Good video. There is also the old push and pull technique and the twist your wrists technique ( Robert Vogel). In my opinion, as a shooter that shoots IPSC since 1992 , all the energy that you put into a firm grip during a longer period of time might have impact on your performance in a negative way because it becomes another factor that you will have to control. It also affects your Triggerfinger’s ability to flex . I just hold the gun and try to use the same , little, amount of force with my weak hand as with my strong hand and let the muzzle rise and come back. Springs and load ( and comp) will do the rest for me
I like how you don't stay stuck but are constantly evolving and seeking a better way, incidentally and I'm sure you have mentioned this. Everyone will adapt the best method for themselves. We just need to find out what it is. Thanks for showing this.
Both an interesting and logical concept. Ill have to experiment with this idea more. I used to shoot with a firm but relatively relaxed support hand grip and then became convinced by the overwhelming momentum of “expert training videos” that I needed a death grip on the pistol when firing. But, I find that maintaining a death grip while focusing on the trigger press is a very difficult thing to do and not necessarily consistent with regard to bullet impact. It took a long time for me to understand the application of the “C” clamp strong hand grip, but I’m an absolute believer in it at this point; however, I am still fidgeting with support hand grip and grip pressure trying to find the ideal application. Looks like others are too…
I ran into quite a few issues with over gripping my gun. I watched a Ben Stoeger video a while back and he explained letting the gun do what it wants and that made a good amount of sense to me. Basically at this point in my shooting (USPSA A maybe sandbagging a bit lol) any tension felt anywhere is my body is bad for me. Dialing back on my grip improved my splits, transitions and movement a lot.
It depends on many variables. Which gun ? What caliber ? What mods you have on ? Your hands size and shape ? Are you wearing gloves ? Your arms size and ape index. Your whole body size. Try different things, listen to different expert takes then find the best way that works for you.
You explained this PERFECTLY! As a instructor I’m always looking for better ways to convey information to my students. This was amazing man, kick ass job brother
Jeff Cooper addressed the two types of anticipation, flinch and post ignition push. The novice may suffer flinch more than the experienced shooter but post ignition push, generally part of "driving" the gun, is the active component of controlling muzzle flip.
I absolutely crush my grip and torque in super hard on the sides, after watching this I am going to play around with different things. I hold the gun really weird though so it might require alot of retraining if i find it to be more consistent.
I have gotten back into pistols recently and appreciate this video. I still have retained a lot of my pistol marksmanship but have been trying to philosophize the strong grip vs the relaxed but consistent grip. It's especially apparent to me with red dots that stronger but less consistent grips can be detrimental to dot tracking. So I think I want work towards just having a relaxed grip. Thanks again!
Great explanation between the differences of recoil and muzzle flip/rise, and how stance and grip affects them, and about recoil anticipation (more correctly, muzzle rise anticipation 😉). Great video overall.
I consider myself a newish shooter. I purchased my first new handgun in ‘75. I was a very active shooter and hand loader in the ‘70’s and ‘80’s, although I was never professionally trained. I don’t hand load anymore, who has the time? I had not fired a handgun in 30+ years and picked it up again 2 years ago; this time with a coach. My recent training has been focused exclusively on “point shooting”, generally from 15 feet. Tonight was my first “iron sight” shooting session, which I understand will be primarily from 50 feet. My sight shooting pistol is a hammer fired CZ compact. The sights of my G-19 will always remain covered with black tape. I find a lot of your handgun content somewhat unique. I haven’t seen content like in this video anywhere else, yet I’ve been drilling with this grip concept for the past two years. Two years ago I was introduced to the c-clamp grip, using just my middle finger and thumb. When shooting two handed, my support hand is used just for support, using minimal pressure. Whenever I start dropping hits low and left, I’m coached to point the last two fingers of my dominant hand off the grip and forward, and my performance always improves when circumstances require this. I sense that after my awareness expands sufficiently, I will be able to modify my grip technique without comprising performance if I’m inclined to. It’s my experience that the muzzle will naturally return to its original position after firing. I’ve performed many drills with a single round in the chamber, no magazine and just minimal contact with the pistol to demonstrate this. I’ve also been introduced to the concept of using muzzle flip to assist trigger manipulation for rapid followup shots...I’m not there consistently just yet. Thanks for an awesome video!
Way to grow! I'm glad I ain't the only one who's relearning this. I'm as good of a shooter as I want o be bit always lookkng to learn more. Thank You for the new perspective.
I find the tighter the grip the more passive the recoil anticipation can be and allowing the gun to settle back on target since it returns quicker and more accurately. I think it also depends on the over travel after the break of the trigger.
When you shoot a Nemesis, you don’t need to crush it very much. That gun returns to zero so we’ll. For a plastic gun I find I need to apply more vice pressure. Great video and explanation.
You repeatedly say "in a vacuum". I believe you mean to say "in space" / "in weightlessness" or "in freefall". The idea being "if I removed all other forces acting on the gun", not "if I removed gas pressure". Your thoughts are perfectly comprehensible, but you might want to rephrase that in the future. Thank you for the video!
I wonder about the long term in shooting technique as well. Some guys use a huge amount of isometric tension to good effect. Some guys also get tendonitis and carpal tunnel after awhile, which seems like the result of excess force
Good point. We’ve heard about some shooters having finger/grip issues as they get older, which might be correlated with the grip and pressure they were using.
You can effectively treat tendonitis and carpal tunnel symptoms by stretching, and rolling by a fascia roll (not kidding). Just bend your wrist for 90° and then stretch for 2 min. (this will stretch your forearm). Afterwards, do the other side of the wrist (same hand). It may feel a little bit unpleasant at the first moment, but the symptoms will disappear if you perform those exercises regularly. Rolling slowly with a fascia roll from wrist to ❤will also ease the pain (pain receptors are in the fascia tissue directly under the skin). See also RUclips vids by Liebscher and Bracht, on German, use automatic translation). Stretching and rolling normally helps for every joint/back pain (my experience). Leaning forward, arms stretched completely, tight grip and turning wrist/hand outwards (-> more tension on forearm) improved my results significantly 👍
Excellent and informative way of explaining the aspects of recoil and how to counterbalance the action with proper reaction. Always, it's great when you can bring Newtons laws of force into the discussion. To bad science class wasn't taught this way in high school! :))
Hallo I have many of your vid.and hope u keep the good job going.i get u for the grip because I have made a hybrid grip of my own design.my hobby is ipsc.
I have a condition called Cubital Tunnel Syndrome. It's like Carpal Tunnel, but that affects the thumb and pointer finger and middle finger, but Cubital affects the ring and pinky finger. Of course, it's in my right arm, my dominant arm. I had it diagnosed a few years ago; they said it wasn't bad enough to need surgery yet. The Ulnar nerve gets pinched in my elbow, and my ring and little finger will become numb and weak sometimes. I wear this brace on my arm when I sleep, that holds my elbow at the correct angle to relieve the pressure on the nerve in my elbow. I guess it helps. Lately I've been wondering if that could affect my pistol shooting. It definitely makes it harder for me to hit the mag release button sometimes. I can reach the button, but pushing it can be difficult. I got an extended brass paddle for my CZ Shadow 2, and people give me a hard time because they say I must have tiny hands lol
Good instruction on this vid, could u also specify ur weight & height? I’m sure that has a lot to do with recoil etc. I’m thinking a 250 pound man vs a 150 pound man would have different recoil results??
Great video. If you haven't done so yet, I recommend that you read Brian Enos' book Practical Shooting: Beyond Fundamentals. It's an amazing eye-opening book that takes a deep dive on topics like the one in this video.
Hi myles.can I ask your opinion about my design for the grip.i made as I said a hybrid between a normal grip and a precision one.shoots faster and accurate.maybe u have an idea how to make it a product.thanks
Good video. There is also the old push and pull technique and the twist your wrists technique ( Robert Vogel). In my opinion, as a shooter that shoots IPSC since 1992 , all the energy that you put into a firm grip during a longer period of time might have impact on your performance in a negative way because it becomes another factor that you will have to control. It also affects your Triggerfinger’s ability to flex . I just hold the gun and try to use the same , little, amount of force with my weak hand as with my strong hand and let the muzzle rise and come back. Springs and load ( and comp) will do the rest for me
I like how you don't stay stuck but are constantly evolving and seeking a better way, incidentally and I'm sure you have mentioned this. Everyone will adapt the best method for themselves. We just need to find out what it is. Thanks for showing this.
Both an interesting and logical concept. Ill have to experiment with this idea more.
I used to shoot with a firm but relatively relaxed support hand grip and then became convinced by the overwhelming momentum of “expert training videos” that I needed a death grip on the pistol when firing. But, I find that maintaining a death grip while focusing on the trigger press is a very difficult thing to do and not necessarily consistent with regard to bullet impact.
It took a long time for me to understand the application of the “C” clamp strong hand grip, but I’m an absolute believer in it at this point; however, I am still fidgeting with support hand grip and grip pressure trying to find the ideal application. Looks like others are too…
I ran into quite a few issues with over gripping my gun. I watched a Ben Stoeger video a while back and he explained letting the gun do what it wants and that made a good amount of sense to me. Basically at this point in my shooting (USPSA A maybe sandbagging a bit lol) any tension felt anywhere is my body is bad for me. Dialing back on my grip improved my splits, transitions and movement a lot.
Great to hear!
It depends on many variables. Which gun ? What caliber ? What mods you have on ? Your hands size and shape ? Are you wearing gloves ? Your arms size and ape index. Your whole body size.
Try different things, listen to different expert takes then find the best way that works for you.
You explained this PERFECTLY! As a instructor I’m always looking for better ways to convey information to my students. This was amazing man, kick ass job brother
Glad you liked it!
My accuracy (and speed) actually improved when I quit trying to crush the pistol with my grip and eased-up a good bit, especially with my strong hand.
Jeff Cooper addressed the two types of anticipation, flinch and post ignition push. The novice may suffer flinch more than the experienced shooter but post ignition push, generally part of "driving" the gun, is the active component of controlling muzzle flip.
I absolutely crush my grip and torque in super hard on the sides, after watching this I am going to play around with different things. I hold the gun really weird though so it might require alot of retraining if i find it to be more consistent.
I highly recommend the Brian Enos book, Practical Shooting Beyond Fundamentals I love the way he talks about grip.
I have gotten back into pistols recently and appreciate this video. I still have retained a lot of my pistol marksmanship but have been trying to philosophize the strong grip vs the relaxed but consistent grip.
It's especially apparent to me with red dots that stronger but less consistent grips can be detrimental to dot tracking. So I think I want work towards just having a relaxed grip.
Thanks again!
Great explanation between the differences of recoil and muzzle flip/rise, and how stance and grip affects them, and about recoil anticipation (more correctly, muzzle rise anticipation 😉). Great video overall.
I consider myself a newish shooter. I purchased my first new handgun in ‘75. I was a very active shooter and hand loader in the ‘70’s and ‘80’s, although I was never professionally trained. I don’t hand load anymore, who has the time?
I had not fired a handgun in 30+ years and picked it up again 2 years ago; this time with a coach.
My recent training has been focused exclusively on “point shooting”, generally from 15 feet. Tonight was my first “iron sight” shooting session, which I understand will be primarily from 50 feet. My sight shooting pistol is a hammer fired CZ compact. The sights of my G-19 will always remain covered with black tape.
I find a lot of your handgun content somewhat unique. I haven’t seen content like in this video anywhere else, yet I’ve been drilling with this grip concept for the past two years.
Two years ago I was introduced to the c-clamp grip, using just my middle finger and thumb. When shooting two handed, my support hand is used just for support, using minimal pressure.
Whenever I start dropping hits low and left, I’m coached to point the last two fingers of my dominant hand off the grip and forward, and my performance always improves when circumstances require this.
I sense that after my awareness expands sufficiently, I will be able to modify my grip technique without comprising performance if I’m inclined to.
It’s my experience that the muzzle will naturally return to its original position after firing. I’ve performed many drills with a single round in the chamber, no magazine and just minimal contact with the pistol to demonstrate this. I’ve also been introduced to the concept of using muzzle flip to assist trigger manipulation for rapid followup shots...I’m not there consistently just yet.
Thanks for an awesome video!
What a GREAT video!! I felt that I was right there with you and you were my personal instructor!
Glad you like it!
Way to grow! I'm glad I ain't the only one who's relearning this. I'm as good of a shooter as I want o be bit always lookkng to learn more. Thank You for the new perspective.
Thank you. You have explained some things for me today that were never discussed in other schools that I have attended.
Thank you. I do like the passive response although I am new to the sport and have a ways to go to grasp the concepts.
Q: What is the difference between "timing the gun" and "flinching"?
A: About a thousandth of a second.
I find the tighter the grip the more passive the recoil anticipation can be and allowing the gun to settle back on target since it returns quicker and more accurately. I think it also depends on the over travel after the break of the trigger.
When you shoot a Nemesis, you don’t need to crush it very much. That gun returns to zero so we’ll. For a plastic gun I find I need to apply more vice pressure. Great video and explanation.
Thanks for sharing man. Always enjoy your tips
Enjoy your channel, this was extremely helpful!
When people start getting this I find they really start to grasp the fundamentals as a whole
Hey Myles can you do another video like this on recoil control, and grip for women with micro pistols
You repeatedly say "in a vacuum".
I believe you mean to say "in space" / "in weightlessness" or "in freefall". The idea being "if I removed all other forces acting on the gun", not "if I removed gas pressure". Your thoughts are perfectly comprehensible, but you might want to rephrase that in the future.
Thank you for the video!
Thanks for the correction.
I wonder about the long term in shooting technique as well. Some guys use a huge amount of isometric tension to good effect. Some guys also get tendonitis and carpal tunnel after awhile, which seems like the result of excess force
Good point. We’ve heard about some shooters having finger/grip issues as they get older, which might be correlated with the grip and pressure they were using.
You can effectively treat tendonitis and carpal tunnel symptoms by stretching, and rolling by a fascia roll (not kidding). Just bend your wrist for 90° and then stretch for 2 min. (this will stretch your forearm). Afterwards, do the other side of the wrist (same hand). It may feel a little bit unpleasant at the first moment, but the symptoms will disappear if you perform those exercises regularly. Rolling slowly with a fascia roll from wrist to ❤will also ease the pain (pain receptors are in the fascia tissue directly under the skin). See also RUclips vids by Liebscher and Bracht, on German, use automatic translation). Stretching and rolling normally helps for every joint/back pain (my experience).
Leaning forward, arms stretched completely, tight grip and turning wrist/hand outwards (-> more tension on forearm) improved my results significantly 👍
Or even tremors.
Very well said my friend, sweet content as always
Needed that bro. Recently put my pistol suck on notice
Good info has always, thank you for your videos.
Excellent and informative way of explaining the aspects of recoil and how to counterbalance the action with proper reaction.
Always, it's great when you can bring Newtons laws of force into the discussion. To bad science class wasn't taught this way in high school! :))
always excellent content brother !!!!
Great info, thanks
Hallo I have many of your vid.and hope u keep the good job going.i get u for the grip because I have made a hybrid grip of my own design.my hobby is ipsc.
I have a condition called Cubital Tunnel Syndrome. It's like Carpal Tunnel, but that affects the thumb and pointer finger and middle finger, but Cubital affects the ring and pinky finger. Of course, it's in my right arm, my dominant arm. I had it diagnosed a few years ago; they said it wasn't bad enough to need surgery yet. The Ulnar nerve gets pinched in my elbow, and my ring and little finger will become numb and weak sometimes. I wear this brace on my arm when I sleep, that holds my elbow at the correct angle to relieve the pressure on the nerve in my elbow. I guess it helps.
Lately I've been wondering if that could affect my pistol shooting. It definitely makes it harder for me to hit the mag release button sometimes. I can reach the button, but pushing it can be difficult. I got an extended brass paddle for my CZ Shadow 2, and people give me a hard time because they say I must have tiny hands lol
Thanks!
You bet! Thanks for the donation! Just seeing this!
Everything old is new again. Brian Enos "Beyond Fundamentals"
Good instruction on this vid, could u also specify ur weight & height? I’m sure that has a lot to do with recoil etc. I’m thinking a 250 pound man vs a 150 pound man would have different recoil results??
Great video. If you haven't done so yet, I recommend that you read Brian Enos' book Practical Shooting: Beyond Fundamentals. It's an amazing eye-opening book that takes a deep dive on topics like the one in this video.
Wow cool 😎
Great tips Myles 👌 Do you have a gas pedal on your pistol?
Thanks! He doesn’t use a gas pedal.
What pistol is that?
Stay firsty my friends 👍
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Hi myles.can I ask your opinion about my design for the grip.i made as I said a hybrid between a normal grip and a precision one.shoots faster and accurate.maybe u have an idea how to make it a product.thanks
You can email us at info@tacticalhyve.com and we will forward your message to him.
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