I honestly feel like kaioken for vegeta would be a great training tool with a sparring partner and sensu beans to get more zenkai gains as he’s intentionally putting strain on his body to sweeten his gains in healing.
At this point in super zenkais are not as strong as they once was they kinda became prevalent in top but before and after that they are not as potent especially in training
@@gentlepeeps3351 I believe that was established in the manga though. Wasn't Goku got stronger each time he healed from using UI Sign? Wasn't that Zenkai that did it?
I really love when these what if you tubers do full series instead of parts though cliffhangers are fun I enjoy laying back and watching a full what story unwind, Great job Innovative
Thanks, glad you enjoyed it! Whenever I get around to making more what ifs, I'll no doubt have to split some stories up into parts because depending on the story, it may just be too long to fit in a single video. But if I were to do that, there wouldn't be an absurd amount of parts, I wouldn't go up to part 15 or anything, and I wouldn't make my audience wait for months between those parts.
@@InnovativeJdawg so I was thinking about how would it change the story and I know there's a lot of littles that have Gok and Vegeta as siblings but because of that, what if I think it will really change the story of the whole Dragonball series, so the, what if is called, what if Goku and Vegeta were brothers also having goku brother as their cousin
Just Checkedout your channel and man I am impressed. You cut straight to the point, you take at a normal pace and didn't purposely lengthen your video. Voice and video quality was great and I rly enjoyed this, was planning on making at myself!
Thank you, Hyperion! Also Maltese, if Super took place after the End of Z, I feel like things would mostly be the same. God Ki would be an entirely different realm what what Goku and his friends knew, so if everything revolved around God Ki, it would be the same. Characters would just be older, like Pan, and what not.
When vegeta first saw the kaiokan attack he told Goku he encountered something similar in the past. It would have been cool for them explore that further.
I thought about the joke part, but I feel like King Kai would either know that there shouldn’t be any time for jokes against Buu, or Vegeta just threatened him hard enough that he cut right to the chase lol. Also, thank you!
I think Vegeta could have taken time to learn Kaioken during the three year pre-android training arc. He might have assumed it was a necessary step to reaching Super Saiyan.
@InnovativeJDawg, They should have wished back the android victims, and Supreme Kai as well. Bringing a group of Nameks to Future Earth, would help as well.
I think Vegeta in the Buu arc after being allowed to keep his body could theoretically already use a higher multiplier of Kaioken than Goku did once he gets used to the technique. Think about it; mastering 10G's on King Kai's planet allowed Goku to use it up to x2 safely, but x3 & x4 at the cost of wearing his body out. Adapting to 100G's in the gravity chamber allowed Goku to utilize up to x20. It's never been established if the safe number increases with mastery, but for all I know up to x2 may still be the safe number even after being able to go x20, and I like that idea. Vegeta in the Z manga during the Android Arc asked Dr. Briefs to upgrade the gravity machine because he said he could handle 3x what Goku trained under. Whether or not he actually trained under 300x is a mystery, because in the Buu arc we can see he dialed it back to 150g despite 300g being the limit of the machine. Even so, that's 50g more than Goku's feat; which in theory could also mean his body could theoretically handle a higher Kaioken multiplier than Goku. Even more so if he really did train under 300g's when training for the androids a few years prior.
Personally, I'm not that big of a fan of this What If scenario in particular, at least not the way it's framed here. Kaio-Ken just feels way more of a Goku technique than a Vegeta technique when it comes to their personalities. That is, until Ultra Ego rolls around and feels like a match made in heaven. Edit: Nevermind, this framing is way better placed than I thought. After all, the beginning of Super is the point where Goku rubbing off onto Vegeta really started to show. Still, I could probably more see Kaio-Ken being used by Gogeta or Vegito, although that might be influence from fan animations making Kaio-Ken Blue Evolved a fusion staple. But I could see Kaio-Ken UE Vegito occurring in a similar way, since we can't really have UE UI due to the whole "one consciousness" thing. Edit 2: Alright, this is absolute fire. Did you just say Instant x10 Final Kamehameha???
there is only one thing I would have added, I would have wished to undo all the damage caused by the androids and Goku/Vegita black, other than that, you did an amazing job
I did have them wish to undo the damages caused by Goku and Vegeta Black, they didn’t need to make a wish to restore damage done by the androids because, I believe, it’s already stated that they were able to rebuild from the low-scale damages they had caused Regardless, thank you!
Honestly I think the best time for him to learn the Kaioken would be between Zamasu and the ToP, due to a feeling that he failed Future Trunks and thus he trains to get Kaioken. I can personally never see Blue Kaioken ever going past X20, but if Vegeta unlocked Limit Breaker (ain't calling it "Blue Evolution") before the ToP he may be able to push himself to Kaioken X20 Limit Breaker and take Jiren for a wild ride. Also if Frieza was taken out early by Broly then Whis could stall him for Gogeta. And finally, given how Limit Breaker Vegeta was stronger than UI Goku, a 20x multiplier would b e more than enough to outmatch Moro-73.
Possibly! I believe if Goku were to still tap into MUI, he’d be stronger than Vegeta that way, but if Vegeta managed to defeat Moro before Goku could even use Ultra Instinct, he would most likely be stronger at that point in time.
@InnovatedJDawg, Vegeta (and Future Vegeta), could have asked Goku to teach him, during the three years. Future Vegeta could have used Super Kaioken, against the Future Androids.
While that could’ve happened, I don’t see Vegeta taking the time to learn kaioken when around that time, he was focused on just learning how to achieve Super Saiyan, and once he did just that, he figured Kaioken would be useless.
Hey InnovativeJdawg I have a what if for you, since you did Vegeta if he learned Kaioken but how about you do a Digimon what if, like for say having Dracomon having the same technique like Goku during the fight against the first Dark General Dorbickmon in Digimon Part 6 Wrath of the Bagra Army also known as Digimon Fusion and the year I came up with during the series was in 2040 since the first Digimon series started in 1995 and I refer the seasons as parts and what year they take place. For example Digimon Part 1 The Adventure begins. Year 1995 Digimon Part 2 New Adventures. Year 1999-2000 and at the end 2025 Digimon Part 3 The Tamers. Year 2026 Digimon Part 4 Rise of the Legendary Warriors. Year 2027 Digimon Part 5 Enter the Data Squad. Year 2030 and at the end 2035 Digimon Part 6 Wrath of the Bagra Army. Year 2040 Digimon Part 7 The hunt starts. Year 2041 Digimon Part 8 App Wars. Year 2048 Digimon Part 9 Ghost Game. Year 2051-2053 and at the end 2055 So what do you think of this what if I came up with, do you like it or no.
Shit what if everyone learned it. Goku should've at least tried to teach his friends what he learned on King Kai and Yardrat. The amount of clutches the rest of the Z-Fighters can do if they could multiply their power however they want, hold a spirit bomb or fucking instantly teleport almost anywhere. The humans or Piccolo wouldn't instantly become gods obviously but they would be able to do a lot more to help.
If they were given a third wish, it didn’t matter to the overall story so it wasn’t mentioned. It’s most likely that since they revived a whole bunch of people with one wish, that counted as two wishes just like how Dende modeled his Dragon Balls in the original series.
@@InnovativeJdawg maybe they could make the core of the planet indestructible or something since it just held a battle between 4 universe buster people.
So basically if super saiyan 3 turn kaio ken .He become like super saiyan 6 strenght? I mean kaio ken is multiplay x1 so super saiyan 3 is super saiyan 6 basically?
Theoretically, the power output COULD equal something of a Super Saiyan 6, but it would be near impossible to combine Kaioken with SSJ3 like that. It would instantly kill the user
This Goku black arc is better then the original, not only does trunks keep his timeline, we would also get vegito vs vegito black which would be so iconic
Kaioken would become useless after acquiring the ultra forms. Because the ultra forms are limit breaking forms they grow in power without any hindrance.
No it isn’t, he has the story play out where Vegeta obtains SSJ God first, he defeats Goku Black, etc Same concept, different story, everybody can tell the same what if in a different way.
I know earth dragon balls can not revive people who been dead for over a year but why can trunks go to namek and revive everyone Besides goku because when he come back he would just die instantly because of the virus
In this scenario, trunks wishes back everyone who had been killed by Black since he was only around for a year. The people who died from the Androids wouldn’t be affected
@@InnovativeJdawg namek dragon balls as far as we know dont have that disability the disability that namek dragon balls have that we know is only able to wish one back at a time so it will be a slow process but good in the end
I’m planning on doing more but this video didn’t perform as well, so I figured I could focus more on other projects. I do plan on doing future what if’s soon though, so my apologies!
@@InnovativeJdawg I'm not that big of a dbz fan but I love what ifs and lemme say ik for a fact that you got the talent to be a top tier in the what if verse 💯% so I'll be waiting patiently good sir ❤
Yes it can work, it just isn’t as smart to use it in comparison to Blue Kaioken. It’s highly stressful to use on top of Super Saiyan, as I mentioned, and by the time the Universe 6 tournament came around, SSJ Blue was much stronger than regular Super Saiyan so there wouldn’t have been a reason to pick Super Kaioken over SSJB Kaioken.
You heard correctly and the reason for that was because, as a dead person, his body couldn’t feel the stress that he would feel when he was alive. It’s why he also used Super Saiyan 3 a lot better when he was dead but when he got wished back to life, his physical body couldn’t handle the stress as seen during his fight against Kid Buu.
Haven’t watched his videos but I assume what he does, is similar to what other DB What If creators do. They make several parts and then compile them all together to make a “full story”
Well i would of had them grown they tail back that way since Goku showing Vegeta how to control Kaioken Vegeta can show kakarot how to control the great ape therefore they get Super Saiyan 4
Don't get Vegeta is a prodigy at learning stuff he learned how to suppress his power and since Ki just by going to Earth and fighting with the earthlings no one taught Vegeta that and he was doing as soon as he got the namek
Hey , cool video but about the blacks using kaioken ... does not make any sense ... why would they do that? in original they watch goku do it and never copy kaioken or any other tecnique , and how whould they learn it ?
Because they’ve taken over the bodies of characters who know how to use it. It’s similar to how Black pulled off a Kamehameha, he did it because Goku knew how to do it. The only thing they “learn” from when seeing their opponent, is how to better hone their techniques and fighting style, they don’t learn new techniques all together since they already have the bodies that were already capable of using those techniques. Why Goku Black never used Kaioken in the anime or manga? That’s just a creative decision, same reason why we haven’t seen Vegito use Super Saiyan God.
No he doesn’t. He never learned it on his own. If you’re talking about when he’s fused into Vegito or Gogeta? Then sure, he can use kaioken when fused but we’ve never seen it in anything other than Dragon Ball Heroes.
@@InnovativeJdawg makes sense, especially with how highly the two zamazu’s may have saw themselves it would be easy enough to see them brush off the need to do so
Yeah, also I might be wrong, but I believe the super dragon balls only let you use one wish and Zamasu used them to swap bodies with Goku (and Vegeta) so then they’d be inactive for a year. They theoretically coulda used the time rings to go back and forth but like you said, I feel like Zamasu wouldn’t go through the trouble.
Honestly I feel like vegeta would spam the shit out of kaioken if it makes him stronger 😂😂😂 I would laugh my ass off if I saw that happen in the manga or show also it would be really cool to see ultra ego with kaioken
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I honestly feel like kaioken for vegeta would be a great training tool with a sparring partner and sensu beans to get more zenkai gains as he’s intentionally putting strain on his body to sweeten his gains in healing.
At this point in super zenkais are not as strong as they once was they kinda became prevalent in top but before and after that they are not as potent especially in training
@@gentlepeeps3351 unfortunate.
@@gentlepeeps3351 ultra ego kaioken would easily power up 10000000s of times because of the strain making his body damaged
@@heavygaming1167 Exactly what I've been saying. Kaio-Ken UE is an absolute killer combo. I feel like it should be a Vegito staple.
@@gentlepeeps3351 I believe that was established in the manga though. Wasn't Goku got stronger each time he healed from using UI Sign? Wasn't that Zenkai that did it?
I really love when these what if you tubers do full series instead of parts though cliffhangers are fun I enjoy laying back and watching a full what story unwind, Great job Innovative
Thanks, glad you enjoyed it! Whenever I get around to making more what ifs, I'll no doubt have to split some stories up into parts because depending on the story, it may just be too long to fit in a single video.
But if I were to do that, there wouldn't be an absurd amount of parts, I wouldn't go up to part 15 or anything, and I wouldn't make my audience wait for months between those parts.
underrated Dragon Ball what-if
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed, I hope to do more of these in the future.
I'm not gonna lie, you should continue to make what if stories
Thank you! I have plans on making a lot more stories but I can’t guarantee when the next story will drop
@@InnovativeJdawg if its alright, could I give you some ideas that I have been thinking of?
Sure! I’d love to hear your ideas
@@InnovativeJdawg so I was thinking about how would it change the story and I know there's a lot of littles that have Gok and Vegeta as siblings but because of that, what if I think it will really change the story of the whole Dragonball series, so the, what if is called, what if Goku and Vegeta were brothers also having goku brother as their cousin
@@InnovativeJdawg also, what if Vegeta trained under merus with goku
Just Checkedout your channel and man I am impressed. You cut straight to the point, you take at a normal pace and didn't purposely lengthen your video. Voice and video quality was great and I rly enjoyed this, was planning on making at myself!
Another Legend.
You said it better than me.
He's earned my sub, and now, you gonna get mine.
Thanks to both of you, I appreciate your compliments!
@@InnovativeJdawg No sweat.
WOW man, i thought this vid was like an 1hour long. That's good though, means a lot is in here. Feels full.
This was great, i enjoyed your video. Hopefully you make more of these.
Thank you, Hyperion! Also Maltese, if Super took place after the End of Z, I feel like things would mostly be the same. God Ki would be an entirely different realm what what Goku and his friends knew, so if everything revolved around God Ki, it would be the same. Characters would just be older, like Pan, and what not.
Dude this is surprisingly high quality
I have never watched your videos or even seen your channel but this video made me automatically subscribe
Your way smarter than death battle.I love your content keep it up.I'm subscriber
Thanks! Glad you’re liking my videos
@@InnovativeJdawg I really do
I absolutely love your story telling, you should do more of these, no rush though.
VEGITO BLACK!? I would have never even thought of that! Awesome what if, dude!
Thanks very much! Glad you enjoyed!
When vegeta first saw the kaiokan attack he told Goku he encountered something similar in the past. It would have been cool for them explore that further.
I'll bet the simmilar thing he experienced is what lead him down the path of Super Saiyan Grade 2.
The only thing Vegeta struggled to learn kaioken is the first trial. You know telling jokes to king Kai....
Great what if by the way. Please make more
I thought about the joke part, but I feel like King Kai would either know that there shouldn’t be any time for jokes against Buu, or Vegeta just threatened him hard enough that he cut right to the chase lol.
Also, thank you!
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lol I like you documentary narration what if style great video please do make more what ifs
I think Vegeta could have taken time to learn Kaioken during the three year pre-android training arc. He might have assumed it was a necessary step to reaching Super Saiyan.
Hey dude, excellent first what if. Perhaps we can work on something in future 👍😎
Thank you!
I have found another what if creator that's has god tier voice/commentary thank the heavens 😭🙏🙌💘
Thanks for the comment! Hopefully I can get back into these videos soon
We need more of your What Ifs.
@InnovativeJDawg,
They should have wished back the android victims, and Supreme Kai as well.
Bringing a group of Nameks to Future Earth, would help as well.
Not gonna lie, but the ending of your version of the future trunks Arc was heartwarming awww 💖💖💖
Thank you!
Cool video
Thanks!
They shoulda used Dende to wish back The Future Z Fighters & Android victims,
Before the past Z Fighters went back to the past.
What if Goku also got SSBE?
or use MUI kiokenx20?
Probably mui kiaoken would be stronger then beerus for sure
I think Vegeta in the Buu arc after being allowed to keep his body could theoretically already use a higher multiplier of Kaioken than Goku did once he gets used to the technique. Think about it; mastering 10G's on King Kai's planet allowed Goku to use it up to x2 safely, but x3 & x4 at the cost of wearing his body out. Adapting to 100G's in the gravity chamber allowed Goku to utilize up to x20. It's never been established if the safe number increases with mastery, but for all I know up to x2 may still be the safe number even after being able to go x20, and I like that idea.
Vegeta in the Z manga during the Android Arc asked Dr. Briefs to upgrade the gravity machine because he said he could handle 3x what Goku trained under. Whether or not he actually trained under 300x is a mystery, because in the Buu arc we can see he dialed it back to 150g despite 300g being the limit of the machine. Even so, that's 50g more than Goku's feat; which in theory could also mean his body could theoretically handle a higher Kaioken multiplier than Goku. Even more so if he really did train under 300g's when training for the androids a few years prior.
Your 1k like!!!🎉
Personally, I'm not that big of a fan of this What If scenario in particular, at least not the way it's framed here. Kaio-Ken just feels way more of a Goku technique than a Vegeta technique when it comes to their personalities. That is, until Ultra Ego rolls around and feels like a match made in heaven.
Edit: Nevermind, this framing is way better placed than I thought. After all, the beginning of Super is the point where Goku rubbing off onto Vegeta really started to show. Still, I could probably more see Kaio-Ken being used by Gogeta or Vegito, although that might be influence from fan animations making Kaio-Ken Blue Evolved a fusion staple. But I could see Kaio-Ken UE Vegito occurring in a similar way, since we can't really have UE UI due to the whole "one consciousness" thing.
Edit 2: Alright, this is absolute fire. Did you just say Instant x10 Final Kamehameha???
Wow nice video
Thanks!
there is only one thing I would have added, I would have wished to undo all the damage caused by the androids and Goku/Vegita black, other than that, you did an amazing job
I did have them wish to undo the damages caused by Goku and Vegeta Black, they didn’t need to make a wish to restore damage done by the androids because, I believe, it’s already stated that they were able to rebuild from the low-scale damages they had caused
Regardless, thank you!
@@InnovativeJdawg true I guess I was thinking more on the lines of bringing the dead back to life
💯✊🏽Very good story. Nice alternative perspective!
wouldn’t kaioken while in ultra ego be essentially broken asl😭
Imagine king kai watching the goku black arc in this scenario just to see 4 godly beings using his technique
He’d be so happy
You should do what if trunks revive everyone Besides goku with namek dragon balls after the Android saga
Honestly I think the best time for him to learn the Kaioken would be between Zamasu and the ToP, due to a feeling that he failed Future Trunks and thus he trains to get Kaioken. I can personally never see Blue Kaioken ever going past X20, but if Vegeta unlocked Limit Breaker (ain't calling it "Blue Evolution") before the ToP he may be able to push himself to Kaioken X20 Limit Breaker and take Jiren for a wild ride. Also if Frieza was taken out early by Broly then Whis could stall him for Gogeta. And finally, given how Limit Breaker Vegeta was stronger than UI Goku, a 20x multiplier would b e more than enough to outmatch Moro-73.
Neat, try what if Gohan fall in love with Erasa!!
This is a good stroy
Thank you I appreciate that!
dang that means vegeta is the strongest in this what if because if he evolves kaiken with ssjbe then ha evolves kaioken with it
Possibly! I believe if Goku were to still tap into MUI, he’d be stronger than Vegeta that way, but if Vegeta managed to defeat Moro before Goku could even use Ultra Instinct, he would most likely be stronger at that point in time.
Very good
We need a part two
This is the only part (for now) because it covered everything up until Moro.
But there will be more what if’s that have multiple parts
How about if vegeta has an different version of kaioken and it's called galick rise which you get it after using the galick gun
And continue making what if pleassssse
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Can you please make what if goku mastered super saiyan 3
Vegeta and spirit bomb
Imagine if he learned the Kaioken and spirt bomb
That’d be cool. He kinda did a Spirit Bomb-esk kind of attack at the end of the Moro Arc, when he gave Goku energy from Uub
One thousand likes is too much man! Lower the like goal
Great video but seriously
Why would it be too much? It’s just a goal, not a demand.
@InnovatedJDawg,
Vegeta (and Future Vegeta), could have asked Goku to teach him, during the three years.
Future Vegeta could have used Super Kaioken, against the Future Androids.
While that could’ve happened, I don’t see Vegeta taking the time to learn kaioken when around that time, he was focused on just learning how to achieve Super Saiyan, and once he did just that, he figured Kaioken would be useless.
@@InnovativeJdawg
What about Gt?
Super Baby Vegeta and Great Ape Baby in Gt, could have used Kaioken against Ssj4 Goku.
Hey InnovativeJdawg I have a what if for you, since you did Vegeta if he learned Kaioken but how about you do a Digimon what if, like for say having Dracomon having the same technique like Goku during the fight against the first Dark General Dorbickmon in Digimon Part 6 Wrath of the Bagra Army also known as Digimon Fusion and the year I came up with during the series was in 2040 since the first Digimon series started in 1995 and I refer the seasons as parts and what year they take place.
For example
Digimon Part 1 The Adventure begins. Year 1995
Digimon Part 2 New Adventures. Year 1999-2000 and at the end 2025
Digimon Part 3 The Tamers. Year 2026
Digimon Part 4 Rise of the Legendary Warriors. Year 2027
Digimon Part 5 Enter the Data Squad. Year 2030 and at the end 2035
Digimon Part 6 Wrath of the Bagra Army. Year 2040
Digimon Part 7 The hunt starts. Year 2041
Digimon Part 8 App Wars. Year 2048
Digimon Part 9 Ghost Game. Year 2051-2053 and at the end 2055
So what do you think of this what if I came up with, do you like it or no.
It's definitely a cool idea! I'm not super knowledgeable about Digimon though, but I like the idea!
imagine ultra ego kaioken
Insanely powerful!
hell maybe even chuck in ui goku also
Vegeta:kaio Ken
Freeza:kaio what
Punch in the face
Goku:kaio ken
Freeza: (dodge)
Awesome
Shit what if everyone learned it. Goku should've at least tried to teach his friends what he learned on King Kai and Yardrat. The amount of clutches the rest of the Z-Fighters can do if they could multiply their power however they want, hold a spirit bomb or fucking instantly teleport almost anywhere. The humans or Piccolo wouldn't instantly become gods obviously but they would be able to do a lot more to help.
what did they do with the 3rd wish?
If they were given a third wish, it didn’t matter to the overall story so it wasn’t mentioned. It’s most likely that since they revived a whole bunch of people with one wish, that counted as two wishes just like how Dende modeled his Dragon Balls in the original series.
@@InnovativeJdawg maybe they could make the core of the planet indestructible or something since it just held a battle between 4 universe buster people.
Goku finally master the kaioken
7:47 💀💀💀💀
That Vegeta Bulma moment got me bout to spring a leak
So basically if super saiyan 3 turn kaio ken .He become like super saiyan 6 strenght? I mean kaio ken is multiplay x1 so super saiyan 3 is super saiyan 6 basically?
Theoretically, the power output COULD equal something of a Super Saiyan 6, but it would be near impossible to combine Kaioken with SSJ3 like that. It would instantly kill the user
Vegeta learning the spirit bomb
W video
Thanks!
Gohan is smart enough to know not to waste senzu beans on earthlings (with the exception of trunks and himself)
It wouldn’t be a waste? They had plenty of them to go around.
nice
Did he have one power up in his base form during his initial fight with Goku?
He had Oozaru
This Goku black arc is better then the original, not only does trunks keep his timeline, we would also get vegito vs vegito black which would be so iconic
Thanks!
Kaioken would become useless after acquiring the ultra forms. Because the ultra forms are limit breaking forms they grow in power without any hindrance.
Unless you pair it with Ultra Ego, a form that thrives off taking damage
Wow 3k view after 500+ views
Wait isn’t this somewhat similar to salad saiyan to what if vegeta learned kaioken. I’m just saying
No it isn’t, he has the story play out where Vegeta obtains SSJ God first, he defeats Goku Black, etc
Same concept, different story, everybody can tell the same what if in a different way.
@@InnovativeJdawg yeah you’re right
No he wouldn't he would stack Kaio-Ken X 20 on top of Blue Evolution
the start of it reminds me of salad saiyan sucks it didnt get 1k likes :(
Not yet at least, I’m hoping it’ll get recommended to people soon!
@@InnovativeJdawg :D
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Fully mastered the kaioken
I know earth dragon balls can not revive people who been dead for over a year but why can trunks go to namek and revive everyone
Besides goku because when he come back he would just die instantly because of the virus
In this scenario, trunks wishes back everyone who had been killed by Black since he was only around for a year. The people who died from the Androids wouldn’t be affected
@@InnovativeJdawg namek dragon balls as far as we know dont have that disability the disability that namek dragon balls have that we know is only able to wish one back at a time so it will be a slow process but good in the end
Wait there's only one video tf 😭😭😭😭😭😭💔
I’m planning on doing more but this video didn’t perform as well, so I figured I could focus more on other projects. I do plan on doing future what if’s soon though, so my apologies!
@@InnovativeJdawg I'm not that big of a dbz fan but I love what ifs and lemme say ik for a fact that you got the talent to be a top tier in the what if verse 💯% so I'll be waiting patiently good sir ❤
Well after the recent granola arc, ngl, kaioken ultra ego would be pretty metal.
Kaioken cant work with regular ssj, thats why it wasnt used until the tournament 7 vs 6
Yes it can work, it just isn’t as smart to use it in comparison to Blue Kaioken.
It’s highly stressful to use on top of Super Saiyan, as I mentioned, and by the time the Universe 6 tournament came around, SSJ Blue was much stronger than regular Super Saiyan so there wouldn’t have been a reason to pick Super Kaioken over SSJB Kaioken.
@@InnovativeJdawg uh, maybe but i heard somewere that super kaioken was posible because Goku was dead, and it was imposible to use alive.
You heard correctly and the reason for that was because, as a dead person, his body couldn’t feel the stress that he would feel when he was alive.
It’s why he also used Super Saiyan 3 a lot better when he was dead but when he got wished back to life, his physical body couldn’t handle the stress as seen during his fight against Kid Buu.
What if Vegeta was the first super sayain or was the legendary super sayain
One think I would of changed about the stories is that instead of frizea Goku went and got future trunks to be the last member for team universe 7
What about the videos by gokuT23 that are 3 hours and 12 minutes
Haven’t watched his videos but I assume what he does, is similar to what other DB What If creators do. They make several parts and then compile them all together to make a “full story”
@@InnovativeJdawg No it is usually 15 or 14 parts for him
now that the gas\frieza black arc is out can you make a part 2
If there’s a good story to be told maybe!
Fully perfected kaioken
Well i would of had them grown they tail back that way since Goku showing Vegeta how to control Kaioken Vegeta can show kakarot how to control the great ape therefore they get Super Saiyan 4
Don't get Vegeta is a prodigy at learning stuff he learned how to suppress his power and since Ki just by going to Earth and fighting with the earthlings no one taught Vegeta that and he was doing as soon as he got the namek
Exactly, and he was capable of learning Spirit Control in the recent manga arc, whereas Goku couldn’t.
@@InnovativeJdawg What if the healing chamber can also regenerate limbs like the Saiyan tail
Hey , cool video but about the blacks using kaioken ... does not make any sense ... why would they do that? in original they watch goku do it and never copy kaioken or any other tecnique , and how whould they learn it ?
Because they’ve taken over the bodies of characters who know how to use it. It’s similar to how Black pulled off a Kamehameha, he did it because Goku knew how to do it.
The only thing they “learn” from when seeing their opponent, is how to better hone their techniques and fighting style, they don’t learn new techniques all together since they already have the bodies that were already capable of using those techniques.
Why Goku Black never used Kaioken in the anime or manga? That’s just a creative decision, same reason why we haven’t seen Vegito use Super Saiyan God.
Didn't goku lose to hit and it was monaka that "beat" hit?
Technically, in the rules of the tournament, yeah. But to save time on this what if, its easy to overlook Monaka’s role in the story
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I djsagree he couldve learned it alot earlier he died way before thaf too.
Yeah but he wouldn’t have “earned” the chance to travel to King Kai the first time he died.
@InnovativeJdawg dam thats true, so during the buu saga would make the most sense huh...🤔
What if Cohan was split in Two?
Vegeta would rock the Kaioken even better than Goku. Just Saiyan
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Vegeta already nows kioken so you don’t now what you are talking about.
No he doesn’t.
He never learned it on his own. If you’re talking about when he’s fused into Vegito or Gogeta? Then sure, he can use kaioken when fused but we’ve never seen it in anything other than Dragon Ball Heroes.
what if vegito was in TOP?
You might see that sort of scenario very soon!
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Wait Couldn’t goku/vegeta black wish for immortality on top of the body swap?
I mean, I don’t see any reason why it shouldn’t be able to work.
They could but they didn’t. It’s the same reason why Goku Black didn’t wish for immortality in the original show. Just because he didn’t
@@InnovativeJdawg makes sense, especially with how highly the two zamazu’s may have saw themselves it would be easy enough to see them brush off the need to do so
Yeah, also I might be wrong, but I believe the super dragon balls only let you use one wish and Zamasu used them to swap bodies with Goku (and Vegeta) so then they’d be inactive for a year.
They theoretically coulda used the time rings to go back and forth but like you said, I feel like Zamasu wouldn’t go through the trouble.
All of this because vegeta turned red 💀
Nsh but fr, very interesting video
Thanks! Hope you enjoyed
@@InnovativeJdawg surprised you replied considering this video came out years ago
@@The_Arkham_Guardian I get notifications so I saw yours pop up a minute or two after you posted it lol
Honestly I feel like vegeta would spam the shit out of kaioken if it makes him stronger 😂😂😂 I would laugh my ass off if I saw that happen in the manga or show also it would be really cool to see ultra ego with kaioken
What if vegeta didn’t cut gohans tail?
Good idea for a what if! I may cover it eventually
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