REPLY to Game Theory: Is A Shield Your BEST Weapon? (Assassin's Creed Valhalla)
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- Опубликовано: 16 окт 2024
- Matpat from Game Theory has made a video with a few factual errors about the effectiveness of duel-wielding's axes and shields, and if an arrow shot from a longbow could take off someone's head.
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I agree, finished it a few weeks ago and it has actually morally nuanced and challanging characters, wich is a rarity in fantasy writing. Loved it and waiting for another one.
I agree, finished it a few weeks ago and it has actually morally nuanced and challanging characters, wich is a rarity in fantasy writing. Loved it and waiting for another one.
Its not perfect, but damn the characters are great
I Ioved the book overall but that magic is o.p as heck I can't wait to see the follow up.
@@cinder2004 the thing about op magic is that when other people have it, its no longer op. Also when things like shades exist and the eternal night, op magic is the only thing that will allow for the survival of humanity
Shad: “When you’re aiming at a human sized target, anything that hits the target is the equivalent of a bullseye.”
Also Shad: *casually lands a headshot*
Well, he was aiming for the neck...
There's a reason he's actually CHADiversity.
@@pulguinha682 I know but it was funny how he missed the neck and still landed a shot that would have absolutely bodied someone lol
@@zachmercer1065 it would have corpsed someone
Headshot? That was almost an eyeshot. Unless the helm had a visor, that coulda been a helmed kill shot.
MatPat: Let me tell you about medieval weaponry!
Shad *holding sword*: Go on...
Shad : **raising a sword for a blow** Continue.
Shad *unscrewing his sword pommel*
@@sancturillore you mean skallagrim yes?
@@afinoxi Shad: *kills him* disagre
One thing as a slight criticism to what shad said about dual welding is from my mauy Thai experience and that is that you can’t really put your body into more than one strike at a time yes you can strike faster with two weapons but to really get power behind a strike using your whole body does far more damage
Shad Fact: Shad tried maximizing a fireball spell and accidentally ripped a hole in space time. He apologizes deeply for the three minutes and 82 seconds you lost. (Time manipulation is weird)
Thanks for the update. Time travel is weird.
What did you do to minutes? This scares me
You mean 4 minutes and 22 seconds? Or as this some infinity IQ stuff that petty mortals like me don't comprehend...
@@nasserfirelordarts6574 I think its just above our comprehension, I mean think back to the wizard who figured out how to eat food after he ate it accidentally forwarding time for 6 days and 27 hours.
Watch shad facts be a shad's other youtube account
"It's super hard to become pinpoint accurate with a warbow, let me demonstrate it"
*perfect head shot*
"... Well I didn't get the neck..."
To be fair, the neck is a weak point that can be easily exploited, but it's hard to hit with a bow. Hitting the head is way easier than landing a neck shot
Suffering from success
@@boneybaron2508 Great way of putting it. lol!
Like he said: hard to be pinpoint accurate with a warbow. He just got rngesus on his side
If the target had a metal helm, it think it would bounce off and go around the helm
It feels so rare, to hear someone say "you've got your facts wrong but I respect you as a person and I'd gladly help you with this in the future" rather than "omg lol he doesn't know what he's talking about, what an idiot!"
With all the toxicity on the internet, as well as within the division of society, it makes one appreciate small gestures such as these. You're a gentleman and a scholar, Shad!
Can't say i much disagree. I am no hero worshiper though, so if shad screws up, im comin for him! ;P
This is actually why I like Shad so much. He's only interested in the factual aspects of the information. Not in trying to be "better" than other creators.
To be quite honest, I have never been one for books, but I've recently been thinking about getting his because I think it'd be an interesting read.
@@asktoybox I read ocasionally, I haven't read his book yet, but I'd say wait until the graphic novel comes out. That or get both through his gofundme.
Graphic novel adaptations are generally shorter than the actual books.
Makes for an easier read.
That's because most people on the internet are indeed idiots, so its easy for them to say that. Love his response
It is rather sad how necessary (I assume) it was to give SO MANY layers of pre-emptive protective statements though
Anyone: says something wrong about the medieval period
Shad: DEATH TO ALL MISINFORMATION
ANTI-MISINFORMATIOONNNNNNNNSAH!
If you didnt read it same as MACHICOLATIONS, you are in a wrong neighbourhood, buddy 😁😁
Nah it's just mat pat. who kind of deserved it after the non effort to correct things when the entire historical youtube dunked on his for honour mess.
Mattpat caused the age of strife
No! This is not correct!
Shad: "I'm not attacking Matpat hes a great guy, my kids love his content"
*shadd is saying this while wearing armor with equip sword and arrows*
mini shad"Dad! Dad! why do you have the longbow?"
Shad:"I'm just going to talk to him"
*"I just wanna talk to him"*
@@MonsterPumpkin 'knocks arrow' "i just wanna talk to him"
Ya...talk.
You know, with ''messenge'' arrows.
RUclipsr version of
“I just wanna talk to him...”
Mattpat: mentions stick
Shadiversity: *H e i s l e a r n i n g*
I don’t mean to be rude to Matt but boy do I feel a lot better about my research now.
The wonderful quality of your videos is testament enough to your research ^_^
I’m just trying to wrap my head around that you watch each other’s videos.
Oh boy, i just finished binge watching your videos and now i see you here. I'm scared
... you know, I've actually been wondering... Have you read Shadow of the Conquerer? Cause I'd love to hear your review on it.
@@plzletmebefrank yes he did!!
Shad: "Lets see if I can hit the neck"
*Gets a casual headshot*
I fuckin died at his "...huh."
@@Uyyak shad in his mind: "im better than i thought.......maybe i can get that one annoying raccoon that keeps eating my trash"
He forgot to turn his aim bot off
I'll defend the arrow one. If that;s all the relevant contents that bit didn't seem like an historic claim. also I'm accurate enough with a bow to get a neck shot and I haven't done much of it all i'd have to do his aim for the chest and get jammy. Onto of this the guy doing it is most likely a bloodline assassin and so probably literally superhuman. I'd be willing to bet money an psychic powers in terms of more than humanly strong or accuracy i wouldn't actually put money on it.
@@cardboardbox191 I dont understand this comment...i read it 5 times and im still wondering what you mean..lol e.e
*MatPat makes video on medieval weaponry*
Shad: Aww sh*t, here we go again.
*Back to the gulags*
I knew the second i saw mats thumbnail that this video would be coming
True
Actually, I already expected that there would be a video from Shad. MatPat's video was just... eh, not that good.
Mat needs to quit when it comes to medieval weapons.
Shad: let's try and aim for he neck
*hits a bullseye in the forehead, just above the right eyebrow*
Shad: alright, but we didn't hit the neck
For those who want to find it: it’s at 35:02
he forgot to turn off aimbot
He’s just too good that he can’t hit a non-bullseye
Headshot!
*Task failed successfully*
Shad: *"how many times do we have to teach you this lesson, old man?"*
Doesn't matter if he and his team don't listen. It tends to infinity.
*Breathes in
*BOI
Math man not old man
"It's basically a stick with a heavy thing at the top"
Once MatPat said that *I KNEW* Shad would not take this insult lying down.
I honestly don't know how those words could pass mats lips without thinking about polearms
Grate quote.
@@The_Archi-Tech grating quoter grates quotes
Oh yesh. I was pissed lol axes are not clumsy weapons. Its the same misconception that peooke have with long swords
Time stamp?
The dude who got his arms lopped of, had to resort to unarmed combat.
Underrated comment
And thus, Naga kickfighting was born.
... i hate you...
Tis merely a flesh wound
@@Oldhandlewasabitcringe Bruh that monty reference is golden and fits perfectly.
The arrow decapitation just looks like the game trying to reward headshots with cinematic deaths.
Like how Fable has bandit heads pop off in a fountain of blood.
It is very satisfying when it happens. Definitely my 2nd favorite or maybe even my favorite assassin's creed, it's amazing.
@@DeCarbonZo5979
Yeah it’s just a dub that they added it in the game
Yeah and it’s fucking awesome, just for this *specific* instance historical accuracy can take a backseat
@Tuber Septis I mean some bows actually made decent weapons close up. An English Longbow without a string is a serviceable spear in a desperate situation, a Mongolian bow could be fired quick enough that anything outside of spear reach wasn't likely to live long enough to get that close, etc...
"DUAL WIELDING IS NOT EFFECTIVE"
Drummers would disagree
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
If you look at it like that any form of fiddle would also be dual weilding.
Yes we would my man. Obi Wan Kenobi is a drummer, bitches!!
Good one
Rick Allen has joined the chat
Me: sees that Game Theory put out a video about medieval arms and armor.
Also Me: "Oh, Shadiversity will be coming out with a new video soon."
Geothack7 I though the same thing when I watched the vid on game theory’s channel
As soon as the bearded axe shenannigans came up I thought no, we need shad.
I immediately thought the same thing.
same lol
You know, I was kinda in the same boat. I watched Mat's video and was like... wait, no hold on, hey hang on now, about several things, then realised today why I mostly knew what I was thinking of, it's because I'm very logically minded but also videos like that of Shad here XD
Matpat: * says anything about medival weapons *
* In the distance * : *SHADIVERSITY*
How many kilometres is that
@@monsieurjacob1033 infinite, shad will notice any misconception regarding medival weapons and culture.
MACHIKOLATIOOOOMS
@The End which is valid but matpat is incapable of making any kind of accurate historical claim
@The End MatPat does that EVERY time he about making any kind of accurate historical claims
"Could a medieval warbow decapitate a human? No. Unless you're extremely lucky."
The guy getting the head chopped of: "WhAt Do YoU MeAn By LuCKy?!?"
Person who chopped head is lucky
@@xsasukex8298 he was making a joke…
Lucky to get a quick death instead of slowly bleeding out ;D
Fast and honorable death, especially if you are decapitated during the battle.
Only Shad could make a video debunking someone else’s misinformation so classy and polite
From past experience I'd say that Metatron could too... Skallagrim would be polite but not classy.
But will choose not to at times ( mostly against recent Disney movies and stuff)
To be honest, I think he could have cut a few of his points from this video or been less aggressive. I think Mat Pat actually got dual wielding, shields and axes fairly spot on in the battle context. Shad could have spent less time on that. But the following points are certainly worth their time.
@@GamelessOne too aggressive? Do you have any timestamps for when you think he was?
@@djdeadbeat4380 I just felt the first 10-12 mins or so was a little nitpicky and slightly to preachy maybe, he could have cut/condensed some of that and just focused on the big stuff and showcasing the warbow points. But Shad clearly gave credit for the things Mat got right, so it's not a huge problem.
Matpat: "Considering this is around 900 AD, it's possible Eivor could run into these types of shields."
Well, sure... I mean, he's already run into 15th century longswords that can be lit on fire at will. At this point, why doesn't Ubisoft go the full mile and give Eivor a Norse styled Glock?
If Sekiro did it why not AC?
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
Just send Ash back in time again to teach the art of the BOOMSTICK!
@@Dinoenthusiastguy isshin the glock saint
Hahahahaa
"The main advantage of the axe is the hook under the blade"
Oh, oh no... No, no, no, no-
AAAAAAAAAAHHHH! *angry historian noises.
That moment you realize its going to be one of those days.
it's AN advantage....
I believe the assassins creed creed series already had a more "practical" tool in that regard, the hookblade and even that was mainly based for utility.
Hmmmm I know there are weapons that are designed to go around shields, but usually an axe isn't one of them.
Whats nice is that He is so respectful about this matter, he's not attacking Mat, he's not trying to put him down, and not encouraging attacking him.
Instead he's being calm and collected, he's being very respectful, and he's kindly informing Mat to help him learn from this mistake.
Well, thats how you treat children, essentially.
@@voilvelev6775 No that's how to have a actual Debate/Argument. You attack the Points made... Not the person making the Points.
The minute you attack the person you are admitting defeat.
@@CazzyVR yep
What Shadiversity's viewers call him:
Shadiversity
What Shadiversity's neighbours call him:
Madiversity
What Shadiversity's children call him: Dadiversity
What all his viewers call him, seeing how much fitter he has got:
CHADIVERSITY!
Me, lone viewer: "Cool bro."
"Madiversity" lmao
The man did absolutely shape up. If you go back to his old videos he’s no where near as fit and you got to give him props for that
I mean he seems to wear armour all the time all that extra weight is going to make you stonger, plus all the exercise he's doing.
What Shadiversity’s fans call him: MACHICOLASSSHHHUUUUNNNNSSSSAAAHHH!!!
"I think someone should clip that and turn it into a meme."
People on Reddit: "No! That is not correct!"
I think the Nay bit later is infinitely more memeable
Shad: What are you watching?
"Game theory"
Shad: Oh what's it about?
"Dual wielding weapons and shields!"
Shad: Honey get the brigandine, *get the brigandine!*
Honey get the brigandine. The HEAVY brigandine
As if he ever takes it off.
Shad: Honey?
Honey: What?
Shad: Where's my brigandine?
Honey: I put it away.
Shad: Where?
Honey: Why do you need to know?
Shad: I need it!
Honey: Don't you think about running off doing no debunking. We've been planning this dinner for two months!
Shad: The public is being misinformed!
Honey: My plans are being misinformed!
Shad: Tell me where my brigandine is, woman! We're talking about the greater good!
Honey: Greater good?! I am your wife! I'm the greatest good you're ever gonna get!
@@thespanishinquisition4078 I was hoping to see this.
The Spanish Inquisition you’re everywhere...
Not seeing people disliking him disagreeing with matpat restores my faith in humanity.
Probably one of the reasons is because he made it clear that he wasn't trying to say matpat is a bad RUclipsr or person
@@RaNgErs_Rep most likely
I don't hate him, but I can't help but clown on the dude for making a fool out of himself TWICE. he just feeds bullshit to his audience and knowing them, they would be reluctant to actually face real facts by anybody else
@@LockheedC-130HerculesOfficial what is wrong with you? His Content is
Great. Its hilarious and informative; that's why i watch him
@@maxihax2187 not very informative when his "information" is fucking wrong
About pinpoint accuracy with bows.
Shad is only talking about static targets.
We haven't even scratched the surface of hitting a moving target.
And that's why archers, for the most part, operated as a platoon and not solo. A platoon of archers is the equivalent of a historical shotgun. With that many projectiles, accuracy is irrelevant. You're going to hit. Guaranteed.
Well then you most times aim for the Largest part of the Body... aka The Torso...
@@ForeverDegenerate Slight correction, the concept of accuracy not mattering with shotguns is a video game-ism, in video games, shotguns have incredibly short range and very high pellet spread, but IRL, it's quite the opposite. That's not to say shotguns are long range, 'cause they're not, not unless you're using slugs, at least, but they have much more range than video games would have you believe. Also, being guaranteed a hit means considerably less IRL, there are hundreds of cases of people being shot 20+ times with a handgun and they're still able to stand.
Granted, that's with handguns, rifles and shotguns would generally have more stopping power, but the point still stands.
but matpat never said it was and easy shot or anything of the kind... he said " while unlikely it's not completely implausible that with a big enough broad arrow head and a strong enough bow avor could do an ole timee version of a headshot " close enough... lol... a lucky shot with a good weapon can decapitate... it would probably be the lucky shot of a lifetime. but seeing the arrows and bow that shad was using... and the headshot he got on his foam dummy... i'm more inclined to believe that a decapitation via arrow is actually possible. still the lucky shot of a lifetime... but possible. :P
@@fernlavigne4843 Show ONE example of a Arrow decapitating a Body... just one. That is a Video Game Mechanic. For one, youd have to hit a VERY Small Moving Target with a Bow Powerful enough to rip a head off at the neck. No Human can fire a Bow in the Traditional Stance of that Magnatude.
Me watching GT's new video: "Hey last time Mat did one of these videos, Shad posted a reply. I wonder if he'll do that again"
Shad less than a day later: "I HAVE BEEN SUMMONED"
@@WrathofFenrir99 I mean that seems a little harsh. He's got good content, he just sometimes takes on projects that are outside of his area of expertise. No need to insult the guy, at least in my opinion.
@@WrathofFenrir99 Are you sure that's not yourself you're talking about?
Slight correction: “Njall” in Old Norse would be pronounced more like “Nyall”, as Nordic J’s are soft.
Great video, Skall! Cheers from Sweden.
Pax romana swede? Funny
Skall? Dude, you're on a wrong channel
Doesn’t skall mean cheers? Or am I thinking of skoal
The key to pronunciation is that Njáll is a transliteration of the Irish Niall.
i can confer, the norse god njord, pronounced nyord
I love Shad. “Let me show you what happens when I aim at the neck”
(Trying to show how inaccurate he is)
*Proceeds to nail the target in the eye socket*
“Oops, that was accurate”
When Shad said his kids like to watch MatPat I imagined them saying to each other "Hey, have you seen Mat's last video?" "Yeah, I wonder how long it will take for dad to school him again"
I though5 something like that too but they ran to their dad and said mat did it again
“If you want to see a video of me tugging on this big meaty shaft,” Shad you knew what you were doing with that line but somehow kept a straight face the whole time. Legend.
I think that matpat's theories are a great example of "A little knowledge is a dangerous thing." It's not intentional, but these mistakes are common
The Dunning-Kruger Effect, in other words. I don't know much about history, but one of the few things I've learned from historians is that the best skill is critical thinking.
also "google images counts as research"
@@martytu20 Absolutely. So much about history is about research and experimental archaeology. It's truly a science and as much as critical thinking is critical in science (ha!) it is equally as critical when studying history.
No.
I know people like MatPat.
It's entirely intentional.
They know a little about everything, turn around and pose as these pillars of knowledge & wisdom to those who don't know anything about the subject nor are willing to look into it themselves.
It's aggravating those of us who do.
More like: "I'm going to create a theory and then take as many small innocuous things from the subject to confirm the idea."
Shad, you’ve really grown as a person and I can see that. Just 2 years ago you were the type of person to go “this is the answer, this and only this.” Now you’re more mellow, more of a “this is the source I present, it may not be true or false, but this is the best we got. I may be wrong, I may be right,” kind of guy. I really appreciate what you do for everyone here, all the heat you go through just for being informative. Your book is amazing and I wish you the best days possible!
This is just so sweet of Shad. You can really tell that just wants to help Matpat out. it's refreshing to see from on RUclips with all the hate-mongering that people do on line. Thank you for the video Shad.
Yeah, it's too bad that a solid chunk of the high-like replies are doing exactly what Shad wanted to avoid...
Just goes to show that no fandom is immune to "bad apples," sadly.
MattPat: spiked shield controls distance.
Shad: Wut mate?
A spikey implement already existed since pre-antiquity that was incredibly aggressive, easy to produce, and controlled distance fantastically. It's called a spear.
But thats not a Sheild🤔🤔🤔
Pre-antiquity...yep, Paleolithic is pre-antiquity...
@@Vlad_Tepes_III he isn’t wrong though also spear is best weapon
@@davedave8986
Spear is the best formation weapon, though what's the "best" weapon is debatable. It's cheap, piss easy to make (a sharp point on a stick), synergizes extremely well with shields, can be used on foot and cavalry...but also overly reliant on being used in mass and has no design tricks for any utility uses such as disarmament, armor breaking, or even the ability to slash/chop.
For the most part the main selling point of the spear is that you can levy any random group of untrained peasants, give them spears and shields, and just tell them to either hold still or run forwards because that's all they need to know for proper spear usage. It's simplicity at its best. The main problem is that it has almost no ability to fight outside of a grouped up formation, hence why spearmen always had backup weapons to adapt to different scenarios since you do not want to only have a spear if your sides aren't covered. This was so bad that halberds were made to just to try to remedy this. So while big army clashing fights have spears as the mvp, most battles weren't this (in fact most battles avoided this at all costs because its the most costly form of warfare in terms of lives lost) so you kind of want to carry a few different weapons per soldier.
"ThAt's jUsT a sMaLl ShARP PoInTy BlAde oN a StIck, lIkE An AxE! But hey... tHaT's jUsT A ThEoRy! A Game ThEoRy!! 🤤"
“I would say nay. A big nay.”
Shad the horse.
And yes I know it means “no”
Ah..... I was reminded of Frederick.
*Nae :P
Actually it’s “Nae” but for some reason everybody uses the objectively less-cool spelling of “Nay”. It’s a Braid Scots word. Still gets used sometimes in the Lowlands.
Huh, US spelling is definitely nay, so that's probably where the difference lies
Did he whip tho?
“The main advantage of the axe is the hook”
I’m very stupid and even I know that the main advantage is the big sharp side, mat what are you doing buddy do you not see that giant choppy choppy on the side
Edit: y’all please stop arguing with me I was trying to make a funny
I like this because it is so silly and amusing homestly
"hey dude you want an axe?"
"nah dude I found this stick and it's like got a hook on it so it's good"
If the benefit was just the sharp part, why wouldn't they just use swords?
@@thabisogodi2936 axes have the center of mass more towards the end, making them chopp harder. To give one reason.
@@quasnof Thank you, this makes a lot more sense than "the sharp end".
Shad: "Look, I found you CAN carry a sword on your back! And it's better!"
Everyone: *freaks out
Shad: "Screw this guys, I'm doing archery until you all calm down."
...
Also Shad: "Look, I found you CAN shoot on the other side of the bow! And it's better!"
Everyone: ...
Shad: "Screw this as well guys, I am going to build castles until you all calm down. Three of them. With blackjack! And... machicolations!"
...
Soon Shad: "Look, ...!"
...
Shad, gotta correct you on one thing: when you say that archers were issued a "sheath of arrows by the king": that's not always wrong but it's not always true either, for very obvious reasons when you think about it. Medieval soldiers didnt always fight for any king, in fact, they probably did so rarely. Would every lord build up an infrastructure to have his own arrows and give them out to his archers? Nope. Most in fact probably would not have done that. In point of fact, the thing with arrows distributed by kings only makes sense in an english/british context where longbows were a primary weapon. Most archers would simply have their own arrows: built themselves, purchased, picked up from a battlefield etc. It doesnt invalidate your point that most arrows shot in war werent calibrated to the bows, but, in honour of this video being a factual correction... ;)
His videos are medieval English focused culturally speaking. His video on swearing for example was really weird for me as a dutchie, because we have a different swearing culture. He is not necessarily wrong, just keeps to his expertise.
I thought he said "sheaf". As in "a sheaf of sticks". Because that's what a bundle of arrows is referred to as.
@@maxgrozema1093 Nevertheless for the sake of correctness he could either include the concept addressed by Narsil or state the bounds of his subject matter. If not stated and thereby implying a generalism that does not adhere to a global standard it's either confusing or plain incorrect.
@@TheRichardSilver you are right, I myself got frustrated on his medieval swearing video because he didn't give a date or region spread on his claims.
I would find it more likely that they would be issued by lord or the commander. Maybe a late period professional army, but due to the logistical breakdown of calling the banners and distribution of equipment potentially across a large nation, wouldn't it just be easier to produce and distribute locally from a fletcher? I'm sure it was done occasionally but it feels like a stretch to say that it would be standard practice. With any equipment really, not just arrows.
Here we go ag--
Shad: "Here we go again!"
Yeah, what he said.
Me: *eating cereal*
Shad: “if you want a video of me tugging on this thick meaty shaft-“
Me: *spits* what did he just say!?
Lol same
Literally laughed out loud. Whole video super serious and not even saying ass but "his behind" if I recall correctly and he pulls a sneaky on us...
*pronounces ADIDAS wrong*
Lol. Shad knew exactly what he was doing when he said that. So funny.
I’m so glad it wasn’t just me
Shad: Im gonna be nice this video
Matpat: William the Conquerer...
Shad: *deep inhale*
Matpat: The Targe shie-
Shad: *BOI!!!*
lol slowly starts to turn into a dick throughout the video XD i loved the intro and the vibe of it, but he only said it so when he is being disrespectful it doesn't seem that bad. Got huge high horse vibes from Shad this video. not a pretty color
When will i see Karatos and my *BOI*
@@DanielFruckinFlower he’s being way more polite than I would. MattPat has a fan base of primarily younger kids/teens, and is very misleading about history in a lot of his videos and his fans eat it up as if it is historically accurate.
@@DanielFruckinFlower Something I learned from my Dad growing up. One of the hardest things in the world is knowing how to do something, and watching someone else do it wrong. I got the impression that this was a quick recording, without much in the way of scripting or reshooting, so watching him get increasingly frustrated with Mat as it goes on is understandable, if a bit disappointing.
@@DanielFruckinFlower While I agree that if that was his intention he should have keep his cool better... I can understand him. Mat Pat is infamous for making a theory, putting all the evidence he can find in them, *as long as it fits his theory* and then forget about little, mid sized or very big facts that dismantle his theory. Sometimes he even forgets to not show said facts, so he gives one conclusion, but the video shows that he is wrong.
Personally I can't talk about Mat Pat without getting more... passionate that I would like. At least when I'm talking about theories of his that I know about, and seeing how he is about video games and I do know a bit about them... that includes most of his theories. Some of them I can't argue about, either because they are plausible or I don't know the game... but yeah.
*MatPat tries to talk about Medieval Weapons... again.*
Shad: 'Bonjour.'
Lol
Or Goddendag
Je sais que ça viens d'un meme, mais c'est toujours surprenant de voir du français dans les commentaires d'une vidéo anglophone
Voilà maintenant personne ne va jamais répondre à ce commentaire incompréhensible
"Boy Sminem"
Matpat just needs to stop trying to educate on what he himself Is unaware of.
Matpat: makes mistake
Skallagrim and Shad: HELLO THERE
General Kenobi!
Any videos along the lines of what he does is going to prompt people to make reaction videos.
Anytime a generalist references something, a specialist can jump in and poke holes and whatever they say.
@@zenketski a fair observation i think.
Don't forget Metatron
@@Leroez09 You are a bold one
When is game theory just going to hire this guy for the medieval combat vids, I'm dying 🤣
I knew this one was coming.
Likewise mate 🤣
Saw the thumbnail and immediately thought shad would do a video on it.
@@fred1854 Exact same thing went through my mind
Same
Everyone did
36:20 "tugging on this thick meaty shaft" come on dude i was drinking lol
36:19 thick MEATY shaft XD
@@ninjahombrepalito1721 shadiversity onlyfans 🤣🤣🤣🤣
*Shadman intensifies*
@@hexbladescurse So that's why they call him Chadiversity
You better not spit it out.
Me: Shadiversity's a cool name
Shad: I've got kids
Me: Dadiversity is also good
*coughs* Shadman *coughs*
@@silvertrimhill9844 don't let him find out, he'll regret it
@@grimsdol4665 MWAHAHAHAHA!
@@silvertrimhill9844 oh no. No no no no no.
Dr.Phoenix Big Daddy Shad. or Shadaddy.
I love the historical context of katanas being the shorter version you carry around your day to day, just like the "carry" version of a gun just being shorter than the "service" version.
Well yeah that's why it's a secondary weapon when you lose your spear or run out of ammo
*Sees* "REPLY to Game Theory..."
Wait, I thought I went to my subscriptions... Why am I seeing a video that's years old?
*Reads rest of title*
Okay... Well, guess we're doing this again.
Me too!
I took the like count from 123 to 124
That spit-take when William the Conqueror using Spiked shields, Mwah chef's kiss lol
Obviously William The Conqueror was a time traveller from the 17th century.
21:48
When I heard that name, especially in the context his name was used in, I knew things were about to go down.
Guess we ought to call Matt Patt "Mathew the Confessor (of Historical Inaccuracies)", lmao (I kid, I kid)
"Even a fork is better than your hands"
Nice callback to your own book.
I know people that have been stabbed with forks.
I was stabbed with a fork
Remember, john wick killed 3 man in a bar with a pencil
2:17 Not just historical accuracy. In his video about Fullmetal Alchemist, his chemical calculations were pretty wild (meaning incorrect). I understand that he is neither a historian, nor a scientist and realistically you cannot be literate about very subject, but it is always good to consult an "expert" on a topic you are not familiar with, if you are a creator as big as Mat. I am not even talking about actual scientists here. His calculations in the video in question were high-school level chem-calc, every chemistry-undergrad should be able to do it.
(This actually speaks to a wider problem in popular science and even journalism as a whole. Of course journalists usually are not as literate on a subject as someone who devotes a significant part of their life to understanding it. But it really destroys trust in journalism, when a lot of stuff you are informed about are reported very inaccurately. Makes you wonder if they are equally bad on topics, where you do not recognize it.)
Reminds me of Adam Rutherford.
i rewatched that video recently and hoo boy did he do the stoich wrong.
It gets worse. Even when his only material is the game or series he's talking about, he still manages to get fairly trivial facts flat-out wrong pretty regularly. It started with "Mario is Mental" and "Sans is Ness" and just sort of gradually got worse and more blatant from there. I'm all for giving people the benefit of the doubt, but this is a recurring pattern with MatPat.
Matts estimation for how much a zelda rupy is worth was so wildly inaccurate, it might as well have been a totally random guess. Turns out you can buy huge rubies on Ebay that are about the right size for $1000 or less. He seems like a nice guy, but sometimes waxes so big brain that he forgets to do a quick Google search.
@@whitemagus2000 ok but real life rubies aren't magically charged zelda Rupees
Shad: But can I get a headshot?
**Lands headshot**
Shad: ...huh...
36:20 Shad, no. Stop.
You are a legend for being able to say that with a straight face.
Might want to make that 36:15. 36:20 is just after it.
i loved that archery segment, almost all done in one take, well done excellent video and excellent shots.
Shad: "see me pull on a thick, meaty shaft..."
Me: *traumatized*
Phrasing Shad... phrasing!
Haha ikr says it straight faced and then moves on 🤣
Mind you he spent years studying the Bible.. :0
@@johnfoy6590 That is true. I just thought it was funny.
I wanted to write this comment
"MatPat has a blindspot on Historical Accuracy"
I would be a touch more particular on War and Weapons pre-Enlightenment; but at the same time - neither is Ubisoft who sponsored that video as it made THEM look pretty decent.
To be fair to Ubisoft when it comes to the weapons. They do add some things that might have been rare in the time period or in disuse by that point, but it's generally not egregious. It's to give people some options both visually and for playstyle. Getting all of the period architecture, lore or the like right. That's a challenge that they tackle, but they are just a video game developer. They do a decent enough job, no one's perfect and some eras are more fleshed out and easier to research than others. Plus sometimes they use certain stereotypes for cool factor and 'it's what people expect'. However, as far as I've been through the game. Kudos to them leaving the horns off of any helmets.
Oh damn u right. Maybe Matpat picked and chose some details take make sure the game looked historically accurate.
👁👄👁
@@Meravokas what about the Eiffel Tower in unity
@@patrickreville4109 You know that's a different time period from the base game right?
No one:
Absolutely not a single person:
Shad: “see me pull on a thick meaty shaft”
Particularly funny after he was like "He's literally talking.. ... he's pulling it out of his butt"
Me: “Wow, Shad. Just.... WOW.” 😅😅
not touching that one
@@handlebarfox2366 IKR. 😦 as a Christian I’m not a mind-in-the-gutter sort of person, but that one still made me 😬.
Anyone know his OnlyFans?
I came to your channel based on the comments on MatPat’s video. I subscribed for your knowledge and the way you showed respect for another RUclipsr even when addressing their errors. Thank you for sharing your passion!
"Mom that weird sword guy makes fun of MatPat again!"
Shields are no joke. A friend of mine is a member of Hema club in his town and in the heat of duel he got a brain concussion from the shield strike. Through the late XV I believe steel helmet with layers of cloth and chain under it.
I hope your friend’s okay
Since its a blunt strike, a steel helmet might be too effective. Better than nothing ofc though
@@harmonlanager2670 ye he is, it happened like a year ago. Still going strong altho such strike are forbidden in his club during practice. To add to that, he continued for a couple rounds, which was around a minute total, before he felt really blurry and about to throw up.
When a gambeson hangs down to your shins it becomes a dress with a slit up the front.
But hey that's just a theory. A Fashion Theory.
Puts a new twist on the term "battle dress." :P
Nice one dude 😆😆😆😆😆😆
... I can't get the image of Shad beating a dog-ified Matpat with a rolled newspaper as he repeatedly said "NO."
*And it's honestly a cute image.*
The Scandinavian "j" sound is a "y". It would be pronounced "Nyall's Saga"
I'm glad I have that right
Skyoldr
@The Anti-CHAD jager.
Niall
Just wanted to say I've been listening to your book on audio for the past week on my way to work. Loving it, it's honestly gripping me the same way Mistborn did the first time I listened to it. The amazing narration by Michael Kramer and Kate Reading just adds the cherry on top.
So you're saying you like Kate Reading's reading?
I'm getting that book eventually, once I get some of my studies out of my way.
@@ticonofruger573 Yes, Kate Reading's reading is some good reading.
@@jittersgc Indeed, Kate's reading is amazing.
Mine is on the way!!
Great job in making sure you put the "this isn't an attack on Matt as a person" stuff at the beginning of the vid. It's so easy to do one of these rebuttals and then add the disclaimer at the end which always feels a bit more obligatory compared to when they're put at the front. Especially when you calmly break down why the way he puts across his work adds to the problem - the same authoritative tone that you yourself have even self-criticised in your own videos when talking about your opinons vs knowledge.
So side tangent Shad - I'm about to embark on a watching of your entire playlist to help in my medieval fantasty world construction and have just bought Shadow of the Conqueror on Kindle!
Sir, I believe you are not the only one that did this. I have too used this for dnd inspiration lol
About attacking with the edge of the shield: While it's true that hitting with the edge of the shield would be better than with the flat, most shields don't have a cutting edge, which, as stated by MatPat, disperses the damage on a larger surface area. But yeah, offensive capabilities don't drop to zero, while dual-wielding shields. Just less effective than having something else with a more damaging cutting edge, in most situations.
what i really love the most about shad's videos is this, i always thought im the only one being this weird about historical accuracy, especially medieval/viking age period...and shad really makes me feel heard through his words in his videos. So on that note, thank you shad for being an awesome history fanatic like myself, cheers mate!
Shad really just said: "If you want to see a video of me tugging on this thick meaty shaft then go watch that video"
His shot might not be accurate but it is potent...ially lethal.
Hey as long as you hit somewhere on the body amiright?
I'm glad other people noticed that 😂
Yeah, I noticed that and immediately started searching the comment section for others who noticed Shad’s poor choice of words.
@@bigolbigmoose9550 right??? I'm over here rewinding, wondering if he really snuck that in there or if I'm hallucinating
Yes we need a "NO THAT IS NO CORRECT!" meme
So it's the shad version of
"not scientifically possible!"
@@generalbacon7476 Exactly
@@aiseanaivalu2143 Or how a bout an "is utteridicyanyo az ka WOOT! NO!" meme a la 24:31
@@trs4184 yes yes that as well.
The way Shad just casually mutilates the viewer while trying to demonstrate effective duel wielding is what makes me love this channel so much
*Shad realizing he's a meme, and promptly asks us to make him a meme*
Saw Matt's video yesterday and was like "oh no... here we go again!" Lmao love both your guys channels. Hope he reaches out to you next time. Would be a dream come true collaboration
And it’s come full circle. Shad’s original reply to Game Theory was my intro to the channel 😁
And this is my intro to Shad.
Me too, then he went on EFAP and a Legend was born💪💯
Same here
Metatron and Shad offering help is quite wholesome.
Mat was kind of talking out of his ass about Japanese armor, since historically their main use of shields were small structures that archers hid being.
The first rule of talking about Japanese armor is: Don't.
@@mudageki Honestly Japanese armor worked perfectly for it's intended purpose. Inter island civil wars. It protected you perfectly fine.
Until a samurai wanted to test out his fancy new black powder hand gun on a peasant wearing a helmet of course.
I went to Japan and enjoy history. I was amazed at how small the battles were. Sometimes significant battles had less than 100 men on both sides combined.
I was also surprised how young Japan was. It actually unified so recently that they hired American experts to help develop Hokkaido when they finally colonized it. I don't think that Japan is a good analogy for anywhere else.
could be a subtle joke to say "hey Shadiversity i watched your video and i was wrong lol"
Modern culture in general has a tendency to glorify Samurai. As a child I used to be in that group (hence the name...), but now when you put Samurai lords into context, you see that one of, if not the largest reasons they were so effective was because the people they spent most of their time fighting were extremely poor and very underequipped. When we think of Samurai in battle we often think of them in grand scale battles or fighting each other one on one. In truth, most Samurai spent the majority of their battle experience quashing peasant rebellions.
So we end up with millions of people, like Matt, who for whatever reason place Samurai on this pedestal and worship the equipment they used as technological masterworks, even though if we compare it to period correct European counterparts we find that they're really nothing special. Or the literal mountains of bs surrounding Japanese blacksmithing, or even just Katanas specifically.
Honestly, I'd love a Game Theory and Shadiversity crossover. You know so he can stop screwing up with his Medieval videos!
I mean Shad already did a crossover with OSP, so why not?
@@Raleyg And Kyle Hill I believe.
That requires MatPat CARING. This isn't a one-off blunder, it's his MO.
@@10tailedbijuu Nope, all of them are.
@@10tailedbijuu Well I wouldn't know because I don't think I've really watched any of his videos besides the ones he made on FNAF lore back in the day but I think it speaks volumes of his integrity as a supposed educator or researcher for lack of a better word when both his videos on historical accuracy were full of shit. Not to mention that as far as I'm aware he either refused or could not be arsed to correct his previous blunders.
Also, for all we know his other videos might be full of just as much shit. Historical accuracy is a touchy subject so it's easy to get busted but not every subject has guys like these to bust you for spreading bullshit.
I'm gonna watch Game Theory's video first just for full context of the video. But I already got this open on another tab, ready for enlightenment. Nothing against GT, but when it comes to medieval facts, my go to is Shadiversity.
Edit: Just finished watching both GT and Shad's video. I'm happy to share that even before watching Shad's response video, I was able to spot some of the errors in Mat's videos based on what I've learned on Shad's previous uploads.
Your passion about the content + the respect you treat other content creators with = fantastic and deeply enjoyable videos. Thank You.
I thought the Templar's were formed during the crusades in the holy lands in the middle east. Along with the hospitallers and teutonic knights.
Assassin's creed valhalla takes place in 8th century england. A couple of centuries before the crusades and 100s of miles away from the holy lands.
The video game made its own story.
The Templar’s in the game are a much older organization called the Order of the Ancients, that reformed into the Templar’s in the 12th century
The Templars in the Assassin's Creed universe are the Cult of Kosmos that as far as we know started in ancient Greece arond the time Leonidas and his 300 defended Thermopylae. After the Cult was destroyed their ideals became what drove the Order of the Ancients in Cleopatra's Egypt, and later the Templar Order as we know it.
@@KingKaper the cult existed as the same time as the order of the ancients as demonstrated in legacy of the hidden blade dlc
The Teutonics are from Eastern Europe.
I love hearing from experts that actually practice the historical concepts, as a HEMA practicer I really appreciate your videos. Good work as usual.
I have been waiting for Shad to make this video the second that game theory released.
Also Matpat anounced that he is interested in doing more collabs now hint hint nudge nudge
14:19
Now that's a high skill build, holy hell, halberd and a staff
Hey Shad, I just wanna say I love you and all your work I really hope you and your family are keeping safe during these times, I can’t tell you how much your videos mean to me, whenever I’m having a rough time I stick on your videos and I forget my troubles for a while and I can’t thank you enough for that. Also I’ve been reading Shadow Of The Conqueror and I’m loving it so far!
Whenever Shad pulls out his quiver you know it’s gonna be a good video
When Shad pulls out his thick shaft and grips it like a manly man, it's going to be an awesome video.
Yassssss
@@Dirtbag-Hyena I've been trying to find a way to respond to what you said and to be honest I...I..I came back with nothing I mean how does someone respond to that?
i can consistently hit a deer or elk's neck with a 100-120lb bow, but a deers neck is huge and i spent a good five years working on that, never tried hitting a target that small its like hitting a perfect headshot on some deer i only did that twice in my life
What type of bow though?
@@flotnar2512 english longbow, like i said 100-120pounds i use them for hunting since i don't normally use a rifle
@@wendigo1619 ah I see, very good. Aint easy to aim those but for hunting you may want to go something a bit smaller and more practical, plenty of hunting bows out there. But hell if it works it works.
@@wendigo1619 Hehe, i was about to jump on this. I know people with compound bows that can pull that draw weight and with modern aiming aids, can make some really amazing shots. But that is modern equipment, not medieval equipment.
If you are actually using an authentic English longbow, you are a pretty manly man. Those require (as Shad said) very specific muscle groups and technique. Not to mention the archers paradox, which modern compound bows minimize or eliminate.
i think the main point and difference is that most of the times when people Dual wield it's kinda in the moment and because there is no other better option and Mat admitted that saying how it is better then nothing, what I think he's trying to say is (I didn't do any research on this btw just guessing so not a fact) no one really went into battle choosing the option of Dual wield over having a shield. I don't think many people when getting ready to fight picked 2 swords as their weapon choice, it just kinda happened when they lost their shield and all that, I don't know maybe I'm wrong lol.
The number of times I’ve cleaned someone’s clock with the edge of my shield because they were too busy warring about the sword! 🤣 My friend with sword and shield I’m always duel wielding.
It's almost as if significant mass applied to a concentrated point is incredibly dangerous and offensive. You could also sharpen the rim if you felt like it. I also recently learned about the execution of breaking with the wheel. Pretty brutal stuff. So yea, circles with mass, pretty dangerous.
Just a quick correction here Shad: So, towards the end of "the Saga of Gisli the Outlaw" Gisli dreams of his final encounter with the man set on his heels and his band, how he fights them alone and is finally slain. "Foemen wielding axes / Both my arms at once lopped off", most likely emphasizes his numerical disadvantage, leading to his brutal end, and "no buckler shielding" his worn down equipment at that point.
Dual-wielding, as you mentioned, in the sagas is usually a feat shown only by heroes or their arch-nemesis, showing off their superhuman potency in battle.
Disclaimer: Translations are biased and few Old Norse tales survived, consequently few absolute statements can be made.
Kudos for checking out and naming a source, though.
"If you wanna see a video of me tugging on this thick meaty shaft"
That line just made my day and made me spit my water, awesome video mate, love your videos and hope to finally enter a HEMA gym here in the Philippines, finding one here is like looking for a straw of hey in a needlestack, you may find it but it's gunna hurt while looking for it
Also, I show your videos to my girlfriend since she aspires to be a writer someday and seeing as she loves fantasy and European-esque aesthetics, I show these to her for inspiration :3
I appreciate that you go over what was wrong in the video as well as what he did right and I like how your criticism isn’t as aggressive as other rebuttals to the video
Feels like Mat needs to allow more time for his theories to cook, as it were. If he does all his own research, he's obviously let the quality of research decline over the years, likely due to how many channels he's running and his consulting firm. If he's letting his team do it... Well, he needs to give them more time, and encourage a healthy dose of quadruple checking.
Also, he really should tap other youtubers who are experts on a topic. Shad for example :D
But hey, that's just a hypothesis. A GAME HYPOTHESIS!
i agree. i feel like mat and the team are creating content rather than theories if you know what i mean? fleshed out enough that it can make for a decent video but not so thorough that they're solid, well evidenced, arguments. but considering how much work is needed to create their videos i understand why this happens. that said i generally like his theories because i enjoy watching people get from point A to point B and make their cases but i don't know much about a lot of the topics he covers so i can't identify errors like other people can.
Wow, look at you two, being constructive about Mat and not just calling him a blind idiot. Good job, keep being you.
Especially considering his content has become more far-reaching
@@pb7199 I really enjoy game theory and film theory to. But sometimes it kinda feels like he works backwards. Instead of finding evidence and forming his theory based on that, it sometimes feels like he forms the theory, then tries to force the evidence to align.
It was slightly apparent in his older videos too, where he would say something that, even without research, was just obviously not true like when he said Wario was like 12 feet tall or something to that effect.
I really love when you used Joerg as a point of reference, really love his content. Also this video was pleasure to watch.
I clipped the “No that is not correct!” And I’m gonna use it on my friends!
May I have time stamp, good sir?
26:25
@@ancalagon2310 thank you sir
When Matt talks about how the main advantage of the axe is the beard, I think he means the second axe, as he though using both offensively was ineffective.