THIS DESTROYS CHAINSAWS! - Stihl MS270 Chainsaw - Carburetor and Fuel System Restoration….
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- Опубликовано: 26 авг 2024
- Watch as I tackle the aftermath of ethanol damage and neglect on a Stihl MS270 chainsaw!
Join me as I dissect its carburetor and fuel system, uncovering the havoc wreaked by father time and ethanol.
Witness the restoration process, including a carburetor rebuild, a new fuel line, filter replacements, and more.
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I generally will clean as much crap off a saw before opening it up .
Exactly
Good advice! Thanks for watching!
Yeah, despite the quality filming, explanation of process and outcome, I had trouble getting past all the filth! Evan a simple blow-off would have been a huge improvement and made for less work further into the project!
Makes it much nicer to work on - also I always think that if the internals are scrap you can at least make some money selling it on for spares that way.
That said, there’s very little - beyond no oil in the fuel - that kills these dead!
@@dj_efk32.1 I run all my 2 strokes. Only time I didn't was when I had a boat. Ran that rich too
Totally sensible, no one trying to be a comedian, no dreadful background music, minimum amount of commentary, excellent video.
Thank you very much
Thanks so much for the kind compliment and for watching!
Ditto.
Subscribed & shared.
I even watched the ASPCA ad (ugh).
DOUG out
Except for the one dad joke near the end.
Thank's NO MUSIC / Very well done & Informative, Great saws
I was 10 when I was taught to clean everything on an engine /machine before pulling it apart, that was 60 years ago. I sat here shaking my head. Couldn’t take this video seriously.
Beautiful job, so good to see these older machines back up and running.... just a little love and attention 👍
Thanks so much for the awesome comment. We have much more planned and coming soon. Stay tuned!
That was the best video demonstration I’ve ever seen clear and precise thank you.
Just found this channel extremely helpful. At 56 yo im a disabled vet who lives working on this stuff. ive gotten my bronze frim Stihl but have a long way to go. I keep 2nd guessing myself on everything and because i try to get everything perfectly done i get frustrated to easily. Great learning on this video thank you for sharing. You may have to start a pay channel for us that could ask 100 questions.
Thank you for the kind words! It means so much to us.
Stay tuned! We have some awesome things planned!
@@chainsawace1777 yes sir, are you with an Ace store?
Hi Dr Mikey. Just curious. What is the procedure for getting stihl certified? Is there a course to take?
Getting certified for Stihl can only be done if you work for a Stihl Dealer. The bronze certification is done online through an internet portal. Silver is done in person at the Stihl distributor for your shops territory. Gold and above is done in person a Stihl's Virginia Beach Manufacturing Facility. I hope this helps.
Don’t give up. I am same as you just a couple years older. I go out and tinker on old Homelites. It keeps the mind going.
I’ve rebuilt a bunch of saws, Husky and Stihl. Just finished a MS 200T. Your video quality is superb! Your commentary is equally good! Subscribed!
Awesome, thank you!
I stopped burning ethanol 15 years ago. I leave fuel in small engines year round. After sitting for months with fuel in the tanks, they all start easily and run just fine.
Why not wash crap off before opening up?
Such an informative and entertaining video, thank you! I could watch carburetor rebuilds all day- I know, not everyone understands LOL
Thank you for the kind comment and the view!
Stay tuned. We have lots more coming.
This is one of the best chainsaw repair videos I have seen! I think it is essential to remove the ethanol from small engine fuel, an easy thing to do, and a guarantee that the fuel system will not self destruct each season, why have we allowed this filthy stuff to be put in our fuel! Chris B.
You are correct! Thank you for watching and the insightful comment.
Because Congress made sure that the corn growers and the petroleum suppliers could further stick it to us. A far less powerful fuel that decreases mileage, ruining rubber components and costing more money 😢. We loose! And that was back in the 70s it started as a temporary cure for the “fuel shortage “ that wasn’t. Big business strikes again 😢
@@wrstew1272 Agreed, to a point... But, who owns Congress, and all that "Big Business" you speak of? Heck, for that matter, who owns Big EVERYTHING? The answer is always the same.
And, they sure don't like us, do they? Doesn't bother me at all, however, for if they don't like you, it truly is a badge of honor. It means you're better than them, and doing something right.
I am in in aust. My local clog with gas station always gives me hassles when I mix 2 stroke using their fuel. Have to go a few miles further and get the pommy fuel which àlways mixes ok. Do not know what is different but several bad mixes and hassles have proved this. Sorry about the generic slang but I do not want to name these companies.
@@johnsmith7676Capitalists?
Dont Take this wrong, the work performed was good although I would have done a major cleaning before I opened the unit up.
When I started in tree work the Gaffer had me strip down, clean and check the saw every day before we went home.
So bar and chain off, filter and plug out, look at the fuel filter. stood me well for 35 years and still at it. Thanks for the expose.
Excellent, very detailed with how to tips on taking parts off and putting them back on. Wish you were close by, I'd be there with questions about my MS-250. Great Video!!
Good vid my friend. You did skip a few important points though that Id like to share. When the carb is off the machine, if you suspect low compression, now is the time to look through the port and inspect the one side of the piston and one side of the cylinder for scoring. Then remove the muffler, two bolts, and get the other side. Also, using the back flat side of a punch, if you push in on the piston ring it should flex and have a tiny bit of movement indicating it is not seized up. Second thing, DONT rev a saw with no bar and chain. If the idle is set too high without your knowledge you risk snapping the connecting rod. Last, clean as much dirt and debris from the outside first and as you work your way in prior to disassembling. Keep on posting, nice job friend.
Thank you for watching!
Never heard of conrod snapping story in my 37 years as a mechanic
Neither have I- in a 2-stroke there's compression at both ends of each stroke which is a cushioning effect '- and is one reason why 2t engines are lighter than 4t. Rods etc don't need to have the same mass for durability.
That it was shot from several perspectives allows understanding of the work, on the carburetor especially. Highly instructive,
Thank you for watching and the nice comment!
I never put a drop of ethanol fuel in any of my saws. Always non-ethanol fuel and Startron fuel treatment and you can leave fuel in for a year or more and all is golden.
If you are pumping from a single hose pump put a few gallons in a vehicle first! Otherwise you are pumping low grade ethanol poisen the guy ahead of you pumped! Ethanol is horrible stuff!
Great video. Thanks for sharing! 👍
The fuel line fixed my stihl saw as well! Thank you
I can see you are a man of culture as well. Thank you for the support my friend.
@@chainsawace1777 I was wondering why you didn’t take the low and high speed adj screws out when you put the carb in the cleaning tank ?
@@tinkergene
Great Question!
I have found that there is ALMOST NEVER a need to remove the high and low speed adjustment screws when I'm cleaning with a sonic cleaner.
Back in the day when I used Chemdip or carburetor cleaner I always had to remove.
Sonic cleaners are awesome. No harsh chemicals and less work too!
Thanks for the comment!
@@brockraybonwhat cleaner do you use in your ultrasonic cleaner? I have one that I want to get operational. (Amazon says the one he uses is out of stock, plus Canada for me).
Excellent video. Thank you for making and posting it.
Great video, I have this exact saw, 20 years old. Heated my home for 17 years using the saw. Only trouble I had with it was my chain oiler stopped working and I had to replace it. It had a recall once for intake replacement. I put a heat pump in 3 years ago, no more firewood needed. It's been a great saw.
I also have the same saw, harvest trees from my property. Last 2 years and counting have not used our propane furnace and saved not using the hydro required for it.
Will turn 69yo next month and will keep it going till I can't.. Peace & Freedom.
Nice save, great video work inc. close-ups, did wonder about the clean up of carb,(adj. needles), recoil, mag, ignition area. Overall good detail of the save. Thanks
I like the pencil eraser idea!
It works great. Thanks for watching.
Drinking (too much) coffee is also my favorite hobby (and vice) :) Great, methodical procedure, very informative. Thanks!!
You made that look SO EASY. Thanks for the excellent video. Perfect restoration. 💛
Great job and well done 👍🏼. Ethanol fuel in chainsaw’s is a bad idea.
That is one dirty saw.
Thanks so much for the kind compliment and for watching.
We have tons more content planned and hope you come back to see some of it.
Thanks again!
I recommend using the non ethanol pump gas ⛽ from SUNOCO
I bought tru fuel from Home depot as I can't buy non-ethanol fuel in Canada at the pump. Haven't used it yet as I used premium pump fuel with Stihl oil mix for my first uses. I've purged the fuel like Stihl says for storage so will use non-ethanol tru fuel next public land firewood permit.
@@brianeastman3547in some countries like mine there is no such thing as non ethanol gas. The only thing you can do about it is buy the best gas you can get since it will have anti corrosive additives and make sure that if you wont be using your saw for more than a couple of weeks you purge all the fuel lines.
YEP, you are the son for which my father wished! Very interesting.
Thanks for doing these videos, they’ve been very helpful
I really enjoy this. Stay tuned. The real videos are coming soon!
You should have checked the clutch and bearing & grease the bearing.
But good video.
I always do. However, everything is not shown in the video for time and editing purposes. I have other videos where this is shown. Also, I have a video that is releasing this week that I believe has footage of that area. Thanks so much for watching.
Great video. 40 yrs ago, worked at small town tire/lawnmower/chainsaw shop. Dont think a day went by we didn't sharpen someone's chain. Had one chainsaw mechanic, he could fix anything. Even a McCullough. One time a crew brought in a 2 man chainsaw they needed to get running to cut down one tree. Always wondered how big that tree was.
Cant imagine how they ever approved ethanol fuel mandates. I literally had to go to extremes for a time to avoid ethanol fuel in my state. They had to change some laws to fix the issue. Now we have ethanol free in 91 and 93 octane at many vendors. I have some saws to tinker on this year as soon as winter stops messing with my spring weather.
Thank you for the step by step how to videos. These are helpful.
Glad it was helpful!
I have the newer model of the same saw and discovered it doesn't like Stihl ready-mixed fuel!
It throttles up slow (lags) and seems to lack power.
I ran out of the factory premixed fuel and bought some Evenrude 2 stroke oil for outboards.
Mixed about 1.7 oz of oil to 64 oz of 89 octane E10 gasoline.
No lag and runs strong! Easier starting cold and warm.
Whatever works for you man, keep doing it.
Thanks so much for watching.
@@chainsawace1777. A VERY diplomatic reply!
You're not the only one having issues with that canned brew. It seems to be manufactured very inconsistently lately; and that includes Stihl's canned concoction. Some of it is downright worthless.
It's nice see someone working on a saw that works after it's rebilt. The saws iv worked on were burnt-up so they NEVER started. Too much alcohol, or not enough oil.
What many people dont talk about when restoring a diapharm carburator damaged by old fuel , Are the importance of its check valves. you can clean a carb absolutly spotless in a ultrasonic cleaner, put a fresh brand new carb kit in it , and it still wont run .. because one or more of the carb's check valves has had its tiny flapper turned into a glob of goo and is blocked so no fuel can flow through it . just an awareness heads up.. there are examples on youtube that talk about testing and replacing them.
You are correct. In this case it worked out. I had a new carburetor on stand by if it were needed. The video would have also turned out differently. lol Thanks for watching!
That’s good info to know. I have a few carb projects that need attention where this could easily be the case. One more thing to look for. Thanks
You sir did a fine job fixing that saw.A very informative video .Ye id give you a saw to fix👏👏👏👏🇨🇮
Awesome job and great video!
Hmmm....I like how you got it running first....nothing worse than cleaning it all up, then doing the maintenance, only to find it don't work due to a fault internally like a big end bearing or a hole in the crankcase....!
I have that exact saw sitting in the shop not being used.it was put away with fuel in it and won’t start your video was very informative I’m gonna fix her this weekend.thanks.!😊☮️
This is crazy!! Why didn't you blow the saw off before you started work on it? That is the first thing you do!Just had to smell the fuel and you will know where the problem is.
When you have repaired as many chainsaws that I have, you know where the problems occur the vast majority of the time.
The hardened fuel lines, coupled with the terrible and decaying fuel, pointed to this common issue.
If there were other problems they would have been addressed at that time.
For example, if the saw ran erratically when started, I would know there could possibly be an air leak.
At that time I would conduct and pressure and vacuum test.
Appreciate you watching.
Why almost noone cleans the saw first? Rather work on dirty, and oily saw with bunch of debris allover everything...
Some basic cleaning is necessary before starting the diagnosis and repair. However, you do not want to waste and hour cleaning something before you know if the repair will be sucessful. I understand what your saying and it does make sense though. Thanks for watching!
@@chainsawace1777👍
I do. Regularly. Just to keep it in a good shape. Don’t want to drive 150km to find out that the saw dows not run due to poor maintenance.
Absolutely brilliant video , the work bench seemed to nice to be worked on .
nice job........thanks 🙂
I need some of that coffee.😂
I agree on coffee and I make it all the time in house and shop 😊😊
Sometimes when I drink coffee, my hands move so fast, its like that scene for the Coneheads movie. Haha. Thanks for watching!
Great video. I feel smarter.
Thank you for watching and for the nice comment!
Have a great day!
Nice work , pro level
Wow! Thanks for the awesome comment. You made my day Matthew!
great job many thanks
Should have pulled the cord and checked for compression first. Then remove muffler and check piston.
Great video, and good thorough job!
Glad you liked it! Thanks so much for the comment and view.
Great video. Nice work.
Thanks so much!
Very good video. Good detail and camera on the fuel and carb side. The muffler screen and chain oiler would have been a good thing to check. Thanks.
we were never allowed to run our chainsaws without the bar, chain and cover put on for the reason that the clutch drum could go flying and cause harm to self or other people
How does a centrifugal clutch fly apart, when there is a lockout holding it on?
by lockout, do you mean the small piece of spring steel known as a circlip, which holds the clutch drum and the floating rim sprocket to the crank shaft, which drives the chain? lack of proper maintenance can cause excessive heat build up within the clutch components, which can de temper the the circlip making it soft enough to deform, therefore reducing its ability to hold the drum to the crank,, or do you mean applying the chain break, which is a band of metal that encompasses the clutch drum to stop the chain rotation in the case of a kick back, in which case, if your revving the fck out of your chainsaw with it on, your probably not a regular chainsaw user@@user-mk4ij5tg4d
Thank you.....I'm not afraid anymore🤝🍻
Good! I do what I can. Thanks for watching.
I believe i would have cleaned the whole saw before rebuilding the carb.
Sounded good when you got done.
Well done!
Thank you!
Cool well done mate
That saw wasn't Dirty enough , not much use , ah ? Good work sir , get it fixed , then clean . Bless you
You win the internet my friend. ;)
Very good lesson thanks
You are welcome! Thanks for watching Walter!
so well done!
Thank you for the awesome comment and watching.
Why didnt you remove the high and low needles before ultrasinic cleaning? And why didnt you set the lever height inside carb?
I don’t know how you managed to do that carburettor work with rubber gloves man 🤣 bravo !!
Excellent video, just a couple of minor things. Use the end of a drill to install little mesh filter not eraser as thats porous and tiny flakes could go into filter. Forceps have sarated jaws so tape them or use thin rubber hoses over them so gently squeeze on the fuel fuel line would be safer. Also worth checking and cleaning groves in bar and inspect and sharpen chain and start and run saw with bar off to check oiler and check the chain socket ect for wear as 20 years it will be worn down you can also check and lube the needle bearing as that is forgotten. . Critical to keep carb area and work spotless or a tiny bit can get in a score your expensive bore and piston and its bye bye for compression and suction at that point.
Might wanna think about swtiching to decaf.🥴 Thanks for the carb kit links. Big help. 👍🍻
lol. Thanks for the awesome comment and watching the video. Glad I could help.
Well done!!
Have just ordered an ultrasonic cleaner for my 2 stroke kit. Couple of questions, what cleaning fluid do you use, can you put all the parts of these carbs in AND how about the metering diaphragms. I am new to all this and i'm trying to keep a fleet of inherited Stihl machines running.
I used La's Totally Awesome All Purpose Cleaner. In my opinion this works the best. I have a link for it in the video description if you want to see it.
You can also use Simple Green, but in my experience it turns the carburetors a shade of green. La's Totally Awesome All Purpose Cleaner does not do this and make the carburetors look brand new.
Thank you watching the video!
@@chainsawace1777appreciate this video and all the advice and experience you shared. Will have to see if I can find this available in Canada. Plus maybe you created an Amazon run on it as the link says unavailable! (I will look further when not using my phone). Thanks again. Glad this video appeared in my feed.
Good video 👍
Did that guy ever clean his saw? 🤤
I bought my first saw last February. MS250. Used it for my first public land firewood permit. It got dirty fast. I cleaned it between uses. Took four trees for 2/3 cord which was below what my permit allowed but I live in the city.
The dirtiest parts were with the chain amd sprocket but I also took care to clean around the fuel and oil caps before opening them. I've worked in a hydraulic repair shop for years so I know how bad contamination can be.
I can't buy non-ethanol fuel at the pump in Canada. My first use was with premium fuel with Stihl oil mix. I've purged it after I was done per Stihl storage instruction. I bought Tru-Fuel from Home Depot for next use as it has no ethanol to wreck the seals. I'll see how that performs next use.
Nice to stumble on your channel.
Greetings from the USA! Yeah, I dont think this saw was ever cleaned or maintained. LOL Thank you watching and for the comment!
Forceps are interesting. I wonder if that would have helped working on those small McCullough chain saws that have the fuel tank in front with the hidden fuel line with very little access?
Very helpful video! This is a project I think I need to tackle on my ms270. My ms270 will run until it gets too hot and will shut off. I can usually restart it right away but will shut down again and it sounds as though the gas may be boiling in the tank.
Go for it! Thanks for watching!
How’s your mixture?….and are the engine fins and air passages clean?
I mix 50:1 and I’ve also tried the pre mix in the metal quart bottles at 50:1. Also my saw is 90% cleaner than the saw in this video. Lol.
Awesome content! 👍🏼
thank you I lave it
Thank you for watching and the kind comment.
The whole saw needs a bath
Yes it did. Thanks for watching!
Before pulling the carb off blow off all the loose crud. No need to dirty the ultrasonic fluid more than you have to.
Might be a long comment but i tried to squeeze as much as i could in this context...
The entire video is heartwarming,found out the hard way and learned exactly what you've done to the carburetor,but there is a habbit that can devastate the engine if you don't know what it does...cold starts man...never rev up immediatelly and for sure no throttle pulses,can ruin the needle bearing from the crank journal,if the piston needle bearing is ruined,you will not know untill the crank bearing is fked,and you may have no symptoms nor any ideea but will happen sooner than you may think,this is way worse in cold wheater,steel warms up slower than the aluminium,let some time to equalize the temperature of the engine parts bro...,educate yourself and your clients will be thankfull to you and you will earn more quality clients,wich is also a good way to ensure the bussiness along the times.
1. Here's the thing: that level of maintenance is beyond most of us chainsaw owners.
2. Paying for the parts AND man-hours to get a professional to do it all... can cam close to the price of a refurbished chainsaw.
As for most of us non-professionals: we don't KNOW if we're going to be cutting again tomorrow... or in a week... or in 6 months, so the fuel stays in the tank. If it rots or separates and damages all those seals... there's bugger all we can do about it.
Love my Stihl... but after replacing the manual primer thingie... and losing various screws thanks to vibration... I'm getting tired of it all.
Sometimes it's easier and cheaper to retire stuff and get a new one.
Great video but why cleanup after the fix??
What cleaning solution do you use in your ultrasound? Thanks for the vid. Just found your channel. Good luck!
I use La's Totally Awesome All Purpose Cleaner. It works so amesomely! Im putting an Amazon link in the video description for you to see it. Thanks so much for watching. Side Note - you can use Simple Green. However, in my experience it turns the carburetor a shade of green. Awesome All Purpose Cleaner, on the other hand, makes carbs look brand new. Thanks again for watching!
I'm sure the owner appreciates you blowing crap into the intake... as you cleaned it AFTER removing the carb. Nice...
Nothing at all was blown into the engine. I hope your day gets better man. Thank you for the view.
Anything can be done better or different. What your video did was help people. Keep the videos coming!
1348 why not ultrasonic clean all the plastic?
I would recommend checking the oiler system while the side cover and bar are off. But then again that's another job/charge. Lookin don't cost much. Ethanol sucks.
Why didn't you clean the machine before working on it.
At least it was easy to remov the chain and bar from the saw. If bio oil was used as lubricant i often see very resinous residues glueing chain and bar together so that it won't move at all. It takes a few days in petrol/gas to resolve a bit. Also some lye with alcohol is working sometimes. But its really hard and takes a lot of mechanical effort to make the chain move smoothly again.
Thank you for the comment my friend. I hope you have a great day!
Great job, i would have pulled it down and cleaned all of it😁
Sheesh @ 09:08. I have to concur with others in here, mighty filthy looking the area behind where you were putting the fuel line in? Nasty! I’m glad you finally cleaned it up @ 10:46! Whoever was the owner/ operator of this saw should have been ashamed! Nice job when it’s all said and done!
Thanks for the comment and view.
My metering diaphragm in my Husqvarna pole saw just failed and I never have used ethanol fuel. I've been using it since 2004. I guess 20 years is reasonable.
Poor Saw! That was nasty dirty! Sheesh!
Agreed!
clean your work area: compressed air
Just saying i always clean my ms daily but for sure before servicing.
You can sort mine next I think I need a new coil in it
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Think I would clean from to start so no shit go,s in the carb ,plus I was told not to run a chainsaw without the bar and chain fitted ,
I AllWAYS spray off fuel cap and oil cap with brake cleaner before I open it , keeps lots of trash out 😊
Great advice! Thanks for watching!
I blend my own bar oil and it costs me nothing. I get used hydraulic oil and used hypoid diff oil from a big truck repair company who has lots and just sends it to recovery. About 25% diff oil and 75% hydraulic oil with plenty of oil feed pump setting. I can cut all day with cheap bars and chains and not retension for several days. The chains end up sharpened to nothing. The bars and sprockets hardly wear at all, the oil stays in the groove and the oil pump never needs more adjustment.
What do you use to clean the plastics with
Not thoroughly cleaning away the residue within the interior prior to disassembly of critical parts serves to invite further trouble later.
Thanks for watching. Have a great day.
why do you NOT clean this saw before working on it ???
Ateast the caps still work. I hate these caps. Like the flip up ability but should have more threads and not just tabs😢
Clean it before you start, is my tip