Great Job! I did something similar in my own house but I had to cut an access opening in the wall behind the valve. It was inside a closet anyway so I just made an access panel. I installed two emergency shutoff valves on the hot and cold for any future repairs.
nice job...symmons is the best tub faucet made.. i have installed dozens and never had a problem. ..10 years later and still have not got calls for leaks etc...
Thanks. This video helped me because I kept finding videos with valves being replaced from the backside and that's not an option in my case. I am now confident that I can get mine done. thanks
Thanks so much for this really excellent video. Saved me lots of time and effort trying to figure out what seems easy work for a pro like you. Thanks for sharing. Clear and right to the point.
Actually several detailed steps were not shown. 1. Any concerns or common mistakes when doing the cut out. 2. Suggested ways to protect the wood from damage when soldering. 3. Touch on use of Pex tubing if permitted for a project like this.
Awesome video, I learned one very important point after watching.. Call a Plummer! If I tried this the freaking dishwasher would probably start up every time someone tried to take a shower. 😬
That triple valve was a nightmare, had to service it every year. Constantly replace or resurface the seats and change washers. New single knob valve replacements much better with many trouble free years.
I've got a similar setup in my tub/shower. 1914 home with mesh and mortar wall and orig 'subway' tiles (square edge, not the ugly bevel). The brass fixture is embedded in the backing wall. I want to avoid cutting that tile and trying to source the original. I will clean and rebuild (or replace) the stems. The new plastic stems (cartridges) are often pretty crappy quality unless you pay $$ for top-shelf stuff. Just something to consider if you are the homeowner. Also, if you're DIY, I'd get a flame protector to place between the copper and the wood to avoid fire potential. I say that because most of the standard brazing/soldering tips sold in retail stores are pretty large for working in tight spaces.
Good job 👍 it wasn’t enough to see all the job you did. Thanks for sharing. I am also amazed we human beings God gave us to do good and and evil. I thank God for that to see Good from fellow men.
Thanks man. I knew this could be done. 2 plumbers came to my house and said no way. All for one stripped hot water on off valve. Obviously no Plumbing talent in Buffalo NY. I wish you were close to me I’d hire you.
HI. I see you used the Symmons 96-2 value What hardware did you use to match that. Was it a Kit or individual part purchases? The reason I ask is that I'm redoing my bathroom and it looks exactly like what I''m going to do. Your help would be appreciated.
Great video👍 i just did the plumbing in my mothers bathroom shower and i ran everythjng 1/2” copper to a kohler 3way diverter and temp valve at the instruction of kohler and now i have low water pressure in the raindrop showerhead and the wall showerhead… any ideas? Also i spoke to kohler and already took out the flow restrictor in the temp valve at their instructions…
Very helpful video. After I replaced my double handle faucet with new stems and seats, only the cold water faucet is still dripping from the spout. What did I do wrong? (3Z-6H/C Stems for Valley has a rubber seat and spring). Appreciate all your advice.
I agree with Valente..that part is crucial to see...I have very little experience soldering... especially in such a tide space...any chance you show how to do that?
Where did you find a replacement shower valve with such a large plate? I need one just about that size since I have to most likely cut around my mobile homes shower valves pretty much the same way you did since there's no access behind the shower. I'd appreciate whatever info you can give me.....Thanks!
I wish you could of had the camera set up to where I could of seen you doing all of it as you did it. Like the soldering, just because I have no experience, and I need to replace the shower valves in both my bathrooms .Thank you for the video it is very helpful!
gm sir question i put in a 3 handle mixer just like what u have in yr video k when i turn on cold or hot water no water comes out to go in tub but when i turn on the middle handle water spray from the shower i i swap all 3 valves out same thing no water in the tub
is the three valve shower body best for servicing or single handle valve? I have some rental units that we will be remodeling soon and all have the three valve body. The most difficult thing in servicing them has been removing the handles. I have no experience with the single valve bodies. Thank you.
I'm considering renting out our house too and have wondered if the single-valve bathtub handle is more desirable to renters compared to 3-handle. If it is then I may swap our 3-handle to single-handle in order to attract a higher level of tenant.
This is EXACTLY what i have to do with my upstairs shower.....The original installation when i purchased my home was not installed correct...It is to far from the wall...Everytime i turn the knobs the shower wall moves in...Because of this Iam constantly replacing the rubber on the stems....What is the name of the tool that you used to bore the ceramic??
got a customer with bad shutoff for the water meter...curb stop is frozen ...water pressure is over 100psi..can a jet swet hold long enough in 1/2" copper to install a compression ball valve ?
I doubt it. You may want to try and freeze it with a product like a 'Cold Shot' by General then replace the valve. You could also press a valve in which is a better connection than compression.
I'm curious how you connected the diverter pipe once you had the shower pipe soldered to the top of the valve. The shower pipe is fixed and the diverter pipe is also fixed. Where did you get the "slack" to slip fit the valve into the middle?
@@misterplumber Ah! Now I get it! I did not know about slip couplings. Thanks for your reply. Your video is very helpful and I am dreading replacing my 40 year old Eljer? tub faucets. Your video certainly helps. Thanks Again!
The water naturally wants to come out of the bath tub spout because thats the lowest point. The diverter valve blocks off access to the tub spout, so it has no place else to go but UP and out of the shower head. Water is stored in water towers that are really tall. It has no trouble flowing up to any point lower than the height it fell from.
Just wondering what a plumber might charge to do this? I was quoted $450 which seems high. Any feedback is welcomed. Thanks so much for the video, I now understand what needs to be done.
How much is a job like this. My landlord needs to repair this whole thing but did a Micky mouse job to fix a leak. He was complaining how it would be a big job and he wouldn’t find matching tile. He just removed the faucet and attached and outdoor valve to close. Its still leaking too from the middle valve that transfers the water up to the shower. His water bill will go up and the tenants will have to pay. Why not fix it right the first tim?
Highly varies on your region but the labor to replace the shower valve alone is at least $280. This particular situation would likely be more costly as it requires specialized tools and precision to cut out just the right amount of tile so that the plate covers the hole.
@@Mishra100 i do the whole thing for $450....including the valve and trim..... takes me about 90 mins.....been plumbing since the 8th grade....I'm semi-retired now....
being a Plumber.. perhaps you can answer this... are customers not allowed to pick their own faucets? a plumbers choice may not fit my own needs.. and this was NO CHEAP kitchen faucet.. oil rubbed Pull down. but they want to use their stock and I am not crazy about the look or Knob handles as I have nueropathy and do better with levers. so they refuse to put the darn thing in.. I don' get it as they get paid for the labor.. sooo either way? time for me to look for another plumber I guess.. they also tried to sell me a new sink that I do not need.. maybe way in the future but not right now.
I'm not sure where you are from but in Massachusetts it says right in the code book that all materials and fixtures must be supplied by the plumber. Additionally all fixtures must be approved through the product acceptance process. So you plumber may be correct. I won't install fixtures or faucets from any home center chain, I only install products from plumbing supply houses.
Awesome video! If I may, I have three layperson "self-help plumbing for dummies" questions. Hope you can answer them: 1. Does the rough-in-valve have a PSI spec -- specify what the minimum pressure must be and what the maximum pressure must be? A. What will happen if there's not enough minimum pressure -- will the rough-in-value not work or the cartridge? B. What will happen if there's excessive pressure -- will the rough-in-value not work or the cartridge? 2. Does the rough-in-value have a flow rate (GPM) spec -- specify what the minimum flow rate must be and what the maximum flow rate must be? A. What will happen if there's not enough GPM -- will the rough-in-value not work or the cartridge? B. What will happen if there's excessive GPM -- will the rough-in-value not work or the cartridge? 3. Should the hot water flow rate and cold water flow rate be equal or disparate via the rough-in-value or cartridge? A. If the hot water flow rate is less than the cold water, does this mean the rough-in-valve or cartridge is faulty or a clogged pipe? ----------------------- I ask these questions because my rental studio have a Moen Legend Single Handle 1225 tub/shower model, standard rough-in-value and 1225/B pressure balance cartridge. Per my timed 1-gallon buck test, I get 3.0 GPM hot water from tub-spout, 11.50 GPM mixed-water, and 10.00 GPM cold ... three flow rate disparities. Landlord won't fix, claims a pencil diameter (6mm or 0.236'') is the minimum flow rate for all tub spouts, and the 1997 Uniform Housing Code only requires he provide this minimum water supply out his tub-spout and shower head. He couldn't tell me which section of the UHC states this or what the GPM equivalent is for a 6mm column of water at 115 PSI -- yes that's the PSI per my statistic gauge test. So I may have to hire my own plumber to diagnose and fix this hot/cold disparity flow rate ... your feed-back Mr. Plumber?
There's no reason to shoot a video like this if you don't do it step by step and let the viewers really see all the work. editing and making it short and saying one hand can't show all is crap. Don't make a video if you can't show everything all at once.
I still think spending $120 on a quality valve has no extrapolatory value compared to the reliability of GM automobiles. I'll take the Buick 3800 series everyday. However nowadays I would only buy a Toyota or Honda 4 banger pre-2015.
How come u can do it w/ 1 hand but my husband has trouble w/his 2 + my 2 hands? I know he's doing something wrong, but he's 2 stubborn to listen 2 me or 2 anyone 4 that matter. He thinks I can hold a sml slippery pipe fr moving, while he is loosening it. If he would let me use a tool that can actually grip the pipe we would probably have successful results, but he'd rather do it the hard way, bcs he's 2 lazy 2 use the proper tools, & scream & yell my head off, like an 2yo toddler w/ a temper tantrum. It's ridiculous & abusive, he doesn't like to compromise or even talk like a normal adult. Uhhhh..... Pure frustration!!! 🤷🏽🤯😷😰😮💨
Great Job! I did something similar in my own house but I had to cut an access opening in the wall behind the valve. It was inside a closet anyway so I just made an access panel. I installed two emergency shutoff valves on the hot and cold for any future repairs.
nice job...symmons is the best tub faucet made.. i have installed dozens and never had a problem. ..10 years later and still have not got calls for leaks etc...
Thanks. This video helped me because I kept finding videos with valves being replaced from the backside and that's not an option in my case. I am now confident that I can get mine done. thanks
Great video: however, as mention elsewhere, wish you had tripod so we could view all of the procedure.
Good Explaination of what you were doing.
Thanks so much for this really excellent video. Saved me lots of time and effort trying to figure out what seems easy work for a pro like you. Thanks for sharing. Clear and right to the point.
Good stuff, man. Thanks for this.
Thank You...very well done!!
Fantastic job! Very descriptive. You covered all the bases on this change over. Thank you.
Actually several detailed steps were not shown. 1. Any concerns or common mistakes when doing the cut out. 2. Suggested ways to protect the wood from damage when soldering. 3. Touch on use of Pex tubing if permitted for a project like this.
Awesome video, I learned one very important point after watching.. Call a Plummer! If I tried this the freaking dishwasher would probably start up every time someone tried to take a shower. 😬
That triple valve was a nightmare, had to service it every year. Constantly replace or resurface the seats and change washers. New single knob valve replacements much better with many trouble free years.
Thanks, very helpful.
I've got a similar setup in my tub/shower. 1914 home with mesh and mortar wall and orig 'subway' tiles (square edge, not the ugly bevel). The brass fixture is embedded in the backing wall. I want to avoid cutting that tile and trying to source the original. I will clean and rebuild (or replace) the stems. The new plastic stems (cartridges) are often pretty crappy quality unless you pay $$ for top-shelf stuff. Just something to consider if you are the homeowner.
Also, if you're DIY, I'd get a flame protector to place between the copper and the wood to avoid fire potential. I say that because most of the standard brazing/soldering tips sold in retail stores are pretty large for working in tight spaces.
Good job 👍 it wasn’t enough to see all the job you did. Thanks for sharing. I am also amazed we human beings God gave us to do good and and evil. I thank God for that to see Good from fellow men.
Thanks man. I knew this could be done. 2 plumbers came to my house and said no way. All for one stripped hot water on off valve. Obviously no Plumbing talent in Buffalo NY. I wish you were close to me I’d hire you.
what brand shower valve did you use to replace?
Very detailed video. You did a good job.
HI. I see you used the Symmons 96-2 value What hardware did you use to match that. Was it a Kit or individual part purchases? The reason I ask is that I'm redoing my bathroom and it looks exactly like what I''m going to do. Your help would be appreciated.
Good video!
It's lockdown June 2020... DIY time! Dang.. you did a hell if a great job. Awesome.
Great video👍 i just did the plumbing in my mothers bathroom shower and i ran everythjng 1/2” copper to a kohler 3way diverter and temp valve at the instruction of kohler and now i have low water pressure in the raindrop showerhead and the wall showerhead… any ideas? Also i spoke to kohler and already took out the flow restrictor in the temp valve at their instructions…
Good job , how long did the job take you to complete plumbing only
great job in explaining everything and job well done. very nice outcome
Very informative video.
Do you give free estimates?
Great video
It is clear and could have been better if it showed all
I understand u doing all by urself
Thanks much
Very helpful video. After I replaced my double handle faucet with new stems and seats, only the cold water faucet is still dripping from the spout. What did I do wrong? (3Z-6H/C Stems for Valley has a rubber seat and spring). Appreciate all your advice.
Did you resurface or replace the seats as well?
this was great.........perfect information
Thank you for your professional work it was great
I agree with Valente..that part is crucial to see...I have very little experience soldering... especially in such a tide space...any chance you show how to do that?
Thank you so much for this!!!
Great Job!
Where did you find a replacement shower valve with such a large plate? I need one just about that size since I have to most likely cut around my mobile homes shower valves pretty much the same way you did since there's no access behind the shower. I'd appreciate whatever info you can give me.....Thanks!
I wish you could of had the camera set up to where I could of seen you doing all of it as you did it. Like the soldering, just because I have no experience, and I need to replace the shower valves in both my bathrooms .Thank you for the video it is very helpful!
How much it cost to replace with a single handle shower valve?
Great job
gm sir question i put in a 3 handle mixer just like what u have in yr video k when i turn on cold or hot water no water comes out to go in tub but when i turn on the middle handle water spray from the shower i i swap all 3 valves out same thing no water in the tub
Does the cover come with the valve or did you buy it separate. Great video
You have to buy it separate.
is the three valve shower body best for servicing or single handle valve? I have some rental units that we will be remodeling soon and all have the three valve body. The most difficult thing in servicing them has been removing the handles. I have no experience with the single valve bodies. Thank you.
I'm considering renting out our house too and have wondered if the single-valve bathtub handle is more desirable to renters compared to 3-handle. If it is then I may swap our 3-handle to single-handle in order to attract a higher level of tenant.
Great video. U should get yourself a nice camera set up with a tripod so u can show everything.
Good video buddy, helped me out a lot.
How did you place screws to the body valve to secure it to the backing?
Really nice video! Can plumbers putty also work to keep water from getting behind the escutcheon or is caulk considered the superior method?
I would just use caulking not putty
nice job. how much you charge for the labor?
@@misterplumber how much does something like that cost because I have to go threw the front they told me 1100 to fix!
How could i drill a hole thru that kind of tile for just enough room for ne valve to come thru?
Helps with my uncle's work i am happy for him 😌😭🔮
Im no plumber obviously, is it possible to open the wall behind (opposite room) and do the same so you dont have to cut the tile to get to the valve?
I did that, had closet behind so i put an access door and replaced old Valve with a pressure regulated one.
good job!!
Was there no piece of wood behind (to brace) the old valve, or is that not a standard thing?
Might need to do this
Great video
Is it not easier to have just plugged diverter opening and tube tub and use same valve to just use shower only for disabled person?
good video, I have that same disgusting tile. house built in 1963. its time for me to do this same thing.
Can I please ask what the cost of this job is to the client, parts and labor so I can tell if it's a viable option for me...thanks
If you wish to learn soldering things like this try a void on "sweating pipes" that should give more detail in that area!
Thank you for this video.
This is EXACTLY what i have to do with my upstairs shower.....The original installation when i purchased my home was not installed correct...It is to far from the wall...Everytime i turn the knobs the shower wall moves in...Because of this Iam constantly replacing the rubber on the stems....What is the name of the tool that you used to bore the ceramic??
@Samuel Lim No worries..My plumbing skills are solid...I used to install boilers...Commercial and residential...
@Samuel Lim No worries..My plumbing skills are solid...I used to install boilers..Commercial and residential...
I had to do this to our house around 2001 and the water pitted the valve body so badly I need to replace the whole thing.
What if you put in the new assembly and everything works but cold water? It isn't the cutoff valve.
How did you sealed the whole hole in the shower trim? did you just placed a plate on top?
With caulking
Good job
stefan k
How much would something like that cost!
great video!
got a customer with bad shutoff for the water meter...curb stop is frozen ...water pressure is over 100psi..can a jet swet hold long enough in 1/2" copper to install a compression ball valve ?
I doubt it.
You may want to try and freeze it with a product like a 'Cold Shot' by General then replace the valve. You could also press a valve in which is a better connection than compression.
@@misterplumber
thanks
How do you know when the problem is not with the stem, washer and seat, and instead the problem is the shower valve in the wall?
Looks like this video was done at night, I can see spirits going around the hole!.
I'm curious how you connected the diverter pipe once you had the shower pipe soldered to the top of the valve. The shower pipe is fixed and the diverter pipe is also fixed. Where did you get the "slack" to slip fit the valve into the middle?
Slip couplings don't have a roll-stop so you can slide them up the pipe, then back down.
@@misterplumber Ah! Now I get it! I did not know about slip couplings. Thanks for your reply. Your video is very helpful and I am dreading replacing my 40 year old Eljer? tub faucets. Your video certainly helps. Thanks Again!
Wow what a great video
Can you replace 3 handle with a new 3 handle module if you have access to back . Don't won't to cut my tub tile. Thanks
3 handle valves are illegal for the most part. You can do anything from the back side, it isn't an option for many people.
Exactly what I want to do to my old three handle shower on the second floor. Plummer quoted me $1200
😮😮wow you are amazing I'm gonna save money
How long did this job take? Like 2 hours max?
Blackhawks I have the same question. Looking to estimate the cost to have this done.
!!in video 5mins🤣🤣🤣
You Should have showed every step the whole process of lining it up and soldering
Good video , rather replace original valve seat with a better composition seat 00 size.
How does water even flow up for showers n baths, still don't get that
The water naturally wants to come out of the bath tub spout because thats the lowest point. The diverter valve blocks off access to the tub spout, so it has no place else to go but UP and out of the shower head.
Water is stored in water towers that are really tall. It has no trouble flowing up to any point lower than the height it fell from.
what is the cost to replace the valve?
rere nomad 775
Is there anything else i can use instead of the replacement cartridge that i can make for now??
Really hard to stay awake and watch when you repeat everything two or three times. Good info.
Just wondering what a plumber might charge to do this? I was quoted $450 which seems high. Any feedback is welcomed. Thanks so much for the video, I now understand what needs to be done.
I've been told $375 - $575, seems about right.
995 is average around here
How much is a job like this. My landlord needs to repair this whole thing but did a Micky mouse job to fix a leak. He was complaining how it would be a big job and he wouldn’t find matching tile. He just removed the faucet and attached and outdoor valve to close. Its still leaking too from the middle valve that transfers the water up to the shower. His water bill will go up and the tenants will have to pay. Why not fix it right the first tim?
cool
How many cutters I have drop😂
Please
Some one know how much this can cost?
I have this situation in my house
Highly varies on your region but the labor to replace the shower valve alone is at least $280. This particular situation would likely be more costly as it requires specialized tools and precision to cut out just the right amount of tile so that the plate covers the hole.
@@egolono10
Thank you soo much
About 180 in the US just for material if you decide to do it yourself
@@egolono10 I wish. Got quoted 945 to do it.
@@Mishra100 i do the whole thing for $450....including the valve and trim..... takes me about 90 mins.....been plumbing since the 8th grade....I'm semi-retired now....
What the heck the shower is stronger than the faucet..
Too much solder in the joints
being a Plumber.. perhaps you can answer this... are customers not allowed to pick their own faucets? a plumbers choice may not fit my own needs.. and this was NO CHEAP kitchen faucet.. oil rubbed Pull down. but they want to use their stock and I am not crazy about the look or Knob handles as I have nueropathy and do better with levers. so they refuse to put the darn thing in.. I don' get it as they get paid for the labor.. sooo either way? time for me to look for another plumber I guess.. they also tried to sell me a new sink that I do not need.. maybe way in the future but not right now.
I'm not sure where you are from but in Massachusetts it says right in the code book that all materials and fixtures must be supplied by the plumber. Additionally all fixtures must be approved through the product acceptance process. So you plumber may be correct. I won't install fixtures or faucets from any home center chain, I only install products from plumbing supply houses.
You sound like bob from bobs burgers lol
Isn't that the same voice as Archer?
Awesome video! If I may, I have three layperson "self-help plumbing for dummies" questions. Hope you can answer them:
1. Does the rough-in-valve have a PSI spec -- specify what the minimum pressure must be and what the maximum pressure must be?
A. What will happen if there's not enough minimum pressure -- will the rough-in-value not work or the cartridge?
B. What will happen if there's excessive pressure -- will the rough-in-value not work or the cartridge?
2. Does the rough-in-value have a flow rate (GPM) spec -- specify what the minimum flow rate must be and what the maximum flow rate must be?
A. What will happen if there's not enough GPM -- will the rough-in-value not work or the cartridge?
B. What will happen if there's excessive GPM -- will the rough-in-value not work or the cartridge?
3. Should the hot water flow rate and cold water flow rate be equal or disparate via the rough-in-value or cartridge?
A. If the hot water flow rate is less than the cold water, does this mean the rough-in-valve or cartridge is faulty or a clogged pipe?
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I ask these questions because my rental studio have a Moen Legend Single Handle 1225 tub/shower model, standard rough-in-value and 1225/B pressure balance cartridge. Per my timed 1-gallon buck test, I get 3.0 GPM hot water from tub-spout, 11.50 GPM mixed-water, and 10.00 GPM cold ... three flow rate disparities.
Landlord won't fix, claims a pencil diameter (6mm or 0.236'') is the minimum flow rate for all tub spouts, and the 1997 Uniform Housing Code only requires he provide this minimum water supply out his tub-spout and shower head.
He couldn't tell me which section of the UHC states this or what the GPM equivalent is for a 6mm column of water at 115 PSI -- yes that's the PSI per my statistic gauge test.
So I may have to hire my own plumber to diagnose and fix this hot/cold disparity flow rate ... your feed-back Mr. Plumber?
Closing on the sale of my last rental property next month. After that a landlord i will never again be! 🥳🥳🥳
Call a plumber dude
Maybe some new caulking, nasty shower......and a few years of cleaning...................
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that tub is disgusting, should rip it out and start over. Or get some Comet Cleaner for the mold growing. Nice job tho!
I see there is no shut off valves for the bath and that sucks when working on bath, you must turn off water to whole house, not good !
Isn't working on old junk fun
Clearwater plumbers charged me $1300 to do this in my home. I got screwed!
too expensive....my mexican plumber charged me only $150 for the labor.
995
There's no reason to shoot a video like this if you don't do it step by step and let the viewers really see all the work. editing and making it short and saying one hand can't show all is crap. Don't make a video if you can't show everything all at once.
I actually want to get rid of my single knob shower valve and go back to a two handle set up....
They sell the same thing he used but in a 3 handle set up.
Nice video, too much talking
Ball valve 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Great video but you’re putting in a Cadillac faucet into a Chevy bathtub
Lol you definitely understand the law of diminishing returns..
I still think spending $120 on a quality valve has no extrapolatory value compared to the reliability of GM automobiles. I'll take the Buick 3800 series everyday. However nowadays I would only buy a Toyota or Honda 4 banger pre-2015.
How come u can do it w/ 1 hand but my husband has trouble w/his 2 + my 2 hands? I know he's doing something wrong, but he's 2 stubborn to listen 2 me or 2 anyone 4 that matter. He thinks I can hold a sml slippery pipe fr moving, while he is loosening it. If he would let me use a tool that can actually grip the pipe we would probably have successful results, but he'd rather do it the hard way, bcs he's 2 lazy 2 use the proper tools, & scream & yell my head off, like an 2yo toddler w/ a temper tantrum. It's ridiculous & abusive, he doesn't like to compromise or even talk like a normal adult. Uhhhh..... Pure frustration!!! 🤷🏽🤯😷😰😮💨
Have you considered couples therapy? 🤷
lady you have bigger problems than plumbing with that guy lol