@@Dave-gk6si there literally is the movie is 3 years after the granhola arc goku and vegeta both have ultra ego and UI there, and orange piccolo surpasses everyone in the granhola arc except black frieza and is currently equal to dbssh goku this means he is most likely stronger than vegeta at mhm and beast gohan is stronger than all of them
Imagine Orange Piccolo using multi-form and then all the clones grow giant. Growing giant doesn't increase power and makes you a larger target so only growing giant against a single small opponent is somewhat detrimental, but having to deal with MULTIPLE giants that are comparable in strength to you? THAT'S how you overwhelm someone.
To be honest we have never seen more abilities and extent of the orange form the only thing we saw is that he just used the strength boost to enter the fight but we never saw him sittting down and learning more and mastering tge form and abilities shenron gave him in that form
While Vegeta had time to train first learn from the form and even got guided by someone who uses it and mastered it better and faster while piccolo is the first namekian to have that form so you can't compare them you can only compare their power boost not their abilities and the rest in th fighting scene
If you think about it, despite having been part of the group for decades, Vegeta has no relationship with any of the main characters aside from Goku and Bulma. My guy has no friends.
He did to Gohan as well. Remember in the Buu saga, he hated how he wasted his potential, but when he thought that Gohan died because of him, he felt regret and anger towards Buu. He also saved him a couple of times, and stated that he had the most potential, which coming from Vegeta is a huge compliment. But yes, in the grand scale he is only really interested in his family and Goku.
Vegeta stomps on orange piccolo even without ultra ego , he does indeed get strong but I feel like it's kind of like ultra super saiyan that the big muscles make him stronger but slower. Piccolo needs to train more to perfect the form and find a balance between strength and speed.
Both have really cool and broken techniques. Even if it's a one-sided fight, I'd love to see how their techniques stack up against each other at the very least
Didn't Piccolo say that his transforming into a giant doesn't really boost his strength? It was just for show. So would him going giant really make his ki blast/beam gigantic as well? And if so, wouldn't it just use more energy to make it that size alone? Weird question, I know 😅
Yeah you’re right, the Orange form doesn’t boost his strength, it just splits it apart into multiple targets. His ki blasts would remain the same strength as well, but they’d be sized up to match his size because it would be visually weird if he was firing tiny ki blasts lol. If I recall correctly, he uses some ki blasts against Cell Max that were sized up, but since he doesn’t get stronger by growing, they were the same strength, just bigger. I don’t think that it would require more energy to produce bigger ki blasts? I could be wrong, but I would imagine since they’re matched to his bigger size, it would be the same kind of energy output.
Vegeta could use instant transmission to avoid all of Piccolo's moves and Vegeta's UE gets more powerful as the fight drags on and he has Blue Evolution. Piccolo's new form is only as powerful as SSB.
@@Dave-gk6si It’s a bit weird, yeah, but I’m just hoping he takes time with it and adds to the movie. Like maybe we’ll actually get a good name for Orange Piccolo.
Good scenario but you did made a few mistakes: Piccolo never fought gamma 1 in the first place, he fought gamma 2. And know that both Gammas are equal to the current Goku and Vegeta. The next thing I will say is a lot of people keep saying that iphigenia uses Spirit fission, it's pretty much all over. Although Gina wouldn't use it because he wants a longer flight in a sparring match. But piccolo was explained on how the ability works which means that as long as he doesn't get hit, that ability is considered ineffective. It would be kind of cool if you could tapping into Kami's godly techniques. But so far we don't know if he chooses not to. The result of the fight doesn't try to use his haxs it would be an even fight with basically being a flip of a coin. Both of them are very intelligent fighters in their own right. Both have grown to exponential levels.
I didn’t say he fought Gamma 1 specifically, I just said his new form would allow him to fight off both, since they’re equal in strength and he beat Gamma 2. As for everything else though, well said, I agree!
@@InnovativeJdawg People think piccolo is fodder to ue and mui but it’s literally stated he is on there lvl toriyama literally said he’s happy piccolo finally caught up to them
Actually hero takes place rite before granola slightly during . Gamma 1 and 2 are comparable to ssj blue goku and vegeta not there max forms from fighting gas
At the beginning of the android saga piccolo had been training with goku and was stronger than dr gero, ssj vegeta was not that far ahead of him if at all😊
It's stated that if cell max could have controled himself he could have been equal if not stronger than broly. So if cell max was destroying orange piccolo while uncontrolled then he's not even stronger than broly and I personally think that goku and vegeta at their max powers right now are stronger than broly after seeing the granolah arc
Why they keep talking about ultra ego ultra that, right now vegeta is just blue n Piccolo Orange, if in the future the vegetable turns another color then we can talk.
Hi there just wanna say before I say all of this I respect you and this nothing against you I just wanna make this clear Ok I just want chime in piccolo made the comparison to the android but here’s the thing he can’t really scale them because of this they CANT SENSE GOD KI so his ASSUMES also cell max was confirmed weaker than broly they surpassed goku and vegeta after the Moro arc Also this movie was stated to not surpass the broly movie in power They were never stated to be above the ultra forms just stated on par or rivaling we’ve seen rivaling with gohan vs goku ssb yet we know goku was holding back and if he when all out he would’ve beat gohan Sorry but piccolo and gohan get slammed by goku and vegeta Again nothing against you dude your content is cool I know it’s really confusing with the super hero movie feats cause they stated weird stuff
Vegeta wins and its barely a contest. He has too many hax. Even IF piccolo is stronger it wouldnt be by much and the properties of ulra ego would overcome that gap quikly. Add in hakai and fission and its over. That being said I do agree that Vegeta wouldnt use spirit fission on piccolo. And Piccolo is the smartest fighter I know so he would defintely find a way to make this a good battle
He is one shotting blue evo and is stronger than ultra ego in raw strength bro, you db fans need to understand that piccolo and gohan are fr like that right now orange piccolo would destroy Moro arc MUI goku and would beat granhola arc goku and vegeta, he is LITERALLY STATED to be equal to current goku by the man who created the entire series
I'm glad Piccolo is up there with Goku and Vegeta again.
Same here! I hope it stays that way, at least for a while
He’s only SSB tier supposedly
@@Dave-gk6si That's his yellow form, his more unique orange form is up there with the ultra states.
@@michaeleverett1376 There is no ultra states in the movie continuity.
@@Dave-gk6si there literally is the movie is 3 years after the granhola arc goku and vegeta both have ultra ego and UI there, and orange piccolo surpasses everyone in the granhola arc except black frieza and is currently equal to dbssh goku this means he is most likely stronger than vegeta at mhm and beast gohan is stronger than all of them
That'd be an Interesting Matchup since they've never fought eachother before
Agreed!
Imagine Orange Piccolo using multi-form and then all the clones grow giant. Growing giant doesn't increase power and makes you a larger target so only growing giant against a single small opponent is somewhat detrimental, but having to deal with MULTIPLE giants that are comparable in strength to you? THAT'S how you overwhelm someone.
That’s true too! Plus if he trains more, he could handle mixing all these techniques more easily
Vegeta would win by just using spirit fisson and separating piccolo from kami and nail, making piccolo a lot weaker
@@simpgod2170 Vegeta wouldn’t want an easy win. He’d probably not even want to use the technique if he didn’t have to.
@@InnovativeJdawg depends tbh. Vegeta is more willing to do things he normally wouldn't do if it meant he get the win.
Splitting your body also splits your power. All those giant piccolos would be weak asf
To be honest we have never seen more abilities and extent of the orange form the only thing we saw is that he just used the strength boost to enter the fight but we never saw him sittting down and learning more and mastering tge form and abilities shenron gave him in that form
Thank you for not downplaying Piccolo like everyone else does
Even if he’s not AS strong, he’s not a pushover like people think
This guy deserves more fame
While Vegeta had time to train first learn from the form and even got guided by someone who uses it and mastered it better and faster while piccolo is the first namekian to have that form so you can't compare them you can only compare their power boost not their abilities and the rest in th fighting scene
If you think about it, despite having been part of the group for decades, Vegeta has no relationship with any of the main characters aside from Goku and Bulma. My guy has no friends.
I mean Goku and Bulma are the only ones who actually enjoys Vegeta's company, everyone else just tolerates him. He's the friend no one really likes.
He did to Gohan as well. Remember in the Buu saga, he hated how he wasted his potential, but when he thought that Gohan died because of him, he felt regret and anger towards Buu. He also saved him a couple of times, and stated that he had the most potential, which coming from Vegeta is a huge compliment.
But yes, in the grand scale he is only really interested in his family and Goku.
came to the channel for spidy thought i would watch this. good vid
This be a glorious match up and in BT4 I can't wait make it happen.
Agreed 100%!
Vegeta stomps on orange piccolo even without ultra ego , he does indeed get strong but I feel like it's kind of like ultra super saiyan that the big muscles make him stronger but slower. Piccolo needs to train more to perfect the form and find a balance between strength and speed.
Namek regeneration Vs damage absorption
Both have really cool and broken techniques. Even if it's a one-sided fight, I'd love to see how their techniques stack up against each other at the very least
Vegeta and piccolo never fought each other before
it would be cool if they did
Hmm.. i don't think defuse Piccolo from Nail and Kami would make any difference at this point. Orange Piccolo is strong by itself
Didn't Piccolo say that his transforming into a giant doesn't really boost his strength? It was just for show. So would him going giant really make his ki blast/beam gigantic as well? And if so, wouldn't it just use more energy to make it that size alone?
Weird question, I know 😅
Yeah you’re right, the Orange form doesn’t boost his strength, it just splits it apart into multiple targets. His ki blasts would remain the same strength as well, but they’d be sized up to match his size because it would be visually weird if he was firing tiny ki blasts lol.
If I recall correctly, he uses some ki blasts against Cell Max that were sized up, but since he doesn’t get stronger by growing, they were the same strength, just bigger. I don’t think that it would require more energy to produce bigger ki blasts? I could be wrong, but I would imagine since they’re matched to his bigger size, it would be the same kind of energy output.
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Super vegeta is different & Z vegeta was different
Vegeta could use instant transmission to avoid all of Piccolo's moves and Vegeta's UE gets more powerful as the fight drags on and he has Blue Evolution.
Piccolo's new form is only as powerful as SSB.
Piccolo's yellow form is Blue level. Orange is at least close to Goku and Vegeta's max power levels, even if he does still lose.
Piccolo's new form is definitely stronger than Super Saiyan Blue, and probably even Blue Evolution too.
It’s weird to be matching the two from different continuity’s
Since it’s a “what if” anything is possible. Plus, Super Hero is the current manga arc
@@InnovativeJdawg Why Toyotaro is doing a retelling is beyond me
@@Dave-gk6si It’s a bit weird, yeah, but I’m just hoping he takes time with it and adds to the movie. Like maybe we’ll actually get a good name for Orange Piccolo.
@@InnovativeJdawg Omg 😆 are you saying Toriyama sucks with names?
@@Dave-gk6si Sometimes it’s hit or miss lol
Good scenario but you did made a few mistakes:
Piccolo never fought gamma 1 in the first place, he fought gamma 2. And know that both Gammas are equal to the current Goku and Vegeta.
The next thing I will say is a lot of people keep saying that iphigenia uses Spirit fission, it's pretty much all over. Although Gina wouldn't use it because he wants a longer flight in a sparring match. But piccolo was explained on how the ability works which means that as long as he doesn't get hit, that ability is considered ineffective.
It would be kind of cool if you could tapping into Kami's godly techniques. But so far we don't know if he chooses not to.
The result of the fight doesn't try to use his haxs it would be an even fight with basically being a flip of a coin. Both of them are very intelligent fighters in their own right. Both have grown to exponential levels.
I didn’t say he fought Gamma 1 specifically, I just said his new form would allow him to fight off both, since they’re equal in strength and he beat Gamma 2.
As for everything else though, well said, I agree!
@@InnovativeJdawgeverything you said in the video, I can agree.
It can go either way
Agreed, depending on the situation of the fight!
@@InnovativeJdawg People think piccolo is fodder to ue and mui but it’s literally stated he is on there lvl toriyama literally said he’s happy piccolo finally caught up to them
I'm glad too, it's been far too long since Piccolo was relevant
Actually hero takes place rite before granola slightly during .
Gamma 1 and 2 are comparable to ssj blue goku and vegeta not there max forms from fighting gas
At the beginning of the android saga piccolo had been training with goku and was stronger than dr gero, ssj vegeta was not that far ahead of him if at all😊
so now he's a super saiyan 🤷
It's stated that if cell max could have controled himself he could have been equal if not stronger than broly. So if cell max was destroying orange piccolo while uncontrolled then he's not even stronger than broly and I personally think that goku and vegeta at their max powers right now are stronger than broly after seeing the granolah arc
When was this stated?
innovative jadew make what if about ssj3 vegeta tonight yes are no
Isn't Piccolo and Nail and Kami's fusion permanent?
Yes, unless if Vegeta forces them apart through Forced Spirit Fission
@@InnovativeJdawg Maybe he could remove Nail, but Kami and Piccolo were originally one being.
@@Val_Zod77 That’s true, and maybe that might be the case, we’ll probably never know
Why they keep talking about ultra ego ultra that, right now vegeta is just blue n Piccolo Orange, if in the future the vegetable turns another color then we can talk.
Beat his ass Piccolo
no no no no no piccolo giant size wouldn’t work against vegeta they talked about it in the sub version
I never said it would make him stronger, but his size in combination with other techniques would make him formidable against a regular sized Vegeta.
@@InnovativeJdawg the form increase will in fact not make him formidable against vegeta , they literally stated how it wouldn’t work
Piccolo is only Evo level maybe blue is all
Ok now vegeta gets his potential unlocked? What happens then?
Cells games piccolo could match vegeta
Goku solos😊
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@@elsenoirtank3076😂😂
Did u forget vegeta can turn giant to and goku in MUI
With spirit control? That would just make it a more interesting fight imo
Hi there just wanna say before I say all of this I respect you and this nothing against you I just wanna make this clear
Ok I just want chime in piccolo made the comparison to the android but here’s the thing he can’t really scale them because of this they CANT SENSE GOD KI so his ASSUMES also cell max was confirmed weaker than broly they surpassed goku and vegeta after the Moro arc
Also this movie was stated to not surpass the broly movie in power
They were never stated to be above the ultra forms just stated on par or rivaling we’ve seen rivaling with gohan vs goku ssb yet we know goku was holding back and if he when all out he would’ve beat gohan
Sorry but piccolo and gohan get slammed by goku and vegeta
Again nothing against you dude your content is cool I know it’s really confusing with the super hero movie feats cause they stated weird stuff
Orange piccolo is equal to Super Saiyan God are super saiyan blue he is not equal to ultra instinct are ultra eagle
That’s a hard lowball for Piccolo
Ahh yes, ultra eagle
Vegeta wins
Piccolo is SSBE Vegeta level
No your mistaken Akira himself said finally piccolo has catch up to Goku and Vegeta in their final forms
Vegeta wins and its barely a contest. He has too many hax. Even IF piccolo is stronger it wouldnt be by much and the properties of ulra ego would overcome that gap quikly. Add in hakai and fission and its over. That being said I do agree that Vegeta wouldnt use spirit fission on piccolo. And Piccolo is the smartest fighter I know so he would defintely find a way to make this a good battle
Vegeta can turn giant as well
I say Orange Piccolo is above SSB Vegeta but below SSB evolution. He’d stand no chance against UE Vegeta.
Vegeta definitely has the edge, but Piccolo isn’t THAT far behind, at least imo
UE jobbed in it's debut, not a good showing at all.
@@trenthoward6800 He was doing better than Mastered UI Goku
@@husseinalsalami2148 So what, that doesn't change anything about his jobbing streak.
He is one shotting blue evo and is stronger than ultra ego in raw strength bro, you db fans need to understand that piccolo and gohan are fr like that right now orange piccolo would destroy Moro arc MUI goku and would beat granhola arc goku and vegeta, he is LITERALLY STATED to be equal to current goku by the man who created the entire series
innovative jadew make what if about ssj3 vegeta in dragon Ball super tonight yes are no