I have 2018 build Ipace and apart from the dealer breaking a coolant pump during the front loom recall, it has worked perfectly ( fingers crossed). Mostly charge at home on a 16A charger up to 80% unless making a long journey. Done 55K Kms now. Still gorgeous to drive here in NZ. Imported it myself from UK at 2yo.
It’s a great car despite all the negative bull put out about it. I have had my second hand one for a year now, no problems at all and the best value vehicle I ever bought.
Would be very interested in more I-Pace content. Would love one of these to drive, but not to own and maintain. Have been very curious how well they can be repaired and maintained by independents.
If you have a Jaguar under warranty, phone the jaguar roadside assistance, they will send a roadside assistance guy to you, if they say it needs to goto the dealer then they are obliged under the terms of the warranty to supply a loan car, which should be equivalent size vehicle, but may be diesel. This is quicker than trying to get an appointment directly with the garage.
Interesting video. I have an iPace (22 model) and absolutely love it - smooth and comfortable and goes like the wind when you need it to. Since I got it I have had an issue with the Lane Keep Assist - some days it works, most days it doesn't. Not a big issue as I mostly drive on smaller roads where it can be more of a nuisance than a help. I cannot see any logic to it and there are no fault codes (I guess whichever unit is at fault doesn't think it is). Earliest booking I can get with a main dealer is mid-December and I bet that on the day I take it in it will work perfectly. In the mentime I will enjoy driving it the old fashion way with my hands on the wheel.
I have a 21 year. I don't trust the lane keep assist at all. It waits until it's almost on the line then suddenly jerks quite hard to the right. Then as it gets close to the right side line I don't want to risk ploughing into another car so I take over. Surely if it says it sees the lines then it should be able to keep in the middle smoothly
I haven’t had any problems with my used 19 I pace First Edition I bought last year. I absolutely love it. I’m in a dry area of Los Angeles so I wonder if moisture in the UK is a contributing factor that damages the electrical systems. Idk maybe I’m just lucky so far. I will be getting an extended warranty because I plan to keep it for a long time. Jaguar just announced they will be buying back all 2019 I Pace in the US for battery fires but they would have to offer me a lot more than I paid for me to give it up.
There seems to be the idea that that because EVs have far fewer moving parts, there is much less to go wrong. In modern I.C.E.s it is usually the electrics, rather than the engines which give most trouble. Many old 80s and 90s diesels did astonishing mileages, before cars were burdened with complicated electronics.
Actually in modern ICE cars you have multitudes of mechanical issues. Don't forget those 1990's cars were running at 1/3rd the efficiency of EV's as well.
Hi Gary, my 2020 I-Pace stopped charging on type 2 in Nov. It charges fine on CCS. Also I am told the 2 12 vault batteries failed the tests. Is it likely that the DCDC is not managing the main battery and the 2 12v batteries? Also, you mention newer versions of the DCDC, do they work on the 2020 models? Thanks
Hi, yes likely the split charge dcdc unit in between the 2x 12v batteries has failed. I’m not sure if anyone has tried retrofitting the later unit. Cheers
I have a 2020 plate ipace, older model with two batteries. I got some strange messages once about the brake system but the car still drove. I looked online and there was lots of information about this error being related to the 12v batteries. I had these replaced which solved the problem. Thats it in terms of issues with 50k miles, so far. Fingers crossed!!
I got a brake pedal feel reduced fault only once on my 19 First Edition. Never happened again and car drove fine. I once got a traction battery fault detected. Same thing, popped up for only one drive and never happened again. They just announced they will be buying back all 19 I pace for battery fires in the US but I adore the car so they would have to offer quite a lot for me to give it up.
The smaller 12V Battery is brake booster module back up battery. Alot on ipace can be software issue. HV heater was the biggest problem on them at one point along with the 12V batteries.
To be fair it's not just JLR EVs that have long repair times at dealers; its all their cars. Fantastic looking cars and great when they work but that when they work period is so unpredictable due to JLRs awful implimenation of brilliant engineering concepts.
EV power train electronics demand the best SMPS designers possible. As an SMPS designer with 40+ years experience, we all know if one thing goes wrong in design topology or implementation or build quality or component problem or lifetime or odd operating gremlins then you are in deep doo doo. SMPS means Switched Mode Power Supplies. You are switching 400 volts + at hundreds of amps hopefully using the best topology, the best components in a nice cool(ish) environment and with sufficient design time. These designs are never right first time, so pressure to get to market will be intense = not good for you, the customer. Taking the issues into account, it is possible to create a reliable long lasting system. But eventually, certain electronic components will reach end of life which may lead to scrapping of the vehicle. I'd be interested in the projected 'Bathtub Curve' for EV's. It will exist, but they will resist publication. The bathtub curve details infant mortality, base failure rate and end of life for certain operating conditions. It won't include battery explosions as this will be considered an 'Act of God'.
Brillaint comment. I think this is an issue effecting other EV's as the development curve and release cycle is very steep. VW ID3 is another that is this way - it was rushed to market
So what you're saying is most of the time they are not good cars 😅 I'll stick to my 10yr old X351 which has been faultless and gives me 50mpg. It's unbelievable and very sad how Jaguar is been ruined by JLR. I'm puzzled how they are still in business
i have a MY21 like the one in the video: I love it but there have been a fair few issues over the 2.5 years of ownership: leaking rear camera cleaner (hose split, new unit needed), charging flap sensor failed (new charging flap), two faulty HV cells (limited to 72% charge, awaiting dealer to fix it, booked in Jan 2025 (massive backlog)), boot won't close electronically (but will open but beeps on closing, still needs resolving). 50k miles, but quite a lot of issues for a high value premium car to be honest. Love it, but wouldn't buy another...
When you pay for a premium brand vehicle, you assume that some of that premium you pay over other brands buys you some reliability. With so many so-called "premium" brands, that's not the case. Jaguar is just one example. The sort of people that have enough money to buy a Jag don't buy them. You don't get rich by paying for repairs. Instead if you look at what rich people are actually buying, they are buying Lexus, Toyota - reliable brands. brands whose cars only need routine maintenance. Only people that want other people to think they are rich buy premium brands.
Jaguar: Pissed on their heritage, abandoned their customers, wanted to be premium, wanted to be cool and funky, saw their future in luxurious electric vehicles, currently has nothing to sell. 👏👏👏👏👏
@mikeolly67 I am an enthusiast, so it breaks my heart, but IMO Jaguar died a long time ago when they didn't build the CX75, and launched a series of bland SUVs to compete with Range Rovers.
@@mikeolly67 F type definitely is a beautiful car, so are the XKs. CX75 should have sat at the top. They made the same mistake with the XJ220, and announced unachievable specs, in CX75 case a hybrid turbine engine like nobody has seen before or since was in the design. I also liked XE and XF, particularly XF which I think should have been available as a 3 door coupe and convertible from the first model.
It's about to get worse for Jaguar, if that's at all possible! They are reforming their dealerships which means that many will lose their franchise, so even less dealers will be available. It also seems that when their new ranges are launched they will targeting the premium luxury market where the entry level cars will start from £100k.
Problem with these ‘premium’ cars is they’re bought by people who can’t afford the premium upkeep. They then brake and the owner blames the manufacturer!
Hi I mainly help independent garages with EV diagnostics and only do a couple of major projects here and there. Does it need high voltage work or just general repair? Cedar electric specialise in battery repair and cover Tesla. Cheers
I was always put off the I Pace because of the poor efficiency. I hear of so many potential issues with JLR products that I steer clear of them - a pity because they've made such nice cars in the past.
They aren't actually too bad on efficiency. Most drives I get 3 miles per kWh. My car has 20" wheels with 245 width all season tyres may be something to do with it
Of course it has,,,,,,, its part of the JLR stable of expensive 'bit' vehicles........Remember the ingenium engines in their range, & how many are or have failed.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
How did we get to this state? I have had 42 ICE cars in 55 years since my first Moggy Minor when I was 15, keeping a few of them from new for over 12 years and then selling on in good condition, and had 44 year old classics. Now a new EV doesn't last 4 years without being seemingly unrepairable, if it is survives that long without the li battery self destructing and cremating it!
Issue is like with all cars-EV and classic (ICe) not all are equal. Some manufacturers really build unrepairable junk. Of all the cars we sell, it’s not the EV’s giving us issues. It’s always the ICe. However, there’s certain cars you just don’t stock. For me JLR products, particularly LR, Disco, iPace etc are top of the list and have been for many years. EV’s are super reliable on the whole. Give me an EV over an ICe car any day of the week
@@newty8150 And so that is why EV's are flying off the forecourts and Manufacturers are having to close down production for months? 44 ICE cars in 55 years, never had a fire, ( except in the combustion chamber where it is supposed to be). 32 years in the car industry and only very recently ever seen; Fire stations, Police stations, Car dealerships, Bike shops, car parks and houses burned to the ground by single vehicle fires.
When Jaguar goes bust there will be no warranty for these iPaces, and no one will be making the complex spare parts. Even if they survive they’ve said they actually want to lose 85% of their old customers and they’re closing most of their dealerships. You’d need to be very brave to buy a Jaguar now!
@@robsmith1a According to the manual which decodes the VIN, my car was built in India. Have to say there are no squeaks or rattles. It's well screwed together
And yet here you are, troll. I'm delighted with my two EV's, and now have more and more friends, neighbours and customers changing over. One person buys one, the friend / relative / work colleague tries it and next thing you know, they've bought one. Guess what? They then show the next person, and so on. Ultimately EV's make ICE for many (but not all) situations obsolete. Just like CRT TV's, non-smart mobile phones or non-LED light bulbs.
Exactly, time after time people complain about electric vehicles (price, complexity, repairability) when it's not 'electric vehicles' it's 'modern vehicles', EV or not.
I have 2018 build Ipace and apart from the dealer breaking a coolant pump during the front loom recall, it has worked perfectly ( fingers crossed). Mostly charge at home on a 16A charger up to 80% unless making a long journey. Done 55K Kms now. Still gorgeous to drive here in NZ. Imported it myself from UK at 2yo.
maybe I am lucky, but no problems on my21 model, but its the 320, not 400. normal services and nothing else. Lovely car.
It’s a great car despite all the negative bull put out about it. I have had my second hand one for a year now, no problems at all and the best value vehicle I ever bought.
That's hilarious
Would be very interested in more I-Pace content. Would love one of these to drive, but not to own and maintain. Have been very curious how well they can be repaired and maintained by independents.
If you have a Jaguar under warranty, phone the jaguar roadside assistance, they will send a roadside assistance guy to you, if they say it needs to goto the dealer then they are obliged under the terms of the warranty to supply a loan car, which should be equivalent size vehicle, but may be diesel. This is quicker than trying to get an appointment directly with the garage.
My wife a seven year old Lexus RC never missed a beat still covered by Lexus warranty up to ten years stick JLR where the sun don’t shine
Interesting video. I have an iPace (22 model) and absolutely love it - smooth and comfortable and goes like the wind when you need it to. Since I got it I have had an issue with the Lane Keep Assist - some days it works, most days it doesn't. Not a big issue as I mostly drive on smaller roads where it can be more of a nuisance than a help. I cannot see any logic to it and there are no fault codes (I guess whichever unit is at fault doesn't think it is). Earliest booking I can get with a main dealer is mid-December and I bet that on the day I take it in it will work perfectly. In the mentime I will enjoy driving it the old fashion way with my hands on the wheel.
I have a 21 year. I don't trust the lane keep assist at all. It waits until it's almost on the line then suddenly jerks quite hard to the right. Then as it gets close to the right side line I don't want to risk ploughing into another car so I take over. Surely if it says it sees the lines then it should be able to keep in the middle smoothly
I haven’t had any problems with my used 19 I pace First Edition I bought last year. I absolutely love it. I’m in a dry area of Los Angeles so I wonder if moisture in the UK is a contributing factor that damages the electrical systems. Idk maybe I’m just lucky so far. I will be getting an extended warranty because I plan to keep it for a long time. Jaguar just announced they will be buying back all 2019 I Pace in the US for battery fires but they would have to offer me a lot more than I paid for me to give it up.
There seems to be the idea that that because EVs have far fewer moving parts, there is much less to go wrong. In modern I.C.E.s it is usually the electrics, rather than the engines which give most trouble. Many old 80s and 90s diesels did astonishing mileages, before cars were burdened with complicated electronics.
And we see from laptops, cell phones and other gadgets that electronics doesn't age well.
Actually in modern ICE cars you have multitudes of mechanical issues.
Don't forget those 1990's cars were running at 1/3rd the efficiency of EV's as well.
Jag with faults? Standard fitment. Next a video about rain being wet.
🤣
😅
Anything to do with the bonnet being open preventing drive?
Lol no it doesn’t drive even with the bonnet closed…
Its the new Jaaag Bizarre 🚗💥
Four years old, is it getting close to being scrapped?....
Hi Gary, my 2020 I-Pace stopped charging on type 2 in Nov. It charges fine on CCS. Also I am told the 2 12 vault batteries failed the tests. Is it likely that the DCDC is not managing the main battery and the 2 12v batteries? Also, you mention newer versions of the DCDC, do they work on the 2020 models? Thanks
Hi, yes likely the split charge dcdc unit in between the 2x 12v batteries has failed. I’m not sure if anyone has tried retrofitting the later unit. Cheers
I have a 2020 plate ipace, older model with two batteries. I got some strange messages once about the brake system but the car still drove. I looked online and there was lots of information about this error being related to the 12v batteries. I had these replaced which solved the problem. Thats it in terms of issues with 50k miles, so far. Fingers crossed!!
I got a brake pedal feel reduced fault only once on my 19 First Edition. Never happened again and car drove fine. I once got a traction battery fault detected. Same thing, popped up for only one drive and never happened again. They just announced they will be buying back all 19 I pace for battery fires in the US but I adore the car so they would have to offer quite a lot for me to give it up.
The smaller 12V Battery is brake booster module back up battery. Alot on ipace can be software issue. HV heater was the biggest problem on them at one point along with the 12V batteries.
To be fair it's not just JLR EVs that have long repair times at dealers; its all their cars. Fantastic looking cars and great when they work but that when they work period is so unpredictable due to JLRs awful implimenation of brilliant engineering concepts.
EV power train electronics demand the best SMPS designers possible. As an SMPS designer with 40+ years experience, we all know if one thing goes wrong in design topology or implementation or build quality or component problem or lifetime or odd operating gremlins then you are in deep doo doo. SMPS means Switched Mode Power Supplies. You are switching 400 volts + at hundreds of amps hopefully using the best topology, the best components in a nice cool(ish) environment and with sufficient design time. These designs are never right first time, so pressure to get to market will be intense = not good for you, the customer. Taking the issues into account, it is possible to create a reliable long lasting system. But eventually, certain electronic components will reach end of life which may lead to scrapping of the vehicle. I'd be interested in the projected 'Bathtub Curve' for EV's. It will exist, but they will resist publication. The bathtub curve details infant mortality, base failure rate and end of life for certain operating conditions. It won't include battery explosions as this will be considered an 'Act of God'.
Brillaint comment. I think this is an issue effecting other EV's as the development curve and release cycle is very steep. VW ID3 is another that is this way - it was rushed to market
I've had mine for a week. 2021 with 17000 miles. Pray for me
😆
When they're working, these are really good cars.
So what you're saying is most of the time they are not good cars 😅
I'll stick to my 10yr old X351 which has been faultless and gives me 50mpg.
It's unbelievable and very sad how Jaguar is been ruined by JLR.
I'm puzzled how they are still in business
@@NissanEVOwnersUK tw 4t
@@NatNay-cu3uv charming
@@julesviolincurrently have nothing to sell.
@@julesviolincurrently have nothing to sell.
Spotted a fellow Vauxhall Ampera there at the start, would be nice to know what that was in for 😃 So far no real issues with mine 🤞
Not sure I’m afraid !
i have a MY21 like the one in the video: I love it but there have been a fair few issues over the 2.5 years of ownership: leaking rear camera cleaner (hose split, new unit needed), charging flap sensor failed (new charging flap), two faulty HV cells (limited to 72% charge, awaiting dealer to fix it, booked in Jan 2025 (massive backlog)), boot won't close electronically (but will open but beeps on closing, still needs resolving). 50k miles, but quite a lot of issues for a high value premium car to be honest. Love it, but wouldn't buy another...
oh, and the front tyres: yes, google 'chunking tyres' and you will this is standard on the ipace....
When you pay for a premium brand vehicle, you assume that some of that premium you pay over other brands buys you some reliability. With so many so-called "premium" brands, that's not the case. Jaguar is just one example. The sort of people that have enough money to buy a Jag don't buy them. You don't get rich by paying for repairs.
Instead if you look at what rich people are actually buying, they are buying Lexus, Toyota - reliable brands. brands whose cars only need routine maintenance. Only people that want other people to think they are rich buy premium brands.
I think tou have a romantic view of what rich people drive.
I think tou have a romantic view of what rich people drive.
Jaguar: Pissed on their heritage, abandoned their customers, wanted to be premium, wanted to be cool and funky, saw their future in luxurious electric vehicles, currently has nothing to sell.
👏👏👏👏👏
Very true and i doubt they ever will have anything to sell.
@mikeolly67 I am an enthusiast, so it breaks my heart, but IMO Jaguar died a long time ago when they didn't build the CX75, and launched a series of bland SUVs to compete with Range Rovers.
@@mrg-ghx8052 I agree to a point, but the F type was a masterpiece
@@mikeolly67 F type definitely is a beautiful car, so are the XKs. CX75 should have sat at the top. They made the same mistake with the XJ220, and announced unachievable specs, in CX75 case a hybrid turbine engine like nobody has seen before or since was in the design. I also liked XE and XF, particularly XF which I think should have been available as a 3 door coupe and convertible from the first model.
It's about to get worse for Jaguar, if that's at all possible! They are reforming their dealerships which means that many will lose their franchise, so even less dealers will be available. It also seems that when their new ranges are launched they will targeting the premium luxury market where the entry level cars will start from £100k.
Jaguar doesn't need an R & D department... They just let their customers find all the issues for them 😊
Bankruptcy is on the very very very near horizon 😮😢😮😢
Jaguar contracted out the ipace to a contract manufacture. I don't know who did the design, but it was Jaguar's first EV.
@@Tim_Small Probably Magna Steyer.
Problem with these ‘premium’ cars is they’re bought by people who can’t afford the premium upkeep. They then brake and the owner blames the manufacturer!
Premium literally means to pay more than necessary
Where are you bases please.
Do you take on tesla repairs
Hi I mainly help independent garages with EV diagnostics and only do a couple of major projects here and there. Does it need high voltage work or just general repair? Cedar electric specialise in battery repair and cover Tesla. Cheers
To me repairablity is more important than reliability. Are you formulating a list of EVs that will be able to last 20 years or more like my cars have?
There are cars that nobody every calls and asks how to fix - Kia Niro is rare, original Hyundai ioniq I don’t think anyone has ever asked.
I was always put off the I Pace because of the poor efficiency. I hear of so many potential issues with JLR products that I steer clear of them - a pity because they've made such nice cars in the past.
The I-Pace is still amazing to drive though!
They aren't actually too bad on efficiency. Most drives I get 3 miles per kWh. My car has 20" wheels with 245 width all season tyres may be something to do with it
That is normal for sports cars. 400+ hp ice cars dont have the best fuel economy.
Of course it has,,,,,,, its part of the JLR stable of expensive 'bit' vehicles........Remember the ingenium engines in their range, & how many are or have failed.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
3 year old an no warranty ?
Poor Jaguar built quality
Recipe for an expensive disaster! 😂
It has 5 years.
How much would you pay if it said TATA?.
I have a 1999 Ford jaguar.
It's Mondeo money for a 4.0 v8.
Had it 6 years.
Not rusty, not for sale.
My 2024 jaguar has broken down four times onky had a year never ever agajn
Not good
Currently broken down as we speak lol loss of power electrical fault
Aren't Jaguar buying back all the i paces?
Some, not all. Seems to be the ones with major battery faults if you hassle them enough they make an offer.
Strange company built in Austria software is Indian.
Yeah built by under contract by Magna Steyrn or whatever they are called.
@@garycevrepairs Thats the reason I bought one. Not built by Birmingham.
Its nice to have something built by a european company who knows what they are doing.
JLR = British Leyland quality.
Gary, you and I know Britain can’t even build a decent ice car! The concept of an EV is beyond belief 😂😂😂
How did we get to this state? I have had 42 ICE cars in 55 years since my first Moggy Minor when I was 15, keeping a few of them from new for over 12 years and then selling on in good condition, and had 44 year old classics. Now a new EV doesn't last 4 years without being seemingly unrepairable, if it is survives that long without the li battery self destructing and cremating it!
Can't see what the issue is here. Evangelist say EVs are very simple & reliable 😂
Issue is like with all cars-EV and classic (ICe) not all are equal. Some manufacturers really build unrepairable junk.
Of all the cars we sell, it’s not the EV’s giving us issues. It’s always the ICe. However, there’s certain cars you just don’t stock. For me JLR products, particularly LR, Disco, iPace etc are top of the list and have been for many years.
EV’s are super reliable on the whole. Give me an EV over an ICe car any day of the week
@@newty8150 And so that is why EV's are flying off the forecourts and Manufacturers are having to close down production for months? 44 ICE cars in 55 years, never had a fire, ( except in the combustion chamber where it is supposed to be). 32 years in the car industry and only very recently ever seen; Fire stations, Police stations, Car dealerships, Bike shops, car parks and houses burned to the ground by single vehicle fires.
It might be a British/Indian manufacturer but these were made in Austria by Magna Steyr.
When Jaguar goes bust there will be no warranty for these iPaces, and no one will be making the complex spare parts. Even if they survive they’ve said they actually want to lose 85% of their old customers and they’re closing most of their dealerships. You’d need to be very brave to buy a Jaguar now!
The warranty is only 3 years anyway so they rapidly get past that. A friend has one but it’s a company car, the company can take the risk !!
I think you’ll find the battery warranty (which is really needed as that’s the expensive bit!) is more than 3 years 🤣
The battery is covered yes but I’ve seen multiple faults with the ipace outside of the battery. Cheers
Indian build quality 🎉
Built in Austria I believe
@robsmith1a who owns it. ?????
@@robsmith1a According to the manual which decodes the VIN, my car was built in India. Have to say there are no squeaks or rattles. It's well screwed together
All of them are built in austria.
What's worse than a new EV, a second hand EV 😂😂😂
And yet here you are, troll.
I'm delighted with my two EV's, and now have more and more friends, neighbours and customers changing over.
One person buys one, the friend / relative / work colleague tries it and next thing you know, they've bought one.
Guess what? They then show the next person, and so on.
Ultimately EV's make ICE for many (but not all) situations obsolete. Just like CRT TV's, non-smart mobile phones or non-LED light bulbs.
Far to complex. You really dont need this.
Not interested in any of this EV garbage, thank goodness !
And yet here you are! Nothing else to watch?
Computer gadget bs. Give me mechanical, easy to repair every time. I will never buy an EV!
Any vaguely modern car is stuffed full of electronics, doesn’t matter if it’s petrol/diesel/hybrid/EV.
Exactly, time after time people complain about electric vehicles (price, complexity, repairability) when it's not 'electric vehicles' it's 'modern vehicles', EV or not.
Our ipace 2022 died today at 105.000km🫡
Out of warranty due to mileage I guess. Hopefully someone will take on the repair.