Jordan Peterson Explains Free Will, I think? :) - Reaction
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I found his thinking offered very little of use to me. First the terms "free will" need to be defined very explicitly before you can even begin to discuss it's existence. In fact the persuit of such definitions will often offer more insight than charging into an answer.
We all know we are not absolutely free. When, I'm in the upper floors of a building I can leave only by the stairs or and elevator, unless you are a Russian oligarch accelerating at 32 feet/ sec**2 after choosing the window option.
Free will is often front and center when questions of moral responsibilty are discussed. Also it of prime concern to all of us in the persuit of happy and meaningful life. If we are in fact billiard balls bouncing around deterministically we worry that our lives will be devoid of meaning. Our zest for life will extinguish if everything is predtermined. Why bother being good because it is out of our control? But both of these areas are impacted by so many other factors than whether our biological nature is clockwork or not: where you are born and raised, your physical health, access to healthcare, the behavior of other people, poverty, access to education and so on.
Even in neuroscience, when the mechanism of our body comes up:
say stroke victims, psychiatric disorders or dimentia the answers to the questions or moral responsibility and the persuit of happiness are far from clear-cut.
To try to answer this in a few minutes sitting in an arm chair seems presumptuous and somewhat futile.
Religious approaches to the questions are even more muddied coming down on both sides of questions like gay marriage or a woman's right to education or even drive a car in some Muslim countries.
That is why I believe we must presume we are as free as possible and aggree to the rule of law to prevent us from infringing on other people's freedom and prevent others from infringing on our own.
"Do no harm and love others as you would have others love you". This as close as we can come to a universal creed acceptable to all faiths and viewpoints. Everything else is debated by some folks or other. This what the philospher Daniel Dennett called effective free will and Peter Singer call our universal moral responsiblity.
As another great human being once said, " be kind and spread love".❤
Before you started laughing at him, which was the moment I knew my initial visceral feeling about him was correct. While I was not repulsed by the ballistic arm motion (could be a carpenter, or any number of things), but I did quickly get an impression of him, oh, he’s the sort I’ll not tolerate long, quickly move away from (abrasive, aggressive, condescending, asshole). But I was curious too to hear what he might have to say on the topic, though the more I listened, the more I intuited, this is the manner of someone who has a story they want to be true, and now they set out to convince me too.
Doesn’t mean he’s wrong, about deterministic vs free will, but his “logic” pushes me away from him instead of drawing me in … I’ve digressed, haven’t finished, will resume watching now.
Yes, Yes Minister, it was fantastic, so too another british of same era, was broadcast side by side with by BBC, I also loved, Are You Being Served? A coworker friend from India turned me on to both of them.
Personally, I believe there’s so much in the world is in fact deterministic, more so in the physical world than within us, but in us too, but there’s so much also appears random. There’s argument to be considered, chaos theory, mathematics, statistics, suggesting that predictable patterns arise within chaos. This is tied in with “the butterfly effect,” and I think the theory of “the hundredth monkey” (though debunked scientifically according to its original application) which complicates social / human interaction, thought, opinion. Furthermore, what appears random may only appear so because we cannot fathom the cause.
Regardless, analogy, at a party once with several foreigners, I was speaking with an Argentinian and a Zimbabwean, and the guy from Zimbabwe laughed, kindly, and corrected my mispronunciation of a non English word. The guy from Argentina corrected him, said you know, his pronunciation is not incorrect, it’s just according to his language, and cannot be wrong until he knows the way to say it according to the language of origin for that word. Babble, blah, burp, fart (oops!) … with omniscient knowledge, all may (or may not) be deterministic, but without that knowledge and capability to see and understand all things everywhere simultaneously, I remain correct in interpreting according to what I can experience and intuit directly.
It’s instructive to be conscious of the coercive things which control us, same as the things like you explained your recoiling from his ballistic arm movement, when we’re consciously aware of them, we can stop and observe our impulses and choose not to react to them at all, or to respond differently. That I know this is part of my sensibilities tells me while internally we may in many ways have Skinner responses to stimulous, it’s not altogether they truth of us. Things are more complicated.