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Mrs Flood seems to be cosplaying as companions. She tends to wear a shirt and grey jumper identical to the one Clara was wearing when she died, and the white fluffy costume is very similar to the one Romana wore in her first appearance.
She wears all these outfits to get you all arguing over which one you think it is, its intentional to confuse you. It is none of these characters. Its purely to drum up hype. Don't fall for it lol, she'll be as disappointing as every "reveal" in this season
just a random thought about the 73 yard perception filter thing... sutekh would've seen the doctor disappear in that episode (they weren't very far from the tardis when it happened). perhaps he realised that the tardis wouldn't be going anywhere anytime soon and decided to tag along with ruby instead (whether it was his form or some sort of avatar/drone/whatever). it's possible that having clung to the tardis for so long that he might've absorbed some of the effects of the perception filter so you could only see him once outside the filter's range. so perhaps ppl's reaction to ruby when looking at her after talking to old ruby was because they were outside the range of the filter and could suddenly see sutekh clinging to ruby. when she goes back to the tardis as an old woman, sutekh could've jump back over to the tardis, knowing that she was going to die soon and he wasn't gonna get the answers he was looking for... which would be why ruby never saw sutekh hanging off old ruby
The Toymaker actually mentions “he who waits” to Tennant as someone he to afraid to play against. Toymaker saw him hiding and ran. So I’m guess Sutekh can absolutely dust other gods.
All the places that the Doctor mentioned having been to: 1999 in the TV Movie (1996) 1066 in _The Time Meddler_ (1965) 2005 in _Rose_ (2005) Venus, presumably where the 3rd Doctor learnt his Venusian Aikido. Telos, first seen in _The Tomb of the Cybermen_ (1967) Karn, near Gallifrey, first seen in _The Brain of Morbius_ (1976) The Ood Sphere, first seen in _Planet of the Ood_ (2008) Skaro, planet of the Daleks since 1963. Vortis, planet of the Zarbi in _The Web Planet_ (1965) Tigella, a jungle planet seen in _Meglos_ (1980) Vox... maybe keep an eye out for it in future? Messaline, in _The Doctor's Daughter_ (2008) Calufrax, a segment of the Key to Time disguised as a planet in _The Pirate Planet_ (1978) Spiridon, seen in _Planet of the Daleks_ (1973) Shan Shen, home of the fortune teller in _Turn Left_ (2008)
Small note: The first or second Doctor must have learned Venusian aikido at some point, but third's personality made him desire to use it more frequently. Three could never have gone to Venus, since he was stuck on earth (almost - the three doctors being an exception) the whole time.
Not all those places were infected by Susan Triads though. Only AFTER pyramids of Mars, which means... There's a servant of Sutekh in E-space, too. Maybe still lurking, not having got the message. Not to easy crossing over to that place, after all.
@AndrewHalliwell Nah, he's almost certainly visited all of those places more than once (not even bothering to check expanded media for that one). Everything has a sequel.
I reckon all those planets he would have visited before the events of Pyramids of Mars have probably all been revisited in audio dramas and later episodes. For example, Telos was visited by the 5th Doctor too
Ruby's story definitely isn't over, especially considering the snow. Even at the end, it was snowing when Mrs. Flood was on the roof, despite it being around June or July.
1066 is a famous year in the UK, hence why the Time Meddler used it too, because of the Battle of Hastings, which is noteworthy but perhaps overemphasised in our education, it's seared into all of our heads a significant year
It is more to do with the coincidence of 66 in English history. 1066 the battle of Hastings. 1666 the great fire of London. 1966 England wins the world cup.
@@OneTrueScotsman It's not as famous in Scotland? I don't know anything about how much it is taught about but I imagined it would still be well known north of the border.
I’d like them to at least watch the episodes with the doctor in from Sarah Jane adventures there’s a two parter with David Tennant and a two parter with Matt smith
It was Sutekh who picked up the 12th Doctor’s chalk and wrote the word “Listen” on the blackboard in the Tardis. He was the “silent passenger” the Doctor was theorising about. The mystery has finally been solved. 😊
So as someone has pointed out - Mrs. Flood outfits resemble stuff we have seen some companions wear - like Clara's outfit in Twice Upon a Time/Face the Raven or even Romana's white fur. I wonder if we could connect some other outfits as well. It could be a fun reference or just coincidence though.
The Time Medler is the first time we meet another Time Lord (though they weren't called that yet, they were just someone else with a Tardis at the time) It's also just an iconic and fun First Doctor story.
THANKS for this, Blind Wave!!! Finally, an American reactor who knows what the Memory TARDIS is, yay for Melanie!!!!! Thanks for being loyal Whovians!!!! "The TARDIS provides!" There were a lot of stretches in this one--such as Ruby's mother pointing to CCTV cameras. And if I have to figure that out it means the script is too wibbly-wobbly.
They mysteryed up Ruby's mum a bit too much. Why was she wearing that hood. If it's supposed to be Manchester in 2004, she would be wearing a puffer bomber jacket, not a scottish widows hood.
That's your biggest issue? Why could Ruby make it snow? Why did no DNA exist throughout all time and space that matched her until suddenly it just did? Why was the Mystro scared of her? What was 74 Yards even about? Who was Ruby's mum pointing the sign out to and why does she point at things like such a creep? Also unrelated to Ruby, but if Sutekh's plan in Pyramids of Mars was all just so he could stop sitting on a chair, couldn't he think of a new scheme that didn't require he spend hundreds of years sitting on top of a police box?
I’m choosing to believe Ruby and her mum were caught up in a mega perception filter when the malfunctioning possessed tardis landed causing her mum to be hard to find the hood etc the point memory change was another image projected by the tardis as a clue and Ruby to manifest snow and music as a perception filter. The doctor travelling to the church to find caused the mystery in the first place wibbly wobbly. I’m coping hard lol
@@bobson3014 Apparently yes. The night she was dropped off on ruby road is a powerful and delicate moment in time, and the Doctor was able to identify it as such because it kept snowing. The DNA clearly existed in 2046. If you’re questioning how Unit was able to find her… they’re Unit. A TV show does not have the same resources as an organization called the Unified Intelligence Taskforce. Maestro was only scared of the One Who Waits. Upon hearing the music, Maestro says “He couldn’t have been there.” Which (as we now know) he was. Isolation, mainly. The Doctor, presumably. Or just herself being overly emotional as a 15 year old who is leaving her child behind. He evolved to Godhood, I’m pretty sure one tends to shift their priorities a bit when that happens.
I’m choosing to believe Ruby and her mum were caught up in a mega perception filter when the malfunctioning possessed tardis landed causing her mum to be hard to find the hood etc the point memory change was another image projected by the tardis as a clue and Ruby to manifest snow and music as a perception filter. The doctor travelling to the church to find caused the mystery in the first place wibbly wobbly. I’m coping hard lol
I dont think that could fool Sutekh. At that point he was super strong. He made a whole human being and used the perception filter itself. The whole issue is that sutekh himself with all his power couldnt see her face, there was no match for rubys mom in all the dna databanks until there was?, etc
@@JP-zb3yb as part of the tardis and perception filter the more sutekh brooded and obsessed over the myster the stronger it got to the point it was spread out through time itself like Susan. The implication is that they DID find a match for rubys mums dna but the perception filter again made it look like it didn’t even staring right at a match on a computer screen it would still look like nothing came up. Only Ruby herself could see anything on the screen and even then it didn’t make sense and she didn’t understand what it was saying, Only once sutekh was defeated was the filter lifted and unit could find her 🤷🏼♂️
@Look_Over_There then how do they find a match before sutekh is defeated? I dont think this is how the perception filter works at all, youre overestimating its power. Sutekh made a being in every space time named susan and used the perception filter to make it harder to notice, because thats what it does. It doesnt outright hide things once you're attention is on it.
"And above all stands the Mother and The Father and the Other ..." in this I am pretty sure that Sutekh is considered the OTHER. Mother and Father representing birth and family , Sutekh as Death. . The one who waits is 1000% Sutekh because he was clinging to the Tardis for this entire time "waiting" LOL
The Other, huh? You know who else has been referred to as The Other? ... Well nobody I guess since that storyline was scrapped when the show was cancelled in 89, but it would have been The Doctor. So logically... Sutekh is... the Doctor!!!
RTD has said Millie Gibson will be back as Ruby in the next season, but as @markdale4538 wrote earlier, there will be a new/additional companion played by Varada Sethu (there was a set leak last year). Varada Sethu not only played Mundy Flynn in Boom, she played the rebel Cinta Kaz in Andor.
I do wish that during the episode there was an offhand reference to Traken or another previously destroyed planet being back to leave the door open on what was fixed. (Gallifrey, The Flux, etc). It would have been especially nice since the Doctor's guilt over the Flux was so firmly established in the 60th specials.
i hightly doubt thats what happend, the Death to Death thing only affected things actually killed by Sutrekh, it didnt just completely remove death. that be starnge cause then everyone who died lives again
Goddamn I hope they didn't fix gallifrey or the Flux. Gallifrey because it was already destroyed twice, we don't need to have it back and it would cheapen the time war arc. The Flux for similar reason, it's the only other major destructive event we've seen and it shouldn't be cheapened. For once I wish the show would stick to the consequences of events.
One reason to have _not_ have watched the special edited Pyramids on Mars episode they put together before the finale is that the Memory Tardis was revealed early. I thought the mini Tardis was _adorable_ . Any blanket/pillow fort kid with an imagination has spent times in a cocoon like that. ❤
the tales of the tardis have been coming out leading up to the 60th anniversary and I watched most. I happened to NOT watch the recent pyramids of mars tales of the tardis one but when I saw the memory tardis in the finale I was so happy to see it!
I get the sentiment of the whole Ruby mystery, and I do like the message it gives, but I feel like the only reason I thought she was important was because her being important was a plot point that was being forced down my throat for the entire season. If she was introduced like any other companion, I wouldn't have put any thought into her being special at all... I feel like there are still so many questions to ask about Ruby, none of which would paint her as "normal".
Agreed. Whether she's normal or special, either would have been fine, but they tried to do both somehow, and it just ended up a mess of contradictions.
@@Jim_The_Fish I agree with you. But trying to think about how RTD told that story, I think what matters is not that we, the audience, thinks she is important, but that the character in the story do think she is important. We tend to see it at a meta level, but if you take this plot as it is and withouth thinking about any commentary : the Doctor was wondering what pushed this woman to leave her child on the night of christmas. It intrigued him and by extension, it intrigued Sutekh. When the Doctor asks Ruby about her origin and her mother, this is when the snow stats falling for the first time. The Doctor gave power to that memory. And from there, all kind of weird things starts to happen, like memories are changing, or the mother's power by pointing to the sign made the priest think about Ruby for her name, etc.. Proof of the fact that the Doctor is the one giving power to Ruby is that in 73 Yards, when the Doctor disappear, old Ruby said "it never snowed again [since the Doctor left]". I pretty much think this is what happened, in RTD's head. But it still is clunky. (And I don't understand why the mother is wearing such a hood....)
@@Kwev Yeah but the character doesnt feel like shes important, all the way through the season. She only starts thinking shes special because all of the non realistic parts russel puts in there to make her special like the snow, like having her being all mysterious and invisible.
@@charg1nmalaz0r51 I'm not sure I understand what you mean or if you just didn't understand what I wrote. In context of the episode, RTD do not exist. The people who gave Ruby and her mother powers are The Doctor and Sutekh. By wondering why they are so special, they became special. Like a self-fulfilling prophecy. To tie even more things together : - The Doctor thought Ruby was important because he has a lot in common with Ruby AND the Goblins were after her. So if Ruby is important, he starts to ask himself why would she be ? And why would somone abandonned this important girl during Christmas night. At that moment, Ruby and her mother are nothing special, yet. They have no power at all. Because all of this was.... YET ANOTHER COINCIDENCE that Goblins like so much. But the Doctor doesn't know that. So, by thinking Ruby and her mother are important, it gave them power. If you rewatch the episodes, the Snow and Ruby's Power only starts to appear during Space Babies, when the Doctor asks Ruby why she is so special. That's the moment Ruby starts making snow and has power. That's the moment memory starts changing. But the Doctor thought she was special because of a pure coincidence.
The Trickster is a recurring villian in The Sarah Jane Adventures and appears in the following episode: 1x07/1x08 What Ever Happened to Sarah Jane? 2x09/2x10 The Temptation of Sarah Jane 3x05/3x06 The Wedding of Sarah Jane (it is mentioned that The Trickster is apart of The Pantheon of Discord and that the Doctor had heard of them but never met) While I'm listing episodes I recommend watching the series 4 episode Death of the Doctor and the special the cast did during 2020 called Farewell, Sarah Jane which was written by RTD
I wouldn't be surprised if Mrs. Flood is Missy and somehow regenerated (I know, she lost her regenerations but this is Doctor Who we're talking about) after being released from the Toymakers tooth.
It feels like RTD is intentionally trolling long time fans by giving Mrs Flood lines & costumes reminiscent of multiple old contradictory characters all at once
Cold logic = the Rani; dominate heaven = the Master/Missy; Clara callbacks ("clever boy"/"Raven" grey jumper); white parka = Romana. There may be others, but these were the most obvious to me.
Regarding 1066, the Time Meddler is the first serial when another of the Doctor's race featured in Doctor Who, the Monk is a Time Lord, although they weren't named back then and his race was still a mystery. Besides, the Monk was also referenced earlier in the season in "Space Babies" when the Doctor was giving examples of Time Lord titles becoming names to Ruby explaining why he is called "the Doctor". If you ask me, I think we might see the Monk further down the line or maybe RTD is simply just a "Monk" fan and likes to reference him, although he wasn't referenced at all in Series 1-4 with Eccleston and Tennant.
Unlike Eric, the Ruby making snow thing did bother me cause it feels like such an empty tease. Good episode but so much of the finality of the mysteries was a letdown
when it comes to doctor who and most sci-fi franchises, I've always been a themes > lore type of gal, so this finale worked so well for me, as much of an anti-climax the ruby mom reveal was. this season really was a return to form for the series, really looking forward to more seasons with Ncuti.
The end of it with Mrs Flood .. Is gearing it up for a Christmas special ❄️. iI think she is the White Guardian.. The terror could be the Black Guardian.. This is from past lore
Is it possible Mrs Flood is somehow the "Master Mind" from the 2nd Doctor's story "The Mind Robber"? It's like she is telling a story about the Doctor, but Sutekh got in the way but once he was destroyed could go back to creating the Doctor's story. We have also had mention of something from each of the early Doctor's eras other then the 2nd. Susan and Celestrial Toymaker from the 1st Doctor, brigadier and UNIT from 3rd, Sutekh from 4th. I might be stretching things but I'm looking a little out of the box.
He was called The Master Of The Land Of Fiction, and turned out to be a random human who was freed. But also Sutekh wasn't sent into the time vortex at the end of Pyramids Of Mars and RTD just misunderstood the storyline, so who knows
@@strbourne it was actually a computer that had trapped the human in the Land of Fiction causing the human to mentally create things. The computer mind wanted the Doctor to take over because the Doctor could live for ever and the computer could bring what was fiction into the real world. So my "wild and probably not true" theory is when the Tardis in the Mind Robber was in pieces and wasn't put back together until the computer mind was destroyed. What if like malware the computer mind ended up being installed into the Tardis and when we had the creation of the two Tardises due to the bi-regeneration the malware "woke up" creating the memory Tardis where now it can capture the stories past companions and Doctor's are reminiscing about. So how would this effect Mrs. Flood? What if she's the first human to have touched the Tardis other then the Doctor "infecting" her with the computer mind of the land of fiction. When Mrs Flood wanted to know where this thing sitting on the sidewalk came from being nosey touched it. And being human can get dusted. I like the theory of Mrs Flood being the God of Stories but can a God become dust? So I'm just putting out another weird possibility.
RTD said they cut down to 8 episodes so that they can have yearly season releases!! so no more waiting 2+ years for the foreseeable future,, we’re gonna be getting consistent 8 episodes yearly, and then a christmas special on top of that
I just wanna know why the memory changed in Space Babies. I’d be okay if she did the dramatic pointing from the start, but the memory changed, and she wasn’t pointing in the original one. So what changed the memory? And how does Ruby make it snow?
@@user-gj9uq3kb7y I thought so at first but with the way Doctor Who is, I'm going to bet that Mrs. Flood is Missy after being released from the Toymasters tooth
I enjoyed the season and this episode overall. Was a little peeved at all the specialness of Ruby being explained away as Sutekh being so stumped that it made the moment special. It seems like funny commentary at how we all do that, find something so small and insignificant that utterly steals our attention away from our goals. I also think Sutekh sitting around the Tardis as it explodes in The Big Bang is absolutely hilarious. The scene where Ruby meets her mom is so beautiful though and makes the episode.
I feel like the Doctor HAS to go look for Susan now, right? Maybe for the Christmas special? They teased her so many times this season, and at the end when he told Ruby it would be best just to leave her birth mother alone, but Ruby ignored him and proved him wrong… surely that has to be a sign that he should also try to reconnect with his granddaughter! I just hope they don’t kick the Susan can down the road too long, Carole Ann Ford is already 84 years old…
i disagree, just let carol ann ford enjoy her retirement in peace , please dont let her final apperance as susan be asscoiated with tbe crappy disney brand dr who but rather be remembered by older fans who have fond memories of watching dr who in the 60's_
I just had a thought about this episode. There was one aspect of the tardis that was talked about a LOT this season. The perception filter. After all... it has a range of exactly 73 yards. Anyways, the Tardis was the one essentially filtering Ruby's mom's face. Why? Well, it was mirroring Ruby's inner feelings. Ruby felt cursed. Like she was destined to never know her real mother. Well... the Tardis just reflected that by erasing her mom from their perception. It just so happened that Sutekh also saw her mom's face being erased and was like "What the fuck? How can this be? I'm a God! There is nothing I shouldn't be able to see." So, all of this mystery surrounding her mom all stemmed from Ruby's trauma. Ruby's mom wasn't special... except to Ruby, she was. Thus, the Tardis reflected that and made us all see a mysterious hooded figure that pointed like a bizarre creep. It made us think she was special too. It messed with our perception. Ruby's feelings of being abandoned were so powerful that the perception filter even tricked a God. There's something kind of cool about human emotion being so powerful.
Was excited to see your reactions for this season and I haven’t been disappointed! I’m not totally sold on the ‘mystery box’ style of writing for the whole season as I feel that some of the reasons and explanations for things that happen feel a bit glib and ‘shoe-horned’ in, but I have to say that some of the individual episodes have been some of the most interesting - and bravest ideas in recent years - Boom through Dot and Bubble particularly! I did find the finale a bit unsatisfying initially, but that’s really grown on me after a couple of viewings, although I LOVED the scenes of Sutekh mentally chipping away at Mel’s defences and The Doctor’s scene with ‘The Kind Woman’. I could be completely wrong about this, but I strongly get the sense that Russel T Davies has introduced many concepts this year designed to give the middle finger to the haters who have been loud in their objections to having Ncuti Gatwa as an openly Gay actor and also Being Black (Dot and Bubble being particularly forceful about this) and I applaud the programme for being brave enough to call out those prejudices. In that respect, it’s reinforced the show’s Credo from the very beginning - a ‘dislike for the unlike’ is never a good look! Thank you so much and can’t wait for next season!
Weird, I'm the opposite. Loved the season, mostly liked the finale, but hated the way they handled Ruby's ending. Her mother just being a normal human makes no sense given all the wibbly-wobbliness and mysterious phenomena around her and her mother's memory.
28:50 just to clear things up, here in the UK we use a mix of imperial and metric units. It seems to be a bit of a generational thing, most young people only use the metric system (except for maybe height or weight) whilst the older generations are more likely to use the old imperial units.
The Toymaker had made the Master his gold tooth. At the end of that episode it showed the tooth on the ground. Perhaps Ms. Flood is the Master coming out of that experience.
I hope it *isn't* The Master because it seems too obvious; there were some Timelord name drops in Space Babies (The Bishop, The Conquistador, The Pedant and Sagi-Shi) maybe Ms. Flood is one of them (or all of them?)
@@cerberus01You are right there is an unexpected twist, Just a shame them twists are terrible, Not earned and make no sense lol, I’m expecting Mrs Flood to just be a normal old lady now lol
@@cerberus01 Not if it is Missy in a Mask like Saxon Master. like specifically Missy and we find out the regeneration order is Saxon, Spymaster and Missy. To me this what makes this theory twist more twisty than just the Master.
New companion was the female soldier in Boom now playing a different character. The distant question. 76 yards, It is the point where clarity becomes blurred. 😊
The Doctor definitely feels more human with Ncuti's range of emotions shining through, especially compared to previous Doctors that felt a little more Alien with less emotions or odd ways to reacting to situations that would draw out emotions in humans. Dragging the puppy through the time vortex felt very Doctor Who. Epic, but goofy. In the UK, anyone mentions 1066, you think of the Battle of Hastings. See you again for more Doctor Who in December for the Christmas Special, 2024. Unless you can watch the behind the scenes stuff from this season.
At some point if RTD doesn't get the show cancelled first, another showrunner might pick it up or it could be in a book or audio drama, bit hold your breath to see anything soon. RTD has already dropped that toy and waddled over to the next thing.
We have met most of the Pantheon already. We've met: The Trickster The Celestial Toymaker The Maestro The Beast (10th Doctor story) Sutekh The Mara (Fifth Doctor Story) There is still a few we haven't met yet but they may have been previously mentioned in the past.
Wait, hold up. So Sutekh has clung on to the TARDIS since he met the 4th Doctor way back when. So... what happened when 15 split the TARDIS in two back during his and Tennants episode? Are there two Sutekh's now, or did he just correctly guess which on to hitch a ride on?
i understand if its dificulte to get but id love to see you guys react to some of the other tales of the tardis episodes or the remastered version of the daleks
46:15 - Re: the whole 1066 conversation, the Doctor has been WAY further back in earth's history than 1066. In the show alone (disregarding Big Finish audio dramas, comics, etc.), The Doctor has been all the way back to pre-historic earth. The first episode of the 1st Doctor's first serial (Doctor Who actual episode 1) had him go back to the Stone Age and see cavemen. In Space Babies, he took Ruby back even before that to see dinosaurs (where she stepped on a butterfly). The 10th Doctor & Donna went back even before that and saw the creation of the earth in Runaway Bride. Further back, 11th Doctor took Amy to the first planet that ever existed and found a "Hello Sweetie" note from River carved into its cliffside. He's been back before the big bang, according to the 10th Doctor in The Satan Pit - he said he tried to see what was there before the big bang happened, but it was just black and empty. So yeah, 1066 is practically the present compared to how far back he's been. 1066 is just one of the most - if not *the* most - important date in English history. It's the English Equivalent of saying "1776" to an American. I think that's why they made a big deal about the date itself and the Doctor having gone there and less to do with the actual TV serial The Time Meddler. But it could come into more play next season, we'll see.
Given all the old companions that have come back and how many times DT has come back, I think it’s about time they bring Jenny back. She’s had a bunch of audio stories, it would be interesting to incorporate those stories for fans of big finish. She could be in torchwood. I want her to return even more than the trickster, seems like the perfect time to bring him in with the whole focus on gods, and his history with the doctor.
Big Finish time, they have a character called Lucie (Louise) Miller, she was in a relationship with William Foreman, (Susan's son). In a timey way Ruby could be the Doctors Great Great Granddaughter.
If Sutekh has been on the TARDIS all this time, he definitely saw Jack hanging on to the outside of it in Utopia and was probably having a good laugh. I’m sure he actually hates him though. Or may he loves him, because of the sheer amount of times Jack has died, he just doesn’t stay dead.
Very mixed feelings on the episode as a whole, but the reunion between Ruby and her mother was really excellent IMO. The tease with Mrs Flood was fun too, I really hope she properly gets the chance to properly go all out in later episodes.
I loved this finale, and the closure on Ruby's mother was, for me anyway, pitch perfect. Ruby had spent so long looking for the truth and in doing so had evolved a myth around her own birth, a myth that confused and terrified the Gods of Chaos themselves. And yet, in the end, the answer lay in a scared 15 year old: an ordinary person enacting an extraordinary act of kindness for her baby daughter. That's Doctor Who. I know a lot of people have felt let down by this episode, though, and that's valid. But I do also think that this disappointment stems from a belief that the mystery was intended to serve a different purpose within the narrative than the one it actually does, and that's left people feeling frustrated at the series as a whole for not delivering a satisfying ending. The point of the mystery was never about the identity of Ruby's mother. It was about Ruby creating her own story - a legend of sorts - and the power that came from that; an otherwise ordinary event became mired in crossed timelines, imbued with the magic of goblins and ancient gods and became a creation myth - a myth that challenged the God of Death himself. The snow and Christmas carol were parts of this myth, too. Both were aspects of that one night that became Ruby's memories, eventually bleeding through into reality thanks to the lingering effects of the Toymaker. Overall, a fantastic finale that more than sticks the landing from a thematic perspective. A solid 8/10.
INB4 the fanbase turn their guns on you for saying nice things about this finale :P Jokes aside, that's what I got from this as well. Give it 5 years and I'm sure this'll blowover.
My wild guess is that Mrs. Flood is the pantheon of discord god of stories or something like that, and Ruby is her avatar. We know from Susan that the gods' avatars have entire lives and families, so the reveal that Ruby's mother is just an ordinary person is something of a misdirect. There's clearly something special about Ruby, otherwise how could it snow around her? As for why Sutekh was obsessed with finding out who her mother was, I assume he just sensed that something weird was going on nearby, and when he couldn't see her face he assumed that was what had bothered him, when in reality he had sensed Ruby herself - another god's avatar - but he couldn't tell that that's what had happened. Only that *something nearby* was bothering him.
Overall, I enjoyed this season more than I have since 11 regenerated. I absolutely love Peter Capaldi and 12 but imo the writing overall was much weaker in Peter's run as The Doctor than we had with David Tennant or Matt Smith's eras. Ncuti is talented and charming and has really risen up my favorite Doctor list. Ruby Sunday is absolutely one of my favorite companions, I just wish we had more time with her and the Doctor together. The writing so far, is as good as Matt or David's eras. I hope the next season is as good or better than this one, if so, we'll have great one for sure.
We have Sutehk, from Classic who, Trickster from Sarah Jane Adventures the Doctor has met him before, Toy Maker and Maestro, They mention the three fold deities of Malice Mischief and Misery which sound like the gods a Ragnarok also from classic who, Mara god of beasts also from classic who. sounds like a lot of previous classic foes are being upgraded and reused as members of the pantheon of discord which will probably be the big thing for Doctor 15.
@@user-gj9uq3kb7yI think you should rewatch the episode, because the gods of Malice, Mischief, and Misery are mentioned BEFORE she says “and the one true god, etc” talking about Sutekh. Pretty sure they were the gods of Ragnarok, which Ncuti also mentioned back in the Giggle.
I know don’t many people like that but I like the fact Ruby mum is ordinary as it subvert higher expectations. Also the show never said her mum would be this ultra power being that was us the audience so like the show said we made her important.
It was also when the Doctor intervened to thwart the plan of another Time Lord (The Meddling Monk) to change history by preventing the Norman Conquest of England.
As for next companions, we have answers. Not really spoilers but don't read further if you want to be surprised Ruby is supposed to come back later in second season, her story is not finished with snow etc and apparently acctress is already billed for it. Also that actress that played soldier in the war ambulance episode is apparently also next season companion. But we don't know whether she will play same character or someone else entirely. And I personally think they will go search for Rogue.
The Time Meddler (1965) was set in 1066. The Meddling Monk was planning to eliminate the Viking fleet before they arrived, meaning the Battle of Stamford Bridge wouldn't happen, meaning King Harold would be ready for the Norman invasion and the Battle of Hastings, thus changing the course of history.
@@TheMoonRover 1066 was the Norman invasion. The vikings had been in England for several hundred years, and it was they who defeated the Normans in Stamford Bridge. It didn't go so well down south in Hastings. Writing this in... Stamford Bridge.
"Why aren't the egg refrigerated?" To prevent problems with bacteria, we refrigerate our eggs after they are processed. But outside the U.S., most countries leave that protective cuticle intact.
Just in case someone at Blind Wave is not aware, the video chapters only have one chapter for the discussion. Since they don't talk about just the Pantheon for the entire discussion, I'm thinking the rest are missing.
Russell T Davies has confirmed Ruby will be back and shes been seen filming and Varada Sethu who played mundee in boom is the companion whos supposedly called Belinda
@@Tao_TologyI reckon there's probably more at play, as the 73 Yards thing seems too pointed, and none of it explains either why the snow happens or why it stopped in the other timeline. Still a damp squib of a resolution, though. 😕
@@LightLMNExcept that the episode said outright "she (mother) wasn't anything strange or different, she was important because we thought she was" (which is a copout)
@@Tao_Tology And that doesn't preclude something stranger going on that they can pick up next season. History is changing, so Ruby's mother being a perfectly ordinary human can also be an element of history that is in flux, just like when Ruby herself turned into Rubathon Blue of the 57th Hemisphere Hatchlings. Could end up an interesting parallel to the Doctor's multiple-choice past/ancestry.
@@LightLMN A series and especially a finale that would require the main beats and 'explanations' to be thrown out ......later...... is really a poor series. I'd expect that from Moffat but I'm surprised RTD captained such a poorly lashed together ship.
The point is, the future one is the one that beat Sutekh so the old one's still got him clinging to it, and the other Sutekh just witnessed his defeat... He's not one to care about fixed points in time, all he wants is death to everything. He'll be back. And as he now knows he'll be defeated, I imagine an odd insurance policy, bits of him scattered around, hidden and waiting again.
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Mrs Flood seems to be cosplaying as companions. She tends to wear a shirt and grey jumper identical to the one Clara was wearing when she died, and the white fluffy costume is very similar to the one Romana wore in her first appearance.
She's just a chuldur , obviously
Sounds like something a Rani, or even a Guardian would do.
That's my theory of who she is anyways.
@@MatthewCYN15”That’s my theory” yeah you and everyone else on the internet pal 😂
She wears all these outfits to get you all arguing over which one you think it is, its intentional to confuse you. It is none of these characters. Its purely to drum up hype. Don't fall for it lol, she'll be as disappointing as every "reveal" in this season
So could be one of them aliens that was cosplaying in the bridgerton episode.
just a random thought about the 73 yard perception filter thing... sutekh would've seen the doctor disappear in that episode (they weren't very far from the tardis when it happened). perhaps he realised that the tardis wouldn't be going anywhere anytime soon and decided to tag along with ruby instead (whether it was his form or some sort of avatar/drone/whatever). it's possible that having clung to the tardis for so long that he might've absorbed some of the effects of the perception filter so you could only see him once outside the filter's range. so perhaps ppl's reaction to ruby when looking at her after talking to old ruby was because they were outside the range of the filter and could suddenly see sutekh clinging to ruby. when she goes back to the tardis as an old woman, sutekh could've jump back over to the tardis, knowing that she was going to die soon and he wasn't gonna get the answers he was looking for... which would be why ruby never saw sutekh hanging off old ruby
The Toymaker actually mentions “he who waits” to Tennant as someone he to afraid to play against. Toymaker saw him hiding and ran. So I’m guess Sutekh can absolutely dust other gods.
@@LDk4816 unless he's in the time vortex apparently, which he's been in many times before.
@@miggyluv Unless which is in the time vortex?
All the places that the Doctor mentioned having been to:
1999 in the TV Movie (1996)
1066 in _The Time Meddler_ (1965)
2005 in _Rose_ (2005)
Venus, presumably where the 3rd Doctor learnt his Venusian Aikido.
Telos, first seen in _The Tomb of the Cybermen_ (1967)
Karn, near Gallifrey, first seen in _The Brain of Morbius_ (1976)
The Ood Sphere, first seen in _Planet of the Ood_ (2008)
Skaro, planet of the Daleks since 1963.
Vortis, planet of the Zarbi in _The Web Planet_ (1965)
Tigella, a jungle planet seen in _Meglos_ (1980)
Vox... maybe keep an eye out for it in future?
Messaline, in _The Doctor's Daughter_ (2008)
Calufrax, a segment of the Key to Time disguised as a planet in _The Pirate Planet_ (1978)
Spiridon, seen in _Planet of the Daleks_ (1973)
Shan Shen, home of the fortune teller in _Turn Left_ (2008)
To be fair they haven’t watched classic who. Time Meddler is a great first Doctor story tho
Small note:
The first or second Doctor must have learned Venusian aikido at some point, but third's personality made him desire to use it more frequently.
Three could never have gone to Venus, since he was stuck on earth (almost - the three doctors being an exception) the whole time.
Not all those places were infected by Susan Triads though.
Only AFTER pyramids of Mars, which means... There's a servant of Sutekh in E-space, too. Maybe still lurking, not having got the message.
Not to easy crossing over to that place, after all.
@AndrewHalliwell Nah, he's almost certainly visited all of those places more than once (not even bothering to check expanded media for that one). Everything has a sequel.
I reckon all those planets he would have visited before the events of Pyramids of Mars have probably all been revisited in audio dramas and later episodes. For example, Telos was visited by the 5th Doctor too
The Trickster is a prominent enemy in The Sarah Jane Adventures. And the Mara, God of Beasts, was an enemy in Classic Who.
Every time Doctor Who reboots with a new Season 1, RTD has to do a two part finale based around a bad canine.
I’d have 2 nickels, which isn’t a lot, but…
Ruby's story definitely isn't over, especially considering the snow. Even at the end, it was snowing when Mrs. Flood was on the roof, despite it being around June or July.
I agree, I feel like people are just jumping into conclusions and assumptions.
I certainly hope you’re right
It actually skipped to Christmas time at the end.
Well that and the fact RTD has said it’s not over 😂
@@jdgjagerbomber9430 Exactly...there is more to it.
"So I'm going to find the naughty doggo and tell him off." - Eric, Space Babies
Eric complimenting the effects as Kate dies is VERY funny.
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@@benjaminbrookes-staddon7228 Eric compared it to Infinity War snapping effects as Kate died early on in the episode
My "oldperson" complaint is just that so-called seasons are now shorter than traditional mini-series. 😢 This is barely half a season. I want more😢
AGREED~! The biggest flaw of this series was it being too short. All the issues I did have could've been solved with just a bit more time
Totally agree, ever since 2017 they make doctor who seasons shorter which sucks.
1066 is a famous year in the UK, hence why the Time Meddler used it too, because of the Battle of Hastings, which is noteworthy but perhaps overemphasised in our education, it's seared into all of our heads a significant year
You live there all your life it's really not that great. But I have always wanted to see it in Doctor Who.
It is more to do with the coincidence of 66 in English history. 1066 the battle of Hastings. 1666 the great fire of London. 1966 England wins the world cup.
@@michaeljeacock Looking forward to 2066
@@OneTrueScotsman It's not as famous in Scotland? I don't know anything about how much it is taught about but I imagined it would still be well known north of the border.
They had a battle for car insurance?!
IT WAS ACTUALLY UPLOADED ON THE MONDAY SLOT LIKE IN THE SCHEDULE OMG LETSGO
The Trickster was in the Sarah Jane Adventures
That should be on the poll. They need to finish that off.
@@craigshipway6926 I wish they'd watch Line of Duty, another great BBC show
I’d like them to at least watch the episodes with the doctor in from Sarah Jane adventures there’s a two parter with David Tennant and a two parter with Matt smith
@@Stuffthatsfunny1 Line of Duty, Happy Valley, plenty of big British shows would make for great reactions, they perhaps would just get limited views
@@Stuffthatsfunny1or Luther
It was Sutekh who picked up the 12th Doctor’s chalk and wrote the word “Listen” on the blackboard in the Tardis. He was the “silent passenger” the Doctor was theorising about. The mystery has finally been solved. 😊
Oh My God if that's true that's awesome
Dude stop trying to put this show into actual doctor who.
@@wardjunior1450 let people have fun
@@wardjunior1450 cry more 😂
@@wardjunior1450
It literally is Doctor Who, whether you like it or not.
So as someone has pointed out - Mrs. Flood outfits resemble stuff we have seen some companions wear - like Clara's outfit in Twice Upon a Time/Face the Raven or even Romana's white fur. I wonder if we could connect some other outfits as well. It could be a fun reference or just coincidence though.
The Time Medler is the first time we meet another Time Lord (though they weren't called that yet, they were just someone else with a Tardis at the time) It's also just an iconic and fun First Doctor story.
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Finally, an American reactor who knows what the Memory TARDIS is, yay for Melanie!!!!! Thanks for being loyal Whovians!!!!
"The TARDIS provides!"
There were a lot of stretches in this one--such as Ruby's mother pointing to CCTV cameras. And if I have to figure that out it means the script is too wibbly-wobbly.
I would have been fine with the pointing if she had done it originally, but the memory changed in Space Babies, and we still don’t know why.
@@Jim_The_Fishalso it wasn’t even there in TCORR
Focusing more on The Pantheon intrigues me a lot because it means we could see a return of The Trickster and his first official Doctor Who appearance.
They mysteryed up Ruby's mum a bit too much. Why was she wearing that hood. If it's supposed to be Manchester in 2004, she would be wearing a puffer bomber jacket, not a scottish widows hood.
That's your biggest issue?
Why could Ruby make it snow?
Why did no DNA exist throughout all time and space that matched her until suddenly it just did?
Why was the Mystro scared of her?
What was 74 Yards even about?
Who was Ruby's mum pointing the sign out to and why does she point at things like such a creep?
Also unrelated to Ruby, but if Sutekh's plan in Pyramids of Mars was all just so he could stop sitting on a chair, couldn't he think of a new scheme that didn't require he spend hundreds of years sitting on top of a police box?
Maybe she was a big Star Wars fan? 😂
I’m choosing to believe Ruby and her mum were caught up in a mega perception filter when the malfunctioning possessed tardis landed causing her mum to be hard to find the hood etc the point memory change was another image projected by the tardis as a clue and Ruby to manifest snow and music as a perception filter. The doctor travelling to the church to find caused the mystery in the first place wibbly wobbly. I’m coping hard lol
@@bobson3014 Apparently yes.
The night she was dropped off on ruby road is a powerful and delicate moment in time, and the Doctor was able to identify it as such because it kept snowing.
The DNA clearly existed in 2046. If you’re questioning how Unit was able to find her… they’re Unit. A TV show does not have the same resources as an organization called the Unified Intelligence Taskforce.
Maestro was only scared of the One Who Waits. Upon hearing the music, Maestro says “He couldn’t have been there.” Which (as we now know) he was.
Isolation, mainly.
The Doctor, presumably. Or just herself being overly emotional as a 15 year old who is leaving her child behind.
He evolved to Godhood, I’m pretty sure one tends to shift their priorities a bit when that happens.
@@bobson3014 they literally explained all that. Bc of memories bc they thought she was important . Also the rest is just media literacy
I’m choosing to believe Ruby and her mum were caught up in a mega perception filter when the malfunctioning possessed tardis landed causing her mum to be hard to find the hood etc the point memory change was another image projected by the tardis as a clue and Ruby to manifest snow and music as a perception filter. The doctor travelling to the church to find caused the mystery in the first place wibbly wobbly. I’m coping hard lol
I dont think that could fool Sutekh. At that point he was super strong. He made a whole human being and used the perception filter itself. The whole issue is that sutekh himself with all his power couldnt see her face, there was no match for rubys mom in all the dna databanks until there was?, etc
@@JP-zb3yb as part of the tardis and perception filter the more sutekh brooded and obsessed over the myster the stronger it got to the point it was spread out through time itself like Susan. The implication is that they DID find a match for rubys mums dna but the perception filter again made it look like it didn’t even staring right at a match on a computer screen it would still look like nothing came up. Only Ruby herself could see anything on the screen and even then it didn’t make sense and she didn’t understand what it was saying, Only once sutekh was defeated was the filter lifted and unit could find her 🤷🏼♂️
@Look_Over_There then how do they find a match before sutekh is defeated? I dont think this is how the perception filter works at all, youre overestimating its power. Sutekh made a being in every space time named susan and used the perception filter to make it harder to notice, because thats what it does. It doesnt outright hide things once you're attention is on it.
I think Ms. Flood is supposed to be a nod to the fan theory that Mary Poppins is a time lord
Her umbrella is the Sonic Screwdriver and her bag is a Tardis I get it
"And above all stands the Mother and The Father and the Other ..." in this I am pretty sure that Sutekh is considered the OTHER.
Mother and Father representing birth and family , Sutekh as Death.
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The one who waits is 1000% Sutekh because he was clinging to the Tardis for this entire time "waiting" LOL
Sutekh is Mother and Father AND Other.
"stands" means one singular person
"he stands"
vs
"they stand"
The Other, huh? You know who else has been referred to as The Other? ... Well nobody I guess since that storyline was scrapped when the show was cancelled in 89, but it would have been The Doctor. So logically... Sutekh is... the Doctor!!!
the funny thing is that Sutekh has learned that the TARDIS has never been Isomorphic
because The Master and River and others have all piloted it.
RTD has said Millie Gibson will be back as Ruby in the next season, but as @markdale4538 wrote earlier, there will be a new/additional companion played by Varada Sethu (there was a set leak last year). Varada Sethu not only played Mundy Flynn in Boom, she played the rebel Cinta Kaz in Andor.
I do wish that during the episode there was an offhand reference to Traken or another previously destroyed planet being back to leave the door open on what was fixed. (Gallifrey, The Flux, etc).
It would have been especially nice since the Doctor's guilt over the Flux was so firmly established in the 60th specials.
i hightly doubt thats what happend, the Death to Death thing only affected things actually killed by Sutrekh, it didnt just completely remove death. that be starnge cause then everyone who died lives again
Goddamn I hope they didn't fix gallifrey or the Flux. Gallifrey because it was already destroyed twice, we don't need to have it back and it would cheapen the time war arc. The Flux for similar reason, it's the only other major destructive event we've seen and it shouldn't be cheapened. For once I wish the show would stick to the consequences of events.
Mrs Flood has plans... MASTER PLANS!!!!!
Season 2 has already wrapped. Christmas special this year, season 2 next year,
The Monk episode features in one of the Tales From The TARDIS. You really should watch them, there’s only 6 and Christmas is far away
One reason to have _not_ have watched the special edited Pyramids on Mars episode they put together before the finale is that the Memory Tardis was revealed early.
I thought the mini Tardis was _adorable_ .
Any blanket/pillow fort kid with an imagination has spent times in a cocoon like that. ❤
the tales of the tardis have been coming out leading up to the 60th anniversary and I watched most. I happened to NOT watch the recent pyramids of mars tales of the tardis one but when I saw the memory tardis in the finale I was so happy to see it!
I get the sentiment of the whole Ruby mystery, and I do like the message it gives, but I feel like the only reason I thought she was important was because her being important was a plot point that was being forced down my throat for the entire season. If she was introduced like any other companion, I wouldn't have put any thought into her being special at all... I feel like there are still so many questions to ask about Ruby, none of which would paint her as "normal".
Exactly. Why can she make it snow? Why did the memory of her mother change in Space Babies? We still need some answers
Agreed. Whether she's normal or special, either would have been fine, but they tried to do both somehow, and it just ended up a mess of contradictions.
@@Jim_The_Fish I agree with you. But trying to think about how RTD told that story, I think what matters is not that we, the audience, thinks she is important, but that the character in the story do think she is important. We tend to see it at a meta level, but if you take this plot as it is and withouth thinking about any commentary : the Doctor was wondering what pushed this woman to leave her child on the night of christmas.
It intrigued him and by extension, it intrigued Sutekh. When the Doctor asks Ruby about her origin and her mother, this is when the snow stats falling for the first time. The Doctor gave power to that memory. And from there, all kind of weird things starts to happen, like memories are changing, or the mother's power by pointing to the sign made the priest think about Ruby for her name, etc.. Proof of the fact that the Doctor is the one giving power to Ruby is that in 73 Yards, when the Doctor disappear, old Ruby said "it never snowed again [since the Doctor left]".
I pretty much think this is what happened, in RTD's head. But it still is clunky. (And I don't understand why the mother is wearing such a hood....)
@@Kwev Yeah but the character doesnt feel like shes important, all the way through the season. She only starts thinking shes special because all of the non realistic parts russel puts in there to make her special like the snow, like having her being all mysterious and invisible.
@@charg1nmalaz0r51 I'm not sure I understand what you mean or if you just didn't understand what I wrote. In context of the episode, RTD do not exist. The people who gave Ruby and her mother powers are The Doctor and Sutekh. By wondering why they are so special, they became special. Like a self-fulfilling prophecy.
To tie even more things together :
- The Doctor thought Ruby was important because he has a lot in common with Ruby AND the Goblins were after her. So if Ruby is important, he starts to ask himself why would she be ? And why would somone abandonned this important girl during Christmas night.
At that moment, Ruby and her mother are nothing special, yet. They have no power at all. Because all of this was.... YET ANOTHER COINCIDENCE that Goblins like so much. But the Doctor doesn't know that. So, by thinking Ruby and her mother are important, it gave them power.
If you rewatch the episodes, the Snow and Ruby's Power only starts to appear during Space Babies, when the Doctor asks Ruby why she is so special. That's the moment Ruby starts making snow and has power. That's the moment memory starts changing.
But the Doctor thought she was special because of a pure coincidence.
Sutekh rode it like Jack.
Which explains why Jack died riding it.
But, like in the Monty Python movie, "I'm getting better!"
RTD basically said they threw a bunch of bullshit in to make the mystery more engaging and mysterious even though it made no sense for the reveal
Ms. Flood called the Doctor "Clever boy". Like Clara did.😊
The Trickster is a recurring villian in The Sarah Jane Adventures and appears in the following episode:
1x07/1x08 What Ever Happened to Sarah Jane?
2x09/2x10 The Temptation of Sarah Jane
3x05/3x06 The Wedding of Sarah Jane (it is mentioned that The Trickster is apart of The Pantheon of Discord and that the Doctor had heard of them but never met)
While I'm listing episodes I recommend watching the series 4 episode Death of the Doctor and the special the cast did during 2020 called Farewell, Sarah Jane which was written by RTD
I would have preferred a few more episodes where the doctor and Ruby have some more stand alone adventures to see them interact more with each other.
I wouldn't be surprised if Mrs. Flood is Missy and somehow regenerated (I know, she lost her regenerations but this is Doctor Who we're talking about) after being released from the Toymakers tooth.
It feels like RTD is intentionally trolling long time fans by giving Mrs Flood lines & costumes reminiscent of multiple old contradictory characters all at once
Cold logic = the Rani; dominate heaven = the Master/Missy; Clara callbacks ("clever boy"/"Raven" grey jumper); white parka = Romana. There may be others, but these were the most obvious to me.
@@kivimikit was actually a pink jumper, but looked grey when the clouds got dark.
@@kivimik there's nothing about her that says Rani to me.
@@GedUK Rani is an anagram of Rain, and Rain causes Floods.....
@@MatthewCYN15 I'd say that was left that as a false trail by RTD, but he does love his anagrams.
Regarding 1066, the Time Meddler is the first serial when another of the Doctor's race featured in Doctor Who, the Monk is a Time Lord, although they weren't named back then and his race was still a mystery.
Besides, the Monk was also referenced earlier in the season in "Space Babies" when the Doctor was giving examples of Time Lord titles becoming names to Ruby explaining why he is called "the Doctor". If you ask me, I think we might see the Monk further down the line or maybe RTD is simply just a "Monk" fan and likes to reference him, although he wasn't referenced at all in Series 1-4 with Eccleston and Tennant.
Double Entendre: 13:18 "It Keeps getting longer, how does it keep getting longer?" 😆
Oh hey, it’s on a Monday :o
The Trickster is from The Sarah Jane Adventures. Great villain from a great series, you guys should carry it on!
Unlike Eric, the Ruby making snow thing did bother me cause it feels like such an empty tease. Good episode but so much of the finality of the mysteries was a letdown
Ruby's story continues in the next season, for some reason.
when it comes to doctor who and most sci-fi franchises, I've always been a themes > lore type of gal, so this finale worked so well for me, as much of an anti-climax the ruby mom reveal was.
this season really was a return to form for the series, really looking forward to more seasons with Ncuti.
The end of it with Mrs Flood .. Is gearing it up for a Christmas special ❄️. iI think she is the White Guardian.. The terror could be the Black Guardian.. This is from past lore
That would be EPIC!
Is it possible Mrs Flood is somehow the "Master Mind" from the 2nd Doctor's story "The Mind Robber"? It's like she is telling a story about the Doctor, but Sutekh got in the way but once he was destroyed could go back to creating the Doctor's story. We have also had mention of something from each of the early Doctor's eras other then the 2nd. Susan and Celestrial Toymaker from the 1st Doctor, brigadier and UNIT from 3rd, Sutekh from 4th. I might be stretching things but I'm looking a little out of the box.
He was called The Master Of The Land Of Fiction, and turned out to be a random human who was freed. But also Sutekh wasn't sent into the time vortex at the end of Pyramids Of Mars and RTD just misunderstood the storyline, so who knows
@@strbourne it was actually a computer that had trapped the human in the Land of Fiction causing the human to mentally create things. The computer mind wanted the Doctor to take over because the Doctor could live for ever and the computer could bring what was fiction into the real world. So my "wild and probably not true" theory is when the Tardis in the Mind Robber was in pieces and wasn't put back together until the computer mind was destroyed. What if like malware the computer mind ended up being installed into the Tardis and when we had the creation of the two Tardises due to the bi-regeneration the malware "woke up" creating the memory Tardis where now it can capture the stories past companions and Doctor's are reminiscing about. So how would this effect Mrs. Flood? What if she's the first human to have touched the Tardis other then the Doctor "infecting" her with the computer mind of the land of fiction. When Mrs Flood wanted to know where this thing sitting on the sidewalk came from being nosey touched it. And being human can get dusted.
I like the theory of Mrs Flood being the God of Stories but can a God become dust? So I'm just putting out another weird possibility.
I've really enjoyed this season. So much fresh energy in this doctor.
RTD said they cut down to 8 episodes so that they can have yearly season releases!! so no more waiting 2+ years for the foreseeable future,, we’re gonna be getting consistent 8 episodes yearly, and then a christmas special on top of that
I just wanna know why the memory changed in Space Babies. I’d be okay if she did the dramatic pointing from the start, but the memory changed, and she wasn’t pointing in the original one. So what changed the memory? And how does Ruby make it snow?
Btw It made £364,253 for the double-bill finale in cinemas making it (No2 on Fri) & the fourth highest of the weekend across 275 UK screenings
The Monk is who I want Mrs Flood to be. And yes please more Tales of the Tardis!!!
I know a lot of people have their feelings, but I’ve loved this season, and the finale
Didn't Mrs Flood mention to Cherry that she would confront her maker with her true name? Wouldn't that make her a Time Lord?
No that would make her the Devil
Since she is going to storm
The golden gates of Heaven
And she meant she is going to defeat
God
@@user-gj9uq3kb7y I thought so at first but with the way Doctor Who is, I'm going to bet that Mrs. Flood is Missy after being released from the Toymasters tooth
@@justiceisjaded1
Russell did say that the Master is
Parked
I enjoyed the season and this episode overall.
Was a little peeved at all the specialness of Ruby being explained away as Sutekh being so stumped that it made the moment special.
It seems like funny commentary at how we all do that, find something so small and insignificant that utterly steals our attention away from our goals.
I also think Sutekh sitting around the Tardis as it explodes in The Big Bang is absolutely hilarious.
The scene where Ruby meets her mom is so beautiful though and makes the episode.
Just a little?
I’m just picturing Sutekh watching Jack hang on to the TARDIS in Utopia and that’s absolutely hilarious
I'd love to see you do more tales of the TARDIS episodes. I only watch the Doctor Who ones you do, so you do more, I'll watch more. 😂
I feel like the Doctor HAS to go look for Susan now, right? Maybe for the Christmas special?
They teased her so many times this season, and at the end when he told Ruby it would be best just to leave her birth mother alone, but Ruby ignored him and proved him wrong… surely that has to be a sign that he should also try to reconnect with his granddaughter!
I just hope they don’t kick the Susan can down the road too long, Carole Ann Ford is already 84 years old…
i disagree, just let carol ann ford enjoy her retirement in peace , please dont let her final apperance as susan be asscoiated with tbe crappy disney brand dr who but rather be remembered by older fans who have fond memories of watching dr who in the 60's_
I just had a thought about this episode. There was one aspect of the tardis that was talked about a LOT this season.
The perception filter. After all... it has a range of exactly 73 yards.
Anyways, the Tardis was the one essentially filtering Ruby's mom's face. Why? Well, it was mirroring Ruby's inner feelings.
Ruby felt cursed. Like she was destined to never know her real mother. Well... the Tardis just reflected that by erasing her mom from their perception. It just so happened that Sutekh also saw her mom's face being erased and was like "What the fuck? How can this be? I'm a God! There is nothing I shouldn't be able to see."
So, all of this mystery surrounding her mom all stemmed from Ruby's trauma. Ruby's mom wasn't special... except to Ruby, she was. Thus, the Tardis reflected that and made us all see a mysterious hooded figure that pointed like a bizarre creep. It made us think she was special too. It messed with our perception.
Ruby's feelings of being abandoned were so powerful that the perception filter even tricked a God. There's something kind of cool about human emotion being so powerful.
Was excited to see your reactions for this season and I haven’t been disappointed!
I’m not totally sold on the ‘mystery box’ style of writing for the whole season as I feel that some of the reasons and explanations for things that happen feel a bit glib and ‘shoe-horned’ in, but I have to say that some of the individual episodes have been some of the most interesting - and bravest ideas in recent years - Boom through Dot and Bubble particularly!
I did find the finale a bit unsatisfying initially, but that’s really grown on me after a couple of viewings, although I LOVED the scenes of Sutekh mentally chipping away at Mel’s defences and The Doctor’s scene with ‘The Kind Woman’.
I could be completely wrong about this, but I strongly get the sense that Russel T Davies has introduced many concepts this year designed to give the middle finger to the haters who have been loud in their objections to having Ncuti Gatwa as an openly Gay actor and also Being Black (Dot and Bubble being particularly forceful about this) and I applaud the programme for being brave enough to call out those prejudices. In that respect, it’s reinforced the show’s Credo from the very beginning - a ‘dislike for the unlike’ is never a good look!
Thank you so much and can’t wait for next season!
Season "2" is coming next year, it's already deep into production, filming concluded in May this year.
I loved the season, hated the finale. The only salvage parts are Ruby's ending, which was well done.
Weird, I'm the opposite. Loved the season, mostly liked the finale, but hated the way they handled Ruby's ending. Her mother just being a normal human makes no sense given all the wibbly-wobbliness and mysterious phenomena around her and her mother's memory.
@@IceMetalPunkRuby's story isn't over yet.
@@killernyancat8193 Are you sure? Because this is Millie's last episode...
@@IceMetalPunk She will come back next season. We don't know yet how many episodes.
@@IceMetalPunk I'm like 85% sure RTD said her story isn't over and that she'll be back
28:50 just to clear things up, here in the UK we use a mix of imperial and metric units. It seems to be a bit of a generational thing, most young people only use the metric system (except for maybe height or weight) whilst the older generations are more likely to use the old imperial units.
The Toymaker had made the Master his gold tooth. At the end of that episode it showed the tooth on the ground. Perhaps Ms. Flood is the Master coming out of that experience.
If I learned anything from this season, there's always an UNEXPECTED twist, and the Master would be totally expected.
I hope it *isn't* The Master because it seems too obvious; there were some Timelord name drops in Space Babies (The Bishop, The Conquistador, The Pedant and Sagi-Shi) maybe Ms. Flood is one of them (or all of them?)
@@cerberus01Exactly
@@cerberus01You are right there is an unexpected twist, Just a shame them twists are terrible, Not earned and make no sense lol, I’m expecting Mrs Flood to just be a normal old lady now lol
@@cerberus01 Not if it is Missy in a Mask like Saxon Master. like specifically Missy and we find out the regeneration order is Saxon, Spymaster and Missy. To me this what makes this theory twist more twisty than just the Master.
1066 is just an important year in British history with the Norman invasion and the First Doctor did visit there in The Time Meddler
Season 2 (15) was confirmed to air next year.
Bringing Death to death equals Life (paraphrasing)
Sutekh + The Flux destroyed part of the universe = HOPEFULLY reborn solar systems & galaxies 😊😊😊
The 1066 episode is the First Doctor episode that was picked for Tales of the Tardis
The reaction I've been waiting for!
New companion was the female soldier in Boom now playing a different character. The distant question. 76 yards, It is the point where clarity becomes blurred. 😊
*73 yards
The Doctor definitely feels more human with Ncuti's range of emotions shining through, especially compared to previous Doctors that felt a little more Alien with less emotions or odd ways to reacting to situations that would draw out emotions in humans.
Dragging the puppy through the time vortex felt very Doctor Who. Epic, but goofy.
In the UK, anyone mentions 1066, you think of the Battle of Hastings.
See you again for more Doctor Who in December for the Christmas Special, 2024.
Unless you can watch the behind the scenes stuff from this season.
Clearly Sutekh touching the vortex and disintegrating into the vortex will have consequences in some future storyline for some doctor.
At some point if RTD doesn't get the show cancelled first, another showrunner might pick it up or it could be in a book or audio drama, bit hold your breath to see anything soon.
RTD has already dropped that toy and waddled over to the next thing.
@@bobson3014RTD isn’t getting the show cancelled. Chibnall didn’t either and neither did Moffat.
not if there's two of him? In "The Giggle" Ncuti split the Tardis in two...that could very well mean Sutekh might've been split in two as well.
We have met most of the Pantheon already. We've met:
The Trickster
The Celestial Toymaker
The Maestro
The Beast (10th Doctor story)
Sutekh
The Mara (Fifth Doctor Story)
There is still a few we haven't met yet but they may have been previously mentioned in the past.
Also Zellin and the Black and White Guardians, they weren't mentioned but they gotta be part of it
Wait, hold up. So Sutekh has clung on to the TARDIS since he met the 4th Doctor way back when. So... what happened when 15 split the TARDIS in two back during his and Tennants episode? Are there two Sutekh's now, or did he just correctly guess which on to hitch a ride on?
i understand if its dificulte to get but id love to see you guys react to some of the other tales of the tardis episodes or the remastered version of the daleks
...there will be flowers. 💐
46:15 - Re: the whole 1066 conversation, the Doctor has been WAY further back in earth's history than 1066. In the show alone (disregarding Big Finish audio dramas, comics, etc.), The Doctor has been all the way back to pre-historic earth. The first episode of the 1st Doctor's first serial (Doctor Who actual episode 1) had him go back to the Stone Age and see cavemen. In Space Babies, he took Ruby back even before that to see dinosaurs (where she stepped on a butterfly). The 10th Doctor & Donna went back even before that and saw the creation of the earth in Runaway Bride. Further back, 11th Doctor took Amy to the first planet that ever existed and found a "Hello Sweetie" note from River carved into its cliffside. He's been back before the big bang, according to the 10th Doctor in The Satan Pit - he said he tried to see what was there before the big bang happened, but it was just black and empty.
So yeah, 1066 is practically the present compared to how far back he's been. 1066 is just one of the most - if not *the* most - important date in English history. It's the English Equivalent of saying "1776" to an American. I think that's why they made a big deal about the date itself and the Doctor having gone there and less to do with the actual TV serial The Time Meddler. But it could come into more play next season, we'll see.
5:20 No we do. We don't have to, but most of us do.
Given all the old companions that have come back and how many times DT has come back, I think it’s about time they bring Jenny back. She’s had a bunch of audio stories, it would be interesting to incorporate those stories for fans of big finish. She could be in torchwood. I want her to return even more than the trickster, seems like the perfect time to bring him in with the whole focus on gods, and his history with the doctor.
Big Finish time, they have a character called Lucie (Louise) Miller, she was in a relationship with William Foreman, (Susan's son).
In a timey way Ruby could be the Doctors Great Great Granddaughter.
I wonder how the god of death sutekh would deal with captain jack harkness
If Sutekh has been on the TARDIS all this time, he definitely saw Jack hanging on to the outside of it in Utopia and was probably having a good laugh. I’m sure he actually hates him though. Or may he loves him, because of the sheer amount of times Jack has died, he just doesn’t stay dead.
@@Jim_The_Fish must have seen clara as well, during matt smiths last episode. making the tardis take 300 years to get back to him.
Very mixed feelings on the episode as a whole, but the reunion between Ruby and her mother was really excellent IMO. The tease with Mrs Flood was fun too, I really hope she properly gets the chance to properly go all out in later episodes.
I loved this finale, and the closure on Ruby's mother was, for me anyway, pitch perfect. Ruby had spent so long looking for the truth and in doing so had evolved a myth around her own birth, a myth that confused and terrified the Gods of Chaos themselves. And yet, in the end, the answer lay in a scared 15 year old: an ordinary person enacting an extraordinary act of kindness for her baby daughter. That's Doctor Who.
I know a lot of people have felt let down by this episode, though, and that's valid. But I do also think that this disappointment stems from a belief that the mystery was intended to serve a different purpose within the narrative than the one it actually does, and that's left people feeling frustrated at the series as a whole for not delivering a satisfying ending. The point of the mystery was never about the identity of Ruby's mother. It was about Ruby creating her own story - a legend of sorts - and the power that came from that; an otherwise ordinary event became mired in crossed timelines, imbued with the magic of goblins and ancient gods and became a creation myth - a myth that challenged the God of Death himself. The snow and Christmas carol were parts of this myth, too. Both were aspects of that one night that became Ruby's memories, eventually bleeding through into reality thanks to the lingering effects of the Toymaker.
Overall, a fantastic finale that more than sticks the landing from a thematic perspective. A solid 8/10.
INB4 the fanbase turn their guns on you for saying nice things about this finale :P
Jokes aside, that's what I got from this as well. Give it 5 years and I'm sure this'll blowover.
My wild guess is that Mrs. Flood is the pantheon of discord god of stories or something like that, and Ruby is her avatar.
We know from Susan that the gods' avatars have entire lives and families, so the reveal that Ruby's mother is just an ordinary person is something of a misdirect. There's clearly something special about Ruby, otherwise how could it snow around her?
As for why Sutekh was obsessed with finding out who her mother was, I assume he just sensed that something weird was going on nearby, and when he couldn't see her face he assumed that was what had bothered him, when in reality he had sensed Ruby herself - another god's avatar - but he couldn't tell that that's what had happened. Only that *something nearby* was bothering him.
Overall, I enjoyed this season more than I have since 11 regenerated. I absolutely love Peter Capaldi and 12 but imo the writing overall was much weaker in Peter's run as The Doctor than we had with David Tennant or Matt Smith's eras.
Ncuti is talented and charming and has really risen up my favorite Doctor list. Ruby Sunday is absolutely one of my favorite companions, I just wish we had more time with her and the Doctor together.
The writing so far, is as good as Matt or David's eras. I hope the next season is as good or better than this one, if so, we'll have great one for sure.
We have Sutehk, from Classic who, Trickster from Sarah Jane Adventures the Doctor has met him before, Toy Maker and Maestro, They mention the three fold deities of Malice Mischief and Misery which sound like the gods a Ragnarok also from classic who, Mara god of beasts also from classic who. sounds like a lot of previous classic foes are being upgraded and reused as members of the pantheon of discord which will probably be the big thing for Doctor 15.
No the gods of malice etc
Is Sutekh
As stated in the Legend of Ruby Sunday
@@user-gj9uq3kb7yI think you should rewatch the episode, because the gods of Malice, Mischief, and Misery are mentioned BEFORE she says “and the one true god, etc” talking about Sutekh. Pretty sure they were the gods of Ragnarok, which Ncuti also mentioned back in the Giggle.
@user-gj9uq3kb7y No they are listed before the Mara and Sutekh is listed at the end they are not the same.
@@BiasFree
Ok my bad then
@@user-gj9uq3kb7y No problem.
I know don’t many people like that but I like the fact Ruby mum is ordinary as it subvert higher expectations. Also the show never said her mum would be this ultra power being that was us the audience so like the show said we made her important.
1066 is a famous year in English history
It was also when the Doctor intervened to thwart the plan of another Time Lord (The Meddling Monk) to change history by preventing the Norman Conquest of England.
As for next companions, we have answers. Not really spoilers but don't read further if you want to be surprised
Ruby is supposed to come back later in second season, her story is not finished with snow etc and apparently acctress is already billed for it.
Also that actress that played soldier in the war ambulance episode is apparently also next season companion. But we don't know whether she will play same character or someone else entirely.
And I personally think they will go search for Rogue.
Nope, we don't have a thin layer of goo on our eggs. They're just eggs, you don't need to chill them.
1066 is an important year in english history with the battle of hastings. I havent watched classic who so idk if there was an episode on that
The Time Meddler (1965) was set in 1066. The Meddling Monk was planning to eliminate the Viking fleet before they arrived, meaning the Battle of Stamford Bridge wouldn't happen, meaning King Harold would be ready for the Norman invasion and the Battle of Hastings, thus changing the course of history.
@@TheMoonRover nice thanks for the info
@@TheMoonRover 1066 was the Norman invasion. The vikings had been in England for several hundred years, and it was they who defeated the Normans in Stamford Bridge. It didn't go so well down south in Hastings. Writing this in... Stamford Bridge.
@@ThePetergate Yeah, well, tell that to the writers of _The Time Meddler._
"Why aren't the egg refrigerated?"
To prevent problems with bacteria, we refrigerate our eggs after they are processed. But outside the U.S., most countries leave that protective cuticle intact.
Just in case someone at Blind Wave is not aware, the video chapters only have one chapter for the discussion. Since they don't talk about just the Pantheon for the entire discussion, I'm thinking the rest are missing.
Death of deaths has brought life
Russell T Davies has confirmed Ruby will be back and shes been seen filming and Varada Sethu who played mundee in boom is the companion whos supposedly called Belinda
Thanks to Eric, Calvin, Melanie and Aaron! ⏳
My 9 year old says Mrs Flood is Mary Poppins 😂😂 as she is a time lord. Bag, face changes, umbrella,
Even though we say goodbye to Ruby Sunday (for now), the mystery with Mrs. Flood continues.
Onward to Series 15!
Melanie practically BEGGING to get Rogue back is so real
I really didnt enjoy the "ha got ya!" reveal about ruby's mother but it is what it is
Yeah, it was a cop out (but in any interviews the line will be "we definitely had that idea planned out alllll along" 😏).
@@Tao_TologyI reckon there's probably more at play, as the 73 Yards thing seems too pointed, and none of it explains either why the snow happens or why it stopped in the other timeline. Still a damp squib of a resolution, though. 😕
@@LightLMNExcept that the episode said outright "she (mother) wasn't anything strange or different, she was important because we thought she was"
(which is a copout)
@@Tao_Tology And that doesn't preclude something stranger going on that they can pick up next season. History is changing, so Ruby's mother being a perfectly ordinary human can also be an element of history that is in flux, just like when Ruby herself turned into Rubathon Blue of the 57th Hemisphere Hatchlings.
Could end up an interesting parallel to the Doctor's multiple-choice past/ancestry.
@@LightLMN A series and especially a finale that would require the main beats and 'explanations' to be thrown out
......later......
is really a poor series.
I'd expect that from Moffat but I'm surprised RTD captained such a poorly lashed together ship.
Happy Monday everyone!
The point is, the future one is the one that beat Sutekh so the old one's still got him clinging to it, and the other Sutekh just witnessed his defeat...
He's not one to care about fixed points in time, all he wants is death to everything.
He'll be back. And as he now knows he'll be defeated, I imagine an odd insurance policy, bits of him scattered around, hidden and waiting again.