Stumbled upon this channel just a few days ago and I can't stop watching. Excellent work behind these videos - the background research, authentic materials, the narration, psychological analysis, narrator's voice, even minor details like added subtitles and notes. For some reason this channel is also scratching the itch of the cancelled Mindhunter season 3 for me. PS: Did anyone else take a break every time the interrogator did? (lol)
Mindhunter lead actor Johnathan Groff is agent smith in the new matrix movie. Between true crime channels like this and seeing him again definitely help me cope lol
Just realized Alyssa’s grandmother is yelling “IT’LL NEVER BE OK” as clearly someone was trying to console her outside by telling her “It’s going to be ok”. Absolutely haunting moment.
Yeah, I feel really bad for her. It made me think of my grandma and how it would destroy her if any of her grandkids did something even CLOSE to this terrible. Nobody should ever have to be involved in any way with something this awful.
@@Nemesis9K people don't know what to say. what are you supposed to say to comfort someone in this situation. people say it is going to be okay to try and calm someone down without fully understanding that it often creates the opposite effect.
My heart goes out for the grandma. She took her grandkids out of a bad situation. Then, she finds out her granddaughter killed a nine year old. Which must be devastating.
Imagine how she feels regarding Elizabeth’s family and the community. Grandma inadvertently brought evil to their doorstep. Elizabeth may be alive otherwise. As always, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
I feel deep sadness for grandmother, but she sowed the wind (raising her troubled daughter) and then reaped the whirlwind (trying to fix a more troubled granddaughter). While individually, these stories are just anecdotal evidence, statistics bear this out to be true. But what are key correlations with criminality? Fatherless homes, poverty, drug abuse around children, being a victim of violence oneself. Seems like the whole list is here.
I hope that "child advocate" lost her job after this interview. Not only did she cause this confession to be inadmissible, but she was so unprofessional when Alyssa started to confess. The look of disgust on her face when listening to the details of the crime, asking the grandma if she wanted to leave the room, interrupting the investigator. It was like no one trained her on how to properly do her job. I'm so irritated.
Maybe she was truly disgusted and said screw it. 🤣 look tell them what happened or I’ll!!! She forgot what her job was that’s what happened. Whose side do you go on in this situation. He’ll someone obviously needed to ask Grams if she wanted to leave bc that wail 😩 ugh. That poor woman. The fact it was thrown out even tho it’s so clearly the truth. I wish our system wasn’t so complicated. I won’t say she should loose her job bc being human took over. I’m over her ready to slap the truth out the girl 🫣 it was Totally unprofessional tho 😂
@@emptyness7 That irked me too! Dude thought he was about to get either locked up or murdered by his girlfriend. But then the officer’s laughing like, “It’s just a prank bro.”
Just an update: Alyssa was also charged and convicted of armed criminal action, so even if she gets parole on the murder charge in 2024, she will still have to serve the additional 30 years for that, as it was posted consecutive to the murder charge, and she cannot get early parole on that charge (barring more changes to the laws). So her actual earliest release date as of right now is 2054.
@@october_stormz Its usually an extra technical charge to get around lighter sentences, like in this case. It's why you will see 5 or more different charges in a murder case, because the prosecution hedges their bets that even if the state or the judge puts down a light murder charge, for example, they will still get more years tacked on. You see it a lot in cases where a DA wants to make a statement or is in a county or state where murder or any felony charge isn't an automatic life.
Also, even if she can request a parole hearing in X number of years, that doesn't mean she'll GET parole. They will look at cases individually at that point, and particularly violent or awful cases, people usually don't get parole. Like the Manson murderer cultists, they've been asking for parole every chance they get for decades, as far as I know none have been given it.
@@redheat465 oh, i just found their channel and i think theyre really great. By " bias" do you mean the occasional joke the narrator cracks at the monsters expense? because ive never seen a problem when that happens. they deserve to get roasted. or do you mean something else? interested to know.
The noise her grandmother made when she found out how she killed Elizabeth gave me chills. Imagine loving your grandchild and then finding out that they did THAT to an innocent little girl. She looked like she wanted to throw up.
Yeah and that Alyssa pretends to be sad about grandmas reaction but I can tell she’s annoyed and is like “you can leave” if you’re going to be a drama queen and make this about you grandma! This is my murder interview! Let’s not be selfish and ask how she’s doing “you can leave”
Early on when he asks Alyssa what she knows about Elizabeth, she says, "she's annoying," and they chuckle. Later it's revealed that the detective already knew that Alyssa had written about killing Elizabeth and described it as "ahmazing." It's impressive that he was able to put aside any disgust and focus on building rapport. I don't think many people could maintain that level of professionalism in those circumstances.
@@libertasautmors8995 that's not even remotely true. Law enforcement have to be psychologically evaluated and cleared of any pathological traits before they can even enter the profession. Promotion to interrogator happens through additional training and experience. I'm a psychologist married to a LEO.
A law enforcement officer who makes mistakes on this type of interrogation is ultimately removed from that kind of procedure. It is the survival of the fittest, one wouldn't let someone unprofessional interrogate a young girl in a child murder case like that.
it is incredible that the Juvenile Advocate only spoke for about a total of 30 seconds, and with that 30 seconds somehow destroyed the entire interrogation.
Honestly! I tried writing a murder mystery and had to give up because the thought of the amount of work (and guilt from me as a writer) all for definite failure (as the heroes are the detectives) was exhausting and my very smart villain character came to the conclusion that simply upending their life and moving away from the would be victim was much easier (leaving a note reading “God, you’re insufferable” on their door to be a jerk about it) Tldr: you’re 100% right.
This is the first time I’ve ever seen a family member of a guilty person actually have an emotional response to finding out their loved one did something so horrible. They’re usually just really quiet, automatically go on the defense (telling their family member to shut up or get a lawyer), or are in complete and utter denial. As tragic as the reaction is, at least it shows that her grandma is a decent human being capable of empathy and acceptance of the clear facts.
Exactly! Hate seeing parents click from caring parent to defensive psycho-lover. I would be scared of my kid if I found out they murdered a defenseless child!
definitely. i do remember the interview of a paternal grandmother whose family was responsible for the murder of the grandbaby's mother over custody dispute. she was shifty and 'crying' no tears.
I think in large part it's because the grandmother had actually invested a lot in Alyssa she felt betrayed and distraught probably also blaming herself. I imagine after everything she has been through for those kids and probably already blames herself for their parent's failures, she just became overwhelmed and felt helpless. She also seems like a really good-natured person and didn't believe Alyssa could do anything like this which would have become a conflict within herself also, as if she was less good-natured, less 'naive' then maybe she could have known it was possible and stopped her. I'm not saying anyone should expect this to be a possibility within their own family but it's what she was probably thinking after hearing the confession. Just completely overwhelmed. Additionally, she's kind of 1 extra step removed - being the grandmother, a parent's response might be less severe because their upbringing of the child probably influenced the chance they could do something like this. It stands to reason if your daughter is super fucked up, you might be too.
Denial and anger are often the first 2 stages of grief. I think it's a bit harsh to judge parents for reacting in such a way, tbh. No one wants to believe that someone they love so much can do something so horrible, it's a defense mechanism for a lot of people. Cut them some slack, they're not the one's on trial smh
Im pretty sure most people are not surprised when their family members kill someone because they are like “ya, I can see that”. I don’t know why this Grandma was surprised at all this girl was showing clear signs of depression and clear signs she was capable of hurting herself or others. Did she not look at her MySpace? Not even once?
I got caught lying when I was a kid about a piece of gum I stole from my sister. I cried during my confession. Thinking back, I wasn't thinking about my sister whose gum I stole or my mom who endured my denials. I was only crying because I was embarrassed and humiliated about getting caught. I don't think Alyssa's weeping has anything to do with remorse or her victim. It's all about getting caught and what her grandma, the advocate, and the interrogator think of her.
to be fair tho you can simultaneously feel remorseful for your actions because you got caught. it may not wholly register what you did was wrong until you get reprimanded for it. especially considering shes not a kid but a teenager. assuming you were like under 10 during this gum incident, ordinarily kids dont fully understand remorse the same way older people do. so you get embarrassed when called out for bad behaviour. if anything she probably feels sorry for her family having to learn the truth like this. she seemed like she genuinely cares about her grandma so probably feels bad that theyre gonna suffer for this too.
You said "i was only crying because i got caught" Wich is remorseless, and then you proceed to say "it's all about getting caught" I'm trying to figure out if you have similar mental conditions or are trying to be positive?
“I was supposed to take my little sister with me, but I ditched her because she’s annoying” and there were TWO holes but only one victim... this monster was planning to kill her little sister too.
@@CrazyK-sm5xfby the looks of the house they weren’t poor by any means her mom was just a spoiled fk up most likely.. her mom came from good family probably chose to run the streets on her parents dime
Absolutely, I agree. With most psychopaths like this who go on to become serial killers (and this girl had the potential to be a serial killer if she wasn't so messed up) they start off by inflicting cruetly on or killing animals, then progress onto humans.. and you can see that pattern with this girl.. holes start appearing in the woods and she's burying animals, then she's having fun watching her twin brothers get electrocuted, and finally it progresses to a brutal killing of a helpless child and she actually enjoyed it and got a high from it, rather being repulsed, shocked and sickened by it as most normal people would. All the classic signs were there that this girl was very disturbed and a ticking time bomb.
Absolutely! Most all potential killers find enjoyment in killing animals before finally moving to killing humans. It’s psychologically proven and most all of them claim to love animals!
I feel so sorry for Emma aswell! Imagine she only wanted to play with her friend not knowing her sister was plotting to kill her. She’ll never get over that no matter how old she is. It’s heartbreaking.
@@wolfpriesty13 Elizabeth seemed like a surrogate for her sister because she knew she couldn't kill her; at least not without significant and immediate pressure/blame being put upon her.
@@wolfpriesty13 I was waiting for this comment, clearly that’s what the two holes were for. That’s why she said I just couldn’t do it. She was talking about Emma. {I believe} so sad.
honestly as soon as she said the knife is in the sink and she'd washed it my stomach turned upside down. Letting you're family eat from a knife you just killed a child with is just adding onto how sickening this girl is.
I feel so bad for that poor grandma, i think her scream after she leaves is her saying "it will never be ok" and it breaks my heart to hear such a caring lady's world crash around her and know I can't even hug her while she cries.
@@beckysloan2414 Ik they ask where were you on this day at this time like how tf am I supposed to know what I did last week I barely remember what I did today 🤣
Not only does her grandma have to cope with her granddaughter being a monster but I'm sure she's had Elizabeth over, been over to her house, and has gotten to know her parents. Imagine having to face an acquaintance who has tragically lost a child and it turns out to be at the hands of your granddaughter.
Exactly what i was thinking. Imagine having to live with that baggage. Both families are destroyed by this action. One loses a loved member of the family, another loses a friend and has to shoulder the shame of having raised a child killer. It's not to say that the grandmother has any blame, just that this type of thing follows you around for a long time, whether or not you had anything to do with the murder.
I've done a lot of research into this case and I found it very satisfying that the grandparents refused to hire a lawyer for Alyssa. They flat out refused. She got a court appointed lawyer.
People aren’t mentioning how that woman is so unprofessional that she thought she could elevate her status to interrogator and subsequently got this whole confession thrown out.
She also interrupted to talk to the grandma, an outside factor like that could make the suspect close up. You never want any distractions once you break through their defense
It was so obvious too, like she just couldnt stand to have the attention not be on her or wanted to be like hey I have power too in front of the girl. Then she is all with the grandma like that is NOT your job, your job was to be an advocate to the girl not act like a freaking hospice nurse. I cant fathom any reason shed do this other than ego and attention.
During the "intentional silence" and the "freeze response" if it werent for grandma still rocking jn the chair id have thought id accidentally paused the video! Man the tension in that room during that loaded silence 😮
The scream that her grandmother releases is almost unbearable to listen to. You can hear her heart breaking. Absolutely gut wrenching. I wish peace for her and her family, as well as Elizabeth and hers.
@@c0mmas Her Grandmother did say she had read parts of the diary, but obviously not recently. Alyssa was seeing a psychiatrist, taking medication and was a good student. Grandma only worked part-time and I don’t know if Grandpa was home, but don’t blame this Grandma. She was doing her best. Alyssa was really good at masking.
@@tweetiebirdism oh right, having a daughter getting pregnant at 15, letting their grandchildren live in a pigsty of a room or letting their eldest grandchild wander outside during late hours to "dig holes". did her best? HA.
I always thought this too lol like I carry my darkest secrets in the pit in my mind and will die with them never seeing the light of day. and these people write them down in a bright red journal hidden under their bed , written in glitter pens and every page signs off with “well that’s my crazy life diary” with a hand signature lol 😂
I've always had a suspicion people like that do it because part of them hope someone finds it. Like some deep part of her subconscious realized what she did was reprehensible, and that was a bit of self sabotage without her realizing it.
It’s how people especially kids cope when they feel like they have no one to talk to. It’s not abnormal or wrong. (And I know you didn’t say it was). Sometimes it helps to release feelings. You can’t keep things bottled up inside
@@jamess7745 100%. I definitely think that people write stuff down and write out their calls for help in a journal in hope that someone finds it and has a talk with them.. idk. Sometimes you can’t just tell your mom “I want to h*ng myself, I think about different suicide scenarios every day.” Sometimes you just write it down and hope your parents finds it. It’s like reaching out for help but at the same time not doing so at all. My parents have never found my journals from when I had my moments :P But I’m good now
Imagine being the detective and having all your hard work essentially destroyed by one sentence from the juvenile officer! My jaw dropped when she did that-
@@beeleyIt is a very small minority of people who think that way. I have seen so many people criticising this woman, both men and women, because she did poorly at her job and butted in when unnecessary
@@bhumibolrushing7830You are just making problems up so you can be upset about them. So many people are criticising this woman and rightfully so. No one excuses her actions from what I've seen. You're literally just making shit up so you can be mad at feminists or whatever for something that you say is happening.
It's cause her case is pretty sad she could a got help y'all saw her scars on her arm she was in too deep in this shit her mom was on dope her dad in prison she had no one all she had was herself
Imagine doing this entire investigation just for the court to label the confession as inadmissible in court because of that child advocate overstepping her boundaries wow
Him shushing her at 1:07:10 hit me to the core. I get that she was trying to be considerate but I feel for the interrogator who handled this so well just for it all to go up in smoke from her lack of professionalism.
An important note on 23:08 when he says he's scared he'll have another crazy girlfriend and the investigator laughs, he is laughing with relief knowing that this child is innocent and did not participate in this horrible crime. Investigators go through so much and have to literally process the worst of evil. His laugh is a sign of relief knowing the boyfriend is not a monster.
It's crazy how investigators most of the time can point out the evil or how I call it a demon taking over their life ( not possession ) But they let the negativity of this world or events in their life take over them, which like this guy said a traumatic experience in their life most likely from childhood. Sadly this girl was gone ( or consumed by evil ) as early as 7 or 8 years old her grandma was too late to save her even though she tried her best and her dad. Luckily her grandma was able to save alyssas younger brothers and her sister.
The juvenile advocate should not be a juvenile advocate! What a massive and costly mistake she made. This case is exceptionally heinous, but she seems exceptionally clueless.
I know. The way she was casually talking about the rugby stuff despite what was going on was a little strange, given the situation, but I guess maybe she was using that tactic of camaraderie.
@@sweetluvgurl Yeah, she was likely trying to build rapport but that was the job of the investigator not the juvenile advocate. She’s just there to make sure the minors rights aren’t infringed upon to my knowledge. She inserted herself where she didn’t need to be indeed.
Thank you! I had to scroll way to far to find this comment. She needs to be brought up on charges for interfering with a police investigation or fired at the very least. Completely unprofessional. Her job is to make sure the suspects rights weren't violated nothing else, that means sit back and let the actual professionals do their jobs.
That made me so sad and stressed. I just know she wanted to help but her mistake not only may have affected the way the interrogation was proceeding but it cost a huge piece of evidence.
It's heartbreaking to hear the grandma's grief on the other side of the door. Hearing such raw emotion like that really gives me goosebumps; it's not something that you hear too often
@@heatherbrooks7479 she gave her second chance with hope for bright future and everything fall like castle of broken glass.This killer girl deserves to rotten in the prison.
The detective must have been so so frustrated with the juvenile advocate, who clearly doesn’t know how to do her job! My heart goes out to the grandma and Elizabeth’s poor family.
When he finally got her to admit it was an accident, the advocate immediately said something to the grandmother and you can visibly see the detective get pissed off at her.
At least you know..I was a firm believer that there was nothing that the police could throw at me that I could handle it ..until I found myself confessing to a crime that I DID NOT commit..because it was easier to accept probation than to roll the dice and gamble on a ten year sentence..I choose my freedom ..I already know I can do probation because never got in trouble before and I didn't do anything wrong to began with ..it was harder to fight ..it was easier to just cop out
It disturbs me so much to see how she shows so much “remorse” to the detective but in her diary talks about how much she enjoyed it. It’s so clear that she was being manipulative.
@@BLAZENYCBLACKOPS it for sure was. It was so blatantly fake remorse for what she had done. She was just upset that she got caught she thought she would get away with it.
This girl (woman by now) is incredibly dangerous. Would they have even found Elizabeth if it weren't for the diary entry? At 15, she was clearly a convincing liar and showed absolutely no remorse when asked to consider Elizabeth's family. She enjoyed what she did after planning everything. Strangulation is one of the most intimate ways to kill someone because it takes long minutes to kill the person, and she was so casual when she said she did it from the front, meaning she watched Elizabeth die slowly. Who watching this truly thinks that she is going to be reformed into a different person when she is going to be released? My guess is that she will not be keeping a diary after this. I also don't think she acted alone. Her boyfriend also knows something since he said 'they' during his interrogation.
thats because prozac makes ppl do insane things. tons of the school shooters were on SSRIs, its not like depression is something new yet school shootings are a recent thing that correlate with the rise in anti depressant drugs
When she called the little girl she killed "annoying" it went right through me. I watch these things and just can never seem to grasp how evil ppl can be.
@@insertnameher31 you are right, she says “I was supposed to take my little sister with me, but I ditched her because she’s annoying” Although she does also call the little girl annoying to when asked about her
@@insertnameher31 she calls both of them annoying. What disgusted me is when he asked what Elizabeth was like she said girly and annoying like the comment above me stated
The grandma's cries made this the first of these videos to make me cry, so i took a small break and finally took time to realize the gravity of EVERYTHING that happens with murder, and I ended up sobbing. Emotion is so strong, even through a screen
During the 70 seconds that the detective sat silently staring at Alyssa, my heart was absolutely pounding out of my chest. I don't know how she stayed so cool. I probably would have fainted.
i had so much anxiety watching this it gave me a headache!😅 I was like oooo this is getting intense I had to pause at some moments. Nonetheless I watched the whole 2 hours and it was worth it!
@@blackperson4433 yeah me too. I watched this yesterday and my heart was beating so fast all the time as if I was in her place or something. The tension is insane. I had to pause for a few seconds sometimes too
Externally, she was cool. Internally she was shitting so many bricks that you couldn't even begin to imagine the size of the house she was about to build.
They found writings on her wall that she wanted to kill her sister. In some way in Alyssa’s mind, I believe this little girl was a replacement for her younger sister.
It was her sisters best friend so a replacement is probably right. She called her sister annoying so maybe went for her instead of her sister? I don’t get the other hole though was she planning on killing someone else?
@@Sarah-m17 I know that they believe that the graves may have been dug for her brothers but my immediate thought was that her plan was to kill her sister and her sister’s friend
Such a tragedy. Poor Elizabeth thinking she was just going on a play date, never gets to go home. My heart aches for grandma, she was trying to help her out of a shitty situation and ended having the neighbour's kid killed.
The grandmothers reaction is so sad, she wanted so bad to believe that Alyssa didn’t do this. As soon as she said “Yeah” to the girls throat being cut her grandmother immediately breaks down. :(
"It will never be okay," hearing the way she cried that out had my heart drop. That was an infinitely more genuinely display of emotion than anything Alyssa did in her entire interrogation.
Despite all the awful stuff I’ve seen, this video has to be the most raw and heart dropping video I’ve ever watched. When she confessed to that, she ruined so many lives, her grandmas, siblings, the little girls family, everyone’s. I’ve never seen so many lives ruined at once..
She probably clutched all straws she could get, which may have allowed to construct a somewhat redeemable scenario. Her "yeah" extinguished that faint glimmer of hope for good.
The suspense the poor grandmother must have been in... Initially being 100% sure that this is just a mix-up or misunderstanding. And then slowly starting to doubt her faith in her granddaughter all the way up to having to accept the reality of it.
When they discovered she dug two holes and assumed she was intending to kill her brothers, I disagree. I instantly thought she intended to kill her sister and Elizabeth. Her sister was with her and Elizabeth prior to the murder (while she was luring Elizabeth away from her house), but then she “ditched” her. Perhaps she realized she couldn’t kill them both or had a change of heart?
I agree, they said she had that weird drawing on her wall with the wr*st c*t and her sisters name next to it. I think she just saw two little girls who are friends and thought they were perfect targets
I think it's entirely possible she dug the first hole, realized its not a good enough spot and went to dig another one. If I remember correctly thats almost exactly what she said. So even though its totally possible she was planning to kill more than one person I would believe THAT part of her story at face value
Tragic thing is the counselor that was there to support alyssa, started interrogating alyssa and trying to take control and you can see the detective motion to her to be quiet when she asked grandma if she wanted to leave. The counselor was so bad this entire confession was thrown out. Luckily they didn’t need it.
I learned something there - not sure how her questioning was different from Rice's, enough to get the interview inadmissible, but if that counselor has been on the job for 12 years she should know the ropes.
Because she is suppose to protect the child and to be their advocate, not help the interrogator get a confession. She works for the courthouse not the police department.
I will never understand why guitly people don't just use their right for a lawyer, do they want to feel smart by thinking they can get away with it themselves? Idk
@@jules6596 They think they are much smarter than they are. Most of the time, the only reason they committed murder is that they believe they will get away with it. It's probably the dunning kruger effect as well. They are likely unaware of police interrogation techniques and think that they can just lie like they usually do
Oh my god it is SO frustrating to watch that “advocate” act like a detective, especially knowing that she’s the whole reason this entire confession was thrown out. I wanted to scream at her through the screen and tell her to just shut up!!!
@Shivani Sharma it was deemed inadmissible because " at least part of Bustamante's statement to police is not admissible, concluding that the juvenile officers questioning Bustamante used "deceptive tactics""
Omg me too! She was just dying to speak every second, any chance she could she jumped in, like don’t you understand this is a grueling process and everytime you interrupt rice has to start all over.
My heart goes out to the grandmother. The sound of her screaming, "IT'LL NEVER BE OKAY!" in pure anguish is devastating. 😔 Alyssa becomes more emotional as she hears it. You can see it on her face.
@@chef4025it’s a realization she lost the only person in her corner. This is a reaction to the loss of a possible enabler. This is a response from a crazy narcissist who’s losing the battle and she’s still trying to gain sympathy
@@mikaylawoods3226 that’s definitely possible if not probable. Idk I just can’t believe a mentally screwed young teen can’t recover with meds and therapy
When you get to the part that her boyfriend lied because he was scared she’d find out he told them the truth and she’d might kill him and his family…I can’t imagine being that young and going through that shit. that’s stress and anxiety no kid should face. Yikes.
I know... Then the transphobia later when they went after him for using "they" pronouns to describe his girlfriend. Honestly that would jave hit me even harder than the murder
@@bschneidez I’m not so sure about that. The murder is still worse. We’re talking about someone who brutally murdered a child with no remorse. I believe they were trying to figure out if she had any help. The investigators probably thought it was a slip up on his part. Also, it was 2009, you can’t expect them to conform to the social norms of 2022.
Yeah, and somehow the part where he says "I'm scared if I'm going to have more girlfriends like this." really hit me. Sure, it seems like an almost childish fear when framed next to a murder, but can you imagine how that must affect a growing teen? "Who can I trust from now? How can I even trust myself to not love another psychopath? Maybe I'm the crazy one for loving a killer and actually I deserve this." etc. I'm sure it messed him up.
@@bschneidez That wasn't transphobia. "They" originally refers to more than one person or thing. Seeing how the boyfriend referred to the suspect as "she" beforehand, it shows that she wasn't acting alone
@@InedibleMuffin He’s going to have major trust issues with future relationships. RIP. Imagine having to say your first girlfriend, (think it was his first) was a killer…yikes.
In the midst of all this tragedy, there's something so darkly wholesome about the teenage boy worrying if all his girlfriends will be like this. And the detective just chuckling and going "oh you poor thing". Just goes to show how young and naive the people involved are
I just commented cuz I got done chuckling at that part too. "We're not all that bad!" Says the lady in the room. Haha! Humans are such funny creatures!
Dustin's polygraph test is the perfect example of why polygraph test results are not admissible in court. He was asked 3 questions, all centered on whether or not he himself had killed Elizabeth, caused any harm to her, or had done anything which caused her death. And he hadn't. Yet the polygraph test showed that he was lying. As the narrator said..the polygraph can show that the suspect is nervous, but isn't able to tell what they are nervous about, or why. The poor kid had good reasons to be nervous, and none of them were because he had a part in that little girl's murder. Innocent people fail polygraph tests all the time, for reasons that have nothing to do with being guilty of the crime. Polygraph tests results in general are simply too unreliable to be used in court because of this.
“Nervous has got nothing to do with it” I was screaming “isn’t that what it’s ALL ABOUT THO????!!!” Like his heart rate is up for a reason, you’re being implicated in a girls murder, you’re gonna be nervous ??? And it looked like they were talking in the darkest smallest room ever I’d be terrified
100% correct. It bothers me that its presented any other way. During this particular one the narr. was talking about intimidation literally as the det on screen is standing over the kid. polygraph is ridiculous.
@@thepolitecanadian117 I know right? I was thinking the exact same thing. The detective was being the literal definition of "intimidating". Then telling the kid that "nervous has nothing to do with it"..which didn't make any sense at all since a polygraph test is supposed to measure physiological responses to questions that might, in theory, make a guilty person "nervous". I felt awful for the kid having to go thru all that.
Her poor grandma was so innocent in the beginning, just rocking back and forth,to see that switch when she learnt the truth was horrifying. It was so educational to see first hand how families of murderers react. This is one of a kind footage
My heart absolutely breaks for this teen girl’s grandmother. She tried her best to help her and all this girl could do in return was to kill this beautiful little nine year old, who had her whole life ahead of her. She is only upset because she got caught.
@@faceripper77 if you're talking about her room being messy that's very normal for teenagers. If you're talking about the notes on her wall then yes their were signs.
@@chickadee39 theres messy and then theres her room. It comes down to mental issues and lack of discipline from the grandparents. They let her do whatever she wanted.
@@faceripper77 Sometimes, parents truly can’t help what their kids do. I used to be super judgmental of other parents because I had a few kids myself who were very well behaved and have great big hearts. However, I then had my youngest. She’s extremely difficult and no matter how much I try to help her in disciplining her and every other way imaginable, nothing works. She gets worse and worse. It puts a great big strain on all of us in our household. It’s so hard to see my kids who are so good suffer because of it. I respect your opinion. I just personally feel occasionally it is not the parents(or grandparents in this case)fault. It is sometimes a mental health issue or in this girls case, her pathetic parents likely are the ones who messed her up. Not the grandparents. She was too far gone by the time they got to her. It is said a child’s personality is formed by the age of 5 I believe?
@@two2truths For lighter/different approaches to true crime, Coffeehouse Crime is pretty good. Boze vs. the WORLD is a fun ADHD jaunt through all sorts of cases & she has a good take & breakdown of psychology & communication tactics employed. & Bailey Sarian has/had a Monday Murder, Mystery & Makeup series where she talks through a case while doing her makeup.
I can’t even imagine what/how this detective felt (I’m sure he was livid), when he found out all his hard, excellent work was for nothing, because the “advocate” chick wanted to feel important and couldn’t keep her damn trap shut. I hope she got some serious consequences for her unprofessional behavior and causing a murder confession being inadmissible in court. Unbelievable
there was even another moment when hes in the process of finally getting her to confess and the liaison officer interrupts to see if the grandmother wants to go out. He has to stick his hand out to tell her to shut up and not ruin the moment.
Imagine the guilt Elizabeth’s mom feels. Knowing that you told your child no the first time but then convinced you to let them go with friends only to have the friends do something like this. Heartbreaking 💔
I remember I used to sneak out of the house thru the window to play at the neighbor kids house. My mom would rush over and take me home mad. I can't imagine the fear she must've felt tho, especially at this time when there seemed like endless stories of kids getting snatched.
Yes but I believe that Alyssa planned on killing this young girl either way! Whether it was that day or a week later, she was going to kill this young girl no matter what! It’s unreal to imagine but happens everyday!!
I’m sure her poor mom feels guilty, as any loving parent would but this is in no way her fault and there is likely no way she could’ve stopped it! Evil is evil and it ruins lives every single day! Sending prayers to these poor families! May God be with them. RIP Elizabeth!!
The boyfriend… It sucks that Cops really rely on a lie detector test that reacts from blood pressure and heart rate. I am a generally anxious person and would be extremely nervous and anxious under the same circumstances, regardless if I did the crime.
No matter how much she cried, I couldn’t feel a shred of sympathy for her. So many people have messed up childhoods yet most of them managed not to kill an innocent child. That poor victim and her family!
Exactly. I'm sick of people saying, "because of her traumatic childhood it's understandable", there are people that had it way worse than this girl, yet they don't turn into violent murders... smh
Today I found out that this girl has FANS, on Twitter and Reddit, and I have never felt such disgust for other people. This person planned on murdering an innocent CHILD and tried to cover her evidence like the coward that she was. How people like Alyssa could have fans, who demand for her freedom is disgusting to me.
It's probably because of her style and the subculture she belongs to called scene, which was really popular in the 2000s. Some people are just too stupid to fully realize what she did and just enjoy her aesthetic
I have the feeling that this young child was a stand-in for her sister. She says how annoying she is and there are “poems” on her wall about how much she hates her. It would explain a lot in the way of her desire to kill her. I wouldn’t be surprised if the hole was in fact dug ahead of time for the sister.
I thought similarly, that she wanted to kill Elizabeth and her sister Emma, that she could lure the former to the woods with the latter, and kill them both. But perhaps the logistics of controlling 2 people before killing them was too much and could throw off her plan or get her caught, or maybe she didn't want to cause her grandparents to suffer (since psychopaths want to maintain their mask or illusion of self with their loved ones: in this case, good in school, lots of friends, happy, in short, "normal"; this also explains Alyssa inviting her grandmother to leave before her own breakdown), how would she be able to explain the deaths of both girls? In any case, from what I gleaned from this, Alyssa had a lot of rage towards Elizabeth. Elizabeth lived with her parent(s), who loved and cared for her (no playing outside after dark!), worries about her; she was a girly girl, innocent. I don't think Alyssa even actively considered this, which is why she couldn't tell investigators her motive. Was it a thrill kill? Yes, certainly, but that doesn't mean there wasn't any meaning behind who she chose as a victim.
When youre hungry u get a desire to hunt your violent desires begun to rise to prepare you for the struggle of the hunt once you have killed a pray ur natural instinct is to feel joy because you will feed. Its ingraned within us after millions of years of evolution. The girl was given medication. She was having mental issues. How do psychiatrist seek to resolve mental issues? They give medication. What is medication? It is component that consists of a molecules that influnce your state of mind. Why did i bring hunger into this? Because when you dont feed correctly your body cannot manufacture in ur gut the appropriate nuerotransmitters (one example in this case seretonin) to produce the appropriate state of mind. And therefore supress your desire to hunt or do undesirable behavior. In the absence of these neurotransmitters other signalling occur and that will produce a behavior that will help you aquire the precursor to manufaturing of the essential nuerotransmitters. This behavior is violent because violence will result in your ability to hunt and obtain food ie resources for your body. I have taken synthetic version of naturally produced nuerotransmitters which suppressed all negative thoughts and results in an extrordinary amount of positivity. So i understand the importance of the molecules and power they hold over your state of mind and how to aquire them through the manufaturing of them in ur gut. This also overrides previous experiences which to some degree can be dangerous because you ignore any evidence or possibility of danger other may cause becuase of the overwhelming positve state of mind. This leads you to be too understanding and forgiving of others undesirable behavior. A balance is necessary of darkness and light.
I feel horrible for her boyfriend. Imagine finding out your partner killed a nine year old girl and could kill you next. Hes gonna have major trust issues for the rest of his life :(
Imagine being the interrogator, wishing you could tell the counselor to stop talking, but having to press through in order not to lose whatever else could be gained from the interview.
@@travispratt6327 I don’t think she would’ve understood what the tap would imply, because she thought she was doing everything right. Or he didn’t want to interrupt her thing and make it look strange in front of the grandmother and slow the flow that was interrupted even more… not sure, just my thoughts
@@travispratt6327 I'm asking the same thing. Why didn't he say let's step out of the room then tell her to zip it, or was it too late? 🤔 I don't understand how she was unsure of this extremely important part of her job.
I personally think what she did was try and make her feel comfortable specially when it was starting to get a little tense. Isn’t that her job or was she out of line I have only really seen attorneys in rooms
@@ashleylynn2701 Wayyyy out of line. Her job is absolutly not to ask questions or chime in with the detective. Her sole purpose is to make sure her rights as a minor are not being violated. I can't believe she wasn't fired. She could have legit made a violent sadistic killer go free. Yeah I'd say that's out of line. Watching it knowing what her job is makes this beyond cringy.
@@vegetablepimps ok thank you for that yeah I wasnt aware at first what the purpose of her in there was until it was stated she ruined the video because she was out if line. Thank you for explaining it because I was confused why it was a bad thing
Whenever I watch any sort of videos about cases like this on RUclips I get so bored within the first 5 minutes of watching anyone elses channel that I have to stop the video, leave their channel and make sure Explore with us hasn't done that specific case already. Keep up the great work, EWU!
It’s clear she wasn’t crying for remorse. She was feeling sorry for herself. Every time the victim was brought up, and her own grandmother breaking down, she showed zero reaction or empathy. “You can leave now” says it all.
I was a Parole Officer for 12 years. During that time I managed the reintegration of a number of psychopaths, and typically, they would speak abruptly, and in short sentenced in emotional situations because they couldn't find the empathy or compassion you and I might exhibit by default.
@@MaccaBased Damn! I don’t have your experience but I’ve also spoken to two psychopaths in my life and they both had a very dry, straight to the point way of talking, at least in conversation that involved more personal topics. It’s funny how movies normally portray them as maniacal and demented, but a lot of psychopaths are just very cold in demeanor.
I believe Alyssa was going to kill her little sister AND Elizabeth, but she realized she either couldn’t go through with killing her sister or she couldn’t kill them both at the same time. I don’t think it makes sense that she planned to kill her boyfriend, brothers, grandma etc. The holes were big enough only for a 9 or 6 year old girl. Also, Alyssa knew that her little sister would be easy to subdue, similarly to Elizabeth. It also explains why she cryptically wrote her little sisters name on the wall along with other dark things. I believe she fantasized about killing her little sister, and that Elizabeth was either a warm up or a substitute.
I was thinking the same thing the whole time, the way she was so cold to her grandma too makes me think she really didn't care for any of her family, but with the childhood she had it is not super unlikely
Went to the same school as Alyssa in the same year. Knew a lot of the same people. I remember the exact day Elizabeth went missing. While the whole thing was going on all of her boyfriend, Dustin's calls were monitored everyday and every night so my friends and I were only able to talk to him for about 5 minutes one night, but yes, he was absolutely terrified of Alyssa
When your a sociopath, and you want to convince people, nodding yes while answering questions while telling lies is what they do. Just look at those interviews with Elizabeth Holmes when people question her
31:39 Juvenile counselor makes her first intervention in the interrogation. 52:35 Juvenile counselor builds rapport with Alyssa. 1:02:31 Juvenile counselor makes a serious error by involving herself in the questioning. 1:13:14 Alyssa finally admits to cutting Elizabeth's throat. 1:36:29 Juvenile counselor makes another intervention. 1:40:50 Juvenile counselor pushes for any last pieces of information that Alyssa could be concealing.
The detective even had to put his hand out at one point to ask her, subtly, to shut the hell up. Getting that confession thrown out in court due to her conduct is a serious mistake that might have had pretty serious consequences with regards to her career.
I hope Alyssa’s younger sister who befriended Elizabeth doesn’t blame herself for this. I cannot imagine how she felt about this, she was just a child and Emma had no idea that her older sister was about to kill Elizabeth.
@@AJice1980 well , a neighbor u played with frequently is gone forever and your sister killed her the same day u last met.... I duno man you tell me if that would haunt her for life
@@Sakkaz There is absolutely no reason a person who was 6 years old would or should feel any type of guilt. Are you kidding me? A 6 year old has a hard time even comprehending that death is permanent. Now that she's older if she feels any guilt it's on her. I'm sure she knows if it didn't happen that day it was going to happen tomorrow or the next day. There's a lot of situations in life where people unknowingly or unintentionally caused the death of another person and felt like it was their fault. But in no way should she feel at fault for something that happened when she was 6 years old.
No one’s mentioning how traumatic this must be for Emma. The poor baby just wanted to play with her friend. How could she have known her sister was sick in the head. The guilt she must feel is insurmountable. My god.
Really, you went through all the thousands of comments on this video, just to establish that no one mentioned this? Everyone needs a hobby, I guess. Yeah, I know I'm being an asshole, but I'm getting really sick of comments like this on every video.
@@wasneeplusYou need to chill out. She’s probably just sad no one is really worried about Emma compared to the victim and killer and they’re right. Obviously it’s gonna be more about the victim and the killer but I get what they’re saying. It made me think jus sayin.
@@kiwibirdie7585 I feel totally zen, my friend. In any case, the substance of her comment wasn't the issue. It this "everyone is talking about this, but I noticed that" style of comment which just irks me. I see it under every popular video, and it strikes me as an underhanded humble brag to point out how different you are from other people. And no, it's not important. But neither is responding to my comment, and yet here we are.
@@wasneeplusTrue, this is an old case. There are so many comments that are talking about how traumatic it must have been for Emma. But I think this person just wanted to feel "different" by making their own reality in order to validate such a silly comment "Anyone out there?" after all this time (the case is from 2009), just seems strange.
That part really breaks my heart and infuriates me. I have 3 small children, and stories like this make me watch them like a hawk. Yeah, it might look like paranoia to others, but I refuse to take that risk.
You can't feel guilt for a murderer getting to your loved one! If Alyssa hadn't gotten her that day, it probably would have been another! Don't waste energy on useless regrets or guilt! Focus on creating a foundation to prevent violence against children.
@@AraCod lol what? I thought the reason the mother originally said no was because it was close to dinner time. No where is it mentioned that Elizabeths mother originally said no because she had a gut feeling something bad was going to happen to her daughter. You're reaching a bit here
I remember when I was a kid, we were on a break, playing outside. Then, I saw this kid grabbing a possum from the tail and throwing it against a wall, then he kept grabbing it and doing the same thing over and over. The poor animal was bleeding everywhere, he was alive throughout the whole time he was being tortured... I was the ONLY kid who tried to stop him, but I couldn't, I was crying and screaming. That happened about 45 years ago, and still breaks my heart to remember that atrocity. I always wonder if that guy is a serial killer today.
Jesus christ, I'm tearing up just reading this, kids can be cruel, usually it's abused children, bused by people, who were abused as children by people, who were abused as children. I wonder how do we stop this. I don't think they can be rehabilitated...
I get the impression that although her grandmother is shocked by what’s happened she’s not entirely surprised that her granddaughter has done something like this. There’s an immediate acceptance that her granddaughter is a murderer, I would’ve thought if she’d never shown any really violent tendencies she would’ve been in denial. She also never questions why they’re asking her all these things.
I was surprised it took her that long to react, before she even confirmed to slitting her throat, there was some major implications she did something to the girl. Accidentally hitting her head from falling, and the reason why all these questions were being asked would’ve clicked for some then. I guess she needed to actually hear it to believe it.. that poor woman.
The cop saying “you poor guy” and the girl off camera saying “we’re not all crazy” was a legitimately wholesome moment amid something so dark and horrible. It’s actually great to see it.
@The Hooded Vagabum how is that rude ? To me, saying "you poor guy" just shows how much the officer understood why the kid withheld information. Not because he had anything to do with it but because he genuinely scared for his family and had limited knowledge of the reach of law enforcement.
@@Techaro I don't think it's unprofessional to call someone guilty of premaditated murder crazy... And anyway to me her saying "we're not all crazy" is her way of telling the kid that she empathizes with him, that she probably would have done the same in this situation to protect her family not knowing that the cops could help you protect them.
I've seen quite a few people blaming the grandma for not noticing the horrible things Alyssa wrote on her walls so I just want to share my story. I had a rough childhood and when I was about Alyssa's age I started to get obsessed with the idea of death (difference is I had sever depression and BPD, I only wanted to hurt myself, not anyone else or animals), the thing is I used to write terrible things on my wall. I even draw a guy getting hanged. It was my way of asking for help and being pretty edgy I guess. My parents took me to therapy because of what I was saying but they truly thought the horrible stuff I was writing was just me being edgy and rebellious, and in a way I definitely was, I just wanted them to notice something was wrong. But they barely entered my room and I'm guessing Alyssa kept her grandma outside too. I guess what I'm trying to say it's that the world it's full of "problematic children" but the majority of us won't kill a freaking kid, I cried at flies getting killed, for example. I know the majority of people know this but for the ones who are being annoying: the grandma did her best, give her a break.
These videos usually never impact me emotionally, but hearing that grandmother's anguish bothered the hell out of me. I cannot begin to fathom the pain she went through.
same :/ like i get chills every now and then from things ppl say on these vids but when she started yelling and crying like... damn. I just got CHILLS chills
I believe Alyssa originally intended to kill both her sister AND Elizabeth, but realized after bringing them both to the forest that she either couldn't do it, or realized that a double murder of two young girls (one of them being her sister) would focus the investigation more on her.
She is a psychopath with little to no empathy or attachments. They view things strictly objectively, through a lens of cold hard fact. Most likely, she recognized that a target too close to her (like, in her family) would not only make it easier for police to identify her as a suspect but also would be discovered quicker and offer less options for her to lie and cover it up.
@@nom7121 Simply put, I think she wanted to see what it felt like. Psychopaths are unable to make genuine emotional connections. They can't feel love like we do. Their viewpoint is purely coldly logical, without any care or feeling for others. They want what they want, other people be damned. She found her sister to be annoying and she wanted to know what it was like to kill, she had homicidal fantasies that she wanted to fulfill, so it made sense in her mind.
What makes you say that? The only time we saw any emotion or protective type indication in a non selfish form was extended towards her grandma (Alissa cried and broke down when she did and excused her from the room) and towards her grandpa (getting super defensive he wasn't involved and refusing to use him as a scapegoat whether involved or not or whether it would benefit her or not). It seemed like family was kinda the only place she seemed slightly humanized emotionally. (Keeping her dad's letters ... Ect) Contrast that to the way she spoke about Elizabeth when asked what she was like "she can be annoying" is basically all she had to say about a missing 9 year old while sitting in a literal interrogation room
@@drewlax23 Unfortunately, Alyssa is not the first psychopath I have seen. I have had the misfortune of meeting several in my personal life. Strong emotional displays of any sort make them extremely uncomfortable and they often will do whatever is necessary to get the emotional person out of their immediate vicinity so it's not surprising she told her grandmother she could leave. Additionally, with regard to her grandfather, I think there was a part of her that wanted to take credit for what she'd done. Most likely, she knew there was no way out of taking accountability for it as she knew for certain that the police already knew everything. She may have even wanted to take credit for it as narcissistic tendencies are often a factor in psychopathic behavior. More than likely, to this day she probably still savors the thought of the inhumane, gruesome act she committed against that poor little girl. It's sickening.
The teacher not seeing the "danger" in Alyssa could also be attributed to the pop and scene culture of that time. In 2009, being edgy and dark was the cool thing. She was an emo, someone who wears all black and, in some cases, puts on an act - some of my classmates acted like they had depression and faked cuts on their wrists. Alyssa, to me, seems like a normal scene girl from 2009.
Yep, this was scary to watch because this was how me and my friends were. The lyrics on the wall (especially bmth lyrics), the edgy random conversations about death, the weird obsessions with blood, the wrist scars (fake or real), etc. Etc. Literally I would have just thought she was a normal teen in our group. Although the way Alyssa is, the way she moves, the way she speaks, her mannerisms her expressions etc. They all remind me of my old best friend, it's quite unnerving to watch and see the similarities. Although my old best friend is now a functional woman who absolutely dotes on her children and loves them with everything she is. Weird to see.
As another emo I feel the same way tbh, her room looks a lot like mine did when I was younger. The same goes for the creepy writing and drawings, I imagine as a victim herself embracing the emo subculture was a crutch for her. It makes sense that nobody saw danger in her, these types of things are hard to predict.
I’m sure people will make fun of the boyfriend but just think… you’re young, you’re first gf and she’s a murderer 😳 I’d never date again she’s scary as hell
dustin's genuine fear of alyssa breaks my heart too. i cant imagine having to deal with KNOWING someone who straight up murdered someone, especially when you're a maturing kid/teen. that stuff is gonna stick with you for the rest of ur life.
@@z3ngz i have issues with his story. firstly, was he the one standing near the guardrail on the night of the crime? the video didn't explain who it actually was. also, near the end of the video he referred to the killer(s) as THEY. the fact that he straight up lied in the beginning told me he was hiding something deeper than just fear for himself and his family. if he had true fear, the truth would have came out right away.
It just kills me that the confession was thrown out bc the juvenile officer spoke out of line. So much for working with kids “for years”, I can’t even imagine how painful it was for Elizabeth’s family to see this confession be dismissed in court.
Right! She's in the wrong line of work. I don't know if the scope of the case helped her toss away any semblance of professionalism, but she's absolutel garbage.
I know, then right as the confession started, the juvenile advocate starting speaking to the grandmother! The investigator had to shhhhh her and put his hand up. I hope she hasn't ruined any other cases!
@@doth.616 She didn't "ruin" this case necessarily. A confession isn't a requirement for a person to be convicted of a crime. She was still convicted, sentenced, and serving time.
@@trevordonaldson7634 Luckily, bc there were lots of evidence like her diary but this isn't usually the scenario so is she does this at least 1 out of 20 cases, she is severily endengaring a process. I hope when she saw that her incompetence resulted in that, she accepted her errors.
To me it sounds like she wanted her little sister dead but knew she couldn’t get away with it so she went after the next ‘best option’. The drawing on her wall with Emma’s name and the slashes on the head said a lot. She also said her sister was annoying just like she said Elizabeth was annoying.
And the way she said "annoying" sent chills up my spine. I've heard other killers refer to their victims as "bothersome", "frustrating", or just downright "inconvenient", and they all say it in that sort of bemused, flat tone. Like they're talking about a neighborhood dog that barks too much or a gnat buzzing around their head. There doesn't seem to be any connection to the fact that they found them annoying, so they ended their LIFE. It doesn't seem an in-congruent chain of events to them at all, and that casual tendency they have when talking about their victim always makes my stomach knot. The disparity becomes even more clear when you compare that reaction to how they react when they've been caught. The sadness of the situation doesn't apply when the interrogator is asking her what she thinks of Elizabeth, knowing what she's done, but only when she's caught and her theatrics might in her mind buy her some leniency.
I agree with most of that but have you actually looked at the drawing? It’s clearly not slashes across the face but bangs swiped across one eye…like Alyssa has in about 100% of her pics from the time. Also the drawing had slashes on the wrist…which aren’t typically a homicidal thing. Emma’s name was by the mouth. To me that’s clearly a drawing of Alyssa saying Emma’s name. If it has anything at all to do with the murder then it could be a depiction of Alyssa calling Emma to go fetch Elizabeth. There were a lot of things on her walls that I feel were blown out of proportion. One “evidence” photo shows “It was written in blood. It was written in blood!” And “Rawr” written side by side on the the wall. Those are literally just two song titles from the band Bring Me the Horizon.
@@curtf9813 With this being a pretty brutal murder case I wouldn’t say that evidence was blown out of proportion because she was obviously really mentally disturbed but in a normal kid’s room I wouldn’t think much about song lyrics or titles. And yeah maybe so about the drawing!
1:15:24 hearing her grandmother scream, “It will never be OK“ was absolutely gut wrenching. I’m assuming someone told her, “It will be OK” and that’s how she reacted. I can’t imagine how she must feel to know that someone she raised, was capable of such a brutal act. I feel so bad for Elizabeth’s family, but I also feel bad for this girls family. Her grandparents thought they did what was best for her but unfortunately they were too late in intervening with her life as a young child. Both sides are losing a child, but one side will never get that child back. This whole case is so sad. None of this had to happen. I have teared 😢 up multiple times listening to this interview.
I have no love loss for this girl, everything she did was a choice. I came from a home like she did, I was diagnosed with bi-polar/manic depressive w/anxiety and PTSD and even though I understand why she is the way she is, she chose that way and will never fully have to experience the level of pain the others went through which is sad...
She’s likely the one who contributed to how her kids turned out anyway, and then failed to get her granddaughter help. So, it’s like take at least a little accountability there, grandma.
@@sweetluvgurlquit making assumptions. If you’re gonna say that, then why stop with the grandmother? It was ACTUALLY the grandmothers parents fault for how they raised the grandmother. See how pointless this is? It can go on forever and does nothing but give YOU a new detail to fetishize.
That poor interrogator. He had a lot going on. That rookie women out spoke. Then the grandmother. I cant even imagine what grandmother is going through. That interrogator was really good. He got her to confess even with all those obstacles he had in the room. Meaning that other women, grandma and little girl. He’s a pro!!
@@lhibawafa9815 exactly what I think about when I watch these videos. I’ve been binge watching all these interrogated videos. I can’t imagine having to do this for a job everyday, over and over. My dad was a homicide detective. Never lived with him however, he’d tell me his stories.
The grandmother probably made Alyssa's counselor's presence a condition of permitting the interview, in lieu of an atty. So, makes me think school counselor already had a relationship w/the family. An bad omen?
seeing her cry knowing she's only crying over the consequences she's facing, is so disturbing. absolutely no remorse, i've known about this case for a while but seeing this makes my skin crawl.
Right!!! She’s crying for herself not for what she did. The grandma crying however, was really difficult to listen to. It broke my heart hearing the anguish in her voice.
Don't really find it all that disturbing. Women do it all the time as easily as they breathe. The only difference is that it isn't usually about murder.
Yes. Even if she had a tiny amount of Remorse or empathy, she wouldn't have been in the situation she was in. Also if the statements about the dead animals was true, highly doubt she found these dead animals and probably killed them herself, which is usually a Huge red flag indicating psychopathy.
Mmmmm!! Maybe or maybe not. Once I saw bloody drawings on my child’s wall, that would be the moment I took action. Or maybe she could have monitored her social media and internet usage a lot more. Or at all. That also is a sign to take action. It’s actually ok and good for a child to remove access from internet. It’s almost like the grandma maybe didn’t know how or what to do and put it all off on therapist and drs and didn’t want to challenge the girl at home.
@@ashleyodom4360 They said that she was sent to a place for her mental health issues, then was visiting doctors after and was on medication. The grandmother did what she could. Remember, being emo was also normal for a lot of kids at that time (depression looks different in today's kids compared to when I was young and emos were considered normal). Cutting and doing edgy stuff was how some kids showed their depression. This kid just happened to actually want to kill, rather than her edgy statements just being a cry for help
Unless we have lived with or raised a killer, I don't think we should speak on what the grandmother should've done differently 🤷♀️ I doubt she even knew the true dangers of her granddaughter having a phone or being on the internet. In fact, society still to this day shames parents for shielding thei kids from the internet & for not allowing cell phones. Just saying my two cents....
The poor boy fearing his family would be hurt. He seems so sweet and being so young and terrified, it's no wonder he lied. I am glad he was not involved.
honostly I felt he was signifying that he had less to do with the crime , especially with the follow up statement of fearing that he would have future girlfriends like that Edit: I think he knew more is what I'm trying to say
my son introduced me to your channel and it is such a change from the overly dramatized channels out there. You deal with the facts and explain as you go which i find such a change! thanks for bringing these cases to the people out here in you tube land !
Stumbled upon this channel just a few days ago and I can't stop watching. Excellent work behind these videos - the background research, authentic materials, the narration, psychological analysis, narrator's voice, even minor details like added subtitles and notes. For some reason this channel is also scratching the itch of the cancelled Mindhunter season 3 for me.
PS: Did anyone else take a break every time the interrogator did? (lol)
Mindhunter 3 cancelled?! 😳
Mindhunter lead actor Johnathan Groff is agent smith in the new matrix movie. Between true crime channels like this and seeing him again definitely help me cope lol
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@@exiledone69 It’s a tragedy. But it’s true. Another covid casualty…
No, but It did re-affirm my resolve to NEVER EVER talk to the police! I respond like that normally, when not guilty of anything...
Just realized Alyssa’s grandmother is yelling “IT’LL NEVER BE OK” as clearly someone was trying to console her outside by telling her “It’s going to be ok”. Absolutely haunting moment.
Yeah, I feel really bad for her. It made me think of my grandma and how it would destroy her if any of her grandkids did something even CLOSE to this terrible. Nobody should ever have to be involved in any way with something this awful.
now you say it i can hear it clearly got some good ears on ya
I can’t imagine being told “everything’s going to be okay” after THIS
@@Nemesis9K people don't know what to say. what are you supposed to say to comfort someone in this situation.
people say it is going to be okay to try and calm someone down without fully understanding that it often creates the opposite effect.
Right. Ugh that poor family
My heart goes out for the grandma. She took her grandkids out of a bad situation. Then, she finds out her granddaughter killed a nine year old. Which must be devastating.
Fuck the murderers granny my heart goes out to the poor murdered little girls parents!
That part was extremely crushing to watch. I hope the grandma can find peace 🙏
Imagine how she feels regarding Elizabeth’s family and the community. Grandma inadvertently brought evil to their doorstep. Elizabeth may be alive otherwise.
As always, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
I feel deep sadness for grandmother, but she sowed the wind (raising her troubled daughter) and then reaped the whirlwind (trying to fix a more troubled granddaughter).
While individually, these stories are just anecdotal evidence, statistics bear this out to be true. But what are key correlations with criminality? Fatherless homes, poverty, drug abuse around children, being a victim of violence oneself. Seems like the whole list is here.
@@Oooo-bi7bi I’m not sure what conclusions you want us to draw?
I hope that "child advocate" lost her job after this interview. Not only did she cause this confession to be inadmissible, but she was so unprofessional when Alyssa started to confess. The look of disgust on her face when listening to the details of the crime, asking the grandma if she wanted to leave the room, interrupting the investigator. It was like no one trained her on how to properly do her job. I'm so irritated.
Exactly! I hope she can get the training that she needs because she was shocking to watch.
Maybe she was truly disgusted and said screw it. 🤣 look tell them what happened or I’ll!!! She forgot what her job was that’s what happened. Whose side do you go on in this situation. He’ll someone obviously needed to ask Grams if she wanted to leave bc that wail 😩 ugh. That poor woman. The fact it was thrown out even tho it’s so clearly the truth. I wish our system wasn’t so complicated. I won’t say she should loose her job bc being human took over. I’m over her ready to slap the truth out the girl 🫣 it was Totally unprofessional tho 😂
I saw the investigator put his hand up, trying to stop her at one point. He really should have taken her into the hall for a chat.
I thought the same thing
Can I have the timestamp?
The fear that Dustin had was real. Imagine the person you love straight up telling you that they killed someone nonchalantly. I'd be scared too
Yeah, any wrong move and you could be the next right there and then.
Yes, and the officer laughing was so unprofessional
@@emptyness7
That irked me too! Dude thought he was about to get either locked up or murdered by his girlfriend. But then the officer’s laughing like, “It’s just a prank bro.”
Exactly. I felt so bad for him
Not to mention he was just a kid. We forgot how a child's mind work sometimes.
Just an update: Alyssa was also charged and convicted of armed criminal action, so even if she gets parole on the murder charge in 2024, she will still have to serve the additional 30 years for that, as it was posted consecutive to the murder charge, and she cannot get early parole on that charge (barring more changes to the laws). So her actual earliest release date as of right now is 2054.
Thank you.
so what about "armed criminal action" sets that charge apart from the murder charge? it just doesnt make sense to me
@@october_stormz Its usually an extra technical charge to get around lighter sentences, like in this case. It's why you will see 5 or more different charges in a murder case, because the prosecution hedges their bets that even if the state or the judge puts down a light murder charge, for example, they will still get more years tacked on. You see it a lot in cases where a DA wants to make a statement or is in a county or state where murder or any felony charge isn't an automatic life.
Also, even if she can request a parole hearing in X number of years, that doesn't mean she'll GET parole. They will look at cases individually at that point, and particularly violent or awful cases, people usually don't get parole. Like the Manson murderer cultists, they've been asking for parole every chance they get for decades, as far as I know none have been given it.
thanks for the info. ❤
the fact that this is free, unbiased, clinical, elaborate, and accurate. PLEASE KEEP IT UP!
Yeah, the channel 'Monsters' is so biased I can't watch them anymore
Cut the dread out. Have cleanliness sir for doo do head sakes!
@@redheat465 I mean with a channel called Monsters it's pretty obvious what you're going to get
@@redheat465 oh, i just found their channel and i think theyre really great. By " bias" do you mean the occasional joke the narrator cracks at the monsters expense? because ive never seen a problem when that happens. they deserve to get roasted. or do you mean something else? interested to know.
@@Swaggerpede I want to know aswell!!!
The noise her grandmother made when she found out how she killed Elizabeth gave me chills. Imagine loving your grandchild and then finding out that they did THAT to an innocent little girl. She looked like she wanted to throw up.
I cried, hearing her pain hurt my heart so bad
She is saying “it’ll never be ok” in response to someone telling her “it’ll be ok”
Yeah and that Alyssa pretends to be sad about grandmas reaction but I can tell she’s annoyed and is like “you can leave” if you’re going to be a drama queen and make this about you grandma! This is my murder interview! Let’s not be selfish and ask how she’s doing “you can leave”
@@edwardbrianna9729 I don’t think she meant it like that. The commentator even states that the girl was aware her grandmother was in pain
It's kinda like a nightmare
She took the knife back home, washed and put it away, so grandma could keep using it to cut onions and potatoes.
Oh god, reading that your comment was traumatizing.
What the fuck
Washing the bloody knife and putting it back for grandma to cook with is crazy!!!!!! Crazyyyy!!!!!!
Nah bro thats crazy to think about
Yummy
Early on when he asks Alyssa what she knows about Elizabeth, she says, "she's annoying," and they chuckle. Later it's revealed that the detective already knew that Alyssa had written about killing Elizabeth and described it as "ahmazing." It's impressive that he was able to put aside any disgust and focus on building rapport. I don't think many people could maintain that level of professionalism in those circumstances.
@@asddfasdqwe7389 You can't be a sociopath and do what an interrogator does. You would have to be a psychopath if anything.
literally was thinking this
@@libertasautmors8995 that's not even remotely true. Law enforcement have to be psychologically evaluated and cleared of any pathological traits before they can even enter the profession. Promotion to interrogator happens through additional training and experience. I'm a psychologist married to a LEO.
@@libertasautmors8995 Yeah and they also have to do ALL the drugs to REALLY know what they feel like too. XD
A law enforcement officer who makes mistakes on this type of interrogation is ultimately removed from that kind of procedure. It is the survival of the fittest, one wouldn't let someone unprofessional interrogate a young girl in a child murder case like that.
it is incredible that the Juvenile Advocate only spoke for about a total of 30 seconds, and with that 30 seconds somehow destroyed the entire interrogation.
I have known 3 people that were prescribed Prozac...all 3 died within a year...that stuff is a big problem!
I was looking for others to realize that, how idiotic this woman was, she should have been kicked out.
Hopefully she isn't an advocate any more
@@martenkrueger8647 3 people! Wow! Millions of people take this medication and are helped by it.
@@hairyballing9901 this 💯 avoid it
I saw it commented on another video, but I’ll say it again, it’s amazing how stress free life is when your not a murder suspect
Honestly! I tried writing a murder mystery and had to give up because the thought of the amount of work (and guilt from me as a writer) all for definite failure (as the heroes are the detectives) was exhausting and my very smart villain character came to the conclusion that simply upending their life and moving away from the would be victim was much easier (leaving a note reading “God, you’re insufferable” on their door to be a jerk about it)
Tldr: you’re 100% right.
@@Shadow1Yaz smart villain
Fr I also always think that and I don’t get how ppl can actually murder someone and then proceed to lie about it without feeling guilt
weird how you distinguished between a murder suspect and murderer ;)
Or victim or victims family. They never made evil decisions
That 70 seconds of silence that the interrogator laid down was the most intense 70 seconds of silence I have ever witnessed.
Yup
How many 70 seconds of silence have you witnessed?
@@charlesquinn8860😂
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@@charlesquinn8860😂😂😂
This is the first time I’ve ever seen a family member of a guilty person actually have an emotional response to finding out their loved one did something so horrible. They’re usually just really quiet, automatically go on the defense (telling their family member to shut up or get a lawyer), or are in complete and utter denial. As tragic as the reaction is, at least it shows that her grandma is a decent human being capable of empathy and acceptance of the clear facts.
Exactly! Hate seeing parents click from caring parent to defensive psycho-lover. I would be scared of my kid if I found out they murdered a defenseless child!
definitely. i do remember the interview of a paternal grandmother whose family was responsible for the murder of the grandbaby's mother over custody dispute. she was shifty and 'crying' no tears.
I think in large part it's because the grandmother had actually invested a lot in Alyssa she felt betrayed and distraught probably also blaming herself. I imagine after everything she has been through for those kids and probably already blames herself for their parent's failures, she just became overwhelmed and felt helpless. She also seems like a really good-natured person and didn't believe Alyssa could do anything like this which would have become a conflict within herself also, as if she was less good-natured, less 'naive' then maybe she could have known it was possible and stopped her. I'm not saying anyone should expect this to be a possibility within their own family but it's what she was probably thinking after hearing the confession. Just completely overwhelmed.
Additionally, she's kind of 1 extra step removed - being the grandmother, a parent's response might be less severe because their upbringing of the child probably influenced the chance they could do something like this. It stands to reason if your daughter is super fucked up, you might be too.
Denial and anger are often the first 2 stages of grief. I think it's a bit harsh to judge parents for reacting in such a way, tbh. No one wants to believe that someone they love so much can do something so horrible, it's a defense mechanism for a lot of people. Cut them some slack, they're not the one's on trial smh
Im pretty sure most people are not surprised when their family members kill someone because they are like “ya, I can see that”. I don’t know why this Grandma was surprised at all this girl was showing clear signs of depression and clear signs she was capable of hurting herself or others. Did she not look at her MySpace? Not even once?
I got caught lying when I was a kid about a piece of gum I stole from my sister. I cried during my confession. Thinking back, I wasn't thinking about my sister whose gum I stole or my mom who endured my denials. I was only crying because I was embarrassed and humiliated about getting caught.
I don't think Alyssa's weeping has anything to do with remorse or her victim. It's all about getting caught and what her grandma, the advocate, and the interrogator think of her.
to be fair tho you can simultaneously feel remorseful for your actions because you got caught. it may not wholly register what you did was wrong until you get reprimanded for it. especially considering shes not a kid but a teenager.
assuming you were like under 10 during this gum incident, ordinarily kids dont fully understand remorse the same way older people do. so you get embarrassed when called out for bad behaviour.
if anything she probably feels sorry for her family having to learn the truth like this. she seemed like she genuinely cares about her grandma so probably feels bad that theyre gonna suffer for this too.
What kinda gum was it?
@@peaches15 Juicy Fruit. I've hated it ever since.
Does your sister still talk to you. Cause I wouldn't 😂 and have u ever bought her a new gum?
You said "i was only crying because i got caught" Wich is remorseless, and then you proceed to say "it's all about getting caught" I'm trying to figure out if you have similar mental conditions or are trying to be positive?
“I was supposed to take my little sister with me, but I ditched her because she’s annoying” and there were TWO holes but only one victim... this monster was planning to kill her little sister too.
I missed that!
she was planning to kill her sister , sisters friend was a 'trial run'
Yup that exactly what I thought
Honestly I thought the same thing when she referred to Elizabeth as "annoying"
Maybe. But then realized it wouldve been too difficult to murder 2 little girls without one of them screaming first. Maybe Emma was next.
"Weren't prepared for parenthood" - then immediately had 3 more kids.
Yeah, I was thinking that as well...
💀I was thinking the same thing
When you're too poor for condoms
She was from a poor family mom on drugs dad in state prison I kinda feel bad for her cuz back then ik a lot of girls like her in the emo scene
@@CrazyK-sm5xfby the looks of the house they weren’t poor by any means her mom was just a spoiled fk up most likely.. her mom came from good family probably chose to run the streets on her parents dime
This girl wasn't burying animals she found, she was burying animals she killed. No doubt about it.
Yeah, especially the well known link to killers that avused animals that stepped up to the human level
Absolutely, I agree. With most psychopaths like this who go on to become serial killers (and this girl had the potential to be a serial killer if she wasn't so messed up) they start off by inflicting cruetly on or killing animals, then progress onto humans.. and you can see that pattern with this girl.. holes start appearing in the woods and she's burying animals, then she's having fun watching her twin brothers get electrocuted, and finally it progresses to a brutal killing of a helpless child and she actually enjoyed it and got a high from it, rather being repulsed, shocked and sickened by it as most normal people would. All the classic signs were there that this girl was very disturbed and a ticking time bomb.
Omg 😳 how crazy is she 😳
Absolutely! Most all potential killers find enjoyment in killing animals before finally moving to killing humans. It’s psychologically proven and most all of them claim to love animals!
Agree. She was prepping for humans.
I feel so sorry for Emma aswell! Imagine she only wanted to play with her friend not knowing her sister was plotting to kill her. She’ll never get over that no matter how old she is. It’s heartbreaking.
People tend to blame themselves for people's deaths as well. Imagine this little girl blaming herself for just bringing a friend over to play. 😔
Honestly Emma is super lucky seems like her sister wanted to kill her too
@@wolfpriesty13 Elizabeth seemed like a surrogate for her sister because she knew she couldn't kill her; at least not without significant and immediate pressure/blame being put upon her.
@@wolfpriesty13 I was waiting for this comment, clearly that’s what the two holes were for. That’s why she said I just couldn’t do it. She was talking about Emma. {I believe} so sad.
Poor Emma will never trust anybody again.
honestly as soon as she said the knife is in the sink and she'd washed it my stomach turned upside down. Letting you're family eat from a knife you just killed a child with is just adding onto how sickening this girl is.
Just wash it real good
@@Buffalo_billi eww 🤮🤮
@@Buffalo_billi man that's pretty morbid lol
@@kaiya2472 that makes it so much worse but I know you're 100% right lol
I would have puked if I knew a knife that cut my food killed somebody
I feel so bad for that poor grandma, i think her scream after she leaves is her saying "it will never be ok" and it breaks my heart to hear such a caring lady's world crash around her and know I can't even hug her while she cries.
My biggest fear is getting falsely accused of anything bc I have really bad anxiety in general
Don't do a polygraph. They are bullsh1t
I know right? I'd be terrified because I have a horrible memory
@@beckysloan2414 Ik they ask where were you on this day at this time like how tf am I supposed to know what I did last week I barely remember what I did today 🤣
That’s why you make the lawyer do all the talking. The police may twist something you say as evidence.
I was thinking that the whole time lol
Not only does her grandma have to cope with her granddaughter being a monster but I'm sure she's had Elizabeth over, been over to her house, and has gotten to know her parents. Imagine having to face an acquaintance who has tragically lost a child and it turns out to be at the hands of your granddaughter.
It's pretty messed up 😢
Grandma raised two generations of losers. Who cares what she has to cope with.
Exactly what i was thinking. Imagine having to live with that baggage. Both families are destroyed by this action. One loses a loved member of the family, another loses a friend and has to shoulder the shame of having raised a child killer. It's not to say that the grandmother has any blame, just that this type of thing follows you around for a long time, whether or not you had anything to do with the murder.
I've done a lot of research into this case and I found it very satisfying that the grandparents refused to hire a lawyer for Alyssa. They flat out refused. She got a court appointed lawyer.
@Elijah Wabnitz Really ? Where did you find it ? Got a link ?
People aren’t mentioning how that woman is so unprofessional that she thought she could elevate her status to interrogator and subsequently got this whole confession thrown out.
Anyone know her name? Wonder if she still works there
She's dumb plain and simple. She knew better and did it anyway. She definitely lost her job.
She also interrupted to talk to the grandma, an outside factor like that could make the suspect close up. You never want any distractions once you break through their defense
yeah that was inappropriate
It was so obvious too, like she just couldnt stand to have the attention not be on her or wanted to be like hey I have power too in front of the girl. Then she is all with the grandma like that is NOT your job, your job was to be an advocate to the girl not act like a freaking hospice nurse. I cant fathom any reason shed do this other than ego and attention.
During the "intentional silence" and the "freeze response" if it werent for grandma still rocking jn the chair id have thought id accidentally paused the video! Man the tension in that room during that loaded silence 😮
The scream that her grandmother releases is almost unbearable to listen to. You can hear her heart breaking. Absolutely gut wrenching. I wish peace for her and her family, as well as Elizabeth and hers.
I'm sorry, but did you watch this video? Did you see the girls room? That grandma must be dumb as hell if she was surprised
maybe she should have watched her granddaughter properly. read her sick diary maybe?
This killer and her family doesn't deserve s**t. No type of sympathy whatsoever.
@@c0mmas Her Grandmother did say she had read parts of the diary, but obviously not recently. Alyssa was seeing a psychiatrist, taking medication and was a good student. Grandma only worked part-time and I don’t know if Grandpa was home, but don’t blame this Grandma. She was doing her best. Alyssa was really good at masking.
@@tweetiebirdism oh right, having a daughter getting pregnant at 15, letting their grandchildren live in a pigsty of a room or letting their eldest grandchild wander outside during late hours to "dig holes". did her best? HA.
It boggles the mind how people will write their darkest secrets into a journal like Nobody else can read.
Hahaha
I always thought this too lol like I carry my darkest secrets in the pit in my mind and will die with them never seeing the light of day. and these people write them down in a bright red journal hidden under their bed , written in glitter pens and every page signs off with “well that’s my crazy life diary” with a hand signature lol 😂
I've always had a suspicion people like that do it because part of them hope someone finds it. Like some deep part of her subconscious realized what she did was reprehensible, and that was a bit of self sabotage without her realizing it.
It’s how people especially kids cope when they feel like they have no one to talk to. It’s not abnormal or wrong. (And I know you didn’t say it was). Sometimes it helps to release feelings. You can’t keep things bottled up inside
@@jamess7745 100%. I definitely think that people write stuff down and write out their calls for help in a journal in hope that someone finds it and has a talk with them.. idk. Sometimes you can’t just tell your mom “I want to h*ng myself, I think about different suicide scenarios every day.” Sometimes you just write it down and hope your parents finds it. It’s like reaching out for help but at the same time not doing so at all. My parents have never found my journals from when I had my moments :P But I’m good now
Imagine being the detective and having all your hard work essentially destroyed by one sentence from the juvenile officer! My jaw dropped when she did that-
Yeah but you can't critique women anymore because it's hate or misogyny
@@bhumibolrushing7830 it’s a shame some people think that way. We cannot have equality among the sexes if we refuse to hold women accountable
@@bhumibolrushing7830 Yes you can, but you can't just do it because you want to. They actually have to be wrong for you to do it.
@@beeleyIt is a very small minority of people who think that way. I have seen so many people criticising this woman, both men and women, because she did poorly at her job and butted in when unnecessary
@@bhumibolrushing7830You are just making problems up so you can be upset about them. So many people are criticising this woman and rightfully so. No one excuses her actions from what I've seen. You're literally just making shit up so you can be mad at feminists or whatever for something that you say is happening.
The fact that there is a "fan club" for her shows how sick people are.
Why am I surprised? These losers have praised Ted Bundy and the Columbine shooters just because.
ikr? she's a loser
Yeah it’s sickening. Just because she is hot and emo.
@@cjvaye99she's a monster killer.
It's cause her case is pretty sad she could a got help y'all saw her scars on her arm she was in too deep in this shit her mom was on dope her dad in prison she had no one all she had was herself
Imagine doing this entire investigation just for the court to label the confession as inadmissible in court because of that child advocate overstepping her boundaries wow
Ya...that would have pissed me right off.
Him shushing her at 1:07:10 hit me to the core. I get that she was trying to be considerate but I feel for the interrogator who handled this so well just for it all to go up in smoke from her lack of professionalism.
It’s called a “technicality” and it’s TORT.
women…
@@Tobi-ln9xr are you 10?
An important note on 23:08 when he says he's scared he'll have another crazy girlfriend and the investigator laughs, he is laughing with relief knowing that this child is innocent and did not participate in this horrible crime. Investigators go through so much and have to literally process the worst of evil. His laugh is a sign of relief knowing the boyfriend is not a monster.
Exactly! I was thinking that also. I’m you pointed it out
It's crazy how investigators most of the time can point out the evil or how I call it a demon taking over their life ( not possession ) But they let the negativity of this world or events in their life take over them, which like this guy said a traumatic experience in their life most likely from childhood. Sadly this girl was gone ( or consumed by evil ) as early as 7 or 8 years old her grandma was too late to save her even though she tried her best and her dad. Luckily her grandma was able to save alyssas younger brothers and her sister.
@@missflissen not exactly.
i was literally looking for a comment like this to make sure i wasn’t over analyzing
@@missflissen nope
The juvenile advocate should not be a juvenile advocate! What a massive and costly mistake she made. This case is exceptionally heinous, but she seems exceptionally clueless.
I know. The way she was casually talking about the rugby stuff despite what was going on was a little strange, given the situation, but I guess maybe she was using that tactic of camaraderie.
@@sweetluvgurl Yeah, she was likely trying to build rapport but that was the job of the investigator not the juvenile advocate. She’s just there to make sure the minors rights aren’t infringed upon to my knowledge. She inserted herself where she didn’t need to be indeed.
Thank you! I had to scroll way to far to find this comment. She needs to be brought up on charges for interfering with a police investigation or fired at the very least. Completely unprofessional. Her job is to make sure the suspects rights weren't violated nothing else, that means sit back and let the actual professionals do their jobs.
@@totallyrealname6376same like why is no one talking about her extreme fuck up
That made me so sad and stressed. I just know she wanted to help but her mistake not only may have affected the way the interrogation was proceeding but it cost a huge piece of evidence.
"while she ended up getting help, it didn't really help her" damn, that is a good line.
Someone who actually explains everything like JCS. Both of you guys are so appreciated
i feel like jcs was the script writer actually 😆
RUclips is really damaging JCS's channel these days idk why.. keeps deleting videos and stuff
Absolutely! Both are internet Gold! Found this channel yesterday and can't stop watching it!
What do u people keep mentioning jcs - i searched for it there were like all 4 very old and dull videos. Probably i got a wrong one
@@tarekmegahed1423 ah, maybe this is why there were no videos worth watching there
It's heartbreaking to hear the grandma's grief on the other side of the door. Hearing such raw emotion like that really gives me goosebumps; it's not something that you hear too often
I was fine, and it made me burst out in sudden tears... so heartbreaking.
Good job we don’t hear it too often either.
@@heatherbrooks7479 she gave her second chance with hope for bright future and everything fall like castle of broken glass.This killer girl deserves to rotten in the prison.
Made me cry. And I am a tough old woman.
So sad, but how in gods name did this distraught grandma not see the drawings on the walls in her room?
The detective must have been so so frustrated with the juvenile advocate, who clearly doesn’t know how to do her job! My heart goes out to the grandma and Elizabeth’s poor family.
I agree- the advocate was getting on my nerves!!!
It was pretty embarrassing lol 😭
She needs to loose her job
Agreed. She should’ve been told to “Sit there and SHUT UP” before they went into the room.
When he finally got her to admit it was an accident, the advocate immediately said something to the grandmother and you can visibly see the detective get pissed off at her.
“Strange writing on her walls.” *pans to a wall with Bring Me The Horizon lyrics written on it*
I was looking for this comment lmaoooo
LOLLL
Yep. I remember the freaks back in middle school that listened to that crap. Not surprising at all.
@@Shiny101sounds like you're still mentally in middle school my friend
@@Shiny101womp womp. 😢 Get a load of this guy 😂
These videos teach me that if I ever get questioned for a crime I didn’t commit I’d still end up in prison for it lmao
Same, I would be a nervous wreck even being completely innocent. And I definitely couldn’t map out my day with a definite timeline on any given day.
Always remember to get a lawyer as soon as you get called in. Whether you did it or not
At least you know..I was a firm believer that there was nothing that the police could throw at me that I could handle it ..until I found myself confessing to a crime that I DID NOT commit..because it was easier to accept probation than to roll the dice and gamble on a ten year sentence..I choose my freedom ..I already know I can do probation because never got in trouble before and I didn't do anything wrong to began with ..it was harder to fight ..it was easier to just cop out
Right? All I get from this is that neuro divergents are fucked
Innocent ppl do in fact go to jail/prison.
It disturbs me so much to see how she shows so much “remorse” to the detective but in her diary talks about how much she enjoyed it. It’s so clear that she was being manipulative.
Maybe it wasn’t remorse, maybe she was just crying feeling sorry for herself getting caught.
@@BLAZENYCBLACKOPS it for sure was. It was so blatantly fake remorse for what she had done. She was just upset that she got caught she thought she would get away with it.
This girl (woman by now) is incredibly dangerous. Would they have even found Elizabeth if it weren't for the diary entry? At 15, she was clearly a convincing liar and showed absolutely no remorse when asked to consider Elizabeth's family. She enjoyed what she did after planning everything. Strangulation is one of the most intimate ways to kill someone because it takes long minutes to kill the person, and she was so casual when she said she did it from the front, meaning she watched Elizabeth die slowly. Who watching this truly thinks that she is going to be reformed into a different person when she is going to be released? My guess is that she will not be keeping a diary after this. I also don't think she acted alone. Her boyfriend also knows something since he said 'they' during his interrogation.
I'm thinking seeing her grandmother cry may have made her cry. I cried when I saw my grandparents cry.
thats because prozac makes ppl do insane things. tons of the school shooters were on SSRIs, its not like depression is something new yet school shootings are a recent thing that correlate with the rise in anti depressant drugs
When she called the little girl she killed "annoying" it went right through me. I watch these things and just can never seem to grasp how evil ppl can be.
i think she may have called her sister annoying and not elizabeth, i may have misunderstood tho
@@insertnameher31 you are right, she says “I was supposed to take my little sister with me, but I ditched her because she’s annoying”
Although she does also call the little girl annoying to when asked about her
@@insertnameher31 they asked her if she knew her and what was she like, she mentioned she was very girly and annoying.
@@insertnameher31 she calls both of them annoying. What disgusted me is when he asked what Elizabeth was like she said girly and annoying like the comment above me stated
Evil, or stupid as well.
The grandma's cries made this the first of these videos to make me cry, so i took a small break and finally took time to realize the gravity of EVERYTHING that happens with murder, and I ended up sobbing.
Emotion is so strong, even through a screen
During the 70 seconds that the detective sat silently staring at Alyssa, my heart was absolutely pounding out of my chest. I don't know how she stayed so cool. I probably would have fainted.
i had so much anxiety watching this it gave me a headache!😅 I was like oooo this is getting intense I had to pause at some moments. Nonetheless I watched the whole 2 hours and it was worth it!
@@blackperson4433 yeah me too. I watched this yesterday and my heart was beating so fast all the time as if I was in her place or something. The tension is insane. I had to pause for a few seconds sometimes too
Because shes a psychopath, she has no emotions
Externally, she was cool.
Internally she was shitting so many bricks that you couldn't even begin to imagine the size of the house she was about to build.
Same!!! I think this is how we know we aren't psychopaths? I hope. XD
They found writings on her wall that she wanted to kill her sister. In some way in Alyssa’s mind, I believe this little girl was a replacement for her younger sister.
It was her sisters best friend so a replacement is probably right. She called her sister annoying so maybe went for her instead of her sister? I don’t get the other hole though was she planning on killing someone else?
She called Elizabeth annoying too.
especially when she said her sister was annoying then described elizabeth as annoying too
@@Sarah-m17 I know that they believe that the graves may have been dug for her brothers but my immediate thought was that her plan was to kill her sister and her sister’s friend
I think the two holes were for Elizabeth and her sister 😕
Such a tragedy. Poor Elizabeth thinking she was just going on a play date, never gets to go home. My heart aches for grandma, she was trying to help her out of a shitty situation and ended having the neighbour's kid killed.
I hope the grandmother doesnt blame herself for this.
Grandmas pain here is the hardest part for me.
Grandmother needs to stay out of the room.
Stuff like that always makes me laugh
@@pablostrongarm1490 bruh what.
How is it cruel and unusual to sentence a teen to life in prison?
I especially if they murdered someone. Consequences
The grandmothers reaction is so sad, she wanted so bad to believe that Alyssa didn’t do this. As soon as she said “Yeah” to the girls throat being cut her grandmother immediately breaks down. :(
"It will never be okay," hearing the way she cried that out had my heart drop. That was an infinitely more genuinely display of emotion than anything Alyssa did in her entire interrogation.
Despite all the awful stuff I’ve seen, this video has to be the most raw and heart dropping video I’ve ever watched. When she confessed to that, she ruined so many lives, her grandmas, siblings, the little girls family, everyone’s. I’ve never seen so many lives ruined at once..
Well said its effect so many people life to change forever.
She probably clutched all straws she could get, which may have allowed to construct a somewhat redeemable scenario. Her "yeah" extinguished that faint glimmer of hope for good.
My heart dropped and hurt as soon as her grandmother screamed like that. God I couldn't imagine 🙏
The suspense the poor grandmother must have been in... Initially being 100% sure that this is just a mix-up or misunderstanding. And then slowly starting to doubt her faith in her granddaughter all the way up to having to accept the reality of it.
Yea, watching her become more and more still the closer to the truth it got was eerie and disturbing as heck...
@@Dead25m watch the language. Heck? Really? Kids are reading this!!!
@@Dead25m yea you can almost see the tension in the air with the grandma. Disturbing as “He🏒🏒”
@@Nutty_Putty you mean to tell kids don’t know this cursing language. Stfu!
Yeah nothing in her room would have gave her any cause for concern, sounds like a dumb family all the way around
When they discovered she dug two holes and assumed she was intending to kill her brothers, I disagree. I instantly thought she intended to kill her sister and Elizabeth. Her sister was with her and Elizabeth prior to the murder (while she was luring Elizabeth away from her house), but then she “ditched” her. Perhaps she realized she couldn’t kill them both or had a change of heart?
I thought the very same thing.
She said they both annoying
Or planning to kill her boyfriend since he knew too much
I agree, they said she had that weird drawing on her wall with the wr*st c*t and her sisters name next to it. I think she just saw two little girls who are friends and thought they were perfect targets
I think it's entirely possible she dug the first hole, realized its not a good enough spot and went to dig another one. If I remember correctly thats almost exactly what she said. So even though its totally possible she was planning to kill more than one person I would believe THAT part of her story at face value
I love how you thoroughly explain every detail of the interrogation. Guess I found a new channel to binge on again.
Tragic thing is the counselor that was there to support alyssa, started interrogating alyssa and trying to take control and you can see the detective motion to her to be quiet when she asked grandma if she wanted to leave. The counselor was so bad this entire confession was thrown out. Luckily they didn’t need it.
Correct. She should know her place and do HER job, embarrassing that she threw the confession due to her thinking she's a detective.
@@shianne7866 Bet she never makes that mistake again if she still has her job.
I learned something there - not sure how her questioning was different from Rice's, enough to get the interview inadmissible, but if that counselor has been on the job for 12 years she should know the ropes.
Because she is suppose to protect the child and to be their advocate, not help the interrogator get a confession.
She works for the courthouse not the police department.
@@lopiecart 12 years? Didnt the narrator say she was new at her job when she made that "CRITICAL ERROR"?
It’s so impressive how these detectives can get someone to confess to murder
They study people for decades for these moments .
David Rice is a great guy. He was on my husband’s SWAT team in Troop F.
I will never understand why guitly people don't just use their right for a lawyer, do they want to feel smart by thinking they can get away with it themselves? Idk
@@jules6596 yes most of them believe they can outsmart the cops with lying. or they don’t want to appear guilty by asking for a lawyer
@@jules6596 They think they are much smarter than they are. Most of the time, the only reason they committed murder is that they believe they will get away with it.
It's probably the dunning kruger effect as well. They are likely unaware of police interrogation techniques and think that they can just lie like they usually do
Oh my god it is SO frustrating to watch that “advocate” act like a detective, especially knowing that she’s the whole reason this entire confession was thrown out. I wanted to scream at her through the screen and tell her to just shut up!!!
Wow. That is awful. She was doing too Much
She probably wasn't that experienced in handling murder cases. It was such a pathetic error though.
wait why was it thrown out?? cuz she talked too much?
@Shivani Sharma it was deemed inadmissible because " at least part of Bustamante's statement to police is not admissible, concluding that the juvenile officers questioning Bustamante used "deceptive tactics""
Omg me too! She was just dying to speak every second, any chance she could she jumped in, like don’t you understand this is a grueling process and everytime you interrupt rice has to start all over.
My heart goes out to the grandmother. The sound of her screaming, "IT'LL NEVER BE OKAY!" in pure anguish is devastating. 😔
Alyssa becomes more emotional as she hears it. You can see it on her face.
Yea that tells me that the girl is unwell but not a monster. It’s just a tragic situation for everyone
@@chef4025 Crocodile tears.
@@youdonegoofed I don’t know man. She’s still just a fucked up kid
@@chef4025it’s a realization she lost the only person in her corner. This is a reaction to the loss of a possible enabler. This is a response from a crazy narcissist who’s losing the battle and she’s still trying to gain sympathy
@@mikaylawoods3226 that’s definitely possible if not probable. Idk I just can’t believe a mentally screwed young teen can’t recover with meds and therapy
When you get to the part that her boyfriend lied because he was scared she’d find out he told them the truth and she’d might kill him and his family…I can’t imagine being that young and going through that shit. that’s stress and anxiety no kid should face. Yikes.
I know... Then the transphobia later when they went after him for using "they" pronouns to describe his girlfriend. Honestly that would jave hit me even harder than the murder
@@bschneidez I’m not so sure about that. The murder is still worse. We’re talking about someone who brutally murdered a child with no remorse. I believe they were trying to figure out if she had any help. The investigators probably thought it was a slip up on his part. Also, it was 2009, you can’t expect them to conform to the social norms of 2022.
Yeah, and somehow the part where he says "I'm scared if I'm going to have more girlfriends like this." really hit me.
Sure, it seems like an almost childish fear when framed next to a murder, but can you imagine how that must affect a growing teen?
"Who can I trust from now? How can I even trust myself to not love another psychopath? Maybe I'm the crazy one for loving a killer and actually I deserve this." etc. I'm sure it messed him up.
@@bschneidez That wasn't transphobia. "They" originally refers to more than one person or thing. Seeing how the boyfriend referred to the suspect as "she" beforehand, it shows that she wasn't acting alone
@@InedibleMuffin He’s going to have major trust issues with future relationships. RIP. Imagine having to say your first girlfriend, (think it was his first) was a killer…yikes.
In the midst of all this tragedy, there's something so darkly wholesome about the teenage boy worrying if all his girlfriends will be like this. And the detective just chuckling and going "oh you poor thing". Just goes to show how young and naive the people involved are
I came here to comment on that. The detective couldn’t hold his laugh in they probably talked about it in the office for weeks
I just commented cuz I got done chuckling at that part too.
"We're not all that bad!" Says the lady in the room. Haha! Humans are such funny creatures!
i know, that stood out to me too. Made me think “awe”.
Didn't realize, thx for pointing out another lvl of shock
lol same that part got me pretty good. poor kid.
Dustin's polygraph test is the perfect example of why polygraph test results are not admissible in court. He was asked 3 questions, all centered on whether or not he himself had killed Elizabeth, caused any harm to her, or had done anything which caused her death. And he hadn't. Yet the polygraph test showed that he was lying. As the narrator said..the polygraph can show that the suspect is nervous, but isn't able to tell what they are nervous about, or why. The poor kid had good reasons to be nervous, and none of them were because he had a part in that little girl's murder. Innocent people fail polygraph tests all the time, for reasons that have nothing to do with being guilty of the crime. Polygraph tests results in general are simply too unreliable to be used in court because of this.
They could've asked him if the sky was blue and it could've come out as a lie.
@@MM-oe6bd exactly. Thats true. That's why any lawyer would advise to not ever consent to taking a polygraph test.
“Nervous has got nothing to do with it” I was screaming “isn’t that what it’s ALL ABOUT THO????!!!” Like his heart rate is up for a reason, you’re being implicated in a girls murder, you’re gonna be nervous ??? And it looked like they were talking in the darkest smallest room ever I’d be terrified
100% correct. It bothers me that its presented any other way. During this particular one the narr. was talking about intimidation literally as the det on screen is standing over the kid. polygraph is ridiculous.
@@thepolitecanadian117 I know right? I was thinking the exact same thing. The detective was being the literal definition of "intimidating". Then telling the kid that "nervous has nothing to do with it"..which didn't make any sense at all since a polygraph test is supposed to measure physiological responses to questions that might, in theory, make a guilty person "nervous". I felt awful for the kid having to go thru all that.
the detective must have been so pissed at the advocate for flapping her gums and undoing all the work he did
lol right. She was just nuisance to him pretty much.
Her poor grandma was so innocent in the beginning, just rocking back and forth,to see that switch when she learnt the truth was horrifying.
It was so educational to see first hand how families of murderers react.
This is one of a kind footage
absolutely priceless one of a kind for sure. Just cant get that kind of education elsewhere. truly one of a kind
Well said. T.y.
She was really heartbroken at what her granddaughter had done😢
@@duferso7048 her granddaughters room walls ! Really
@melindasmith3713 Grandparents bought a nice house for all the kids and then let them scribble on the walls like a 2-year-old? Lack of respect.
My heart absolutely breaks for this teen girl’s grandmother. She tried her best to help her and all this girl could do in return was to kill this beautiful little nine year old, who had her whole life ahead of her. She is only upset because she got caught.
Look at the girls room she was an undisciplined little fk who was probably taking advantage of her over loving grandparents.
@@faceripper77 if you're talking about her room being messy that's very normal for teenagers. If you're talking about the notes on her wall then yes their were signs.
@@chickadee39 theres messy and then theres her room. It comes down to mental issues and lack of discipline from the grandparents. They let her do whatever she wanted.
I highly doubt she feels remorse for murder as well.
@@faceripper77 Sometimes, parents truly can’t help what their kids do. I used to be super judgmental of other parents because I had a few kids myself who were very well behaved and have great big hearts. However, I then had my youngest. She’s extremely difficult and no matter how much I try to help her in disciplining her and every other way imaginable, nothing works. She gets worse and worse. It puts a great big strain on all of us in our household. It’s so hard to see my kids who are so good suffer because of it.
I respect your opinion. I just personally feel occasionally it is not the parents(or grandparents in this case)fault. It is sometimes a mental health issue or in this girls case, her pathetic parents likely are the ones who messed her up. Not the grandparents. She was too far gone by the time they got to her. It is said a child’s personality is formed by the age of 5 I believe?
This channel is helping to fill JCS' massive void. Bravo.
Yep no channel will be as good but this is he next best for sure
Any others somewhat similar youd recommend? Im just enthralled by these super detailed interrogation break downs.
@@two2truths "matt orchard crime and society" is a good one.
@@two2truths For lighter/different approaches to true crime, Coffeehouse Crime is pretty good. Boze vs. the WORLD is a fun ADHD jaunt through all sorts of cases & she has a good take & breakdown of psychology & communication tactics employed. & Bailey Sarian has/had a Monday Murder, Mystery & Makeup series where she talks through a case while doing her makeup.
@@SuperLadyDanger awesome recommendations! Thank you!
I can’t even imagine what/how this detective felt (I’m sure he was livid), when he found out all his hard, excellent work was for nothing, because the “advocate” chick wanted to feel important and couldn’t keep her damn trap shut. I hope she got some serious consequences for her unprofessional behavior and causing a murder confession being inadmissible in court. Unbelievable
there was even another moment when hes in the process of finally getting her to confess and the liaison officer interrupts to see if the grandmother wants to go out. He has to stick his hand out to tell her to shut up and not ruin the moment.
Imagine the guilt Elizabeth’s mom feels. Knowing that you told your child no the first time but then convinced you to let them go with friends only to have the friends do something like this. Heartbreaking 💔
This is why my mom never let us play with anyone other than cousins and some close neighbours
@@kotlet2612 your mother did good. You really can’t trust outsiders these days.
I remember I used to sneak out of the house thru the window to play at the neighbor kids house. My mom would rush over and take me home mad. I can't imagine the fear she must've felt tho, especially at this time when there seemed like endless stories of kids getting snatched.
Yes but I believe that Alyssa planned on killing this young girl either way! Whether it was that day or a week later, she was going to kill this young girl no matter what! It’s unreal to imagine but happens everyday!!
I’m sure her poor mom feels guilty, as any loving parent would but this is in no way her fault and there is likely no way she could’ve stopped it! Evil is evil and it ruins lives every single day! Sending prayers to these poor families! May God be with them. RIP Elizabeth!!
The boyfriend… It sucks that Cops really rely on a lie detector test that reacts from blood pressure and heart rate. I am a generally anxious person and would be extremely nervous and anxious under the same circumstances, regardless if I did the crime.
I don't think they can use a polygraph test as real evidence. They just use it as another tactic to get information from people.
It's scare tactics cops be dirty they lie crazy
Lie detectors are usually not admissable in court
some people cant take the test because of what you explained. its not something that can be used by everyone.
They are trained to work around that. Training to administer them is actually really crazy.
No matter how much she cried, I couldn’t feel a shred of sympathy for her. So many people have messed up childhoods yet most of them managed not to kill an innocent child. That poor victim and her family!
Exactly. I'm sick of people saying, "because of her traumatic childhood it's understandable",
there are people that had it way worse than this girl, yet they don't turn into violent murders... smh
yeah, like it gives an explanation but it doesn't excuse it
@@unusiplier5288 people need to learn the difference between "explanation" and "justification"
honestly most of them haven't. i'm sure almost every single murderer, of which there are many, had absolutely atrocious childhoods
Ive had a horrible childhood and the only person I want to kill is myself lol
Today I found out that this girl has FANS, on Twitter and Reddit, and I have never felt such disgust for other people.
This person planned on murdering an innocent CHILD and tried to cover her evidence like the coward that she was. How people like Alyssa could have fans, who demand for her freedom is disgusting to me.
OH MY GOD I KNOW RIGHT?? why is there EDITS of this freak??
It's probably because of her style and the subculture she belongs to called scene, which was really popular in the 2000s. Some people are just too stupid to fully realize what she did and just enjoy her aesthetic
Most killers that get a lot of media attention have fans.
@@pear_jules4013 i’m aware it’s just so dystopian
Think she was jealous and also mentally unwell
I have the feeling that this young child was a stand-in for her sister. She says how annoying she is and there are “poems” on her wall about how much she hates her. It would explain a lot in the way of her desire to kill her. I wouldn’t be surprised if the hole was in fact dug ahead of time for the sister.
I absolutely think ur right and that’s shocking
I thought similarly, that she wanted to kill Elizabeth and her sister Emma, that she could lure the former to the woods with the latter, and kill them both. But perhaps the logistics of controlling 2 people before killing them was too much and could throw off her plan or get her caught, or maybe she didn't want to cause her grandparents to suffer (since psychopaths want to maintain their mask or illusion of self with their loved ones: in this case, good in school, lots of friends, happy, in short, "normal"; this also explains Alyssa inviting her grandmother to leave before her own breakdown), how would she be able to explain the deaths of both girls?
In any case, from what I gleaned from this, Alyssa had a lot of rage towards Elizabeth. Elizabeth lived with her parent(s), who loved and cared for her (no playing outside after dark!), worries about her; she was a girly girl, innocent. I don't think Alyssa even actively considered this, which is why she couldn't tell investigators her motive. Was it a thrill kill? Yes, certainly, but that doesn't mean there wasn't any meaning behind who she chose as a victim.
I think she planned to kill Emma and Elizabeth, hence the two holes.
When youre hungry u get a desire to hunt your violent desires begun to rise to prepare you for the struggle of the hunt once you have killed a pray ur natural instinct is to feel joy because you will feed. Its ingraned within us after millions of years of evolution. The girl was given medication. She was having mental issues. How do psychiatrist seek to resolve mental issues? They give medication. What is medication? It is component that consists of a molecules that influnce your state of mind. Why did i bring hunger into this? Because when you dont feed correctly your body cannot manufacture in ur gut the appropriate nuerotransmitters (one example in this case seretonin) to produce the appropriate state of mind. And therefore supress your desire to hunt or do undesirable behavior. In the absence of these neurotransmitters other signalling occur and that will produce a behavior that will help you aquire the precursor to manufaturing of the essential nuerotransmitters. This behavior is violent because violence will result in your ability to hunt and obtain food ie resources for your body. I have taken synthetic version of naturally produced nuerotransmitters which suppressed all negative thoughts and results in an extrordinary amount of positivity. So i understand the importance of the molecules and power they hold over your state of mind and how to aquire them through the manufaturing of them in ur gut. This also overrides previous experiences which to some degree can be dangerous because you ignore any evidence or possibility of danger other may cause becuase of the overwhelming positve state of mind. This leads you to be too understanding and forgiving of others undesirable behavior. A balance is necessary of darkness and light.
@@016632 this guy... "Producing neurotransmitters in your gut". Know what "neuro" means, Buddy?
I feel horrible for her boyfriend. Imagine finding out your partner killed a nine year old girl and could kill you next. Hes gonna have major trust issues for the rest of his life :(
right this boy guy just wanted a scene girlfriend 💀
I think he will be ok, I feel bad for everyone else more.
Did you watch the whole video? 😅 that dude was involved in some way shape or form he had prior knowledge of the events that happened
It's better he learns early. Learn all the signs and red flags as soon as you can
@@aaronasissoard1098 he was not involved ! Please stop lying ! She came over to his house and admitted what she did !
Imagine being the interrogator, wishing you could tell the counselor to stop talking, but having to press through in order not to lose whatever else could be gained from the interview.
@@travispratt6327 I don’t think she would’ve understood what the tap would imply, because she thought she was doing everything right. Or he didn’t want to interrupt her thing and make it look strange in front of the grandmother and slow the flow that was interrupted even more… not sure, just my thoughts
@@travispratt6327 I'm asking the same thing. Why didn't he say let's step out of the room then tell her to zip it, or was it too late? 🤔 I don't understand how she was unsure of this extremely important part of her job.
I personally think what she did was try and make her feel comfortable specially when it was starting to get a little tense. Isn’t that her job or was she out of line I have only really seen attorneys in rooms
@@ashleylynn2701 Wayyyy out of line. Her job is absolutly not to ask questions or chime in with the detective. Her sole purpose is to make sure her rights as a minor are not being violated. I can't believe she wasn't fired. She could have legit made a violent sadistic killer go free. Yeah I'd say that's out of line. Watching it knowing what her job is makes this beyond cringy.
@@vegetablepimps ok thank you for that yeah I wasnt aware at first what the purpose of her in there was until it was stated she ruined the video because she was out if line. Thank you for explaining it because I was confused why it was a bad thing
Whenever I watch any sort of videos about cases like this on RUclips I get so bored within the first 5 minutes of watching anyone elses channel that I have to stop the video, leave their channel and make sure Explore with us hasn't done that specific case already. Keep up the great work, EWU!
It’s clear she wasn’t crying for remorse. She was feeling sorry for herself. Every time the victim was brought up, and her own grandmother breaking down, she showed zero reaction or empathy. “You can leave now” says it all.
I was a Parole Officer for 12 years. During that time I managed the reintegration of a number of psychopaths, and typically, they would speak abruptly, and in short sentenced in emotional situations because they couldn't find the empathy or compassion you and I might exhibit by default.
@@MaccaBased Damn! I don’t have your experience but I’ve also spoken to two psychopaths in my life and they both had a very dry, straight to the point way of talking, at least in conversation that involved more personal topics. It’s funny how movies normally portray them as maniacal and demented, but a lot of psychopaths are just very cold in demeanor.
Psychopathic reaction for sure. Hope she never gets out of prison.
@@JoshuaCastillo6309 Watch some interviews with Joel Rifikin
This thread is very interesting. I really enjoyed reading y'alls' person experiences. Thanks for sharing!
I believe Alyssa was going to kill her little sister AND Elizabeth, but she realized she either couldn’t go through with killing her sister or she couldn’t kill them both at the same time. I don’t think it makes sense that she planned to kill her boyfriend, brothers, grandma etc. The holes were big enough only for a 9 or 6 year old girl. Also, Alyssa knew that her little sister would be easy to subdue, similarly to Elizabeth. It also explains why she cryptically wrote her little sisters name on the wall along with other dark things. I believe she fantasized about killing her little sister, and that Elizabeth was either a warm up or a substitute.
I was thinking the same thing the whole time, the way she was so cold to her grandma too makes me think she really didn't care for any of her family, but with the childhood she had it is not super unlikely
and she talked about how the other hole was meant to be a grave too after she had already buried Elizabeth, meaning she had 2 victims in mind
Yup I thought the same thing
That's what I thought, or Elizabeth's sister.
ok
Went to the same school as Alyssa in the same year. Knew a lot of the same people. I remember the exact day Elizabeth went missing. While the whole thing was going on all of her boyfriend, Dustin's calls were monitored everyday and every night so my friends and I were only able to talk to him for about 5 minutes one night, but yes, he was absolutely terrified of Alyssa
Judging from her pictures she looks crazy
@@tobiaslawrence8928 it was 2009, the "scene" style & poses she was doing in all of those pictures were pretty popular in the 2000s.
@WhatTheHawk91 right
Investigator:" tell me about the holes you dig"
Alyssa:"I just like to dig holes!"
When your a sociopath, and you want to convince people, nodding yes while answering questions while telling lies is what they do. Just look at those interviews with Elizabeth Holmes when people question her
31:39 Juvenile counselor makes her first intervention in the interrogation.
52:35 Juvenile counselor builds rapport with Alyssa.
1:02:31 Juvenile counselor makes a serious error by involving herself in the questioning.
1:13:14 Alyssa finally admits to cutting Elizabeth's throat.
1:36:29 Juvenile counselor makes another intervention.
1:40:50 Juvenile counselor pushes for any last pieces of information that Alyssa could be concealing.
tysm
Detective should have politely told her to stfu or gtfo after 52:35
I feel bad for her boyfriend. He seemed genuinely scared of her. That advocate is a wannabe detective. She really overstepped.
By the way she was behaving, I thought she was another detective
The detective even had to put his hand out at one point to ask her, subtly, to shut the hell up. Getting that confession thrown out in court due to her conduct is a serious mistake that might have had pretty serious consequences with regards to her career.
He seemed scared of someone finding out he helped her kill a kid or hide a body, to me.
@@bluedragonfly8139 cool
In fairness she wanted the truth for the murder victim.
I hope Alyssa’s younger sister who befriended Elizabeth doesn’t blame herself for this. I cannot imagine how she felt about this, she was just a child and Emma had no idea that her older sister was about to kill Elizabeth.
Umm she was 6 years old. Why the hell would she blame herself
@@AJice1980 I mean 6 yr old would still feel guilt even if they didn’t do it
@@AJice1980 well , a neighbor u played with frequently is gone forever and your sister killed her the same day u last met.... I duno man you tell me if that would haunt her for life
@@Sakkaz There is absolutely no reason a person who was 6 years old would or should feel any type of guilt. Are you kidding me? A 6 year old has a hard time even comprehending that death is permanent. Now that she's older if she feels any guilt it's on her. I'm sure she knows if it didn't happen that day it was going to happen tomorrow or the next day. There's a lot of situations in life where people unknowingly or unintentionally caused the death of another person and felt like it was their fault. But in no way should she feel at fault for something that happened when she was 6 years old.
@@AJice1980 mk.
“I really like nature, animals, being outside. I get bored easily”
Honey, you’re going to LOVE prison!
Truth!!!
LMAOOOO
dont think she liked animals odds are the holes she was digging were for animals she was killing
Perfect punishment make her live without everything she loves forever just like the family of little Elizabeth
Ha ha ha nice
"Bustamante is digging herself deeper and deeper into her own hole" 😂 .. I see what you did there.
34:45 😂😂😂😂😂
No one’s mentioning how traumatic this must be for Emma. The poor baby just wanted to play with her friend. How could she have known her sister was sick in the head. The guilt she must feel is insurmountable. My god.
Really, you went through all the thousands of comments on this video, just to establish that no one mentioned this? Everyone needs a hobby, I guess.
Yeah, I know I'm being an asshole, but I'm getting really sick of comments like this on every video.
@@wasneeplusYou need to chill out. She’s probably just sad no one is really worried about Emma compared to the victim and killer and they’re right. Obviously it’s gonna be more about the victim and the killer but I get what they’re saying. It made me think jus sayin.
@@kiwibirdie7585 I feel totally zen, my friend. In any case, the substance of her comment wasn't the issue. It this "everyone is talking about this, but I noticed that" style of comment which just irks me. I see it under every popular video, and it strikes me as an underhanded humble brag to point out how different you are from other people.
And no, it's not important. But neither is responding to my comment, and yet here we are.
@@wasneeplus another annoying type of comment is the "Can we just appreciate..." type of comment that you see in every video.
@@wasneeplusTrue, this is an old case. There are so many comments that are talking about how traumatic it must have been for Emma. But I think this person just wanted to feel "different" by making their own reality in order to validate such a silly comment "Anyone out there?" after all this time (the case is from 2009), just seems strange.
Can you imagine the guilt the little girl's mother must feel for letting her go to play after originally saying no?
💔💔💔
ALWAYS Listen to your gut feeling. The Mother should have gone with her first answer. Very sad.
That part really breaks my heart and infuriates me. I have 3 small children, and stories like this make me watch them like a hawk. Yeah, it might look like paranoia to others, but I refuse to take that risk.
You can't feel guilt for a murderer getting to your loved one!
If Alyssa hadn't gotten her that day, it probably would have been another!
Don't waste energy on useless regrets or guilt!
Focus on creating a foundation to prevent violence against children.
@@AraCod lol what? I thought the reason the mother originally said no was because it was close to dinner time. No where is it mentioned that Elizabeths mother originally said no because she had a gut feeling something bad was going to happen to her daughter. You're reaching a bit here
I remember when I was a kid, we were on a break, playing outside. Then, I saw this kid grabbing a possum from the tail and throwing it against a wall, then he kept grabbing it and doing the same thing over and over. The poor animal was bleeding everywhere, he was alive throughout the whole time he was being tortured... I was the ONLY kid who tried to stop him, but I couldn't, I was crying and screaming. That happened about 45 years ago, and still breaks my heart to remember that atrocity. I always wonder if that guy is a serial killer today.
Unless this kid got some form of therapy growing up... who knows... that's the scary part, isn't it!
Probably somebody’s abusive bf
Kids can be horrible. Some turn out to be serial killers. I’m sorry you all had to experience something so terrible… That is just-mind boggling.
Jesus christ, I'm tearing up just reading this, kids can be cruel, usually it's abused children, bused by people, who were abused as children by people, who were abused as children. I wonder how do we stop this. I don't think they can be rehabilitated...
And that's why I'll never let anyone put me down for being a snitch
I get the impression that although her grandmother is shocked by what’s happened she’s not entirely surprised that her granddaughter has done something like this. There’s an immediate acceptance that her granddaughter is a murderer, I would’ve thought if she’d never shown any really violent tendencies she would’ve been in denial. She also never questions why they’re asking her all these things.
I’m not sure about this
I was surprised it took her that long to react, before she even confirmed to slitting her throat, there was some major implications she did something to the girl.
Accidentally hitting her head from falling, and the reason why all these questions were being asked would’ve clicked for some then.
I guess she needed to actually hear it to believe it.. that poor woman.
The cop saying “you poor guy” and the girl off camera saying “we’re not all crazy” was a legitimately wholesome moment amid something so dark and horrible. It’s actually great to see it.
Unprofessional as hell to call her crazy though. Small town hillbilly detectives it seems.
Wasn't the "poor guy" thing kinda rude as well?
@The Hooded Vagabum how is that rude ?
To me, saying "you poor guy" just shows how much the officer understood why the kid withheld information. Not because he had anything to do with it but because he genuinely scared for his family and had limited knowledge of the reach of law enforcement.
@@Techaro I don't think it's unprofessional to call someone guilty of premaditated murder crazy...
And anyway to me her saying "we're not all crazy" is her way of telling the kid that she empathizes with him, that she probably would have done the same in this situation to protect her family not knowing that the cops could help you protect them.
@@thehoodedvagabum7375
I took it as the detective being relieved he was dealing with a scared kid instead of an accomplice to murder.
I've seen quite a few people blaming the grandma for not noticing the horrible things Alyssa wrote on her walls so I just want to share my story. I had a rough childhood and when I was about Alyssa's age I started to get obsessed with the idea of death (difference is I had sever depression and BPD, I only wanted to hurt myself, not anyone else or animals), the thing is I used to write terrible things on my wall. I even draw a guy getting hanged. It was my way of asking for help and being pretty edgy I guess. My parents took me to therapy because of what I was saying but they truly thought the horrible stuff I was writing was just me being edgy and rebellious, and in a way I definitely was, I just wanted them to notice something was wrong. But they barely entered my room and I'm guessing Alyssa kept her grandma outside too. I guess what I'm trying to say it's that the world it's full of "problematic children" but the majority of us won't kill a freaking kid, I cried at flies getting killed, for example. I know the majority of people know this but for the ones who are being annoying: the grandma did her best, give her a break.
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I appreciate you sharing your story. Thank you
You must’ve been atrocious to be around. (Probably still are) Not surprising your parents avoided your room.
Because some people are just dumb, probably don’t have kids or think they are special and could tell if someone was a murder and could stop them.
Jesus is the cure
These videos usually never impact me emotionally, but hearing that grandmother's anguish bothered the hell out of me. I cannot begin to fathom the pain she went through.
same :/ like i get chills every now and then from things ppl say on these vids but when she started yelling and crying like... damn. I just got CHILLS chills
Gotta raise your daughter right so that she doesn't marry the wrong person.
I had to skip ahead it disturbed me so much too.
@@fionnmaccumhaill3257 what does this even mean? Being raised a certain way doesn’t stop a person from doing what THEY want to do.
@@kweenbrook
That's not my experience. The teens mother/grandmothers daughter chose a loser. This is the consequences.
I believe Alyssa originally intended to kill both her sister AND Elizabeth, but realized after bringing them both to the forest that she either couldn't do it, or realized that a double murder of two young girls (one of them being her sister) would focus the investigation more on her.
She is a psychopath with little to no empathy or attachments. They view things strictly objectively, through a lens of cold hard fact. Most likely, she recognized that a target too close to her (like, in her family) would not only make it easier for police to identify her as a suspect but also would be discovered quicker and offer less options for her to lie and cover it up.
Why do you think she wanted to kill her sister?
@@nom7121 Simply put, I think she wanted to see what it felt like. Psychopaths are unable to make genuine emotional connections. They can't feel love like we do. Their viewpoint is purely coldly logical, without any care or feeling for others. They want what they want, other people be damned. She found her sister to be annoying and she wanted to know what it was like to kill, she had homicidal fantasies that she wanted to fulfill, so it made sense in her mind.
What makes you say that? The only time we saw any emotion or protective type indication in a non selfish form was extended towards her grandma (Alissa cried and broke down when she did and excused her from the room) and towards her grandpa (getting super defensive he wasn't involved and refusing to use him as a scapegoat whether involved or not or whether it would benefit her or not). It seemed like family was kinda the only place she seemed slightly humanized emotionally. (Keeping her dad's letters ... Ect) Contrast that to the way she spoke about Elizabeth when asked what she was like "she can be annoying" is basically all she had to say about a missing 9 year old while sitting in a literal interrogation room
@@drewlax23 Unfortunately, Alyssa is not the first psychopath I have seen. I have had the misfortune of meeting several in my personal life. Strong emotional displays of any sort make them extremely uncomfortable and they often will do whatever is necessary to get the emotional person out of their immediate vicinity so it's not surprising she told her grandmother she could leave.
Additionally, with regard to her grandfather, I think there was a part of her that wanted to take credit for what she'd done. Most likely, she knew there was no way out of taking accountability for it as she knew for certain that the police already knew everything. She may have even wanted to take credit for it as narcissistic tendencies are often a factor in psychopathic behavior. More than likely, to this day she probably still savors the thought of the inhumane, gruesome act she committed against that poor little girl. It's sickening.
The teacher not seeing the "danger" in Alyssa could also be attributed to the pop and scene culture of that time. In 2009, being edgy and dark was the cool thing. She was an emo, someone who wears all black and, in some cases, puts on an act - some of my classmates acted like they had depression and faked cuts on their wrists. Alyssa, to me, seems like a normal scene girl from 2009.
Yep, this was scary to watch because this was how me and my friends were. The lyrics on the wall (especially bmth lyrics), the edgy random conversations about death, the weird obsessions with blood, the wrist scars (fake or real), etc. Etc. Literally I would have just thought she was a normal teen in our group.
Although the way Alyssa is, the way she moves, the way she speaks, her mannerisms her expressions etc. They all remind me of my old best friend, it's quite unnerving to watch and see the similarities. Although my old best friend is now a functional woman who absolutely dotes on her children and loves them with everything she is. Weird to see.
As another emo I feel the same way tbh, her room looks a lot like mine did when I was younger. The same goes for the creepy writing and drawings, I imagine as a victim herself embracing the emo subculture was a crutch for her. It makes sense that nobody saw danger in her, these types of things are hard to predict.
What gave it away? The Ledger Joker poster? Saying "rawr"? Haircuts that cover one eye completely?
was my Aunt the teacher? Aunt Sue?!!!!
what is 9?
old?
I don't understand.
what who is that girl. who is elizabeth
christmas?!
1:15:25 Grandma screaming “it’ll never be okay!!” has got to be the most heartbreaking thing ever.
I think at 1:13:22 she said “Are you gonna leave?” To her Grandma
I know...that was literally gut wrenching!💔
idk why but what really pissed me off was alyssa explained why she dug 2 holes then the narrator says “we’ll never know why she dug 2 holes” 🤦🏾♀️
I’m sure people will make fun of the boyfriend but just think… you’re young, you’re first gf and she’s a murderer 😳 I’d never date again she’s scary as hell
Im sure he'll 2nd guess every relationship
When he said he is thinking about if his future girlfriends would be crazy like that, I really felt for him.. Definitely second guessing relationships
You're not wrong.
Im sure he has been cured of any attraction to "edgy" gfs. Aside from the danger factor, she could have dragged him into it as an accessory.
@@dreamsofturtles1828 probably true 😆
dustin's genuine fear of alyssa breaks my heart too. i cant imagine having to deal with KNOWING someone who straight up murdered someone, especially when you're a maturing kid/teen. that stuff is gonna stick with you for the rest of ur life.
It breaks mine too. I wish him all the best, because something like this would be traumatising even for a grown adult.
@@z3ngz i have issues with his story. firstly, was he the one standing near the guardrail on the night of the crime? the video didn't explain who it actually was. also, near the end of the video he referred to the killer(s) as THEY. the fact that he straight up lied in the beginning told me he was hiding something deeper than just fear for himself and his family. if he had true fear, the truth would have came out right away.
@@galacticcaveman4045 u really are a caveman, no it wouldn't come out automatically. chill detective lmaoo
@@meltyatrox5012 yeah i'm a caveman who observes very carefully and i still say there's something fishy about his story
i know right,just by the thought of it is terrifying
It just kills me that the confession was thrown out bc the juvenile officer spoke out of line. So much for working with kids “for years”, I can’t even imagine how painful it was for Elizabeth’s family to see this confession be dismissed in court.
Right! She's in the wrong line of work. I don't know if the scope of the case helped her toss away any semblance of professionalism, but she's absolutel garbage.
I know, then right as the confession started, the juvenile advocate starting speaking to the grandmother! The investigator had to shhhhh her and put his hand up. I hope she hasn't ruined any other cases!
@@doth.616 She didn't "ruin" this case necessarily. A confession isn't a requirement for a person to be convicted of a crime. She was still convicted, sentenced, and serving time.
@@trevordonaldson7634 Luckily, bc there were lots of evidence like her diary but this isn't usually the scenario so is she does this at least 1 out of 20 cases, she is severily endengaring a process. I hope when she saw that her incompetence resulted in that, she accepted her errors.
@@mappingthevoid why do that even matter she said that shi her self “the hole was for her” thats all the damn evidence you need 🤣
That 70 second silence had me uncomfortable! Wow great interrogator👍🏽
What part of the video is that?
To me it sounds like she wanted her little sister dead but knew she couldn’t get away with it so she went after the next ‘best option’. The drawing on her wall with Emma’s name and the slashes on the head said a lot. She also said her sister was annoying just like she said Elizabeth was annoying.
And the way she said "annoying" sent chills up my spine. I've heard other killers refer to their victims as "bothersome", "frustrating", or just downright "inconvenient", and they all say it in that sort of bemused, flat tone. Like they're talking about a neighborhood dog that barks too much or a gnat buzzing around their head. There doesn't seem to be any connection to the fact that they found them annoying, so they ended their LIFE. It doesn't seem an in-congruent chain of events to them at all, and that casual tendency they have when talking about their victim always makes my stomach knot. The disparity becomes even more clear when you compare that reaction to how they react when they've been caught. The sadness of the situation doesn't apply when the interrogator is asking her what she thinks of Elizabeth, knowing what she's done, but only when she's caught and her theatrics might in her mind buy her some leniency.
she was probably imagining it was her sister
According to another youtube channel, there were two shallow graves, people assuming since she had twin brothers it was for them.
I agree with most of that but have you actually looked at the drawing? It’s clearly not slashes across the face but bangs swiped across one eye…like Alyssa has in about 100% of her pics from the time. Also the drawing had slashes on the wrist…which aren’t typically a homicidal thing. Emma’s name was by the mouth. To me that’s clearly a drawing of Alyssa saying Emma’s name. If it has anything at all to do with the murder then it could be a depiction of Alyssa calling Emma to go fetch Elizabeth. There were a lot of things on her walls that I feel were blown out of proportion. One “evidence” photo shows “It was written in blood. It was written in blood!” And “Rawr” written side by side on the the wall. Those are literally just two song titles from the band Bring Me the Horizon.
@@curtf9813 With this being a pretty brutal murder case I wouldn’t say that evidence was blown out of proportion because she was obviously really mentally disturbed but in a normal kid’s room I wouldn’t think much about song lyrics or titles. And yeah maybe so about the drawing!
1:15:24 hearing her grandmother scream, “It will never be OK“ was absolutely gut wrenching. I’m assuming someone told her, “It will be OK” and that’s how she reacted. I can’t imagine how she must feel to know that someone she raised, was capable of such a brutal act. I feel so bad for Elizabeth’s family, but I also feel bad for this girls family. Her grandparents thought they did what was best for her but unfortunately they were too late in intervening with her life as a young child. Both sides are losing a child, but one side will never get that child back. This whole case is so sad. None of this had to happen. I have teared 😢 up multiple times listening to this interview.
lol thank you. i couldnt hear anything but "shell never be a parent"
I have no love loss for this girl, everything she did was a choice. I came from a home like she did, I was diagnosed with bi-polar/manic depressive w/anxiety and PTSD and even though I understand why she is the way she is, she chose that way and will never fully have to experience the level of pain the others went through which is sad...
She’s likely the one who contributed to how her kids turned out anyway, and then failed to get her granddaughter help. So, it’s like take at least a little accountability there, grandma.
@@sweetluvgurlquit making assumptions. If you’re gonna say that, then why stop with the grandmother? It was ACTUALLY the grandmothers parents fault for how they raised the grandmother. See how pointless this is? It can go on forever and does nothing but give YOU a new detail to fetishize.
Oh shit I feel so terrible😔😔
That poor interrogator. He had a lot going on. That rookie women out spoke. Then the grandmother. I cant even imagine what grandmother is going through. That interrogator was really good. He got her to confess even with all those obstacles he had in the room. Meaning that other women, grandma and little girl. He’s a pro!!
Right? I respect his work. Imagine doing that all day long over and over. Going home at the end of the day must be very relieving for him.
@@lhibawafa9815 exactly what I think about when I watch these videos. I’ve been binge watching all these interrogated videos. I can’t imagine having to do this for a job everyday, over and over. My dad was a homicide detective. Never lived with him however, he’d tell me his stories.
You are very observant... Reminds me of that movie about training a negotiator
I was thinking the same thing. Granny was throwing her under the bus without knowing it and the other woman was blowing it.. dude is a pro
The grandmother probably made Alyssa's counselor's presence a condition of permitting the interview, in lieu of an atty. So, makes me think school counselor already had a relationship w/the family. An bad omen?
Scared of "If I'm gonna have any more girlfriends like this" 😂😂😂
lmaoo poor guy
I loved that his interrogator chuckled and was like i can understand that lol
seeing her cry knowing she's only crying over the consequences she's facing, is so disturbing. absolutely no remorse, i've known about this case for a while but seeing this makes my skin crawl.
Right!!! She’s crying for herself not for what she did.
The grandma crying however, was really difficult to listen to. It broke my heart hearing the anguish in her voice.
I think the only reason she is crying is cuz of her grandma freaking out i think she crying for that and the reason u guy said
Don't really find it all that disturbing. Women do it all the time as easily as they breathe. The only difference is that it isn't usually about murder.
Yes. Even if she had a tiny amount of Remorse or empathy, she wouldn't have been in the situation she was in. Also if the statements about the dead animals was true, highly doubt she found these dead animals and probably killed them herself, which is usually a Huge red flag indicating psychopathy.
Tweedle my sack
I feel so bad for the grandma. She did everything she could to save her grand kids.
Yes, but she didn't take Alyssa to a counselor.
That's neglect.
@@rocioaguilera3555 she did have a therapist and a psychiatrist. So yeah she did take her.
Mmmmm!! Maybe or maybe not. Once I saw bloody drawings on my child’s wall, that would be the moment I took action. Or maybe she could have monitored her social media and internet usage a lot more. Or at all. That also is a sign to take action. It’s actually ok and good for a child to remove access from internet. It’s almost like the grandma maybe didn’t know how or what to do and put it all off on therapist and drs and didn’t want to challenge the girl at home.
@@ashleyodom4360 They said that she was sent to a place for her mental health issues, then was visiting doctors after and was on medication. The grandmother did what she could. Remember, being emo was also normal for a lot of kids at that time (depression looks different in today's kids compared to when I was young and emos were considered normal). Cutting and doing edgy stuff was how some kids showed their depression. This kid just happened to actually want to kill, rather than her edgy statements just being a cry for help
Unless we have lived with or raised a killer, I don't think we should speak on what the grandmother should've done differently 🤷♀️ I doubt she even knew the true dangers of her granddaughter having a phone or being on the internet. In fact, society still to this day shames parents for shielding thei kids from the internet & for not allowing cell phones. Just saying my two cents....
The poor boy fearing his family would be hurt. He seems so sweet and being so young and terrified, it's no wonder he lied. I am glad he was not involved.
Right, you can hear in his voice that he’s genuinely terrified of her
honostly I felt he was signifying that he had less to do with the crime , especially with the follow up statement of fearing that he would have future girlfriends like that
Edit: I think he knew more is what I'm trying to say
yeah i felt bad for that guy i couldn't imagine what hes imagining
@@notgreatnotterrible48years63 her?
my son introduced me to your channel and it is such a change from the overly dramatized channels out there. You deal with the facts and explain as you go which i find such a change! thanks for bringing these cases to the people out here in you tube land !