The kid’s dad didn’t even go to court the day that they showed autopsy photos because he couldn’t bear to see them. Now they’re just out on the internet somewhere.
As a father with a child who passed away, people would share photos of my son all the time off when he was on the hospital bed and i couldn’t handle it so i avoided social media for years. This woman disgusts me
"Putting the evidence behind a paywall meant added security." Yeah, securing that only creeps weird enough to pay for photos of a tortured child will see it.
@@warlordofbritannia yea there should be a back round check on the people requesting the info, but as it stand rn anyone can just send in a request and get all the evidence
@GrandDukeMushroom The only difference between the video uploaded on RUclips, and the video uploaded on Patreon was that the Patreon video had the explicit photos, they knew what they were buying. Not having a go at you BTW just letting you know the facts.
I love how she pulled the “education” card Lady if someone wants to be educated in autopsy work, they go to school for it and get permission to conduct research, not send pics of naked dead kids to each other.
@shelby5809 selling pictures of that dead boy is not educational in the slightest. The point is if someone actually wanted to be educated in that sense, study it or research it. Not pay for a boys autopsy photos. That does nothing.
@@clouds9914 This. Even if someone wanted to actually research the case, they can request the information officially themselves. Her selling it makes it even more fucked up.
I love how apology videos these days are just people saying ‘sorry’ and then proceeding to try to justify their actions and not be apologetic whatsoever
Last time someone said that to me, they ended up bleeding on the floor and I almost got my ahh thrown in jail It's mocking in your face and I do not tolerate anything like that
In a scientific and detached way? Ask anyone who works in a job where they see dead children, like EMTs, Police, Coroners, etc. it’s NEVER emotionally detached. It’s sad. It’s tragic. It’s horrific. Every. Single. Time.
Officers have to act detached, but most of the time it's crushing. Never not seen an officer have a breakdown, or at least cry after they finally get back from a terrible call.
Exactly. This is why these jobs have extremely high turnover rates or early deaths to stroke/heart attack/some other stress induced cause. These people have to "become detached" for the work and for the public but they aren't. Unless they are a psychopath.
I work in a funeral home. It no longer becomes a "comfort the family, remain detatched/professional" type thing with kids. It becomes personal, even if you don't have kids yourself. It hits way harder. You're used to working with adults and the elderly, not children.
I think of my own family when I see these things. I can never sleep knowing it's someone's reality and could very easily be my own. Makes you paranoid and driven by fear just trying to make sure it doesn't happen to you own
@@nyxonthestyx9825 I can't imagine any job where it's "normal" or you become detached to everything because it's a child. You may cope with it better than other people because you *have* to but a child death is such a rarity to begin with especially a murder.
It's worth noting that the people who would pay to see those autopsy photos wouldn't be paying to analyze them scientifically, but rather to be spooked, like it's a god-damn horror movie: they feel curious and want to look at the horrible images of a murdered kid, not because it would be interesting to analyze, but because they know it's traumatizing and want to feel that fear. What gets me is that I think she knows that, and when she saw the autopsy photos she must have thought to herself "Ooh, this is gonna be so spooky! People will want to see this!" And I bet she was right about that, sadly.
Either that or they get off to it. I’ve seen people comment on gore posts on twitter (I haven’t gone specifically looking for those but I like one petty school fight and suddenly gore is on my timeline) and they’re always horrible degenerate beings. It’s horrible to think what kinds of people exist
I’m sure there are some sick people who were interested in the photos but I do feel sorry for the people who were interested in the analytic things on her patreon, only to be scared, triggered and possibly traumatized by the photos
I really don't think that "spooky" should be the word used to describe the feeling someone gets when seeing a little kid who was hurt, over and over again, by someone who was supposed to take care of them. If that IS the word to describe what an individual feels when seeing something of the sort, that person either lacks any sort of depth or their depths know no bounds from which there's no return.
I'll go a step further and say that the ones who payed for it are creeps, there's no other explanation why they would got to the lengths of paying for it. Those who had some resemblance of morbid curiosity would just search for free stuff, it's not like there isn't any on the internet, but to actively want the pictures of the kid is just something a degenerate and mentally ill person would do, so creeps
Profound human suffering is a lot of things…. Horrifying, shocking, confusing, confounding, painful. One thing it isn’t is “interesting.” There’s nothing I hate more than suffering and I can’t imagine being inside the mind of someone who can manage to be ambivalent to it.
Not only was it a picture of a dead boy, but the autopsy photo was of him naked too. She showed everything. Lord know what kind of sick demented creeps bought those photos for their personal use....
Selling death photos is already iffy. Selling death photos of a violently murdered child is so horrible that I can't even form the right words to express how utterly disgusting this is.
Gannon’s parents and others who loved him have been through enough. His dad said in the interview, please leave Gannon alone, he’s never done anything wrong to anyone. Thank you for sharing this.
@@Susnation532There's a time and a place, dude. Also (to the OP) I hope you guys get fairly paid for such emotional work, take care of your mental wellbeing.
I think seeing a dead child in person and seeing one in a picture are two very different things, no excuse but it's easier to detach yourself from what's on a screen.
Isn’t that a survival skill? If you were dealing with this stuff every day, wouldn’t you WANT to be detached? Otherwise you would get pretty fucked up just trying to do your job.
I think you’re right. Look at how fluidly her eyebrows move as she’s speaking, and her weathered forehead in comparison to her extremely smooth looking face. She clearly knows she’s pissed off the wrong people and needs to hide her identity.
I don't know if Charlie is aware but the True Crime community is... well it's a hive for people just like her.. and plenty of sociopaths. I guarantee there's others in the TC community posting/sharing stuff like this all the time and it just doesn't get noticed much.
This isn't even desensitization. This is just straight-up brainrot. There's a HUGE difference between people who are interested in True Crime due to morbid curiosity and people who make True Crime their entire personality/career and believe sharing and staring at photos of real murdered children is just being quirky or edgy and act shocked when the rest of the world tells them it's unacceptable.
Honestly most of the people that work in the fields with this sort of stuff (injuries/death of adults and children in the most brutal ways) HAVE to look at everything in a scientific way, but they go home and think about some of the worst cases for years. EMS workers have paid therapy most of the time even tho it's their job it's still mind and heart shattering being exposed daily
I wouldn't call it _unacceptable,_ I can accept that kind of behavior, because I can accept that people can disgusting cold hearted callous monsters. Which is what they are. But I accept that. Just leave them be, there's no point engaging with them, they don't care and likely never will.
i'm interested in true crime because it is actually helpful with finding out who could or could not be trusted. most of the time it's very obvious, but a lot of times it's the people you'd never suspect. Thanks to true crime and just trials in general i've found out and learned that my mother is not to be trusted because of her narcissistic behaviour. She would do anything to look good in front of others and she lied to me and my sister throughout my whole life.
@@jtokes9400 she literally made money by obtaining the documents and photos of a deceased child and put them behind a paywall. At least other creators have actually donated money from their content on other people's loved one's deaths to the families that were affected.
God bless you Charlie for using your platform to call out the scum of the Earth. If I posted what I want to say about her, I would get banned. I am full of rage.
It's indefensible enough to sell the raw files for a profit, but the fact she made a video of the wounds synced up to the coroner's testimony is terrifying. She had to sit there for at least a few hours, deciding which wound was the one they were talking about, sync it up, then produce *that* for a profit, all while never once thinking, "I shouldnt be doing this." That's someone who can convinve themselves not to feel remorse about *anything.*
Well put! I almost never venture to true crime channels im not familiar with, because every time i do the tone is so disingenuous its sickening. They seem more interested in the psychology of the killers rather than the memory of the victims. A few key points I look for in a respectful true crime channel is titling the videos with the names of the victim(s) rather than the killer, researching what the family has said on who the victim was, and leaving descriptions of SA very vague. These are very good signs that the channel puts time and effort into respecting the victim and their families.
@@SussyRobloxianXDyou are gonna be used as a human spittoon. No one is gonna wait till you ask... That's like being respectful to a festering pile of feces.
She probably didn’t even see the photos, she just uploaded all the files and the photos were included without her knowledge. Don’t attribute to malice what could just be incompetence.
Seeing the body of a child whether you're a judge,a cop in any field shakes you,you always remember. Her excitement is disturbing and you're fully correct in calling it out. The system needs changing ,the fact she could even get them and put them out is horrific.
she disrespects this child's memory and his loved ones and has the audacity to use wording that makes HERSELF look like a victim... gross. ppl are saying youtuber annie elise did the same thing as her - put autopsy photos/extremely sensitive info/pics behind a paywall on patreon- but i've been having trouble finding more info abt her. whatever the case, these ppl are insane and downright evil.
ADDITIONALLY, the MOTHER of Gannon came out and said that her son is not "a scientific experiment". The thought that the family has to relive the abuse of their child again by the hands of another selfish monster is sooooo sick.
It's fucking crazy how she justified this with "It's for scientific purposes 🤓" Like b!tch? Then go look for autopsies that are from body donors??? There is a literal research project dedicated to autopsies from willing donors 🤦🏾♀️ Snatching the pictures of a dead boy who was brutally murdered and claiming them as your research tools without the family's permission is demented and makes you look worse. Treating the boy and his family's love for him as an object for public viewing.
@@gagesons9006 He was staying with his dad & stepmother when he was murdered by that stepmom. He was very close to & had contact with his birth mom as well. I can see how some people got it confused.
Not only it is a genuenly sick thing to do in general, but not everyone just pays for these photos out of morbid curiosity. There are terrible people on the internet, including people who would probably jack off to those pictures, kiddy fiddlers, "people" with some sort of gore f3tish. But of course she doesnt care abaut that as long as she gets money.
She's treating these autopsy photos like it's a case from the Victorian era where no one is affected, instead of a CURRENTLY ONGOING TRIAL WHERE THE FAMILY IS STILL GRIEVING.
Public records requests are *supposed to be* for freedom of information, and accountability of our police and court system (ie., does the evidence they say exist actually exist?)... NOT for youtubers to turn into entertainment and paywall. That is the opposite of their purpose.
The entire court system is messed up and exploited. It's meant to bring justice and order, but how many times has it created more victims or let a guilty person go free? The so-called system in bringing accountability doesn't work very well.
@@Inuweeb The answer to your question is NOT MANY. Contrasting with the amount of public safety it has directly caused, our justice system has a relatively low rate of failure. The accountability it has created is the reason we even have a society that has survived til today. It works way better than you think it does. Thousands upon thousands of court cases are decided justly and fairly every single day, and millions of potential crimes are _not_ committed because people know they'll get arrested or face legal consequences. But fine, go ahead, watch the news and see criminals (and a relatively *_FEW_* unfortunate innocent people who fall through the cracks) complain and shout at the sky about about how "the entire court system is messed up." Yeah we can and should do better. But just like I say to people who complain on their keyboards about the upcoming generation while refusing to become parents: If it's broke, how bout _you_ fix it!
@@dazenguile4215 i think a lot of people oversimplify topics by either saying "oh its not that bad" or "its really bad" when its in the middle neither party takes it as serious as it should be (by that i mean more or less) so it doesnt get resolved
I just heard about this yesterday watching an interview with Gannons dad, so sad. Thank you for sharing this, she’s disgusting and needs brought to light bc that apology was not sincere.
Wow, I actually can’t believe someone could legitimately profit over a murder case like that. It’s not like she was posting a news story and earned something off of it, she sold pictures of a corpse like it’s a peep show or something. “Fresh pictures of a murdered child over here! Get it while it’s still a controversy!” It’s truly sickening
Even in the best case scenario of her charging for the longform video that has the autopsy photos, she still had the audacity to say "I don't see your child as a child" TO HIS FUCKING DAD.
This is so demented, I swear she needs to be charged with a crime, selling autopsy photos on a murdered 11-year-old is so messed up and disrespectful to the family, its truly sick, I have no words and the people who bought the photos are just as sick too.
Did you watch this whole video? It went from "she's charging money for the autopsy photos" to "she's charging money to see her true crime video that she made which includes the autopsy photos in it." Quite a bit different than the original claim I'd say.
@@pdpgb The point still stands that she shouldn't even have those autopsy photos in the video. Post the video without the autopsy photos and she wouldn't have to of apologize.
@@teresaaustell9004 If this was some big studio that made a serial killer documentary and used uncensored autopsy photos in it, would people be having the same reaction?
@@pdpgbNo, this isn't just a video that happened to have autopsy photos in it. She specifically created a lengthy video on the autopsy and specifically synced up the photos, and sold it. Just because she did not specifically ask for autopsy photos doesn't absolve her of not reviewing her source material. And she asked for everything, which will of course include autopsy photos. Suffer the societal consequences of earning dollars based on freedom of information requests. She is trying to have it both ways. Trying to claim she had no idea... while also saying she didn't think the photos were that bad and hey, they were public already right? Putting it behind a pay wall adds a a separate layer of dumb
Regardless about how you feel about autopsy photos, the fact is there has to be a certain level of depravity within you to do something exploitative like selling the private autopsy photos of an eleven-year-old boy and not see anything wrong with that. Highly disrespectful to the family and the poor boy whose life was ended
Watched the first 50 seconds and I got all I needed. Literally just even thinking about those photos and the fact that someone would spread them is making my stomach churn. Can't even bring myself to watch the rest of this video. I'm glad Charlie covers these situations though
It's not a surprise that she's apologizing. Because 1. She was caught and 2. Her Patreon was shut down. She's not sorry. She couldn't be less sorry if she tried.
I'm a forensic dentist, and even I'm reluctant to use autopsy photos for teaching even though I'm allowed to (to a certain extent) out of respect for the dead. This woman is despicable.
no because i want to be a medical examiner but the moment people want to see i’m probably not going to share those photos unless the person provided explicit permission through donating or having a statement saying it’s okay to show the photos for education or something
As a teaching instrument, with approval, and only in that context, that's ok. That's passing knowledge so everyone can benefit from X or Y, but that woman... despicable is the best case scenario. Psychopath is more like and pathetic.
I've had to see autopsy photos as part of my EMT training, and it was always, ALWAYS, shown with massive respect to the dead. Hell, unless it was a discussion of facial injuries, we almost never even saw their faces, so that their identity would remain private. What she was doing was absolutely disgusting, and I only hope that the family can heal from this.
@@seriouscat2231idek what you mean but yes this situation is fucked up and is true crime. Not television fodder. It is a real crime that happened. Your question came off both confusing and unempathetic
I felt sorry for the jury, family & law enforcement who had to look at those pics. I can't even imagine a normal person wanting to look at something as sad as a murdered child.
I continue to watch your videos, and dude, this is truly the top ten videos on RUclips. I gathered that you are both a college graduate and an OG on street news. I came across one of your earlier videos where your hair was short😢😢 I have an addiction personality and tour channels. My apology if I have already sent this to you. Great channel
I feel like if she had good intentions she wouldn't have done this. I get having morbid curiosity to an extent (not about this tho) but distributing it??? And profiting off that little boy's pain and suffering?? No. If she wanted to see for herself, fine. She should have kept it to herself. She invaded that families privacy for money.
As someone who has a background in forensics and the medical field-I could never imagine thinking this was ok. I’ve seen many victims of crimes and the defense of her looking at it from a “objective/scientific” perspective is ridiculous and makes me so angry. I look at gory thing in a scientific way every single day but I could never be this desensitized. There’s no excuse.
exactly!! she didn't even make an "educational" video like she is claiming either. literally.... it was her pointing at parts of the photos going "what is that?!?!?! is that string?? is that a stick???" when what she was pointing to was insect activity. Zav also spent several months stalking and harassing teenagers and accusing them of murder because she couldn't understand the autopsy of a drowning victim last summer.
Even if she didn't show any pictures of the boys body, she still saw a tragedy as nothing more than an opportunity to get some extra money and promote her patron. She saw something awful happen and only saw profit. That is absolutely disgusting
Rest in peace gannon. Im so sorry your story has been exploited in such a way. Knowing that people out there actually agree with her opinions sickens me to my core.
I don't know whether you have looked at her other lives but she streams for hours upon hours about stupid and nonsensical details, making up scenarios as though they are real and showing things that don't even matter to the case, acting as though they're the piece that will break the case. I'm talking 10 hours, 7 hours, 6 hours. It's insane. She's insane, IMO.
Between my time growing up in the bush, and learning how to butcher livestock, working as a butcher, my time as a first aider for rugby league and my time studying biomedicine at university, in which i had to regularly spend long hours with human cadavers, i became completely desensitised to gore, and whatnot. However, cruelty is something that still genuinely churns my stomach. Even just hearing about this case makes me feel sick.
She had followed the situation for years actually. Also the trial is over, which makes all this so much worse. The trial is over. We all already heard the awful details from the medical examiner. It was devastating enough the first time. There was absolutely no reason for her to request and post the pictures. There were diagrams she could have used. The family of Gannon asked her to take the pictures down, but she didn't until Patreon did it for her. Just disgusting...
Why did you listen to the medial examiner? HOW DARE YOU LISTEN TO PUBLIC INFORMATION FOR FREE. YOU ARE AN EVIL PERSON. See how dumb this is to get upset over? Besides: Critikal is making money from drumming up some juciy drama - over a dead kid. Have fun with that thought. If she followed the case, and wanted the case files, that's fine. If people wanted the files and she paywalled it, that's also fine. It's even nicer that she paywalled it, because not EVERYBODY has access to it then. People don't wanna pay can ask the police, no biggie.
At that point it's just poor taste on her end. Reality is grim and fucked up in many many ways and we can either silence reality / keep the internet squeaky clean and masturbation-friendly, or protect the rights of people like this to disseminate fucked up pictures obtained through legal channels. Honestly I'd rather the internet include the ability to see horrors like this than to not; because without the barbed edges we just have advertising and purported moral highness (Carbon Neutral Since 2007!) despite shoveling equally yet different forms of mental torment in its many vague forms. I dunno, seeing 700 articles telling a denomination of men that they suck and are responsible for all manner of atrocity is pretty exhausting and the ignorance of climbing suicide rates proves that there's double standards everywhere. But by all means, keep queens paid and push articles about how Findom is perfectly ethical.
We followed the trial live, every day, and like you said--I don't need to see the pictures, based on the comprehensive, stomach-churning testimony of the coroner and their autopsy report. Anyone who'd listened long enough to it and then think "gee, I wanna see that!" has a big problem.
i thought America is capitalist. that’s why Bernie is bad and money is good. so it’s simply patriotic to improve the economy at the expense of society and people. don’t be acting like american corporations don’t literally kill people for profit. but yeah let’s cry about a youtuber and crime photos
It doesn’t matter in the SLIGHTEST how she thinks she views the photos in a “scientific” way. What matters is that it is instantly disrespectful to the family and the child to look at and spread the photos, no matter how “scientific” you look at it.
I remember when Explore With Us just started promoting their patreon for access to uncensored videos, etc. cuz YT hates true crime and anything that discuss morbid stuff. There were people on the comment section that were disappointed that they DIDN'T SHOW GORE like autopsy photos and other stuff. EWU posted an apology in their community section to the people disappointed BUT HELD THEIR GROUND ON NOT SHOWING GORE. This whole situation is literally the opposite of what EWU had to go through.
And I applaud and respect them for it. What happened is what matters, the story is what matters. Getting peoples interest by showing bodies and corpses is absolutely disgusting as a thought alone and I’m glad they refused to do so.
that's not what gaslighting is (gaslighting is when you make someone question their sanity/judgement), but it does still display a disturbingly intense degree of manipulation.
Threatening suicide while already displaying an overall low value as a human being, zero morals and low sympathy is wild Do you think people will seriously care? You come off as a terrible person and try to make people feel BAD for you? It's wild to me
I've sat through a coroner's detailed description of someones autopsy who was murdered in court. It made me immediately understand why news and others don't show it. Seeing how traumatized the friends and family were... There's really not a need for that level of detail for a true crime channel.
The true crime community can be so damn demented. I used to only really listen to all that stuff because it usually taught me how to avoid the situations others have gotten themselves into, but that's a child. If my loved one's autopsy photos were going out everywhere online because of some asshole who sold them to people who wanted to see out of "morbid curiosity", I'd not only be traumatized, but pissed and completely upset. Hate this situation. True crime community needs to fix themselves, I swear. There's so many problems there.
As far as desensitization, I have been a nurse for almost 40 years and I couldn’t barely hear this story, let alone want to see those horrible photos or details. Poor little child is being exploited for money. As evil as shit.
You know, a lot of technology you have contains materials mined by children. I can't believe people today only care about their kind. If you truly hate children exploited for money, you should start doing research and due diligence on companies and how they buy their materials for their products. Have a good day sir.
The fact that she's charging for free information that anyone can request, (if anyone even is that curious as she says) somehow makes this even worse, cause now she's profiting off of this child's death too.
I'm not defending her choice to show the photos, but she's charging for the finished product (the video), not the images themselves. Had she blurred out the videos like most true crime channels do, we wouldn't have an issue.
@@JamesQMurphy All the true crime channels I watch use images already online, they don't show images that haven't already been released to the public. It seems like balancing on morality to get gruesome never-released-publicly images (meant to be used as proof the police didn't fake evidence) and then using that for monetary gain. Even if they blur it. Because as soon as you post something like that online, then the victims of the family/friends have a higher chance to stumble upon those traumatic images or for an unhinged subscriber just sending the family/friends those images. Basically what she did was unnecessary and will only result in her profiting while the victims are retraumatized by imagines that were not originally already released to the public or leaked.
So much to unpack here... I got curious about the autopsy records request process in CO, specifically in the county of jurisdiction where this happened. First, I thought these records may have been obtained through the County Public Records or Court Clerks Office, but exhibits of that nature would be restricted- and if it wasn't then wtf? So I looked up the process for autopsy records requests and it looks disturbingly easy, though I'm not sure how she would have gotten them without lying about her relationship to the deceased based on the following criteria: "This request needs to include your name, relationship to the deceased, name of deceased, date of death and information to get the report back to you including address and phone number." Oh and also: "Homicide autopsy reports are not released without written approval from the District Attorney’s office." I'm not sure if additional verification is required after the form is submitted, but autopsy reports are public record in Colorado. Super gross that anyone would be requesting them for entertainment... like, the only people who should be requesting that information who doesn't already have access to it is maybe family? News reporters I guess? Anyway, however she obtained them couldn't have been honestly or someone really effed this one up at the County. Either way, abhorrent behavior... Tried to go to her page to see if this was a one-off and, absolutely unsurprisingly, this degenerate is all about finding and exploiting the details of people's most tragic loss and exploiting them for equally complicit *checks notes* 87k cohorts. Ew.
There is definitely a difference between morbid curiosity and actually trying to help. If she wanted to help and be informative she should just be a coroner.
Morbid curiosity also posted a thing in their community stating that people who payed in an attempt to see that type of footage would not be seeing it as they understand it’s not right it show it
Hell, she could've just shown a coroner report - something that is easily accessible and would sound better to pay for than child death pictures. It's still morbid but far less fucked up
What she should or shouldnt do is not up to you. Freedom of Information Act. If she wants to make true crime documentaries and submit requests for case details/photos then she can. She doesnt need to become a coroner and she doesnt need your validation.
@@XxX-vi9if The photos are available because there are cases where the report is not consistent with the wounds. And it is always better to have more than 1 pair of eyes to confirm the coroner didn't either mess up or lie to cover up a conspiracy or was simply paid to do so.
You're right Charlie, that's not just a dead person, that's someone's kid. Complete lack of compassion for the victim and their family. I understand she has a RUclips channel dedicated to investigating these types of things but you have to know when to stop and where to draw the line. Charging money without the families permission like its a subscription based service is seriously messed up. I don't know what kind of family would even say yes to something like that even if you did ask.🤦♂
I knew Gannon, I went to preschool with him. He moved away and his parents got divorced. It’s disgusting what happened to him. I hope his stepmother rots in prison for the rest of her life. I feel for his mom and dad. RIP Gannon.
Oh god I know of Zav Girl. She was spreading false rumors about different people during the Delphi murder case. She was tweeting pictures of people she thought could be the killer based on a poor quality video. Every single person she publicly labeled as a suspect was innocent. Edit: The Delphi police actually had to publicly tell people like Zav Girl to stop. This is not the first time she crossed the line...
As someone whose sister died in a cycling accident it's bone chilling to me that someone might be able to request photos of her remains and sell them on patreon. This shit is ghoulish and if she still has a career today I will have lost the last shred of faith I had in youtube/patreon's quality control programs.
@@TGIFrank It's truly absolutely despicable. I can't imagine having the audacity and absolute lack of empathy it would take to do something so cruel. That said, the internet always has a monthly batch of dozens of weirdos who are revealed to be doing heinous shit. I'm sorry for your loss, and I hope that there's some solace in that... anyone willing to disrespect someone's loved ones like that, they will face immense well-deserved scrutiny and criticism.
It’s because he uses common sense that used to be normal(and still is with people who grew up old millennial and above. But now with later millennials to today it’s rare.
@@ronnievinettie999 ehh, maybe to some degree? It’s a product, imo, of parents needing to both work and also being being distracted. Also, losing old school mechanisms and sense. We somehow got to this point in life using a set of principles and rules, for thousands and thousands of years, and it’s all being rewritten in the last 20. It’s bogus and a terrible social experiment. Future generations will be laughing at us and saying “how did they get there?”.
@@chexnfx7161 That makes a lot of sense honestly, I suppose the rapid modernization isn't something that parents can honestly parent well in. But that's the industrial revolution for you. Fair enough Internet stranger
so she requested access to the private autopsy pictures from official sources, and then basically sold those images on her patreon. That feels like it should be a crime
Exactly what i was thinking. Surely, if she had to go through official paths and submit a request, then the redistribution and profit off of the images should definitely be a crime.
@@barryballsacks3007 So the news should go to prison when they publish documents for money in their articles? Are you people really this stupid and do not understand what FOIA is? lmfao
Depends the state, but autopsies and other records become public record once an investigation is completed. At that point, ANYONE can request for information. There are some states that do have certain protections on whom can obtain an autopsy for a specific individual, but for the majority, it’s public info.
I recently went through something horrible with the death of my sister, which was a case kinda similar to this. The idea of a person like this making money off of the autopsy of my baby sister makes me physically sick. I can't even fathom wanting to profit off of this poor family and this tragic incident. My heart goes out to the family of the victim, and i hope this woman gets her account deleted
i went to mortuary school and worked in the funeral industry, and am now pursuing my doctorate in forensic psychology. i am not desensitized to death. i can hide my emotions while at work, but it still nevertheless effects me. my husband is an emt, and even he is extremely effected by seeing people suffering. you can be able to hide your emotions in the field, but it will always effect you.
I remember Gannon’s murder and one of the saddest, most disturbing parts (to me), was when the stepmom kept talking about how sweet and kind and helpful he’s always been to her. She didn’t have a negative thing to say about him. I can’t remember if this was in the interrogation or like a news clip from when she was pretending he was missing, but she sounded genuine when she said it. She seemed almost surprised about why anyone would want to hurt him (like she couldn’t even believe she did it). I know it could be an act but it seemed oddly sincere, which makes this even more tragic. I mean, there’s obviously never a motive to kill a kid, even if he’d misbehaved, that’s not a green light for murder, but according to her he was a great kid. And then she google searches things like, “I hate my stepson.” It’s such a fcked situation
What’s even more insane is I bet this isn’t the first time she has requested files from cases like this. I wonder how many more people this could happen or happened to, being a child or not.
It happens all the time. If you’ve ever been on Reddit 50/50 or liveleak, you’d understand pretty quick the sheer bulk of available gore videos there are. Some outside forces are trying to get that kind of stuff taken down though.
@@ows3152 Yeah, I understand that there is an innate morbid curiosity in a lot of people, but actively seeking out gore like this (especially of a child) is deplorable.
I'm a true crime fan and I'm like Disgusted There's a reason there's usually no photos of CHILDREN in these cases given, and for good reason I can't look at any autopsy or death photo without it making me feel some sort of sick and upset, no matter how desensitized I've become and with children it's completely unbearable I'm glad I wasn't familiar with her channel
That is so messed up. The fact she says how she said she’s sorry but kept all the money she made off it, she could have given it to the family for doing what she did
People are interested in why heinous crimes occur, the people involved and the act itself, like staring slack jawed at a train wreck, hoping to see the gore. If they're willing to pay for the information, why not sell it to them? People forget that courtrooms are open to the public, anyone can watch the trial, if seating is available, and anyone can request trial records because they are available to the public. All a person needs is to know is where the trial took place, the date and the case number. You'll need to pay for transcripts and other items you receive, but that's basically all there is. But you'll ask "What about privacy for the victims family?". Then why are they available to the public? The courts are making the information available but if you request said information, you're a bad person?
@@Jackson-bz3sw If someone is upset seeing photos of a dead child, why are they paying for it? No one was harmed in any way by what this woman did. She offered photos for sale to people that wanted to see them. If photos of dead children upset you, don't buy them. It would be the same as saying that you find a certain movie objectionable. Instead of saving your money and not seeing the movie, you wish to the movie to be removed so that no one can see it. Stay in your own lane.
I used to work at a funeral home, in particular transfers. I’ve had to take children in my care multiple times. Every time I try to remember a certain child all I hear and see is the family members wailing. How someone could willing want to see let alone pay/ charge for photos that should only be available for official purposes is beyond me. I promised the families their loved ones would be safe with me and that includes not giving any information about them or their deceased loved ones to anyone. I’m so sorry this child is getting exploited in his death. Let the child rest. He died in a horrific way.
Well said. I was thinking about people like you that have personally seen and dealt with these kinds of things in a professional and respectful manner, and wondering what your thoughts on it would be. Thank you for sharing, it gives me relief.
At the same point in time this is all a matter of public record and information everyone has access to. I don’t think she did anything wrong as she was presenting the full case. Unfortunately that includes the gruesome aspects
@@gilliesiut2332 I don’t think anyone is disputing the fact that she was legally within her right to request those records, however, with these kind of cases, especially when they involve minors, those photos are sealed. The Watts case also took place in CO and there’s a reason why you cannot get those photos, even if you request them. Obviously this is strictly a morality issue (for now anyway). My hope is that the public outrage will cause other states to follow FL’s suit and exempt autopsy photos from public record requests. You can watch the trial, read the autopsy report and study the body diagram if you want to get a better understanding of the case and Gannon’s injuries. The photos are not necessary and no one should be profiting off of them.
As a father, I think moist will be a good dad. He understands isolating children from his career. And he understands not all careers require this. But RUclips’s or true crime influencers do need to take this into account.
As someone who does autopsies like these for a living, I’ve also had to hear the pain in the voices of the victims family members when they call and ask how random assholes on the internet get these photos and records. It’s people like her who further traumatize the families and it’s heinous. Imagine thinking that profiting from someone’s dead child is okay…. Just because you can request records doesn’t mean you should be able to. Disgusting.
So why doesn’t the government just stop selling them to the public? Bc the government is 100% charging per page per copy per record So are they not just as depraved ? Immoral ? How is it any different?
@@lovely-0009 Is all public records, that's how you can catch corruption in a police investigation, incompetence and so on, it's not actually a bad idea. The problem is people using these kind of things for profit.
@ryleyjohnson606 both unfortunately, it took a long time to catch dad, he was a cop for 35 years and retired a hero, now I cringe wondering how he treated others.
@magicalgrim3471 way better, one thing I definitely take away from it, it happened but I refuse to get stuck in that victim mentality they chronically live In.
Her eys are scary this zav girl. I am glad I didn't know her before. What a sick evil person she is. I hope these incidents change the laws and criminalize those evil acts
There was a point in my life where I considered working as an autopsy assistant but then I realized there would be children and the thought was too depressing.
Same here, but in my case I wanted to work in law enforcement and make my way to being a homicide detective. I couldn't deal with the idea of working cases that involved children
Yes, I agree it's very depressing, but I want to be one as there's not a lot of people working for forensics that much making a decline in the jobs. I like to think of it as being able to help & serve justice to those that have been affected & the victim (if i do crime autopsy's), and giving closure to friends n family in being able to give a "death diagnosis." Sad, yes, but someone outta do it & i volunteer.
I wanted to be a cop at one time, until I realized that sooner or later I'd be dispatched to a murder scene or an accident scene and would see a child and I would never recover from that. A former boss of mine used to run a mortuary/funeral home and he operated as a pickup specialist where he would be called out to scenes to retrieve and engage the deceased. The horror stories I heard from that man would make the strongest of constitutions dissolve immediately. He remembers in vivid detail some of the most horrific scenes he had been called out to and let me say without the detail he provided...you'd see one of the many he had seen and would've called it a career the next minute. How the sweet Hell he managed to do it as long as he did amazed me and still does to this day (may he rest in peace). In the decades that have passed since I had that urge to be in law enforcement, I have seen some dark shit on the internets and now have become so desensitized to gore it's unreal...but even thinking about seeing kids all dead and stuff still horrifies me. I don't know what it is about humans that we can deal with so much bad stuff including mangled corpses but as soon as it's a kid all bets are off and we are all different people.
i can't imagine the pain someone would feel losing their child, knowing that a parent's worst fear is outliving their own kid. and the fact Gannon died in a horrific way as well. Not only is the mother horrified and mourning her son but knowing some random woman on youtube just made people pay for photos of her dead son??? some of the most evil inhumane shit i've ever heard. RIP to Gannon.
@@TemulonWHY would she want to sell them, though? really, she is not a close friend or family member of the victim, and personally I just don't think she had any right to display any of the photos in the first place. the people wanting to buy them are just as nasty, absolutely, but this does not mean that she deserves to be defended. what she did WAS morally wrong, there is no good side to this story.
Med examiners still have more empathy than that. They have to try with all their might to buckle down and find out what happened, but it’s still traumatic. It’s NEVER easy for them. It never gets easier for them, so they force themselves to only momentarily detach to do their jobs..
This is why the only true crime content that I watch will be casual criminalist, some Mr. ballen, Wendigoon when he does that, and maybe the lore lodge when I feel like suspending my disbelief.
I have quite literally been a morgue attendant, and I can never imagine WANTING to see a brutally murdered child. I remember being disturbed just by seeing a body bag folded to fit a child - seeing how she didn't even fill half the shelf has stuck with me to this day.
ya but your also no interested in solving crimes so this kind of thing isn't for you. its for ppl who are fascinated in the process of solving crimes. if its not for you dont buy it and stop judging others
I Can understand wanting to get the files for an informative purpose, for example, text messages etc. but capitalizing off of a child’s corpse is beyond evil.
Regarding the records requests, you CAN make an open records request for just about anything, Dash cam, body cam, reports, etc. But usually it costs $7-10 and they can also deny it. Not only that but usually a lot of personal information is redacted.
I like to think that Charlie is doing a service to others by putting these fuckers on blast on the internet and shaming them for their evil ways. As they should be put down and publicly shame and given a reason why they suck speech by Charlie. He's doing God's work
Charlie: Making money with dead kids is evil Also Charlie: I made money by talking about a dead kid I love Charlie and public information is evil. @drongobones - Hope you don't sue anyone for taking your picture and making fun of it... now I wouldn't do such a thing, I'm a loyal upstanding citizen, always willing to attack public information where it shows it's ugly face. Someone is interested a case? KACHOW, right in the mouth. You don't get to access public information of cases, which are a public interest, this is fed territory now. You wanna share a picture online? KACHOW, right in the groin. You don't get to post your stuff online, you will give us your information, so we can protect you from harm - you are obviously too dumb to understand privacy. Or in short: Public information is OK, and it's exceptionally well handled by paywalling sensitive content like that - it's part of the case, and if stuff can be removed, then she'd be accused of lying ... as would the police.
@@revisit8480 what? Your whole comment feels like a schizo rambling, lmao, he shits on her because she sells the photo of a dead kid, while he only talks about the case, it's that simple, no need to throw a tantrum.
@@revisit8480He’s sharing it on a platform to spread awareness. You don’t have to pay to see this video and he isn’t showing the pictures of the child. Don’t compare him to her. What Charlie is doing is addressing the situation to let it be more known. What this woman did is wrong and if people just let it slide, she won’t face consequences.
@@AnalogFunktion That wasn’t his intention though. During the whole video he talks about how it’s wrong. And I’m pretty sure her Patreon has been taken down as of now. Or at least it should be. Just don’t accuse him of doing wrong when his intentions were good.
Charging for it is crazy, but the public having access to info like this is so things can’t be covered up. It’s public knowledge, like most property purchases. Same thing goes for databases for criminals, the public has access for good reason.
yeah how do you not like, when you're checking if everything is cut and timed properly, think, "I fucked up." and remove the fucking photos. if she HAD to put photos of Gannon, why couldn't she just put photos of him when he was ALIVE?? sometimes there are anatomical photos drawn that point to where any injuries on a body are and those ARE shown sometimes because they don't show THE BODY. they're just sketches of a generic human that's the same size and age of the person, and have lines pointing to any injuries and then have subtitles written over the line to say what it is. Like, I remember in the Gabriel Fernandez documentary they showed what his sketch looked like, and it was non-graphic and had a generic person that was meant to represent Gabriel. and that was used bc they were TALKING ABOUT THE INJURIES HE HAD!!!
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The kid’s dad didn’t even go to court the day that they showed autopsy photos because he couldn’t bear to see them. Now they’re just out on the internet somewhere.
That's heartbreaking 😔
As a father with a child who passed away, people would share photos of my son all the time off when he was on the hospital bed and i couldn’t handle it so i avoided social media for years.
This woman disgusts me
yes. you just stating facts?
@@zillatattoo🤓
@@zillatattoo 🤓
"Putting the evidence behind a paywall meant added security." Yeah, securing that only creeps weird enough to pay for photos of a tortured child will see it.
True but I mean anyone can request the info if they wanted to
@@davidwitdaguap3268
That just makes it even worse
@@warlordofbritannia I did ur mom if that makes it worse
@@warlordofbritannia yea there should be a back round check on the people requesting the info, but as it stand rn anyone can just send in a request and get all the evidence
@@davidwitdaguap3268
No, I mean the fact that she’s charging for publicly available information is what makes it even worse.
It's no longer morbid curiosity once you are willing to actually pay for it, then you have crossed the line into "fucked in the head"
yeah anyone who bought those pics should have their hard drives looked at by law enforcement
Maybe they weren't sure that the pictures were in there
@@anactualalpaca7016that’s a bit far tbh.
@GrandDukeMushroom The only difference between the video uploaded on RUclips, and the video uploaded on Patreon was that the Patreon video had the explicit photos, they knew what they were buying. Not having a go at you BTW just letting you know the facts.
@@anactualalpaca7016lick that boot
I love how she pulled the “education” card
Lady if someone wants to be educated in autopsy work, they go to school for it and get permission to conduct research, not send pics of naked dead kids to each other.
that doesn't make it any less educational...? What are you even talking about?? lmfao
@shelby5809 selling pictures of that dead boy is not educational in the slightest. The point is if someone actually wanted to be educated in that sense, study it or research it. Not pay for a boys autopsy photos. That does nothing.
alright. fuck any arguments at all i guess. you're always 100% right after all@@clouds9914
@@clouds9914 This. Even if someone wanted to actually research the case, they can request the information officially themselves. Her selling it makes it even more fucked up.
@@shelby5809it makes it significantly less educational lmao
I love how apology videos these days are just people saying ‘sorry’ and then proceeding to try to justify their actions and not be apologetic whatsoever
Most of them don’t even have the word “sorry” in them
They’re just trying to go all aboard the toxic gossip train 😔
she also has a filter on
People just want justification for their selfish actions. Always.
@@Tubeyou2343hhsgI don't see anything wrong with that lol but it's amusing for sure
I HATE it when people say I'm sorry you feel that way. That is not an apology. That's someone saying too bad, so sad, tough. It's so warped.
@@adamkorteNo. Just no. Get outta here troll.
@@adamkorteyou probably paid for the photos if ur acting like that
It's called shifting the blame
@@Romanticize_luvhe’s not wrong tho
Last time someone said that to me, they ended up bleeding on the floor and I almost got my ahh thrown in jail
It's mocking in your face and I do not tolerate anything like that
In a scientific and detached way? Ask anyone who works in a job where they see dead children, like EMTs, Police, Coroners, etc. it’s NEVER emotionally detached. It’s sad. It’s tragic. It’s horrific. Every. Single. Time.
Officers have to act detached, but most of the time it's crushing. Never not seen an officer have a breakdown, or at least cry after they finally get back from a terrible call.
Exactly. This is why these jobs have extremely high turnover rates or early deaths to stroke/heart attack/some other stress induced cause. These people have to "become detached" for the work and for the public but they aren't. Unless they are a psychopath.
I work in a funeral home. It no longer becomes a "comfort the family, remain detatched/professional" type thing with kids. It becomes personal, even if you don't have kids yourself. It hits way harder. You're used to working with adults and the elderly, not children.
I think of my own family when I see these things. I can never sleep knowing it's someone's reality and could very easily be my own. Makes you paranoid and driven by fear just trying to make sure it doesn't happen to you own
@@nyxonthestyx9825 I can't imagine any job where it's "normal" or you become detached to everything because it's a child. You may cope with it better than other people because you *have* to but a child death is such a rarity to begin with especially a murder.
It's worth noting that the people who would pay to see those autopsy photos wouldn't be paying to analyze them scientifically, but rather to be spooked, like it's a god-damn horror movie: they feel curious and want to look at the horrible images of a murdered kid, not because it would be interesting to analyze, but because they know it's traumatizing and want to feel that fear.
What gets me is that I think she knows that, and when she saw the autopsy photos she must have thought to herself "Ooh, this is gonna be so spooky! People will want to see this!"
And I bet she was right about that, sadly.
Either that or they get off to it. I’ve seen people comment on gore posts on twitter (I haven’t gone specifically looking for those but I like one petty school fight and suddenly gore is on my timeline) and they’re always horrible degenerate beings. It’s horrible to think what kinds of people exist
I’m sure there are some sick people who were interested in the photos but I do feel sorry for the people who were interested in the analytic things on her patreon, only to be scared, triggered and possibly traumatized by the photos
I really don't think that "spooky" should be the word used to describe the feeling someone gets when seeing a little kid who was hurt, over and over again, by someone who was supposed to take care of them. If that IS the word to describe what an individual feels when seeing something of the sort, that person either lacks any sort of depth or their depths know no bounds from which there's no return.
I'll go a step further and say that the ones who payed for it are creeps, there's no other explanation why they would got to the lengths of paying for it. Those who had some resemblance of morbid curiosity would just search for free stuff, it's not like there isn't any on the internet, but to actively want the pictures of the kid is just something a degenerate and mentally ill person would do, so creeps
Or maybe seeing dollar signs....
I feel so sorry for the family. It’s horrific enough that he was murdered and now he’s being treated as a side show. It’s so disgusting.
The family that murdered him?
@@jessestrobel2the step-mother murdered him, not the entire family
Different for any other adult? Father, brother, sister, mom, 18+ child?
@@rareposts Wdym?
Profound human suffering is a lot of things…. Horrifying, shocking, confusing, confounding, painful. One thing it isn’t is “interesting.” There’s nothing I hate more than suffering and I can’t imagine being inside the mind of someone who can manage to be ambivalent to it.
If she wasn't called out for it, she would never apologize or see the issue with her sharing a picture of a dead boy
Sad thing is, she still doesn't see a problem with her actions 🤦♀️
Not only was it a picture of a dead boy, but the autopsy photo was of him naked too. She showed everything. Lord know what kind of sick demented creeps bought those photos for their personal use....
bro how have you watched the video in 3 minutes?
right? what a freak
Not only that, but putting a paywall in front of it.
Selling death photos is already iffy. Selling death photos of a violently murdered child is so horrible that I can't even form the right words to express how utterly disgusting this is.
Gannon’s parents and others who loved him have been through enough. His dad said in the interview, please leave Gannon alone, he’s never done anything wrong to anyone. Thank you for sharing this.
I literally work in a funeral home and my heart breaks every single time we care for a dead child… This woman’s level of detatchment is horrifying.
Look at her eyes, it's enough to understand there is no life in her body
@@Susnation532There's a time and a place, dude.
Also (to the OP) I hope you guys get fairly paid for such emotional work, take care of your mental wellbeing.
I think seeing a dead child in person and seeing one in a picture are two very different things, no excuse but it's easier to detach yourself from what's on a screen.
Man..
Isn’t that a survival skill? If you were dealing with this stuff every day, wouldn’t you WANT to be detached? Otherwise you would get pretty fucked up just trying to do your job.
I don't remember the last time I've seen Charlie so unironically mad about a situation.
Yeah fr, this one definitely hit Charlie in a specific way.
Charlie has a long history of being particularly disgusted when children are involved in being mistreated or wronged.
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@@jesuschrist5384children and Customer service workers
Probably that girl drunk driving
“...You were so preoccupied with whether or not you could, you didn’t stop to think if you should"
It's so creepy that she's clearly using a face swapper to hide her real identity
I think you’re right. Look at how fluidly her eyebrows move as she’s speaking, and her weathered forehead in comparison to her extremely smooth looking face. She clearly knows she’s pissed off the wrong people and needs to hide her identity.
That or she's using a filter.
It also seems like her forehead doesn't wrinkle when she raises her eyebrows, and her eyes just feel wrong to me
Could be bad Botox
Definitely giving uncanny valley feels over here...
whats even more horrifying is this apology exists solely because she was called out, she probably still doesn't see it as a problem. its nauseating
I don't know if Charlie is aware but the True Crime community is... well it's a hive for people just like her.. and plenty of sociopaths. I guarantee there's others in the TC community posting/sharing stuff like this all the time and it just doesn't get noticed much.
Exactly. She's only mad that she got caught
Natural selection will take care of you
Exactly because at first she doubled down.
She seems mentally ill
This isn't even desensitization. This is just straight-up brainrot. There's a HUGE difference between people who are interested in True Crime due to morbid curiosity and people who make True Crime their entire personality/career and believe sharing and staring at photos of real murdered children is just being quirky or edgy and act shocked when the rest of the world tells them it's unacceptable.
Honestly most of the people that work in the fields with this sort of stuff (injuries/death of adults and children in the most brutal ways) HAVE to look at everything in a scientific way, but they go home and think about some of the worst cases for years. EMS workers have paid therapy most of the time even tho it's their job it's still mind and heart shattering being exposed daily
I wouldn't call it _unacceptable,_ I can accept that kind of behavior, because I can accept that people can disgusting cold hearted callous monsters. Which is what they are. But I accept that. Just leave them be, there's no point engaging with them, they don't care and likely never will.
i'm interested in true crime because it is actually helpful with finding out who could or could not be trusted. most of the time it's very obvious, but a lot of times it's the people you'd never suspect. Thanks to true crime and just trials in general i've found out and learned that my mother is not to be trusted because of her narcissistic behaviour. She would do anything to look good in front of others and she lied to me and my sister throughout my whole life.
Nahh you’re gatekeeping morbid curiosity
@@jtokes9400 she literally made money by obtaining the documents and photos of a deceased child and put them behind a paywall. At least other creators have actually donated money from their content on other people's loved one's deaths to the families that were affected.
God bless you Charlie for using your platform to call out the scum of the Earth. If I posted what I want to say about her, I would get banned. I am full of rage.
It's indefensible enough to sell the raw files for a profit, but the fact she made a video of the wounds synced up to the coroner's testimony is terrifying. She had to sit there for at least a few hours, deciding which wound was the one they were talking about, sync it up, then produce *that* for a profit, all while never once thinking, "I shouldnt be doing this." That's someone who can convinve themselves not to feel remorse about *anything.*
Desensitization + obsession makes people really scary. People can convince themselves into doing ANYTHING if they’re obsessed enough
@@SussyRobloxianXDnice bait.
Well put! I almost never venture to true crime channels im not familiar with, because every time i do the tone is so disingenuous its sickening. They seem more interested in the psychology of the killers rather than the memory of the victims.
A few key points I look for in a respectful true crime channel is titling the videos with the names of the victim(s) rather than the killer, researching what the family has said on who the victim was, and leaving descriptions of SA very vague. These are very good signs that the channel puts time and effort into respecting the victim and their families.
@@blakewhite3131I didn't ask
@@SussyRobloxianXDyou are gonna be used as a human spittoon. No one is gonna wait till you ask... That's like being respectful to a festering pile of feces.
She probably didn’t even see the photos, she just uploaded all the files and the photos were included without her knowledge.
Don’t attribute to malice what could just be incompetence.
She blamed her audience for “leaking” it and calling her out. She doesn’t care. Makes my stomach churn.
but she doesn’t even cuss on her channel
@@SweetMeatTMwhat does this have to do with the comment??
@@SweetMeatTMnobody said anything about cussing?
@@akaLilBit she says it in her "apology" video to try and prove how kind she is or something.
@@akaLilBit well jessoverhead, it seems your name is fitting
Seeing the body of a child whether you're a judge,a cop in any field shakes you,you always remember. Her excitement is disturbing and you're fully correct in calling it out. The system needs changing ,the fact she could even get them and put them out is horrific.
she disrespects this child's memory and his loved ones and has the audacity to use wording that makes HERSELF look like a victim... gross.
ppl are saying youtuber annie elise did the same thing as her - put autopsy photos/extremely sensitive info/pics behind a paywall on patreon- but i've been having trouble finding more info abt her. whatever the case, these ppl are insane and downright evil.
ANNIE ELISE. NO. She’s the only tc youtuber I watch. Dude omg
@@avasava7720 my mom also watched her and was so dissapointed too :( both of these girls are just so insensitive and thoughtless, its awful
@@avasava7720 I'd switch to Boze vs The World or Eleanor Neal if I were you, they're both very respectful of it. Just recommending (:
ADDITIONALLY, the MOTHER of Gannon came out and said that her son is not "a scientific experiment". The thought that the family has to relive the abuse of their child again by the hands of another selfish monster is sooooo sick.
The mother is the one who did this to him WTF are you talking about?
@@gagesons9006
*Step*-mother.
It's fucking crazy how she justified this with "It's for scientific purposes 🤓"
Like b!tch? Then go look for autopsies that are from body donors??? There is a literal research project dedicated to autopsies from willing donors 🤦🏾♀️
Snatching the pictures of a dead boy who was brutally murdered and claiming them as your research tools without the family's permission is demented and makes you look worse. Treating the boy and his family's love for him as an object for public viewing.
@@gagesons9006 He was staying with his dad & stepmother when he was murdered by that stepmom. He was very close to & had contact with his birth mom as well. I can see how some people got it confused.
@@gagesons9006 I am not sure you know what is going on
rest in peace gannon, sorry your death has to be overshadowed by someone charging people to see your body. hope you get justice.
you talking about the pig from zelda?
Rest in peace gannon, it's absolutely despicable that someone could do this and not feel like a piece of shit about it.
@@Dullsonic3yup.
Fight for dead rights!!! ✊
Well it's not like she can post his body on youtube.
feel like the people who bought those pics should have their hard drives looked at by law enforcement
Not only it is a genuenly sick thing to do in general, but not everyone just pays for these photos out of morbid curiosity.
There are terrible people on the internet, including people who would probably jack off to those pictures, kiddy fiddlers, "people" with some sort of gore f3tish.
But of course she doesnt care abaut that as long as she gets money.
She's treating these autopsy photos like it's a case from the Victorian era where no one is affected, instead of a CURRENTLY ONGOING TRIAL WHERE THE FAMILY IS STILL GRIEVING.
@@gjfjfkdksdjjdkeke1309hey bud, you’ve got the brain rot. Call your doctor
@@gjfjfkdksdjjdkeke1309what are you even saying
@@gjfjfkdksdjjdkeke1309I had a stroke reading this.
@@gjfjfkdksdjjdkeke1309 ….what?
@@gjfjfkdksdjjdkeke1309 take a shower and touch grass
You can get better I promise
Public records requests are *supposed to be* for freedom of information, and accountability of our police and court system (ie., does the evidence they say exist actually exist?)... NOT for youtubers to turn into entertainment and paywall. That is the opposite of their purpose.
The entire court system is messed up and exploited. It's meant to bring justice and order, but how many times has it created more victims or let a guilty person go free? The so-called system in bringing accountability doesn't work very well.
@@Inuweebthat wasn't even the topic the comment is about bruh
@@Inuweeb The answer to your question is NOT MANY. Contrasting with the amount of public safety it has directly caused, our justice system has a relatively low rate of failure. The accountability it has created is the reason we even have a society that has survived til today. It works way better than you think it does.
Thousands upon thousands of court cases are decided justly and fairly every single day, and millions of potential crimes are _not_ committed because people know they'll get arrested or face legal consequences. But fine, go ahead, watch the news and see criminals (and a relatively *_FEW_* unfortunate innocent people who fall through the cracks) complain and shout at the sky about about how "the entire court system is messed up."
Yeah we can and should do better. But just like I say to people who complain on their keyboards about the upcoming generation while refusing to become parents: If it's broke, how bout _you_ fix it!
@@SomeRUclipsTraveler100%
people quote obvious fear mongering talking points and expect everyone else to take them seriously.
@@dazenguile4215 i think a lot of people oversimplify topics by either saying "oh its not that bad" or "its really bad" when its in the middle
neither party takes it as serious as it should be (by that i mean more or less) so it doesnt get resolved
I just heard about this yesterday watching an interview with Gannons dad, so sad. Thank you for sharing this, she’s disgusting and needs brought to light bc that apology was not sincere.
Wow, I actually can’t believe someone could legitimately profit over a murder case like that. It’s not like she was posting a news story and earned something off of it, she sold pictures of a corpse like it’s a peep show or something. “Fresh pictures of a murdered child over here! Get it while it’s still a controversy!” It’s truly sickening
Even in the best case scenario of her charging for the longform video that has the autopsy photos, she still had the audacity to say "I don't see your child as a child" TO HIS FUCKING DAD.
Yea I think she views this case as nothing more than a spectacle and a way to make money
@@Susnation532bro could you don't on THIS video of all videos?
@@christopherm4739bots are unstoppable. Nothing except the heat death of the universe would stop them.
@@Susnation532 find god
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This is so demented, I swear she needs to be charged with a crime, selling autopsy photos on a murdered 11-year-old is so messed up and disrespectful to the family, its truly sick, I have no words and the people who bought the photos are just as sick too.
Especially when I'm sure she got them for cheap. She sold photos of *_SOMEONE ELSE'S DEAD BABY_* that she had to ask for and then sell...
Did you watch this whole video? It went from "she's charging money for the autopsy photos" to "she's charging money to see her true crime video that she made which includes the autopsy photos in it." Quite a bit different than the original claim I'd say.
@@pdpgb The point still stands that she shouldn't even have those autopsy photos in the video. Post the video without the autopsy photos and she wouldn't have to of apologize.
@@teresaaustell9004 If this was some big studio that made a serial killer documentary and used uncensored autopsy photos in it, would people be having the same reaction?
@@pdpgbNo, this isn't just a video that happened to have autopsy photos in it.
She specifically created a lengthy video on the autopsy and specifically synced up the photos, and sold it.
Just because she did not specifically ask for autopsy photos doesn't absolve her of not reviewing her source material.
And she asked for everything, which will of course include autopsy photos.
Suffer the societal consequences of earning dollars based on freedom of information requests.
She is trying to have it both ways. Trying to claim she had no idea... while also saying she didn't think the photos were that bad and hey, they were public already right?
Putting it behind a pay wall adds a a separate layer of dumb
Regardless about how you feel about autopsy photos, the fact is there has to be a certain level of depravity within you to do something exploitative like selling the private autopsy photos of an eleven-year-old boy and not see anything wrong with that. Highly disrespectful to the family and the poor boy whose life was ended
Watched the first 50 seconds and I got all I needed. Literally just even thinking about those photos and the fact that someone would spread them is making my stomach churn. Can't even bring myself to watch the rest of this video. I'm glad Charlie covers these situations though
It's not a surprise that she's apologizing. Because 1. She was caught and 2. Her Patreon was shut down. She's not sorry.
She couldn't be less sorry if she tried.
Literally this. She's not sorry about what she did, she just doesn't want the consequences from being caught.
Exactly
Definition of crocodile tears
exactly, in her video she didn’t even seem like she knew it was wrong
I'm a forensic dentist, and even I'm reluctant to use autopsy photos for teaching even though I'm allowed to (to a certain extent) out of respect for the dead. This woman is despicable.
no because i want to be a medical examiner but the moment people want to see i’m probably not going to share those photos unless the person provided explicit permission through donating or having a statement saying it’s okay to show the photos for education or something
As a teaching instrument, with approval, and only in that context, that's ok. That's passing knowledge so everyone can benefit from X or Y, but that woman... despicable is the best case scenario. Psychopath is more like and pathetic.
I've had to see autopsy photos as part of my EMT training, and it was always, ALWAYS, shown with massive respect to the dead. Hell, unless it was a discussion of facial injuries, we almost never even saw their faces, so that their identity would remain private. What she was doing was absolutely disgusting, and I only hope that the family can heal from this.
Is everyone really sure that all "true crime" is in fact true? This alone causes me to not react at all to what anyone's saying.
@@seriouscat2231idek what you mean but yes this situation is fucked up and is true crime. Not television fodder. It is a real crime that happened. Your question came off both confusing and unempathetic
I felt sorry for the jury, family & law enforcement who had to look at those pics. I can't even imagine a normal person wanting to look at something as sad as a murdered child.
I continue to watch your videos, and dude, this is truly the top ten videos on RUclips.
I gathered that you are both a college graduate and an OG on street news.
I came across one of your earlier videos where your hair was short😢😢
I have an addiction personality and tour channels.
My apology if I have already sent this to you.
Great channel
If she really had good intentions, she would have given the money made from this to the victims family.
I feel like if she had good intentions she wouldn't have done this. I get having morbid curiosity to an extent (not about this tho) but distributing it??? And profiting off that little boy's pain and suffering?? No. If she wanted to see for herself, fine. She should have kept it to herself. She invaded that families privacy for money.
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No way would the family want money that was raised from the monetisation of his autopsy.
If she had good intentions, she would not have released the photos.
“Ppl like me are interested in dead child corpses from a scientific perspective. Other ppl just have to *pay* …”
As someone who has a background in forensics and the medical field-I could never imagine thinking this was ok. I’ve seen many victims of crimes and the defense of her looking at it from a “objective/scientific” perspective is ridiculous and makes me so angry. I look at gory thing in a scientific way every single day but I could never be this desensitized. There’s no excuse.
exactly!! she didn't even make an "educational" video like she is claiming either. literally.... it was her pointing at parts of the photos going "what is that?!?!?! is that string?? is that a stick???" when what she was pointing to was insect activity. Zav also spent several months stalking and harassing teenagers and accusing them of murder because she couldn't understand the autopsy of a drowning victim last summer.
Are you also immoral for viewing corpses ?
@@Yor_gamma_ix_bae you got negative braincells
So you looking at it in a scientific way is ok, but her looking at it in a scientific way is "ridiculous"? How does that work exactly?
@@Falcon-um7vobecause its her job? The youtuber was ENJOYING it compared to her
She had the opportunity to not post up the pictures when she was given the report but still went ahead and posted them for profit 🤢
Unbeliavable how DE-humanized and DISRESPECTFUL "humans " can be...evil is even an underated word for this behavior
Even if she didn't show any pictures of the boys body, she still saw a tragedy as nothing more than an opportunity to get some extra money and promote her patron. She saw something awful happen and only saw profit. That is absolutely disgusting
So... All true crime content creators should be demonitized, then? Interesting take away.
@@voluntaryismistheanswerprobably shit is stupid as fuck
Hey, money is money. Capitalism isn’t going anywhere anytime soon.
@@gh0stdollor some people just don't care?
@@arandomcommenter412girl there's monetisation then whatever the fuck this is
Rest in peace gannon. Im so sorry your story has been exploited in such a way. Knowing that people out there actually agree with her opinions sickens me to my core.
Peace *
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The kid is dead. It's sad. He is not hearing your efforts to make yourself more comfortable. Why do even the dead have to like you.
I don't know whether you have looked at her other lives but she streams for hours upon hours about stupid and nonsensical details, making up scenarios as though they are real and showing things that don't even matter to the case, acting as though they're the piece that will break the case. I'm talking 10 hours, 7 hours, 6 hours. It's insane. She's insane, IMO.
Between my time growing up in the bush, and learning how to butcher livestock, working as a butcher, my time as a first aider for rugby league and my time studying biomedicine at university, in which i had to regularly spend long hours with human cadavers, i became completely desensitised to gore, and whatnot. However, cruelty is something that still genuinely churns my stomach. Even just hearing about this case makes me feel sick.
She had followed the situation for years actually. Also the trial is over, which makes all this so much worse. The trial is over. We all already heard the awful details from the medical examiner. It was devastating enough the first time. There was absolutely no reason for her to request and post the pictures. There were diagrams she could have used. The family of Gannon asked her to take the pictures down, but she didn't until Patreon did it for her. Just disgusting...
Why did you listen to the medial examiner?
HOW DARE YOU LISTEN TO PUBLIC INFORMATION FOR FREE. YOU ARE AN EVIL PERSON.
See how dumb this is to get upset over?
Besides: Critikal is making money from drumming up some juciy drama - over a dead kid. Have fun with that thought.
If she followed the case, and wanted the case files, that's fine. If people wanted the files and she paywalled it, that's also fine. It's even nicer that she paywalled it, because not EVERYBODY has access to it then. People don't wanna pay can ask the police, no biggie.
At that point it's just poor taste on her end. Reality is grim and fucked up in many many ways and we can either silence reality / keep the internet squeaky clean and masturbation-friendly, or protect the rights of people like this to disseminate fucked up pictures obtained through legal channels. Honestly I'd rather the internet include the ability to see horrors like this than to not; because without the barbed edges we just have advertising and purported moral highness (Carbon Neutral Since 2007!) despite shoveling equally yet different forms of mental torment in its many vague forms. I dunno, seeing 700 articles telling a denomination of men that they suck and are responsible for all manner of atrocity is pretty exhausting and the ignorance of climbing suicide rates proves that there's double standards everywhere. But by all means, keep queens paid and push articles about how Findom is perfectly ethical.
We followed the trial live, every day, and like you said--I don't need to see the pictures, based on the comprehensive, stomach-churning testimony of the coroner and their autopsy report. Anyone who'd listened long enough to it and then think "gee, I wanna see that!" has a big problem.
I would just like to add, she also reuploaded them several times after patreon deleted them
@@sparkleliptatochip7788 right
The reason her writing has capitals everywhere is because she's willing to capitalise on anything.
But it's no problem for every tv crime documentary about a subject like this to post those crime photos and profit from it?
i thought America is capitalist. that’s why Bernie is bad and money is good. so it’s simply patriotic to improve the economy at the expense of society and people. don’t be acting like american corporations don’t literally kill people for profit. but yeah let’s cry about a youtuber and crime photos
Underrated comment lmao
@@kathleenrobertpogue6818true crime is different. Its meant to be educational, whereas her intent was only financial gain
lmao
It doesn’t matter in the SLIGHTEST how she thinks she views the photos in a “scientific” way. What matters is that it is instantly disrespectful to the family and the child to look at and spread the photos, no matter how “scientific” you look at it.
I remember when Explore With Us just started promoting their patreon for access to uncensored videos, etc. cuz YT hates true crime and anything that discuss morbid stuff.
There were people on the comment section that were disappointed that they DIDN'T SHOW GORE like autopsy photos and other stuff. EWU posted an apology in their community section to the people disappointed BUT HELD THEIR GROUND ON NOT SHOWING GORE.
This whole situation is literally the opposite of what EWU had to go through.
EWU is very respectable
And I applaud and respect them for it. What happened is what matters, the story is what matters. Getting peoples interest by showing bodies and corpses is absolutely disgusting as a thought alone and I’m glad they refused to do so.
EWU is how I found out about the Zav girl situation. He's holding firm to that care for the victims
EWU is one of my favorite RUclipsrs. Professional, respectful, informative. Just all around super incredible
Even with EWU, I feel they go a bit far with their depictions of the crimes.
Dont forget she hit us with the "do you want me to kill myself" ao you know still exploiting human feelings and gaslighting
that's not what gaslighting is (gaslighting is when you make someone question their sanity/judgement), but it does still display a disturbingly intense degree of manipulation.
Threatening suicide while already displaying an overall low value as a human being, zero morals and low sympathy is wild
Do you think people will seriously care? You come off as a terrible person and try to make people feel BAD for you? It's wild to me
She should, seppuku was a thing
“Yes”
@@FunkiverseSeppuku is for people protecting their honor. That woman doesn't have a shred of it
I've sat through a coroner's detailed description of someones autopsy who was murdered in court.
It made me immediately understand why news and others don't show it. Seeing how traumatized the friends and family were...
There's really not a need for that level of detail for a true crime channel.
The true crime community can be so damn demented.
I used to only really listen to all that stuff because it usually taught me how to avoid the situations others have gotten themselves into, but that's a child.
If my loved one's autopsy photos were going out everywhere online because of some asshole who sold them to people who wanted to see out of "morbid curiosity", I'd not only be traumatized, but pissed and completely upset.
Hate this situation.
True crime community needs to fix themselves, I swear. There's so many problems there.
As far as desensitization, I have been a nurse for almost 40 years and I couldn’t barely hear this story, let alone want to see those horrible photos or details. Poor little child is being exploited for money. As evil as shit.
You know, a lot of technology you have contains materials mined by children. I can't believe people today only care about their kind. If you truly hate children exploited for money, you should start doing research and due diligence on companies and how they buy their materials for their products. Have a good day sir.
The fact that she's charging for free information that anyone can request, (if anyone even is that curious as she says) somehow makes this even worse, cause now she's profiting off of this child's death too.
You are typically charged when requesting public documents from the government.
I don't think FOIA requests are free. They're allowed to charge a reasonable fee for access to the information IIRC.
I'm not defending her choice to show the photos, but she's charging for the finished product (the video), not the images themselves. Had she blurred out the videos like most true crime channels do, we wouldn't have an issue.
@@JamesQMurphy All the true crime channels I watch use images already online, they don't show images that haven't already been released to the public. It seems like balancing on morality to get gruesome never-released-publicly images (meant to be used as proof the police didn't fake evidence) and then using that for monetary gain. Even if they blur it. Because as soon as you post something like that online, then the victims of the family/friends have a higher chance to stumble upon those traumatic images or for an unhinged subscriber just sending the family/friends those images.
Basically what she did was unnecessary and will only result in her profiting while the victims are retraumatized by imagines that were not originally already released to the public or leaked.
The FOIA request file in this case was $425.
So much to unpack here... I got curious about the autopsy records request process in CO, specifically in the county of jurisdiction where this happened.
First, I thought these records may have been obtained through the County Public Records or Court Clerks Office, but exhibits of that nature would be restricted- and if it wasn't then wtf? So I looked up the process for autopsy records requests and it looks disturbingly easy, though I'm not sure how she would have gotten them without lying about her relationship to the deceased based on the following criteria:
"This request needs to include your name, relationship to the deceased, name of deceased, date of death and information to get the report back to you including address and phone number."
Oh and also:
"Homicide autopsy reports are not released without written approval from the District Attorney’s office."
I'm not sure if additional verification is required after the form is submitted, but autopsy reports are public record in Colorado. Super gross that anyone would be requesting them for entertainment... like, the only people who should be requesting that information who doesn't already have access to it is maybe family? News reporters I guess?
Anyway, however she obtained them couldn't have been honestly or someone really effed this one up at the County. Either way, abhorrent behavior...
Tried to go to her page to see if this was a one-off and, absolutely unsurprisingly, this degenerate is all about finding and exploiting the details of people's most tragic loss and exploiting them for equally complicit *checks notes* 87k cohorts. Ew.
Penguinz0, i couldnt have said it better myself. Glad you and other youtubers have spoken out about this. Keep it real, keep it coming.
There is definitely a difference between morbid curiosity and actually trying to help. If she wanted to help and be informative she should just be a coroner.
Morbid curiosity is just going to live leaks or rotten, this wasn't morbid curiosity. She posted it with profit in mind.
Morbid curiosity also posted a thing in their community stating that people who payed in an attempt to see that type of footage would not be seeing it as they understand it’s not right it show it
Hell, she could've just shown a coroner report - something that is easily accessible and would sound better to pay for than child death pictures. It's still morbid but far less fucked up
What she should or shouldnt do is not up to you. Freedom of Information Act. If she wants to make true crime documentaries and submit requests for case details/photos then she can. She doesnt need to become a coroner and she doesnt need your validation.
@@XxX-vi9if The photos are available because there are cases where the report is not consistent with the wounds. And it is always better to have more than 1 pair of eyes to confirm the coroner didn't either mess up or lie to cover up a conspiracy or was simply paid to do so.
She’s been getting put on news stations and criticized for it too. Like such lack of empathy is insane.
Oh, is she? I fucking hope so. I hope she's like "oh damn, I really AM an asshole"
You're right Charlie, that's not just a dead person, that's someone's kid. Complete lack of compassion for the victim and their family. I understand she has a RUclips channel dedicated to investigating these types of things but you have to know when to stop and where to draw the line. Charging money without the families permission like its a subscription based service is seriously messed up. I don't know what kind of family would even say yes to something like that even if you did ask.🤦♂
I knew Gannon, I went to preschool with him. He moved away and his parents got divorced. It’s disgusting what happened to him. I hope his stepmother rots in prison for the rest of her life. I feel for his mom and dad.
RIP Gannon.
Oh god I know of Zav Girl. She was spreading false rumors about different people during the Delphi murder case. She was tweeting pictures of people she thought could be the killer based on a poor quality video. Every single person she publicly labeled as a suspect was innocent.
Edit: The Delphi police actually had to publicly tell people like Zav Girl to stop. This is not the first time she crossed the line...
Jesus! Reminds me of that TikTok “psychic” that was trying to convince the world that that teacher was responsible for the murders at Idaho College
Holy shit
She wasn't looking for autopsy photos, but she thought she'd sell them because she's just *quirky* like that.
As someone whose sister died in a cycling accident it's bone chilling to me that someone might be able to request photos of her remains and sell them on patreon. This shit is ghoulish and if she still has a career today I will have lost the last shred of faith I had in youtube/patreon's quality control programs.
@@TGIFrank It's truly absolutely despicable. I can't imagine having the audacity and absolute lack of empathy it would take to do something so cruel. That said, the internet always has a monthly batch of dozens of weirdos who are revealed to be doing heinous shit. I'm sorry for your loss, and I hope that there's some solace in that... anyone willing to disrespect someone's loved ones like that, they will face immense well-deserved scrutiny and criticism.
true crime enthusiasts are demented like that
@@JJCaustic not all of them are like that, but I get your point.
What a goofball!
I swear it always feels like Moist Critical is the only real adult on this platform
It’s because he uses common sense that used to be normal(and still is with people who grew up old millennial and above. But now with later millennials to today it’s rare.
@@chexnfx7161Doesn't that make it the fault of those generations that its gone?
@@ronnievinettie999 ehh, maybe to some degree? It’s a product, imo, of parents needing to both work and also being being distracted. Also, losing old school mechanisms and sense. We somehow got to this point in life using a set of principles and rules, for thousands and thousands of years, and it’s all being rewritten in the last 20. It’s bogus and a terrible social experiment. Future generations will be laughing at us and saying “how did they get there?”.
@@chexnfx7161 That makes a lot of sense honestly, I suppose the rapid modernization isn't something that parents can honestly parent well in. But that's the industrial revolution for you. Fair enough Internet stranger
i watch a lot of dark stories on youtube but this was quite hard to watch. Thanks for covering it
So glad her patreon was shut down.
That is absolutely disgusting.
She doesn't deserve a single cent.
One of the few times I agree with patreon on shutting down a page. I'm hoping her youtube channel gets banned too.
i mean, a 6 foot rope isnt free
And she deserves a cent-tence
@@shinobi4317💀
so she requested access to the private autopsy pictures from official sources, and then basically sold those images on her patreon. That feels like it should be a crime
Exactly what i was thinking. Surely, if she had to go through official paths and submit a request, then the redistribution and profit off of the images should definitely be a crime.
I was gonna say this, especially as the case is still ongoing in Court......
@@barryballsacks3007 So the news should go to prison when they publish documents for money in their articles? Are you people really this stupid and do not understand what FOIA is? lmfao
your pfp is my face
She should be in jail for a year or two for that!!
Depends the state, but autopsies and other records become public record once an investigation is completed. At that point, ANYONE can request for information. There are some states that do have certain protections on whom can obtain an autopsy for a specific individual, but for the majority, it’s public info.
I love how you can clearly see her looking at her screen to read her obviously scripted apology
Her eyebrows are a crime on their own. I want an apology video for those too...
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LMAO damn pencil strokes
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Shit look like the nike symbol 💀
@@CTxHasACoolChannelLMAO
I recently went through something horrible with the death of my sister, which was a case kinda similar to this.
The idea of a person like this making money off of the autopsy of my baby sister makes me physically sick.
I can't even fathom wanting to profit off of this poor family and this tragic incident.
My heart goes out to the family of the victim, and i hope this woman gets her account deleted
My heart goes out to you too, that's an awful thing to experience. I hope your sister and Gannon are resting peacefully ❤️
I'm so sorry for your loss,I hope you are okay
so sorry for your loss were here if you ever need to talk
:< sending virtual hugs
I'm sorry for your loss.
i went to mortuary school and worked in the funeral industry, and am now pursuing my doctorate in forensic psychology. i am not desensitized to death. i can hide my emotions while at work, but it still nevertheless effects me. my husband is an emt, and even he is extremely effected by seeing people suffering. you can be able to hide your emotions in the field, but it will always effect you.
I remember Gannon’s murder and one of the saddest, most disturbing parts (to me), was when the stepmom kept talking about how sweet and kind and helpful he’s always been to her. She didn’t have a negative thing to say about him. I can’t remember if this was in the interrogation or like a news clip from when she was pretending he was missing, but she sounded genuine when she said it. She seemed almost surprised about why anyone would want to hurt him (like she couldn’t even believe she did it). I know it could be an act but it seemed oddly sincere, which makes this even more tragic. I mean, there’s obviously never a motive to kill a kid, even if he’d misbehaved, that’s not a green light for murder, but according to her he was a great kid. And then she google searches things like, “I hate my stepson.” It’s such a fcked situation
What’s even more insane is I bet this isn’t the first time she has requested files from cases like this. I wonder how many more people this could happen or happened to, being a child or not.
It happens all the time. If you’ve ever been on Reddit 50/50 or liveleak, you’d understand pretty quick the sheer bulk of available gore videos there are. Some outside forces are trying to get that kind of stuff taken down though.
They're all open record. This isn't private information, it's public information that anyone can request.
@@bigd7481 it’s just disgusting to want that whether it’s available or not🤷♂️
@@ows3152 Yeah, I understand that there is an innate morbid curiosity in a lot of people, but actively seeking out gore like this (especially of a child) is deplorable.
@@DannySEP yep.
She's sorry for the backlash, not the actions. She's horrible and knew exactly what she was doing. She's a grown woman that knows right from wrong
I'm a true crime fan and I'm like
Disgusted
There's a reason there's usually no photos of CHILDREN in these cases given, and for good reason
I can't look at any autopsy or death photo without it making me feel some sort of sick and upset, no matter how desensitized I've become and with children it's completely unbearable
I'm glad I wasn't familiar with her channel
That is so messed up. The fact she says how she said she’s sorry but kept all the money she made off it, she could have given it to the family for doing what she did
That fact that she thought this was okay is really infuriating.
People are interested in why heinous crimes occur, the people involved and the act itself, like staring slack jawed at a train wreck, hoping to see the gore. If they're willing to pay for the information, why not sell it to them? People forget that courtrooms are open to the public, anyone can watch the trial, if seating is available, and anyone can request trial records because they are available to the public. All a person needs is to know is where the trial took place, the date and the case number. You'll need to pay for transcripts and other items you receive, but that's basically all there is. But you'll ask "What about privacy for the victims family?". Then why are they available to the public? The courts are making the information available but if you request said information, you're a bad person?
@@Temulon Yes, that does make you a bad person.
@@Purriah In your opinion. Don't forget that with your opinion plus one dollar, I can buy a Pepsi.
@@Temulonyes dummy. Fact that u can do something legally doesn't mean its morally good or u should do it.
@@Jackson-bz3sw If someone is upset seeing photos of a dead child, why are they paying for it?
No one was harmed in any way by what this woman did. She offered photos for sale to people that wanted to see them. If photos of dead children upset you, don't buy them.
It would be the same as saying that you find a certain movie objectionable. Instead of saving your money and not seeing the movie, you wish to the movie to be removed so that no one can see it. Stay in your own lane.
I used to work at a funeral home, in particular transfers. I’ve had to take children in my care multiple times. Every time I try to remember a certain child all I hear and see is the family members wailing. How someone could willing want to see let alone pay/ charge for photos that should only be available for official purposes is beyond me.
I promised the families their loved ones would be safe with me and that includes not giving any information about them or their deceased loved ones to anyone. I’m so sorry this child is getting exploited in his death.
Let the child rest. He died in a horrific way.
Thank you for thinking of the families before anything else. I have a tremendous amount of respect for anyone who has worked in that field. ♥️♥️
Well said. I was thinking about people like you that have personally seen and dealt with these kinds of things in a professional and respectful manner, and wondering what your thoughts on it would be. Thank you for sharing, it gives me relief.
At the same point in time this is all a matter of public record and information everyone has access to. I don’t think she did anything wrong as she was presenting the full case. Unfortunately that includes the gruesome aspects
Afghanistan was an interesting time for me
@@gilliesiut2332 I don’t think anyone is disputing the fact that she was legally within her right to request those records, however, with these kind of cases, especially when they involve minors, those photos are sealed. The Watts case also took place in CO and there’s a reason why you cannot get those photos, even if you request them. Obviously this is strictly a morality issue (for now anyway). My hope is that the public outrage will cause other states to follow FL’s suit and exempt autopsy photos from public record requests. You can watch the trial, read the autopsy report and study the body diagram if you want to get a better understanding of the case and Gannon’s injuries. The photos are not necessary and no one should be profiting off of them.
That should be illegal
As a father, I think moist will be a good dad. He understands isolating children from his career. And he understands not all careers require this. But RUclips’s or true crime influencers do need to take this into account.
Does his gf/wife have a child?? I haven't been following Charlie much
As someone who does autopsies like these for a living, I’ve also had to hear the pain in the voices of the victims family members when they call and ask how random assholes on the internet get these photos and records. It’s people like her who further traumatize the families and it’s heinous. Imagine thinking that profiting from someone’s dead child is okay…. Just because you can request records doesn’t mean you should be able to. Disgusting.
So why doesn’t the government just stop selling them to the public? Bc the government is 100% charging per page per copy per record So are they not just as depraved ? Immoral ? How is it any different?
How DO they get the info? Don't they have to be the parents or guardians?
I thought there'd be more security around it
@@lovely-0009 Is all public records, that's how you can catch corruption in a police investigation, incompetence and so on, it's not actually a bad idea. The problem is people using these kind of things for profit.
@@sergioccs74 that's insane
True crime is a pretty effed up phenomena
As the child of a narcissist i will never be surprised at how evil some people are, the worst part is some are able to hide it for a long time.
it's still sometimes a surprise to see how far they will go to please their ego
ah you too? who was it, your mom or your dad?
Hope you’re doing better these days
@ryleyjohnson606 both unfortunately, it took a long time to catch dad, he was a cop for 35 years and retired a hero, now I cringe wondering how he treated others.
@magicalgrim3471 way better, one thing I definitely take away from it, it happened but I refuse to get stuck in that victim mentality they chronically live In.
Her eys are scary this zav girl. I am glad I didn't know her before. What a sick evil person she is. I hope these incidents change the laws and criminalize those evil acts
I always knew that regular people can get sensitive information like that, but I feel like they tell you you can't duplicate, share, or sell it?
There was a point in my life where I considered working as an autopsy assistant but then I realized there would be children and the thought was too depressing.
Same here, but in my case I wanted to work in law enforcement and make my way to being a homicide detective. I couldn't deal with the idea of working cases that involved children
Depressing enough for natural causes, then worse for careless accidents that were preventable, but then the worst ever, abuse /murder
Yes, I agree it's very depressing, but I want to be one as there's not a lot of people working for forensics that much making a decline in the jobs.
I like to think of it as being able to help & serve justice to those that have been affected & the victim (if i do crime autopsy's), and giving closure to friends n family in being able to give a "death diagnosis."
Sad, yes, but someone outta do it & i volunteer.
I wanted to be a cop at one time, until I realized that sooner or later I'd be dispatched to a murder scene or an accident scene and would see a child and I would never recover from that. A former boss of mine used to run a mortuary/funeral home and he operated as a pickup specialist where he would be called out to scenes to retrieve and engage the deceased. The horror stories I heard from that man would make the strongest of constitutions dissolve immediately. He remembers in vivid detail some of the most horrific scenes he had been called out to and let me say without the detail he provided...you'd see one of the many he had seen and would've called it a career the next minute. How the sweet Hell he managed to do it as long as he did amazed me and still does to this day (may he rest in peace).
In the decades that have passed since I had that urge to be in law enforcement, I have seen some dark shit on the internets and now have become so desensitized to gore it's unreal...but even thinking about seeing kids all dead and stuff still horrifies me. I don't know what it is about humans that we can deal with so much bad stuff including mangled corpses but as soon as it's a kid all bets are off and we are all different people.
Those children deserve to have their story told, which includes a well performed autopsy.
i can't imagine the pain someone would feel losing their child, knowing that a parent's worst fear is outliving their own kid. and the fact Gannon died in a horrific way as well. Not only is the mother horrified and mourning her son but knowing some random woman on youtube just made people pay for photos of her dead son??? some of the most evil inhumane shit i've ever heard. RIP to Gannon.
@@Temulon you're sick in the head. how about not posting the pictures at all? have some respect for the dead.
@@Temulon Yes, if she didn't profit off of them it would not have been as bad. Still bad, but not as bad.
I think worse of the people actually wanting the photos, not of her for selling them.
@@TemulonWHY would she want to sell them, though? really, she is not a close friend or family member of the victim, and personally I just don't think she had any right to display any of the photos in the first place. the people wanting to buy them are just as nasty, absolutely, but this does not mean that she deserves to be defended. what she did WAS morally wrong, there is no good side to this story.
And Critikal makes money from talking about this drama. Meaning he makes money over a dead kid.
Med examiners still have more empathy than that. They have to try with all their might to buckle down and find out what happened, but it’s still traumatic. It’s NEVER easy for them. It never gets easier for them, so they force themselves to only momentarily detach to do their jobs..
This is why the only true crime content that I watch will be casual criminalist, some Mr. ballen, Wendigoon when he does that, and maybe the lore lodge when I feel like suspending my disbelief.
I have quite literally been a morgue attendant, and I can never imagine WANTING to see a brutally murdered child. I remember being disturbed just by seeing a body bag folded to fit a child - seeing how she didn't even fill half the shelf has stuck with me to this day.
So people that can handle that just fine are monsters and you are an angel?
@@TheGoodContent37 this person literally never said that and it wasn't the point lmao, what's wrong with you
@@TheGoodContent37 Hey edgelord, you're completely missing the point.
ya but your also no interested in solving crimes so this kind of thing isn't for you. its for ppl who are fascinated in the process of solving crimes. if its not for you dont buy it and stop judging others
@@jefferyhamilton7207you have lost touch of reality
She's the kind of person that would dig up a grave and charge people to see it.
And you the person that would want to see it
@VetementsEth I didn't buy her patreon so thats just a dumbass statement.
It’s funny how this has historical accuracy to back it.
She kinda did already
I'd say what she actually did is way worse than digging someone's grave up.
I Can understand wanting to get the files for an informative purpose, for example, text messages etc. but capitalizing off of a child’s corpse is beyond evil.
Regarding the records requests, you CAN make an open records request for just about anything, Dash cam, body cam, reports, etc. But usually it costs $7-10 and they can also deny it. Not only that but usually a lot of personal information is redacted.
Even though these stories are sad, and drop my mood down quite a bit, I think Charlie bringing light to these situations is a very good thing.
I agree the world is a fucked up place it’s good to know about these things so we are not blind
2.3 M views in 20 hours is amazing. Makes me feel that this video alone is doing some justice already
It’s a big reason I’ve been a Charlie subscriber for so long. I’d never hear about half of this stuff without him breaking it down in these vids
Big brain take
I like to think that Charlie is doing a service to others by putting these fuckers on blast on the internet and shaming them for their evil ways. As they should be put down and publicly shame and given a reason why they suck speech by Charlie. He's doing God's work
Charlie: Doesn’t want to go into the case too much.
Also Charlie: explains the whole case better than the true crime channel did.
He's so good at finding info and putting it together in a concise way. Love Charlie's vids
Charlie: Making money with dead kids is evil
Also Charlie: I made money by talking about a dead kid
I love Charlie and public information is evil. @drongobones - Hope you don't sue anyone for taking your picture and making fun of it... now I wouldn't do such a thing, I'm a loyal upstanding citizen, always willing to attack public information where it shows it's ugly face.
Someone is interested a case? KACHOW, right in the mouth. You don't get to access public information of cases, which are a public interest, this is fed territory now.
You wanna share a picture online? KACHOW, right in the groin. You don't get to post your stuff online, you will give us your information, so we can protect you from harm - you are obviously too dumb to understand privacy.
Or in short:
Public information is OK, and it's exceptionally well handled by paywalling sensitive content like that - it's part of the case, and if stuff can be removed, then she'd be accused of lying ... as would the police.
@@revisit8480 what? Your whole comment feels like a schizo rambling, lmao, he shits on her because she sells the photo of a dead kid, while he only talks about the case, it's that simple, no need to throw a tantrum.
@@revisit8480He’s sharing it on a platform to spread awareness. You don’t have to pay to see this video and he isn’t showing the pictures of the child. Don’t compare him to her. What Charlie is doing is addressing the situation to let it be more known. What this woman did is wrong and if people just let it slide, she won’t face consequences.
@@AnalogFunktion That wasn’t his intention though. During the whole video he talks about how it’s wrong. And I’m pretty sure her Patreon has been taken down as of now. Or at least it should be. Just don’t accuse him of doing wrong when his intentions were good.
I love how he said "then you are a bad person".
Charging for it is crazy, but the public having access to info like this is so things can’t be covered up. It’s public knowledge, like most property purchases. Same thing goes for databases for criminals, the public has access for good reason.
That fact she sat there an edited a whole video boils my blood
yeah how do you not like, when you're checking if everything is cut and timed properly, think, "I fucked up." and remove the fucking photos. if she HAD to put photos of Gannon, why couldn't she just put photos of him when he was ALIVE?? sometimes there are anatomical photos drawn that point to where any injuries on a body are and those ARE shown sometimes because they don't show THE BODY. they're just sketches of a generic human that's the same size and age of the person, and have lines pointing to any injuries and then have subtitles written over the line to say what it is.
Like, I remember in the Gabriel Fernandez documentary they showed what his sketch looked like, and it was non-graphic and had a generic person that was meant to represent Gabriel.
and that was used bc they were TALKING ABOUT THE INJURIES HE HAD!!!
@@chocomelo454 yah this women is absolutely disgusting
Facts! Edits it rewatches it and be like mmmhh yep that's perfect
Sick!!!