Europe.
'Is That All There is?' 'Rose Is A Singer' (these 2 Angels were more than writers) BITCHES!
It's hard to believe, from the perspective of 2011, that they were ever 'unknowns'. But WML would have been more likely to have had Irving Berlin as a mystery challenger back then. Not that Mr. Berlin would have participated in a game show...
Now, the pendulum has swung to the other side you can't hear anything besides rock, pop, Cr-rap, hip-hop to the banishment of classical and instrumental. It all comes in trends and fads..
I wrote a song called "Don't," too, "Don't Put Me Through Your Divorce." Who wants it? lol
Jerry Leiber RIP
@Great2C
nah, she's just pulling their leg!
funny to think L&S weren't household names at this time though.
@Marckymarc71
That was how it was thought of, then, by the "older" generation, as just a "passing fad" that won't last very long, and so on. Even The Beatles were quoted as saying that they didn't expect their music to be popular for more than just a few years. Well, guess everyone was wrong.
Great clip and L & S simply proved that rock'n roll is here to stay! The panel sucks!
They wrote for Eternity, really.
'Do you actually inflict pain on people' - someone's been watching too many Vincent Price movies
Of all people especially of one being well aquainted in showbiz, should'nt Vincent Price have at least of heard of Leiber/ Stoller?
Different realm of show business. And at that time Leiber and Stoller's work was far more well known than they were. Otherwise they couldn't have gone on "What's My Line" and expect to be unrecognised.
Obviously, Dorothy knew who they were and should have recused herself.
must it be Elvis?
There first hit was Hound Dog... but NOT with Elvis. It came out in 1952 sung by Big Mama Thornton and it is classic blues, thoroughly black American music in every way. Elvis version is slicker and not as good but HUGELY more profitable.
better catch up on your rock and roll history between 59 and the Beatles. There was a lot more great stuff coming out like Lieber and Stoller's work. Phil Spectors work Surf instrumentals, I could go on and on.. Passing fad? DOUBTFUL The Beatles just resurected it and became one of the greatest bands of all time. It wasn't all "Bobby's" before the Beatles.
What a condescending panel and host.
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Vincent Price asks if they inflict pain... they do look like dentists or accountants.
First Elvis really made hound dog sucessful and not these guys at all. Its hilarious to hear the annocer say rock is a fad and the duo can do serious music in the future. however said with a smile one suspects a important envy and fear that rock is overturning music. They are right and take that.
She didnt like anything. She hated Country music too- and told New Yorkers to leave town because "the hillbilles were coming". Luckily Patsy Cline put "The wicked witch from the East" back in her place! The grand ol opry actually had talent, which she did not. She was just jealous.
Dorothy Killgallon is so , so very very rude especially whenever that anyone that had something to do with rock and roll! Snob!
Could the stuffy panel and moderator be any more condescending to these 2?
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