I'm multistreaming on Twitch and RUclips. I'm not really a fan of chat on the screen though, so I'm looking for other options and might give Casterlabs a look.
I think the biggest issue is platforms with lack of moderation. Between Twitch and RUclips there's pretty robust moderation tools and a combined chat shouldn't be an issue.
I audibly said “thank god” when you mentioned aitum came out with a new horizontal multi stream plug in. I love the vertical plug in so much and I’ve been waiting for this! Thank you so much for all that you do.
I multistream to Twitch/RUclips/TikTok all at the same time and use Lumia stream to combine chat in an overlay (sorry twitch) and I found it to be wonderful on my RUclips channel bc it’s helping me reach my hours for monetization (after converting to a vod not while live of course) and I mostly post gameplay videos so people are enjoying the live gameplay experience too. So personally I’m loving it
Livestreaming on YT has been great - I've gone well past the watch hours despite not having enough subscribers to apply for partnership yet. Just started recently simulcasting, and I combine chat too. I don't feel Twitch is in a position to ban people for combining chat, and it dilutes the experience without it. Strange choice that they'll probably end up doing a 180 on, like some of the other choices they made.
I started simulcasting from Twitch onto RUclips and have been loving the momentum of my journey towards YTPP. I’ve actually had a viewer today hop over from my YT stream and followed my Twitch and continued the conversation there. Livestreams are HUGE towards those watch hour requirements and it’s fun to “start fresh” on another platform with everything you’ve learned on your main platform :)
The "subs don't want to watch your streams" problem is easily solved by RUclips adding another notification setting. Under "All" it should have "No Live" or "No Streams" which will give you notifications for all of the normal longer-format videos without the streams; "Personalized" would still give you streams if & only if you end up watching one. An extremely simple fix for RUclips; do you have any connections you can bubble this up to?
IMO On multistreaming and mixing chats. It also breaks EU rules about crossplatform data sharing without user consent. Using a keybind and some on screen image hinting what platform you talk to could probably work. Adding some workflow, but should be safe for all parties. Great video anyhow.
Thanks for your input. Couple of streamers i work with wanted to know best multi stream option. And for putting my tweet in the video (conduit mic stand dude with no cable management skills)
Agreed. Live streams on youtube took a hit for me. I recommend doing it once in a while for your RUclips audience getting the chance to ask questions and get to know you.
i have been using Air cast which offers a chat consolidation feature for multiplatform streaming. I am a console gamer without an adequate stream Pc, it has completely changed how i can provide content...granted i have a very small audience. it might be a pretty cool product to review..as im sure im not the only one who follows you that cannot utilize a powerful pc to run obs efficiently...love the content, keep it up
Being a small channel such as myself, I think I'm just going to stick to RUclips streaming. You brought up a whole bunch of points that got me really thinking about the future of my channel. And since I'm not making money on YT yet! It's probably best I stay on one till I do, start making that paper! Thank you for this video and all the info!
Membership streams for RUclips sounds awesome. I’m joining as soon as you enable that button! Happy Thanksgiving & have a great time with your family! 🦃🥧
I'm not going to multistrream (at least at the moment, who knows what the future brings) As someone who started streaming on RUclips and quickly moved over to Twitch, I felt the whole streaming experience here was far inferior. I don't know how much of that has changed since late 2018 to be honest. Might have? The same bitrate, resolution and framerate on both platforms had very different quality, twitch looked good with 6k bitrate 720p while RUclips still looked bad with 1080p 10k bitrate. The connection broke off all the time.. There was NO community feeling whatsoever and discoverability was horrible too. I started uploading my slighty edited twitch VODs to YT (a year ago, Nov. 2022) and that seems to do quite well.. So that is what I'm going to stick with for now. :)
I think some people are overdramatic about kick’s communities. Yeah some streamers are crazies but most of their viewers don’t go outside of the degen sphere. All the chatters I’ve had from there are super chill.
They also say you can't provide a better experience to one platform over the other. It is very vague. For example I started streaming at 1440p to youtube for better codec, but can only stream at 1080p to Twitch. So technically one could argue that one was a better experience than the other. The combined chat thing...RUclips and Twitch both of TOS and don't allow 'toxic' stuff so I don't really understand twitch's argument here. However, I suppose it could have something to do with places like kick or rumble etc.
Define combined chat? I get the point is "Don't show alternative chats," but that's not what combined means. If I can't "combine" it, what if I had two entirely different streams of comments? Of course, I don't stream at all, I just like picking things apart. (Edit for clarification) A very quick Google search implies that it means merging. But again, if the issue is "If they ban an individual for ToS, they can just get around it onto a different platform." Which this rule doesn't seem to answer either. The rule itself, to say it simply "If you're going to multi-stream, don't give other streams preferential treatment over us." Which doesn't mean you can't combine them, it means you can't only stream non-Twitch chats. That seems fair to me. What's the actual issue of merging chats here? The only thing is using a third-party program to do it, which as you said, Twitch can just, do it themselves if they don't want somebody else doing it.
For the love of god can we get aitum vertical an update that lets us pause recordings the way the regular canvas can. It would be such a quality of life upgrade that I can only assume is very doable
I had the exact same idea about making my YT lives members only because I stream different stuff from my main YT content. But I'm weary. When I mentioned it people asked me why I'm going to put my lives behind a paywall. I tried to explain that's not the point and the same streams will be live on Twitch and Kick, but people still didn't like the idea. Also Social Stream Ninja really rocks for combining chats
The whole multistreaming idea with a member ship reminds me of ltts floatplane almost since I can still watch wan show on twitch or yt so it’s no a paywall.
Can't you set up a banned word list on Kick and Twitch? So that way all the toxic people will automatically be filtered out if something offensive is typed? I'd argue then, you are actively moderating each platform's chats efficiently. Thanks for the video man, great insight!!
Hey, thanks for all you do Harris. You gave a great suggestion in this video that I am going to try out. I won't say what it is because I don't want to get you in trouble.
Would you recommend having 2 separate scenes, one for twitch and one for youtube with separate alerts for each platform or just put everything in one scene with both alerts?
Just want to point out you can set a membership price for your RUclips stream to whatever you want. I have a membership to a creator who has multiple tiers and I am on the $1 tier.
I had this idea where like stream labs are streaming elements and pull it a button into like for example like stream labs desktop they should like add a button for like pacific widgets to pop up only Pacific platforms
Starting the new year I will be multistreaming.. Right now I'm too busy (moving) to set everything up the way I like it (yes, I try to be a bit different from others). BUT, I will not be combining chat. WHY.. Well, I stream IRL, I am walking outside or am at a location where i don't have a streamdeck to quickly do/take any actions for bad messages coming from another platform. I do already have it set up that I can read the Kick & RUclips messages while not at home. If someone has a legit question, I'll read out what it was and answer it. Else, I just ignore it. :D ;)
I have enough trouble keeping up with one chat let alone two. It feels weird as a viewer since I'm only reading one platform's comments in the chat... the ones on screen have a delay which is annoying and makes it hard to have actual conversations
I'm new to both streaming and multstreaming and was wondering how you monitor all the streams? I've been opening a web page for yourube, twitch and kick stream managers and watching my strams to keep an eye on everything so if one of them stops working I can fix it. I cant find anything about this so I don't know if i need to do that or not. Side note im using obs to stream and not using a restream service
Right I want to get this write but what’s does everyone use for there chat because mines always not working although I’ve linked and everything so what secures does everyone use for there chat
I really can't see them enforcing the combined chat rule without a TOS violation to go with it to justify it. Even that feels like an excuse to prevent people from promoting other platforms more than it really is a worry about TOS violations.
When I started livestreaming on my YT channel, and left the lives listed as videos, my shorts views have taken a massive hit in view count! I mean going from 3-5k views to less than 100 views and NOT being shown in the shorts feed. Has anyone else noticed this?!
I think that the ruling against a combined chat is due to moderation requirements by app stores and countries. Twitch HAS to moderate their content, and the only way they can moderate Kick chat is by banning the streamer showing said chat.
Question: Since they don't want a combined chat feed on screen... Is there a Multi-Platform chat client available that Will let me Click on any chat message in the program to Display just that message on screen, So all the viewers will know which chatter the streamer is responding to? Kind of like the Twitch "Featured Chat" tool, But Not for Twitch-only....
Someone above said Lumia stream will do the chat overlay. Have you figured out how to use the Aitum tv vertical plugin for streaming? I can’t seem to get the stream to go to RUclips and be anything but vertical
I’m confused here though, did something recently change because the ToS for twitch prohibits streaming yo twitch and another major broadcast (RUclips/Facebook/kick). I’m currently a twitch affiliate and don’t want to compromise that, but I’d love to be able to dial steam to RUclips.
Have a bug where my resolution on the vertical streams are messed up since trying multi stressing on horizontal then switching back to vertical. I think I have to reinstall it
Can you recommend a good microphone to use while I stream on obs while playing a game. As far as a webcam, I am going to use a Tiny 2 4k, however, I sit 27” from my triple monitors as I play a racing game, so a mic on a boom would maybe be best, but idk and why I am asking you since you have seen it all, and tried a lot of things.
I don't have a big enough audience for multi streaming but hey, if it messes up engagement and subs, good thing I only stream to YT every now and again.
Harris, have you experimented with RUclips Shorts streaming? Some of my friends and I are now exclusively streaming to RUclips vertically unless there’s a big event, such as an update or piece of content that is meant to be enjoyed live.
Legally speaking, you cannot have customers break ToS from another site for sponsorship reasons. You are making a product that utilizes advertising products in exchange for entertainment to fund the servers. The chat mitigation on stream is a provided product with rules for that legal understanding. If you have a problem with it, bring it up with the advertiser policy contracts.
We need a tool that combines all our streams chats in one chat for the streamer to read from, everything i've found doesn't work properly or you gotta have a bunch of chats open just minimized to work into another program
makes no sense to have the stream not available on youtube and open to watch on twitch when its well known that twitch vods have an expiration. it also makes no sense to leave it on youtube when youtube video and streams are separated on two different pages anyways. video watchers who dont click on the LIVE page will never see the live stream so why need to hide it for only members on youtube. do please leave big live stream events public on youtube
Who's multistreaming and who's not multistreaming?
Great Video Man!
was multistreaming before. but not on twitch, i just added twitch BACK last week,, we'll see what happens, and yes CASTERLABS is a great tool
I'm multistreaming on Twitch and RUclips. I'm not really a fan of chat on the screen though, so I'm looking for other options and might give Casterlabs a look.
I’m totally down for the RENEGADE Harris I love it bro Happy Thanksgiving to you and the family.
I've been multistreaming on the DL for quite some time. So happy it is allowed now.
When I have 3 viewers across both platforms the chat doesn’t get too confusing 🤣
so freaking mad you have more viewers than me dude 😠
I think the biggest issue is platforms with lack of moderation. Between Twitch and RUclips there's pretty robust moderation tools and a combined chat shouldn't be an issue.
I audibly said “thank god” when you mentioned aitum came out with a new horizontal multi stream plug in. I love the vertical plug in so much and I’ve been waiting for this! Thank you so much for all that you do.
I multistream to Twitch/RUclips/TikTok all at the same time and use Lumia stream to combine chat in an overlay (sorry twitch) and I found it to be wonderful on my RUclips channel bc it’s helping me reach my hours for monetization (after converting to a vod not while live of course) and I mostly post gameplay videos so people are enjoying the live gameplay experience too. So personally I’m loving it
Livestreams on RUclips actually count towards your hours for monetizing FYI and that’s time watched per user :)
Livestreaming on YT has been great - I've gone well past the watch hours despite not having enough subscribers to apply for partnership yet. Just started recently simulcasting, and I combine chat too. I don't feel Twitch is in a position to ban people for combining chat, and it dilutes the experience without it. Strange choice that they'll probably end up doing a 180 on, like some of the other choices they made.
Enjoy your break, you deserve it and your family definitely deserves time together!
I started simulcasting from Twitch onto RUclips and have been loving the momentum of my journey towards YTPP. I’ve actually had a viewer today hop over from my YT stream and followed my Twitch and continued the conversation there.
Livestreams are HUGE towards those watch hour requirements and it’s fun to “start fresh” on another platform with everything you’ve learned on your main platform :)
The "subs don't want to watch your streams" problem is easily solved by RUclips adding another notification setting. Under "All" it should have "No Live" or "No Streams" which will give you notifications for all of the normal longer-format videos without the streams; "Personalized" would still give you streams if & only if you end up watching one. An extremely simple fix for RUclips; do you have any connections you can bubble this up to?
I'm using youtube streaming on some of the creators I used to watch on Twitch because I hate Twitch Ads and RUclips doesn't have this problem
IMO
On multistreaming and mixing chats.
It also breaks EU rules about crossplatform data sharing without user consent.
Using a keybind and some on screen image hinting what platform you talk to could probably work.
Adding some workflow,
but should be safe for all parties.
Great video anyhow.
Damnnn?
The thumbnail is SICK! Also glad your touching on this been waiting with notifiactions on.
Hey man, you have some really solid advice and have helped me on my streaming career immensely. I appreciate your videos
Thanks for your input. Couple of streamers i work with wanted to know best multi stream option. And for putting my tweet in the video (conduit mic stand dude with no cable management skills)
I love this video, thank you so much amigo. Felices fiestas!
Agreed. Live streams on youtube took a hit for me. I recommend doing it once in a while for your RUclips audience getting the chance to ask questions and get to know you.
I'm thankful to you for using your power and position for good and protesting the weird and restrictive combined chat rule for the little guys.
I've restreamed before but stopped so I might pick it up again, thanks for the video.
Thank you for that. A lot of points made in there. Keep rocking it.
i have been using Air cast which offers a chat consolidation feature for multiplatform streaming. I am a console gamer without an adequate stream Pc, it has completely changed how i can provide content...granted i have a very small audience. it might be a pretty cool product to review..as im sure im not the only one who follows you that cannot utilize a powerful pc to run obs efficiently...love the content, keep it up
Enjoy your rest, Happy Resting 🤟
Thanks for this! Have a great Thanksgiving.
ive been combining chat on screen as an overly for months.. im not stopping.
Being a small channel such as myself, I think I'm just going to stick to RUclips streaming. You brought up a whole bunch of points that got me really thinking about the future of my channel. And since I'm not making money on YT yet! It's probably best I stay on one till I do, start making that paper! Thank you for this video and all the info!
Membership streams for RUclips sounds awesome. I’m joining as soon as you enable that button! Happy Thanksgiving & have a great time with your family! 🦃🥧
What if the chat isn't "combined" and you have separate chat overlays for separate platforms but are still visible on stream?
I'm not going to multistrream (at least at the moment, who knows what the future brings)
As someone who started streaming on RUclips and quickly moved over to Twitch, I felt the whole streaming experience here was far inferior. I don't know how much of that has changed since late 2018 to be honest. Might have?
The same bitrate, resolution and framerate on both platforms had very different quality, twitch looked good with 6k bitrate 720p while RUclips still looked bad with 1080p 10k bitrate. The connection broke off all the time.. There was NO community feeling whatsoever and discoverability was horrible too.
I started uploading my slighty edited twitch VODs to YT (a year ago, Nov. 2022) and that seems to do quite well.. So that is what I'm going to stick with for now. :)
I think some people are overdramatic about kick’s communities. Yeah some streamers are crazies but most of their viewers don’t go outside of the degen sphere. All the chatters I’ve had from there are super chill.
Happy Thanksgiving
They also say you can't provide a better experience to one platform over the other. It is very vague. For example I started streaming at 1440p to youtube for better codec, but can only stream at 1080p to Twitch. So technically one could argue that one was a better experience than the other. The combined chat thing...RUclips and Twitch both of TOS and don't allow 'toxic' stuff so I don't really understand twitch's argument here. However, I suppose it could have something to do with places like kick or rumble etc.
Happy Holidays Man
And that why Kick is 1000X better than other services
So I can understand the reason behind to not overlay the chat. The chat app for multistream is an awesome alternative.
How did you know I watch every single video as soon as it's released? 🙂
Define combined chat? I get the point is "Don't show alternative chats," but that's not what combined means. If I can't "combine" it, what if I had two entirely different streams of comments? Of course, I don't stream at all, I just like picking things apart. (Edit for clarification) A very quick Google search implies that it means merging. But again, if the issue is "If they ban an individual for ToS, they can just get around it onto a different platform." Which this rule doesn't seem to answer either.
The rule itself, to say it simply "If you're going to multi-stream, don't give other streams preferential treatment over us." Which doesn't mean you can't combine them, it means you can't only stream non-Twitch chats. That seems fair to me. What's the actual issue of merging chats here? The only thing is using a third-party program to do it, which as you said, Twitch can just, do it themselves if they don't want somebody else doing it.
For the love of god can we get aitum vertical an update that lets us pause recordings the way the regular canvas can. It would be such a quality of life upgrade that I can only assume is very doable
Thanks for explanations
I had the exact same idea about making my YT lives members only because I stream different stuff from my main YT content. But I'm weary. When I mentioned it people asked me why I'm going to put my lives behind a paywall. I tried to explain that's not the point and the same streams will be live on Twitch and Kick, but people still didn't like the idea.
Also Social Stream Ninja really rocks for combining chats
The whole multistreaming idea with a member ship reminds me of ltts floatplane almost since I can still watch wan show on twitch or yt so it’s no a paywall.
Thx!
Can't you set up a banned word list on Kick and Twitch? So that way all the toxic people will automatically be filtered out if something offensive is typed? I'd argue then, you are actively moderating each platform's chats efficiently.
Thanks for the video man, great insight!!
enjoy your break
Hey, thanks for all you do Harris. You gave a great suggestion in this video that I am going to try out. I won't say what it is because I don't want to get you in trouble.
Why don't you stream on RUclips then un-list the vod then reupload them on a vod channel. similarly to what the steamer Destiny does
things gonna be lit 🔥💯
Yeah started multi-streaming and not looking back. With my base more on RUclips it helps with watch hours plus people on Twitch can join.
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I think is crazy they allow multi streaming but not combined chats? How do you ensure you include both audiences then? That contradicts their rule lol
This video is so good; it could replace my morning coffee. Pure energy boost
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Started multistreaming as soon as it was a go!
vertical is making my obs not run. any suggestions on how to fix that. ive uninstalled and redownloaded a few times to no avail.
Would you recommend having 2 separate scenes, one for twitch and one for youtube with separate alerts for each platform or just put everything in one scene with both alerts?
So wait...does this apply to alerts on the livestream itself like RUclips super chats, Kick bits, etc on the Twitch platform?
What chat box is that at 5:25 ? Is that a plug in?
I'd like to know too! It looks great!
@senpai What made you start streaming to Kick when you mentioned that there were so many red flags with the service?
Interesting 💯
The 2X!
Just want to point out you can set a membership price for your RUclips stream to whatever you want. I have a membership to a creator who has multiple tiers and I am on the $1 tier.
Is it too soon to say? But have you been seeing good results in multistreaming?
Thank you for everything you have done. Appreciate you man keep up the great work and much love.
Great video
I feel that many still don't see RUclips as a live stream platform. If given a choice, they'll still watch on Twitch if you're live to multiple sites.
I had this idea where like stream labs are streaming elements and pull it a button into like for example like stream labs desktop they should like add a button for like pacific widgets to pop up only Pacific platforms
Starting the new year I will be multistreaming.. Right now I'm too busy (moving) to set everything up the way I like it (yes, I try to be a bit different from others). BUT, I will not be combining chat. WHY.. Well, I stream IRL, I am walking outside or am at a location where i don't have a streamdeck to quickly do/take any actions for bad messages coming from another platform.
I do already have it set up that I can read the Kick & RUclips messages while not at home. If someone has a legit question, I'll read out what it was and answer it. Else, I just ignore it. :D ;)
great video, good info and not a lot of fluff.
I have enough trouble keeping up with one chat let alone two. It feels weird as a viewer since I'm only reading one platform's comments in the chat... the ones on screen have a delay which is annoying and makes it hard to have actual conversations
I'm new to both streaming and multstreaming and was wondering how you monitor all the streams? I've been opening a web page for yourube, twitch and kick stream managers and watching my strams to keep an eye on everything so if one of them stops working I can fix it. I cant find anything about this so I don't know if i need to do that or not. Side note im using obs to stream and not using a restream service
Right I want to get this write but what’s does everyone use for there chat because mines always not working although I’ve linked and everything so what secures does everyone use for there chat
I still don't understand the chat overlay rule. I would think that with how it is now, would be separating the audiences.
Holiday 🧐🧐
I think Harrison is the only person who calls the forwarding bots in chat a horrible experience.
I wonder if he's even experienced them before?
How do I get the overlay on my stream to have an invisible background? Casterlabs doesn’t look like it does that
Does Aitum work with streamlabs obs?
I tried signing up to that tubebuddy thing and it said I didn't have an active channel on that email? Very weird.
This is amazing! ngl. But I have a question. Can be used viceversa? main on yt and the plugin on twitch?
So multistreaming is happening, im not missin anythin?
Kinda hard to believe
Every Video!!!
I really can't see them enforcing the combined chat rule without a TOS violation to go with it to justify it. Even that feels like an excuse to prevent people from promoting other platforms more than it really is a worry about TOS violations.
When I started livestreaming on my YT channel, and left the lives listed as videos, my shorts views have taken a massive hit in view count! I mean going from 3-5k views to less than 100 views and NOT being shown in the shorts feed. Has anyone else noticed this?!
I think that the ruling against a combined chat is due to moderation requirements by app stores and countries. Twitch HAS to moderate their content, and the only way they can moderate Kick chat is by banning the streamer showing said chat.
Question: Since they don't want a combined chat feed on screen... Is there a Multi-Platform chat client available that Will let me Click on any chat message in the program to Display just that message on screen, So all the viewers will know which chatter the streamer is responding to? Kind of like the Twitch "Featured Chat" tool, But Not for Twitch-only....
Someone above said Lumia stream will do the chat overlay. Have you figured out how to use the Aitum tv vertical plugin for streaming? I can’t seem to get the stream to go to RUclips and be anything but vertical
Are you paying Nutty for the cameo??
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I’m confused here though, did something recently change because the ToS for twitch prohibits streaming yo twitch and another major broadcast (RUclips/Facebook/kick). I’m currently a twitch affiliate and don’t want to compromise that, but I’d love to be able to dial steam to RUclips.
Have a bug where my resolution on the vertical streams are messed up since trying multi stressing on horizontal then switching back to vertical. I think I have to reinstall it
Can you recommend a good microphone to use while I stream on obs while playing a game. As far as a webcam, I am going to use a Tiny 2 4k, however, I sit 27” from my triple monitors as I play a racing game, so a mic on a boom would maybe be best, but idk and why I am asking you since you have seen it all, and tried a lot of things.
If someone knows horizontal chat widget that combines all chat then let me know, so far thers only one i would use and i dont think it can combine.
nice one :)
Earlier you advised us not to stream to kick
I don't have a big enough audience for multi streaming but hey, if it messes up engagement and subs, good thing I only stream to YT every now and again.
My viewers are pretty much me with the streams open on different tabs. Lol
Why not just combine chat IN the chat? Viewers aren’t going to read the tiny combined chat on the stream anyways.
Harris, have you experimented with RUclips Shorts streaming? Some of my friends and I are now exclusively streaming to RUclips vertically unless there’s a big event, such as an update or piece of content that is meant to be enjoyed live.
...we can do that??
What plugin are you using for the combined chat? Your plugin looks very good
Legally speaking, you cannot have customers break ToS from another site for sponsorship reasons. You are making a product that utilizes advertising products in exchange for entertainment to fund the servers. The chat mitigation on stream is a provided product with rules for that legal understanding. If you have a problem with it, bring it up with the advertiser policy contracts.
why cant i record the vertical plugin version on slobs
Unfortunately Aitum only has the two canvases. What if you want vertical, twitch and RUclips?
Twitch probably won’t put anything into the multistreaming since they went kicking and screaming just to make it not a violation.
We need a tool that combines all our streams chats in one chat for the streamer to read from, everything i've found doesn't work properly or you gotta have a bunch of chats open just minimized to work into another program
Restream?
@@DorfyBoi Tried it that chat Doesnt work well at all when i got 4 platforms going, & You can only do 2 with free verison
makes no sense to have the stream not available on youtube and open to watch on twitch when its well known that twitch vods have an expiration.
it also makes no sense to leave it on youtube when youtube video and streams are separated on two different pages anyways.
video watchers who dont click on the LIVE page will never see the live stream so why need to hide it for only members on youtube.
do please leave big live stream events public on youtube
Streams show up under subscriptions like all other content.