Gilmore Girls Gets Therapized - Dealing with a Difficult Teen
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- Опубликовано: 3 июн 2024
- What do you do when your teen is being difficult? It can be overwhelming to know how to best help struggling teenagers. Watch this video to see how Luke handles being a parent figure for the first time, with a difficult teen none the less.
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00:00 Luke and Jess
01:30 Gilmore Girls clip
03:00 How Luke and Jess are the same
06:00 Jess buries the feelings
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12:00 Parenting a teen
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Jess goes from not good enough for Rory to being too good for her in the later seasons
I’m team Logan but Jess for sure had the best character arc
Yeap
Definitely.
First thing coming to mind is the episode in which Rory went to visit Jess after finding out that Logan slept with a whole bunch of girls during their break and kissed Jess, just to get back on Logan.
For sure Jess had issues at home, but I think a big part of it was that he just needed to mature, which he obviously did. In my opinion, Rory didn't really emotionally mature much between 15 and 30-something (however old she is in the miniseries), and because of that, she'll never be at an emotional level where she and Jess are good together. Some people just never grow up, and it is what it is.
Jess was never too good for Rory.
Jess actually turned out great. He had a rough start but by the time we reunite with him in season 6 you can really tell he finally got it together. I think you’ll like him better then 😂
lol as far as being good enough for Rory. Well. At the time of his being a teenager not so much. As an adult who finally got his stuff together, he was actually too good for her 😂
I’m telling ya. The guy turns a corner.
It's true, he became the most well-rounded and mature of all the main characters.
Exactly this and more and more each time you see him all the way thru Year in the Life
@@emmasummers893 "too good for her" girl I agree 100% lol
But all his growth is offscreen. I don’t get how it’s so compelling for so much of the fanbase.
Jess, for all his flaws, is the only guy Rory dates who demonstrates a capacity for genuine growth. I'm not sure they would ever really be "right" for each other, but I credit Jess for being able to learn and grow through difficult circumstances.
Yes jess does grow and learn into a good person
Logan didn't change and grow?
@@radhiadeedou8286In my opinion he changed and grew in the series, however, in the late addition ("a year in the life" or something similar) his choices aren't exactly commendable in that regard.
@@hannahthufvesson you shouldn’t be counting a day in the life of it was literally the creator of the show shitting on the characters and the storylines and the fans.
@@Ambereigh Well, okay, that's your opinion. I literally wrote separate things regarding the series and the later addition. 🤷
Luke’s love has a massive impact on Jess but it’s a rough start.
I think there’s something brilliant about what the writers did with Jess because they set him up as the love interest for Rory but the real love story is between him and his uncle.
Ok but
JESS WAS NOT HAVING A JOY RIDE DURING THE ACCIDENT HE SWERVED TO AVOID A DOG AND RORY KNOWS IT.
Lorelei’s irrational blame of Jess for that accident and the way she treated Luke in the immediate aftermath was one of her worst character moments for me. I couldn’t stand her in those scenes.
He also wasn’t being responsible, he was screwing around and took his hands off the wheel, that’s not the moment he swerved but it doesn’t give me a lot of faith in his being a safe driver.
@jydakota95 taking your hands off the wheel for a moment is pretty normal
also he isn't forced to go back to new york, he "wanted to go", quoting babette.
I'm honestly surprised that you're not seeing Jess as more than the typical teen acting out and is not "good enough" for Rory. He's a troubled kid who knows none of the adults in his life want him around (even Luke). Luke acts like he got stuck with Jess, which he did. I'm not saying any of this gives Jess a pass for the crap he pulls, but I honestly feel Jess has the best character arc and growth on the show and becomes the most mature because lets face it most of the characters including the adults are incredibly immature a lot of the time.
But honestly what crap does he pull? He plans a couple of harmless pranks and doesn't want to become a business owner^^ he doesn't want to finish high school but that honestly isn't the end of the world. He isn't doing nothing he is working hard which Luke was originally very proud of. He also didn't lie or cheat like Dean yet Dean is painted as the good guy and jess as a hopeless case. In my opinion that Luke made the ultimatum destroyed the trust they had because jess could've built a life there with what he had. Luke wanted him to live by his rules and his rules only. It's very authoritarian which is probably why I understand jess.
@@not-a-ghost2206 Ok I don’t like Dean either, but I was trying not to spoil anything by listing any specific reasons for or against either Dean or Jess. I said Luke did not make Jess feel wanted when he first arrived l, but when Jess comes back he does and they settle into a pretty good relationship, but as the adult figure in Jess’s life Luke set the rule that Jess had to go to school and graduate. The pranks Jess pulled were harmless, but he ditched school so he could work overtime at his second job and wasn’t going to graduate. That wasn’t Luke’s fault and it wasn’t authoritarian of him to have that simple rule. Luke wouldn’t have kicked Jess out though. Probably would of been upset, but he loved his nephew. Jess panicked and left because he couldn’t tell Rory what had happened. It had nothing to do with Luke.
Oddly enough, I think Jess has more in common with Lorelai than Luke. Two sarcastic, but loving, people who had to raise themselves. Luke was Jess’s Mia. 😊
"Luke was Jess's Mia"
this is such a sweet way to think about it omg!!
I think that's why they can't stand each other. Seeing yourself in another person in a way you don't like can be very uncomfortable.
Jess grew up in an unstable and poor environment, with a formerly drug-addicted, somewhat crazy mother, a mostly absent father and frequently changing stepfathers. His behavior is therefore not unusual. And the change he undergoes is remarkable. Despite all the difficulties of his childhood, he becomes a responsible and successful adult. Many say he wasn't the right man for Rory. I would say it's the other way around. Rory grew up well protected, always got what she wanted, went to a private school and an elite university, etc. And in the end she's still unemployed and has an affair with a man who's engaged to another woman
Are you sure Liz was a drug addict?
I loved his character development, especially when he came back to repay and thank Luke
This is why I will always defend Jess(minus what happened in Kyle's bedroom) because how could you expect anything else based on his upbringing especially when he gets shipped off to a town by his own mother, rejected by his own mother and lands in a place that despises him from the minute he arrives, who would respond well to that and a teenager no less, adolescence is hard enough without that.
Yeah Jess was flawed and messed up a lot but i feel like he's the most realistic character bc of his flaws unlike rory who was endlessly put on a pedestal and was handed pretty much everything in life but also because of how Jess improved.
Rory takes quite the downward spiral later, so yeah I think Jess could have been great for her. He was the only one to really call her out on her crap.
As a girl who watched Gilmore girls in my teens, I can tell you what I thought of Jess during the early seasons: I found him cute, annoying, but fairly harmless; I also felt bad for him. His mom kicked him out the house and sent him from NYC to a small, crazy town and Luke, who didn't give approval and didn't want him either.. His mom won't let him visit for holidays. The pranks he's pulling are pretty harmless, and because of it, the townies decide he should leave (don't know why they think that's an option; that's not how living in a town works).
I know a lot of people find him annoying because he "stole Rory from Dean". I don't see it that way - Rory has agency in who she dates. Jess does play on Dean's controlling and jealous nature to get what he wants, though.
When we meet Jess's mom, Liz, later we realize she's not a stable nor mature influence; Jess has never met his own dad and has had multiple stepdads. I find Liz to be more irritating than Jess because of her lack of emotional intelligence. It doesn't excuse how how Jess forces himself on Rory or leaves without saying goodbye, but all things considered, I think he turned out pretty well.
Glad I'm not the only person who feels that way about liz
Absolutely, poor kid never stood a chance. And to his credit, he gets his act together and becomes a successful adult later on despite the challenges thrown in his path.
Lorelei and the town were also completely unfair to him after the accident when he swerved to avoid the animal in the road. It really pissed me off how she reacted and said none of it would have happened in Dean had been driving. Ugh
As someone was also a teen when I watched Gilmore Girls(I was a few years younger than Rory but I started watching the show when I was 15(I spent a sad summer binging this show on whatever episodes I could get my hands on - we didn't have streaming then
!).
Jess was and is my favourite of Rory's love interests, but even at the time I knew his behaviour was not great and I never approved of him antagonizing Dean). He was out of order with Lorelai, but actually as an adult I'm more sympathetic to Jess's reaction to Lorelai's little speech. It's the most condescending thing when adults tell you how lucky you are and blH blah blah when they don't even know you.
Yes, Luke was a great guy, but Jess didn't really know him or want to be there at all.
Others said it before, but yeah the town's fixation on a teenage boy who played petty pranks and smoked a few cigarettes was absolutely ridiculous. But Stars Holllow is also a completely bizarre place, so.
I didnt like that liz just walked in the show was "quirky but lovable" and never had to take accountability. She just had to say "jeeeeeeesss" or "luhuuuuukeeeeee" a couple of times. She was more immature than him and jess had every right to be angry. He was expected to forgive and see her side yet she was also painted as being incredible emotionally immature. I feel like the small town sweeps anger a lot under the rug especially with Taylor in charge who can't hear anything consequential.
If I remember correctly there are some hints from people that knew Luke when he was Jess's age that he was a tiny bit like Jess back then.
It's not early Jess we love, it's the later seasons. He matures significantly.
I love Jess. I was Jess. Then I went REALLY dark for a little while... and after that, I went to work counseling and mentoring Jesses for years... and even found a Rory (mine is way better, to be totally honest) who loved me in all my Jessness, and her love made me love myself (well, maybe just tolerate, but that's a huge step too). It's never a Rory's job to fix a Jess - just as it's never any woman's job to fix any man (or any partner of any gender), but if you have broken pieces and you find someone worth fixing yourself for... DO IT.
It's SO fucking worth it.
Oh, and the world needs to be nicer and more patient to its Jesses... we usually are products of awful adults around us. It's not an excuse... but it IS a reason.
Thanks for these videos, Jonathan. Gilmore Girls was a guilty pleasure of mine in my darkest years, and I credit it with helping me cage some of my dragons. Sounds ridiculous, given how bubblegum it is, but we all have to find inspo wherever we can.
I won’t go into detail about my favorite Luke and Jess scene because I want you to see it for yourself, but my second favorite scene is when Luke shoves Jess into the lake. I was noticing how they had the same walk and then the shove happened and I lost it and laughed hard.
One of the best scenes in the entire show for sure!
I’m so excited for you to talk about Jess’ full journey after it’s all done (including A Year In The Life)
He grew up with an alcoholic drug addict mother who never wanted him and called him worthless, never met his father, and had to deal with a whole host of similarly addicted, probably violent stepfathers. We (the adults) should really learn to give him a break actually, and try for a little empathy.
Of course we shouldn't excuse the few times he actually hurt people, but most of his pranks are actually pretty harmless and the town overreacts. Also, a traumatized teen being a bit rude and taciturn is really not the worst it could get...
why didn't she give him up sooner then? i mean why wait until he's already 17 and a year away from being an adult? she could have sent him to Luke much sooner. that's one thought I had like why not 12 or 13 send him to Luke?
@@oooh19 honestly i think because she didn't care enough to do it, about him or his effect on her..
she sent him to Luke because she couldn't "handle him" anymore, so he was probably more out of the way when he was smaller or fighting back less and she had less to do about him and could just ignore him. she sent him to Luke when she couldn't ignore him anymore
@@carolineb.9596 Liz was selfish and I don’t blame Jess for not wanting to be in the wedding 💒
In all the moments when Rory is lost and has troubles finding her way back, Jess comes by and helps her realize who she is with just a couple of sentences. He’s a lost kid in the beginning but learns quite fast who he is and finds his way of life (and not what people think he should be or do). Jess has the best character arc in the entire show and in the end Rory is far behind him and could learn so much from him. It´s the perfect example of someone following their gut vs someone doing what they think is "the right thing to do and that will bring you a happy/successful life".
In the early years, Jess is definitely not right for Rory, but he does the best at pulling himself together later on. I would argue he grows to become more mature than Rory in adulthood.
I feel like the fact that Jess wasn't an obnoxious and angry kid for no reason is often lost when people view him. He canonically grew up with a Mom who was using drugs, getting in bad relationships, couldn't hold down a job, and wasn't supportive of him in the ways he needed until the point that we see her return in the series. When she finally sobered up and started making changes and wanting to make amends. As an adult who looks back and sees a lot of myself in the angry kid Jess was for similar reasons, I can acknowledge the frustration the behavior causes for others, and don't condone it, but I understand it. I feel that there was a responsibility of the adults in his life to look for the reasons behind this angry kid's actions and address the underlying issues, instead of just reacting to the behavior. And I feel that in a lot of ways the adults failed Jess. Luke I feel did as good a job as he was capable of with his experience and knowledge he had, but Jess needed more support than was available or offered to him.
I agree, and I also feel like people are way too forgiving of Dean. Even Jono, sorry, but in the episode where Dean says he loves Rory and she doesn’t say it back - I get that Jono sees himself in Dean, but this is not an acceptable “teens will be teens” moment. Dean could be possessive and Rory always felt like she had to run after him and apologize for things she didn’t even do (like flirt with her classmate). He was aggressive and verbally abusive to his wife, and cheated on her, and I think Rory dodged a bullet there.
Jess also shouldn’t take out his insecurities on other people, and he shouldn’t have dipped out on Rory, but at least his arguments with her were about real concerns - like when he calls out Rory for wanting to hear from him but not ending things with Dean. I think he had a decent moral compass that helped a Rory be a better person at times, and it’s a shame that support disappeared for her in college.
SPOILER!!! Question: I haven't watched this in a while, but isn't Jess kind of Rory's wake-up call to go back to Yale?
@@keriwebb6988yup
@@cjh06002 I guess more people WOULD like Dean as he's a good looking, hard working, tall athlete and he's more polite and respectful but this proves that even if someone is disrespectful like Jess it doesn't automatically make someone a bad person and they can have some good in them but others don't believe in them. Dean had a stable home life a more traditional middle class family. Jess was neglected. Dean could be insecure though and feeling threatened brought out the worst in him. and might i add Rory didn't dodge a bullet when it comes to Dean and Lindsay in fact she was the one he cheated w/
I agree.
One issue was that he was not challenged enough in his school and no teacher, counselor, adult, or Luke tried offering alternatives to help challenge him. I feel he would like school if he did not think it was overly easy.
I find it funny that when Luke and others found out he worked and liked his job, it was an act of rebellion. So you’re mad he got a job.
I get he shouldn’t have flunked out of or dropped school, but come on. He didn’t join the mob.
I think if more people asked how he was doing or what he wanted in life instead of yelling at him all of the time, he would have been better.
19:17 just you wait. Turns out that Jess becomes way too good for Rory. She's not good enough for him.
One of my favorite Jess moments is when Paris is convinced there is a bad side to Stars Hollow she can write about and when Jesse comes down from Luke's apartment/office she asks if that's where he keeps the girls and if he has a cat house up there. Jess response never fails to make me laugh: "Wow. I think she got you Uncle Luke. You better give up now."
I think of all characters in terms of the overall arcs rather than individual moments. So, the last question is a hard one to answer without potential spoilers.
I really wish for more Jess and Paris because the few times we get them together it’s gold!
“An innocent boy like me should not be raised in an atmosphere like this. I’m trying to be good life’s just not letting me”
@@ewwhoisshe Best moment ever!!!
that actually was funny. "im trying to be good life's just not letting me"
I love Jess’ character bc it’s a representation of how difficult it is to come from the background he did and deal with the behaviors he has to unlearn that no longer serve him in a small town. It is vastly different being a Jess in a city vs a small town where everyone knows everyone and knows what’s going on with everyone. It’s harder to slip between the cracks which is what he’s used to. He’s such a relatable and refreshing character
I honestly just wish Jess was not written in as a potential love interest for Rory. They have a great dynamic, and i wish they were friends. It could be so cool character-wise for both of them.
Very cool idea! I never thought about that :D I could even imagine as long term friends and then over the years they mature and then fall in love (like really good people in healthy friends to lovers dynamics)
or if at least the romance hadn't happened the way it did, like why couldn't they have started being friends, we could've saw his growth and see him work hard, and once Rory and dean inevitably broke up it would've been nice to see them figure out their relationship from friends to romance, but ig this would've happened in at least 2 seasons of storyline and possibly his character having a spinoff show ruined that possibility
Oh I swear it would be much better
yea. proving guys and girls can be friends
They're friends now
I think in Season 2 and 3, Rory feels like she can "fix" Jess. Plus, of course, he's good-looking and they share a lot of interests, like literature. Still, he's way too immature for her and makes bad decisions, so to me he's not the ideal boyfriend for Rory.
However, as he gets older and more mature, I think he's the best choice for Rory of all the men we meet in the series.
Yeap
Looking back on Jess as an adult I'm more neutral about him with Rory. I can definitely see the argument for right person, wrong time but I can understand people not liking him because of his initial introduction.
That said, the part I always loved about him was his family relationship with Luke. It was always the most enjoyable and intriguing part for me. I think he is a well written character and even though it isn't front and center, I loved seeing him grow and mature. I always admire storylines like that.
Best part of the show for sure
Please never say someone is not good enough. You can say that the person needs the right help to grow and learn better ways to handle things. You can say that two people are not right for each other as a couple. But never not good enough. Because we are all special. Saying they aren't good enough says they don't have value as a person.
Jess actually turned out pretty good considering what he put Rory through. If Rory just waited and yes I know that they are young. Things might have turned better for Rory. You missed the best part when Luke pushed Jess into the pond.
He will come there
I am convinced that teens are hard to handle for a reason.
Sure, they are affected by all those hormones, they are still kids that know very few things about being in an adult life, and all, but hell, they see how adults lives and how they screw the rules they make for themselves.
In those conditions, how can you blame them to be sarcastic and not receptive to what you say ? As a parent, can you have any credibility when you don't respect your own rule most of the time ? Do you think they don't see you how you live ? How adult live ?
When I was a kid, I listened and watched adults, and what I saw pretty much disgusted me most of the time because I saw pettyness and how they didn't respected their own values. Ironically, I saw other teens and how they weren't so good themselves.
It took a while before I found the willness to live an adult life, and only because I had kids of my owns, but I didn't wanted to live as the other people lived. I wanted to make them respectful, compassionnate, intelligent, and most of all, true to themselves, not a replica of my own life or a life that exorcise my own regrets.
The problem, is adult are too often taking teens from high, and don't respect the fact that teens see and think in their own way, as individual. Sure, you need structure and love, but you need to show you care for them as an individuals, not just a projection of yourself.
By the revival, Jess was way too good for Rory.
I know I can’t convince you that Jess is a good guy however, seeing the totality of the show and the subsequent sequels, I think Jess is a case of right person wrong time he wasn’t mature enough for her at the time that they started dating, but she wasn’t mature for him by the time she was in college but I think there would be a time after that where they would be a good match. We’re not our best selves as teenagers.
Oh my gosh, I was literally just thinking "I wonder when a new Gilmore Girls Gets Therapized" will be posted?
Thank you so much for making these, they’re a fun highlight of the week!
I love these too so much as I’ve watched the GG more times than I can count!
Pretty shocked to hear a therapist call a child a brat, to be honest
I have a total different reading on Jess. lol. I don't think that he views himself as "too cool" for stuff. Just that he doesn't engage with most things that make him feel vulnerable in any way, and that he has a low opinion of himself and doesn't think that he has any type of future, so why try? I also thought that the town was really overreacting to his pranks, a chalk outline and a gnome going missing? mild teen pranks in my opinion. i don't think he genuinely viewed them as a big deal and that people would react so strongly until the conversation with rory.
While i get the Luke comparison, i think the more interesting parallels are between Lorelai and Jess. I think that Lorelai sees a lot of her young self in Jess, particularly the anger she had as a teen that Jess also had from their troubled childhoods, even though the circumstances were a lot different. I think that Lorelai sees that Jess has a lot of healing to do and isn't ready for a relationship, and that's why she's so against Jess. Although this comes out in some really negative ways. Her reaction to the crash, and her utter dismissal of the safety of Jess was, to me, the most i've ever been disappointed in her.
out of all the options in the end i do like Jess the best. he's just not really a great fit for her right now. None of rory's relationships were truly healthy but i wished after they did some growing up and maturing they reunited. rory went from being this gifted kid to a spoiled girl with no backbone, while jes went from unruly angsty teen to someone who is accountable. I think dean was really nice but there was just not enough shared interest between them and they never really felt like they were on the same page. They had different ideas of the life they wanted and it didnt mesh with eachothers. I have so many issues with logan that i'm not going to get into it. but jes never got in the way of her goals, he encouraged here ot go for the school she wanted, also liked to read and there had shared interest he was also a very troubled teen that was a bit of a bad influence. but once he grew out of this phase, i think he was better matched to her then the rest of them. I also could be very biased as i became more invested in jes and lukes relationship then rory as her character increasingly annoyed me as the show went on.
My favorite peace of Luke and Jess interaction is "let's hold hands and skip after" 😂 in the episode where they look for an appartment
Saying "he's not good enough for Rory" is effectively saying he's not worthy of love, because if he's not good enough for her, who is he good enough for?
Jess and Luke is my favourite relationship in the show which I'd kinda weird since the whole premise is built around the Rory/Lorelai dynamic with Emily in the outer circle of that dynamic.
Almost all of his character development happens off screen. I heard someone once describe stars hollow as being like a snow globe where nothing ever changes, and the characters have to leave to change, and then come back. And it is so true of Jess. You like him just a little bit more every time you see him again.
I actually have a ton of compassion for Luke. Imagine NEVER raising a kid before and then being expected to raise a teenager with a ton of baggage all of a sudden! Yeah, he wasn’t perfect but he was still there for him and truly loved the kid as difficult as he was. That goes a really long way ❤
I'm loving all these Gilmore girls videos! I'm really hoping you delve deep with Luke and Jess' relationship. I think it's one of the best healthy male relationships in TV
I clicked "Like" immediately after Jono tried to pronounce Milo Ventimiglia 😂💙 btw - loving this channel 💜
Aussies know how to pronounce Milo, because we have a malt chocolate drink called Milo 😂
Love the character growth from this version of Jess to the Jess we see in Season 6. Can’t wait for you to react to that!
I was a teen girl watching this back in the day and I was obsessed with Jess! I think he's written fairly realistically for someone who has dealt with an unstable upbringing
I don't like Jess, but I love the relationship he and Luke had. It shows how love is imperfect, family can be difficult and people are complex; but if they have their heart in the right place, that love goes a long way.
Jess has a fantastic development. I think you will really like him later. Especially that talk he has with his father. That line "I HAVE NOTHING" is heart breaking. Thank you for your amazing work. I really love being able to see things from the perspective of not only a specialist, but also a really nice person ❤
You don't really see it until the final 4 episode mini series but Jess is really the only one that let's rory be herself, sees her for who she really is and is willing to let her have her own agency to do what she wants, she really doesn't deserve him at that point.
I think Jess is actually the best for her but not as a teen. They make each other better. I can't wait to see what you have to say as the seasons go on.
"He is not good enough for her." - Oh this will change in the most unexpected way for you. 😬
Love the Gilmore Girls Videos.Please keep them coming. 😄
As someone who as seen this entire show multiple times (dont worry ill avoid spoilers), and as an LPC Associate that who often works with children and adolescents with behavior problems, Ill be honest and say i was a little worried when you were coming down so hard on Jess at the first. But then Jono came in with the self reflection and the recognition of counters transference FTW!
I love the Luke/Jess relationship. Because I have a soft spot of angry teens. And i love healthy depictions of masculinity (in luke). And depictions of father figures who are imperfect but dedicated to stay the course. I wish every angry teen had a Luke.
I wonder if Jono will eat his words by the end of the series? 😅
Jess was honestly the only guy who got Rory mentally. Dean was always enamored with Rory and put her on a pedestal. Logan just wanted to have fun, corrupt her, and turn her into his yuppie live in girlfriend who became codependent on him. Jess isn’t perfect, part of that was just bad writing once they put Jess and Rory together, but they have the most genuine connection, and I feel like it was the one time Rory got to really dive more into her greatest love, literature, without having insane expectations placed on her from outside people. If Jess and Rory had ended up together, I picture them having a quiet simple life together. Rory could’ve been a writer, an english teacher, her and Jess open a bookstore together across from Luke’s. There was so much potential there. Logan literally makes Rory more and more unlikeable to the point where you can’t stand her because she loses herself and the essence of Rory so much while she’s with him.
I think if at the end of the series you were to rate the relationships from best to worst you would end up putting Luke and Jess at the top. But we will see lol
It’s so funny!!! As a major Fan of the show, I watched it for the first time on TV when I was about 18-19 and totally related to Rory and loved Jess.
Now I’m a mum to a 16 year old daughter and I soooooo relate to Lorelai and Luke😂
I am excited to (someday, hopefully) see you react to Jess and to Emily during the "A Year in the Life" wrap-up miniseries.
Jess fans like him for the person he becomes, which thanks to My-low (wrote out the pronunciation) you can see hints of in hindsight on a second watch of the series as a whole. As a note to all the people criticizing how Rory turns out (I apologize on behalf of them for the spoilers) the final season was not written by the show's main writers who were its creators, but largely by a man who'd only written two scripts for season 6, so there can be much to argue on her flaws and growth as an adult.
The people criticizing Rory are mostly criticizing her for the revival, which was written by Amy Sherman Palladino.
@elizabethgates7024 I know, but the revival had to take season 7 into account which make some of her actions worse given how much setup in season 6 was blatantly dropped. I've thought a lot about this as a writer myself and as someone who sees a lot of cymmetry between the first 6 seasons and the revival.
@@unsightedmelodies6801 Honestly the fact that the revival was written by Amy Sherman Palladino makes it worse to me. She trashed her own show and ruined almost every character except Emily. She could have built on the series finale and then written it the way she wanted it to go without making the everyone act completely out of character. Luke was never dumb from season 1 so why write him that way? I honestly prefer the series finale and pretend the revival never happened.
@user-pl3ov4vx3h I have a different, and unpopular, opinion.
Amy Sherman-Palladino didn’t even watch the 7th season so it was not taken into account for A Year in the Life. I actually liked the second half of season 7 once the remaining writers dealt with the dumpster fire that was season 6
Can we also talk about what happens when the nornal teenage rebellion doesn't happen at the right time? So when you have a "good kid" who neved raises any issues and then it inevitably happens later in their 20's or 30's?
It's absolutely horrific and icky an all levels
"She is too good for him"... he didn't meet Yale Rory yet
Man… I almost cried during you final speech… I have a 4-year-old who feels too much like a teenager these days… thanks for showing the light at the end of the tunnel.
you're right! I did came around, I was so rude and angry as a teen that I get ashamed when I look back haha I'm 25 now and I've learnt a lot from life and my therapist :)
"little t. Just pain" lol I feel
I definitely think that he is good enough for Rory. He is a good kid when he has the right environment to foster and nurture that in him, he is intelligent and loves to read, and he genuinely loves and adores Rory in a very sweet way. They have a lot in common, they have great chemistry and genuine feelings for each other, and they clearly want to see what they could build together. Sure, they might crash and burn but so what? Sometimes young people need to learn from their own experiences instead of being told by adults. And sometimes adults allow their own fears and prejudices to hold them back and in the end they are wrong about how badly things would turn out and it was good that their advice was ignored because it turned out amazingly well. No matter what I think it is way too early to judge who Rory should end up with. Let her fall in and out of love, let her try different relationships, see what happens as they all grow up and become different people, and THEN judge who is or isn’t right for her 😂
I love that you admit your judgments may be related to your feelings about your own past. Wish all therapists had these reflections and insights
The adults were way harsh on Jess and Rory wasn't hard enough on him. The way he antagonised Dean, she should not have rewarded that behaviour. But he was never given any room to be upset or angry about having to live in a one room flat with an uncle he hardly knew who only took him in because he was asked to.
Jess ends up
Being Rory’s Luke x he’s fab in the end x
I'm so happy to watch you enjoy this tv series! Jess was not good for Rory at first but as you keep watching further in the series you'll see it
I really hope you will do a video about the later seasons Jess including the revival. His growth is beautiful to watch, as he goes from what you see now to the wonderful man he is shown later
Honestly, the difficult of teenagers is what makes me the most unsure about having kids. My two younger sisters went off the rails, and I’m still traumatized by it 😅
Omg I love how in the last gilmore girls video I suggested to do Jess and Luke next and taduum here we are! I love it, thank you :) for me, the most beautiful and actually tender relationship in the entire show is actually between Jess and Luke. It's hidden behind a lot of defence barriers and lack of communication but deep down you can see that they care alot about eachother, especially with Jess' arc in the later seasons. You'll see the relationship evolve as Jess matures and they become more comfortable to show genuine caring to each other. I would love to see you analyse the car crash event with Jess and Rory. I thought it was so intresting how Luke, who previously always took Lorelai's side, actually defended Jess and wanted to make sure he was okay. Afterwards we also see Jess alone on the bridge (the same brigde Luke pushed him from a few episodes ago might I add lmao) and Luke is the only one who worries about him, empathises with him and actually cares enough to make sure he's okay. Jess feels incredibly guilty and goes away, but nevertheless I thought it was a really poignant scene and quite beautiful
I'm not even remotely ready to be a parent yet, but I'm keeping stuff like this in mind for when those days come around. I'm only 26.
lol I can’t wait to see your reactions as you watch the rest of the seasons! 😂 As another commenter said, Jess goes from being “not good enough” for Rory to being too good for her. But I think my favorite relationship in the entire show is the one between Jess and Luke. Looking forward to more Gilmore Girls videos!
Good to know!
Seeing that intro, all I can think about is how much of a good actor you would be! 😯
Patiently waiting for Keg! Max! Episode
I’m so curious to see your thoughts on him but the end of the series. He does go darker than this and it’s hard to watch, but when a lot of the trauma of his situation with his parents comes up, WOW his development is incredible. I would argue he possibly becomes one of the most emotionally intelligent characters, and I wish he hadn’t needed to go through the things he did to get there, but he was better for it in the end.
In terms of the “being good enough,” I don’t know if that’s something one can quantify? Like others have said, the tables kind of flip between Jess and Rory later where he’s put in all of this work to get his life together while she lets hers fall apart. I wish people had more empathy for Rory in this case than they tend to, but Jess does. He recognizes the place she’s at because he’s been there-and because he’s been there he’s impressively good at preserving his own peace and progress and not letting his desires sabotage what he knows now is good for him, while at the same time helping her reckon with her choices. I don’t see them as being really I guess in a place to be together at the timeline canon takes place, but I do see them later, probably when they’re Luke’s and Lorelai’s age, maybe finally being in a place to be in a healthy relationship once they’ve grown up a bit. Because they do grow up, but they’re their own people and they do it at different times. I will say that while I don’t think they’re ready to date each other at this age, I do think he’s, at least later, a good friend for her to have in her life. He does care about her outside of her availability to him and he really does have faith in her for her character independent of the other dynamics in their lives.
I do also want to mention that I wish Lorelai would have more empathy for Jess, HOWEVER, I understand why she doesn't. She's coming from the perspective of a mother whose sole concern is her child and she sees him as a threat to her safety in one way or another and she's right to be wary. I would never suggest otherwise. But 1x1, not as a mother, but as a person, I'm surprised she doesn't see where he's coming from, given her own messy family, especially considering that she was, complicated relationship aside, born into an immense amount of privilege that he wasn't. The entire premise of the show hinges on that. Lorelai has an emotionally tumultuous relationship with her parents. Still, at the end of the day, she can get through dinner with and ask them for ungodly amounts of money, and they're going to get her a present for her birthday, and even if it isn't something she would have gotten for herself, they'd still never forget it because they DO show love, even in their weird transactional way. Even if it doesn't come off that way in the moment, Lorelai does understand that she is loved. Jess doesn't have that until Luke. He's never met his father, and his mother prioritized whatever random man she was dating that month over her kid. He can't talk to her, he can't rely on her for money or for stability or to even remember him. There's an entire episode about how Luke tries to hide from Jess that his mother didn't even remember to contact him over the holidays (I think it was the holidays, at least. Some break they were supposed to have.), and Jess lets Luke think he's successful because that white lie alone is an act of love he never had before living with him, and while he's unsurprised about his mom, he wants Luke to feel like he's going a good thing. And Jess really does love his mother, you can tell; but he's had to lower his expectations for her so exponentially because she hasn't shown up for him. It's made worse when we actually do meet his mother later in the series because she's a nice person, and people watching are like "oh she's so sweet, I can't picture her treating her son the way we know she has." Nice people are neglectful parents all the time. And so when Jess goes to Stars Hollow and people are so confused about how Jess could be so shut off from Luke, asking "why can't he just accept this kindness and be grateful?" I guess I would have to ask, why would he? Until now, he's been shown that the adults he's supposed to trust to take care of him and love him are inevitably going to care about something else more and that he will have to fend for himself because that's all he has; why on EARTH would he relent to this relative he ALSO hardly knows? Because his mother trusts him? His mother whose judgment he can't rely on? This has been hardwired into his brain for almost two decades, he can't turn it off like a switch. Of course it takes him time to navigate that he can feel safe with Luke in more ways than one, and you really can tell later in the series as Jess gets older that he is grateful. He not only wants to see Luke, but he wants him to see how far he's come.
I will also say that yeah, he’s clearly a LOT like his uncle lmao. But I think, because Luke is arguably more resistant to changing for himself, that the fact that Jess SUCH a New Yorker and knows how to stand up for himself, that I wish Luke would be willing to take some of those things in more himself too. Luke can behave so spineless sometimes (especially with Lorelai), that I wish that in what I think is his most compelling relationship, he has the “give” component down with Jess, but I wish he would be more accepting to the “take.” Jess isn’t good at expressing it because he’s a literal kid, but he cares about you, Luke! I know it seems ill-advised but you CAN allow yourself to be affected by him.
Curious to see your thoughts later!
but thank you for giving me hope because, I am exactly what you said, I am trying and doing EVERYTHING, but nothing seems to be working
And I worry about who he will become. I'm glad to hear this is a phase.
One of the greatest moments in any show ever is when Luke pushes Jess into the lake. Always cracks me up
Can’t wait for the talk about Rory
I am in love with this episode just as I am in love with Jess character!
He is now an ass but he grows so much! It is beautiful to watch
The timing of this episode is SO PERFECT!! I am a single mom to a 13 and 14 yr old.
My 14yr old....maaannn he has been so disrespectful and I have to "be the bad guy", and dole out the punishment---It's so hard bc when they're not little anymore, they can try to negotiate and manipulate
He is testing the boundaries and I had to take so many things away--he thinks I'm the meanest person EVER, and he's playing victim, so trying to teach the lesson
"YOU are the reason you're in trouble, YOUR bad choices did this, not me" is not easy
Jess and Rory actually end up switching as adults 😂
i would have thought from that description that you were about to talk about Paris.
Bro I cannot wait til you get to season 4.
So many video topics...
I’m 100% a Jess girl for life 💖
I think that, especially in season 2, he suffers from “bad kid syndrome” and really highlights some of the more dystopian elements of Stars Hollow. He’s an unwanted kid, sent away by his mom to live in New England Disney World. His vibe is out of sync with the rest of the very insular community, so he’s pinned as a bad kid right off the bat. He behaves in the way he’s expected to behave, and only shown any grace by Luke and Rory. It’s no wonder that he gets attached.
Fortunately Luke’s persistent love really gives him the sense of intrinsic worth that he’s needed all along, and this starts him down a path to becoming one of the most mature, well-adjusted adults in the entire series.
I think you'll come to learn to love Jess. His character growth is amazing
The police tape and chalk line was actually in front of Doosey’s grocery store, but people think that Jess did it and they let Luke know about it. Luke stood up for him during the town meeting.
I can’t wait til you get to the scene of Luke confronting Jess about graduating. It’s one of my favorite scenes in the whole show!!
okay, but here's the thing now, i'm writing this before actually getting into the video, but the thing that's always bothered me about how people talk about his character is he's not just some jerk trying to be the edgy cool kid. like the dude has been through some shit. He has a flaky mum that can't get her life together and counts on guys to save her while giving Jess minimal attention to the point where she even ships him off when she panicked about how he's getting older and not turning out great and Jess just goes "yup, this is my mum." That's how used to this he is. his dad bailed at a young age and has had to deal with guys coming in and out of his life. Luke is the most stable adult in his life, which is pretty nutty. He's completely shut down and just doesn't care anymore because he's used to the world just tossing him around. Does that excuse his behavior? absolutely not, but people like to piss on him and call him a brat without acknowledging all the trauma he's had to deal with growing up and it bugs me. the kid doesn't need to "smarten up" or "lose the 'tude" he needs a damn hug, a stable roof, and some therapy.
you should really react to this is us! the family dinamics on there are so interesting and thought provoking! would love to see your take on the pearsons relationship
Gotta tell ya, jess is exactly the boy i would have fallen for. He's smart, funny, great taste in music and books, great hair. Her first boyfriend was cardboard, the rich boy was a joke, i honestly think jess is her best of 3 imperfect boys. But I've always liked that kind of bad boy. Spike is my favorite vampire on BUFFY, too, minus the attempted rape episode.
I'm So excited to see his reaction to Rori's development in later seasons lol
I might go back to watch gilmore girls after this
I liked Jess’s and Luke’s relationship when it went on.
Once they earned each other’s trust and sat down and communicated. Luke eventually became supportive of Jess working and trying to figure himself out.
Jess made sure to help his uncle when needed and stood up for him.
It took time, but he did support his mom and her relationship even though he had plenty of reasons to be mad at her.
I swear I don’t come here to just rave about Jess. It just happens.
Again, I don’t justify all of Jess’s decisions, but I think we overlook the good things Jess does throughout the show.
And we can do that with Rory as well.
In addition to the other great comments on his awful upbringing: he wasn’t too cool for school, he was skipping school to work a minimum wage job and save money as he was probably expecting to be kicked out on the street on his 18th birthday when all the adults in his life kept on failing in taking care of him!
Can't wait to see if your opinion on Jess changes when you get to Season 6. He has a redemption arc and becomes the most mature out of her boyfriends. It takes awhile but Luke really is a great influence on him.
I feel so bad for Jess because imagine your mother sending you away because you're practically crying out for help by acting out
Yes! Jono is not team Jess, I mean, I love him with Luke and how he turned out in the end, but I don't think he should have ended up with Rory. ( And I don't know which team I am, maybe it's time to rewatch the series again 😅)
I've always been and always will be #TeamJess💜
That aside...Vitameatvegemin?!?!?🤣 I LOVE that episode of Lucy😂😂😂😂 (Wasn't that stuff like 30% grain alcohol?!?! Or...90?!?!?!🤣🤣🤣)
When Jess gets attacked by the swan! Probably the best moment between Luke and Jess. But not for Rory.
I love Jess' arc. He's a nice character to watch.
plzz watch everything now
The chalk thing was in front of dooses not lukes lol (this show is something)