Thank you for calling it what it is, point shooting! There is literally a history of how this technique was created and furthered through training. And thank you for reminding people that it is a skill that can only be developed through repetitions and personal training. So many “Talking Heads“ and self proclaimed social media “experts“ love to bash point shooting. It is very easy to spot those who have probably never trained force on force, or even been in a situation where they were in a split second self-defense scenario. Those who have trained in force on force scenarios fully understand that it is virtually impossible to react to an instant and imminent threat, then line up your sights or optics to make your initial shots. And I absolutely love when those same Talking Heads try to argue with that theory, with absolutely zero experience or training on the topic. It absolutely separates those who know and those who think they know. Let the butt hurt and deep feelings commence! Lol And please don’t even comment to this if you’ve never trained force on force, your opinion literally means nothing on the topic!
Love Coch's insight. Point shooting is a valuable skill to understand - sometimes there may not be time to focus on the front sight, especially for those using iron sights
Coch is my favorite out if the T Hyve fam. He dumped a few shots on the cold run. The longer shots took a toll on his psyche. You can see it. But, Coch was tuned up. Coch got in the zone.
Thanks for the great video. I'm in charge of our Chapel Safety Team firearms training. A couple of months ago I had everyone tape up their sights. After I demonstarted what I wanted and let them practice individually in front of me, they all did better than with their sights out to 30 ft. We were indoors and started from the low ready. We are almost all veterans and all of us 65 or much older. Thanks
I recommend finding the nearest “Speed on Steel” match. Great way to learn a: point shooting, b: front sight only shooting, c: both sight aimed shooting, d: when each is appropriate.
Something that I did was take a training session on my own and just work on 25-30 yards. Only shooting 50-100 rounds at a time. You go slow, and use your sights. You also control the muzzle more for a more accurate shot. The tighter the groups at that range the better the groups at close range with no aiming. When you bring the targets in you feel like you don't have to aim as much because you are use to a greater muzzle control or smaller circles for aiming. However you have to break the habit of taking longer to aim. That usually doesn't take as long. Myles you are great in these videos!!! Thanks!!!
It will take about 10,000 reps to get proficient with it. Doesn't happen overnight. You have been doing it so long that you do it in your sleep. You may have actually done it in your sleep. Practice, practice, practice. As Wyatt Earp said "Take your time in a hurry". Laser targets at home saves money. Great Video!!!
Probably my favorite youtube channel. Coch is the best. Thanks for the free info as always gentlemen. I always rarely used my sights when bird hunting now that I think about it. 12G though :P
Just a short message. I retired from LEO several years back. I’ve witnessed huge changes in shooting techniques over the years, techniques that favor law enforcement/military. I wish I could shoot more and attend tactical school schools. I wish law enforcement agencies focused on combat shooting craft more than shooting, (ballet shooting) bullseyes. Thank you for your service. Cary on, keep your head down and your powder dry. USA!
I remember watching an old man who could shoot from the hip better than me using sights and a guy ask him how he could hit the target without aiming, his reply was "I am aiming"
Completely accurate. When thinking back about the cqb we did on the teams, 95% of those engagements, I did not use any sights(did use IR laser though). While thankfully I only had to use my pistol once, the Sig backplate is a perfect box for instinctual shooting - put the box on their body and squeeze off 3 rounds. Great stuff!
Nice vidéo, did just learn about point shooting but was already practicing parts of this technique!! Coming from instinctive archery it is the same: it is not really instinctive but more intuitive and the reps and reps and reps and consistency and good form makes your arrow go were you look!! But yeah you have to learn it it’s not instinctive like you said… love the analogy. Cheers
Anything that gets you out training has value! I don’t shoot competitively (except in my own head 😂), but I like adding speed sometimes to increase “stress” and (if you are moving) getting your heart rate up. I couldn’t help hut notice how stable Coch is on his feet - very solid base when shooting, even when he is moving. Good stuff.
Silly question: with the increase in use of body armour by everyone, why is the A zone still being taught as primary, vs neck or head shots, or even SAS style Mozambican hits?
I really enjoy and gain a lot of knowledge from the hyve,, I can actually listen to the episodes that I want and not have to worry about profanity, we aren't allowed to wear ear buds the boss writes people up for profanity he hears on their listening device and that's one of the many reasons I keep coming back to your channel. Thanks for everything
@Mark Cochiolo lol I have heard you say damn a couple times but nothing overtly vulgar, and trust me I speak 2 languages... English and Vulgar lmao... You said something about being a Sailor , my Dad was a WW2 Navy veteran and i said something about cursing like a Sailor and my Dad looked at me and asked if I thought Sailors cursed worse than anyone else. This is off topic but my Dad told me he got into a fight with a Marine who said something bad about the Old Lady ( the ship) so Dad called him a sea going bellhop and the fight was on. If I remember correctly they both got put in the brig. Cheers
So if the target is less than 3 yards and is a threat then sites may not be needed to get good multiple hits. 5 yards or greater might be a good idea for sights
I realized i could hit the dog in the but from 10 ft with a spray bottle set on stream. Every single time! I pacticed wirh a blow back pellet gun from a holster. From the hip 2 in the chest on a military silhouette target. Every. Single. Time.
Typically, steel targets are installed so they have a slight downward angle. That way, any ricochets get deflected towards the ground instead of back at the shooter.
They don’t ricochet so much as splatter. I’ve had a fragment draw blood. Frangible ammo (compressed metal powder bullets) is a great idea when shooting steel at closer ranges.
If there's flex in the target stand, or a spring mount, or the target face is angled down, or the steel target's hanging from a rope chain, or hook, the most splatter you'll see is about 4-5 yards out from target. And those fragments are dropping to the ground with little remaining energy. If your steel target is mounted on a strong and rigid stand, you'll get a lot more splatter, and farther out. So don't do that. If you're shooting rifle rounds at steel, it's a whole different game. You want to be 100 yards distant at minimum, and you really don't want to mount those targets on a rock hard surface. But most ricochets happen on strongly angled surfaces, and continue to head away, not toward, the shooter. The danger is usually to others, downrange, off to the side, or off-range.
Just buy a cheaply made german .38 special target pistol like my dad did in the late 70's, the rear sights fell off the first time he fired it. Still doesn't have rear sights to this day. Ha ha ha
Nice scenario that folks should add into training. However...Coch should have been using a timer!!! You need to add a stress component and a timer will do that pretty effectively! A timer is important for training regardless if you are training for competition or for self defense. You still need to beat the bad guy and that means doing things faster (in less time) than the bad guy!
He's demonstrating a training point, not trying to improve his own skills. I'm sure that when he's doing his own training, he's got a timer and he's moving and doing all the other stuff to make the practice as transferable to the real world as possible. You know, because former SEAL.
Thank you for calling it what it is, point shooting! There is literally a history of how this technique was created and furthered through training. And thank you for reminding people that it is a skill that can only be developed through repetitions and personal training. So many “Talking Heads“ and self proclaimed social media “experts“ love to bash point shooting. It is very easy to spot those who have probably never trained force on force, or even been in a situation where they were in a split second self-defense scenario. Those who have trained in force on force scenarios fully understand that it is virtually impossible to react to an instant and imminent threat, then line up your sights or optics to make your initial shots. And I absolutely love when those same Talking Heads try to argue with that theory, with absolutely zero experience or training on the topic. It absolutely separates those who know and those who think they know. Let the butt hurt and deep feelings commence! Lol
And please don’t even comment to this if you’ve never trained force on force, your opinion literally means nothing on the topic!
Love Coch's insight. Point shooting is a valuable skill to understand - sometimes there may not be time to focus on the front sight, especially for those using iron sights
Coch is my favorite out if the T Hyve fam. He dumped a few shots on the cold run. The longer shots took a toll on his psyche. You can see it. But, Coch was tuned up. Coch got in the zone.
Thanks for the great video. I'm in charge of our Chapel Safety Team firearms training. A couple of months ago I had everyone tape up their sights. After I demonstarted what I wanted and let them practice individually in front of me, they all did better than with their sights out to 30 ft. We were indoors and started from the low ready. We are almost all veterans and all of us 65 or much older. Thanks
Older vets putting in work!! Love it!!
That's awesome! Keep at it guys! Thank you for your service!
Sounds like you should start inviting the younger generation into your safety team
@@davemichael4808 How do you know he doesn't?
Thanks Guys, Watching Coch, holding form while moving you can realy see the experience , very impressive !
I recommend finding the nearest “Speed on Steel” match. Great way to learn a: point shooting, b: front sight only shooting, c: both sight aimed shooting, d: when each is appropriate.
Something that I did was take a training session on my own and just work on 25-30 yards. Only shooting 50-100 rounds at a time. You go slow, and use your sights. You also control the muzzle more for a more accurate shot. The tighter the groups at that range the better the groups at close range with no aiming. When you bring the targets in you feel like you don't have to aim as much because you are use to a greater muzzle control or smaller circles for aiming. However you have to break the habit of taking longer to aim. That usually doesn't take as long. Myles you are great in these videos!!! Thanks!!!
Excellent information love watching and learning.
It will take about 10,000 reps to get proficient with it. Doesn't happen overnight. You have been doing it so long that you do it in your sleep. You may have actually done it in your sleep. Practice, practice, practice. As Wyatt Earp said "Take your time in a hurry". Laser targets at home saves money. Great Video!!!
Probably my favorite youtube channel. Coch is the best. Thanks for the free info as always gentlemen. I always rarely used my sights when bird hunting now that I think about it. 12G though :P
Just a short message. I retired from LEO several years back. I’ve witnessed huge changes in shooting techniques over the years, techniques that favor law enforcement/military. I wish I could shoot more and attend tactical school schools. I wish law enforcement agencies focused on combat shooting craft more than shooting, (ballet shooting) bullseyes. Thank you for your service. Cary on, keep your head down and your powder dry. USA!
I love this channel. Coch could sell water to a fish! Good stuff. 🇺🇸👍
“Time & distance.” So true. Excellent!
Came for a dose of sanity. You guys deliver yet again. Appreciate ya 🤙
Thats how i started shooting was instinctive point shooting. Didnt even know it was a thing or called that.
Excelente video, felicitaciones!! Son los mejores, desde argentina ciudad de mar del plata excelente 👏👏👏👏👏🎖️🇦🇷
I sure hope Panerai hooked up Coch with their new line of Navy Seal watches!! Cool articles on Forbes and inside hook.
What slide and frame is that 😍 the way that comp tucks is money!
Great video!!!! Thanks for the training video...l have learned a lot from you guys....
Great info on how to get better and figure out what the difference is and what makes the most impact on this skill.
I remember watching an old man who could shoot from the hip better than me using sights and a guy ask him how he could hit the target without aiming, his reply was "I am aiming"
Very informative and well presented. Thanks!
Completely accurate. When thinking back about the cqb we did on the teams, 95% of those engagements, I did not use any sights(did use IR laser though). While thankfully I only had to use my pistol once, the Sig backplate is a perfect box for instinctual shooting - put the box on their body and squeeze off 3 rounds. Great stuff!
Why did you have to use your pistol?
Nice vidéo, did just learn about point shooting but was already practicing parts of this technique!!
Coming from instinctive archery it is the same: it is not really instinctive but more intuitive and the reps and reps and reps and consistency and good form makes your arrow go were you look!! But yeah you have to learn it it’s not instinctive like you said… love the analogy.
Cheers
Great advice. Many thanks.
Great insight coch
Love the insight!
The theory and anatomy put into practice 💪🏼🇺🇸
Thanks guys 👍
Anything that gets you out training has value! I don’t shoot competitively (except in my own head 😂), but I like adding speed sometimes to increase “stress” and (if you are moving) getting your heart rate up. I couldn’t help hut notice how stable Coch is on his feet - very solid base when shooting, even when he is moving. Good stuff.
Silly question: with the increase in use of body armour by everyone, why is the A zone still being taught as primary, vs neck or head shots, or even SAS style Mozambican hits?
Great video, great shooters.
Very helpful, thanks
I really enjoy and gain a lot of knowledge from the hyve,, I can actually listen to the episodes that I want and not have to worry about profanity, we aren't allowed to wear ear buds the boss writes people up for profanity he hears on their listening device and that's one of the many reasons I keep coming back to your channel. Thanks for everything
@Mark Cochiolo lol I have heard you say damn a couple times but nothing overtly vulgar, and trust me I speak 2 languages... English and Vulgar lmao... You said something about being a Sailor , my Dad was a WW2 Navy veteran and i said something about cursing like a Sailor and my Dad looked at me and asked if I thought Sailors cursed worse than anyone else. This is off topic but my Dad told me he got into a fight with a Marine who said something bad about the Old Lady ( the ship) so Dad called him a sea going bellhop and the fight was on. If I remember correctly they both got put in the brig. Cheers
Cool pistol setup! Can we get a breakdown?
Awesome 😎
good stuff.
Very similar to the pull out method
So if the target is less than 3 yards and is a threat then sites may not be needed to get good multiple hits. 5 yards or greater might be a good idea for sights
where’s the sig virtus build you did it’s not on your channel anymore ??
What gun is that?? Very cool
I realized i could hit the dog in the but from 10 ft with a spray bottle set on stream. Every single time! I pacticed wirh a blow back pellet gun from a holster. From the hip 2 in the chest on a military silhouette target. Every. Single. Time.
A QUESTION, aren't you guys worried about bullets ricochet? still great video. thanks'
Typically, steel targets are installed so they have a slight downward angle. That way, any ricochets get deflected towards the ground instead of back at the shooter.
It’s something to be cognizant of along with all firearms safety measures and mitigation strategies while on the range, etc..
They don’t ricochet so much as splatter. I’ve had a fragment draw blood. Frangible ammo (compressed metal powder bullets) is a great idea when shooting steel at closer ranges.
Bullets don’t Ricochet they splatter
If there's flex in the target stand, or a spring mount, or the target face is angled down, or the steel target's hanging from a rope chain, or hook, the most splatter you'll see is about 4-5 yards out from target. And those fragments are dropping to the ground with little remaining energy. If your steel target is mounted on a strong and rigid stand, you'll get a lot more splatter, and farther out. So don't do that.
If you're shooting rifle rounds at steel, it's a whole different game. You want to be 100 yards distant at minimum, and you really don't want to mount those targets on a rock hard surface. But most ricochets happen on strongly angled surfaces, and continue to head away, not toward, the shooter. The danger is usually to others, downrange, off to the side, or off-range.
Just buy a cheaply made german .38 special target pistol like my dad did in the late 70's, the rear sights fell off the first time he fired it. Still doesn't have rear sights to this day. Ha ha ha
In many ways the same principles as in bow shooting
Nice scenario that folks should add into training. However...Coch should have been using a timer!!! You need to add a stress component and a timer will do that pretty effectively! A timer is important for training regardless if you are training for competition or for self defense. You still need to beat the bad guy and that means doing things faster (in less time) than the bad guy!
Yo man's an ex seal - he's plenty quick enough I'm sure 😂
He's demonstrating a training point, not trying to improve his own skills. I'm sure that when he's doing his own training, he's got a timer and he's moving and doing all the other stuff to make the practice as transferable to the real world as possible. You know, because former SEAL.
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great way to lose a gunfight
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