People thought (rightfully) that broly was the legend and vegeta still got rid of him. Also ssj baby goku should be 500 PL and bardock has the same PL as king vegeta so why wouldnt he be a match for him considering he's also been on the battlefield more 😅?
I gotta admit these stories are more hectic that what most other RUclipsrs write which is a breath of fresh air considering oftentimes they follow the arcs too closely which considering how bad the zamasu saga was it's nice to see people discarding it and getting more creative
I am glad you like my writing! surpise i am considered to be a more hectic writer as I thought I am rather more calm than others, with arcs I go by how it would happen and if they can't happen then they don't so with how the story progresses it would decide the fate of each arc so each story won't go through the same arc as normal dragon ball
@@WrathfulSaiyan and that's quite the better option as I'm comparing your works with "Salad Saiyan" I quite enjoy how chaotic things get compared with salad every arc has a more segmented pacing for the characters that gives the cast more breaks between events That's what i Meant by describing this series as hectic especially the chapters involving cooler and baby and it actually creates more tension in the story beats 👍 P.S the way you pronounce Morro's name is just funny to me 😂
Initial critique: i do believe that Bardock canonically could hold his own against king vegeta. Bardock was a hard worker with countless battle experience. The royal family grew stagnant due to the old saiyan's ideals of strength being inherent and not variable. Mind you, kid vegeta was already stronger than his father. Bardock had a power level around 10k, and the king never trained. I think Bardock vs. King Vegeta would be a good fight.
That I don't disagree the only thing that makes it iffy for me is someone being stronger than the king, I mean u saw how he reacted when it came to baby broly
@@WrathfulSaiyanI don't think it's about being stronger than King Vegeta but potentially being or becoming stronger than Prince Vegeta, it would make sense why Bardock never concerned him but Broly did
Yes, considering that King Vegeta had near no experience in battle compared to Bardock. Saiyan Saga proved that power level alone when opponent is slightly stronger doesn't matter that much
@@WrathfulSaiyan Considering 100%Final Form Frieza's like 120m, yeah, huge stretch.. I for one became immediately uninterested once you killed off Vegeta not even 9 minutes into a 2hr40m video. Even if he comes back. Like I'm REALLY enjoying Daima atm, idc what people have/are/will say about it. The only gripe I do have with it, is the other cast members being left out, when the episode count is supposedly going to be low.
Thing is though, ssj is a x50 multiplier at a power of 10,000 10,000 x 50 is only 500,000. And frieza would probably become aware of his power. And just eradicate the saiyans as quickly as possible.
Wrathful saiyan congratulations you are the first youtuber that does these stories that actually knows English and how to pronounce the names of the characters be proud your a legend
@@UltraPickleMan Not if he kills him before he goes into his final form. Remember Gohan fought every form, this could have been as early as 2nd form’s crashout
Yea that is on me as I got it mixed up with Z broly since dbs broly is born around the same time as Vegeta but if that was the case I would feel like they would go get broly back and maybe I could've done a little arc with paragus trying to end kid vegeta with kid broly
What If Goku was born as a super saiyan? We all know how the story of dragon ball and the original story of how Planet Vegeta was destroyed. What If things were different, what if Goku was born as the legend that Frieza feared so much? How would this change affect the whole story of Dragon Ball? Chapters 0:00 - Intro 0:23 - Saiyan Revolution Saga 9:42 - Planet Cereal Saga 18:00 - Planet Earth Saga 26:58 - New Saiyan Era Saga 34:57 - Saiyan Expansion Saga 44:54 - Joint Alliance Saga 56:34 - Cooler's Invasion Saga 1:07:44 - Time Of Peace Saga 1:18:59 - Majin Saiyan Saga 1:29:54 - Saiyan God Saga 1:40:57 - Battle of Gods Saga 1:51:52 - Universe 6 vs Universe 7 Saga 2:01:09 - Baby Saga 2:11:53 - Tournament of Power Saga 2:22:18 - Moro Saga 2:31:52 - Ultimate Rivalry Saga 2:39:58 - Outro
That sounds potentially interesting. Maybe he's killed by Black Frieza and wakes up in his 3/4 year old self. Of course preventing the resurrection of frieza would be as simple as not letting him join the TOP but the Zamasu arc would be problematic. Especially if we get Gohan Black. Not to mention other butterfly effects.
@@eve_lasandia_de_arte5803 S-Cells increase the more battle power a Saiyan has, so to make this story logical, Goku would need a large battle power, it is the same reason he couldn't turn SSJ the first time krillin died.
with Goku's power level at a baby I did explain it at the intro of the second part of this what if. My explanation was that I took Goten for example, at the same age as Gohan he was far many times stronger than him and was even being able to access ssj at a young age. Goku was much stronger when goten was made so I took that example with this goku even though Bardock is the same, also in my opinion i feel like saiyans would need a significant power level to be able to acheive ssj. I just don't see someone with a power level of 2 being able to have ssj or atleast being able to turn into a ssj he would have a stronger power level
Really creative. I really loved that kakarot went the [spoiler1] and vegeta went the [spoiler2] way. Switching them was super cool. Spoiler 1 is destruction and 2 is angel.
I'm holding onto hope that bulma and Yamcha gets a divorce because Yamcha isn't loyal so he'd probably end up cheating or something because if I'm not mistaken that's why they originally broke up but I could be wrong it's been awhile since I looked into anything dragon ball related
1:17:26 base kakarot - 23,000,000 base broly - 19,000,000 base raditz - 16,650,000 base turles - 14,760,300 granolah - 14,000,000 base tarbles - 5,200,000
Hey, its me again Aria, it is nice to know that you're still doing well mentally and physically wrathful as I was aware due to the community message a few days ago. It is good that you're getting roughly 10k views with that sub count being near it. Which is still pretty crazy for a newer 'what if' tuber. p.s. It is still amazing on how your what ifs are still on par with existing channels even with lower audio quality back then. I hope you would eventually get a collab with them in the future.
Thanks, the break helped me get things sorted and all the support I have been getting is crazy, I have a lot of what ifs for a while so I try my best to make it on the same level as the top what if youtubers as I know there is alot of what if youtubers and if I wanted to stand out I needed to be on par with the huge creators. I would love to collab with them so far the one what if youtuber I have got in contact with is Sacred Saiyan.
with Goku's power level at a baby I did explain it at the intro of the second part of this what if. My explanation was that I took Goten for example, at the same age as Gohan he was far many times stronger than him and was even being able to access ssj at a young age. Goku was much stronger when goten was made so I took that example with this goku even though Bardock is the same, also in my opinion i feel like saiyans would need a significant power level to be able to acheive ssj. I just don't see someone with a power level of 2 being able to have ssj or atleast being able to turn into a ssj he would have a stronger power level
@@WrathfulSaiyan I get that but ssj wasn't really stated to have a power requirement unlike UI so it theoretically should be possible to have ssj at only a PL of 2 or i may have not have found any piece of info that would show any specific strength requirement
@@arya93401 To be honest, we do not know if SSJ is actually a 50x over base always, we know that in Namek specifically it was 50x over base, but it could very well be that if your base gest stronger the multiplier gets lower and if your base is lower the multiplier is higher. After all in sagas after the freeza saga the ssj is used more like a x2 or x1.5 multiplier rather than a x50 multiplier, at least narratively. It could very well that there is a minimum power level that ssj gets you no matter what your base is if your base is lower than "x" or that the multiplier gets smaller after your base is higher than "x". Otherwise a lot of things make sero sense and Master Toriyama has admitted in the past that he forgot that the SSJ was supposed to be a x50 and treated it more like a x10 multiplier in his mind. In the manga itself it is never acknowledged that is actually a multiplier at all btw, that was in a dainzetsu, in the manga itself in namek specifically you could calculate to be around 50 times by using the kaioken as comparative but reality is that using ssj maybe adds you just 25 million to your power level and after adding it, multiplies it x2, that could still be a 50 times stronger in namek. Or it could be that it adds you a cool 5 million to power level and multiplier your overall power level by 10, if you have power levels lower than the million you get 50 million, but if you have base of 100 million, you get a 1100 million instead of 5000 million. There are a myriad of ways for the SSJ in namek to be 50 times and after that not being 50 times.
@@WrathfulSaiyan"when Goku was born super sayian it was decided that he would stay on planet Vegeta and not be sent on earth. But ginne or bardock somehow slipped and dropped him into a space pod and got launched to earth anyways" 😂😂😂😂
I explained it in the start of Part 2 on why I made his power level higher, basically I thought it would make no sense of his power level being so low and still have super saiyan
Thank you for not including kid gohan but OG Gohan and the way you linked Trunks, Bardock Jnr and the other one to his and Roshi's legacy as a martial artists. What a great movie
@@WrathfulSaiyan there's a what if that I've been sitting on for a while takes place in the GT timeline but since it'll be centred around side characters with massive potential the story can be stretched to fit some of the events that take place in the super timeline. Lemme know if you're interested I don't really have the expertise like you and it'd be nice if it was executed properly as that'll let the plot shine
While I personally believe the power levels in the initial part to be a bit low at times, that doesn't matter in the grand scheme. What really matters is the story, and this was done very well. I just have a couple issues. Firstly, I feel that Kakarot specifically should have already mastered Super Saiyan in those first three years. I thought you were alluding to that when you said he never fell out of the form as well. That was a letdown, narratively speaking. Secondly, you stated Namekian fusion has no flat-rate boost, but that isn't fully true. Yea, it does vary by the individual, but, it happens to be about a 5x boost in each scenario for Piccolo, who's similar to Nail. From Piccolo to Kami's fusion, as well as Piccolo to Nail. A lot of people don't seem to realize that Piccolo's power level exceeded 200,000 upon first meeting Nail. Piccolo was getting dominated by a half suppressed 17 into later matching him, which implies he went from 20-25% to 100% of 17's peak strength. From this point, it would only make sense to imply that it's either 5x or less, considering they wouldn't be as strong of fusions. Another thing is that the potential boost from Guru is gradual in the original state of Namek. Krillin would eventually hit six digits off of this alone in terms of power level, so going to 60,000 should only be initial at the absolute best.
I get where you are coming from with the fact of Goku staying in the form but with me making what if's I don't usually like the ones that would get out of hand, I made it that he has access to the form at will at a young age but it just didn't seem logical with staying ssj forever. With the Namekian fusion multiplier I tried to do my research to give off the best power levels I can, I am knowledgeable with dragon ball but I wouldn't call myself a master power scaler. I do know there is an argument that Piccolo fusion with Kami is stronger compared to piccolo fusing with nail because it was his other half but again i am not too sure
@@WrathfulSaiyan that's entirely fair. I figured it might have been something like that with the mastered SSJ part, I was just mainly curious to see if that was intentional. I rocked with the series nonetheless, it didn't really take much away. Yeah, it's kind of difficult to really get the information now. I've seen so many weird claims thrown around. I've been finding it best to stick to source material while taking the databooks with a grain of salt. Sometimes they're the most trustworthy source, but other times they are on some absolute bullshit. For example, the anime canonically shows Zamasu's descent into a lack of pure heartedness, visually representing it as well through the tea swirls and killing of his own master, but then you get claims that he's pure of heart as merged zamasu. There are just a choice few moments where a statement entirely overrides the fiction itself, and we all have our own view on which one should win that. Personally, I'm going with source material: there are often times you tell a story you didn't intend.
Piccolo's power was nowhere near 200,000 when he meets Nail. Piccolo was only 3,500 when he fought Nappa. Then he was only on King Kai's planet for about a week before getting revived. At most I would say he doubled his power to 7,000 when he meets Nail. Because Piccolo didn't actually train with everyone on King Kai's planet. He was just there doing his own thing.
I like the idea, a twist on this really, that given the relatively low Saiyan population, that while they could act as peacekeepers or good-aligned mercenaries, a major component of their "protection agreement" would be training up the local populations defense force. It would also be something of a knowledge exchange. The Saiyans as they travel learn more skills which they can further distribute to good hearted individuals and the cycle continues. Given the potential of saiyans they would likely continue to grow faster than the defenders of whatever planets theyve already visited and could circle back to refresh the contract, collect payments, and train with the locals a bit (or handle any direct threats that have popped up)
Actually, the starting power level would be 100 since hes power level 2 and ssj is 50x multi And its stated that kaioken x20 is the max (kaioken x100 goku is not cannon) The forms of ssj4 that the saiyans got cannonically would just be lssj since ssj4 is oozaru+ ssj while lssj is akari that is oozaru in a human form+ ssj.
with Goku's power level at a baby I did explain it at the intro of the second part of this what if. My explanation was that I took Goten for example, at the same age as Gohan he was far many times stronger than him and was even being able to access ssj at a young age. Goku was much stronger when goten was made so I took that example with this goku even though Bardock is the same, also in my opinion i feel like saiyans would need a significant power level to be able to acheive ssj. I just don't see someone with a power level of 2 being able to have ssj or atleast being able to turn into a ssj he would have a stronger power level
In order to be a super saiyan, a saiyan possess both a high amount of S cells and a sufficiently high base power level. The only way for a baby saiyan to match these criteria is to have both is to be a mutant. I think Kakkarot in this case is a mutant.
i like how this what if turns out,on other youtubers what if's everytime saiyans win against frieza bardock and his family are the only one who are good and want peace to planet vegeta
Im sad i didn’t find this channel earlier. I have been listening to What if’s for years and yours was really entertaining Scratch that, i just checked first what if of yours i watched was what if goku never stopped training😅
wrathful saiyan, I wanna say something, golden great ape would actually be either a 50,000x or a 500,000x increase because the show itself wasn't consistent so instead of 500x it became higher.
1:03:32 One issue. Grade 4 SSJ is equal to Grade 3 in strength. Grade 3 is 10x stronger than regular SSJ, putting it at a 500x multiplier over base (SSJ2 is 1000x and SSJ3 is 4000x). Goku's Power Level here, if he jumped straight to Grade 4 SSJ, should be 1.7 *Billion*
That could be true, I did look into it and I see people discussing how ssj grade 3 is stronger but you lose stamina and speed (compared to ssj grade 4 where it is the opposite) but I know possibly that the grades do have a slightly bigger power boost but I don't think its stacks on the ssj multiplier but more of an increase multiplier to base. So ssj grade three would be a 60x multiplier from base to the normal ssj 50x multiplier
(Remembers his power level was 5 when he was a baby) Bardock: (scans the power level since Kakarot seems quite special, believing his son is the next legendary super Saiyan) His power level is 250! King Vegeta: So? That's still weak. Bardock: But his hair! King Vegeta: Propbably just a mutant, a weak one at that, since your just a low class Saiyan.
I do see the mistake in my calculation as but if I did do it right it would be at 4 Bil cause it would be 10 mil times 20 since mystic would take his strongest form power at base then 200 Mil times 20 as he could double stack kaioken to 4 Bil
with Goku's power level at a baby I did explain it at the intro of the second part of this what if. My explanation was that I took Goten for example, at the same age as Gohan he was far many times stronger than him and was even being able to access ssj at a young age. Goku was much stronger when goten was made so I took that example with this goku even though Bardock is the same, also in my opinion i feel like saiyans would need a significant power level to be able to acheive ssj. I just don't see someone with a power level of 2 being able to have ssj or atleast being able to turn into a ssj he would have a stronger power level
I enjoyed this. It was surprisingly refreshing. My only nitpicks weren't even with the story: There's no X is ask And it's TarblE, not TarbleS Seems stupid, I know, but that's my OCD for ya.
I have head cannon that ssj is a 50x multiplier IF it is their first time going super saiyan. After that, the power of super saiyan is added to their base power level almost like how super saiyan god empowers the base power level even after it dissipates. It just makes the most sense to me.
Wait what happned to raditz and terles in the tournament of power. They were fighting the wolf tro and we never heard what happned to them did they win or lose. Or were they there still so woudlnt they be with vegeta being the last 3
I am glad you like my new avatar! I wouldn't say I'm asian but hispanic but since my character is in the dragon ball universe I do want to keep him looking like the similar style to everyone else in the show
Spirit ball isn’t like the spirit bomb or soul punisher plus here goku is kakarot and isn’t fully pure of heat he’s good but no like how he was in canon
Beerus wouldn't have risked aiming a planet destroying attack at Goku in that scenario, because if Goku had failed to stop it then it would have destroyed the planet along with everyone on it, including the Supreme Kai, and due to the life link between every Destroyer and their Kai, that would mean Beerus would technically be offing himself.
At least be lore friendly here. Goku base power level at birth was about 5ish which is why he was always considered a (low class Saiyan) so going Super Saiyan would put him at 500. Just strong enough to wipe all the OG Dragon Ball series villains and put him on equal footing with Guko in the Radiz Saga. 10000 from birth is a broly thing
Why is everyone so pressed over baby goku being 500k like, makes sense he needs to be also its a WHAT IF. People being like Goku would only have a powerlevel of 100 ITS A WHAT IF GET OVER IT AND ENJOY THE STORY 😭😭
that is true but what I did that most other what if youtuber don't do is explain why they made the big change and how it would make sense and not be too crazy off
@WrathfulSaiyan Legendary Super Saiyan is the super saiyan of Ikari... The Ikari of super saiyan is False Super Saiyan The super saiyan version of super saiyan is Ascendant Saiyan or Ultra Saiyan While a transformation in SS4 is possible... extremely unlikely even by the best of standards. The only points in their favor is they start ahead because ss1 is unlocked, and that they have more time. Also... Freeza destroyed the Saiyans the day Broly and Goku were born... as explained by the Broly movie. Best case scenario Broly and Goku get sent to earth together.
yea but like that was written after the fact, I mean Bulma looked scared when she saw demon king piccolo and other aliens in Z which is just a big loop hole
with Goku's power level at a baby I did explain it at the intro of the second part of this what if. My explanation was that I took Goten for example, at the same age as Gohan he was far many times stronger than him and was even being able to access ssj at a young age. Goku was much stronger when goten was made so I took that example with this goku even though Bardock is the same, also in my opinion i feel like saiyans would need a significant power level to be able to acheive ssj. I just don't see someone with a power level of 2 being able to have ssj or atleast being able to turn into a ssj he would have a stronger power level
King Vegeta: Get rid of him!
Every Saiyan with a brain:...yeah, how about no? Like, fuck no!
exactly that is the legendary super saiyan
Saiyans: he would be quite useful to Vegeta.
King Vegeta: my son, the planet, or me?
Saiyans: YES!!!
the lore if they got rid of him: basically death.
People thought (rightfully) that broly was the legend and vegeta still got rid of him. Also ssj baby goku should be 500 PL and bardock has the same PL as king vegeta so why wouldnt he be a match for him considering he's also been on the battlefield more 😅?
@@user-gd1no3gf6d bardock was weaker
I gotta admit these stories are more hectic that what most other RUclipsrs write which is a breath of fresh air considering oftentimes they follow the arcs too closely which considering how bad the zamasu saga was it's nice to see people discarding it and getting more creative
You know I love how wrathful saiyan does these stories they are more chaotic!
@@tannerartibey7168 quite so he'd make a good writer for dragon Ball super
@@Omega_1306 for real for real!
I am glad you like my writing! surpise i am considered to be a more hectic writer as I thought I am rather more calm than others, with arcs I go by how it would happen and if they can't happen then they don't so with how the story progresses it would decide the fate of each arc so each story won't go through the same arc as normal dragon ball
@@WrathfulSaiyan and that's quite the better option as I'm comparing your works with "Salad Saiyan"
I quite enjoy how chaotic things get compared with salad every arc has a more segmented pacing for the characters that gives the cast more breaks between events
That's what i Meant by describing this series as hectic especially the chapters involving cooler and baby and it actually creates more tension in the story beats 👍
P.S the way you pronounce Morro's name is just funny to me 😂
Initial critique: i do believe that Bardock canonically could hold his own against king vegeta. Bardock was a hard worker with countless battle experience. The royal family grew stagnant due to the old saiyan's ideals of strength being inherent and not variable. Mind you, kid vegeta was already stronger than his father. Bardock had a power level around 10k, and the king never trained. I think Bardock vs. King Vegeta would be a good fight.
That I don't disagree the only thing that makes it iffy for me is someone being stronger than the king, I mean u saw how he reacted when it came to baby broly
@@WrathfulSaiyanI don't think it's about being stronger than King Vegeta but potentially being or becoming stronger than Prince Vegeta, it would make sense why Bardock never concerned him but Broly did
Their power levels are 10k for bardock and 11k for The king
@@lyingspino6728the king is at 10,000, bardock was stated to be "AROUND 10,000" after his battles across the galaxy
Yes, considering that King Vegeta had near no experience in battle compared to Bardock. Saiyan Saga proved that power level alone when opponent is slightly stronger doesn't matter that much
It started out a little messy, but after Frieza's death, I got really invested!
yea the first few parts I can admit was a stretch but afterwards it made more sense
@@WrathfulSaiyan Considering 100%Final Form Frieza's like 120m, yeah, huge stretch..
I for one became immediately uninterested once you killed off Vegeta not even 9 minutes into a 2hr40m video. Even if he comes back.
Like I'm REALLY enjoying Daima atm, idc what people have/are/will say about it. The only gripe I do have with it, is the other cast members being left out, when the episode count is supposedly going to be low.
Thing is though, ssj is a x50 multiplier at a power of 10,000 10,000 x 50 is only 500,000. And frieza would probably become aware of his power. And just eradicate the saiyans as quickly as possible.
Very well could've happened but I wanted to keep with the interesting route of the series
My theory is that mutant saiyans have the LSSJ transformation. It theoretically has in infinite multiplier.
NERD HE BASED IT OF ESTIMATION GET IT ROGHT
@@lewisgrant7622 not everyone has good grammar you know, no need to call them out-_-
not to mention that gokus power level at birth was like 5 or something so his ssj at birth would be 250
Born with a powerlevel of 100, that's like... idk 20 farmers with shotguns. Let's fucking goooo
I did explain how he was stronger at the start of part 2 😭plus TWENTY farmers with shotguns they solo anything
@@WrathfulSaiyan that's what I'm saying.
Whatchu gon' do when dem 20 Farmers w/ shotguns pull up to ya crip?
You ain't gon do jack shit
@@WrathfulSaiyantill they run out of ammo
@@SirSans842Unless they have the aim of a stormtrooper, you'd be full of lead before they run out of ammunition.
this my first what if video on your channel (i think) but i love this ngl man
Glad you enjoy it!
Wrathful saiyan congratulations you are the first youtuber that does these stories that actually knows English and how to pronounce the names of the characters be proud your a legend
uhhh thanks lol English is just my first language
What if Gohan became Super Saiyan on Planet Namek
He did it already
ffs use the search function on a person's channel...
@@SaiyanDekuX that was goku and gohan, not only gohan
@@_WiZ420 if Gohan was the only one frieza would've won
@@UltraPickleMan Not if he kills him before he goes into his final form. Remember Gohan fought every form, this could have been as early as 2nd form’s crashout
1:30 Broly would be still sent away as he is 5 years older than goku, so his interaction with him would have still had him sent to vampa.
Yeah and also when goku got transported to earth suddenly shouldn't have happened since shenron asks the people if they want to go same for bulma
No don't ruin the video
@@GertieMaega it was criticism
Wrathful can learn from criticism
Yea that is on me as I got it mixed up with Z broly since dbs broly is born around the same time as Vegeta but if that was the case I would feel like they would go get broly back and maybe I could've done a little arc with paragus trying to end kid vegeta with kid broly
Yes I can learn and i am always open to yall thoughts so I can learn to be a better writer
What If Goku was born as a super saiyan?
We all know how the story of dragon ball and the original story of how Planet Vegeta was destroyed. What If things were different, what if Goku was born as the legend that Frieza feared so much? How would this change affect the whole story of Dragon Ball?
Chapters
0:00 - Intro
0:23 - Saiyan Revolution Saga
9:42 - Planet Cereal Saga
18:00 - Planet Earth Saga
26:58 - New Saiyan Era Saga
34:57 - Saiyan Expansion Saga
44:54 - Joint Alliance Saga
56:34 - Cooler's Invasion Saga
1:07:44 - Time Of Peace Saga
1:18:59 - Majin Saiyan Saga
1:29:54 - Saiyan God Saga
1:40:57 - Battle of Gods Saga
1:51:52 - Universe 6 vs Universe 7 Saga
2:01:09 - Baby Saga
2:11:53 - Tournament of Power Saga
2:22:18 - Moro Saga
2:31:52 - Ultimate Rivalry Saga
2:39:58 - Outro
nice
Nice
always glad to see yamcha stay with bulma but also glad the Saiyan's are alive
Giving the life my boy yamcha deserves
one of the best what ifs I have watched good job 👏
I watched a lot DB what ifs and this by far was the best. I really enjoyed it and with that I subscribe. Thank you, my 2hrs not wasted
Welcome aboard! And I’m glad you enjoyed the what if
What If Gohan Was Reborn With His Memories And Powers?
Maybe
That sounds potentially interesting. Maybe he's killed by Black Frieza and wakes up in his 3/4 year old self. Of course preventing the resurrection of frieza would be as simple as not letting him join the TOP but the Zamasu arc would be problematic. Especially if we get Gohan Black. Not to mention other butterfly effects.
so basically, vegeta turned into goku at the end (this story is amazing)
Yep and I am glad you like the story!
This is supremely superb. Have you ever thought of doing crossovers.
I am happy you like the series, I have thought of some ideas like if goku travelled to other universes or if he was raised in other universes
You’re a good story teller bro. I enjoyed it
Thanks man I appreciate that
Canonically his power level would be 100
S-Cells.
@@omarnassar461that doesn't change the multipler of ssj, s-cells just means that they can turn ssj easier because they're good
@@eve_lasandia_de_arte5803 S-Cells increase the more battle power a Saiyan has, so to make this story logical, Goku would need a large battle power, it is the same reason he couldn't turn SSJ the first time krillin died.
And it’s just plot armor
with Goku's power level at a baby I did explain it at the intro of the second part of this what if. My explanation was that I took Goten for example, at the same age as Gohan he was far many times stronger than him and was even being able to access ssj at a young age. Goku was much stronger when goten was made so I took that example with this goku even though Bardock is the same, also in my opinion i feel like saiyans would need a significant power level to be able to acheive ssj. I just don't see someone with a power level of 2 being able to have ssj or atleast being able to turn into a ssj he would have a stronger power level
Really creative. I really loved that kakarot went the [spoiler1] and vegeta went the [spoiler2] way. Switching them was super cool.
Spoiler 1 is destruction and 2 is angel.
Loll yea it fit them better since their characters are different
Does that mean Gine in this timeline was a princess or queen? So she'd go from soldier to cook, to queen, maybe a gardener by the end.
For a bit yes and when her son Raditz became king she was set for life :)
I love that Yamcha got some love in this video. This was very entertaining :)
I will always try to give the humans and other fighters the love they deserve
I'm holding onto hope that bulma and Yamcha gets a divorce because Yamcha isn't loyal so he'd probably end up cheating or something because if I'm not mistaken that's why they originally broke up but I could be wrong it's been awhile since I looked into anything dragon ball related
i wish yt gave you more attention
They do, its crazy how many ppl watch my videos!
@@WrathfulSaiyan i wish you a great journey ahead
Nice vid bro! I want you to carry on this series, and you got a new sub!
Thanks! I am thinking of maybe going into the gt stuff or even creating my own arcs
Goku in golden oozaru should transform into ssj4 4:55
That would’ve been way too early 😭
1:17:26
base kakarot - 23,000,000
base broly - 19,000,000
base raditz - 16,650,000
base turles - 14,760,300
granolah - 14,000,000
base tarbles - 5,200,000
pretty fair scaling
@@WrathfulSaiyan ty.
@@WrathfulSaiyan btw, raditz would probably stand at 100 billion at base.
@@WrathfulSaiyan at the end of the what if.
Btw it's Tarble not tarbles
Chapters
0:00 - Intro
0:23 - Saiyan Revolution Saga
9:42 - Planet Cereal Saga
18:00 - Planet Earth Saga
26:58 - New Saiyan Era Saga
34:57 - Saiyan Expansion Saga
44:54 - Joint Alliance Saga
56:34 - Cooler's Invasion Saga
1:07:44 - Time Of Peace Saga
1:18:59 - Majin Saiyan Saga
1:29:54 - Saiyan God Saga
1:40:57 - Battle of Gods Saga
1:51:52 - Universe 6 vs Universe 7 Saga
2:01:09 - Baby Saga
2:11:53 - Tournament of Power Saga
2:22:18 - Moro Saga
2:31:52 - Ultimate Rivalry Saga
2:39:58 - Outro
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Hey, its me again Aria, it is nice to know that you're still doing well mentally and physically wrathful as I was aware due to the community message a few days ago. It is good that you're getting roughly 10k views with that sub count being near it. Which is still pretty crazy for a newer 'what if' tuber.
p.s. It is still amazing on how your what ifs are still on par with existing channels even with lower audio quality back then. I hope you would eventually get a collab with them in the future.
Thanks, the break helped me get things sorted and all the support I have been getting is crazy, I have a lot of what ifs for a while so I try my best to make it on the same level as the top what if youtubers as I know there is alot of what if youtubers and if I wanted to stand out I needed to be on par with the huge creators. I would love to collab with them so far the one what if youtuber I have got in contact with is Sacred Saiyan.
I love how bulma is just unphased by 10× Earth's gravity
let's just say she has a special suit lol
@@WrathfulSaiyan she went there unexpectedly
i tought super saiyan was supposted to multiply ur power level by 50 so if kakarot power level was 2 it should have become 100 not 10k
with Goku's power level at a baby I did explain it at the intro of the second part of this what if. My explanation was that I took Goten for example, at the same age as Gohan he was far many times stronger than him and was even being able to access ssj at a young age. Goku was much stronger when goten was made so I took that example with this goku even though Bardock is the same, also in my opinion i feel like saiyans would need a significant power level to be able to acheive ssj. I just don't see someone with a power level of 2 being able to have ssj or atleast being able to turn into a ssj he would have a stronger power level
@@WrathfulSaiyan makes sense, thank for the explanation, i too think that to achive ssj you power level must be surely higher than 2
@@WrathfulSaiyan I get that but ssj wasn't really stated to have a power requirement unlike UI so it theoretically should be possible to have ssj at only a PL of 2 or i may have not have found any piece of info that would show any specific strength requirement
@@arya93401 To be honest, we do not know if SSJ is actually a 50x over base always, we know that in Namek specifically it was 50x over base, but it could very well be that if your base gest stronger the multiplier gets lower and if your base is lower the multiplier is higher. After all in sagas after the freeza saga the ssj is used more like a x2 or x1.5 multiplier rather than a x50 multiplier, at least narratively. It could very well that there is a minimum power level that ssj gets you no matter what your base is if your base is lower than "x" or that the multiplier gets smaller after your base is higher than "x". Otherwise a lot of things make sero sense and Master Toriyama has admitted in the past that he forgot that the SSJ was supposed to be a x50 and treated it more like a x10 multiplier in his mind.
In the manga itself it is never acknowledged that is actually a multiplier at all btw, that was in a dainzetsu, in the manga itself in namek specifically you could calculate to be around 50 times by using the kaioken as comparative but reality is that using ssj maybe adds you just 25 million to your power level and after adding it, multiplies it x2, that could still be a 50 times stronger in namek. Or it could be that it adds you a cool 5 million to power level and multiplier your overall power level by 10, if you have power levels lower than the million you get 50 million, but if you have base of 100 million, you get a 1100 million instead of 5000 million.
There are a myriad of ways for the SSJ in namek to be 50 times and after that not being 50 times.
Great & creative! New channel fan!
Thanks and welcome
Purely creative
My fav part about this what if is that I had so move room to make my own story
@@WrathfulSaiyan i an an invalid being, too strong too exist so i was [CONTENT DELETED] by god
Your stories are well made and are fun to listen!
I am glad you like them!
Great story! I vastly prefer these style what ifs vs when they stick to the timeline even if it doesn’t make sense
Yea I will never do that, if the normal events of the timeline cannot happen I’m not gonna force them to
@@WrathfulSaiyan"when Goku was born super sayian it was decided that he would stay on planet Vegeta and not be sent on earth. But ginne or bardock somehow slipped and dropped him into a space pod and got launched to earth anyways"
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Thank you :D
You're Welcome!
Very Very Great Story 👏👏👏👏
Many many thanks
42:16 radits as a great ape looks fricken awesome
He doessss
@@WrathfulSaiyan i now feel like dragon ball z robbed us of this form
Wouldn’t goku’s power level as an infant only be 250 as super saiyan? Where’s this over 10,000 coming from?
I explained it in the start of Part 2 on why I made his power level higher, basically I thought it would make no sense of his power level being so low and still have super saiyan
I love watching these while fried
lolll
Thank you for not including kid gohan but OG Gohan and the way you linked Trunks, Bardock Jnr and the other one to his and Roshi's legacy as a martial artists.
What a great movie
Glad you think so, I did have fun having my own original characters implimented into the story as it gave me full control on their characters
@@WrathfulSaiyan there's a what if that I've been sitting on for a while takes place in the GT timeline but since it'll be centred around side characters with massive potential the story can be stretched to fit some of the events that take place in the super timeline. Lemme know if you're interested I don't really have the expertise like you and it'd be nice if it was executed properly as that'll let the plot shine
You should do a what if Goku was born a super saiyan and was sent to earth as a baby
Maybe one day
Still no explanation as to why the sayains would consider training, zenkai boosts were all they knew.
Eventually I feel like they would start training instead of just spamming zenkai
1:23:21 I can’t believe we got Majin John Cena
Bro wanted to make that cameo lol
this was a great story
Glad you liked it!
Thank you for the awesome video i really enjoyed it and i hope you keep on rocking 🤘💙
thank you! and I am glad you like the part
@@WrathfulSaiyan aww you are very welcome 🤗 i love it 💙
While I personally believe the power levels in the initial part to be a bit low at times, that doesn't matter in the grand scheme. What really matters is the story, and this was done very well. I just have a couple issues. Firstly, I feel that Kakarot specifically should have already mastered Super Saiyan in those first three years. I thought you were alluding to that when you said he never fell out of the form as well. That was a letdown, narratively speaking. Secondly, you stated Namekian fusion has no flat-rate boost, but that isn't fully true. Yea, it does vary by the individual, but, it happens to be about a 5x boost in each scenario for Piccolo, who's similar to Nail. From Piccolo to Kami's fusion, as well as Piccolo to Nail. A lot of people don't seem to realize that Piccolo's power level exceeded 200,000 upon first meeting Nail. Piccolo was getting dominated by a half suppressed 17 into later matching him, which implies he went from 20-25% to 100% of 17's peak strength. From this point, it would only make sense to imply that it's either 5x or less, considering they wouldn't be as strong of fusions. Another thing is that the potential boost from Guru is gradual in the original state of Namek. Krillin would eventually hit six digits off of this alone in terms of power level, so going to 60,000 should only be initial at the absolute best.
I ain't reading allat💀
@@omarnassar461 I don't care
I get where you are coming from with the fact of Goku staying in the form but with me making what if's I don't usually like the ones that would get out of hand, I made it that he has access to the form at will at a young age but it just didn't seem logical with staying ssj forever. With the Namekian fusion multiplier I tried to do my research to give off the best power levels I can, I am knowledgeable with dragon ball but I wouldn't call myself a master power scaler. I do know there is an argument that Piccolo fusion with Kami is stronger compared to piccolo fusing with nail because it was his other half but again i am not too sure
@@WrathfulSaiyan that's entirely fair. I figured it might have been something like that with the mastered SSJ part, I was just mainly curious to see if that was intentional. I rocked with the series nonetheless, it didn't really take much away.
Yeah, it's kind of difficult to really get the information now. I've seen so many weird claims thrown around. I've been finding it best to stick to source material while taking the databooks with a grain of salt. Sometimes they're the most trustworthy source, but other times they are on some absolute bullshit. For example, the anime canonically shows Zamasu's descent into a lack of pure heartedness, visually representing it as well through the tea swirls and killing of his own master, but then you get claims that he's pure of heart as merged zamasu. There are just a choice few moments where a statement entirely overrides the fiction itself, and we all have our own view on which one should win that. Personally, I'm going with source material: there are often times you tell a story you didn't intend.
Piccolo's power was nowhere near 200,000 when he meets Nail. Piccolo was only 3,500 when he fought Nappa. Then he was only on King Kai's planet for about a week before getting revived. At most I would say he doubled his power to 7,000 when he meets Nail. Because Piccolo didn't actually train with everyone on King Kai's planet. He was just there doing his own thing.
Dang, this was amazing in a way I wish the main story was this. 😢😢
Thanks I am glad you like the story
Thank you for using your voice 🙏🏼 I despise those ai whatifers
No problem! I know people enjoy an actual voice compare to a ai voice
tingle in the bag ahhhh transformation
never deny the tingle lollll
That was awesome
Thanks!
This Is the greatest What if
Thanks!
I like the idea, a twist on this really, that given the relatively low Saiyan population, that while they could act as peacekeepers or good-aligned mercenaries, a major component of their "protection agreement" would be training up the local populations defense force. It would also be something of a knowledge exchange. The Saiyans as they travel learn more skills which they can further distribute to good hearted individuals and the cycle continues. Given the potential of saiyans they would likely continue to grow faster than the defenders of whatever planets theyve already visited and could circle back to refresh the contract, collect payments, and train with the locals a bit (or handle any direct threats that have popped up)
Honestly if the Saiyans were good or like mercenaries their race would definitely advance like that
Yea i listen to these at work
I hope the story helps you with work!
If goku never went back to his base form then its essentially what if he was born with ssj grade 4
Yea lol
@@WrathfulSaiyanmake what if goku was evil pls
Actually, the starting power level would be 100 since hes power level 2 and ssj is 50x multi
And its stated that kaioken x20 is the max (kaioken x100 goku is not cannon)
The forms of ssj4 that the saiyans got cannonically would just be lssj since ssj4 is oozaru+ ssj while lssj is akari that is oozaru in a human form+ ssj.
I did explain why I made his power level higher in the part 2 video
Fun fact, according to the wiki, Goku had a power level of 2 as a baby, so super sayan goku would've been weaker than vegeta
with Goku's power level at a baby I did explain it at the intro of the second part of this what if. My explanation was that I took Goten for example, at the same age as Gohan he was far many times stronger than him and was even being able to access ssj at a young age. Goku was much stronger when goten was made so I took that example with this goku even though Bardock is the same, also in my opinion i feel like saiyans would need a significant power level to be able to acheive ssj. I just don't see someone with a power level of 2 being able to have ssj or atleast being able to turn into a ssj he would have a stronger power level
In order to be a super saiyan, a saiyan possess both a high amount of S cells and a sufficiently high base power level. The only way for a baby saiyan to match these criteria is to have both is to be a mutant. I think Kakkarot in this case is a mutant.
@@WrathfulSaiyan it was just something interesting, no worries
wait i didnt know you came back bro
lol yea I took almost a month break and was ready to come back to make videos
@WrathfulSaiyan im happy you came back, you were my favorite what if youtuber
Good vid😢
Thanks
i like how this what if turns out,on other youtubers what if's everytime saiyans win against frieza bardock and his family are the only one who are good and want peace to planet vegeta
I feel like the saiyans would follow who the super saiyan is and most saiyans would turn good except maybe the elite saiyans in my opinion
Love it!
glad you think so!
44:42 he was definitely holding that left arm.
the cursed pose
Im sad i didn’t find this channel earlier. I have been listening to What if’s for years and yours was really entertaining
Scratch that, i just checked first what if of yours i watched was what if goku never stopped training😅
I hope you enjoy my what ifs!
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I think that Radditz's son should be named Rigger, Kakorot's 1st son should be named Bardock Jr. (Similar to Gohan got his name after Grandpa Gohan).
That would’ve work but here Raditz had his kid first and had a closer bond with his father compared to Kakarot
If Goku was born as a SSJ, or rather, if ANY Saiyan was born a SSJ. Frieza would've immediately blown the planet up xD
They would keep it a secret from Frieza until they attack
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wrathful saiyan, I wanna say something, golden great ape would actually be either a 50,000x or a 500,000x increase because the show itself wasn't consistent so instead of 500x it became higher.
Yea I know the multiplier would've been higher but I didn't want Broly to get an insane power up that would make no sense in the story
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I’m glad you love it!
1:03:32
One issue. Grade 4 SSJ is equal to Grade 3 in strength. Grade 3 is 10x stronger than regular SSJ, putting it at a 500x multiplier over base (SSJ2 is 1000x and SSJ3 is 4000x). Goku's Power Level here, if he jumped straight to Grade 4 SSJ, should be 1.7 *Billion*
That could be true, I did look into it and I see people discussing how ssj grade 3 is stronger but you lose stamina and speed (compared to ssj grade 4 where it is the opposite) but I know possibly that the grades do have a slightly bigger power boost but I don't think its stacks on the ssj multiplier but more of an increase multiplier to base. So ssj grade three would be a 60x multiplier from base to the normal ssj 50x multiplier
(Remembers his power level was 5 when he was a baby)
Bardock: (scans the power level since Kakarot seems quite special, believing his son is the next legendary super Saiyan) His power level is 250!
King Vegeta: So? That's still weak.
Bardock: But his hair!
King Vegeta: Propbably just a mutant, a weak one at that, since your just a low class Saiyan.
I did explain why Goku’s power level was higher than normal 😭😭
1:21:14 isn't 10 million to 2 billion a 200x increase?
I do see the mistake in my calculation as but if I did do it right it would be at 4 Bil cause it would be 10 mil times 20 since mystic would take his strongest form power at base then 200 Mil times 20 as he could double stack kaioken to 4 Bil
Bro baby Kakorot as a SSJ would be at a power of 100
with Goku's power level at a baby I did explain it at the intro of the second part of this what if. My explanation was that I took Goten for example, at the same age as Gohan he was far many times stronger than him and was even being able to access ssj at a young age. Goku was much stronger when goten was made so I took that example with this goku even though Bardock is the same, also in my opinion i feel like saiyans would need a significant power level to be able to acheive ssj. I just don't see someone with a power level of 2 being able to have ssj or atleast being able to turn into a ssj he would have a stronger power level
I enjoyed this. It was surprisingly refreshing. My only nitpicks weren't even with the story:
There's no X is ask
And it's TarblE, not TarbleS
Seems stupid, I know, but that's my OCD for ya.
Nah I understand fully lol I am glad that u liked it
Nahh this is such a good what if🎉
I’m glad you think so
I have head cannon that ssj is a 50x multiplier IF it is their first time going super saiyan. After that, the power of super saiyan is added to their base power level almost like how super saiyan god empowers the base power level even after it dissipates. It just makes the most sense to me.
Im not to sure about that, like I can understand the god form but not about the ssj form
41:37
Me this whole scene:
GREAT APE! POWER BALL! COME ON! THIS COULD BE EASY!!!
Hey, they did it! Yaay.
hope you like how it went down
please make more GO Goku
Goku what ifs?
I’ll be honest I made the last comment before hearing him say he stayed in super Saiyan entire time
Lol
Wait what happned to raditz and terles in the tournament of power. They were fighting the wolf tro and we never heard what happned to them did they win or lose. Or were they there still so woudlnt they be with vegeta being the last 3
They ended up getting knocked out due to the immense power of the strongest fighters
@@WrathfulSaiyan ohh ok I just wanted to know when it happened
Your avatar looks so much better and still thankfully Asian tysfm
I am glad you like my new avatar! I wouldn't say I'm asian but hispanic but since my character is in the dragon ball universe I do want to keep him looking like the similar style to everyone else in the show
What if Goku was betrayed by Kami and was trapped in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber
Honestly this is my least favorite what if “trend" I have seen
spirit ball would not have hurt goku because he's pure of heart
Spirit ball isn’t like the spirit bomb or soul punisher plus here goku is kakarot and isn’t fully pure of heat he’s good but no like how he was in canon
This thumbnail looks very similar to Carthu’s what if on if he had the god form at birth
I just checked and it was different all he had was kid goku with the god form
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As a fan of dragonball an z i really like the video.
I am glad you enjoyed this!
Beerus wouldn't have risked aiming a planet destroying attack at Goku in that scenario, because if Goku had failed to stop it then it would have destroyed the planet along with everyone on it, including the Supreme Kai, and due to the life link between every Destroyer and their Kai, that would mean Beerus would technically be offing himself.
I feel like he could tell if Goku could take the attack
Awesome Super Saiyan Goku Movie 💛🤍💜💚
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@@WrathfulSaiyan You’re Welcome
At least be lore friendly here. Goku base power level at birth was about 5ish which is why he was always considered a (low class Saiyan) so going Super Saiyan would put him at 500. Just strong enough to wipe all the OG Dragon Ball series villains and put him on equal footing with Guko in the Radiz Saga. 10000 from birth is a broly thing
I explained why i boosted his power level up in this what if, at the start of part 2 of this series
I’ll come back later to finish watching the video later, 7:00.
I hope you will enjoy it!
took salad saiyan’s whole flow
I do look up to him and other what if youtubers but I do also try to make it different from them
@@WrathfulSaiyan yeah you good bro i just wanted to fw you a lil, but we all love dragon ball, and the what if channels keeps the lore alive 🤞🏾
How you reply to all your comments
I go through them all and reply to them all manually
That’s crazy btw I love your videos
Why is everyone so pressed over baby goku being 500k like, makes sense he needs to be also its a WHAT IF. People being like Goku would only have a powerlevel of 100 ITS A WHAT IF GET OVER IT AND ENJOY THE STORY 😭😭
that is true but what I did that most other what if youtuber don't do is explain why they made the big change and how it would make sense and not be too crazy off
How the hell did they get super Saiyan 4
I can see that ssj4 being a like a super saiyan version of the Ikari form
@WrathfulSaiyan
Legendary Super Saiyan is the super saiyan of Ikari...
The Ikari of super saiyan is False Super Saiyan
The super saiyan version of super saiyan is Ascendant Saiyan or Ultra Saiyan
While a transformation in SS4 is possible... extremely unlikely even by the best of standards.
The only points in their favor is they start ahead because ss1 is unlocked, and that they have more time.
Also... Freeza destroyed the Saiyans the day Broly and Goku were born... as explained by the Broly movie. Best case scenario Broly and Goku get sent to earth together.
I think this starts a little weird because if I’m correct goku had a power level of just 2 so he only would have had a power level of 100 or so
I did explain in part 2 of the series why I amped Goku's power level
Wait didn't she know jaco as a little girl?so her meeting the Namekians wouldn't be her first experience with aliens
yea but like that was written after the fact, I mean Bulma looked scared when she saw demon king piccolo and other aliens in Z which is just a big loop hole
@@WrathfulSaiyan ohhhh that makes sense
@@WrathfulSaiyanAlthough one could argue that aliens like Demon King Piccolo are a good bit more intimidating than little ol Jaco
Would Jaco even go to earth without Goku going there
I feel like good chances yea
1:16:30 BRO I GOT JUMPSCARED I THOUGHT IT WAS "kakarot and raditz would find themself getting married" AND HAVE 2 CHILDREN😭
Nooooo lol you aren’t the first one to say that 😭
@@WrathfulSaiyan i was so scared bruh😭
I thought jamia is radits kid for a second cuz ilof similar hair style
😭😭😭 crazy twist if I swapped the kids
Bro has a major yamcha bais
Bro is my fav human and plus he technically could be the strongest now without saiyans on earth
@@WrathfulSaiyan I think krillin would still beat him
Am only 51 seconds in the video but ain't hit power level sputos to be a 100 because 50 x 2 is 100 but I have look at it all yet..
with Goku's power level at a baby I did explain it at the intro of the second part of this what if. My explanation was that I took Goten for example, at the same age as Gohan he was far many times stronger than him and was even being able to access ssj at a young age. Goku was much stronger when goten was made so I took that example with this goku even though Bardock is the same, also in my opinion i feel like saiyans would need a significant power level to be able to acheive ssj. I just don't see someone with a power level of 2 being able to have ssj or atleast being able to turn into a ssj he would have a stronger power level
@@WrathfulSaiyanthat’s why being born a ssj doesn’t make any sense, this story can’t be written to make sense