Chinese 7.62mm Sten Gun

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  • @mixererunio1757
    @mixererunio1757 4 года назад +1486

    I just love Stens. Everyone used them. British, Poles, Germans, every single resistance, communists, capitalists, Aussie biker gangs.

    • @bongobrandy6297
      @bongobrandy6297 4 года назад +120

      Don't forget the Star Wars verssion. It couldn''t hit the broad side of a Wookie to save it's life. It shoots around the target making cool lighting and neat sound effects.; Pew pew Pew!

    • @philmccracken6134
      @philmccracken6134 4 года назад +51

      As Michelangelo told the Pope about the three Christs in his Last supper; "It works mate!".

    • @kabob0077
      @kabob0077 4 года назад +148

      @@bongobrandy6297 Actually that was the Sterling.

    • @rocket_sensha4337
      @rocket_sensha4337 4 года назад +27

      And the yakuza too.

    • @danieltanner8267
      @danieltanner8267 4 года назад +50

      @@bongobrandy6297 the stormtrooper blaster is a sterling smg

  • @AdamTuralinski
    @AdamTuralinski 4 года назад +2259

    So a Chinese conversion of a British gun, which was made in Canada, in a Russian caliber. Supplied as mutual aid to China, then used against the people who made it and captured in Korea?

    • @kabob0077
      @kabob0077 4 года назад +82

      @John Smith I mean you're probably not wrong.

    • @wierdalien1
      @wierdalien1 4 года назад +107

      @John Smith still would say Eh and aboot

    • @Pijawek
      @Pijawek 4 года назад +105

      Mister Worldwide

    • @billhsu6349
      @billhsu6349 4 года назад +16

      These re-chambered weapons were mainly used by militia.

    • @michaelathens953
      @michaelathens953 4 года назад +80

      Ahh globalism; making sure you have no idea who is screwing you over.

  • @kalashnikov98
    @kalashnikov98 4 года назад +2372

    My mind immediately went to full-size 7,62, that would have been a sight

    • @TheCrypto34
      @TheCrypto34 4 года назад +141

      My brain did the exact same thing lol

    • @austing5951
      @austing5951 4 года назад +284

      Me too, and I thought a fully automatic straight blow back 7.62 X 39 was violently Chinese, if only it was during the period with all the warlords and infighting. You know, fully automatic c96 broomhandles and all that.

    • @dd11111
      @dd11111 4 года назад +91

      same here, I was wondering how many rounds it would take to shake the gun apart.

    • @jamietus1012
      @jamietus1012 4 года назад +97

      Indeed, I was very concerned about an open bolt smg chambered in 7.62x39

    • @jd.3493
      @jd.3493 4 года назад +31

      My god, imagine that! It would have hideous recoil in such a light gun! Wowzers

  • @astridvallati4762
    @astridvallati4762 4 года назад +55

    "54 7,62" is Type 54, 7,62 caliber, the Chinese Tokarev ammo designation;
    25-2 is the Factory/Depot designation which did the conversion; and 748 is the Serial number.
    Since these were converted by several facilities, there are variations.
    Straight mag-well versions still with Canadian imprints also exist, with modified straight mags.( saw one years ago in friend's collection.
    Conversion of 7,9 Brens to 7,62x39 was a post-Korean war job...for use by Min Bin ( peoples militia)...late 50s- 1960s. A lot of 7,9 weaponry was used in Korea, alongside Russian supplied 7,62x54R and 7,62x25 guns...7,62x39 was only adopted by China in 1956 ( Type 56) under the Soviet Technical Aid Program.
    Doc AV

    • @matthijsbakker5296
      @matthijsbakker5296 6 месяцев назад

      Great aswer! Do you have a sourse of this information? I would love to learn more about this firearm

  • @MarcinP2
    @MarcinP2 4 года назад +459

    "It's not that complicated"
    Sten.

    • @kabob0077
      @kabob0077 4 года назад +17

      "Look man, it's not complicated. We have all the facts, this is a clear cut case."- Sten Pool

    • @philmccracken6134
      @philmccracken6134 4 года назад +16

      Metal tube goes "pew pew".

    • @Yao-fz6ie
      @Yao-fz6ie 4 года назад +7

      @@kabob0077 Just sprinkle some crack on it, open and shut case.

    • @tibbar20111987
      @tibbar20111987 4 года назад +12

      The moment you outcheap the chinese

    • @northdakotaham1752
      @northdakotaham1752 4 года назад +9

      @@tibbar20111987 back in the 70s you could buy parts kits to make your own Sten. You got all the parts including a "cut" tube, reciever demil. You just needed to find a new tube and do a little minor welding. Can't recall the exact price but it was cheap, maybe $24.95 or less. They also provided you with a paper pattern which you would wrap around the tube to indicate where the cuts and welds would be located.

  • @SSky06
    @SSky06 4 года назад +383

    Automatically my brain just thought this was going to be a Sten with a 30rd AK mag hanging off the side Lol

    • @magustrigger9195
      @magustrigger9195 4 года назад +11

      While I want a tok Stein, id take one that takes ak mags to.....scary to shoot im sure

    • @Floris_VI
      @Floris_VI 4 года назад +11

      Imagine with a 10 round mag for 7.62x54r

    • @Panzermech
      @Panzermech 5 месяцев назад

      Might build a non functional wall hanger for kicks.

  • @Metalbringer92
    @Metalbringer92 4 года назад +597

    The next evolution: Chinese STEN look-alike clone from Khyber pass.

    • @ollilehtonen6764
      @ollilehtonen6764 4 года назад +103

      Khyber Pass .410 break action sten.

    • @LOL-zu1zr
      @LOL-zu1zr 4 года назад +30

      Alex Carrara it’s going to be bolt action too.

    • @dillonc7955
      @dillonc7955 4 года назад +42

      Bolt action, bullpup Sten from Kyber Pass.

    • @AsbestosMuffins
      @AsbestosMuffins 4 года назад +17

      @@LOL-zu1zr when you fire you gotta shout "Daka daka daka!"

    • @troy9477
      @troy9477 4 года назад +14

      No kidding. The Khyber pass fabricators have copied just about everything

  • @villafuego
    @villafuego 4 года назад +17

    Actually, the bolt was slightly modified in the 7.62 conversions....the underside of the bolt was machined to ride over the wider feed lips of the PPS-43 mag. A 7.62 bolt will work in a 9mm gun, but an unmodified 9mm bolt wont function/feed in a 7.62 gun. You can see it 4:45 and 4:49 …..It's more noticeable when next to an unmodified 9mm bolt for reference

    • @vincentmueller3717
      @vincentmueller3717 5 месяцев назад +3

      I was going to comment on a single feed design working with a double feed mag. Sterling/Patchett guns work with Sten mags, but that could be by design. The VC MAT49 conversion to 7.62 flattened out the internal rib in the rear of the mag. I wonder why the Chinese didn't go that route.

    • @ianloughney9570
      @ianloughney9570 Месяц назад

      @@vincentmueller3717 You have it backwards, they didn't modify the feed element of the bolt, just the clearance areas. A sten bolt rides over the magazine, so it has to be clearanced for the wider mag. It has nothing to do with single vs double feed, presumably the sten feed lug is simply wide enough to function in double feed.

  • @laurenkennedy5669
    @laurenkennedy5669 4 года назад +19

    i imagine that this was probably a quite effective submachine gun, like its Soviet cousins: 7.62x25 is a pretty remarkable little round, and with an extended barrel this probably could punch through a helmet pretty easy. almost like a proto-PDW of sorts, I love it.

  • @TheDandyMann
    @TheDandyMann 4 года назад +61

    Didn't know the case heads for 9mm para and 7.62 Tokarev were nearly identical until now.

    • @troy9477
      @troy9477 4 года назад +14

      Yeah, because the 9mm evolved from the 30 Luger, which is virtually the same dimensionally as the 7.62x25. Not much new under the sun, plus there was no need for the Sovs to reinvent the wheel

    • @sid841
      @sid841 4 года назад +21

      @@troy9477 7.62x25 Tokarev is almost a copy of 7.63x25 Mauser C96 so 7.62x25 Tokarev and 9x19para are similar. In Russia we have a lot of PPSh-41 in 9x19para cause 9x19para is four times cheaper than 7.62 Tokarev.

    • @sid841
      @sid841 4 года назад +4

      @Alexander Yes. You can buy army surplus AKM (original 7.62x39 with a new semi-automatic trigger) and SKS if you have a license for rifled weapon or you can buy army surplus AKM and SKS in .366 (they have a new barrel 9.5x39 Paradox) if you have a license for smoothbore weapon.

    • @jamallabarge2665
      @jamallabarge2665 4 года назад +1

      They're very close. Tok is .393 inch, the Luger is .394

    • @kevinoliver3083
      @kevinoliver3083 10 месяцев назад +1

      They are both grandchildren of 7.65mm Borchardt, via 7.63mm Mauser and 7.65mm Parabellum.
      The length of the case varied between rounds but not it's diameter and headsize.

  • @HistoricalWeapons
    @HistoricalWeapons 4 года назад +9

    As a Chinese Canadian this is very interesting

  • @olivermcneice8440
    @olivermcneice8440 4 года назад +24

    I love the Royal Armouries, I live nearby and I've been visiting since I was a nipper, I had no idea they had all these cool firearms tucked away behind closed doors!

    • @JvS1711
      @JvS1711 4 года назад +2

      I live close by, have been three times. It's such a great museum.

    • @bradcraig2978
      @bradcraig2978 4 года назад +2

      Same bro, used to do foil fencing every Friday when i was a kid. Such a great place.

    • @Simon_Nonymous
      @Simon_Nonymous 4 года назад +3

      @Alexander erm yes we can... check your sources please.

  • @XtreeM_FaiL
    @XtreeM_FaiL 4 года назад +53

    That welding and finishing.
    Well, there is some weldings, but no finishing.

    • @CaliforniaFly
      @CaliforniaFly 4 года назад

      The repurposed stench gun. I bet the stock would freeze to the chinese soldiers faces during the wintertime.

  • @nowaypathless2566
    @nowaypathless2566 4 года назад +199

    "Master Yi Wan, how do I make PPS-43 even simpler and cheaper to make?"
    "Listen closely, Wai Di Mir. You take STEN..."
    "..."
    "...you rechamber it in 7.62 x 25..."
    "..."
    "...and you make it accept PPS-43 mags"

  • @artinyyk
    @artinyyk 4 года назад +66

    Now we know the real reason for the Korean war. So the Chinese could return their guns to Canadians. Geo-politics is such a wonderful thing.

    • @potatonoodlebear8035
      @potatonoodlebear8035 4 года назад +7

      And the Canadian will say "I am sorry" for the trouble of this whole process.

  • @charliezoa4899
    @charliezoa4899 4 года назад +87

    Omg. Remembering all those commando comic books from my childhood

    • @WorldCupWillie
      @WorldCupWillie 4 года назад +14

      I remember those. A least one solider would carry a sten and there would also be a big guy carrying a Bren probably called something like Tiny lol

    • @itsconnorstime
      @itsconnorstime 4 года назад +8

      I remember the Tommy gun outnumbering the Sten, usually wielded by a lantern jawed commando.

    • @charliezoa4899
      @charliezoa4899 4 года назад +2

      @@WorldCupWillie so true haha... 🤣.

    • @peterbenson2185
      @peterbenson2185 4 года назад +1

      @@jic1 My life is complete.

    • @itsconnorstime
      @itsconnorstime 4 года назад +1

      @@jic1 how are they still going?

  • @zendell37
    @zendell37 4 года назад +275

    Speaking of which, Ian should do an April fool's series called "rotten weapons" covering bad conversions of good weapons.

    • @denkgod2272
      @denkgod2272 4 года назад +9

      This is great

    • @hugopepe1722
      @hugopepe1722 4 года назад +27

      but this is good conversion, one could argue it made the gun better.

    • @M.M.83-U
      @M.M.83-U 4 года назад +2

      This is a very good idea.

    • @flawlesstheory5111
      @flawlesstheory5111 4 года назад +18

      Or try to explain how any Ork shoota from Warhammer 40.000 works
      He would just sit there for a minute silently, staring at the gun, and then sigh and say "I have no clue how it works"
      Shoota falls apart from a single touch
      Credits roll: "Archmagos Ian, circa 999.M40"

    • @matthewnunya8483
      @matthewnunya8483 4 года назад +7

      @@flawlesstheory5111 as todd howard would say " it just works!" 😂😂

  • @hokehinson5987
    @hokehinson5987 5 месяцев назад +2

    Years ago 23 years actually a friend went back to England on holiday. While there he purchased a demilled Sten gun kit. $180.00 which was quite a sum at the time. He called a friend who helped supply the parts from an Ole shotgun news. They were able to track down parts and pieces to make the gun work after some rudimentary welding on the receiver ejector port. The end product looked exactly like the sten in the video. Lost touch with the old boy...he passed away during the hiatus. Wonder what his girl's thought when they found that sten amongst his belongings🤔

  • @9HoleReviews
    @9HoleReviews 4 года назад +62

    I want this.

    • @UXB1000
      @UXB1000 4 года назад +4

      Say, maybe Henry's cousin in Hong Kong can pull some strings.

    • @howardchambers9679
      @howardchambers9679 3 года назад +1

      Over 500 yards?

    • @9HoleReviews
      @9HoleReviews 3 года назад +5

      @@howardchambers9679 500码必中!

    • @darwinchan7695
      @darwinchan7695 3 года назад +3

      @@9HoleReviews The hands of Mao will rise from the depths of hell to guide your shot if you purge enough rightists, Nationalists and anti-revolutionaries!

  • @jeffgrey663
    @jeffgrey663 4 года назад +39

    Awesome for hump day morning while I'm drinking coffee before going out to the heat of tucson to save people whose air conditioners are broken thanks buddy

  • @azkrouzreimertz9784
    @azkrouzreimertz9784 4 года назад +19

    love these chinese conversions, they all have a good story behind them

  • @chanman819
    @chanman819 4 года назад +6

    I imagine that the longer barrel also helped with muzzle flash and noise - important when no one's wearing earpro and fighting at night.

    • @chanman819
      @chanman819 3 года назад +2

      @@0neDoomedSpaceMarine heck, with those magazines and higher BC round, they were probably better weapons. Not that 'better SMG than the Sten Mk. II' was a particularly high bar to meet

  • @royboiiiluo6178
    @royboiiiluo6178 4 года назад +6

    Hi Ian, If I wasn’t mistaken, actually the mark of 54-7.62 on the mag catcher means that this gun uses type 54 7.62mm submachine gun(Chinese copy of soviet PPS43) magazine instead of 1954 as the year of conversion

  • @jonasjeaggi4575
    @jonasjeaggi4575 4 года назад +265

    Interesting, never even heard of these, guess its better than the original?, because of the better magazines? Propably...

    • @spyj1900
      @spyj1900 4 года назад +34

      Better ammo for SMGs, a longer barrel, so this could be better if the barrel was held in place correctly.

    • @spyj1900
      @spyj1900 4 года назад +17

      @@lostalone9320 Yeah, but some extra velocity doesn't hurt at 200yards.
      7.62x25 is too long for handguns though.

    • @williamsample2631
      @williamsample2631 4 года назад +12

      @Mr Brightside the Velocity in truth wouldn't hurt, in least getting it the 75 to the hundred yard range with some Effectiveness left. But you are correct with those sites hitting anything at 200 all you're doing is spraying and praying.

    • @matthalstead7113
      @matthalstead7113 4 года назад +8

      @Mr Brightside most smgs at the time could shoot that far they were made this way because there was a necessity for something that could hose bullets at people. Remember assault rifles weren't a thing for the majority of soldiers and 200 yards is pretty close most bolt action rifles are boringly accurate at that distance and machine guns were unwieldy and suited to suppression.

    • @Yfr28
      @Yfr28 4 года назад +5

      You're not really gonna shoot anything at 200m with a sten gun

  • @MegaSubjectDelta
    @MegaSubjectDelta 4 года назад +77

    Perhaps that middle marking is the "Factory" designation or unit code the particular batch of stens were attached to?

    • @ScottKenny1978
      @ScottKenny1978 4 года назад +4

      That's my suspicion as well.

    • @thebrokencable156
      @thebrokencable156 4 года назад +13

      Thought it was 'Day - Month'.

    • @coyoteranger
      @coyoteranger 4 года назад +4

      In one line - 54-7.62 25- 05 - "54" - mfg year, "7.62x25" - caliber, 05 - plant number

  • @austinhughes6852
    @austinhughes6852 4 года назад +131

    Well as Tallahassee from Zombieland.Would say “Don’t shoot me with my own gun!”

  • @Airan102banshee
    @Airan102banshee 4 года назад +341

    oh, _that_ 7.62mm. i'm a moron for thinking otherwise I guess..

    • @kabob0077
      @kabob0077 4 года назад +59

      Most people think of 7.62x39, I myself was like "I mean it's probably not in 39, but given some of the shit I've seen it might just be" then I saw the mag and was relieved to see it wasn't.

    • @jurajokasa834
      @jurajokasa834 4 года назад +5

      Yes not by 39 but 25 ;)

    • @gohunt001-5
      @gohunt001-5 4 года назад +33

      Imagine if it wasn't x25 or x39, but 7.62x54...

    • @aixide
      @aixide 4 года назад +23

      @@kabob0077 A lot of people probably thought it's in 7.62 NATO

    • @kabob0077
      @kabob0077 4 года назад +7

      @@gohunt001-5 Dear God...

  • @gundog39
    @gundog39 4 года назад +3

    A simple yet effective conversion, I could imagine the 7.62mm tokarev round would have given it some decent stopping power. So glad Ian has gotten round to doing this one. :)

  • @davidbeattie4294
    @davidbeattie4294 4 года назад +3

    I live in Long Branch and have walked the old armory grounds where those guns were made. Who knew what happened to them? Thanks for filling in a really unique bit of Long Branch history.

  • @fogratindustries6901
    @fogratindustries6901 4 года назад +2

    I am always surprised at how few companys have made comercial conversions kits for 7.62x25. seems it would be an easy sell to offer a barrell, spring, mag drop in conversion for 1911 platforms or glocks or even highpoint. a highpoint carbine in 7.62 would be handy and fun

  • @CzechoslovakGunStories
    @CzechoslovakGunStories 4 года назад +5

    The barrel length can be a result of splitting a barrel of another gun in two making it this length for PPSten... PPSh41 had the 10,6 inch barrels and it was a result of taking a Mosin rifle barrel and cutting it in half.... looks like the same happened here :)

    • @barttorbert5031
      @barttorbert5031 Год назад

      The PPS43 used a 10.5 inch barrel. China was making new one at this same time. So reusing those barrels was a cost saver.

  • @KnifeChatswithTobias
    @KnifeChatswithTobias 4 года назад +2

    Pretty cool. I like the little extra length on the barrel.

  • @lupislupine168
    @lupislupine168 4 года назад +125

    The barrel length being much longer on this gun is maybe because they repurposed PPS-43 barrels and didn't want to waste perfectly good barrels they already had or were already making?

    • @MonkeyDespot
      @MonkeyDespot 4 года назад +6

      Exactly what I was thinking.

    • @cosmophobia1917
      @cosmophobia1917 4 года назад +1

      why not manafacture a longer barrel?

    • @jic1
      @jic1 4 года назад +28

      @@cosmophobia1917 Because then they'd have to manufacture a longer barrel.

    • @ScottKenny1978
      @ScottKenny1978 4 года назад +26

      @@cosmophobia1917 because that requires new tooling, while using an existing pps barrel is simple.

    • @BlackCoinCrypto
      @BlackCoinCrypto 4 года назад +3

      Could it also have been related to needing a longer impulse during recoil to achieve reliable cycling with the original bolt and spring?

  • @stephengalindo6340
    @stephengalindo6340 4 года назад +6

    Angry pipe became big angry pipe

  • @Snp2024
    @Snp2024 4 года назад +129

    That title almost gave me heart attack.

    • @arrowtt3364
      @arrowtt3364 4 года назад +2

      Why?

    • @scoe5908
      @scoe5908 4 года назад +20

      @@arrowtt3364 I initially assumed it was 7.62x39 straight blowback when I read the title.

    • @doubleaja3415
      @doubleaja3415 4 года назад +13

      Arrow TT33 because big sten go boom boom

    • @CheshireTomcat68
      @CheshireTomcat68 4 года назад +2

      @@arrowtt3364 It suggested it was a full power 7.62 rifle cartridge conversion!

    • @mdokuch96
      @mdokuch96 4 года назад +6

      @John Smith because there can't be "too much of dakka".

  • @goober8598
    @goober8598 3 года назад

    At 4:53 the actually accounted for the bolt using pps 43 magazines, the standard sten bolts taper more too the top, I only say incase anyone is willing to recreate the sten in tokarev.

  • @marpso1480
    @marpso1480 4 года назад +78

    Imagine that with the drum mag of PPSH 41
    i know it doesn't take ppsh 41 mags and takes pps 43 ones instead, but just imagine

    • @Panzer_Runner
      @Panzer_Runner 4 года назад +15

      A drum mag on the side just like MP18

    • @coryhall7074
      @coryhall7074 4 года назад +12

      @@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz That's my thought too, you'd have to hold it gangster just to shoot it

    • @colinmasterson666
      @colinmasterson666 4 года назад +3

      Good luck finding PPSH-41 Drum mags that work.

    • @NobleBandit
      @NobleBandit 4 года назад +2

      Colin Masterson after 42 year they almost all work properly

    • @dillonc7955
      @dillonc7955 4 года назад +1

      You'd probably have to side mount the iron sights so the magazine wouldn't block your sight picture and overall it would look terrifying, both of the people using it and the enemy going against it.

  • @josefcooper-walker4981
    @josefcooper-walker4981 4 года назад +1

    Ian, your videos are the highlight of my subscriptions, keep them coming

  • @Jason-fm4my
    @Jason-fm4my 4 года назад +4

    The Andrew Salmon series "To the Last Round" and "Scortched Earth, Black Snow" contain some interesting context to these guns. Apparently the Chinese intervention had a lot ammunition supply problems, because they had stockpiles of small arms from indigenous sources, France, the UK, US, Canada the Soviet Union and Japan. According to the book the army used by China had been about to invade Taiwan when Mao realized that the Korean War was going south and redirected them to intervene in Korea instead. The planned invasion of Taiwan was going to use surrendered Nationalist forces as their front line so that they could purge the army of politically unreliable soldiers and play on the loyalty of the Taiwanese defenders. As a result the army that entered North Korea used a particularly large amount of western foreign aid weapons in addition to Communist manufactured weapons. The Chinese supply lines were primarily done by people literally carrying the supplies on their backs through snow covered mountain passes, being covered by US Air force fighter-bombers, up until the Russian Air force intervened. The most notable tact taken to solve the ammo compatibility issues was to produce and issue large quantities of grenades. Chinese produced concussion grenades were not very effective though, so they didn't catch a break on that either.

  • @matthayward7889
    @matthayward7889 4 года назад +1

    This, and the 7.62x39mm Chinese Bren are two of my favourite forgotten weapons

  • @GetWarded
    @GetWarded 4 года назад +67

    This causes me emotional and physical distress

    • @MrDakadaka
      @MrDakadaka 4 года назад

      I was exited !

    • @hjorturerlend
      @hjorturerlend 4 года назад

      Why?

    • @GetWarded
      @GetWarded 4 года назад +7

      I read “7.62mm Sten” and assumed Sten in 7.62x54

    • @hjorturerlend
      @hjorturerlend 4 года назад

      @@GetWarded That would be fun

    • @gohunt001-5
      @gohunt001-5 4 года назад

      @@GetWarded most people think 7.62x39, but sure

  • @southproduct7463
    @southproduct7463 4 года назад +1

    I think you should consider doing regular gun reviews as well. You take it upon yourself to learn everything there is to know about the motivation, history, and purpose of every gun you review, and I admire and respect that. Your views on guns are very well rounded, and I think you would be able to succeed in the vastly flooded genre of gun reviews. Something to consider :)

  • @cnlbenmc
    @cnlbenmc 4 года назад +3

    Despite what a kludge this looks to be; the magazines are probably an improvement!

  • @JanMajeran
    @JanMajeran 4 года назад +1

    Each time I`m thinking that I`ve seen everything, Ian uploads such a video

  • @yocapo32
    @yocapo32 4 года назад +90

    Oh thank God, I thought it was gonna be a 7.62 x *51* Sten and I wanted to see how the world's biggest hand grenade looked like.

    • @farenhitegr6493
      @farenhitegr6493 4 года назад +26

      Do you one better - the Sten in 7.62x54mmR.

    • @Jasonth131
      @Jasonth131 4 года назад +4

      A 50. Call stengun

    • @Zack_Wester
      @Zack_Wester 4 года назад +11

      @@Jasonth131 for when you play a RPG game and the devs forget to put a damage upgrade cap on your sten gun.

    • @my-tech-demos
      @my-tech-demos 4 года назад +3

      There was a 7,62x51mm Sterling.

    • @saadahmad21
      @saadahmad21 4 года назад +2

      Tbf i was expecting a 7.62x39

  • @barttorbert5031
    @barttorbert5031 Год назад +1

    The PPS43 has a 10.5 inch barrel. China made a bunch of these. So one barrel could be used for both the Sten conversion and original PPS43 production.

  • @dillonc7955
    @dillonc7955 4 года назад +40

    When are you showing us a bullpup Kyber Pass Sten, Ian?

    • @Shaun_Jones
      @Shaun_Jones 4 года назад +3

      It’s not kyber pass, but look up his video on the viper smg. It’s a bullpup, full auto only, simplified, one handed sten gun.

  • @mythbusterboyzz
    @mythbusterboyzz 4 года назад

    Actually seen this in the royal armoury fantastic weapon history keep up the good work Ian👍

  • @veselekov
    @veselekov 10 месяцев назад +3

    Lets be real. Sten Guns are just plumbing with a firing pin

  • @GARDENER42
    @GARDENER42 4 года назад

    I've fired a Bren converted to 7.62x54R by the expedient of running a 7.62x54R reamer into the original .303 British chamber.
    Accuracy was fine but the fired cases had an interesting double shoulder, almost invariably split just below the neck.

  • @MrBigCookieCrumble
    @MrBigCookieCrumble 4 года назад +6

    "... It's not all that complicated"
    Ofcourse it isn't, it's a _Sten Gun!_ xD

  • @williamglass2223
    @williamglass2223 4 года назад +1

    If you want to make your angry tube a little bit angrier. Honestly thought it was gonna be a full size 7.62x39, that would’ve been a real step up.

  • @1TruNub
    @1TruNub 4 года назад +6

    I'm a simple man, I see a video by Ian I hit watch and like

  • @chriscain308_MF
    @chriscain308_MF 4 года назад

    When you pulled that mag out idk why but that sound was satisfying as hell. I wanna get more guns so badly. I miss them. Had to sell them for my family :/

  • @falasnorden4359
    @falasnorden4359 4 года назад +5

    Im guessing that the numbers on the mag-well (25-05) would be the month and day that the conversation took place, so pretty much the 25th of May, 1954

    • @Zack_Wester
      @Zack_Wester 4 года назад

      was thinking the same thing. felt about right sadly my first though had the date flipped aka day 5 of month 25 so I drooped it.

    • @yangcheng-jyun8542
      @yangcheng-jyun8542 4 года назад

      Because chinese don't write date like that. They would wrote 5-25, not the other way around

  • @tenchraven
    @tenchraven 4 года назад

    For a STEN, that is a sexy configuration. With the longer barrel and the higher pressure SMG loads this is nice little set up. Sure, still a STEN, but an improved one.

    • @bingola45
      @bingola45 4 года назад

      Do you still have to mind your fingers?

  • @mojowarrior4578
    @mojowarrior4578 4 года назад +3

    Would love to see this on the range 👍

  • @sadaasdafa8635
    @sadaasdafa8635 4 года назад

    Fascinating. Come to think of it, there are a heck of a lot of adaptations of the Sten design from across the world! Including this one and more famous ones like the Owen gun and the Mp 3008, there must be at least 18 countries that have done it.

  • @SeymoreTheDisappointed
    @SeymoreTheDisappointed 4 года назад +4

    Ah side loading guns, my favourite

    • @pussyslayer2295
      @pussyslayer2295 4 года назад +1

      Side loading guns (exept the FG-42) give me headache

    • @andersbendsen5931
      @andersbendsen5931 4 года назад

      @@pussyslayer2295 But how can you even into fun with boring bottom loading normalcy?

  • @yiyu7965
    @yiyu7965 4 года назад +1

    The 25-05 marking is most likely a part of 7.62x25 , then 05 072 is the magazine type used and barrel matching number. China stopped using imperial calendar system after 1949, so month is in front day and after year, like year/month/day. As a Chinese, according to my very limited knowledge, a lot of these converted guns were not serialized at all. That serial number looking mark is purely used to ID the caliber and the matching barrel. Thus, the marking should be understood like this: this gun uses Type 54 pistol(Chinese version of TT33) caliber 7.62x25 ammo compatible with type 50 submachine gun magazine (ppsh-41), barrel number 072 belongs to this receiver. This type of weapon were typically converted poorly by uneducated/undertrained gunsmiths, a lot of these makeshift guns were made by local law enforcement units to shoot supplied ammo. Fitting was so bad that parts between guns are sometimes not interchangeable at all, that’s why they had to mark the barrel in order to be able to find the right one. These guns were often made in small batch (1 to maybe 1000, depending on how many they had on hands) by armorers of a certain unit, then the idea is copied by a different unit, a lot of these guns are made in different shops with no standardized manufacturing process, quality control is also minimal. I have seen many types of misprint in terms of marking, like in this case, 05 probably should be 50. This type of manufacturing practice continued well into the late 1950s to offset the pressure during Korean War. Well made guns were sent to frontline troops, and everybody else had to make do with whatever they had.

  • @sheridankromann5263
    @sheridankromann5263 4 года назад +13

    For a little bit i thought it was a 7.62x51 conversion. That would be a monstrosity.

  • @Jason-fm4my
    @Jason-fm4my 4 года назад

    I was wondering when these guns would come up for years. Very cool.

  • @deletdis6173
    @deletdis6173 4 года назад +7

    When I saw "7.62mm Sten Gun" my silly ass thought it would be 7.62x39, not 7.62mm Tokarev. 😂😂😂

    • @weswolever7477
      @weswolever7477 4 года назад +1

      That would be pretty freak’n awesome

  • @EcchiRevenge
    @EcchiRevenge 3 года назад

    Great upgrade to sten, would love to build one some time.

  • @hildoschutte6200
    @hildoschutte6200 4 года назад +3

    I wonder if this conversion resolves one of the major Stengun issues: the awful magazine design.
    In the literature about his gun, this appears to be the pet peeve, even more than the famous weak recoil-spring leading to regular accidental discharges. In official weapons manuals it's always recommended to keep the magazines squeaky clean and to never-ever, while loading the magazine, pushing a cartridge between the feeding lips since they may bend, nor to give the magazine a slap after being loaded into the gun; all in order to avoid damage to the extremely fragile feeding lips.
    Fitting a new magazine well, as well as using the sturdier PPS 43 magazines, may have resolved at least one of the major Sten weaknesses.

  • @51WCDodge
    @51WCDodge 4 года назад

    When the Palmach made Stens the biggest problem was brass for the ammunition. So they bought and imported Lipstick cases. Though barrels are the most complicated, maybe the 10 1/2 inch was what was set up for manufactuer?

  • @brodyscarlett5527
    @brodyscarlett5527 4 года назад +3

    Gun Jesus: sten gun
    My AK guy brain: angry tube

  • @herman7661
    @herman7661 5 месяцев назад

    The weakness of the Sten was the double stack, single feed magazine. This conversion uses a much better double stack, double feed magazine. It was probably more reliable than the original 9mm Para Sten. Interesting that it apparently worked well with this magazine, without any modification to the bolt.

  • @mathiaslindgren9544
    @mathiaslindgren9544 4 года назад +4

    I noticed that the magazine is double feed rather than the single feed of the regular magazine. Have they done any modification of the barrel to facilitate the double feed or is it possible to just stick a double feed mag in a sten and it works?

    • @Stoney3K
      @Stoney3K 4 года назад +1

      A Sten is literally just a pipe with a bolt in it, so it will probably fire anything as long as there is enough space for the cartridge to feed. There's nothing in the way.

    • @mathiaslindgren9544
      @mathiaslindgren9544 4 года назад

      @@Stoney3K So there is no need for something to guide the cartridges in to the chamber (feedramps etc.) eventhough the cartridges now feed offset from the barrel? Or is it that the cartridges are close enough to allow the tip of the bullet to guide them in the chamber?

    • @Stoney3K
      @Stoney3K 4 года назад +1

      @@mathiaslindgren9544 I do believe there's a feedramp inside but it's already tapered the right way for double feed magazines to work. And the top of the magazine feed lips is already pretty close to the center of the bolt face so there's not a lot of guiding you have to do.

  • @sesameseedbar8853
    @sesameseedbar8853 6 дней назад

    Not gonna lie, the curved magazine on a sten, just suits it so much nicer than the straight mag.

  • @arrowtt3364
    @arrowtt3364 4 года назад +21

    I suspect the "05" could mean it was converted in Year 5 of the Chinese Revolution.

    • @andersbendsen5931
      @andersbendsen5931 4 года назад +4

      makes sense. Take your like, you filthy heathen.

    • @hongyangjiang4976
      @hongyangjiang4976 4 года назад +4

      Then it is 1917.

    • @arrowtt3364
      @arrowtt3364 4 года назад

      @@hongyangjiang4976 I meant of Mao's Revolution, obviously.

    • @jedz5151
      @jedz5151 4 года назад +3

      @@arrowtt3364 It's unlikely. The communist does not use the this kind of numbering of years. They tend to use the common era year, so the marking of 54 means 1954, which makes more sense

    • @叶子悦-i2k
      @叶子悦-i2k 4 года назад +3

      This weapon could be something issued to Chinese volunteers Amy division 25 regiment05 from my understanding. It might be modified by the division machinery

  • @MsAmigo1990
    @MsAmigo1990 4 года назад

    25-05 sounds like a day and month xD. The long barrel 7,62x25 conversion was also present on french MAT-49 smg's.

  • @ptrd4111
    @ptrd4111 4 года назад +12

    Soviets: Burp gun
    Chinese: Cough gun

  • @milgeekmedia
    @milgeekmedia 9 месяцев назад

    I kinda like the converted mag paddle latch they added! Think I prefer it to the original STEN button latch! Very interesting.

  • @randomlyentertaining8287
    @randomlyentertaining8287 4 года назад +3

    I guarantee you that someone in the Middle East has one of these strapped to their back.

  • @slick_slicers
    @slick_slicers 4 года назад

    I spent a day at the Royal Armouries collection, I saw loads, but it’s a shame how much more is not available for us mere mortals to see.

  • @michaelwright2986
    @michaelwright2986 4 года назад +3

    "Chinese Sten gun"--a phrase synonymous with quality.

    • @halfassedfart
      @halfassedfart 4 года назад

      Quality enough to fight the Korean War despite massive deficiencies in heavy equipment.

  • @loupiscanis9449
    @loupiscanis9449 4 года назад

    Thank you , Ian .

  • @munkSWE88
    @munkSWE88 4 года назад +6

    Maybe that 25-05 is the desegnation of the gun? like how 56-2 is the sidefolding AK variant.

    • @jagh1410
      @jagh1410 4 года назад

      Or 25 of May that year

  • @bigbird799
    @bigbird799 3 года назад +1

    I’m in the process of building one with a mk3 parts kit and a pps 43 mag well chambered in 9mm

  • @Panzer_Runner
    @Panzer_Runner 4 года назад +4

    Now I know why the Sten gun in BO3 is called the "Bootlegger", because it's the Chinese Bootleg Sten

  • @koswopond
    @koswopond 4 года назад

    My grandfather said 25-05 could mean the ID of the factory or gun repair department that modified these guns, like 05 workshop of the 25 factory, but he could not be sure. His father carried out modification work on these guns in North Korea and Hebei in the 1950s.

  • @MrDakadaka
    @MrDakadaka 4 года назад +8

    Im disappointed, I was hoping for a 7.62 rifle round chambered sten gun.

  • @WindFireAllThatKindOfThing
    @WindFireAllThatKindOfThing 4 года назад +1

    The only thing stopping the 7.62 Tok from a revival as the great battlefield handgun cartridge bridging the gap between 5.7x28 and .357 SIG is: the lack of a good handgun to drive demand for it.
    Generous barrel length to convert all that boom to velocity, double stack, etc etc

  • @DanielPerry444
    @DanielPerry444 4 года назад +8

    I don't know if Ian is wearing gloves for the virus or for handling the gun 😂

  • @LesserDoom
    @LesserDoom Год назад

    I was given one of these conversions with stampings that are very close to that one..

  • @qingyunwang3802
    @qingyunwang3802 4 года назад +5

    I wonder if this abomination will have a higher rate of fire than the 'vanilla' sten given more powder in the round.

    • @tedarcher9120
      @tedarcher9120 4 года назад

      More powder but less mass, which means 9mil has slighly more recoil, so rate of fire should be reduced

  • @lensperspective9753
    @lensperspective9753 4 года назад +1

    7.62x25 is my favorite caliber! It makes so much sense to put it an sten! I really wish we could have the designs to make then, this would be a great reproduction! Prolly really cheap too

    • @TheMoistestNugget
      @TheMoistestNugget 2 года назад

      im sure you could build this off a sten parts kit if that’s any consolation

  • @AsbestosMuffins
    @AsbestosMuffins 4 года назад +3

    could just be they had 10" Tokarev barrel blanks and that's what they used

  • @davidcolter
    @davidcolter 4 года назад +2

    That is highly aesthetic, which is not something often said about a Sten.

  • @kektuss
    @kektuss 4 года назад +3

    After finding the Sten, the Chinese learned forever how to make cheap things

  • @Zhangweifang817
    @Zhangweifang817 4 года назад +1

    25-05 might have been factory code as its common in PLA arsenal to have 4 digits code under factory stamp

  • @jd_99
    @jd_99 4 года назад +35

    Is it my imagination or are the comments on this significantly more idiotic than usual for FW?

    • @andersbendsen5931
      @andersbendsen5931 4 года назад +3

      Lots of yes.

    • @mergemechanism
      @mergemechanism 4 года назад +4

      might it just be that arriving this early means the garbage hasn't been slid out of sight yet?

    • @steveedwards6447
      @steveedwards6447 4 года назад

      @@mergemechanismToo right, every one knows Aussie Bikers preferred Owen' s

    • @Bikonito
      @Bikonito 4 года назад

      wow bro you're so smart and cool

    • @demonprinces17
      @demonprinces17 4 года назад +1

      It's all this staying at home killing brain cells

  • @roteba1
    @roteba1 4 года назад

    I had no idea this even existed. The Joy of "Forgotten Weapons"!

  • @ujangalui8969
    @ujangalui8969 4 года назад +8

    Only time Chinese were lazy enough to not steal and recreate 😂

    • @StromBugSlayer
      @StromBugSlayer 4 года назад +4

      That's a pretty stupid comment.

    • @MrOystaCatz
      @MrOystaCatz 4 года назад +1

      that's a terrible take ujan

    • @iemozzomei
      @iemozzomei 4 года назад +1

      @@StromBugSlayer Let us hope it's a reasonably intelligent person making a silly comment thoughtlessly instead of an idiot making a stupid one.
      If it's the later, you can expect an inbox full of idiocy lol.

    • @andersbendsen5931
      @andersbendsen5931 4 года назад +2

      @@iemozzomei Well, to be fair, that pretty much is what they do.

  • @haonanhuang9197
    @haonanhuang9197 4 года назад

    Please do more videos about custom or modified weapens, especially caliber swap weapons such as 7.62x39 Bren or 9mm PPSH-41. Love your channel. Thanks.

  • @onsesejoo2605
    @onsesejoo2605 4 года назад

    That version should be far more better than original Sten, with the problems with the original magazine solved in the process with proper attachment and double feed.

  • @johnwillis4706
    @johnwillis4706 2 года назад

    I bought one of these years ago. I knew it was a Chinese copy/ adaptation but nothing else including it's caliber. Now I know, it's selector was welded in the semi-auto position. It came with three magazines. So now I'll have clean it up and try it out.

  • @kuri7154
    @kuri7154 4 года назад +1

    Imagine being this Sten, born in Britain and fought Nazis in WW2 Europe and was later sent to the Commonwealth to fight in the Pacific, and was then given to the Chinese to fight Imperialist Japan, and then fought with the Nationalists against the Communists and then with the Communists against the Nationalists during the Chinese civil war, and was then converted to 762 Tokarev and fought in Korea, and then Vietnam and Malaya, and was captured again by the Brits and was sent back to Britain and ended up in a museum in Leeds and eventually, in the hands of the Gun Jesus...

  • @alanreese2990
    @alanreese2990 4 года назад

    All the Soviet SMGs in 7.62x25 from ww2 had 10.6ish inch barrels. They probably used spare barrels from PPSH/PPD/PPS barrels for these conversions