Nothing will beat the ambiance of early EPCOT - sitting near the fountain under Spaceship Earth toward closing time on a warm breezy night with that original ambient soundtrack that included snippets of all the experiences and feeling like you were in the future.
@@lemonrealsqueeze6826 Because in the future, (no one knows how distant) any religions will barely exist as we know it, and be replaced most likely by forwarding scientific beliefs based on facts. Humans will be more advanced in their thinking at this point. Jesus would not approve the future, because it goes against the christian business model and hierarchy of many past centuries. Religion mostly divides people across the world and has hindered a large percentage of humanity from collectively seeking truth and higher thinking in general.
Honestly, I like intellectual properties in Epcot. However, they have to be chosen very wisely. The guardians of the galaxy is considered, the best roller coaster-but are the guardians really what Epcot needs? It’s a shame what happened to the festival center. That building with tide everything together. I do like that they’re leaning on retro Epcot for the branding. Seeing the symbols makes me very pleased :)
I feel like they could have had a statue of Walt near the entrance of Epcot and just based it on the famous image of him pointing at the plan for Epcot in the video presentation for the Experimental Prototype Community of Tomorrow, made it seem like he was pointing to the park itself as in this is his vision come to life from the flat map he was pointing at from the video to the park we have today. I feel like that'd be a much better implementation of a Walt Statue in Epcot, just my opinion
The idea that we need some new flat rides for younger kids as well as the hyper immersive thrilling rides is exactly why I defend Baymax’s ride at TDL.
If Disney is truly cancelling the Mary Poppins section at the UK pavillion, I wondee if they'll at least replace it w/an Alice in Wonderland attraction. They could even use some of the elements from the Disneyland version - just change some of the track layout & update skme of the figures.
How about they build a Toad Hall restaurant there. Sort of like the one in Disneyland Paris, but more authentic English cuisine instead of cheap fast food.
@@superlolbrothers6559 - I can easily see a Toad Hall restaurant in the UK Pavillion. Personally, a "Toad's Wild Ride 2.0" would make for an excellent e-ticket attraction
I think a ride similar to Soarin, with seats hanging from umbrellas, and you’re flying through the world of Mary Poppins, the animated scenes, the rooftops, all of it with the music of the original movie, should be what they create in the UK area!
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6:25 has anyone noticed flynn rider and rapunzel in the ride vehicles in that concept art? does this mean something about tangled coming to epcot maybe? or just a cutesy little easter egg?
The biosphere in Montreal was the inspiration behind spaceship earth. As a little girl, every time I saw it and the amusement park beside it I was convinced that it was Disney
If Disney gets rid of the Three Caballeros theming... I'll assume they hate Latinoamerica now. Strangely classic films, both Saludos Amigos and Three Caballeros! Most Latin people I know enjoy it regardless if they live in Latinoamerica, the states, or elsewhere. I guess Coco is popular with Americans, but c'mon... where's the fun in losing your pistol wielding, cigar smoking, girl crazy crew? Plus, the animatronics they added a couple years back are so cute!
I don't think demolishing communicore was a waste of money. You never know if the building had structural issues (think Horizons). They may have done an assessment and determined that what they needed as far as power, space, cooling, tech, etc, would have cost more to retro fit than to tear down and rebuild.
May be an unpopular opinion but putting more 'Disney' in is a bad thing, this was the park you could use to get away from it of find things an older kid would like if they were at the age they weren't so into the animated characters anymore, Maelstrom royally annoyed me as it was a perfect ride for teaching scandinavian lore and now its just another princess attraction (and yes I know its the same track but theme is as big a part as anything)
Dallin, big fan of the channel. I truly applaud your appreciation for old Disney with your research and storytelling. Equally I love to hear your perspective on current and future development or the parks. I have an idea for you ... Grizzly Peak in California adventure could be updated with a new Pixar overlay. The two "Planes" movies would fit perfectly in Grizzly Peak. You rename Grizzly Peak to Piston Peak and develop the existing California theme into the Planes immersive. You remove the stone wolf on the rocks and rebuild it with the Piston landmark. You convert Soaring Around the World to Racing Around the World with Dusty Crophopper, where you visit the different countries and landmarks around the world from the perspective of Dusty and all the friends he makes in his flights. Maybe you even make a fire drop with the smell of pine trees and smoke as you fly through. You keep the Smokejumpers Grill, but theme it to the Honkers bar in 'Fire and Rescue' with themed cocktails. The area in front of Soaring updates to the Piston Peak Air Attack Airport. You convert Refreshment Point to Maru's mechanic shop or MayDay's old firehouse. Add a few characters around the area like Little Dipper, Blade Ranger, Windlifter, Ryker and the Smokejumpers and you have everything you need. The exterior of the Disney Grand Californian Hotel becomes the Fusel Lodge. The theming is a near perfect match to the movie. Just add Cad Spinner, Ol' Jammer and Secretary of the Interior to the entrance of the hotel and the theming is complete. The River Run attraction is kept in place but is rethemed to the river scene in 'Fire and Rescue'. Dusty is forced to land in the water and is at the mercy of the rapids before being rescued by Blade. The Redwood Creek Challenge remains in place, but you update it to become one or more scenes from 'Fire and Rescue'. You create a campsite area with Winnie and Harvey, or a cave exhibit where Dusty and Blade are hiding in the cave from the fire. Make it a rest area for picnics in the woods, and toasting marshmallows around the campfire. If more space is needed, you take out The Little Mermaid and convert that building. You expand with the idea of the airport or a railroad ride through Piston Peak. Possibly as a ride/theme through the valley with more food and drink to take out the back to the Redwood Camp area. Disney is pushing Pixar in California Adventure and Planes is never mentioned. I would love to walk between Cars Land and Planes Land.
The newer Disney CEO's since Eisner had nothing to do with EPCOT's development. And it looks liike they are doing a terrific job destroying it -- turning it into another random park. No inspirational technology, no new ideas. Just consume new IP ride and buy trinkets at the gift shop exit.
I miss Horizons, Universe of Energy, World of Motion, and Journey Into Imagination. They have really destroyed Epcot over the years. Horizons was and always will be my favorite ride.
@Repent and believe in Jesus Christ bro you're literally on a Disney adult RUclips channel. Most of these people probably already love Jesus, idk what you think you're doing
Let's face it. Old epcot would be boring to current day guests. So, it becomes a hard balancing act when it comes to entertaining and educating. Test track and soarin are great examples of how to do that right. However, older rides like spaceship earth and living with the land are considered to be boring to a lot of guests. Certain IP's can work like remy's in france since it draws people towards world showcase. I remember as a kid, epcot was front loaded with attractions in future world. But I always found myself bored in world showcase because of the lack of rides.
I still think the main reason Gran Fiesta Tour hasn't been re-themed to Coco is due to a logistical issue. There just isn't a lot of queue space, which is why there isn't even a Lightning Lane. A Coco re-theme would for sure see heavy demand compared to the current Three Caballeros theme. There also isn't any room for expanding the queue without getting rid of some of the shops that currently exist within the Mexico pavilion, or drastically altering the pavilion to construct an expanded queue.
A CoCo re-theme is such a thoughtless move if it happens. Coco has lost its peak audience, it wouldn’t draw in many people and yeah, the spacing is such a large issue it would hardly even help the parks. Sure, it’d be super cool and I’d ride it a billion times, but it would cost more than it would earn :/
Good, I hope it stays that way, I like the Caballeros being there, the whole point of their little sub-series was _explicitly_ to educate people on the culture and geography of Latin America and to build goodwill with those countries. Plus that attraction is the thing the Caballeros are probably most known for today to the average person, at least, I'm assuming, in the non-Spanish speaking parts of the world; I doubt many people have seen Saludos Amigos or the Three Caballeros, or have tracked down Legend of the Three Caballeros, so this is Jose and Panchito's most public appearance. Put Coco stuff behind Big Thunder Mountain and leave the Caballeros where they are.
I would have loved for Mary Poppins to get a Peter Pan's Flight type ride, where you're flying on a carousel horse going through the ORIGINAL Mary Poppins story
If we can't get a dark ride, I'd make a highly-themed indoor swing ride. It starts as a carousel with horse vehicles (fully enclosed though with seats and lapbars, like Dumbo) that sit on a turntable and are connected to the round overhead canopy with poles. The carousel lights up and music starts, magic happens and the canopy rises slowly and the horses lift off the platform and swing out slightly so vehicles then "fly" lifting into a skydome of projected animation with kites, Mary, and the other characters flying by in sync with the carousel/swings rotation keeping up with you. Make it huge capacity - 4 to a vehicle with 16 vehicles and double it in two identical show buildings like Mission Space or Alien/Stitch Encounter.
@@hanonondricek411 I love that idea - but I also have skeletal issues that means that I cannot ride certain rides and EPCOT already only has 6 attractions that people with spinal cord issues/ some disabilities can ride
It's now less expensive to go to the actual countries than World Showcase. You'll get more science expo in a day trip to the Liberty Science Center. EPCOT was far and away my favourite park before Finding Nemo kicked off the IP overhauls, and nowadays the park truly has nothing to offer that doesn't leave a bad taste in my mouth.
Im just so sad that it’s been so long since a new country has been added to Epcot. Like there’s space and we currently have no South American countries, no Oceania and no sub-Saharan Africa. Like doing a Colombia pavilion with an Encanto ride would be a slam-dunk, placing Moana in a Polynesia pavilion would be great or just in general a Nigeria or South Africa pavilion would be so much fun. As a Brazilian I’d love Brazil but that they have not added almost any countries is disappointing
I’m tired of all the IP I wanna go to Epcot and feel like I’m learning- or maybe even ACTUALLY learn :(( as a kid I always adored that aspect of Epcot. Like maybe Living with the Land is what pushed me towards being in Biotechnology idk bro it certainly put it in my head and made it something I didn’t know before but now I do
Injecting IP into Epcot is like trying to inject pure fantasy into hope. It just clashes... noticeably.... Epcot was about what was possible for humanity to achieve. The Magic Kingdom and the IP's are all about pure fantasy that is outright impossible. The two just don't mix well. The original Journey Into Imagination captured this well: you can imagine anything and use it to create. Hope vs fantasy.
I think the success of the Figment meet and greet might help to determine just how and when they tackle redoing Journey into Imagination, ESPECIALLY with those guests who aren’t locals and annual pass holders. Is it mostly adults stopping by to say hi, or are there a lot of kids getting excited to meet the big purple dragon. It’s the perfect opportunity for market research that’s not labeled as such, since for once there’s Figment but with no physical merchandise involved.
My fear is that they keep on pushing a ride back because they know he's super profitable merch-wise, and they think dangling a carrot on a stick keeps people buying merch. Like, in the sense that a lot of people likely buy Figment merch in the hope that proving that Figment is a profitable I.P. will help convince Disney to invest in a new ride, and those buyers will stop once we get it. If Figment is an "underdog", then fans are pushed to spend more on him to try to change that status.
I just visited EPCOT for the first time a couple months ago, and sorry, but the park is a mess. I like the idea and theme of the park, and it's got a unique character, but the World Showcase is carrying hard. Pretty much everything else is either dated or doesn't really seem to fit. It feels like a park that started with a great idea that Disney lost faith in over the years. I think the new World Celebration will be nice, but they need to do more to fix the park. Less IP. More budget. Build faster. Don't cheap out partway and revert to basically rebuilding what was already there. New/revamped pavilions. Redo the imagination pavilion. Give the Land some updates (the rides work but the building itself is dated). Revert Frozen and Three Caballeros back to their original themes. Don't just hamfist IP to drive attendance. Make it fit. Stay true to the original idea of the park while keeping it new and as timeless as possible. Make it great, not just good. EPCOT probably has the most unrealized potential of any theme park I've ever been to. Bring that out.
Epcot will add every IP to the park except for the one everyone ACTUALLY wants AND makes sense for the park. Coco fits perfectly, implements IP, and STILL makes the park about learning about Mexico, arguably more than the current Three Caballeros since Coco focuses so much on Dios de los Muertos
I think Coco theming-wise would be perfect, the problem comes with the space itself. You KNOW that would be an insanely popular attraction no matter how they implement it, and with insanely popular attraction come insanely long lines and queue spaces required (even with virtual queue). I worry they’d have to gut essentially all of the pyramid to have enough space to house it in, unless they can engineer something in that sized plot of land to add onto it from the outside If they don’t want to spend the money for that, then I fear us losing the inside of the pyramid and one of the most interesting spaces still at Epcot.
I've been saying this for years now!! Coco is a much better fit attraction wise than the three caballeros. The three caballeros ride is fine but it's really outdated. At least a coco ride could be interesting!
@@Blitzjewel I agree, the queue space is the major problem. I’m sure they could come up with something that wouldn’t ruin the interior of the pyramid, but that’s unlikely for this era of Disney
Chances are they’re going to be making a full coco land in the distant future in mk so I don’t think coco should come to Epcot though it does fit the theming perfectly. Idk though maybe I’m just biased towards three caballeros
@@sargentsargento3310 I think Coco will get something major in the near future, they put it in the PhilharMagic show for no real reason besides the fact it’s a beloved movie that made them a ton of money, not saying that’s bad btw, I like it being in PhilharMagic
12:50 i remember this is what Imageworks use to be ... you could go up to the second floor and just sort of hang out and look out over parts of Epcot through that pavilions WITHOUT having to be a DVC member
i don’t think so because they use the food grown there throughout the park. even if they closed the ride the gardens would still be back there, so it would be pointless to shut the ride off.
i know there is pun here but why not use the old Wonders of LIFE pavilion to give LIFE to the idea of a "Horrzons 2.0" sort of attraction. You use the space and bring back a remake/reimagined version of a classic
My problem with newcot is that there are tons of IPs disney could use that actually fit with the epcot theme. Imagine ENCOM sponsoring the tron ride talking about modern computer techonology. Or SFIT sponsoring a big hero 6 ride/innoventions. Litwak arcade chain sponsoring the wreck-it-ralph PLAY pavilion and the history of video games/the internet. Stark industries sponsoring an energy pavilion. BNL corp sponsoring mission:space or even a sustainability pavilion. The list goes on. I don't hate the idea of IPs coming into epcot, but make it make sense with the original theme and purpose of the park. Take the fiction of corporations, and use it to drive real ones to do the right thing.
Mary Poppins could still feature a flat ride if they went w/the omnimover dark ride. Something similar to Journey into Imagination, you could travel to different magical places w/Mary herself - inside a chalk drawing, in the middle of a horse race track, an underwater bathtub, inside a china set, Uncle Albert's house, on the rooftops of London, & the grand finally where you fly a kite - as the wind changes & Mary leaves till next time. Throughout, you hear music from both films, filling each scene. Still an E-ticket attraction & still a flat ride. Make something for everyone - not JUST little children & a carbon copy of an already existing attraction at Magic Kingdom.
I do miss the old 80’s-90’s Epcot while I know we need new rides the rides like Horizon, World of Motion, Maelstrom and the old Journey into Imagination was my favorite rides! I do like Guardians and Remy! But the idea of old Epcot was a learning area for kids and adults alike. But as the time changes so does the parks I will always remember the old Epcot glad they did get rid of Body Wars but liked the idea of the Pavilion could have modernized it😢 RIP Old Epcot! Please Epcot do not change Spaceship Earth and the Land Pavilion they are still 2 of my favs
IDK, is it really a 2.0? If all the plans had gone through, sure. But this feels more like a 1.8 or something! If DCA is the level of a 2.0 overhaul, doesn't seem like Epcot is going to be that thorough. Definite upgrades have gone ahead - if you knew nothing about the announcements and plans, just went to the park, you're gonna be satisfied. It's just knowing what was promised and what was cut that makes it disappointing. But in the end - does that matter? Surely what they should be judged on is what actually gets delivered.
I've only ever visited Epcot during the "dead mall" era of Future World, so this does still seem like a modest step up from that. But they definitely cut most of the overall makeover. Seems like the front half of the park is, for the most part, still a place you go to ride a few E-ticket rides and then pass through to get to World Showcase.
EPCOT is The Ship of Theseus of Disney Parks. It has become unrecognizable from what it started as, but the changes have occurred so slowly and incrementally over the years that it's hard to say when EPCOT stopped being EPCOT. Magic Kingdom still has its core group of attractions intact and in contrast the Studios was completely changed in one fell swoop, but it's difficult to pinpoint a single date when EPCOT changed. You could point to the 1994 name change, but even after that, new attractions at least carried on the park's values even though the experiences had changed. Almost every closure or retheme since World of Motion has felt like the end of EPCOT because each one of those pavilions represented the core of EPCOT's values to someone. Do we count the closure of Ellen's Energy Adventure as the last nail in the coffin for EPCOT's original values? Or does Mission: Space still uphold EPCOT's original values? Does EPCOT still exist as long as Living with the Land exists? It's difficult to say when exactly EPCOT stops being EPCOT. Edit: It was the Fountain of Nations.
Y'all can disagree with me, but EPCOT needs a brazilian pavilion Brazil is a massive country with a freaking rich culture. It would allow the removal of Grand Fiesta Tour from the Mexico area, which would make it possible to replace it for a better attraction. Also, brazilians makes the vast majority of tourists in Orlando annually (based of data and not speculation), besides them having a nice architecture and delicious foods and beverages. There's absolutely no reason for cancelling this project again and again. Make it happen, give Brazil a proper dark ride and a nice land, and thus make room in the mexican pavilion to open a better attraction. Everybody would benefit from a Brazil pavilion, and it would be more than fair to the brazilian tourists who rush into WDW every single year. In Brazil, going to WDW it's one of the biggest goals of many people's lives, and a brazilian pavilion would fit like a glove not only to them, but to EPCOT as a whole.
Something like this would actually have a better message than what they do now: Shoving all spanish speaking countries into Mexico. Yes, it's been around for years, but realisticly it's not the only spanish speaking country. (I don't even think they have Spain now thinking about it) And Brazill and even south america as a whole is vastly different from Centeral America. It would also help teach people why Brazillians are not Mexican. So I fully agree with this statement you made.
Brazil would have to pay for construction and maintenance for 20 years like all the other pavilions have in the past. I’m not sure Brazil would want to do that. They would certainly make some great parades .
1. I agree Living with the Land is the best in Disney. 2. I too think the festival center would have been awesome. 3. Absolutely disagree a tea cup ride would be terrible. A real dark ride is absolutely justified. It does not have to be super high tech but something sorta like Peter Pan. 4. The cafe and shop are soulless. 5. The “core” is stupid. As you said they tore down and rebuilt the same building. Cheaper and lamer. 6. The Play pavilion was a lame idea in that iteration. However I would like to see a new Biology based pavilion. And bring back Elisabeth Shue! :-) ;-) 7. Space 220 is alright. The video is rendered by a computer that was new when Epcot was built. It is terrible and the screens are small. 8. Seth Rogan is going to destroy a Figment movie. Please Disney don’t do it. 9. Yes the entrance is an excellent addition. Good job Disney. 10. I was not impressed with the Skyliner concept. However riding it… it is really nice. I liked it.
I don't even need a Mary Poppins attraction. I mean it would be great to have one, but I just want Cherry Tree Lane so bad. I actually cried when I saw that concept art. I also said they should do carousel over teacups. I figured they were going more Mary Poppins Returns...
For me the only highs would be that Cosmic Rewind and Ratatouille are decent attractions. The lows for me would include atm an underwhelming night show, less detailed theming across pavilions and lands (e. g. France on its own is highly detailed, but Ratatouille’s France is less so), the charm and uniqueness of EPCOT is partially gone (the world showcase is carrying), cheap implementation of IP (Frozen and Beauty and The Beast sing along is a good example, and even tho I do think it’s an ok ride Guardians as well. I’ll wait til Moana opens to judge it then), more emphasis on the Festivals instead of making an effort to expand on and showcase cultures of the world showcase. With all this said, honestly part of me does still enjoy visiting Epcot. It’s not the same charming unique park it once was, and that does sadden me, but at least the world showcase and certain attractions remain. It used to be my favorite Disney World park, but that has since gone to Animal Kingdom. Part of me still hopes Disney can one day bring back the magic of EPCOT.
No one wants a retheme of Spaceship Earth. That’s a classic and no one on the planet is traveling to Epcot solely to ride it. We want new rides. Guardians of the Galaxy is a great new addition.
Sorry not sorry, I’m glad that the sky park festival center got cancelled. It’s a wonderful design but it added to the wrecking of the symmetry of the front of the park. As far as Spaceship Earth and Mary Poppins…after Iger’s comments yesterday about investing $17 billion into WDW I’m still holding out hope for those to happen as well as a proper update and restoration of the Imagination Pavilion and ride. What they SHOULD have done IMO is the CommuniCore West building should have remained and gutted and turned into a festival center. The Journey of Water should have gone inside the Wonders of Life building. That would have been much cheaper for them and having Journey of Water indoors could have allowed them to be much more creative.
oh i miss the old (even say mid 1990's) Epcot .. wish places like the Imagination pavilion + imageworks would be REDONE COMPLETELY with 2023+ tech but the SPIRIT of the old Epcot ... Geography wise (world showcase) and tech/history/science in future world .... made it FUN to learn. Dont get me wrong, i LOVE Spaceship earth still and jokes aside .... Living with the Land is one of my favorites in any Disney park. Also i feel that Horizons being gone too soon ... well if it was around all this time, would some of us love it as much? ... I think so but i think that is a valid question
also ... Communicore/Innoventions was dying for so long ... i didn't want to see it go but dear lord ... i am glad now ... i hated to see it in that state for so long. HELL an idea would have been to make people like me happy and have that space used to have attrractions/whatnot to pay TRIBUTE to classic epcot ... hell have a motion simulator ride that is basically a ride through of Horizons for instance ... why stop there? ... have a few of them used in that space and have World of Motion and other past attractions sort of "ride-able" again
I think I know what the wishing tree was going to be. There is one almost exactly like it in West Palm Beach. It’s called “The Wishing Tree” by Symmetry Labs, and was installed in 2019. It’s pretty impressive in person, especially at night and when synced to music. 11:39
I don't know what EPCOT is about anymore. It seems like a hodgepodge of ideas that depend upon Disney IP, mid-century styles, thrill rides, food festivals and . . . what? The park seems to lack any real identity, which is what DCA is in danger of becoming. I can't honestly say it's the best park at WDW, let alone all of the Disney theme parks.
Mary Poppins was a huge success for the Disney company back in the day and still with the new version of the movie! It pushed the boundaries of storytelling, movie making, animation and special effects! It deserves an attraction. But seeing the filtered proposed attraction concept , it really disappointed me!! I was eager to see Disney Imagineering at their best building a state of the art dark ride for this IP. Still hopeful…! I’m not a big fan of bringing Disney IPs to EPCOT but I thought this might work just fine!
I miss the Epcot that was a kind of permanent World's Fair. The IP based rides like Frozen, Ratatouille and Guardians of the Galaxy belong in the Magic Kingdom, they DON'T belong in Epcot.
Honestly at Epcot I just wish the Imagineers would address the sight lines. Harmonious looked awful in the day, and don't get me wrong, I'm happy they took it out, but the Guardians building sticks out like a sore thumb as well. I wish they could've done anything to the exterior to hide the massive show building better: large trees, dense forest etc. With the Epcot retheme, these were my family's thoughts. Guardians was a decent ride, but it needed to be better still with animatronics and the like. Both my brother and I felt they cheaped out in the middle of constructing that ride, and it makes no sense. The ride cost what? Half a billion. Could've done much better. We both enjoyed the beacons or magic on SSE. It's simple, but well-done. We were not fans of the retheme to the central spine. Yes, I understand people need Starbucks or whatever, but there's literally a frozen coffee stand every 100 feet in Disney. It makes no sense to take half the center of the park and just make it a very large Starbucks. Again. Missed opportunities. I like the Cafe, but it could've been a really neat dining experience with that sort of blueprint. We were not fans that the fountain was removed, but we did like how the entrance was updated. Ratatouille is an OK fit for France and at least it made sense. We would like to see Coco come to Epcot instead of Magic Kingdom because it fits better there. Coco is very much about real Mexican traditions and would be a very decent fit for Epcot. As such, it's also selling the movie short putting it in MK. The film was a bit more than just a mindless IP. We both feel the emphasis on dying, tradition, and religion made it a very fitting attraction for Epcot. That is all part of culture, and Coco portrays culture fairly. Frozen and Moana, for instance, do not. Still not sure why those attractions are in Epcot. There's no educational value there at all. Overall, we were most disappointed in Epcot's direction. It seems like a lost park. Disney would be wise to avoid repeating this mistake by keeping Moana/Zootopia out of Animal Kingdom. At this point Magic Kingdom and Animal Kingdom are the most thematically preserved parks. Please don't ruin them Disney. Change them sure. But just don't plop down random IPs like Epcot. Or if you insist on an IP, can't we just get the Jungle Book, Bambi, etc.? I just don't understand Disney's vision for their parks in the future. It seems like they're lost. It's just frustrating when they have IP that would work in areas and they refuse to use them and they have brand new films they just released and they randomly have attractions. None of their planning makes sense to me.
Epcot is outdated. I feel like only true Disney fans that live in FL enjoy that park. When I worked at WDW lots of people visiting from other countries most of the time say Epcot was boring. They wanna see the characters (Mickey and others). You can see them at Epcot too but inside a boring building or in a corner in one of the pavilions. Not the same that going to MK.
Mary Poppins ride has got to be a animatronic based Dark Ride with scenes from the movie. Nobody wants a stupid indoor flat ride they can stick a flat ride anywhere
in response to 25:00... I do not do flat rides at disney. I see the appeal for kids as part of a holistic experience, but near my house we have an amazing seasonal amusement park filled with flat rides. I can ride the teacups for less than 10 minutes wait. I can ride a generic coaster for less than thirty minutes wait. If I want a flat ride... I'll ride it there. I go to Disney for the immersive e-tickets (As an aside mission space is cool, however I think that is the exception that proves the rule as it takes too much upkeep and is much more tech heavy than a normal flat ride to be at an outdoor seasonal amusement park). Why would I wait 1+ hours for swirling saucers, teacups, flying carpets, etc? At Disney, time is the currency.
Mary Poppins should have been carousel horses on a track that go some distance. Every country in World Showcase should have a ride. Coco should be in the Mexican pavilion
The Epcot overhaul really shows the downfall of Disney. They ride on the fact that they’re an established brand, over promise, and at the end of the day will charge a premium to be disappointed. I have no doubts that even if the pandemic didn’t happen much of they still would have cost cut and only delivered a faction of what was promised.
A Figment movie? Yes please...if it's done well. A Mary Poppins themed carousel? DOUBLE yes please! Always loved the design of those carousel horses in the movie.
Hollywood Studios is the dog shit park. Only 3 decent rides and they always have 120 to 200 minute waits. Narrow pathways throughout, so despite not really drawing good attendance -- it always seems overcrowded. The absolute worst service in their restaurants. No parking lot tram -- yet Magic Kingdom and Animal Kingdom have them. I have an annual pass, but only go to the other 3 parks. Hollywood is easily the worst park. Once they removed the Great Movie Ride -- I was like fuck that, I'm done.
Nothing will beat the ambiance of early EPCOT - sitting near the fountain under Spaceship Earth toward closing time on a warm breezy night with that original ambient soundtrack that included snippets of all the experiences and feeling like you were in the future.
Without Walt to guide Disney, the futurism is dead.
@Repent and believe in Jesus Christ Jesus doesn't like the future though.
Can't forget all the twinkling fiber optic lighting in the ground!!
@@clintwilliams3818 what makes you know that Jesus doesn't????
@@lemonrealsqueeze6826 Because in the future, (no one knows how distant) any religions will barely exist as we know it, and be replaced most likely by forwarding scientific beliefs based on facts. Humans will be more advanced in their thinking at this point. Jesus would not approve the future, because it goes against the christian business model and hierarchy of many past centuries. Religion mostly divides people across the world and has hindered a large percentage of humanity from collectively seeking truth and higher thinking in general.
I would like less IP in Epcot, and more Worlds! Love your idea about a Grand Carousel for Mary Poppins...almost feels like a no brainer...
Yes! No IPs and just worlds like the 90s!
Agreed, More World's Fair less Disney Movie showcase.
Honestly, I like intellectual properties in Epcot. However, they have to be chosen very wisely. The guardians of the galaxy is considered, the best roller coaster-but are the guardians really what Epcot needs?
It’s a shame what happened to the festival center. That building with tide everything together.
I do like that they’re leaning on retro Epcot for the branding. Seeing the symbols makes me very pleased :)
I agree with his idea for the Mary poppin’s area, it’s great!
@@AaronDangerBell I like IP in Epcot when it's used subtly. I think guardians belongs in Epcot.
Bob Chapek brought Dick Van Dyke out to hype up a tea-cup ride. Not even a Carousel, he couldn’t get the BARE MINIMUM right.
Now that Iger is back in power I think we'll see more care given to the attractions in the parks.
@@kdusel1991 Iger is awful. Chapek was the fall guy for a decade of Igers mistakes. All this failure and incompetence was on his watch.
This aged well.
I feel like they could have had a statue of Walt near the entrance of Epcot and just based it on the famous image of him pointing at the plan for Epcot in the video presentation for the Experimental Prototype Community of Tomorrow, made it seem like he was pointing to the park itself as in this is his vision come to life from the flat map he was pointing at from the video to the park we have today. I feel like that'd be a much better implementation of a Walt Statue in Epcot, just my opinion
The idea that we need some new flat rides for younger kids as well as the hyper immersive thrilling rides is exactly why I defend Baymax’s ride at TDL.
Dragging out Dick Van Dyke for just a tea cup ride. Can you imagine that?
I'll give props to Disney for making Space 220 it's own thing rather a restaurant based on a movie IP
If Disney is truly cancelling the Mary Poppins section at the UK pavillion, I wondee if they'll at least replace it w/an Alice in Wonderland attraction. They could even use some of the elements from the Disneyland version - just change some of the track layout & update skme of the figures.
How about they build a Toad Hall restaurant there. Sort of like the one in Disneyland Paris, but more authentic English cuisine instead of cheap fast food.
@@superlolbrothers6559 - I can easily see a Toad Hall restaurant in the UK Pavillion. Personally, a "Toad's Wild Ride 2.0" would make for an excellent e-ticket attraction
I appreciate all the effort you’ve put into these videos. They are super informative and I can’t get enough of them. Keep it up!
I will never forget the loss of the mushroom building, I was so excited for that, such a futuristic looking building
epcot will be saved and solidified when they announce journey into imagination 4.0
Only if they go to version 1.1
I think a ride similar to Soarin, with seats hanging from umbrellas, and you’re flying through the world of Mary Poppins, the animated scenes, the rooftops, all of it with the music of the original movie, should be what they create in the UK area!
Has Guardians ever had a character meet and greet in front like the concept art showed?
12:21 - Something you missed ....there were plans for MULTIPLE night time spectaculars ...that is also not happening.
Just wanna say I’ve been following you for years and I watch your videos and always love them. I love the humor. I love the little hint of Snark. Keep up the great work!
I love teacups. It’s fun and I will continue to force one unfortunate soul to ride with me every time I go to Disney.
No one talks about the pink pathway going!!! Best part for me. Little details.
The highs, Prices. The lows, EVERYTHING else…
6:25 has anyone noticed flynn rider and rapunzel in the ride vehicles in that concept art? does this mean something about tangled coming to epcot maybe? or just a cutesy little easter egg?
The biosphere in Montreal was the inspiration behind spaceship earth. As a little girl, every time I saw it and the amusement park beside it I was convinced that it was Disney
At the 10:02 mark, kinda looks like they painted Adam The Woo into the art at the at right side bottom.
Add more countries
That festival pavilion with the rooftop garden….. it should happen. Talk about futuristic and on theme for the real EPCOT Center.
The burning of Rome smells like the burning of the library of Alexandria?
Wow he did not even mention the Frozen ride haha
If Disney gets rid of the Three Caballeros theming... I'll assume they hate Latinoamerica now. Strangely classic films, both Saludos Amigos and Three Caballeros! Most Latin people I know enjoy it regardless if they live in Latinoamerica, the states, or elsewhere. I guess Coco is popular with Americans, but c'mon... where's the fun in losing your pistol wielding, cigar smoking, girl crazy crew? Plus, the animatronics they added a couple years back are so cute!
I think they should scrap all of this new stuff again and make it an enormous Living with the Land. Thoughts?
I don't think demolishing communicore was a waste of money. You never know if the building had structural issues (think Horizons). They may have done an assessment and determined that what they needed as far as power, space, cooling, tech, etc, would have cost more to retro fit than to tear down and rebuild.
Great video!
May be an unpopular opinion but putting more 'Disney' in is a bad thing, this was the park you could use to get away from it of find things an older kid would like if they were at the age they weren't so into the animated characters anymore, Maelstrom royally annoyed me as it was a perfect ride for teaching scandinavian lore and now its just another princess attraction (and yes I know its the same track but theme is as big a part as anything)
Honestly im glad they didnt change Spaceship Earth.
Dallin, big fan of the channel. I truly applaud your appreciation for old Disney with your research and storytelling. Equally I love to hear your perspective on current and future development or the parks. I have an idea for you ...
Grizzly Peak in California adventure could be updated with a new Pixar overlay. The two "Planes" movies would fit perfectly in Grizzly Peak. You rename Grizzly Peak to Piston Peak and develop the existing California theme into the Planes immersive. You remove the stone wolf on the rocks and rebuild it with the Piston landmark.
You convert Soaring Around the World to Racing Around the World with Dusty Crophopper, where you visit the different countries and landmarks around the world from the perspective of Dusty and all the friends he makes in his flights. Maybe you even make a fire drop with the smell of pine trees and smoke as you fly through.
You keep the Smokejumpers Grill, but theme it to the Honkers bar in 'Fire and Rescue' with themed cocktails. The area in front of Soaring updates to the Piston Peak Air Attack Airport. You convert Refreshment Point to Maru's mechanic shop or MayDay's old firehouse. Add a few characters around the area like Little Dipper, Blade Ranger, Windlifter, Ryker and the Smokejumpers and you have everything you need.
The exterior of the Disney Grand Californian Hotel becomes the Fusel Lodge. The theming is a near perfect match to the movie. Just add Cad Spinner, Ol' Jammer and Secretary of the Interior to the entrance of the hotel and the theming is complete. The River Run attraction is kept in place but is rethemed to the river scene in 'Fire and Rescue'. Dusty is forced to land in the water and is at the mercy of the rapids before being rescued by Blade.
The Redwood Creek Challenge remains in place, but you update it to become one or more scenes from 'Fire and Rescue'. You create a campsite area with Winnie and Harvey, or a cave exhibit where Dusty and Blade are hiding in the cave from the fire. Make it a rest area for picnics in the woods, and toasting marshmallows around the campfire.
If more space is needed, you take out The Little Mermaid and convert that building. You expand with the idea of the airport or a railroad ride through Piston Peak. Possibly as a ride/theme through the valley with more food and drink to take out the back to the Redwood Camp area.
Disney is pushing Pixar in California Adventure and Planes is never mentioned. I would love to walk between Cars Land and Planes Land.
What are you, 7?
The newer Disney CEO's since Eisner had nothing to do with EPCOT's development. And it looks liike they are doing a terrific job destroying it -- turning it into another random park. No inspirational technology, no new ideas. Just consume new IP ride and buy trinkets at the gift shop exit.
No!!! They can’t get rid of Grand Fiesta Tour! Three Caballeros must stay forever!!!
I miss Horizons, Universe of Energy, World of Motion, and Journey Into Imagination. They have really destroyed Epcot over the years. Horizons was and always will be my favorite ride.
I agree with all those! For me, I would add the Jeremy Irons version of Spaceship Earth and El Rio Del Tiempo.
@Repent and believe in Jesus Christ bro you're literally on a Disney adult RUclips channel. Most of these people probably already love Jesus, idk what you think you're doing
this so much
@@niceguy63073 I agree. I do really really like guardians though.
Let's face it. Old epcot would be boring to current day guests. So, it becomes a hard balancing act when it comes to entertaining and educating. Test track and soarin are great examples of how to do that right. However, older rides like spaceship earth and living with the land are considered to be boring to a lot of guests. Certain IP's can work like remy's in france since it draws people towards world showcase. I remember as a kid, epcot was front loaded with attractions in future world. But I always found myself bored in world showcase because of the lack of rides.
I still think the main reason Gran Fiesta Tour hasn't been re-themed to Coco is due to a logistical issue. There just isn't a lot of queue space, which is why there isn't even a Lightning Lane. A Coco re-theme would for sure see heavy demand compared to the current Three Caballeros theme. There also isn't any room for expanding the queue without getting rid of some of the shops that currently exist within the Mexico pavilion, or drastically altering the pavilion to construct an expanded queue.
A CoCo re-theme is such a thoughtless move if it happens. Coco has lost its peak audience, it wouldn’t draw in many people and yeah, the spacing is such a large issue it would hardly even help the parks. Sure, it’d be super cool and I’d ride it a billion times, but it would cost more than it would earn :/
Good, I hope it stays that way, I like the Caballeros being there, the whole point of their little sub-series was _explicitly_ to educate people on the culture and geography of Latin America and to build goodwill with those countries. Plus that attraction is the thing the Caballeros are probably most known for today to the average person, at least, I'm assuming, in the non-Spanish speaking parts of the world; I doubt many people have seen Saludos Amigos or the Three Caballeros, or have tracked down Legend of the Three Caballeros, so this is Jose and Panchito's most public appearance. Put Coco stuff behind Big Thunder Mountain and leave the Caballeros where they are.
@@verdragon5591 I agree the Mexico ride is fine as is and it still features Disney characters.
I would have loved for Mary Poppins to get a Peter Pan's Flight type ride, where you're flying on a carousel horse going through the ORIGINAL Mary Poppins story
That’s what I thought it was going to be 😰 I couldn’t belivr when it turned out to just be teacups
Yesssss thats what I thought too! Less disappointed if it was just tea cups lol
That'd would've been awesome! The teacup idea is so lazy. I really like his idea of a mary poppins area!
If we can't get a dark ride, I'd make a highly-themed indoor swing ride. It starts as a carousel with horse vehicles (fully enclosed though with seats and lapbars, like Dumbo) that sit on a turntable and are connected to the round overhead canopy with poles. The carousel lights up and music starts, magic happens and the canopy rises slowly and the horses lift off the platform and swing out slightly so vehicles then "fly" lifting into a skydome of projected animation with kites, Mary, and the other characters flying by in sync with the carousel/swings rotation keeping up with you. Make it huge capacity - 4 to a vehicle with 16 vehicles and double it in two identical show buildings like Mission Space or Alien/Stitch Encounter.
@@hanonondricek411 I love that idea - but I also have skeletal issues that means that I cannot ride certain rides and EPCOT already only has 6 attractions that people with spinal cord issues/ some disabilities can ride
It's now less expensive to go to the actual countries than World Showcase.
You'll get more science expo in a day trip to the Liberty Science Center.
EPCOT was far and away my favourite park before Finding Nemo kicked off the IP overhauls, and nowadays the park truly has nothing to offer that doesn't leave a bad taste in my mouth.
We need a land pavilion update ASAP! The fact the inside doesn’t have real plants and instead has those glass trees is crazy!
Okay, I could get behind this update. Make the inside of the land pavilion feel like even more of a greenhouse!
“With a perfect vantage point for all our nighttime spectators”
Translation
‘We want to build this to charge people extra to see shows from it’
Im just so sad that it’s been so long since a new country has been added to Epcot. Like there’s space and we currently have no South American countries, no Oceania and no sub-Saharan Africa. Like doing a Colombia pavilion with an Encanto ride would be a slam-dunk, placing Moana in a Polynesia pavilion would be great or just in general a Nigeria or South Africa pavilion would be so much fun. As a Brazilian I’d love Brazil but that they have not added almost any countries is disappointing
I’m tired of all the IP I wanna go to Epcot and feel like I’m learning- or maybe even ACTUALLY learn :(( as a kid I always adored that aspect of Epcot. Like maybe Living with the Land is what pushed me towards being in Biotechnology idk bro it certainly put it in my head and made it something I didn’t know before but now I do
Injecting IP into Epcot is like trying to inject pure fantasy into hope. It just clashes... noticeably.... Epcot was about what was possible for humanity to achieve. The Magic Kingdom and the IP's are all about pure fantasy that is outright impossible. The two just don't mix well. The original Journey Into Imagination captured this well: you can imagine anything and use it to create. Hope vs fantasy.
Watching this video, one gets the idea that modern Disney doesn’t have a clue what they are doing or why they are doing it.
100% The folks in charge aren't Disney fans. They're running the parks like they're in competition with Universal.
The glory days of Epcot are long gone. Sorry to those who never experienced it.
I think the success of the Figment meet and greet might help to determine just how and when they tackle redoing Journey into Imagination, ESPECIALLY with those guests who aren’t locals and annual pass holders. Is it mostly adults stopping by to say hi, or are there a lot of kids getting excited to meet the big purple dragon. It’s the perfect opportunity for market research that’s not labeled as such, since for once there’s Figment but with no physical merchandise involved.
They should just re do the entire ride! It desperately needs an update.
My fear is that they keep on pushing a ride back because they know he's super profitable merch-wise, and they think dangling a carrot on a stick keeps people buying merch. Like, in the sense that a lot of people likely buy Figment merch in the hope that proving that Figment is a profitable I.P. will help convince Disney to invest in a new ride, and those buyers will stop once we get it.
If Figment is an "underdog", then fans are pushed to spend more on him to try to change that status.
I just visited EPCOT for the first time a couple months ago, and sorry, but the park is a mess. I like the idea and theme of the park, and it's got a unique character, but the World Showcase is carrying hard. Pretty much everything else is either dated or doesn't really seem to fit. It feels like a park that started with a great idea that Disney lost faith in over the years.
I think the new World Celebration will be nice, but they need to do more to fix the park. Less IP. More budget. Build faster. Don't cheap out partway and revert to basically rebuilding what was already there. New/revamped pavilions. Redo the imagination pavilion. Give the Land some updates (the rides work but the building itself is dated). Revert Frozen and Three Caballeros back to their original themes. Don't just hamfist IP to drive attendance. Make it fit. Stay true to the original idea of the park while keeping it new and as timeless as possible. Make it great, not just good. EPCOT probably has the most unrealized potential of any theme park I've ever been to. Bring that out.
I love when Disney thinks they can put out weak/bad films announce massive plans for it just for it to flop and they quietly cancel all of their plans
Epcot will add every IP to the park except for the one everyone ACTUALLY wants AND makes sense for the park. Coco fits perfectly, implements IP, and STILL makes the park about learning about Mexico, arguably more than the current Three Caballeros since Coco focuses so much on Dios de los Muertos
I think Coco theming-wise would be perfect, the problem comes with the space itself. You KNOW that would be an insanely popular attraction no matter how they implement it, and with insanely popular attraction come insanely long lines and queue spaces required (even with virtual queue). I worry they’d have to gut essentially all of the pyramid to have enough space to house it in, unless they can engineer something in that sized plot of land to add onto it from the outside If they don’t want to spend the money for that, then I fear us losing the inside of the pyramid and one of the most interesting spaces still at Epcot.
I've been saying this for years now!! Coco is a much better fit attraction wise than the three caballeros. The three caballeros ride is fine but it's really outdated. At least a coco ride could be interesting!
@@Blitzjewel I agree, the queue space is the major problem. I’m sure they could come up with something that wouldn’t ruin the interior of the pyramid, but that’s unlikely for this era of Disney
Chances are they’re going to be making a full coco land in the distant future in mk so I don’t think coco should come to Epcot though it does fit the theming perfectly. Idk though maybe I’m just biased towards three caballeros
@@sargentsargento3310 I think Coco will get something major in the near future, they put it in the PhilharMagic show for no real reason besides the fact it’s a beloved movie that made them a ton of money, not saying that’s bad btw, I like it being in PhilharMagic
12:50 i remember this is what Imageworks use to be ... you could go up to the second floor and just sort of hang out and look out over parts of Epcot through that pavilions WITHOUT having to be a DVC member
If they make EPCOT’s 50th as underwhelming as WDW’s 50th, then I’m just going to assume all hope is lost within the company.
Oo they will make it underwhelming no doubt. You have Iger in charge now again.
It just occurred to me that there may be a day where Living with the Land shuts down. I will riot
i don’t think so because they use the food grown there throughout the park. even if they closed the ride the gardens would still be back there, so it would be pointless to shut the ride off.
Oh my god Dallin posted a 43 minutes video in a Friday, I'm gonna cry
I was so excited when I saw that
Me three!
i know there is pun here but why not use the old Wonders of LIFE pavilion to give LIFE to the idea of a "Horrzons 2.0" sort of attraction. You use the space and bring back a remake/reimagined version of a classic
I love the awkward pause Bob makes after saying Journey of Water obviously expecting applause
My problem with newcot is that there are tons of IPs disney could use that actually fit with the epcot theme. Imagine ENCOM sponsoring the tron ride talking about modern computer techonology. Or SFIT sponsoring a big hero 6 ride/innoventions. Litwak arcade chain sponsoring the wreck-it-ralph PLAY pavilion and the history of video games/the internet. Stark industries sponsoring an energy pavilion. BNL corp sponsoring mission:space or even a sustainability pavilion. The list goes on. I don't hate the idea of IPs coming into epcot, but make it make sense with the original theme and purpose of the park. Take the fiction of corporations, and use it to drive real ones to do the right thing.
Wonder what they are going to do with that million dollar plus flop called harmonious what a waste of time and materials..... Who approved it????
Mary Poppins could still feature a flat ride if they went w/the omnimover dark ride.
Something similar to Journey into Imagination, you could travel to different magical places w/Mary herself - inside a chalk drawing, in the middle of a horse race track, an underwater bathtub, inside a china set, Uncle Albert's house, on the rooftops of London, & the grand finally where you fly a kite - as the wind changes & Mary leaves till next time. Throughout, you hear music from both films, filling each scene.
Still an E-ticket attraction & still a flat ride. Make something for everyone - not JUST little children & a carbon copy of an already existing attraction at Magic Kingdom.
I do miss the old 80’s-90’s Epcot while I know we need new rides the rides like Horizon, World of Motion, Maelstrom and the old Journey into Imagination was my favorite rides! I do like Guardians and Remy! But the idea of old Epcot was a learning area for kids and adults alike. But as the time changes so does the parks I will always remember the old Epcot glad they did get rid of Body Wars but liked the idea of the Pavilion could have modernized it😢 RIP Old Epcot! Please Epcot do not change Spaceship Earth and the Land Pavilion they are still 2 of my favs
IDK, is it really a 2.0? If all the plans had gone through, sure. But this feels more like a 1.8 or something! If DCA is the level of a 2.0 overhaul, doesn't seem like Epcot is going to be that thorough. Definite upgrades have gone ahead - if you knew nothing about the announcements and plans, just went to the park, you're gonna be satisfied. It's just knowing what was promised and what was cut that makes it disappointing. But in the end - does that matter? Surely what they should be judged on is what actually gets delivered.
3:32 I saw that Jean Lafitte, you can’t hide from me!
I want to see Brazil and India pavilions.
I've only ever visited Epcot during the "dead mall" era of Future World, so this does still seem like a modest step up from that. But they definitely cut most of the overall makeover. Seems like the front half of the park is, for the most part, still a place you go to ride a few E-ticket rides and then pass through to get to World Showcase.
EPCOT is The Ship of Theseus of Disney Parks.
It has become unrecognizable from what it started as, but the changes have occurred so slowly and incrementally over the years that it's hard to say when EPCOT stopped being EPCOT. Magic Kingdom still has its core group of attractions intact and in contrast the Studios was completely changed in one fell swoop, but it's difficult to pinpoint a single date when EPCOT changed. You could point to the 1994 name change, but even after that, new attractions at least carried on the park's values even though the experiences had changed. Almost every closure or retheme since World of Motion has felt like the end of EPCOT because each one of those pavilions represented the core of EPCOT's values to someone. Do we count the closure of Ellen's Energy Adventure as the last nail in the coffin for EPCOT's original values? Or does Mission: Space still uphold EPCOT's original values? Does EPCOT still exist as long as Living with the Land exists? It's difficult to say when exactly EPCOT stops being EPCOT.
Edit: It was the Fountain of Nations.
Epcot stopped being Epcot sometime between Horizons closing, Figment 2 opening and Nemo being shoved in the Seas
Y'all can disagree with me, but EPCOT needs a brazilian pavilion
Brazil is a massive country with a freaking rich culture. It would allow the removal of Grand Fiesta Tour from the Mexico area, which would make it possible to replace it for a better attraction. Also, brazilians makes the vast majority of tourists in Orlando annually (based of data and not speculation), besides them having a nice architecture and delicious foods and beverages. There's absolutely no reason for cancelling this project again and again. Make it happen, give Brazil a proper dark ride and a nice land, and thus make room in the mexican pavilion to open a better attraction. Everybody would benefit from a Brazil pavilion, and it would be more than fair to the brazilian tourists who rush into WDW every single year. In Brazil, going to WDW it's one of the biggest goals of many people's lives, and a brazilian pavilion would fit like a glove not only to them, but to EPCOT as a whole.
More country pavilions is exactly what EPCOT needs
Something like this would actually have a better message than what they do now: Shoving all spanish speaking countries into Mexico. Yes, it's been around for years, but realisticly it's not the only spanish speaking country. (I don't even think they have Spain now thinking about it) And Brazill and even south america as a whole is vastly different from Centeral America. It would also help teach people why Brazillians are not Mexican. So I fully agree with this statement you made.
Brazil would have to pay for construction and maintenance for 20 years like all the other pavilions have in the past. I’m not sure Brazil would want to do that. They would certainly make some great parades .
@@dougmartin7129 Brazil would 110% want to do that, I can assure you
Replace mexico hell no
Not gonna lie I miss abandoned 80s shopping mall Epcot.
We want more countries and maelstrom back!
It would be cool if they used a rethemed Luigi's roadsters for the Mary Poppins flat ride instead of the Tea Cups.
The SSE redo getting nuked was FANTASTIC. Imagine those AAs getting ripped out under Chapek
1. I agree Living with the Land is the best in Disney.
2. I too think the festival center would have been awesome.
3. Absolutely disagree a tea cup ride would be terrible. A real dark ride is absolutely justified. It does not have to be super high tech but something sorta like Peter Pan.
4. The cafe and shop are soulless.
5. The “core” is stupid. As you said they tore down and rebuilt the same building. Cheaper and lamer.
6. The Play pavilion was a lame idea in that iteration. However I would like to see a new Biology based pavilion. And bring back Elisabeth Shue! :-) ;-)
7. Space 220 is alright. The video is rendered by a computer that was new when Epcot was built. It is terrible and the screens are small.
8. Seth Rogan is going to destroy a Figment movie. Please Disney don’t do it.
9. Yes the entrance is an excellent addition. Good job Disney.
10. I was not impressed with the Skyliner concept. However riding it… it is really nice. I liked it.
I wish they update my favorite ride (spaceship earth). both carousel of progress and this ride just needs some tlc 😢.
I don't even need a Mary Poppins attraction. I mean it would be great to have one, but I just want Cherry Tree Lane so bad. I actually cried when I saw that concept art. I also said they should do carousel over teacups. I figured they were going more Mary Poppins Returns...
For me the only highs would be that Cosmic Rewind and Ratatouille are decent attractions. The lows for me would include atm an underwhelming night show, less detailed theming across pavilions and lands (e. g. France on its own is highly detailed, but Ratatouille’s France is less so), the charm and uniqueness of EPCOT is partially gone (the world showcase is carrying), cheap implementation of IP (Frozen and Beauty and The Beast sing along is a good example, and even tho I do think it’s an ok ride Guardians as well. I’ll wait til Moana opens to judge it then), more emphasis on the Festivals instead of making an effort to expand on and showcase cultures of the world showcase.
With all this said, honestly part of me does still enjoy visiting Epcot. It’s not the same charming unique park it once was, and that does sadden me, but at least the world showcase and certain attractions remain. It used to be my favorite Disney World park, but that has since gone to Animal Kingdom. Part of me still hopes Disney can one day bring back the magic of EPCOT.
At this point since Bob Igar is back as CEO im taking a grain of salt any decision that was made since his exit 🤣
No one wants a retheme of Spaceship Earth. That’s a classic and no one on the planet is traveling to Epcot solely to ride it. We want new rides. Guardians of the Galaxy is a great new addition.
Sorry not sorry, I’m glad that the sky park festival center got cancelled. It’s a wonderful design but it added to the wrecking of the symmetry of the front of the park. As far as Spaceship Earth and Mary Poppins…after Iger’s comments yesterday about investing $17 billion into WDW I’m still holding out hope for those to happen as well as a proper update and restoration of the Imagination Pavilion and ride.
What they SHOULD have done IMO is the CommuniCore West building should have remained and gutted and turned into a festival center. The Journey of Water should have gone inside the Wonders of Life building. That would have been much cheaper for them and having Journey of Water indoors could have allowed them to be much more creative.
pls do longer videos like this if possible! I really enjoyed it
Can't imagine what woke garbage Disney would ruin the ball with
oh i miss the old (even say mid 1990's) Epcot .. wish places like the Imagination pavilion + imageworks would be REDONE COMPLETELY with 2023+ tech but the SPIRIT of the old Epcot ... Geography wise (world showcase) and tech/history/science in future world .... made it FUN to learn.
Dont get me wrong, i LOVE Spaceship earth still and jokes aside .... Living with the Land is one of my favorites in any Disney park. Also i feel that Horizons being gone too soon ... well if it was around all this time, would some of us love it as much? ... I think so but i think that is a valid question
also ... Communicore/Innoventions was dying for so long ... i didn't want to see it go but dear lord ... i am glad now ... i hated to see it in that state for so long. HELL an idea would have been to make people like me happy and have that space used to have attrractions/whatnot to pay TRIBUTE to classic epcot ... hell have a motion simulator ride that is basically a ride through of Horizons for instance ... why stop there? ... have a few of them used in that space and have World of Motion and other past attractions sort of "ride-able" again
oh boy that "leave a legacy" stuff looked bad ... the overhaul i think looks good
i miss the fountain of nations honestly
I think I know what the wishing tree was going to be. There is one almost exactly like it in West Palm Beach. It’s called “The Wishing Tree” by Symmetry Labs, and was installed in 2019. It’s pretty impressive in person, especially at night and when synced to music.
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I don't know what EPCOT is about anymore. It seems like a hodgepodge of ideas that depend upon Disney IP, mid-century styles, thrill rides, food festivals and . . . what? The park seems to lack any real identity, which is what DCA is in danger of becoming. I can't honestly say it's the best park at WDW, let alone all of the Disney theme parks.
I have never been to EPCOT, but your videos make me feel like its in my backyard.
Mary Poppins was a huge success for the Disney company back in the day and still with the new version of the movie! It pushed the boundaries of storytelling, movie making, animation and special effects! It deserves an attraction. But seeing the filtered proposed attraction concept , it really disappointed me!! I was eager to see Disney Imagineering at their best building a state of the art dark ride for this IP. Still hopeful…! I’m not a big fan of bringing Disney IPs to EPCOT but I thought this might work just fine!
The only change to spaceship earth should be the very top that's currently empty and pitch black and maybe smoother ride vehicles. That's it
I miss the Epcot that was a kind of permanent World's Fair. The IP based rides like Frozen, Ratatouille and Guardians of the Galaxy belong in the Magic Kingdom, they DON'T belong in Epcot.
Honestly at Epcot I just wish the Imagineers would address the sight lines. Harmonious looked awful in the day, and don't get me wrong, I'm happy they took it out, but the Guardians building sticks out like a sore thumb as well. I wish they could've done anything to the exterior to hide the massive show building better: large trees, dense forest etc.
With the Epcot retheme, these were my family's thoughts. Guardians was a decent ride, but it needed to be better still with animatronics and the like. Both my brother and I felt they cheaped out in the middle of constructing that ride, and it makes no sense. The ride cost what? Half a billion. Could've done much better.
We both enjoyed the beacons or magic on SSE. It's simple, but well-done. We were not fans of the retheme to the central spine. Yes, I understand people need Starbucks or whatever, but there's literally a frozen coffee stand every 100 feet in Disney. It makes no sense to take half the center of the park and just make it a very large Starbucks. Again. Missed opportunities. I like the Cafe, but it could've been a really neat dining experience with that sort of blueprint.
We were not fans that the fountain was removed, but we did like how the entrance was updated. Ratatouille is an OK fit for France and at least it made sense. We would like to see Coco come to Epcot instead of Magic Kingdom because it fits better there. Coco is very much about real Mexican traditions and would be a very decent fit for Epcot. As such, it's also selling the movie short putting it in MK. The film was a bit more than just a mindless IP. We both feel the emphasis on dying, tradition, and religion made it a very fitting attraction for Epcot. That is all part of culture, and Coco portrays culture fairly. Frozen and Moana, for instance, do not. Still not sure why those attractions are in Epcot. There's no educational value there at all.
Overall, we were most disappointed in Epcot's direction. It seems like a lost park. Disney would be wise to avoid repeating this mistake by keeping Moana/Zootopia out of Animal Kingdom. At this point Magic Kingdom and Animal Kingdom are the most thematically preserved parks. Please don't ruin them Disney. Change them sure. But just don't plop down random IPs like Epcot. Or if you insist on an IP, can't we just get the Jungle Book, Bambi, etc.? I just don't understand Disney's vision for their parks in the future. It seems like they're lost. It's just frustrating when they have IP that would work in areas and they refuse to use them and they have brand new films they just released and they randomly have attractions. None of their planning makes sense to me.
Epcot is outdated. I feel like only true Disney fans that live in FL enjoy that park. When I worked at WDW lots of people visiting from other countries most of the time say Epcot was boring. They wanna see the characters (Mickey and others). You can see them at Epcot too but inside a boring building or in a corner in one of the pavilions. Not the same that going to MK.
Mary Poppins ride has got to be a animatronic based Dark Ride with scenes from the movie. Nobody wants a stupid indoor flat ride they can stick a flat ride anywhere
in response to 25:00... I do not do flat rides at disney. I see the appeal for kids as part of a holistic experience, but near my house we have an amazing seasonal amusement park filled with flat rides. I can ride the teacups for less than 10 minutes wait. I can ride a generic coaster for less than thirty minutes wait. If I want a flat ride... I'll ride it there. I go to Disney for the immersive e-tickets (As an aside mission space is cool, however I think that is the exception that proves the rule as it takes too much upkeep and is much more tech heavy than a normal flat ride to be at an outdoor seasonal amusement park). Why would I wait 1+ hours for swirling saucers, teacups, flying carpets, etc? At Disney, time is the currency.
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Mary Poppins should have been carousel horses on a track that go some distance.
Every country in World Showcase should have a ride.
Coco should be in the Mexican pavilion
The Epcot overhaul really shows the downfall of Disney. They ride on the fact that they’re an established brand, over promise, and at the end of the day will charge a premium to be disappointed. I have no doubts that even if the pandemic didn’t happen much of they still would have cost cut and only delivered a faction of what was promised.
I think Disney should go back to the original Walt vision. Epcot 2030 would privide a working and living paradise
Seems like all they want is a festival area because that’s where they make their most money
Unfortunately the Covid Pandemic is to blame for the slow progress and cancelled projects
A Figment movie? Yes please...if it's done well. A Mary Poppins themed carousel? DOUBLE yes please! Always loved the design of those carousel horses in the movie.
For me Epcot is the weakest park, unless you want to go to eat and drink. It’s a shame because it has so much potential.
Hollywood Studios is the dog shit park. Only 3 decent rides and they always have 120 to 200 minute waits. Narrow pathways throughout, so despite not really drawing good attendance -- it always seems overcrowded. The absolute worst service in their restaurants. No parking lot tram -- yet Magic Kingdom and Animal Kingdom have them. I have an annual pass, but only go to the other 3 parks. Hollywood is easily the worst park. Once they removed the Great Movie Ride -- I was like fuck that, I'm done.
The entrance to epcot isn't really new they just brought back a slightly new spin on the original entrance.
At one time the Epcot was located away from all other buildings in its own world.
I miss the old Mexico ride...when it was about Mexican history...
Epcot is the least best park at WDW.
Hollywood Studios is way worse than Epcot.
@@LakeHowellDigitalVideo I don’t think so. It’s pretty bad don’t get me wrong