CVA Accura V2... Long Range muzzleloader??? 200 yard field review with the CVA Accura V2!
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Is the CVA Accura V2 capable of shooting accurately at 200 yards? I put the CVA to the test in the field with different bullet and powder grain options to find out if the Accura has what it takes to be a 200 yard deer muzzleloader.
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I have a TC Omega with a Bushnell DOA 250 , This is a ballistic reticule scope. I shoot 250 Gr Barnes T-EZ over 100 Gr by volume of Blackhorn 209. My top crosshair is dead on at 75 & 100 yards. My next Crosshair is good at 150 yards. The next at 200 yards hits about 2” high. That is as far as I have taken the gun. I do have a better rest and gun support. My shooting bench hight is higher ( More ergonomic) The accuracy I am getting is Amazing ! Gives me Crushing confidence in the field. Before next hunting season going to experiment with full bore diameter bullets is 250 and 290 Gr.
I have the same rifle and shoot 290 grain barnes TMZ with 120 gr fffg triple seven. My chrono fps is a consistent 1900 fps in a clean barrel. My first shot is always dead on, but once the barrel warms even a bit the shots creep. So, I go out a couple times with a clean cold barrel and only shoot once to get my first shot zero. I site at 175 yrds. Gives me a max high of 4 inches and minus 3 or so at 200. Trick is clean cold barrel and you have a point blank range of 200 yards. One other thing; you guys had a slight crosswind left to right... At 200 yards that had a significant impact on your accuracy, so keep that in mind. PS: I measure my loads by weight.... 120 gr Volume is 95 gr weight.
Is the fffg powder or is that the triple seven magnum charges that come in the red box
That's the powder.
Do you prefer the fffg over the ffg? I was going to get it, but the gunsmith said fff is dirtier than that ff, and it's made for pistols and not my mz rifle
I use fff because it actually burns cleaner in my rifle. My rifle is prone to creating a hard ring of burned powder where the bullet sits. FFF causes the smallest burn ring and I find it the most accurate. Every barrel is different though.
Every time I hear you say “extreme spread”, I think of bullet velocity, extreme spread being fps from the slowest shot to the fastest shot of the same load data. I think you mean “group size”. Either way, great video
@JBJ Honez Thank you! I am using the term in its broad definition. Ballistipida defines extreme spread as “the largest distance between any two points.” Those two points of comparison for shooters are commonly velocity measurements but extreme spread doesn’t only apply to velocity.
Love that muzzleloader, I have the Acura V2 PR with the black barrel. I shoot the 295 PB also but with 3 pellets of triple 7, mine likes them. Good hunting 👍
I get sub moa accuracy with my Optima V2. 200 grain TC Shockwave, 100 grains IMR Whitehots, CCI 209 primer. I sight in 1.5" high at 100 yards. I've taken several deer cleanly at 200 yards.
@shawnb232 Yeah man! It’s more than capable at 200.
I have the CVA Accura V2 LR thumbhole model with a Nikon XR-INLINE BDC scope. I use Hornady SST 250 gr sabots with 2 - 50 grain pellets. Zeroed @ 100 yards Dead on at 200 and 250! Killed a 6 point last Friday standing at 201 yards. Hit right where I aimed with the BDC reticle. Blew right through him.
@Whitetail Hunter Heck yeah! That will do it for sure.
How do you get the yardage for where the lower reticles hit
@dbillgaming7250 From Nikons website. Search for the specific scope with the Nikon BDC, and they have a ballistic calculator depending on powder load, bullet grain, zoom setting, etc.
I wish guys showing rifle accuracy would actually put the effort into setting up a proper rest to shoot from. I do appreciate the effort that was put into this video though…
Exactly
I hope that since this was three years ago that your load development has become more organized. I noticed that you kept changing many variables thus chasing desired results.
@@thomasjochum46 He kept it right there. Has killed many deer at 100 and a little further with it.
That gun likely does not like the white hots or the bullets. I'd try different bullets and or powder.
Seems like a frustrated test. You should try another shooter with the same weapon. Then compare whether it’s the weapon or the shooter for accuracy.
I love my CVA Optima V2. I shoot 2 white hots and the 295 grain hollow point Power belts. It’s zeroed in at 100 yards but I feel confident and have taken deer at 150 yards. The guy shooting was all over the place, I wonder if you would have had different results with a second shooter. Good video though.
@Radar Could always be shooter error. The initial load combo was definitely a problem also though. It just didn’t want that combo. I believe he has settled on 250 grain projectile and two white hots. That’s what I use in my optima pro and it’s spot on at 200 and beyond.
Good luck this season. Thanks for watching and for the comment!
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I shoot the 245 power belts and my gun has never seen anything other then blackhorn 209 and as far as I’m concerned that’s all it would ever see the other powders don’t even compare
@Justin Lloyd Yeah seems like that Blackhorn is consistently a top pick.
If you want best accuracy loose powder usually wins. Similar to reloading centerfire 30-06 not every barrel like same even number of grains powder charge. 90 grains of blackhorn 209 produced awesome groups in my cva. Pellets were ok but not near as accurate. If shooting under 100 yards not a big deal . But at long range it is.
That's about the best you'll get with power belts and triple seven, the barnes 250 grain hollow points average around two inch three shot groups with black horn powder 70 grain weight charges. That's 120 by volume. Great video guys 👍
@Richard Finney I hear a lot of good about the black horn powder. May have to give that a try. Thanks for watching!
84 grns by weight is 120grns by volume fyi.
@@HuntShootLiveGood luck finding it and your definitely gonna pay. Used to be 40 bucks for 12oz. Now its 80 to 100 for 10oz
@@dhooter some of that is scarce for sure. Im well supplied though.
Try blackhorn 209. I'm getting 1in 2 shot groups at 245yrds with a cva optima v2 LR
Where you getting black horn? Can’t find it anywhere
I stocked up.
They have it available on their website to buy direct from the company. Not cheap though but what is today…
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Hornaday 250 SST and white hots drives tacks at 100 yards.
Try shooting the Hornaday FTX 225 grain .430/ 44 cal bullets with the Harvester 50 bore/ 44 cal sabots with 150 grains of powder. I think you will be VERY pleased with the results.
My Accura like loose powder. Can’t remember how many grains but I have it written down. It shot decent on pellets but better on loose
@Jonathon Kennedy That seems to be common. I guess measuring out the loose powder allows you to be more consistent.
Great video. I do two pellets and a 245 grain bullet. Haven’t missed anything. Have lost anything. I can shoot one shoulder and not lose the other lol.
@Frogs Please Thank you! Yes, I do believe it is a winning combo. He has already shot one deer this year at 125 and dropped it!
I've done it several times with a Traditions Pursuit, Triple Seven or White Hots and a 223 grain powerbelt. See no reason it can't be done with your combo. Switched from that bullet to the 295 HP Powerbelts after I had a couple sketchy blood trails. Haven't had to reach out that far since, but have practiced for that range.
@James Vatter I think practice and knowing your holdover is all the difference. Most people's muzzleloaders can reach out there... question is, do they know how to hit anything accurately out there.
Never did hear you say what 250 grain bullet you're talking about. I shoot the 250 grain Hornaday SST. They shoot a LOT flatter than the power belts do. They are a .45 cal. bullet in a sabot. The power belts are a full .50 cal bullet. makes a big difference.
@ditchdigger93 I believe we were originally using the power belts but ended up going with 250 Thompson super glides.
@@HuntShootLive Nothing wrong with Power Belts, they are just a low BC bullet and best used at short to medium range. I've yet to understand why Power Belt doesn't produce a solid. Seems like they want to hollow point or tip everything.
The biggest gripe I hear with the Power Belt's is lack of penetration. Very soft, very thinly plated lead.
@@ditchdigger93 The powerbelts didn't group as well as the super glides in his gun. I've always has good success with my Optima Pro using the super glides.
300gr Hornady sst and 110gr volume of blackhorn 209 out of my CVA optima v2 I'm shooting a inch hight at 50 yards, dead center at 150 and just shy of a inch low at 200. Id say try different propellants and different projectiles. Once I switched to the sst I started getting less than 2 inch groups at 150 yards. the 295 powerbelts were a 5 inch group at 150 yards
Since nobody else wants to point it out, this test is irrelevant. That rest is nowhere near stable enough to get accurate results. If you watch closely, the gun is moving all over the place.
@GS Nicholas It showed that with little effort and the first combo chosen the gun can shoot a group well enough to take a deer at 200 yards.
@@HuntShootLive no, it really didn't. With that group size and entering the human element and excitement, that's nowhere near accurate enough to reliably place a good shot at that distance.
@@gsnicholas8522 How did that not show that it can do it? Any of those groups were small enough hit the vitals.
@@dwaynesturgill reread the comment directly above yours
@@gsnicholas8522 If someone gets that much more excited shooting when hunting they should keep their shots inside 50 yards.
If that 3 shot of the Pellet is in the head of the other target he pulled it because on the last shot with the 250 grain pellet he tensed up just before he pulled the trigger .
@Chuck Smith Not sure. He called the far right flyer he had when shooting the 295 grain. Every shot with the 250 grain bullets was within 5 inches left to right of his aim point. If he pulled one of this unknowingly, I would assume that means his group would have been sub 5 inches at 200 had he not pulled. I’m curious if the group would improve even more with 250 grain bullet and three white hots.
Do yourselves a favor. Barnes 290gr TEZ, 84gr by weight of Blackhorn 209, 209A primer, Blackhorn breech plug. That's all you need to know. I've shot deer out to 350 yards with this setup.
@Wheelerjumpy I have heard a lot of good about Buckhorn 209.
Where are you finding magnum primers?
Blackhorn is the only way. How is that tez on deer.
@@fatheremmons85 I got lucky and found some Winchester W209 primers for $10! I bought 2 of em! Had a hard time finding the blackhorn 209 too! Got some for $55!
@@jimd3323 I have a ton of blackhorn. Just no magnum primers.
nice vid sir, hope your gamo swarm magnum .22 cal gen2 new penetration video is coming out very soon...More power and God bless...
@Jim Olarte I hope to have another within the next month. Thank you and God bless you!
I'd say that first shot at 200 was accurate. I have same gun and after 3 shots it shoots 4-5 inches right like that. If you cleaned the barrel I think it'd group with that first shot. I use 2 white hots and 245 gr as well and same result. Have to clean after 3rd shot or it'll keep pushing further right dirtier it gets.
@Thomas Harp You are probably correct. That combo seems to perform very well. I use two white hots and 250 grain Thompson super glide. Killed several deer at 200 with it. Killing a doe at 200 with the accura is on my list of videos this deer season.
i use in my cva opma killed lots deer easy at 250 yrs. 85 gr by weight black horn 209.and 180gr 44mag xtp bullets sabots.
Hornady SST and blackhorn for the win
@lay low I have heard that is a great combo.
I'm not sure how powerbelts and Pellets ever got so popular. They do dumb down muzzleloading to a very simple process but at the cost of Accuracy and performance. Is it really that much harder to measure out a volumetric amount of powder and pour it into test tubes??? or better yet weight out the powder with a $25 scale??? Then the accuracy and performance of powerbelts is pretty bad compared to what is out there on the market. Also if you break it all down to a cost per shot basis its a very expensive setup as well. I just dont see how making it slightly simpler is enough of an advantage to offset decreases in accuracy, bullet performance, and cost
@Benjamin Storrick I don’t recall what we ended up using in this video. I personally use Thompson 250 super glides and 2 White Hots. Been killing deer at 200 yards with that combo for years.
Thanks for the information it's helpful. A little less repetition would be nice.
@@timjohnson9078 Thank you! Try the fast forward option for any content you could do without.
You got the barrel setting on the bipod 🤷🏻♂️
@Kevin Pagitt Doesn’t appear to be. 250 super glides and two white hots did the trick.
Range isnt the issue. Sure it'll lob bullets pretty far. Enough energy that those ranges is the question I would be concerned with. Thats just me overthinking shit as usual lol
@dhooter I’ve dropped many deer at 200 with that combo of power and bullet from my Optima Pro. So, the energy is there as long as you hit the vitals.
How often are you cleaning between shots?
@@gregoryhale2889 This was three or four years ago. I think we swabbed between shots but if we didn’t say in the video I don’t remember.
Try blackhorn powder an hornady elr bullets
@@jamescannon4917 Blackhorn seems to be excellent.
Did you clean between each shot?
@Timothy McKenna Yes we did clean between shots.
I don't know , maybe secure the barrel before firing .
@Airon Noles Troll much?
A deer most always only gives you one shot
Try 250arrowligjt and triple 7 60 grain two pellets
@Robert Cross He has this one shooting pretty dang good with 250 super glides and two white hots.
Nothing personal, but you need a much better bench vice set up. I was able to call that he was going to have a far left shot in the second group by watching his movement, 100% human error! You are also shooting downhill! If you were shooting on level ground, your drop would be a lot more extreme. I hope to hell that you are not sighting in the Hills, to shoot on the flatland, or from hilltop to hilltop because you’re about to screw all that up when you zero a downhill drop! No way would you be accurate in a cornfield
His spread is 100% human error! Watch your own video, after the zero, you could see his gun twist on two shots just before it bounced up from being fired with no downward SUPPORT. Not to mention like I said, you are shooting downhill, do another video and shoot from where that target is sitting at a target where you are currently shooting from and watch how many worm burners you get roughly 8 to 10 feet in front of the target maybe more! I never understood people who attempt to zero extreme distances on a downhill which hides some of your bullet drop, in this case, you are well above the top of the tree line, the target is down below the tree line so you’re looking at roughly 60 feet in elevation maybe more that’s not being accounted for think about it do the math in your head it’s not that hard to figure out
@@jimiandersonblackknight7554 I’m sure there is a good amount of human error. It was not down hill though. Though there were rolling hills in the field, we were as level with the target as we could get without breaking out a transit.
As for the guns capability in the two years since this was filmed…. It has killed many deer at the 100 yard range without difficulty. Including one just yesterday. He has not attempted a shot further than 100-130.
Flyers only count on the rang. Flyers, what does that mean.
@wesleyharding7544 The ones that are slightly off from the group and the reason they are off is not known.
Excellent
If you don’t swab in between shots your wasting your time
This test is nauseating. Nothing about it is consistent or accurate enough to ethically hunt
@austinlewis3273 Thanks for helping the algorithm! I hope the nausea gets better soon.
very interesting. it could be the camera angle but i would think if your shooting downhill you won't get the same bullet drop as you would on level ground.
@ron truocchio The target and shooting area were level with each other.
My gun likes 245 or 250 grain much better than 295 or 300.
@Aaron Trotter That is definitely the case with his gun. 250 is my preference in my gun as well. More than enough to get the job done!
With those style breech plugs and how easy it is to remove them. If your not taking the time and at least running a wet patch followed by a dry patch down the barrel between shots.... Your doing the accuracy of that gun absolutely no favours....
@@BBD-350L Yes. It definitely can be a 200 yard muzzleloader.
Yall would get alot better accuracy if Jared would hold onto the gun instead of letting it fly up everytime he shoots.
@patrickwilson619 What’s your theory behind that opinion?
I can't give you a 200 yard review.... But I can give you a 6 minute hunt that ended with a 10 yard shot review from yesterday.... BOOM! Dead deer. Thank you.
@pensnut08 Excellent review!!!
Loose powder for me 80gr
Dude, that's a real shitty way of testing.
Your target should match your scope reticle. Basically, instead of shooting a head with no aim point.
Use white target and draw a reticle on paper that matches your scope reticle. When shooting for accuracy loads, this method is super easy. Just align scope to target and pull
@chunkyfather29 I don’t follow what you’re saying. I want the smallest aiming point possible. I don’t care what the rest of the target looks like.
If thats all the better it will shoot at a target off a rest thats not a 200 yard gun
@jeffpysell4464 Maybe. I don't know because we didn't try further. I do know that with the first random powder type, weight, bullet type and weight we ended up with 10" group at 200 yards. Hitting just outside what is the vital zone for a group. I would have to assume...and maybe I'm wrong... but I have to assume that implies that if one experimented with various other component types and weights that improved accuracy could be achieved. Maybe we just happened to randomly choose the best options for all components right off the bat with no experimentation. Certainly possible but I'd say it can get better. I do know he has killed multiple deer at 100 yards and slightly past in the several years since this video. He has lost zero deer with this gun.
@HuntShootLive you need to try other bullets and get a sturdy bench
@ Yes. So one would have to assume this gun can do so much better. I’m betting it can be a 200 yard gun.
My wolf and optima shoots better groups then that. My paramount shoots clovers haven't shot my accura mrx yet
@stephensheldon8396 My optima pro groups better than this also. I'm sure this gun would group better with testing various loads. And maybe he has. I'm not sure. This was just the first load that he chose and what he had when I went to his property to do the test.
@HuntShootLive Blackhorn 209 makes a huge difference all my muzzleloaders shoot the BH 209 and I have excellent results with it. I tested a ton of bullets and load charges.
@stephensheldon8396 I've heard a lot of good about Blackhorn. Have a few friends who use it in their Paramounts.
@HuntShootLive I use it in all my muzzleloaders. I used to hunt with shotguns and rifles now I strictly hunt gun season with muzzleloaders.
That was not good by any standards!
@Wesley Harding Deer can only get so dead. And it’s killing out to 200 just fine.
@@HuntShootLive that so true, but they were target shooting, no offense ment.
@@wesleyharding7544 None taken. Just trying to clarify. The final result was very acceptable for hunting purposes out to 200 yards. "Good" is relative to the shooter. A "good shooting gun" is relative to the shooter. Some find a one in group at 100 yards unacceptable. I always default to the intended purpose. If you are shooting competition then a one inch group is not gonna cut it. A five inch group with a muzzleloader at 200 yards gets the job done. Thank you for watching and for the comment!
@@HuntShootLive it’s doing “just fine” until you factor in the human equation. Then it’s not fine. With the human element thrown in you can figure that your group size will double in size under hunting conditions.
One of the worst videos I have watched for obtaining accuracy.
@@outdoorsports2907 I believe you read the title wrong. We tested one type of power, one weight powder, one bullet, one weight. If you want accuracy you have to change the variables. We just showed it was reasonable to assume this gun can be a 200 yard gun. It obviously can. Thanks for helping the algorithm!