I sold my antique relic the same day it arrived. It was nice but I knew I wouldn’t end up carrying it. Grabbed a battle black eklipse Bowie from southern edge as soon as I sold it which was quick.
I enjoy your vids very much, I really relate to you as I spent a lifetime dealing with people who were not up on specifics and being a Engineer I wanted facts down to the atom. Keep up the great reviews,they make my day
Love your videos sir! I love that you buy theese yourself and are not trying to sell me stuff. I collect knives. I have 3 small kids 2 car payments and a mortgage. I cant always run out and buy expensive knives. I love that you give the nitty-gritty. Sho what they can take and pretty much hold the companies accountable on hrc and heat treats. Keep doing your thing! And if im saving for a pro tech, its sure going to be an auto.
Would be cool for you to test your lock strength contraption on other locking mechanisms like liner locks/frame locks because it would really test proper lock-face geometry. They can fail as much or as often as hands free
Well, looking at these comments, seems you've stirred up more controversy. That's what I like about this channel ! I think most of us would like our carry knife to be able to handle whatever we encounter. At the same time, very rarely encounter anything more than tape, cardboard, line/rope, ziptie or plastic wrap. If you think locks don't need to hold up get a slip joint. If it needs to be expensive, there are quite a few that cost too much. BTW the o-ring solution is a helpful tip !
Shock transfers from object to object via a vector called Impulse. Impulse depends on the velocity of object 1 and firmness of both surfaces. Think of dropping a tennis ball onto asphalt vs. carpet laying on the same spot. The input force is the same: the mass of the ball. The outcome is drastically different. Introducing an a dampening material, such as elastic ring, dampens he the impulse, reducing the shock transferred into the mechanism. Great question! Thanks!
@@CuttingBoardRx Okay, that makes sense to me. I guess we found the limits of my high-school education haha. Thank you for taking the time to explain it to me.
@@butchcassidy3373 Funny story: I was looking at Benchmade Claymore at a shop and the salesman was warning me to be careful because how hard it snaps open. I let him try that tuxedo ATCF I had on me that day to let him know what snappy feels like.
I just got the tr3 integrity and absolutely love it. I had the auto bit im annoyed by closing autos, so here we are. I also dislike buttonlocks. All in all, its a sweet model, but its sad how quick it folds. Love your videos
@@the_swinging_axe I’m hoping with all the sales PT now has a few bucks to invest into a more robust plunger. We got Microtech to overhaul the Ram Loc, so why not?
Watched a bunch of your vids and it looks like your fixing alot of companys products. For the price of a protech they should have this fixed already. To be honest tho protechs are more of just nice box cutters and things like that. Most ppl who own them dont really use them and they dont have a scratch on them, you wouldnt want to wear down your hair widdling edge 😂. Any protechs i have are just for edc light tasks and there good for that. You want something with a solid lock i go for fixed or cold steel or even spyderco. Good content and subbed.
Really like and appreciate your videos. You have influenced several of my purchases and thoughts. I noticed in this video that you wear your watch in a way that could be considered backwards, what is the reason for doing this?
I will fully restore them (at my own expense) as soon as Pro Tech makes a better version of the plunger lock. Until then, they will be prominently featured in my videos about button locks.
By far, the strongest, most dependable button lock is the Flavio Ikoma designed Deadlock. CRKT uses this design in the Fossil Small Flipper, the Seismic, the Bot and the Fossil Flipper. Other companies could improve their folders by using this design.
@@mantaray2239 Good point. I have 2 knives with the Deadlock by CRKT. I don’t throw them into the plunger lock category even though they are button activated. I shall be more specific in the future to distinguish between various locks that use buttons.
@@CuttingBoardRx Of course you are right about the different mechanisms. I just wish the virtues of the Flavio Deadlock was recognized by higher-end knife companies like Zero Tolerance, Microtech or Chris Reeve. etc. I would love to own a ZT0562, for instance, with a deadlock. IMHO, it's the best lock out there.
It's actually the 4th protech with a thumbstud. The first is the original tr3 integrity frame lock, then the tr4 manual, then the tr5 lerch, then back to the new integrity. Going full circle is why it's named integrity, plus it's part of protech's motto
What an interesting fix! If I understand your comments, the same amount of force exerted by something like a hydraulic press wouldn't open the lock. Is that correct? Also, you attribute the improvement to dampening, implying that it is absorbing the shock in the same way that a rubber stabilizer might. However, the fact that the orings touch the body of the knife brings in another factor: increased friction inside the lock. Couldn't it be that the pressure is helping to hold the lock closed? Or would the orings work as well if the thumb studs were farther away from the scales? I suppose though, going along with your explanation, that the contact with the scales is what actually dampened the vibration inside the knife. If the groove that receives the pin were chamfered as you mention, so that there was more connection would it be less likely to fail? (Kinda like, it's hard to get head-butted if your head is up against theirs. 😀)
Do you believe you would yield the same results with Microtech stitch auto or socom? They have pretty robust plunge looks with much greater surface area for lock up.
I just can’t see myself spending 150$+ on a button lock. They’re so prone to failure and I know I’m not the only one who thinks they just “feel” cheaper as well. Great video brother. You’re videos are always the highlight of my day
Okay so I went in a different direction lmao . You’re a machinist and I thought you were going to dazzle us with some machines! Can you explain? Ahhh okay. Knives I can’t afford have the oring tech
@@CuttingBoardRxhe stands on 1 hand and flips the knives open and closed 200 x He isn’t the only one that uses this term. So the o ring acts like a shock absorber. I don’t have a Chris Reeves knife just way out of my price range so I didn’t expect to see O Rings. Plus they’re relatively cheap to replace. Very nice
I did, none of my automatic OTS knives from any brand failed. The torsion spring is always in compression, even when the blade is fully opened, so the part of the shock transfers to it and is therefore dampened.
Just spend 50 bucks on a Sencut Serene and call it a day! 😆 Great video bro as always thanks for being a real MF'er in a world of full of Snake Oil Salesmen!!! 💪
@@CuttingBoardRx No, this was the first whack (the metal drop whack, not your hand whacks) before you put bumpers on it. Look at the video in slow motion and you'll see it.
@@CuttingBoardRx You can see the piece landing near the testing machine at around 15:08. It looks like the piece flew out from the knife when the strike unlocked it, but maybe it came from the machine.
@@CuttingBoardRx Stop the video at 15:08 and look straight down from the left side of your logo. When you struck the knife a small piece of something landed on the table near the machine.
Единственный про-тек к кторому душа лежит это мануальный tr3 с титановым фреймлоком. Так желею что не купил, когда была возможность... Баттон лок ассоциируется с дешёвыми выкидухами из ларька, недолговечностью и неуверенностью в надёжности замка.
I still have to disagree with the whole premise of making button locks out to be something they aren't. They are not designed to handle the spine test you are doing to them and I don't think they are misleading or doing a bad job with production. This is like taking a Honda Civic rock climbing. It is an economy car, not a rock crawler, built for light duty tasks. Just because a Civic can't climb a rock, does not make it a bad car. Some viewers might think you are throwing all knives into the same category, and I don't think they should be. Love the channel. Interested to hear your thoughts on my analogy.
@@ct2368 I was going to say that I hate car analogies as they are inapplicable to something like a knife. But then I realized that I made a car analogy in this very video. 🤣 Lock is a security and a safety feature on a knife and on a car door, for that matter. If either of them unlocks un-commanded by a user, it’s a failure. 80 lbs or 356 Newtons force is not excessive as a 50th percentile male and and pretty much any female can exxsert it in a back slap motion. (My mom could anyway when I talked back 🤣🥲) The name for a lock that doesn’t stay locked is “detent” and nothing stops PT from calling it that! I appreciate all comments, as long as they are not filtered out by algorithms as that requires me to go on the app and unfilter them as time is precious.
No one expects it to stand up to the same torture tests as a BK-9. If you want to chop down a tree, bring an axe or a chain saw. It's a button lock folder, you take it out open it, cut stuff, fold it back up and put it back in your pocket. Millions of old Fudds walking around today with slip joint pocketknives that have no locking mechanism at all that work just fine within their limits. They cut just fine.
@@CuttingBoardRx i have been looking at the TR 4 with the same skull inlay... the only part i dont like about the TR 4 is the safety switch. i understand and appreciate its purpose but personally would live to see an option without the switch. awesome video brother, love your content🤘
@CuttingBoardRx ? Nobody sells knives like cars. You see reviews by the most popular knife reviewers and that's it. The lock strength tests out of the box have been proven to be wrong. It was a trend and it was quickly stopped due to the understanding of how locks ACTUALLY work and can fail. I don't buy a Corolla and expect it to go offroad. Or be able to handle a 200 shot of NOS. Which is basically what you're doing by dropping a weight on a blade. It's entertaining to see what a knife can do. But I would never base a knife purchase off an extreme test that's not realistic use. The crazy thing is some people will look at this and not buy a knife because of it.
No knife can do everything... that's a terrible comment. Folding knives are only meant for certain things as are fixed blades. Use the right tool for the job... is a historical quote and for a reason...
@@SMS2884 I am always blown away by the concept of a lock and spine wacks... because I have been carrying a knife since before middle school... and I cannot think of how many times I've had to wack a knife on the spine... I mean... I think they should all be able to drive a screw then... and pry and not dull or take damage... I mean it's just ridiculous. If it's that important... carry a Balisong... technically... they cannot fold on fingers... unless you let go... but then your hand isn't in the way
@@chrisreuther4546 Lock strength out of the box has been shown to be weaker in some cases. It depends on the lock tolerance from the factory. Some designs need break in. Others do not. This has been shown on Jareds website. Hence why they STOPPED doing this when they do out of the box reviews. I owned knives new that out of the box wouldn't pass this test. After about a month of use, would.
@@TheBeater2382 If only I could make a buck every time I get this exact comment, I would be able to afford a replacement Malibu by the end of the year😂🤣
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Who’s up for this? Is TR-3 Integrity worth over $200? Your thoughts…
Not for me. Thanks for your honest review.
@ Sure thing, plenty of great knives out there!
I mean mine has already cut me out of a car accident so for me I think it is. Real world application is important
I sold my antique relic the same day it arrived. It was nice but I knew I wouldn’t end up carrying it. Grabbed a battle black eklipse Bowie from southern edge as soon as I sold it which was quick.
Nope not worth the price.
I enjoy your vids very much, I really relate to you as I spent a lifetime dealing with people who were not up on specifics and being a Engineer I wanted facts down to the atom. Keep up the great reviews,they make my day
@@noway-yw5gk Salesmen hate me. But without the engineers, they would still be selling round rocks and sharpened sticks walking from cave to cave…
Thanks for all the tests!
@@cwsmith17 Thanks for subscribing and commenting!
Love your videos sir! I love that you buy theese yourself and are not trying to sell me stuff. I collect knives. I have 3 small kids 2 car payments and a mortgage. I cant always run out and buy expensive knives. I love that you give the nitty-gritty. Sho what they can take and pretty much hold the companies accountable on hrc and heat treats. Keep doing your thing!
And if im saving for a pro tech, its sure going to be an auto.
That's a lot of money to be smashing with an arbor press! Thanks CBRx!
@@matthewf1979 I’m certifiably nutz
You can tell you put a lot of thought and effort into these types of videos. Very interesting stuff for us knife nerds 😂
My brother, where are you from? You sound like my dad. I really enjoyed listening to you throughout the video.
@@DanAndreiVladut I’m from Ukraine
@@CuttingBoardRxI once went to an Ukrainian doctor. She was the most level headed person I ever met.
Hey I just wanted to add on, a number 36 oring will work if you prefer freedom units.
Would be cool for you to test your lock strength contraption on other locking mechanisms like liner locks/frame locks because it would really test proper lock-face geometry. They can fail as much or as often as hands free
Well, looking at these comments, seems you've stirred up more controversy. That's what I like about this channel !
I think most of us would like our carry knife to be able to handle whatever we encounter. At the same time, very rarely encounter anything more than tape, cardboard, line/rope, ziptie or plastic wrap. If you think locks don't need to hold up get a slip joint. If it needs to be expensive, there are quite a few that cost too much.
BTW the o-ring solution is a helpful tip !
Huh... well how about that.
I can't say I understand the mechanics of the "fix" you discovered, but I sure understand the results. Fascinating.
Shock transfers from object to object via a vector called Impulse. Impulse depends on the velocity of object 1 and firmness of both surfaces. Think of dropping a tennis ball onto asphalt vs. carpet laying on the same spot. The input force is the same: the mass of the ball. The outcome is drastically different. Introducing an a dampening material, such as elastic ring, dampens he the impulse, reducing the shock transferred into the mechanism. Great question! Thanks!
@@CuttingBoardRx Okay, that makes sense to me. I guess we found the limits of my high-school education haha.
Thank you for taking the time to explain it to me.
I enjoy these kind of questions!
I’m guessing o rings on the thumbs stud! Maybe providing a dampening effect in the studs to the chassis.
@@99.Blades 😁
I have a manual tr4 with a single thumb stud
Rare bird
I love my TR 3. The first high quality knife I ever bought
I have the auto version
@@butchcassidy3373 Funny story: I was looking at Benchmade Claymore at a shop and the salesman was warning me to be careful because how hard it snaps open. I let him try that tuxedo ATCF I had on me that day to let him know what snappy feels like.
I just got the tr3 integrity and absolutely love it. I had the auto bit im annoyed by closing autos, so here we are. I also dislike buttonlocks. All in all, its a sweet model, but its sad how quick it folds. Love your videos
@@the_swinging_axe I’m hoping with all the sales PT now has a few bucks to invest into a more robust plunger. We got Microtech to overhaul the Ram Loc, so why not?
Watched a bunch of your vids and it looks like your fixing alot of companys products. For the price of a protech they should have this fixed already. To be honest tho protechs are more of just nice box cutters and things like that. Most ppl who own them dont really use them and they dont have a scratch on them, you wouldnt want to wear down your hair widdling edge 😂. Any protechs i have are just for edc light tasks and there good for that. You want something with a solid lock i go for fixed or cold steel or even spyderco. Good content and subbed.
Thanks for subscribing!
Really like and appreciate your videos. You have influenced several of my purchases and thoughts. I noticed in this video that you wear your watch in a way that could be considered backwards, what is the reason for doing this?
Tears for the broken Protecs.😢
I will fully restore them (at my own expense) as soon as Pro Tech makes a better version of the plunger lock. Until then, they will be prominently featured in my videos about button locks.
By far, the strongest, most dependable button lock is the Flavio Ikoma designed Deadlock. CRKT uses this design in the Fossil Small Flipper, the Seismic, the Bot and the Fossil Flipper. Other companies could improve their folders by using this design.
@@mantaray2239 Good point. I have 2 knives with the Deadlock by CRKT. I don’t throw them into the plunger lock category even though they are button activated. I shall be more specific in the future to distinguish between various locks that use buttons.
@@CuttingBoardRx Of course you are right about the different mechanisms. I just wish the virtues of the Flavio Deadlock was recognized by higher-end knife companies like Zero Tolerance, Microtech or Chris Reeve. etc. I would love to own a ZT0562, for instance, with a deadlock. IMHO, it's the best lock out there.
@ The reason they aren’t more popular is that KneeTriComplex can’t flick them as effectively on the screen.
It's actually the 4th protech with a thumbstud. The first is the original tr3 integrity frame lock, then the tr4 manual, then the tr5 lerch, then back to the new integrity. Going full circle is why it's named integrity, plus it's part of protech's motto
YOu broke my heart is what you did abusing those knives
All for the greater good 👍
What an interesting fix! If I understand your comments, the same amount of force exerted by something like a hydraulic press wouldn't open the lock. Is that correct?
Also, you attribute the improvement to dampening, implying that it is absorbing the shock in the same way that a rubber stabilizer might. However, the fact that the orings touch the body of the knife brings in another factor: increased friction inside the lock. Couldn't it be that the pressure is helping to hold the lock closed? Or would the orings work as well if the thumb studs were farther away from the scales?
I suppose though, going along with your explanation, that the contact with the scales is what actually dampened the vibration inside the knife.
If the groove that receives the pin were chamfered as you mention, so that there was more connection would it be less likely to fail? (Kinda like, it's hard to get head-butted if your head is up against theirs. 😀)
Do you believe you would yield the same results with Microtech stitch auto or socom? They have pretty robust plunge looks with much greater surface area for lock up.
@@Natalia-Johansson I don’t think you watched this entire video. The answer is already in there
I just can’t see myself spending 150$+ on a button lock. They’re so prone to failure and I know I’m not the only one who thinks they just “feel” cheaper as well. Great video brother. You’re videos are always the highlight of my day
Have you tested Spyderco's compression lock before?
Hi CB, they also call the flaring near the plunge grind a smile FYI. Are you going to use a thumb stud for a stop pin. After machining it to size?
@@MrCaissed close…
Smiley face is Neeves term. I don’t see it. Maybe a frowny face? I guess it depends from where you looking from…
Okay so I went in a different direction lmao . You’re a machinist and I thought you were going to dazzle us with some machines! Can you explain? Ahhh okay. Knives I can’t afford have the oring tech
@@CuttingBoardRxhe stands on 1 hand and flips the knives open and closed 200 x
He isn’t the only one that uses this term.
So the o ring acts like a shock absorber. I don’t have a Chris Reeves knife just way out of my price range so I didn’t expect to see O Rings. Plus they’re relatively cheap to replace. Very nice
@ an upside down inverted version of a frown 😂
@@MrCaissed You are now my bff: anyone laughing at my jokes is automatically a friend!
Interesting test, have you tried it on a standard TR-3 ? The auto version I mean
I did, none of my automatic OTS knives from any brand failed. The torsion spring is always in compression, even when the blade is fully opened, so the part of the shock transfers to it and is therefore dampened.
Oh nice, I have a few protechs so I was curious. Just not curious enough to drop an arbor press on them lol
@jski1990 See? I do this… so you don’t have to!
I think regular button locks are obsolete now that button liner locks are a thing.
Just spend 50 bucks on a Sencut Serene and call it a day! 😆 Great video bro as always thanks for being a real MF'er in a world of full of Snake Oil Salesmen!!! 💪
I thought I saw a little piece of something go flying on the first whack.
@@N2EWSRadio was it the rubber bumper?
@@CuttingBoardRx No, this was the first whack (the metal drop whack, not your hand whacks) before you put bumpers on it. Look at the video in slow motion and you'll see it.
@@CuttingBoardRx You can see the piece landing near the testing machine at around 15:08. It looks like the piece flew out from the knife when the strike unlocked it, but maybe it came from the machine.
@ I see a shadow from my hand. But I’ll check the machine out. The knife is in my pocket as we speak and it’s all there.
@@CuttingBoardRx Stop the video at 15:08 and look straight down from the left side of your logo. When you struck the knife a small piece of something landed on the table near the machine.
Единственный про-тек к кторому душа лежит это мануальный tr3 с титановым фреймлоком. Так желею что не купил, когда была возможность...
Баттон лок ассоциируется с дешёвыми выкидухами из ларька, недолговечностью и неуверенностью в надёжности замка.
@@Hjalt нож красивый но не очень интересный.
I still have to disagree with the whole premise of making button locks out to be something they aren't. They are not designed to handle the spine test you are doing to them and I don't think they are misleading or doing a bad job with production. This is like taking a Honda Civic rock climbing. It is an economy car, not a rock crawler, built for light duty tasks. Just because a Civic can't climb a rock, does not make it a bad car. Some viewers might think you are throwing all knives into the same category, and I don't think they should be. Love the channel. Interested to hear your thoughts on my analogy.
@@ct2368 I was going to say that I hate car analogies as they are inapplicable to something like a knife. But then I realized that I made a car analogy in this very video. 🤣
Lock is a security and a safety feature on a knife and on a car door, for that matter. If either of them unlocks un-commanded by a user, it’s a failure. 80 lbs or 356 Newtons force is not excessive as a 50th percentile male and and pretty much any female can exxsert it in a back slap motion. (My mom could anyway when I talked back 🤣🥲)
The name for a lock that doesn’t stay locked is “detent” and nothing stops PT from calling it that!
I appreciate all comments, as long as they are not filtered out by algorithms as that requires me to go on the app and unfilter them as time is precious.
No one expects it to stand up to the same torture tests as a BK-9. If you want to chop down a tree, bring an axe or a chain saw. It's a button lock folder, you take it out open it, cut stuff, fold it back up and put it back in your pocket. Millions of old Fudds walking around today with slip joint pocketknives that have no locking mechanism at all that work just fine within their limits. They cut just fine.
i love that TR 3 auto with the skull inlay!
so sick!
@@Untilthetraptakesus that scull is supposed to be actual silver!
@@CuttingBoardRx i have been looking at the TR 4 with the same skull inlay... the only part i dont like about the TR 4 is the safety switch. i understand and appreciate its purpose but personally would live to see an option without the switch.
awesome video brother,
love your content🤘
@Untilthetraptakesus thanks for subscribing and commenting!
Ah yes, Another lock test that means nothing out of the box...
@@SMS2884 You do realize that’s the line the knife salesmen are feeding and you’re snapping it hook line and sinker?
@CuttingBoardRx ? Nobody sells knives like cars. You see reviews by the most popular knife reviewers and that's it. The lock strength tests out of the box have been proven to be wrong. It was a trend and it was quickly stopped due to the understanding of how locks ACTUALLY work and can fail. I don't buy a Corolla and expect it to go offroad. Or be able to handle a 200 shot of NOS. Which is basically what you're doing by dropping a weight on a blade. It's entertaining to see what a knife can do. But I would never base a knife purchase off an extreme test that's not realistic use. The crazy thing is some people will look at this and not buy a knife because of it.
@ Thanks for watching and commenting.
No knife can do everything... that's a terrible comment. Folding knives are only meant for certain things as are fixed blades. Use the right tool for the job... is a historical quote and for a reason...
@@chrisreuther4546 Disagree. Look at Demko locks…
@@CuttingBoardRx Why go with a folder then?
@@chrisreuther4546 It's just entertainment at this point. By that logic all folders NEED to be a SHARK lock or they are garbage.
@@SMS2884 I am always blown away by the concept of a lock and spine wacks... because I have been carrying a knife since before middle school... and I cannot think of how many times I've had to wack a knife on the spine... I mean... I think they should all be able to drive a screw then... and pry and not dull or take damage... I mean it's just ridiculous. If it's that important... carry a Balisong... technically... they cannot fold on fingers... unless you let go... but then your hand isn't in the way
@@chrisreuther4546 Lock strength out of the box has been shown to be weaker in some cases. It depends on the lock tolerance from the factory. Some designs need break in. Others do not. This has been shown on Jareds website. Hence why they STOPPED doing this when they do out of the box reviews. I owned knives new that out of the box wouldn't pass this test. After about a month of use, would.
Once you're used to fixed blades you never go back to those folders.
I’m trying to carry pocket fixed blades and am finding out that not a single company makes a sheath that suits this niche. Even when they claim so.
It's a plunge lock. If you're beating the shit out of a button lock maybe you should buy a fixed blade
@@TheBeater2382 If only I could make a buck every time I get this exact comment, I would be able to afford a replacement Malibu by the end of the year😂🤣