I was driving one of those in the UK over 40 years ago. It was made by Hoyner, they also made car transporters. No more likely to fall over than any other artic tipper. I loved it, if you got bogged, you could 'walk' it out by alternatively braking the trailer and unit individually.
I know the feeling with truck drivers. When I'm paving big lots and having alot of trucks running we start out with them all split up in the morning but by the afternoon I got 20 semis pulling in all at the same time, never fails. Lol. They are good guys, I just like pulling their leg from time to time.
Wow that's so unstable. You gotta make sure you are damn good and level with one of those. Couldn't use it in cold environments where dirt might stick to one side or the other. I'm a heavy equipment operator, and I've had wagons tip right beside me when they were not quite level, and they are full frame quads. I can't imagine how many of these would be tipping working in the same enviroment.
I can remember back in the 80's going out on job sites and dumping where the job supervisor was telling me to dump as a driver you were supposed to listen to them yet ive been out on some jobs and the supervisor guiding me into powerlines and having to set in the cab and not jump out until an emerg3crew came out and removed the power line from my trailer, i got were i would tell them if its not safe dont do it yet they would just tell me i had to do what ever they said, i think they have changed that by now.
Looks like the truck I just watch tip over while dumping rocks in another video. I've never seen a frameless dump trailer, so I had to look it up and came across this video.
I'd be like, " Yeah , speaking of holding hands. After I dumped another load at your place on the way over here. Your girl held my hand, leaving . By the way you're out if cereal " 😂😂😂
I don't know if I like this over a tri-axle. I guess if this is all you have in the fleet it makes sense. Sweet looking rig nonetheless. Love the low sides
I've used tipping trailers like that one and didn't like them one little bit. One good gust of wind from the side and they fall over. I've never heard of them called a frameless trailer though. Here in Oz, most people call them TOA trailers - ( Tip Over Axle )
@andrzejtrucker a frameless trailer is less stable then a framed trailer. namely because only one axle is on the ground while dumping. depending on the size of the tractor and the amount of dirt and mud on the truck, empty the entire rig weighs between 27,000 and 30,000 lbs
Do you go through a lot more tires on the back axles because of the load weight resting on them so fully like that? Just wondering...i dont drive, so i dont have a clue!
We call it a TOA (Tip Over Axle or Cantilever tipper, ours are mostly tri axle) they save weight but you need to be careful, this guy is an accident waiting to go over. Hold the hand piece and walk the truck till the end of the 2nd stage on the hoist then release it and at the same time put a bit of pressure on the foot brake and pull the trailer in and it leaves a neat pile (this is a mess), only thing is the brakes need to be in good condition so both sides release at the same time otherwise the trailer can twist and go over. Better on airbags as the bags drop and the tip axle sits on rubbers, if on springs you need to be a bit more careful. If the ground is soft then lift the trailer till the tip axle is the only one on the ground and wheel roll it while watching that the ground is all level: if the truck is on soft ground then you can only walk the trailer. The best way is with all the brakes off but it's rarely an option.
Such a great design! Its got so many advantages over conventional dump trucks. I don't know if the design is new, but I'm suprised you dont see more of these setups on the road than regular dump trucks... maybe regular dump trucks will be outdated someday? Either way nice vid, keep doing what you love Chris!
@vlasktom Not necessarily a frame less end dump is more stable there is a debate on a Fourm can't member which one but it has to do when the framed end dump is in the air if it begins to wobble even a lil itll come down due to the frame as where the arms on the frameless end dump bend with it to keep it stable but to me the center point and full stance frameless end dump are most stave hands down
i am not in trucking but 22 tonnes seems suitable for 4 axle dumpers EU standard. but think it is easier and better at tipping sideways :) like Australians do on their road trains :)
So that's a bit over 36T, that seems like a lot of tractor unit for not a lot of capacity, the artics here can weigh 44T / 96800lbs combined, although they can only drag one trailer so I suppose it's swings and roundabouts! Thanks for the reply by the way.
That was certainly interesting to see such a trailer, I wonder if it's easier to put that kind of rig on the side compare to a trailer with a frame and could anyone tell me what's the weight of an empty rig in that configuration?
It's an ongoing battle with dump drivers and operators. I've had an operator tell me the difference between a dump driver and a jack ass is the length of thier ears
With the length of the trailer. The fact that its frame less, next to power lines and very clean id say this guy takes care of his equipment. Measure twice cut once -Speed kills
IMHO, the savings in weight are no where near enough to offset the increased risk of tipping, not to mention how flimsy that hoist linkage appears... any amount of side slope and that boy is SOL!
Bullshit learn to drive and tip properly , even with a full chassis a 40 Ft tipping trailer WILL overbalance just as easy. remember that the outter width of the Trailer tires is about 8 Ft but the CG at full tip can very easily be outside that line resulting in a trailer falling sideways, so simply don't tip on soft or uneven ground and you won't have an issue will you. I dumped Gravel like this for years and never extended to full height as there is no need. Tip to 45 Deg and give the trailer a little jerk backward and tap the brakes gravel will slide out like you would not believe.
Frameless is the only way to go. If I get stuck and there's nobody to push me or pull me out I can usually inch worm my way out with a frameless trailer and I've done it more times than I can count. Pull the tractor brake, stand the trailer up, release the tractor brake and pull the trailer brake and set the trailer down. Another thing is to have a liner, especially when hauling dirt. That helps get the load out easier and keeps material from getting stuck in the nose of the trailer.
In the UK our axles all stay on the floor and the body lifts separate to the bed usuall load is 28 to 30 ton depending on unit trailer combi were allowed 44 ton max gross weight what are you guys allowed as your gross weight and how much do your loads usually weigh
Great job 👍🏾 but dumping like that can cause you to roll it. Due to the fact you locked the tractor brakes in stead of the trailer. Just saying is all. I use it in a landfill and all you need is one soft spot and all you can do is call the wrecker. And I haul steel on concrete pavement and I can tell you I still see them roll. Stay safe out there driver and keep the rubber side down 👍🏾
alil history... those trailers were origannaly made for hauling corn wheat ect... in the mid west years ago.. i have seen one tip over huling sand ! it only takes a large clump up tat the top to stick. the diver dont see it and BAM! over it goes.. Hopefully no one id hurt and the 5th wheel breaks away but... i'v seen alot of thos trucks get totaled....
our 22 tonnes arrive on a tandem axel dump truck..he drove up dumped it and went in like 10 mins..simples ..and his truck was small enough to get down the lane...this thing is a joke anywhere else in the world..looks nice though.
looks as if yanks hate chasis frame trailers ,when it comes to heavy work as tippertrailers would rather work with a strong chasis , bute admire the way of looking to safe weight regards from holland
looks scary as hell, and cant be good for the suspention on the axle taking all the load from the trailer. is there anyone using dump semis with sliding axles over there?:)
hi,i drive dumper semi in hungary,europe.we hauling 36-42 ton,80000-93000lbs the truck and rigid framed dump trailer empty wt:13,5 t=30000lbs.naturally the official wt limit in hungary 89000lbs.more load,more money!the truck 1 drive axle,trailer 3 axle airspring.today hauling 4x38t 84500lbs basalt rock,colas rock mine to little asphalt factory.from 50 miles.the truck 14 litres in line 6 cyl,400hp 28 years old,but good conditions.wide road everybody!
Looks fine but these end dumps roll over when the load sticks and the truck is not dumping on absolutely level ground. The heavy load way up in the air at the front just torques the whole trailer onto its side and destroys it.
Dozer driver doesn't have the smarts to realise the trucks all bank up at the loading end, whether they be waiting for their turn to load or waiting for a loader full stop. Quarries don't necessarily have a loader sitting at your desired stockpile, waiting for you to drive in, they have other trucks to load and other work to do. There then could be a hold up waiting for your turn on a weigh bridge, causing the trucks to back up again and that's why they arrive within minutes of each other.
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I was driving one of those in the UK over 40 years ago. It was made by Hoyner, they also made car transporters. No more likely to fall over than any other artic tipper. I loved it, if you got bogged, you could 'walk' it out by alternatively braking the trailer and unit individually.
Very inpractical
I know the feeling with truck drivers. When I'm paving big lots and having alot of trucks running we start out with them all split up in the morning but by the afternoon I got 20 semis pulling in all at the same time, never fails. Lol. They are good guys, I just like pulling their leg from time to time.
I can't count how many times I've seen these go over
I was always wanted to see one of these up close, because I never got to see how they worked before. THANKS!
Great vid. Always fun to watch your stuff. .
I admire the way he dumped .. Lock the trailer, pull the tractor, lock the tractor, pull the trailer, then creep forward.
They're built really strong! Haha. My grandfather loaded one day and started leaving the mine after he loaded and the rear axle fell off
Wow that's so unstable. You gotta make sure you are damn good and level with one of those. Couldn't use it in cold environments where dirt might stick to one side or the other. I'm a heavy equipment operator, and I've had wagons tip right beside me when they were not quite level, and they are full frame quads. I can't imagine how many of these would be tipping working in the same enviroment.
I can remember back in the 80's going out on job sites and dumping where the job supervisor was telling me to dump as a driver you were supposed to listen to them yet ive been out on some jobs and the supervisor guiding me into powerlines and having to set in the cab and not jump out until an emerg3crew came out and removed the power line from my trailer, i got were i would tell them if its not safe dont do it yet they would just tell me i had to do what ever they said, i think they have changed that by now.
Now show one tipping over side-ways....
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Why?
Awesome Chris, love your cometary lol.
Why is everyone acting so surprised about this trailer? They have been around for a good 10 years already... I see a few of them everyday.
Man one bad thing about this type of setup is you CANNOT use it on unlevel ground, that trailer way up in the air will flip the whole rig over.
That is one nice kenworth!!!!!!
Looks like the truck I just watch tip over while dumping rocks in another video. I've never seen a frameless dump trailer, so I had to look it up and came across this video.
what a powerful machine
nice job!
I'll go with the tried and true design thanks
I'd be like, " Yeah , speaking of holding hands. After I dumped another load at your place on the way over here. Your girl held my hand, leaving . By the way you're out if cereal " 😂😂😂
It seems like there would be a lot of stress on the last axle, and the studs
Not sure that I'd be dumping under those power lines either. The old adage "Look Up and Live " comes to mind.
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W900 I love those kenworth framless trailers are the best kind but hell to dump it the grounds uneven
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I don't know if I like this over a tri-axle. I guess if this is all you have in the fleet it makes sense. Sweet looking rig nonetheless. Love the low sides
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I see alot of opinions below from people who have never used a frameless. Awesome source of info there.
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Care to try that again because that makes no sense.
If you pay attention, the trailer brakes are locked, the truck brakes are not on. The trailer pulls the truck as much as it needs.
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i just had an idea! take a telescopic piston like that and put a bag on the end, and BAM! you have the worlds most redicolous lift-kit suspension
We have had these type of trailers for at least the last 30 years, except they are all tri axles, which is norn on all types of trailers in australia
We use these for grain but we call the 'tip over axle' in a road train we will haul up to 80 tons of grain
my granpops had a trailer like this on a double drive TK Bedford 330 man that thing could pull.Straight pipe too
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I've used tipping trailers like that one and didn't like them one little bit. One good gust of wind from the side and they fall over. I've never heard of them called a frameless trailer though. Here in Oz, most people call them TOA trailers - ( Tip Over Axle )
Boy, id say your right about getting blown over! The wind here gusts an awful lot. Im guessing the insurance would be crazy high too.
This setup is so sexy. I want that W9 and trailer!
@andrzejtrucker a frameless trailer is less stable then a framed trailer. namely because only one axle is on the ground while dumping.
depending on the size of the tractor and the amount of dirt and mud on the truck, empty the entire rig weighs between 27,000 and 30,000 lbs
Glad we have GINAF in holland !
That thing goes up high!
yeah those guys come in our yard n load sand out east ...work out in big sand mine east of city....I get to run the bucket once in a while ...
AWESOME!!!
I can see many bad things that could happen with that setup. (very dangerous equipment for sure)
Wayne Rogers yes sir u right
@Ls7colorado Its a hydraulic pump under the tractor the hydraulic tank is right there behind the cab.
I i have 12 years driving framless end dump and maybe 2 o 3 times almost i dropped the trailer so its not so bad!!!!
Do you go through a lot more tires on the back axles because of the load weight resting on them so fully like that? Just wondering...i dont drive, so i dont have a clue!
I see this guy around wendell all the time
We call it a TOA (Tip Over Axle or Cantilever tipper, ours are mostly tri axle) they save weight but you need to be careful, this guy is an accident waiting to go over.
Hold the hand piece and walk the truck till the end of the 2nd stage on the hoist then release it and at the same time put a bit of pressure on the foot brake and pull the trailer in and it leaves a neat pile (this is a mess), only thing is the brakes need to be in good condition so both sides release at the same time otherwise the trailer can twist and go over. Better on airbags as the bags drop and the tip axle sits on rubbers, if on springs you need to be a bit more careful. If the ground is soft then lift the trailer till the tip axle is the only one on the ground and wheel roll it while watching that the ground is all level: if the truck is on soft ground then you can only walk the trailer. The best way is with all the brakes off but it's rarely an option.
nice rig
Isn’t it cute. Do they make them in adult size, that one only has 18 wheels. Love from Australia 🇦🇺
I actually like my frameless East trailer I used to pull...Most of the places I hauled were pretty level anyway...
My husband had one of those trailers fall on the cab of his truck in a landfill.
Such a great design! Its got so many advantages over conventional dump trucks. I don't know if the design is new, but I'm suprised you dont see more of these setups on the road than regular dump trucks... maybe regular dump trucks will be outdated someday? Either way nice vid, keep doing what you love Chris!
don't blame you standing well away from it
@vlasktom
Not necessarily a frame less end dump is more stable there is a debate on a Fourm can't member which one but it has to do when the framed end dump is in the air if it begins to wobble even a lil itll come down due to the frame as where the arms on the frameless end dump bend with it to keep it stable but to me the center point and full stance frameless end dump are most stave hands down
I do it all the time its like everything you gotta becarefull...
Come up to longisland/ NYC n haul 60ton gross on 6axle around here ....Fun allday long
Those are cool trailers but rather dangerous for the inexperienced
@Ls7colorado Probably a hydraulic pump underneath the tractor
WOW. I hope this design takes off for all the dirt dummys out there. Im buying a new wrecker just on the hope...
i am not in trucking but 22 tonnes seems suitable for 4 axle dumpers EU standard. but think it is easier and better at tipping sideways :) like Australians do on their road trains :)
Did he ever look up for the "Power Lines" up above? !?
Lol why did you put power lines in quotes?
Obviously he did. Not everybody is stupid and bad at their job
Nice
So that's a bit over 36T, that seems like a lot of tractor unit for not a lot of capacity, the artics here can weigh 44T / 96800lbs combined, although they can only drag one trailer so I suppose it's swings and roundabouts! Thanks for the reply by the way.
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That was certainly interesting to see such a trailer, I wonder if it's easier to put that kind of rig on the side compare to a trailer with a frame and could anyone tell me what's the weight of an empty rig in that configuration?
Should be around 35-40k. Maybe a bit less with the fancy trailer. High side end dumps w/ drop & 4 axle tractor little over 40k
There good cause it's a lot lighter then a chassie tipper, less tare weight more payload
My buddy over at New York Sand & Stone in Brooklyn puts 100k+ into tri axles
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It's an ongoing battle with dump drivers and operators. I've had an operator tell me the difference between a dump driver and a jack ass is the length of thier ears
I'd been dumped and gone by the time he got it up, that took way too long
Some men take longer to get it up, dont judge.
He did the entire dump with the engine idling
With the length of the trailer. The fact that its frame less, next to power lines and very clean id say this guy takes care of his equipment. Measure twice cut once
-Speed kills
wow, no frame looks scary!
IMHO, the savings in weight are no where near enough to offset the increased risk of tipping, not to mention how flimsy that hoist linkage appears... any amount of side slope and that boy is SOL!
Bullshit learn to drive and tip properly , even with a full chassis a 40 Ft tipping trailer WILL overbalance just as easy. remember that the outter width of the Trailer tires is about 8 Ft but the CG at full tip can very easily be outside that line resulting in a trailer falling sideways, so simply don't tip on soft or uneven ground and you won't have an issue will you. I dumped Gravel like this for years and never extended to full height as there is no need. Tip to 45 Deg and give the trailer a little jerk backward and tap the brakes gravel will slide out like you would not believe.
Frameless is the only way to go. If I get stuck and there's nobody to push me or pull me out I can usually inch worm my way out with a frameless trailer and I've done it more times than I can count. Pull the tractor brake, stand the trailer up, release the tractor brake and pull the trailer brake and set the trailer down. Another thing is to have a liner, especially when hauling dirt. That helps get the load out easier and keeps material from getting stuck in the nose of the trailer.
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looks like a very unstable combination..ready to make a fool of any driver
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Looks much more stable than a typical dump semi configuration.
How do hydrologics works like how much pressure is need to lift that that’s so wild
well that is different ..really cool tho
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aint no feelin", like end dump mobilin" !!!!!!!
In the UK our axles all stay on the floor and the body lifts separate to the bed usuall load is 28 to 30 ton depending on unit trailer combi were allowed 44 ton max gross weight what are you guys allowed as your gross weight and how much do your loads usually weigh
I wouldn't want to bust a stuck load out of that thing, that's for sure. Dry goods only!
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Great job 👍🏾 but dumping like that can cause you to roll it. Due to the fact you locked the tractor brakes in stead of the trailer. Just saying is all. I use it in a landfill and all you need is one soft spot and all you can do is call the wrecker. And I haul steel on concrete pavement and I can tell you I still see them roll. Stay safe out there driver and keep the rubber side down 👍🏾
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You unloaded next to power lines?
alil history... those trailers were origannaly made for hauling corn wheat ect... in the mid west years ago.. i have seen one tip over huling sand ! it only takes a large clump up tat the top to stick. the diver dont see it and BAM! over it goes.. Hopefully no one id hurt and the 5th wheel breaks away but... i'v seen alot of thos trucks get totaled....
our 22 tonnes arrive on a tandem axel dump truck..he drove up dumped it and went in like 10 mins..simples ..and his truck was small enough to get down the lane...this thing is a joke anywhere else in the world..looks nice though.
looks as if yanks hate chasis frame trailers ,when it comes to heavy work as tippertrailers would rather work with a strong chasis , bute admire the way of looking to safe weight regards from holland
One of the nastiest trailers ever made I think they should never have made them they fall way too easy
looks scary as hell, and cant be good for the suspention on the axle taking all the load from the trailer.
is there anyone using dump semis with sliding axles over there?:)
I agree
I wouldn't do so under that f*** high - Voltage line.
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+Carl Napp DUDE YOU HAVE GOT TO THINK ABOUT HOW FAR U ARE TO YOUR SURRONDINGS
+Michael Wood looks close but I've done worse in an excavator. loaded a conveyor on a flat bed between 2 250kv transmission lines
@@Deere2154D I've sat on the transmission lines ain't that bad
80,000lb combined weight limit, with 34,000lbs allowed per set of tandems.
he is gonna get an arc from the high voltage stuff overhead,
can't unless the wire is severed or damaged in some way
You cant have a arc from that far away... lmao
hi,i drive dumper semi in hungary,europe.we hauling 36-42 ton,80000-93000lbs the truck and rigid framed dump trailer empty wt:13,5 t=30000lbs.naturally the official wt limit in hungary 89000lbs.more load,more money!the truck 1 drive axle,trailer 3 axle airspring.today hauling 4x38t 84500lbs basalt rock,colas rock mine to little asphalt factory.from 50 miles.the truck 14 litres in line 6 cyl,400hp 28 years old,but good conditions.wide road everybody!
Convenient to grease the trailer brakes with it in the dumped position..haha
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surprised the rear tires didn't blow out
What weight can those trailers axles take and what is the max recommended load.?
That's a 80k set up so should be able to legally payload 40-45k depending on how much the trailer weighs.
Looks fine but these end dumps roll over when the load sticks and the truck is not dumping on absolutely level ground. The heavy load way up in the air at the front just torques the whole trailer onto its side and destroys it.
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+Thomas Nixon that's what mirrors are for.
What happens if the load hangs up high in the trailer.
Say bye-bye to your trailer
Is that truck yours and did you buy that cat loader?
Sweet Kenworth, not a fan of the frameless dump tho. At the end of the day they were designed to save on weight so I guess it is a give and take.
Dozer driver doesn't have the smarts to realise the trucks all bank up at the loading end, whether they be waiting for their turn to load or waiting for a loader full stop. Quarries don't necessarily have a loader sitting at your desired stockpile, waiting for you to drive in, they have other trucks to load and other work to do. There then could be a hold up waiting for your turn on a weigh bridge, causing the trucks to back up again and that's why they arrive within minutes of each other.
ìt looks like alot og mechanic too do this when ist more simple with the other system??