It is very easy, the route for one to follow : one must only stop mind, putting its activities to a zero point. That means - mind must flow out, give its opinions, divisions, dualisms; this should happen only when it is called. Mind can never speak by itself, or insinuate " I ". I is the beginning of the dreaming. When I appears, it must be observed by the same mind. Along the time, we will notice that I appears everytime, with a label, your name, or at random, when you lower the guard state. So, the conflict comes out : a mind observes, the others act compulsively, all speak " I ". When the observing mind gains territory, the eternally-speaking minds will slowly fade away ; some time in the future, all minds will disappear, now you are truly alone. Now you are in Dhyaana without any effort. Thanks for the article, very good.
I think the group is a great idea. It's very helpful to compare experiences. Many things become clearer when people try to articulate what they know to be true for them. Both for the experiencer and the fellow truth seekers listening to them. It's an interesting process when you're dedicated on working yourself. Self mastery is not a solitary endeavour which I have verified for myself many times.
A big and important part of groups is the not so fun fact of getting on each other's nerves and pushing each other's buttons. We get to see all parts of ourselves, whether we want to or not.
'Gurdjieff on 'How Can One Awaken?"' Is a very interesting video you shared with us! thank you Lewis for doing this (and worth to view a couple of more times). I've tried the 'discord link' but I am not invited so it stops there; then I've created a 'discord account' but.....I can't find the Book Club on that medium (maybe I was born too long ago to get familiar in this digital realm) Well I'm looking forward to chapter 9 of 'Fragments' on RUclips Greetings
Try this link Driek. I’m glad to hear that you found the information valuable! It is surely worth going through the material multiple times. Here’s the discord link again : discord.gg/hRyDUum3
I am terrible with technology… I did download the app, and I linked to your Discord channel, and I think I am in, but I’m not sure… So say hello to me to make sure that I am in. I am excited about a Gurdjieff group… My sister has a Wisdom group and I always thought she was so lucky to have such a group, but I live too far from her to make it feasible… Perhaps fate had me find this channel… It just showed up in my feed… And I’m not sure why. Hopefully we can get a group going, and thanks again for pushing through your resistance and getting your videos done! Me and resistance are close friends, so I understand! Looking forward to your next video. Thanks for sharing, love and light to all on the quest to awaken.
Hi Lisa. Welcome to the Channel. It’s great to have you here with us. 🙏 Several new members have come in to the group, and I have ‘waved’ at you guys 😂🤣 and put a new post in the In Search of the Miraculous page. Looking forward to supporting and inspiring one another 🙏❤️
Very good to hear that you are taking the work of Gurjief to the common people to awaken them. I am from India and would like to form a group of Book readers on Gurjief. Thanks.
your video inspired me to dream I dreamt I was awake...and when I woke up I realized I was still asleep.. I woke up singing the nursery song life is but a dream
So glad to have found your channel. i have been interested in there ideas for many years. Getting a group together online... ? hmmm could be really cool.
A fairly short but profound book that might serve as a complement to Gurdjieff's teachings on this channel is 'Riding the Ox Home' by John Daido Lori (you can find a pdf by searching). It's about catching and taming the ox, which relates to the struggle of self-remembering and staying awake (see the Ten Ox Herding Pictures / Ten Bulls, Zen Buddhism).
The mind's dominance is toppled? What nonsense. Human nature is mind and body. The mind is the idea of the body and the body is the object of the mind, they work as one unit. Whatsoever affects the body the mind simultaneously observes it, and makes conclusions depending upon its level of knowledge or understanding. The mind is a thinking thing, comprised of clear ideas and confused ideas. You must know the difference. It's the confused thinking that Eckhart Tolle is talking about. The belief in free will is an obstacle to true knowledge.
i want to say one can do it by themselves. Tho I dont believe it to be so if i may say that I am awakened (atleaset more than I was prior) it was because of another person. So i appreciate what Gurdjeff says here.
dude, thank you! i feel like i've waken up a week ago and am slipping back into sleep definately had similar experience like 10 years ago, got pretty scared cause every one i know attacked me and tried to "put me in my lane" it was right at the start of my career so i think i had no chance of maintaining this state i noticed it helps tremendously to have no money would you recommend reading it in russian?
It’s always better in the original language. So if you know Russian then of course. I know what you mean about the people around you. Lucky I was hard headed and lived like a hermit for a few years while I got through much of the transformation , and had a small group of like minded people which helped. 🙏
Hey Igor, yes it’s active and we have many channels and participants. It has been quite good recently with some new members and the start of the reading of The Tales. Here’s the link again: discord.gg/f28mket6
Didn’t ouspensky at the end say he didn’t think he had gotten anywhere with his work and findings ? Not that it’s not helpful but am I correct in this conclusion about this man and his work ?
Yes, if you read chapter 18 of In Search of The Miraculous, Ouspensky documents his feelings about the work and Gurdjieff there. You can also read accounts of followers about the time following Ouspensky leaving Gurdjieff.
@@bookclub5291 its interesting to me that he was actually still writing when he had those thoughts i would have thought it was an end of life revelation? thanks for the reply, and thanks for creating content
Hi there gareth. Here is the link. Sadly it has gone quiet in the group recently , but I hope your entry can spark some new energy. discord.gg/4jHAH3C3
it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle. this awakening state cannot be achieved through the mind. and for us to say all we have to do is stop the mind is a joke. however in all this,.....one must never stop trying if the desire is there. that's my 2 cents.
I think a group it's a good idea as long people talk about practical personal experience, not books. I love books but I found that's a distraction from the work. It's another identification! It's another look at me I'm more spiritual than you! Ha ha ha !
“ YOU wrote this book. YOU wrote it for yourself to read, as a reminder (to re-member) of what you have forgotten.” Eckhart Tolle I was just going over my notes from the power of now and came across this idea that everything we read towards awakening we wrote to ourselves. This is a mind blowing idea! There was a movie called memento, and his long-term memory was completely erased, and all he had was five minutes of short term memory, and then so he would not forget again, he tattooed messages all over his body, left himself post it notes, so each time his memory would disappear, he could quickly read the notes and his tattoos to catch up… Perhaps, as we read this book, it would be fun and playful to think that we wrote it to ourselves toremind us to not go back to sleep!
Interesting 🤔 I would argue that Gurdjieff attempted to wake Ouspensky up, and if you read Gurdjieff’s Meetings with Remarkable you will discover His journey. It’s loosely biographical.
bs....true apophasis or epistrophe can ultimately only be achieved on ones own. I suspect gurdj either didnt know this or is meaning to imply a group or mentor is helpful in nudging or revealing the true method of extracting the pure citta through the jhyana or "burning"
Hey how is the book club going? I am currently attending the online fourth way school but we hardly discuss beelzebubs tales to his grandson and think it could be good to discuss and question with others. Invite please
If you are still looking and are dissatisfied with where you are I may be able to help. I have studied Gurdjieff 's teachings for over 40years. As a mentor and coach, I can teach you how to reach the 4th Way.
This is all about objective truth, Which means once you have solved the riddle, You can only exist in that place of objective truth You dont know every little thing man imagines But you know what matters and what dont as the great Nasser Mullah Nadeen would mutter "you will get the point, when you find that needle in a Haystack"
It is very easy, the route for one to follow : one must only stop mind, putting its activities to a zero point. That means - mind must flow out, give its opinions, divisions, dualisms; this should happen only when it is called. Mind can never speak by itself, or insinuate " I ". I is the beginning of the dreaming. When I appears, it must be observed by the same mind. Along the time, we will notice that I appears everytime, with a label, your name, or at random, when you lower the guard state. So, the conflict comes out : a mind observes, the others act compulsively, all speak " I ". When the observing mind gains territory, the eternally-speaking minds will slowly fade away ; some time in the future, all minds will disappear, now you are truly alone. Now you are in Dhyaana without any effort. Thanks for the article, very good.
Well said! Thanks for sharing 🙏❤️
Thank you for your perspective.
I think the group is a great idea. It's very helpful to compare experiences. Many things become clearer when people try to articulate what they know to be true for them. Both for the experiencer and the fellow truth seekers listening to them. It's an interesting process when you're dedicated on working yourself. Self mastery is not a solitary endeavour which I have verified for myself many times.
Hey Kathy! The group has begun and we have several new members. I have posted a question for people to begin sharing something about themselves. 😀🙏❤️
A big and important part of groups is the not so fun fact of getting on each other's nerves and pushing each other's buttons. We get to see all parts of ourselves, whether we want to or not.
'Gurdjieff on 'How Can One Awaken?"' Is a very interesting video you shared with us! thank you Lewis for doing this (and worth to view a couple of more times).
I've tried the 'discord link' but I am not invited so it stops there; then I've created a 'discord account' but.....I can't find the Book Club on that medium (maybe I was born too long ago to get familiar in this digital realm)
Well I'm looking forward to chapter 9 of 'Fragments' on RUclips
Greetings
Try this link Driek. I’m glad to hear that you found the information valuable! It is surely worth going through the material multiple times.
Here’s the discord link again :
discord.gg/hRyDUum3
I am terrible with technology… I did download the app, and I linked to your Discord channel, and I think I am in, but I’m not sure… So say hello to me to make sure that I am in. I am excited about a Gurdjieff group… My sister has a Wisdom group and I always thought she was so lucky to have such a group, but I live too far from her to make it feasible… Perhaps fate had me find this channel… It just showed up in my feed… And I’m not sure why. Hopefully we can get a group going, and thanks again for pushing through your resistance and getting your videos done! Me and resistance are close friends, so I understand! Looking forward to your next video. Thanks for sharing, love and light to all on the quest to awaken.
Hi Lisa. Welcome to the Channel. It’s great to have you here with us. 🙏
Several new members have come in to the group, and I have ‘waved’ at you guys 😂🤣 and put a new post in the In Search of the Miraculous page. Looking forward to supporting and inspiring one another 🙏❤️
Very good to hear that you are taking the work of Gurjief to the common people to awaken them. I am from India and would like to form a group of Book readers on Gurjief. Thanks.
your video inspired me to dream I dreamt I was awake...and when I woke up I realized I was still asleep.. I woke up singing the nursery song life is but a dream
Too true 🙏
So glad to have found your channel. i have been interested in there ideas for many years.
Getting a group together online... ? hmmm could be really cool.
Hi there. Glad you found the channel too. Welcome! There is a discord group if you are interested, or the comment section works well too.
Really interesting.
Glad you thought so!
I do NOT agree that one requires a group to get the work done !
A fairly short but profound book that might serve as a complement to Gurdjieff's teachings on this channel is 'Riding the Ox Home' by John Daido Lori (you can find a pdf by searching).
It's about catching and taming the ox, which relates to the struggle of self-remembering and staying awake (see the Ten Ox Herding Pictures / Ten Bulls, Zen Buddhism).
Excellent. Thanks for the great suggestion. I will look into it right away! Maybe read it on the channel. 😀🙏
Awesome! 😀
Thanks
A pleasure 🙏
Thanks a lot, sir.
It’s my pleasure. Glad you found it valuable. 👍
Thanks again- interested in the discord group if still active- please share new link!
Of course. Here is the link. Come in and introduce yourself.
discord.gg/7je68TTZ
“Love, peace and joy cannot flourish until Mind’s dominance is toppled” -Echart Tolle PON
The mind's dominance is toppled? What nonsense. Human nature is mind and body. The mind is the idea of the body and the body is the object of the mind, they work as one unit. Whatsoever affects the body the mind simultaneously observes it, and makes conclusions depending upon its level of knowledge or understanding. The mind is a thinking thing, comprised of clear ideas and confused ideas. You must know the difference. It's the confused thinking that Eckhart Tolle is talking about. The belief in free will is an obstacle to true knowledge.
Thank you.
My pleasure 😀🙏
in how many days do you check mails as you haven't checked yet,? i dont know how to operate discord, can there be any other app?
I always
i want to say one can do it by themselves. Tho I dont believe it to be so if i may say that I am awakened (atleaset more than I was prior) it was because of another person. So i appreciate what Gurdjeff says here.
Is there a way to still join the discord channel?
There is. Send me an email, you can find it in the about page, or in in the video descriptions.
hey can I please get the discord link for the group
Of course. Here you go
discord.gg/FsRyKzFu
Who will join me on this journey
Me 😀🙏
Hmn...I like Eckhart Tolles The Power of Now. ❤
Yes, that’s a great and powerful book to work towards awakening. Did you know we have read it here on the channel?
@@bookclub5291 NO!!!!! I didnt know you read it!! Awesome I like it because it simplifies ( at least 4 me 🙂) 💞💨🙏
dude, thank you!
i feel like i've waken up a week ago and am slipping back into sleep
definately had similar experience like 10 years ago, got pretty scared cause every one i know attacked me and tried to "put me in my lane"
it was right at the start of my career so i think i had no chance of maintaining this state
i noticed it helps tremendously to have no money
would you recommend reading it in russian?
It’s always better in the original language. So if you know Russian then of course. I know what you mean about the people around you. Lucky I was hard headed and lived like a hermit for a few years while I got through much of the transformation , and had a small group of like minded people which helped. 🙏
plz share link again
How can I reach you brother?
You can find my email in the video description.
Did the Group ever take off Lewis ?
Hey Igor, yes it’s active and we have many channels and participants. It has been quite good recently with some new members and the start of the reading of The Tales. Here’s the link again:
discord.gg/f28mket6
@@bookclub5291 Thanks Lewis 👍
Hello I would like to join group
Here you go: discord.gg/xADwH4sZ
Link expired, could you share again please if possible? Thank you😊
Of course. Here you go.
discord.gg/gDXvnVA4
I haven't a clue how to move on by myself.
Come and join our online discord group. There has been some great discussions recently 🙏
discord.gg/z8fUM6bP
Didn’t ouspensky at the end say he didn’t think he had gotten anywhere with his work and findings ? Not that it’s not helpful but am I correct in this conclusion about this man and his work ?
Yes, if you read chapter 18 of In Search of The Miraculous, Ouspensky documents his feelings about the work and Gurdjieff there. You can also read accounts of followers about the time following Ouspensky leaving Gurdjieff.
@@bookclub5291 its interesting to me that he was actually still writing when he had those thoughts i would have thought it was an end of life revelation? thanks for the reply, and thanks for creating content
i now learned the book was collected by his students after his death
Id like to join the group, link has expired
Hi there gareth. Here is the link. Sadly it has gone quiet in the group recently , but I hope your entry can spark some new energy.
discord.gg/4jHAH3C3
it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle. this awakening state cannot be achieved through the mind. and for us to say all we have to do is stop the mind is a joke. however in all this,.....one must never stop trying if the desire is there. that's my 2 cents.
Is the group still running?
It is. Come in and introduce yourself
discord.gg/RSxpAT5C
Do you by any chance familiar with the concept of ramesh balsekae¿
No, I’ve not heard of that. What is it?
@@bookclub5291 u might wanna check that out.its on youtube
I think a group it's a good idea as long people talk about practical personal experience, not books. I love books but I found that's a distraction from the work. It's another identification! It's another look at me I'm more spiritual than you! Ha ha ha !
You have a sweet energy, I guess I'll just have to get used to the voice....!?
Are you forming a group?
We have a discord group if you would like to join.
“ YOU wrote this book. YOU wrote it for yourself to read, as a reminder (to re-member) of what you have forgotten.” Eckhart Tolle I was just going over my notes from the power of now and came across this idea that everything we read towards awakening we wrote to ourselves. This is a mind blowing idea!
There was a movie called memento, and his long-term memory was completely erased, and all he had was five minutes of short term memory, and then so he would not forget again, he tattooed messages all over his body, left himself post it notes, so each time his memory would disappear, he could quickly read the notes and his tattoos to catch up… Perhaps, as we read this book, it would be fun and playful to think that we wrote it to ourselves toremind us to not go back to sleep!
It’s a great idea. I saw the film Momento, but not for many years. Plato also has the idea of remembering, anamnesis. It’s a profound idea! 🙏
Or re mind us how to get out of the coming totalitarianism mass gen o cide
So, who woke ospensky and gurdjieff up?😮
Interesting 🤔
I would argue that Gurdjieff attempted to wake Ouspensky up, and if you read Gurdjieff’s Meetings with Remarkable you will discover His journey. It’s loosely biographical.
bs....true apophasis or epistrophe can ultimately only be achieved on ones own. I suspect gurdj either didnt know this or is meaning to imply a group or mentor is helpful in nudging or revealing the true method of extracting the pure citta through the jhyana or "burning"
Which is more distressing ?
Can't wake up or can't get enough sleep? 😢 Where is the joy ?
आई ऑलवेज लिसन
Definitely getting so much value from this! The online group sounds great. Thank you, cheers
Glad it was helpful! Come and join the group and say hello
discord.gg/WQdkZbhn
Would be interested in Discord group. Is it possible to send a link? Thank you.
Hey there Michael. Sure, it would be good for you to join us. Here is the link, come in and introduce yourself:
discord.gg/RzAy6Ppj
Hey how is the book club going? I am currently attending the online fourth way school but we hardly discuss beelzebubs tales to his grandson and think it could be good to discuss and question with others. Invite please
Yes, it is going well thank you. We do have a Beelzebub channel there for discussion. Come in and introduce yourself.
discord.gg/QQNKbYSZ
Very Intersted please help me to awaken.
I would be happy to help. Send me an email. You can find the address in the channel about page or video description 👍
I would like to join the Gurdjief book club
Yes of course. Here is the link to the discord server. See you there:
discord.gg/PT5VKCZU
Is it the “group thing” still on? ;)
It is yes. Come and join us:
discord.gg/TEk5NG4T
If you are still looking and are dissatisfied with where you are I may be able to help. I have studied Gurdjieff 's teachings for over 40years. As a mentor and coach, I can teach you how to reach the 4th Way.
Good luck in your work as a teacher. I hope those who need additional support find your channel 🙏
@@bookclub5291 thank you so very much. And thank you for sharing your knowledge of "In search of the miraculous by Ouspensky."
Can you please make a new invitation link? I want to check this out! Great video by the way.
Glad you enjoyed the video. Here is the link:
discord.gg/PkyyGAdY
@@bookclub5291 thanks!
I can’t see the link to join a local group. Is there one in Edinburgh and surroundings? Please inform .
Hi there. It’s an online group based on a discord server. I’ll share the link if you are interested.
Online group is good enough. Do you have the link?
😅 May I join the group?
Of course. Here is the link:
discord.gg/WQdkZbhn
So glad I found you:)
Thank you
Me too. Welcome to the Club 😀🙏
This is all about objective truth,
Which means once you have solved the riddle,
You can only exist in that place of objective truth
You dont know every little thing man imagines
But you know what matters and what dont
as the great Nasser Mullah Nadeen would mutter
"you will get the point, when you find that needle in a Haystack"
Well said. Thanks 🙏
Link expired, can I join?
Of course. Here is the link. Come and say hello 🙏
discord.gg/hRyDUum3