Let’s talk Shotgun Powders
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- Опубликовано: 9 янв 2020
- In this video we will discuss various types of shotgun powder used in reloading. We will discuss fast and slow burn rates, as well as Drams equivalent. Enjoy
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Thank you for this info. As a new shotgun owner that is in possession of a Lee slug and buckshot mould, I appreciate it. Ammo being as scarce as it is, its a very useful skill to be able to make your own, if possible. Take care man.
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I started reloading because of steel shot. Shells at the time suffered from poor performance, low kill rate and expense. No matter what Field and Stream or (insert outdoor magazine here)said it was typical for all shells and manufacturers. I spent hours in Libraries, magazines, and manuals (this was years before the internet) not to mention how many "oldtimers" I talked to, trying to find an answer for my questions. Finally, after literally hundreds of hours I spent all my overtime money and purchased a Ponsness/Warren 375, spare head, and setups for 10ga, 12ga 2 3/4 & 3", Wads for steel in the same ga's, 209 primers and a few cans of IMR 4756. The kill ratio was as good as PB (lead) at 50 yards or less and in-fact was accused of using such. The learning curve was less then I thought having everything figured out by about the 6 week mark. Barrel damage was a huge concern for me but I never noticed anything in any of my guns with some still being used today.
A few years later, the 3 1/2 was introduced that kind of solved some of the problems with steel shot. I couldn't find a good 4756 recipe for the 3 1/2 so on the advice from others I tried "Steel" powder from Alliant. It worked but not as well as my IMR. I certainly wouldn't push my shot over the 45 yard range and even the I was getting cripples.
By this time factory shells had become ok, not as good as reloaded but they were cost effective.
Now, 15 years later, shells are hard to find and once again expensive. I can't even find 10ga where I live. Being out of reloading for that many years I thought I would give it a try again. Seems all my favorite powders are gone, (like when Alcan was no longer imported) and all I can find are powders I never liked (Steel, Hodgdon...) I am sure someone will love them but for me they never performed like 4756. So now, I guess I have to use what ever over the counter shell I can find or play around with powders until I find something that works. Either way I feel I loose.
When SR4756 was discontinued I was heartbroken. I didn't use Steel powder until after I ran out of the SR. What I dislike about Steel powder is it has to be hand-weighed. Hodgdon Longshot or Alliant Blue Dot are the best these days as far as metering in a loader for loading steel. The one thing about Longshot is the report is very loud. Sometimes you can find SR4756 at a show or a gun shop, but those are pretty rare. Thanks for watching hope you enjoyed the video.
Fast forward to 2022. There is no Unique, no Universal, no 20/28, no Green Dot, Blue Dot or Red Dot, No PB, no Herco, no International and no IMR. Good luck finding load data for 16 gauge using any of the few components that are actually available for purchase. A few people are trying to experiment with some of the pistol powders which have similar burn rates to the formerly popular shotgun powders. Most of the powders that are findable are either too hot or too slow for the 16ga. I haven't found anything that sits in the sweet spot that Unique and Universal occupied.
Fast forward to 2023 or 24. Have you found anything that will work in the 16 gauge ?
I saw blue dot, red dot, e3, and Longshot this last weekend at Sportsmans Warehouse. Winter 2023. They also had primers and wads. I feel like the shortage is turning around.
black powder dram equivalent listing is based on observing that
3 drams or 82 grains of black powder could drive 492 grain
or 1.125 ounce load of shot out of a 12 gauge at 1200 fps
so
the amount of any modern propellant that can push one & an 8th of an ounce @
1200 fps velocity is then said to be the equivalent of 3 drams of black powder
&
shell reload data from factories say most of their 3 dram equivalent
shells start from 16.5 - 19.5 grains of Smokeless to work up from
as in
.60 - .73 drams of smokeless powder is equivalent to 3 drams black powder
or
a 4 or 5 to one ratio BY WEIGHT! NOT VOLUME! as a starting point ONLY!
I'm watching back through videos I've watched already, just absorbing info, but nice to see another Okie in the hobby.
Have mainly found content from BRO & Shotgun Scientist. The shotshell reloading for beginners Facebook group in kinda helpful too.
Haven't found any components locally yet, but still hopeful to find some powder & primers in the 918 before taking the plunge. Bass Pro in BA seems to be the only retailer around.
Have a good one Sir
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Great video, I’m in California so the more info on steel shot reloading the better, keep up the good work 😊
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Thanks for the kind words.
OK Shotgun Outdoors Do you load any tungsten? I’ve been wanting to try for some turkey loads, but It’s hard to find good load data.
I haven’t yet. Maybe in the future.
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Dram equivalent was first started to compare black powder loads to modern smokeless powders when companies first started loading shotshells with "modern smokeless powder" so shooters used to the old nomenclature could mentally know , your example of your dad is a good example. It is still used to some extent but US manufacturers are rapidly moving to average velocities instead of dram equivalent.
I hear ya. It's sort of similar to calling a Chevrolet 350 v8 a 5.7liter. That still sounds weird to me but that is how I grew up hearing them spoken of. There were 305, 350, 400, and 454 that we had in our various farm trucks. They are different ways of saying the same thing. I hear people today talking about the 5.3 as the “new” 327 even though they are two different designs. Thank you for watching. Hope you enjoy the content.
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For 16 gauge 20 gr to 23gr of longshot will generally work for just about any 3/4 to 1.125 oz pay load For 20 gauge 20 gr of longshot will generally work well for just about any payload of 3/4 to 1.125 oz . For 12ga 30gr of longshot of longshot generally works well for any 3/4 to 1.375 oz payloads with hot primers. Faster velocitys with lower chamber pressures using longshot. Try at your very own risk.
I have green dot as my first shotgun powder.
Just ordered the manual.
Got my Rio Manual in a couple weeks ago.
Now that Hodgdon Clays is no longer available, Hodgdon Perfect Pattern is a really good powder to use for target loads, that is 7/8 ounce and 1 ounce loads, and Hodgdon Titegroup or High Gun (same powder) is great for 1-1/8 ounce target loads.
P.S. I'm glad you didn't repeat the old nonsense about slow powders having lower recoil than fast powders. That's nonsense.
Clays ist wonderful.....😢
Thankyou for sharing, Great video. I'm new at this, I have 2.75 Winchester 1.25 steel #4.
Is the hohgson longshot good for this shell? Wanting to get the most power for shooting large birds, let ducks, etc
There are lots of loads with longshot for steel. Precision Reloading and Ballistic Products have good recipes.
Hell of a informative video. Good job. About drams, is 3 3/4 dram ( listed on a Remington buckshot Green & yellow box) a high power load.
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Good video how do you like the imr blue been studying on a turkey load for my daughter 20ga thinking about trying it God bless you and keep the videos coming
I use it in 20 gauge 1 ounce loads. It’s a slow burning magnum powder. I think this is cleaner than blue dot. It does a great job on heavy 12 gauge lead loads too.
@@okshotgun thanks you have great content looking forward to seeing more
I am trying to figure out velocity. All the charts I see show fps of around 1200 but most of the shells I buy are around 1550 fps. How do I get that out of the reload, does it take different powder or just more of it and if it is more how do I do so safely?
Any upcoming videos? Miss the great content
Only a couple ways to change burn rate. 1 kernel size. 2 base material. 3 coating. I’m new to shotgun but not new to reloading. Does shotgun powder degrade like varget or 4350? Is flake powder or ball powder better?
Great info!! Thank you very much!!
Do you know of any books that include load data for maxam csb5?
I do not. If I come across any I will post it up here for you.
I'm new to reloading shotshells bought some stuff from ballistic products hoping to load 12g what would the best load for the cs12s comp special short wad good for
Unfortunately you need to provide more information. The wad is the last thing I buy, I start with what powder primer and hulls I have or can obtain. No good to buy wads hulls and primers only to find the powder being asked for isn't available. Wads being so cheap and normally available do those last.
i just started loading for a 20gauge i keep getting clumpy pattern where 4or 5 pellets group in a tight pattern all over the pattern instead of a nice even pattern through out would powder cause this or should i be looking at choke i know with rifle reloading poweder makes big diffrence in performance
It could be a combination of things. Are you loading buckshot?
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Hao i have a question what is the difference from pistolpowder and blank cartridge powder what is the difference thanks from turkey
I am not familiar with pistol and blank cartridges.
Can I use Hodgdon LiL' gun powder In my 12 Ga. Reloads.? Reloading win. AA 2 3/4 inch hulls and Rem. Peters blue light. Thanks Lil Gun is a medium burn made for 410 Ga. Hate to waste it .
I would check with Hodgdon for load data.
What is the weight of gunpowder required for filling alliant steel powder 28 and 30 gr?
go to alliant
I need some 410 powder idk what the hell to use I'm new to shotshell reloading
Check with the Lyman 5th edition manual, Hodgdon, or Alliant.
Great videos but you need to do the videos without dipping. It is a turnoff for some of us. Video info is great though.
How about herco for slug loads? 525 grain pellet slug
I don’t have any experience with Herco powder.
@@okshotgun thank you
You said it wasn’t very informative it was .never substituted powders. Now days everyone is doing it and there going to hurt
Which gunpowder is used in Remington 00 shells
Have to check a manual or published data from powder manufacturers.
Hey man, make some more videos.
I have plans for more videos real soon. I recently started school at Sonoran Desert Institute and have been real busy. There will be a video about shot coming out soon.
@@okshotgun Ok cool. I just started reloading and your videos are the best out there.
Was that a James Bond movie intro
I was learning how to navigate through IMovie and just went with it. It made me laugh so I said lets put it out there. Thanks for watching.
Hey man with all of this crazy talk of them taking away our guns and ammo i decided to start making my own 12 ga shotgun ammo. I plan on using shwlls i already shot is their any way i can talk to you privatly so you can get me started on the right track ?
Did they take away any of your guns or ammo?
Interesting video.. all good information!
Please consider doing away with the chew and spitting in the cup while filming.
Thanks for the video...
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reloader80@yahoo.com
I don’t have a website. I only have email.
@@okshotgun
Thank you for the quick response. I appreciate that.
@@okshotgunIs this email still a good contact?
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1 minute long intro is ridiculous.
It was pretty good though, might watch it again.
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WTF spitting in a cup while making a video, you couldn't put it aside for 15 minutes.
You RAMBLED-ON for 15 minutes in what could be said and better explained in 3 minutes. Learn to WRITE (and follow) a SCRIPT!
Some of us new guys getting into it don't need a Tiktok form video to learn.