I have a huge fondness for the trend to have all kinds of activities scaled down for use in your own parlour, back in those days you had anything from steam engines to small nuclear reactors ...
I wonder how many kids shot each other with these 4mm bullets kind of like a hard core airsoft we shot each other with bb and pellet guns when I was young surprisingly the worst injury other than still having some pellets inside our skin in places is one kid got his tooth shot out
I remember adsin the American Rifleman in the 1960's for 4mm kits for 98mausers and Lugers. Cost more than a 98k, about what an Interarms mismatched Luger cost.
The 4mm-rounds were mostly used for cheap training purposes. Due to the fact that the 4mm-M20-round has actually a 4,3 mm ball, compressed in a slighty smaller bore, you need a longer barrel to stabilize the projectile for acceptable accuracy.
The longer barrel might also be a visual indicator that the gun uis set up to fire a 4mm cartridge, so the user wouldn't accidentally fire a full sized one with that barrel. I imagine that would be a disaster.
I was looking at the comments just to say something about what is done to keep the user from accidentally firing a full cartridge. I guess that's what was done.
The renaissance of these kind of guns in the 70's in Germany, you spoke of, was owed to the fact that german gun laws didn't distinguish between fire arms and air guns at that time. Those days guns were free to purchase as long as the muzzle energy didn't reach more than 7,5 joules. But due to the fact that these rounds (and also the more common rimfire 4 mm long with ball nr. 7) delivers more energy these guns had venting holes right in front of the chamber to decrease the bullet's speed. The conversion kit you showed was already restricted at that time. As I know, they were never sold in an unrestricted version, because it was pretty easy to get a permission when you were already owning a “real“ gun. Unfortunately most owners of the unrestricted and undocumented guns didn't do the paperwork after gun laws had changed in 1976, and so most of them disappeared in illegality. It would be nice if you would make a film on these very rare kind of guns - especially on the high quality copies of colt-saa-revolvers from that time.
Thanks for your sharins. I did not know anything about this matter, despite of being in Europe. I like to know how things were here, even before I was around. ❤❤❤
BTW, some Zimmerstutzen (that basically just means "room-gun", btw) are still legal/unregulated in Germany, but only purpose-built breechloaders. What's changed is that these conversion kits simply count as regular firearms, because they can be converted so easily.
Funny how most anything converted to the German language sounds vaguely like something you would pick up at a bakery to go with a morning coffee... "say, we have some freshly baked Zimmerstutzen today, right out of the stone oven".
@@fmhummel sad, but true. Firearms have a loooong tradition here, but no one remember. Suhl and Essen were leaders in firearm production for centuries! And today we could persuade people to think, Zimmerstutzen is something to eat...
"Stutzen" is a somewhat* old term, used for crude-looking guns, short barrel issues by amateur gunsmiths, plunderbuss hunting-rifles, mini-cannons, handheld arquebusses a.s.f.-a.s.o.The whole naming as "Zimmerstutzen" (chamber-carbine) is perfectly chosen to circumvent existing gun-laws in the german realms using the ever so convincing language of "legalese". *going back to "Stumpf" (engl.: 'stump', low-german: 'Stump' - haha...)
Hey Ian! Historian from German here with large access to public as well as privately/family owned documents, period pictures etc. of any gun no matter how rare and unusual, from the creators or documents from the german and austrian military between 1890-1945 relating to experiences with certain weaponry (whether in military combat, anti-partisan warfare, training or other whatever else), let me know and i contact you via e-mail. Because this video reminds me of certain military documents + photography as well as private and company documents mentioning these conversions. One example i'm not 100% sure is about 4mm conversions but about some type of conversion i glossed over being a case about how apparently some german soldiers while stationed in Belgium, somehow got a hold of such conversions they used for Rats and Sport. Their superiors were not happy about this. This includes pictures of the guns after being taken away from the Soldiers by the police responsible for the area. Prost from Bavaria!
@@choosetheright8654 You mean the Hellriegel i assume. I have access to the personal documents of one of the Waffenmeister who got to test it. Those are over 60 pages of which 14 are handwritten private documents and the rest official documents written by him regarding his personal opinions, issues he expects, issues he experienced during testing and the personal opinion of what he would have changed. Since there were 13 different Waffenmeister who got to test it, it's likely that the documents of the other 12 still exist in their families or somewhere else, No idea if Ian has access to the testing documents of any of the other ones, but i'd sure share Scans of the ones i have access to which are still part of that Waffenmeisters family estate and translate them Regarding pictures, that Waffenmeister has 5 pictures from his personal photo album i got access too, besides those I do have the known and published pictures of it being tested of which some are on Wikipedia as well.
@@chartreux1532 please for the love of God scan everything. Everything and post it online. This stuff needs to be public knowledge. Just look at the dude in France who had all sorts of military documents. He died and his family threw them away. Then another guy here in the US had a massive collection until his house burned down
4 mm kits were once relatively popular here in northern europe, it's still not that uncommon to run across them in the second hand market. The longer barrel might have been to further reduce the sound a bit.
Different barrel lengths would make it easier to ascertain which one was installed, making it less likely someone would try to fire a .32acp in the 4mm barrel.
The rifling is quite interesting. It looks like is has about 12 grooves, with quite a fast twist as well. It's almost like the inside of an artillery piece.
Just a note on the barrel length: If I were an industrial designer I would want a strong visual indicator of whether the 4mm barrel was installed. Having a longer barrel length than would be practical for pocket carry seems like a good idea in that instance.
Maybe the barrel is longer to make the gun quieter? Pretty important indoors. And I imagine that if bringing the front sight farther forward was the only reason, the barrel wouldn't continue so much past it.
I think the main advantage of the longer barrel is that everyone in the family (and the neighbours) can see that junior isn't equipped to fire full-power ammunition. Someone tried selling little revolvers chambered for the 4mm cartridges in the UK and got away with it, for a while, until he encountered a London policeman who knew the legal concession was limited to West Germany. I don't think it was ever legal in the East? The claim was that since the revolvers were gold-plated, they were jewelry!
Not only is it a very simple, convenient, concise swap, but it's functionally as good as the base firearm in standard use, if not better, when you consider how accurate the 4mm likely is with the tight component fit up, such aggressive rifling, and that long barrel. Typically, mechanical conversions tend to be just massively over-engineered with lots of high high cost machining of parts which just kills both the MSRP and the margins(see: just about any engine swap kit for any car ever, that will never be a big revenue generating venture no matter how cool V8 powered Miatas are), or they're very budget, simple designs at the cost of very loose tolerances, since tighter tolerances = higher cost. Rarely it seems that someone just gets it 'right' and is able to strike that difficult balance of simplicity, low cost, and high build quality/tight tolerances, but it seems that this would be one such example, no doubt! Glad I'm not the only one geeking out over the elegantly simple engineering here!
I love quirky things like this! It just makes me smile when I think of a group of bowler hat wearing moustached men plinking away in the parlour and a very disgruntled house keeper tutting as vases get smashed lol
Different barrel lengths would make it easier to ascertain which one was installed, making it less likely someone would try to fire a .32acp in the 4mm barrel.
I look forward to a video on this Mauser pistol. I have one that I took in trade for upgrading an AR15 for a friend. Interesting video on this conversion kit.
It’s kind of funny that with all I’ve done on my, our, proprietary hot rod barrel burning, bullet dragging, long range magnum cartridges (lol). I have always loved the concept of parlor guns. I love the old full size target looking parlor rifles. They have a little pop out 6 inch barrel in 22 short at the muzzle end of the barrel. They look and feel just like those beautiful ornate target rifles of the 1800’s, but fire 22 shorts. And of course all of the full size target pistols that function the same way. Maybe it’s the connection of my childhood and all the fun I had with our numerous 22’s, but I really love shooting small bore firearms.
Sweden army had a similar system for the SMG kpist m45. Called roomammo (kammarammo). You used it on indoor shooting ranges with scaledown tragets. Also a 22lr set for the swedish g3/ak4 was used for training.
Popular Machanics did an how to make and shoot wax rounds from primed only cartridge for indoor fun, back in the 70s. We did it until mum found the holes from the misses.
i remember that article. damn, we're old. when i had a .357, i used the paraffin blocks for sealing jelly jars, and just pressed a case into the block to make cheap target ammo. wax or not, i wouldn't want to get shot by one at close range.
How awesome I have one of these pistols but didn't know about it. I need to get me one. Maybe try using a small flashlight from behind when showing the rifling it should help
We did something similar at carnival shooting galleries using 22 Short in 22 rifles where the magazine was a separate tube the entire length of the barrel I think it gave you about 15 shots. Quick reloading was done by preloading 22 shorts into soda straws . Open up the loading hatch , bite off the end of the straw and pour the bullets in . Not very loud but fun. Anyone else remember these ?
I imagine the longer barrel is for higher muzzle velocity, being an already weak cartridge it could use the advantage especially for better accuracy and overall consistency.
My grandfather owned an old 1910 or 1914 32 that ended up in my great great grandfather's hands during WW2 in Nordreisa, Norway. It had the falcon and swastika stamped on the gun and holster. It may have been used during the war at some point. Either by germans or resistance fighters in Norway.
The longer barrel is probably severves a few purposes, but I was thinking it's so you don't get your calibers mixed up. The longer barrel makes it so it won't fit in your everyday carry holster unless you made it to accommodate both barrel lengths. It'd be a pretty crappy day if you came across the moment you actually needed your sidearm and it was chambered for a far insufficient caliber.
With a 7 gr. bullet I imagine it would be significantly less powerful than the 18-20 gr. flobert or cb which are usually going about 7-800 fps which is like 20-30 ft lbs or around 30ish joules, versus the 8 or so joules the 4mm cartridge produced. So, weaker than a .177 cal pellet rifle, and significantly weaker than a .22 cb
No a 32 acp. couldn't chamber in a 4mm, because a 32acp. equals 7,65mm. The cartdridge would be 3mm bigger than the chamber. I hope i could help you out.
When Germans say "Kleinkaliber" (small caliber) this is generally what they mean not 22 short or lr. My grandad in Germany had a 4mm revolver, we'd used to shot from the porch at beercaps that he'd placed on grans flowerbed about 10 meters away, that little long barreld revolver was really accurate! Just around the time I turned 18 they changed the law and you could no longer buy one of them without a licence.
Had a thought that the longer 4mm barrel is to give you a visual clue that you have the wrong barrel on the gun for 32acp and/or maybe even make it impossible to put it into it's holster for the same reason.
Looks like you could even fit a longer 4mm inside that 32. ACP dummy cartridge if you wanted to. ...y'know, if you want to use 4mm magnum or something.
Interesting, how these "cartridges" are made? Considering there's only primer there one would expect for the cartridge to detonate if you push the ball in too tight.
Too bad the Lead styphnate in the priming compounds makes "gallery/parlor" shooting a hazardous/toxic experience and is now frowned on (rightly so). I always dream up little guns using primer powered cartridges for gallery type fun shooting.
Modern air pistols are either cheap, fairly accurate replicas of typical handguns (co2 powered) or staggeringly accurate, not so cheap target pistols (usually nitrogen powered I believe). Either would be a lot of fun and very capable of this kind of shooting. Do be careful if you do this, they are still capable of causing serious injury.
Hey JP Stone, I think you're wrong but also, he didn't mean because of global warming, it's because lead styphnate is directly toxic to humans and shooting off a bunch of primers without proper ventilation isn't a great idea. Feel free to try it if you don't believe me though.
I love anything smaller than a 17 cal. I want a 10 caliber (2.5mm) spitzer at 2500 fps for target practice. Even smaller would be nice, only if it was as accurate.
Well I'm definitely interested in the Mauser 1914 but I have no interest in anything in 4 millimeter....... However the pistol in its original form seems like a good pocket pistol........ Of course I'm American so what do I know?
Just on a lark I went looking a while back at just where airgun technology was these days, and I found a .50cal with more energy than a .357mag. You get two shots out of a paintball canister.
I dont know if this is more powerful than every pellet gun as mine will drive a .22 to over 1000 per second, and no its not some crazy air pneumatic contraption its a simple pump gun
I have a huge fondness for the trend to have all kinds of activities scaled down for use in your own parlour, back in those days you had anything from steam engines to small nuclear reactors ...
I mean if i had a mansion i can assure you there would be a shooting parlor complete with retro design, drink, and a vintage 22 short slide rifle
I wonder how many kids shot each other with these 4mm bullets kind of like a hard core airsoft we shot each other with bb and pellet guns when I was young surprisingly the worst injury other than still having some pellets inside our skin in places is one kid got his tooth shot out
I like that idea. I like it a lot actually now I wish these kinds of kits would become really popular in the states
I remember adsin the American Rifleman in the 1960's for 4mm kits for 98mausers and Lugers. Cost more than a 98k, about what an Interarms mismatched Luger cost.
The length of the barrel also helps to quickly identify what barrel you have on there so you don't accidentally try to use the wrong cartridge
good point
That makes sense. Shooting a big bullet through a small barrel is going to give you a bad time.
The 4mm-rounds were mostly used for cheap training purposes. Due to the fact that the 4mm-M20-round has actually a 4,3 mm ball, compressed in a slighty smaller bore, you need a longer barrel to stabilize the projectile for acceptable accuracy.
First ever squeeze bore pistol.
Perfect for shooting the ornaments off the Christmas tree.
uncle chuckie ! good to see you here
@Victor Korgoth on or off?
The longer barrel might also be a visual indicator that the gun uis set up to fire a 4mm cartridge, so the user wouldn't accidentally fire a full sized one with that barrel. I imagine that would be a disaster.
I was looking at the comments just to say something about what is done to keep the user from accidentally firing a full cartridge. I guess that's what was done.
The case head of the insert is the same, but they should have made the chambers incompatible somewhere.
Highly doubtful. More likely it's to add velocity without adding charge.
I read the title as 40mm and was like, “Huh. That kraut space magic is neat.”
The only 40mm you can use indoors is made by Nerf.
Well you could use a 40mm grenade launcher but you wouldn't be inside anymore (in more ways than one)
airsoft 40mm GL's with powder markers are pretty great.
Maybe it's like OJ Simspon's gun in Naked Gun 2 1/2 that starts had a Desert Eagle and becomes a Bofors by the end
@@moosemaimer You can use any 40mm shell indoors, once. Then the indoors has become outdoors and you've lost your hearing.
The renaissance of these kind of guns in the 70's in Germany, you spoke of, was owed to the fact that german gun laws didn't distinguish between fire arms and air guns at that time. Those days guns were free to purchase as long as the muzzle energy didn't reach more than 7,5 joules. But due to the fact that these rounds (and also the more common rimfire 4 mm long with ball nr. 7) delivers more energy these guns had venting holes right in front of the chamber to decrease the bullet's speed. The conversion kit you showed was already restricted at that time. As I know, they were never sold in an unrestricted version, because it was pretty easy to get a permission when you were already owning a “real“ gun. Unfortunately most owners of the unrestricted and undocumented guns didn't do the paperwork after gun laws had changed in 1976, and so most of them disappeared in illegality.
It would be nice if you would make a film on these very rare kind of guns - especially on the high quality copies of colt-saa-revolvers from that time.
Thanks for your sharins. I did not know anything about this matter, despite of being in Europe. I like to know how things were here, even before I was around. ❤❤❤
BTW, some Zimmerstutzen (that basically just means "room-gun", btw) are still legal/unregulated in Germany, but only purpose-built breechloaders. What's changed is that these conversion kits simply count as regular firearms, because they can be converted so easily.
Funny how most anything converted to the German language sounds vaguely like something you would pick up at a bakery to go with a morning coffee... "say, we have some freshly baked Zimmerstutzen today, right out of the stone oven".
@@stoneblue1795 cool, never thought about it, but there are many german bakerys in america.
Freshly baked Regenrinnen, Winterreifen, Ladekabel etc
I think you could even persuade a German native that Zimmerstutzen is some kind of bread.
@@fmhummel sad, but true. Firearms have a loooong tradition here, but no one remember. Suhl and Essen were leaders in firearm production for centuries!
And today we could persuade people to think, Zimmerstutzen is something to eat...
"Stutzen" is a somewhat* old term, used for crude-looking guns, short barrel issues by amateur gunsmiths, plunderbuss hunting-rifles, mini-cannons, handheld arquebusses a.s.f.-a.s.o.The whole naming as "Zimmerstutzen" (chamber-carbine) is perfectly chosen to circumvent existing gun-laws in the german realms using the ever so convincing language of "legalese".
*going back to "Stumpf" (engl.: 'stump', low-german: 'Stump' - haha...)
Hey Ian! Historian from German here with large access to public as well as privately/family owned documents, period pictures etc. of any gun no matter how rare and unusual, from the creators or documents from the german and austrian military between 1890-1945 relating to experiences with certain weaponry (whether in military combat, anti-partisan warfare, training or other whatever else), let me know and i contact you via e-mail.
Because this video reminds me of certain military documents + photography as well as private and company documents mentioning these conversions.
One example i'm not 100% sure is about 4mm conversions but about some type of conversion i glossed over being a case about how apparently some german soldiers while stationed in Belgium, somehow got a hold of such conversions they used for Rats and Sport. Their superiors were not happy about this. This includes pictures of the guns after being taken away from the Soldiers by the police responsible for the area.
Prost from Bavaria!
Chartreux hellrigal?
@@choosetheright8654 You mean the Hellriegel i assume. I have access to the personal documents of one of the Waffenmeister who got to test it. Those are over 60 pages of which 14 are handwritten private documents and the rest official documents written by him regarding his personal opinions, issues he expects, issues he experienced during testing and the personal opinion of what he would have changed. Since there were 13 different Waffenmeister who got to test it, it's likely that the documents of the other 12 still exist in their families or somewhere else, No idea if Ian has access to the testing documents of any of the other ones, but i'd sure share Scans of the ones i have access to which are still part of that Waffenmeisters family estate and translate them
Regarding pictures, that Waffenmeister has 5 pictures from his personal photo album i got access too, besides those I do have the known and published pictures of it being tested of which some are on Wikipedia as well.
@@chartreux1532 please for the love of God scan everything. Everything and post it online. This stuff needs to be public knowledge. Just look at the dude in France who had all sorts of military documents. He died and his family threw them away. Then another guy here in the US had a massive collection until his house burned down
Bro that’s dope
Chartreux You can contact Ian at admin@forgottenweapons . com
4 mm kits were once relatively popular here in northern europe, it's still not that uncommon to run across them in the second hand market. The longer barrel might have been to further reduce the sound a bit.
Different barrel lengths would make it easier to ascertain which one was installed, making it less likely someone would try to fire a .32acp in the 4mm barrel.
Yea so how do i get more ammo and inserts because as is this is basically an adult nerf gun the blos the tip off the dart every shot
@@thepezfeo excellent point!
The rifling is quite interesting. It looks like is has about 12 grooves, with quite a fast twist as well. It's almost like the inside of an artillery piece.
With the humpback, the whole gun almost resembles an artillery piece or battleship main gun!
Just a note on the barrel length: If I were an industrial designer I would want a strong visual indicator of whether the 4mm barrel was installed. Having a longer barrel length than would be practical for pocket carry seems like a good idea in that instance.
Excellent point, I wouldn't have thought of that!
Very elegant conversion.
Neat idea and the Mauser design helped a lot with the barrel change option.
Maybe the barrel is longer to make the gun quieter? Pretty important indoors. And I imagine that if bringing the front sight farther forward was the only reason, the barrel wouldn't continue so much past it.
I love how that Barrel changes that gives me so many ideas
I think the main advantage of the longer barrel is that everyone in the family (and the neighbours) can see that junior isn't equipped to fire full-power ammunition. Someone tried selling little revolvers chambered for the 4mm cartridges in the UK and got away with it, for a while, until he encountered a London policeman who knew the legal concession was limited to West Germany. I don't think it was ever legal in the East? The claim was that since the revolvers were gold-plated, they were jewelry!
Woah I've had an RWS pellet gun since I was a kid, never knew they'd been around this long or made anything other than pellet guns.
I'm just watching to hear Ian say "simmerstewtsen". Close enough. XD
Greetings from Austria.
almost as interested in hearing you say Aquebogue
I was under the impression that that "Z " was pronounced as a "ts" would be pronounced in English. Please advise.
@@winfieldjohnson125 pretty much
From an engineering side that is a great conversion kit. Swap the barrel and use a dummy round to carry the smaller round very simple and very elegant
Not only is it a very simple, convenient, concise swap, but it's functionally as good as the base firearm in standard use, if not better, when you consider how accurate the 4mm likely is with the tight component fit up, such aggressive rifling, and that long barrel.
Typically, mechanical conversions tend to be just massively over-engineered with lots of high high cost machining of parts which just kills both the MSRP and the margins(see: just about any engine swap kit for any car ever, that will never be a big revenue generating venture no matter how cool V8 powered Miatas are), or they're very budget, simple designs at the cost of very loose tolerances, since tighter tolerances = higher cost.
Rarely it seems that someone just gets it 'right' and is able to strike that difficult balance of simplicity, low cost, and high build quality/tight tolerances, but it seems that this would be one such example, no doubt!
Glad I'm not the only one geeking out over the elegantly simple engineering here!
I love quirky things like this! It just makes me smile when I think of a group of bowler hat wearing moustached men plinking away in the parlour and a very disgruntled house keeper tutting as vases get smashed lol
Yes, and they keep hitting vases due to their target being obscured by the clouds of smoke from the fine cigars they're all enjoying.
YES! I really wanted some great content on the Mauser 1914, Ian's videos will be so good
Recently became a patreon after 2 years of watching. Big fan. Keep up the good work Ian
Thanks!
Different barrel lengths would make it easier to ascertain which one was installed, making it less likely someone would try to fire a .32acp in the 4mm barrel.
Wow Ian you're way closer to 1mil than I realized you may even hit that before the end of the year. Keep up the rad content!
I'm very curious now, and can't wait to see the future video on the 1914 Mauser pistol.
Thank you , Ian .
I look forward to a video on this Mauser pistol. I have one that I took in trade for upgrading an AR15 for a friend. Interesting video on this conversion kit.
It’s kind of funny that with all I’ve done on my, our, proprietary hot rod barrel burning, bullet dragging, long range magnum cartridges (lol). I have always loved the concept of parlor guns. I love the old full size target looking parlor rifles. They have a little pop out 6 inch barrel in 22 short at the muzzle end of the barrel. They look and feel just like those beautiful ornate target rifles of the 1800’s, but fire 22 shorts. And of course all of the full size target pistols that function the same way. Maybe it’s the connection of my childhood and all the fun I had with our numerous 22’s, but I really love shooting small bore firearms.
I like the concept
WOW very interesting Mauser pistol. Probably the first conversion kit for an pistol. I think it's an Cool gun.
Reminds me of the H&K 22 conversion kit for the L1A1 SLR for indoor range practice!
Is it me or does the Mauser 1914 look better with a long barrel?
Ian Tharp nope, I thought that too!
Same here.
everything look better with longer barrel ;)
Pistols look better with a longer barrel, while rifles look cool with a shorter one. Go figure.
@@griffn14 To short, she's not interested. To long, she can't handle it.
Sweden army had a similar system for the SMG kpist m45. Called roomammo (kammarammo). You used it on indoor shooting ranges with scaledown tragets. Also a 22lr set for the swedish g3/ak4 was used for training.
Cool. I've been waiting for you to do something on the Mauser 1914.
Popular Machanics did an how to make and shoot wax rounds from primed only cartridge for indoor fun, back in the 70s. We did it until mum found the holes from the misses.
i remember that article. damn, we're old. when i had a .357, i used the paraffin blocks for sealing jelly jars, and just pressed a case into the block to make cheap target ammo. wax or not, i wouldn't want to get shot by one at close range.
How awesome I have one of these pistols but didn't know about it. I need to get me one. Maybe try using a small flashlight from behind when showing the rifling it should help
We did something similar at carnival shooting galleries using 22 Short in 22 rifles where the magazine was a separate tube the entire length of the barrel I think it gave you about 15 shots. Quick reloading was done by preloading 22 shorts into soda straws . Open up the loading hatch , bite off the end of the straw and pour the bullets in . Not very loud but fun. Anyone else remember these ?
looks fun. thanks for sharing
When loading a magazine, Ian is right handed !
This is amazing.
Looking forward to a 1914 review. It has been at the top of my wish list since Alex C covered one for TFBTV. All praise Gun Jesus!
it is good the 4mm doesnt cycle the weapon. I would never see those inserts again.
I imagine the longer barrel is for higher muzzle velocity, being an already weak cartridge it could use the advantage especially for better accuracy and overall consistency.
My grandfather owned an old 1910 or 1914 32 that ended up in my great great grandfather's hands during WW2 in Nordreisa, Norway.
It had the falcon and swastika stamped on the gun and holster. It may have been used during the war at some point. Either by germans or resistance fighters in Norway.
Very reminiscent of the Kongsberg Colt .22 conversion kits. They also used full sized chamber inserts that would function in a standard 1911 magazine.
very reminiscent of Star Trek as well
The german empire had so many cool weapons
The longer barrel is probably severves a few purposes, but I was thinking it's so you don't get your calibers mixed up. The longer barrel makes it so it won't fit in your everyday carry holster unless you made it to accommodate both barrel lengths. It'd be a pretty crappy day if you came across the moment you actually needed your sidearm and it was chambered for a far insufficient caliber.
So how do these compare with .22 CB caps? Less powerful?
With a 7 gr. bullet I imagine it would be significantly less powerful than the 18-20 gr. flobert or cb which are usually going about 7-800 fps which is like 20-30 ft lbs or around 30ish joules, versus the 8 or so joules the 4mm cartridge produced. So, weaker than a .177 cal pellet rifle, and significantly weaker than a .22 cb
"zimmerstutzen" translates to "room rifle" by meaning "in door rifle"
i think that larger barrel is to make sure you won't mistake between the two barrels
Super cool. I own one of these pistols (the 1934 Nazi marked version) and I think it's cool to think of shooting it like this.
How close are the inserts to 32 ACP in profile? Can a 32 round be chambered in the 4mm barrel?
No a 32 acp. couldn't chamber in a 4mm, because a 32acp. equals 7,65mm. The cartdridge would be 3mm bigger than the chamber.
I hope i could help you out.
Yeah they look really similar. Funny that he didn't address this. Would be a huge liability.
Dominic, my dude, watch the video
@@dominikarndt6049 What is the size of that metal insert he is putting the cap into?
I think thats the poi t of the longer barrel length
I'm bringing a PE90 to desert brutality 2019. I could bring my Furter-Einsatz .22 pellet conversion if you wanted to take a look at one.
Before computer and video games people enjoyed 'Parlor' games, family games like Croquet, and one another.
When Germans say "Kleinkaliber" (small caliber) this is generally what they mean not 22 short or lr.
My grandad in Germany had a 4mm revolver, we'd used to shot from the porch at beercaps that he'd placed on grans flowerbed about 10 meters away, that little long barreld revolver was really accurate!
Just around the time I turned 18 they changed the law and you could no longer buy one of them without a licence.
Had a thought that the longer 4mm barrel is to give you a visual clue that you have the wrong barrel on the gun for 32acp and/or maybe even make it impossible to put it into it's holster for the same reason.
Pretty neat
Obviously (to me) the reason for the different barrel lengths is so the consumer can tell the two barrels apart quickly. :)
Wonder if something similar could be done today using a standard primer sitting behind a normal .177 pellet.
Might be fun to load the real 32 with this barrel.
I’ve been thinking of making something similar for a Spanish Mauser
Somebody need to develop this line again for the modern striker guns.
the barrel might also be elongated to make it more obvious its the 4mm barrel so you dont try to fire .32 out of it
I wouldn’t like to ‘forget’ to change the barrel back after shooting and then attempt to fire .32 with the 4mm barrel still in place!
Looks like you could even fit a longer 4mm inside that 32. ACP dummy cartridge if you wanted to.
...y'know, if you want to use 4mm magnum or something.
I like the proportions of the pistol with the longer barrel. How does the power of the 4mm compare to say a .17 break barrel air pistol?
This sounds like an awesome idea. Has the niche died off or is it still a thing?
Didn't Pedersoli come up with something a little like it with the Pedersoli Derringer Guardian #209....primer based pistol shooting a .177 pellet
Interesting, how these "cartridges" are made? Considering there's only primer there one would expect for the cartridge to detonate if you push the ball in too tight.
any information how much energy does this pellet have?
CorsairPL333
Not much
CorsairPL333 a sneeze has more power
Too bad the Lead styphnate in the priming compounds makes "gallery/parlor" shooting a hazardous/toxic experience and is now frowned on (rightly so). I always dream up little guns using primer powered cartridges for gallery type fun shooting.
Modern air pistols are either cheap, fairly accurate replicas of typical handguns (co2 powered) or staggeringly accurate, not so cheap target pistols (usually nitrogen powered I believe). Either would be a lot of fun and very capable of this kind of shooting. Do be careful if you do this, they are still capable of causing serious injury.
But slowly poisoning yourself in your own home *with* your home is such a European tradition!
www.davide-pedersoli.com/tipologia-prodotti.asp/l_en/idt_15/pistols-derringer-guardian.html
Non-factor (see global warming, cooling+climate change, all fake news)
Hey JP Stone, I think you're wrong but also, he didn't mean because of global warming, it's because lead styphnate is directly toxic to humans and shooting off a bunch of primers without proper ventilation isn't a great idea. Feel free to try it if you don't believe me though.
Apparently this is still a thing and there's special made guns that shoot tiny separate ball and brass
That long barrel is probably a safety thing longer barrel mean small caliber
I love anything smaller than a 17 cal. I want a 10 caliber (2.5mm) spitzer at 2500 fps for target practice. Even smaller would be nice, only if it was as accurate.
They need to bring something like that back so I can shoot in my living room
Neat pellet gun.
Like how small the pistol is, kind of like a fromer stop
It was a similar concept. They were both early .32 acp pocket pistols
did wilson take their 1911 mag design from this . first thing i noticed.
You can still buy 4 and 6 mm Flobert gun no licence 18y+ in CZ
I have several revolvers for it
so.. is ammunition still made for this type of parlor gun? or is it unicorn hunting
This reminds me a LOT of japanese modelguns/capguns
We're going on a wasp hunt!
Just this weekend I got a mauser 1914 pistol at an auction for $100. I somehow doubt this will go that cheap
Mauser 1914
Didn't some American company make something similar to this using a primed centerfire pistol cartridge (38 special) and it utilized a hard wax bullet?
The ones I saw were using a red plastic case. This was in the early 60's.
and now i must bye a parlour.
Any opportunity to look at a Minebea PM9? I feel like it's beginning to fall under the category of "forgotten weapons."
Can we get a review for the original Mauser 1914?
Would that cartridge have enough force to cycle the next round.
50 BMG converted to 4mm Zimmerstutzen = cool idea
OMG. I have ammo for this. Hope to find someone who has use for it.
This is the only handgun I own, should I shoot it?
I would suspect the longer barrel is to tell the shooter, that it's the 4mm barrel & not the 32acp barrel.
They should have called it a "Mouser" after the conversion was in-place due to the lowered velocity.
I wonder if those Zimmerstutzen cartridges would even break the skin
Well I'm definitely interested in the Mauser 1914 but I have no interest in anything in 4 millimeter....... However the pistol in its original form seems like a good pocket pistol........ Of course I'm American so what do I know?
Were there any 22 cal conversion kits made?
So basically a B.B. gun on steroids (but less on steroids than actual firearms)
I feel like this would be weaker than a bb gun
+The Ride Never ends Naw a bit more powerfull than a pellet gun.
Just on a lark I went looking a while back at just where airgun technology was these days, and I found a .50cal with more energy than a .357mag. You get two shots out of a paintball canister.
I dont know if this is more powerful than every pellet gun as mine will drive a .22 to over 1000 per second, and no its not some crazy air pneumatic contraption its a simple pump gun
A BB gun on Geritol.
Perfect carry gun cartridge because "REEEEEEEEEEEEEE
SHOT PLACEMENT!
IF YOU NEED MORE THAN 4 CALL URRRSELF A SWAT TEAM REEEEEEEEEE!"