why would you even post this joke of 'research'? sometimes is better to count your losses than to discredit yourself endorsing such farse as good content. shame
It's way worse in other countries. Especially east asia and England. So that theory doesn't hold water. Rational to think that, but the data doesn't support it.
In my opinion the reason that this stuff will never be solved in America is because solving it requires compassion towards the type of person who would do one of these attacks in order to prevent them from doing it. Mental health interventions that are actually successful and actually help people giving people resources giving people opportunities to express themselves in a positive way is not going to happen in America so America is going to keep winning the prize of not doing those things which is these attacks you can take care of your own people or your own people will behave badly It's pretty obvious
I have to agree. Americans have a hard time thinking in anything other than black and white. I mean everyone does, but our culture and media really inflame it.
I am going to say the root cause is money. There’s too much money to make from making guns to restrict them. Campaign donations ensure politicians are in league with the gun manufacturers or at least won’t oppose them. And the high cost of healthcare contributes to poorer access to mental healthcare
It's wild that people who want small government also advocate for bigger government to protect their beloved guns. Really doesn't take much to see how honest their support of that solution is going to be.
Scott, I loved your comment about the harsh reality of gun violence being is being insulated from the public. There’s billions of dollars of incentive in the movie industry to show rampant violence, and ironically reporting on violence in the real world is dis incentivized. Many of the RUclips channels I watch for news on the war in Ukraine get demonetized. RUclips is taking away incentive for journalists to report the news, and more than that, removing incentive to report just how brutal it is. The fact this Super informative video with a super smart doctor who understands and can communicate a large body of research that should be informing us how to respond to mass shootings, will not contribute financially to your career as a journalist, because the doctor said words like suicide, killing, murder and mass murder is crazy to me. We need intelligent people having intelligent conversations about these topics!! Thanks for the work you did to bring this to your channel!
IT's so true. It's almost impossible to talk about what is happening in Ukraine right now. Or, for that matter, anything actually important. Talking about reality is a great way to get demonetized. It's insane.
I cannot believe that your saying that a very small amount of people are suffering from mental health. Is it possible as these school shootings are often done by teenagers, that they haven't been diagnosed?
In a vast society, regulating cognitive and autonomy to all is unrealistic. I can appreciate the attempt by medical in diagnosing by pointing at the detail that causes the slips, but there are big broad strokes in society failing the community or people that feel like lashing out. Africans have a great proverb for this: “The child pushed out of the village, will come back to burn the village down”
Watch Scott Galloway ted talk America War on Young People. The past 3 terrorist activities and assassins have been young people and I have no doubt why. Per reference the Trump assassin, Healthcare CEO and what recently happened in Wisconsin
@ no one will believe the employment issue until they are the “non-essentials” another lesson from experiencing 2020. We saw all societies shift and change in a moments notice
So youvare a democrate between 40 an 60 .. male lwfthanded with a garage brinking beer and you dont like bowling . Thats why you get this recomandation . Just like me :-)
you commented on this channel 5 months ago so you have seen this channel you probably just forgot about it and it’s not hard to believe that this video would pop up especially when you’ve been looking content in the subject
Ive always thought these shootings were like extreme tantrums. Think of a toddler going on a rampage in a shop and breaking everything because mommy wouldnt buy them a toy.
Narcissists are prone to tantrums. I think there's a correlation because even if mass shooters are looking for suicide by cop, what about the notoriety? Especially when they choose primary schools. Narcissists are not only looking for validation and admiration. They also have sadistic traits and many therapists compare narcissists with arrested development, that is, big babies with no empathy and a god complex. You have a point in there.
I'm glad you did upload this even if it was demonetized. We have got to get the dialog going. There are some, not many young people that have been failed by the adults. The adults aren't as worried about children as they are their pockets.
Times have changed. I graduated HS in the 80s. What we were copying was calling in fake bomb threats to get out of school and drinking syrup of ipecac to stay thin.
I found out last year there was a school shooting in my town the year before. I was pretty surprised until I found out the school shooting happened at 3am in the parking lot and was a drug deal gone bad. Why do these shootings go into the stats?
The interview makes me increasingly curious. Putting a wall around the data is curious. Seeing the data would help to understand how some of the classifications are completed. I would also say that it is good to derive conclusions but it should be done with a greater level of peer review.
So why is the data from this study not publicly available? That right there stinks of manipulation. Science is supposed to be transparent and any data collected should be open to analysis by others not associated with producing the data. Bye Dr. Girgis.
Ray Girgis M.D. : "We shouldn't foster a romanticized version of gun violence" Me : remembering the deep effect the first scene of "Saving Private Ryan" had on my young teenager self, and strongly agreeing!
Yes! It’s a similar thing with drugs. Like, a movie can be a anti-something as it want to be (anti-war, anti-drugs, anti-anything), teenagers in particular (but also adults in varying degrees) WILL romanticize the thing being warned about. I distinctly remember watching „Christiane F“ (a German movie about a young drug addict) as a teen and seeing the scene of the protagonists running from the cops while Bowies „Heroes“ is being played had a very very big impact on me. I started to yearn for that feeling of freedom and looked for it in substances, even tho the end of the movie is supposed to be a warning.
And we need to respect age ratings on media. If a game is rated M, an adult should not buy it for their 12 y/o. If a movie is R, a gaurdian should not bring them into the theater. There is very strong research behind age gating. The argument about media not causing violence is cherry picked from the studies, people who use it usually leave out the age rating factors.
It’s concerning to hear that such an important database isn’t publicly available. Perhaps your next video could explore the broader issue of academics collecting data on critical topics-often funded by grants and access under the guise of advancing public knowledge-only to later gatekeep this information for personal or professional gain. Transparency is key when the aim is truly to further human understanding.
22:30 Disproving the "good guy with a gun" claim by saying that suicide by cop is a "very frequent" way that the shootings end makes no sense to me. Is the claim that it is a motivating factor so police should not have guns? Edit: Also the "60 -percent- (times more frequnetly) occur in gun allowed zones claims" on data that stretches so far back and is also not publicly availble seems spurious. I wonder what the number is in the last decade, and we know that 100 percent of school shootings occur in gun free zones. I also recall a shooter targeting a jewish school stating they passed by one that had security to go to one that did not.
@ronfox5519 Oh yeah, good catch. We can't really assess the claim without the data but my gut tells me that this is because the data is including events not relevant to what is being addressed that skew the result, not necessarily that he is lying. I stopped watching in that section though because the way he reframed the question really rubbed me the wrong way.
The 1st mass shooting was in 1979, Brenda Spencer at Cleveland Elementary School in San Diego County. There were 2 deaths and 9 injured. The Columbine shooting was 20 years later, in 1999.
It goes back farther than that. Check out the the Bath School Disaster of 1927: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster Yeah, not a shooting, but it's the same concept.
The first mass shooting occurred way, way before Brenda Spencer. Columbine is a defining line of the increasingly almost competitive nature of some of the school attacks. This is the more random acts. My industry has been affected in Royal Oak, MI; Owasso, OK; and during my career in 2006 in Goleta, California by Jennifer San Marco. Violence is a constant, motive and methodology change. Mass firearms violence is only slightly younger than repeating firearms.
Definition of terms matters. “Mass shootings” is a problematically over-broad term. When most people hear the term “mass shooting” they imagine a “spree shooting” like Columbine where usually a loan gunman or perhaps a duo engage in a relatively indiscriminate shooting spree with the intent of maximizing fatalities. These may likewise include a circumstance in which a disgruntled employee returns to the workplace with the intent of creating a mass casualty event. Or, it may be a person who enters a shopping center with a particular victim profile in mind based on a particular demographic and the intent of maximizing fatalities. These events, while tragic and dramatic, are relatively rare and far less common than most people believe. These are inherently quite different than a shootout among rival criminal gang members in which there may be collateral damage casualties which occur due to incompetence, negligence or simple indifference by the criminal combatants. Then there are criminal on criminal shootings in which three or more people are killed but in which everyone involved was a criminal combatant. The final category are familicide events in which a family annihilator murders their own family. Each of these types of multiple casualty events are distinctly different sociological phenomenon with different pathologies, different motivations, different outcomes, different legal consequences and which require distinctly different analytical approaches to comprehend and different policy approaches to address. We should probably discontinue the use of the term “mass shootings” to describe these disparate phenomena because it conflates things that shouldn’t be conflated and muddles thinking about how best to approach these issues. But I can’t help but think that the imprecise term “mass shooting” is so ubiquitous precisely because the conflation produces an inflated raw number.
Meanwhile another schoolshooting just happened... I can only recommend also this documentary about guns in Switzerland and the cultural difference between duty and right (or entitlement?): ruclips.net/video/wnBDK-QNZkM/видео.htmlsi=bepqlWRJ6o2U3F-2 It would be nice to make this research publicly available so that the people who still believe in science and data have a deeper understanding of it...and maybe they would be ready to have an open discussion about it or even compromise a very small part of their "freedom". Itˋs worth mentioning that something very similar is apparently happening in China too. They call it "the revenge against society": frustrated men who attack people with knives or even run over them with the car, often targeting schools. I guess reclaiming control, dominance and power is the strongest common denominator, no matter in what country you are...and the radicalization online, especially of young men, just got much worse.
A good example showing that if you ban guns, it just means switching to other weapons. At least with guns allowed, some other civilian can stop the shooter. And potential shooters afraid of that, cause recent shooting are mostly in gun free zones.
In a time where we can define: Dark triad psychology traits. Yet we can do little to change the society which helps groom these situations, it means little to those suffering in it.
This whole conversation could be sunmed up by the question: What if bias had bias? He's so wrong... and a terrible psychiatrist and even worse scientist... military bases have more ppl with severe & complex PTSD who are trained to use firearms. He did NOT CONTROL for this in his methodology... just plain nut. He's also wrong abot the meds issue. Ffs EVEN THE PHARMA companies have admitted this! The reason is that for ppl who are under medicated (aka the majority of ppl on them)... their motivation and energy/impulse to act increases before their mood or ideations DECREASES. THE SCIENCE HER IS SOLID AND ROOTED IN THE MECHANISM OF ACTION. The education system has failed this man and.... yes I'm a scientist and pretty much everyone in my family was a doctor going back generations including a psychiatrist specializing in veterans... who pretty much without fail are on their meds because when they are not titrated to the appropriate dosage they "try killing ppl". More than one pharmacist and gp is responsible for one of these ppl getting violent because of some perceived risk of a drug interaction so they drop the dose in favor of a preventative BUT COMPLETELY UNNECESSARY (usually) metabolic therapy... dinner at my house was like grand rounds on a psych ward... these guys had the best "war" stories... inproper dosing of most ssri's is incredibly DANGEROUS especially if they are bipolar. Media and the internet as sources of "data" for what's effectively psychiatric immunology may be the best we can do as a society but it's liable to create garbage in garbage out situations if not treated more carefully. 1. Bipolar ppl are the ppl using substances... most abuse is SELF MEDICATING 2. TRAUMA DESENSITIZES PPL... realistic depictions of violence are TRAUMATIC... The kind of person who commits these crimes gets an thrill from it. 3. Empathy some people are perfectly empathetic and are violent BECAUSE THEY WANT THEIR VICTIMS TO SUFFER. This shrink needs to spend a few decades giving both talk and medical therapy to a few thousand patients the see what he thinks because he's still wet behind the ears and years behind in the research. Just another "expert" laundering their opinions via their degree. Lots of us have degrees but we don't do this! Appalling and shameful.
Would you say that demonstration shootings are a product of prosperity? Seems like these things don't happen in places where people have real problems. Or maybe it's just that American suburban males are the most likely to be put on ssri's? Is there a parallel between those who commit demonstration crimes and serial killers who seem to be a related demographic(white male)?
@ronfox5519 I actually don't know what you mean, because I can't think of a country where there is "real problems" and not violence. There are plenty of prosperous countries where mass events are not a problem, but if these countries you are thinking of are in wars... well the mass committers are probably in the war or even the ones leading the war or are doing their violence and it's not being covered because there are too many other events to cover. Did the comment about the 2016 study show up or was it hidden?
@Nick_Lamb The post about the study must be hidden. You pretty well described most of the point I was asking. The side of it that you mentioned here is does a rough or violent environment give such people a way to exercise their meanness in a way that stands out less? Or is even beneficial to their group? And the flip side of my question is does the an idle and pampered upbringing lead to an emptiness that festers into nihilism and then leadsa few of those to publicly demonstrate their hatred of everything. Whatever the answer may be, it's hard not to notice that these particular kinds of chuuters mostly come from a very narrow band of our society and so rarely come from the most violent or disadvantaged parts of our society. And also that until recently, serial killers seemed to come from a similar group.
I am veteran and i sit center right and i guess you could call me a diet libertarian. I also have a degree in firearm technology so i think I am qualified to speak on this manner. I liked some aspects of interview. I liked how you guys honned in on suicide. However i have some issues with the interview. First off less than 3 percent of shootings are done with rifles. Scott brought up that he pictures most shootings are done by an ar15 the doctor corrected him and stated that most gun violence is conducted with a "non automatic rifle". An ar15 is not an automatic weapon. You need an NFA permit for something like that and the very expensive. Your AR that you buy from cabelas is never going to be full auto capable unless you make some extensive and illegal modifications to it. Not ONCE did he bring up gang violence. Which is most certainly where the majority of mass shooters takes place. It seems to me that gang culture is responsible for most responsible for gun deaths outside of suicides. According to the FBI there are up to over 3 million defensive gun uses per year that are done lawfully to protect themselves.i would suggest that you interview someone who is very proficient and knowledgeable about guns to understand the opposition. There are solutions to the mass shooting epidemic that would objectively cut down mass shootings significantly without taking guns away from law abiding people who need them.
Not talking about gang violence (and criminal-against-criminal violence, in general) during a discussion about mass shootings reveals a surprising degree of unseriousness and lack of critical thinking.
Thank you for the clarity about the Mental Illness categories. People suffering from MH issues are shown to be more at risk of violence than to use violence. People like to use the idea of 'that sounds beyond comprehension; they must be mentally ill' as a way to label events in a way that doesn't psychologically affect them personally. Part of that is that people think that they can spot the mentally ill and by avoiding them can be safe/keep family safe. The reality - that the majority of horrific violent actions are committed by people with no prior, or later, mental health diagnoses - is too scary to face. We need the baddies to be visible and 'not like us' so that we can pretend to know what is safe. (Eg Stranger danger vs the real stats of child abuse being someone known to them and family). Because psychologically when we feel able to identify danger vs safety then the world feels more navigable. Like the old Westerns - the baddies have one colour hat and and the Good guys a different colour - so everyone can tell who is who. The real world is just too complex and unpredictable to face....
I don't think you can group all mental health together and decide that. Wouldn't it be more to do with whether they have been diagnosed and if they have access to help
24:57 not only does he stumble around saying this, I feel this is disingenuous. Gun free zone means there are NO guns there. As in it is not lawful to openly or concealed carry. The places where you can carry a weapon are VERY limited and rifles are pretty much complete taboo unless you are on a gun range, in your personal vehicle under castle law or at some other location where there is special access or the desert/ woods, etc. Handguns can be carried concealed only in certain places as well, it’s posted on windows for most businesses. If you’re out and about, not going into buildings, it’s generally acceptable to conceal carry and open carry is again is highly limited and regulated. Do you know how this is incredibly obvious? Mr Dr here is clearly not a gun owner, so they are only parroting the data. Few deaths occur at ranges, even people out plinking on some owned land in the woods, it rarely happens. These shooters pick soft targets, which is why they choose schools, churches, shooing markets where people are unaware, unarmed and close together. Fully automated weapons are EXTREMELY regulated and VERY expensive, like $15,000+ dollars plus fingerprints, a locking safe and alerting local police of acquiring the rifle. So the reason why these are chosen is because the law prohibits extremely dangerous weapons and 99% of guns are semi. And of course they are regulated through background checks. If you do a crime, you’re likely not a person of good decision making and you are barred from getting a weapon, it helps and is the first line of regulation. Less guns does not mean less violence, it means the 99.999% of legitimate gun owners are fully compliant, while criminals still operate outside the law, they do not abide and do so covertly because they are knowingly doing illegal activities. What’s the saying about throwing the baby out with the bathwater? Many of these shooters got the weapon from their parents- who knew their kid has a mental health issue and do nothing about it. They should probably put the gun in a safe or sell it if they can’t their child understand control. Majority of these shootings, the people are on or have been on some medication. I’m unsure why this is so hard to understand, no sane person is shooting places up and so many of them had these Rx. Denying this is also disingenuous. Next being the elephant in the room, how many of these shootings are inner city people using handguns? I’d love to see him break down that data, I bet it is higher than the kids in schools. We know the gang bangers and people on drugs dont cars about life and indeed have mental health issues. Just cause they never saw a dr does not mean they are mentally ill. It’s clear we have incredible mental health issues and lack of accountability of the parents, who fail to raise decent children. If you raise them right, they won’t do these things. Think about how many young men play these violent games vs how many play out acts in real life. The number is so incredibly low, same as the number of legal guns in America vs the legal guns being used in acts of terror. The amount of murders through time in the us used with blunt and edged weapons is insane and if you get rid of guns, they will just use physical weapons. Look at the UK stabbings, they can’t even put a stop to that. You cannot stop mentally ill people from committing violence, they are going to find a way unless you open the asylums back up, which I don’t see happening. Another point- suing firearm manufacturers for their product being used in these violent events. That does not solve the problem. Are you going to sue car manufacturers of their cars are used incorrectly? No. The man who ran into a crowd of people, nobody wanted to sue the manufacturer did they? It’s reaching, which is understandable considering what happens, but it’s not the answer. Final point to say that this is indeed becoming a problem when you see female school shooters. The majority have been male, most perps of violent crime and murder are men. So the fact that we are now seeing young women is startling and unprecedented. Be safe out there…
This guy really thinks it's more "videogames bad" than the ostracization of these kids in these schools, and abusive family life. That's what fuels this stuff
38:00 age ratings on media need to be respected, and more strict. A horror movie should not be able to grease some palms or cut a couple small details, to get a PG13, when it is clearly an R. A 10 y/o should not be playing a video game where they're gunning down other humans. And a real-momey gambling game should not be getting a PEGI 3 (all ages) rating and marketed to 8 y/os (FIFA). That's my suggested action we can take. Hold rating boards accountable, don't allow producers/publishers to get away with manipulqting the ratings, and inform guardians of the games their children are playing. Media doesn't cause violence, but it is a factor- one that can be regulated without censorship.
While I am supremely grateful for all the hard work and dedication that has gone into the findings of this doctor, I strongly feel like they are drawing conclusions off of data while vast, that seems by the Drs own talking points all Very incomplete. For example why is early development in the “average perp” not talked about at all?? Oh it’s the guns and the culture… ok, can we get more salient data doctor? Word salad and the fact that he never mentions early dev makes me seriously question this entire study. Like, guys how about instead of stopping at “it’s a hidden bid for self harm” maybe KEEP GOING and ask, well what is common in the early dev of all these perps?? Why did they see this as a best option? What were the circumstances of the lives of the perps? It’s way way WAY too reductive to just parrot the same talking points, without going into finer resolution of your data and methodologies. Please do better ok guys? Thank you for your hard work but please don’t bullshit us with poorly worded incomplete or misleading conclusions.
I believe the notoriety aspect can be narcissistic grandiosity or control driven but can also be a desperate need to be known and seen. Feeling so abandoned, misjudged, unappreciated and betrayed by their fellow man, they want to force them to see and acknowledge them and their suffering; and to pay for it as they feel they have been forced to.
21:43 For the most part AR’s, AK’s and alike sold to the general public are not automatics. The only time I’ve heard of someone using an automatic weapon is in gang related shootings. Hence things like the Glock switch. Come on! If you’re going to talk about guns at least know the difference between automatic vs semi automatic.
Agree on most points. However, smart guns are never going to be widly adopted for the most obvious reasons. Cost, reliability, and potential for data breaches. All good reasons, frankly.
Hmm, doesn't really feel like new info. I mean, I wouldn't have been able to guess these numbers and results, but they aren't surprising. Personally I've always been of the opinion, from a psychological perspective, I think the first society to crack this problem and make safer and more productive societies will be the places and people that unlock the future. Until we can treat mental health and health with not only dignity, but curing the social ills that caused so much mental illness in the first place, until then, were basically just neanderthals with cell phones instead of wooden clubs and fire. Friend of mine is a security guard downtown in a large city, effectively he's outdoor contracted security to literally watch the cars of the hotel clients and maintain presence specifically vs the property of the cars, then general safety. Anyway, he was telling a story that involved a homeless elderly black woman, maybe 70, presumed to have something going on neurologically, he said palsy. She's carrying two shopping bags of stuff, she's relatively bundled up for the cold on the street, but she leans forward to see her feet where she's stepping, and then leans back, almost comically like she's falling, but she's wide staring into the sky, mouth open, and is clearly having some sort of issues as she's shuffling along. The other shift of the security was either making fun of this woman, or otherwise deriding this woman basically for deserving her station in life and being a nuisance to him or to him as a proxy for society. My friend is trying tell the guy, she's not bothering anybody, she's not commiting any crime, she sleeps off the property, doesn't come in to the property, plus she's a human being that clearly has more going on than just homelessness, and it's likely the reason why there's homelessness. Anyway. I just felt that was relevant. Our society doesn't really do the dignity of life and human beings anymore. As soon as there's some arbitrary threshold passed for being unworthy, you are truly worthless. It's a shame. That whole family and tribal unite evolution falls complete short in dealing with mass social cohesion. People are homeless because that's the space we give them in society: none. And there's similar things as you go up the totem pole, so to speak.
The images of children who were injured in the tornado in Moore that hit an elementary school always stuck with me and really cemented the consequences in my mind long term. But I don’t know if that’s the same thing or not
Interesting conversation, most of it seems pretty self evident based on the conversation over the last 20 years (gun laws work, reduced access to guns works, familicide by patriarch being the most common mass murder, mental illness -- if you include suicide/depression which he doesn't seem to - , being a large component of mass shooters). Some criticism; He seems to run in circles in a few places to signal that mental illness is a small element of public mass shootings (including depressed individuals), though this seems counterproductive to his central argument that someone being suicidal is 1/3rd of the profile for most common for mass shooters. Talks about 'emptiness' later and that *not* being related to mental illness. These seem like symptoms of depression or suicidal tendencies or similar, making me suspect that he is relying on public reporting of the shooter having a condition and ignoring whether it's undiagnosed potentially resulting in survivorship biases (this being important if you care about prevention -- maybe make access to psychology support resources much cheaper/easier for example). I think he does this to avoid the stigma that psychology still has from the 20th wrt asylums. When talking about notoriety the talks about differences in body count between guns vs knives. I think that these are opposing ideas. Something that he doesn't address the psychology involved of why the offender chooses one weapon over the other; I think most people think they could tag more people with a gun than a knife (regardless of the facts) -- in this case it would seem that perception is far more important than reality for why someone chooses the weapon. I find it a bit odd when he discusses guns being 'associated' with suicide, which seems like a questionable finding based on the research methodology. I can buy that the idea that this will result in suicide by cop (or once they are low on rounds they will pop themselves), but he seems to be pushing the idea that it's more subtle psychological finding which I don't believe he can uncover with this research method. "Global" database but all of the talking points seem to be US focussed. I have severe doubts about this being truly global based on the ways he is talking (most obviously especially non English, non latin alphabets, places like China where news may be restricted). My suspicion is that they have drawn from US news sources (which is understandable but not representative of what he has claimed). The 60x times more likely for a public mass shooting outside of gun free zone *per capita* seems suspiciously cherry picked. The public mass shootings that all come to mind is Schools, Theatres, Churches. Not that I buy that people target these areas because they are "soft" targets. "Romanaticisation of gun violence is what drives public shooters", I think he is going out on a huge limb here and is not drawing from his own research (this piece atleast). There's quite a lot of research on this and my understanding is that it is pretty much unmeasureable impact (my personal suspicion is that there is some and the shooters will are more succeptible to these influences). I like where Scott goes talking about talking about abstraction allows people to not care (reminds me of James Holmes pumping up the volume to avoid hearing the screams). I would have liked if this idea was extended instead of trying to extend this idea by coding the notoriety that they might get (eg: in Australia relabelling "king hit" with "coward punch") being a potential deterrence.
Gun culture is an issue and cluster B personalities disorders are characterized by emptiness and they are personalities with no mental illness because they know right from wrong. Depressed people are dangerous to themselves. They don't usually commit crimes. They take their own lives, not others. Psychotics and schizoids do get violent towards others. I think he said it because people often blame people with mental illness when most of the people who commit violent crimes are malignant personalities who had some setback they can't resolve without revenge on society.
I appreciate your interview. The next time you interview please let them list out the summaries of what we should do. I felt your questions consistently detailed his thoughts. Next time hold your redirects until after the guest has outlined their points fully.
Here to feed to algorithm. This conversation is so needed, and I’m grateful to the guest for his time, and to you, Scott, for the detailed questions! I’m also very curious about how the Polish cultural relationship to guns will be influenced overtime by the new program that teaches kids to shoot guns as a required course in schools (which I believe came as a preventative, future-forward measure, heavily influenced by Russia’s unjust war against Ukraine).
I think that the school in of itself has a very symbolic aspect in the perpetrator’s mind. The school represents the child’s first conflict over self will outside the family and more often than not conflicts with one’s peers! Those that are narcissistically hurt at home find their existence in society in complicated by the rules of society (the school itself) and the interactional awkwardness amongst one’s peers. Some kids rebel against being told what to do and at the same time fail to learn the social nuances of the interaction with one’s peers and will hold grudges through out their life. They will later blame the school and the students for their failures in life and project their anger upon the school. Thus the school and the students become the scapegoat to be sacrificed on their altar of self. First the parents and family and then the school by proxy.
I think showing injuries would make people even more desensitized. Knowing high school boys would literally search out graphic violence online, I think that might be a worse idea. I’m not sure
The Forever War: Shadow, Soul, and the Call for Transformation Introduction: A War Within and Without Beneath the surface of modern life lies an insidious battle-a Forever War, waged not with conventional weapons but within the psyche and collective consciousness of humanity. This war manifests as fear, anger, hate, ignorance, and insatiable consumption, driven by the shadow aspects of both individuals and societies. This conflict is not just external but internal-unresolved darkness spilling onto streets, communities, and nations, perpetuating cycles of violence and disconnection. In the United States, the statistics are sobering: • 4,055 police officers have died in the line of duty over two decades-more than the 2,456 U.S. military fatalities in Afghanistan during the same time. • Nearly 900,000 lives lost to gun violence in the U.S., a toll greater than any foreign war. This isn’t just a societal crisis-it’s a spiritual emergency. To end the Forever War, we must turn inward, confront the shadow, and integrate the fragmented aspects of ourselves and our world. The Shadow Consciousness: The Roots of the War At the heart of this war lies the shadow-the hidden, denied aspects of ourselves. When unacknowledged, the shadow festers and projects outward, fueling the cycles of fear, hate, and violence we see today. 1. Fear and Division: Fear isolates and deepens divisions, perpetuated by systems that exploit it to maintain control. 2. Anger and Hate: Born of unprocessed wounds, they drive retaliation and oppression. 3. Ignorance: Disconnection from our shared humanity leads to exploitation of nature, others, and ourselves. 4. Insatiable Consumption: A void of spiritual emptiness that no material possession can fill. Jung’s Archetypes and the Path to Healing 1. The Warrior and King: Transform domination into stewardship, protecting balance and justice. 2. The Lover and Priestess: Restore the repressed Feminine archetypes, fostering healing and empathy. 3. The Hero’s Journey: Humanity’s crises are trials demanding individuation-the integration of shadow and light for wholeness. The Path of Transformation 1. Integration of the Shadow: Own and transmute fear, anger, and ignorance through self-awareness. 2. Reconnection with the Sacred: Restore balance in relationships with nature, others, and the cosmos. 3. Embracing New Myths: Let go of stories of domination and endless growth. Embrace connection and reciprocity. Summary: A Call to End the Forever War The Forever War reflects the shadow within us. By confronting it and embracing archetypal wisdom, we can transform fear into courage, hate into love, and disconnection into unity. This is humanity’s Hero’s Journey, calling us to reclaim our sacred nature and restore the balance of life. The question remains: Are we willing to do the work of transformation? The time is now. The song of the soul calls us. Will we have the courage to sing it? This post offers a glimpse into how we can navigate the challenges of today and transform them into opportunities for growth and renewal. Subscribe for more insights on integrating Jungian wisdom, archetypes, and spiritual transformation into our everyday lives. Together, let’s end the Forever War and step into wholeness.
In order to actually address the subject appropriately medicine especially psychology needs to acknowledge the real role of trauma in childhood instead of having to complicate things to such a degree.
I can't believe what a disappointment this talk was for me. Those that work with data professionally will understand this...."garbage in, garbage out". EDIT: I had to come back after hearing the "proclamation" made by the good doctor at the very end that mental health issues are only responsible for a TINY portion of suicide or mass shootings. Between 80-90% of suicides are completed by individuals that are either currently receiving treatment for mental health struggles or have received it within the last 30 days. Since the majority of viewers/readers will not look this up on their own, I will use individual incidents that were highly publicized. The mass shooting that occurred at Columbine were carried out by people that had been receiving care for mental health struggles. The mass shooting in Aurora at the movie theatre was carried out by an individual that was receiving care for mental health struggles. I could go on and on...but that would make me no better than the good doctor in this video. Talk is not accomplishing anything with these problems today. You will be seeing a valid solution soon.
Couple points....one not sure the reason for the sharf but it just kept me thinking you were about to run off to to go carolling. I cringed with the 'emptiness' issue brought up as we certainly know for a large portion of the political right the answer to that is more god, commandments, Christianity forced in schools and society. The empytiness may very well be a result of the fakeness of society and the religion that so easily ignores its principles but the knee jerk reaction will no doubt be more more religion just as the knee jerk reaction to mass murder is more guns. As much as the data base and research into gun violence is needed the fact is many times facts don't matter and we remain in the cycle of misinformation about the facts calling the shots.
First watch of this channel - very impressed with the comparison of different mass killing contexts. Highlighting the familial situations that are overlooked (In Uk that may not involve guns but the experience of 'parent without custody seeking to kill children and themselves' is something we recognise here). The idea of mass shooting perpetrators seeking suicide combined with making a name for themselves; expressing a complex anger at the world around them (and for teens that world around them is likely to focus on schools). Coming from a place where there is no such thing as open or conceal carry permits; where guns can be owned and registered but generally either sports guns held at ranges; or rifles/shotguns for rural eg farming contexts. We have armed police who can be deployed when guns known or suspected to be involved in a situation. But our default is for the police not to carry firearms; tazers yes, but not guns. So 'suicide by cop' is not a guaranteed result (compared to being incapacitated by tazer and living to come before the courts). It also seems to avoid the arms race between offenders and law enforcement. But we have a totally different cultural context to the US where pioneers heading west - away from law enforcers; and needing to be able to give a serious means of defense. Regardless about the question of the validity of manifest destiny and the various rights to dominate the locals - the pioneer/homesteader is a strong cultural image. So I have no idea how US can put the gun back in its holster; but can see how so much of cultural history (from colonies to statehood) ended up being pro-gun. (In UK we have knife violence, and yes guns in gang areas, but we have a history of proto modern policing around the rise of the gun. So regulation and social structure were already in place - compared to the rawness of life in early US. Famously the UK Parliamentary House of Commons has 2 sides facing each other - and the lines in front of each side are deliberately 2 sword lengths apart! To cross the line towards the other during a debate being taken as joining the other side or as treason. [of course these days people can cross the line in coming and going; but the lines exist. And if an MP (Member of Parliament) ever does convert to the opposing party they are described as 'crossing the line'.
@@sgcarney Yeah no bro, this guy is not completely on the level. No data given, bold wide sweeping claims about mental health topics that he seems to “know about” but talks in circles and for those of us who can read and understand the DSM-5 and more. So for those of us who have read up on the topic, this goober throws up major red flags. Just sayen. This guy sounds like a AI clone warrior. I appreciate the great questions but dude was real clown my guy. Super duper sus
It is the first anniversary of the first mass school shooting in my country - the Czech Republic. It shook the whole country. It happened in 2023 right before Christmas. If you want to know more - it was school shooting in Prague Charles University, Faculty of Philosophy. 14 people dead, 25 injured. 21.12.2023 😢🇨🇿
People fell from roof and jumped while trying to escape the shooter. It was the first case where the shooter used a silencer in school shooting. He commited suicide. Before the mass shooting the shooter killed his father cutting his head off with an axe. He was fully stocked up in ammo and ready. He also made a bomb to slow down the police. He wanted to lock down the school and block escape. Thankfully police was faster than him. He was heard while shooting to shout “Now you won’t ignore me anymore”. He wanted to unalive himself because he was also an incel. He radicalized himself with some weird japanese anime. He then went to woods near Prague where he shot a random stranger - a dad with newborn baby who was happily enjoying nature… After a week he commited the mass shooting. Police was alerted when he sent a text message to his “girlfriend” (who rejected him) that he wants to unalive himself. He then went to school where he started shooting. The police was already in the area searching for him but they only knew that he wanted to unalive and not shoot everyone. It is shocking case and our country is generally the most safe country in the EU.
A very sad video that came out a few years ago by Abacaba compares police shootings in the US to England. "Police Killings in the US and the UK, 2009-2020". It's a moving graphic based on Wikipedia data.
I take some issue with his use of "mentally ill" he needs to be very specific then and define EXACTLY what he means medically by the term. Because a mass killer is hardly not mentally ill in some way. I'm guessing he means things specifically like schizo effective disorders and the like.
I don’t understand why YT doesn’t allow the words you talked about. I do agree that people watch movies and everything is sanitized. No one sees the injuries or blood and flesh. It’s just bang, bang and they keel over.
Are you sure that this isn't a way of playing down the whole access to guns wouldn't make that much difference. I live in the UK and we don't have as many school shooting. Is it because we dont have access to guns.
I am only six minutes in. It us important that the victims are not stats, however the details about a victims circumstances may help prevent future victims. My heart friggan' goes out . Isnt this kind of research vitally important, and for the sake of solid research, shouldnt ot be open? I understand the need and want to shepherd something so impactful. Would an opener, considered approach be more conducive? (I am just a rando on the 'net, and above all TY!!)
Its sad that this doctor is being given a platform at all. Being in healthcare for my entire 30 plus years in the workforce I can tell you that words are extremely important. what a word is defined is by the speaker and the recevier of the information is paramount to accurate transmission of information. This doctor is mixing mass shootings, mass killing, etc. in his information and it isn't accurate because of that reason alone. When you see 600-800 mass shootings a year it is because the definition is three or more people shot. It's not necessary for anyone to die to have a mass shooting. It is the number one reason for people being wounded by gunfire. It is also one of the leading causes of death from firearms. Most mass shootings are by gang members in the inner city. If you want to lower gun violence in America its really quite simple...all gun violence is a federal crime. if you commit a felony with a firearm you get life in prison, period. If you've committed three misdemeanors with a firearm you get life in prison, period. That would severely cut down gun violence. You aren't going to stop suicide. No one is concerned about gun control because of suicide. They're concerned about gun violence because they don't want to be shot and potentially killed.
@@DANsRPathetictyrants and dictators will rise, but people here wants to be slave by making society to be stupid. And they want to Government to be nanny states to raised their irresponsible parenting.
Insanity being the result of doing the same thing repeatedly expecting different results is not an Einstein quote. I first heard it in that context, and I thought it was pretty good until I had a shadow of a doubt that Einstein would say something like that. Something along the lines of psychiatry not being Einstein's lane. While I only have ever had a mostly superficial knowledge of Einstein, I felt stupidly righteously vindicated to find out that he never said that.
While there is a lot of good info in this video there’s also several factual inaccuracies including the one you’ve pointed out. He also goes on to claim that medications have no link to triggering aggression and homocidal ideation in people and that’s flat out not true. Especially when the FDA has to include it as a side effect in the prescribing info of many of these meds.
The American narcissism and its superior attitude you spoke of about. I would like to consider the difference from Europe. Consider in Europe you can can get on a train or bus and be in multiple countries in one day. But go to the USA and we are separated by these two oceans. And I didn't even include the Asian influence. We like to isolate ourselves it seams. What do you think?
Thanks for addressing the issue head-on. It has always been frustrating to watch it distilled down to one thing or another. This is a complex sociological issue. People definitely kill people. That needs addressing. But if assault rifles are being increasingly used in impulsive and dangerous way, then yeah, theyre going to have to be restricted and that restriction has to be relative to local population density, AT LEAST. Sure, the government controlling access has some ethical quandaries. But so does every uncomfortable choice. Our ethical concerns also cant keep up with modern technology like assault rifles--whole other can of worms. But we dont hand out nukes on the street. (We fight to restrict the use of it for EVERYONE, including our govt) I think EVERYONE should be able to agree on this at minumum: It's obvious that we need to treat the problem at the source, and people should not be walking around with concealed carry or automatic weapons in places like NYC, as an exteme example of urban density. Everyone should at least be able to agree on that
No mention of what is perhaps obvious- vast majority of perpetrators are male. What does that mean? Also little comparison of USA and Canada. Culturally similar with very different gun laws. We have mass murders in Canada of course, but different patterns
RIP any hope of monetary profits from this video. Great job, though. FYI this channel and video found me so that says something to the algorithm bc i never viewed your channel before.
I'm commenting early in the video, but I'm pretty sure in areas where guns aren't as accessible there are mass stabbings, etc instead. Guns I think do make it more likely to easily harm more ppl, though. But we did have bombers for a while, too.
Einstein’s statement about insanity being doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result is flawed as anyone knows who has broken up a large slab of concrete.
Not sure how you say removing guns would work given in every country I've ever looked at the number of mass murders never changed the ones using guns did.
@@sgcarney Mostly just collating the statistics before and after gun control. less shooting yes but the instances of mass murder didn't stop heck the rate didn't change either. Crime statistics are rather interesting in that America is pretty uniquely violent in the industrialized world and has been since it's founding. We can point to japan Australia and the UK as safer but that was true a century ago as well.
semi automatic tec-9 are not "machine pistols" - can i already see where this is going? we're already bull shitting the viewers? not to jump to conclusions, but in the U.S., "accidentally" misrepresenting firearms via feigned or real ignorance is exactly the tactic that idealogues use to infringe on the rights of other people. There are honest ways of dealing with things.
@sgcarney we won't if you don't want to, but they do that in this country too freak people out and get them emotional. it's a good way to alienate some of your audience. i didn't hear anything offensive though. i didn't watch all of it. the opening couple of lines just coincidentally aligned with common deceptive shit we see the mainstream media doing. i admit, the show wasn't very political in general. i can accept you honestly didn't know the Columbine kids were shooting a legal tec9. saying machine pistol makes makes people think it was fully automatic like you can just get stuff like that anywhere when you're 15 years old. it can easily be misconstrued as a dishonest attempt to misrepresent everything rather than an honest mistake. so i apologize.
@@sgcarney it's all right. i don't delete my comments even if they're embarrassing, but if you'd rather not have it in your comments or whatever, say so.
I haven‘t factchecked the number but I read that about 30% of people are born without empathy. When these people are not helped through early life, pictures of dead bodies might not make the impression on them that you think they should have. And sensitive people get traumatized by the pictures. I personally believe that pictures of dead people or harmed people no matter in what context shouldn’t be shown. Before the Internet, there was no way to get a hold on these kind of pictures. And I guess that no one ever thought that we have to see these pictures to educate people on the outcomes of using firearms. We live in times of romanticizing violence. We can’t turn the dial back on that. Dialing it up won’t help either.
I think we need a body of knowledge that is required of US citizens. Of course, we could never agree on what that body of knowledge would consist of, but for me it would consist of this video.
The one thing that ties these shooters together is they have no girlfriend, and their home life is a mess. This young lady who murdered 2 people in Madison had a terrible home life and no boyfriend or girlfriend.
I look forward to listening to this when I get time. I was literally just looking at a book that is apparently banned in most libraries called "People kill people". Unfortunately lawmakers and politicians miss logical thought entirely when it comes to guns
I wish it was easy to stop. People love their freedom of speech, they never think of the harm it can cause. Just because you have a right, doesn't mean you should always use it.
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why would you even post this joke of 'research'? sometimes is better to count your losses than to discredit yourself endorsing such farse as good content. shame
American culture of allowing bullying in schools and workplaces could contribute to the higher rates.
Other way around. Growing up aware of schools shooters, some of us tried to get on the outcasts' good side just to be safe
@PerryScanlon As schools have had "zero tolerance" bullying policies, the rate has increased (edit: of these mass events).
It's way worse in other countries. Especially east asia and England. So that theory doesn't hold water. Rational to think that, but the data doesn't support it.
@@Nick_Lamb written policies don't really mean much when the principal and culture allow it de facto.
@ghostratsarah I'm curious why you believe it's worse in those places.
In my opinion the reason that this stuff will never be solved in America is because solving it requires compassion towards the type of person who would do one of these attacks in order to prevent them from doing it. Mental health interventions that are actually successful and actually help people giving people resources giving people opportunities to express themselves in a positive way is not going to happen in America so America is going to keep winning the prize of not doing those things which is these attacks you can take care of your own people or your own people will behave badly It's pretty obvious
I have to agree. Americans have a hard time thinking in anything other than black and white. I mean everyone does, but our culture and media really inflame it.
Also health insurance
Oh yes, I have been saying this all my life.
I am going to say the root cause is money. There’s too much money to make from making guns to restrict them. Campaign donations ensure politicians are in league with the gun manufacturers or at least won’t oppose them. And the high cost of healthcare contributes to poorer access to mental healthcare
It's wild that people who want small government also advocate for bigger government to protect their beloved guns. Really doesn't take much to see how honest their support of that solution is going to be.
Scott, I loved your comment about the harsh reality of gun violence being is being insulated from the public. There’s billions of dollars of incentive in the movie industry to show rampant violence, and ironically reporting on violence in the real world is dis incentivized. Many of the RUclips channels I watch for news on the war in Ukraine get demonetized. RUclips is taking away incentive for journalists to report the news, and more than that, removing incentive to report just how brutal it is.
The fact this Super informative video with a super smart doctor who understands and can communicate a large body of research that should be informing us how to respond to mass shootings, will not contribute financially to your career as a journalist, because the doctor said words like suicide, killing, murder and mass murder is crazy to me. We need intelligent people having intelligent conversations about these topics!!
Thanks for the work you did to bring this to your channel!
IT's so true. It's almost impossible to talk about what is happening in Ukraine right now. Or, for that matter, anything actually important. Talking about reality is a great way to get demonetized. It's insane.
2A for all 🇺🇸
I cannot believe that your saying that a very small amount of people are suffering from mental health. Is it possible as these school shootings are often done by teenagers, that they haven't been diagnosed?
In a vast society, regulating cognitive and autonomy to all is unrealistic. I can appreciate the attempt by medical in diagnosing by pointing at the detail that causes the slips, but there are big broad strokes in society failing the community or people that feel like lashing out.
Africans have a great proverb for this:
“The child pushed out of the village, will come back to burn the village down”
Watch Scott Galloway ted talk America War on Young People. The past 3 terrorist activities and assassins have been young people and I have no doubt why. Per reference the Trump assassin, Healthcare CEO and what recently happened in Wisconsin
@@AlManango I have been trying to warn people considering work I've done with my rage that's been repressed by this collective stupidity.
@ no one will believe the employment issue until they are the “non-essentials” another lesson from experiencing 2020. We saw all societies shift and change in a moments notice
RUclips recommended this video and I've never seen this channel before. It showed up while looking for the school shooting in Madison.
So youvare a democrate between 40 an 60 .. male lwfthanded with a garage brinking beer and you dont like bowling . Thats why you get this recomandation . Just like me :-)
you commented on this channel 5 months ago so you have seen this channel you probably just forgot about it and it’s not hard to believe that this video would pop up especially when you’ve been looking content in the subject
Ive always thought these shootings were like extreme tantrums. Think of a toddler going on a rampage in a shop and breaking everything because mommy wouldnt buy them a toy.
Narcissists are prone to tantrums. I think there's a correlation because even if mass shooters are looking for suicide by cop, what about the notoriety?
Especially when they choose primary schools. Narcissists are not only looking for validation and admiration. They also have sadistic traits and many therapists compare narcissists with arrested development, that is, big babies with no empathy and a god complex.
You have a point in there.
I'm glad you did upload this even if it was demonetized. We have got to get the dialog going. There are some, not many young people that have been failed by the adults. The adults aren't as worried about children as they are their pockets.
Times have changed. I graduated HS in the 80s. What we were copying was calling in fake bomb threats to get out of school and drinking syrup of ipecac to stay thin.
I found out last year there was a school shooting in my town the year before. I was pretty surprised until I found out the school shooting happened at 3am in the parking lot and was a drug deal gone bad. Why do these shootings go into the stats?
Here it is, they're lumping all different types of shootings together and calling them the same thing.
The interview makes me increasingly curious. Putting a wall around the data is curious. Seeing the data would help to understand how some of the classifications are completed. I would also say that it is good to derive conclusions but it should be done with a greater level of peer review.
So why is the data from this study not publicly available? That right there stinks of manipulation. Science is supposed to be transparent and any data collected should be open to analysis by others not associated with producing the data. Bye Dr. Girgis.
Ray Girgis M.D. : "We shouldn't foster a romanticized version of gun violence"
Me : remembering the deep effect the first scene of "Saving Private Ryan" had on my young teenager self, and strongly agreeing!
Yes! It’s a similar thing with drugs. Like, a movie can be a anti-something as it want to be (anti-war, anti-drugs, anti-anything), teenagers in particular (but also adults in varying degrees) WILL romanticize the thing being warned about. I distinctly remember watching „Christiane F“ (a German movie about a young drug addict) as a teen and seeing the scene of the protagonists running from the cops while Bowies „Heroes“ is being played had a very very big impact on me. I started to yearn for that feeling of freedom and looked for it in substances, even tho the end of the movie is supposed to be a warning.
And we need to respect age ratings on media. If a game is rated M, an adult should not buy it for their 12 y/o. If a movie is R, a gaurdian should not bring them into the theater. There is very strong research behind age gating. The argument about media not causing violence is cherry picked from the studies, people who use it usually leave out the age rating factors.
A great talk . Thanks for not being enslaved to the algorithm
It’s concerning to hear that such an important database isn’t publicly available.
Perhaps your next video could explore the broader issue of academics collecting data on critical topics-often funded by grants and access under the guise of advancing public knowledge-only to later gatekeep this information for personal or professional gain. Transparency is key when the aim is truly to further human understanding.
Perhaps the data was done so they can sell it to the gun lobbists.
So if it's not mental health and it's not connected to access to guns????
Why not allow this database to be made public? The gatekeeper needs to control the narrative of the findings?
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Disproving the "good guy with a gun" claim by saying that suicide by cop is a "very frequent" way that the shootings end makes no sense to me. Is the claim that it is a motivating factor so police should not have guns?
Edit: Also the "60 -percent- (times more frequnetly) occur in gun allowed zones claims" on data that stretches so far back and is also not publicly availble seems spurious. I wonder what the number is in the last decade, and we know that 100 percent of school shootings occur in gun free zones. I also recall a shooter targeting a jewish school stating they passed by one that had security to go to one that did not.
He said 60 times, not 60percent. Which makes the statement even harder to believe.
@ronfox5519 Oh yeah, good catch. We can't really assess the claim without the data but my gut tells me that this is because the data is including events not relevant to what is being addressed that skew the result, not necessarily that he is lying. I stopped watching in that section though because the way he reframed the question really rubbed me the wrong way.
The 1st mass shooting was in 1979, Brenda Spencer at Cleveland Elementary School in San Diego County. There were 2 deaths and 9 injured.
The Columbine shooting was 20 years later, in 1999.
It goes back farther than that. Check out the the Bath School Disaster of 1927: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster Yeah, not a shooting, but it's the same concept.
Research the song by The Boomtown Rats, I Don't Like Mondays.
1776 is the first recorded school shooting in the USA and had them and mass shootings in the 1800s 1900s and 2000s
The first mass shooting occurred way, way before Brenda Spencer. Columbine is a defining line of the increasingly almost competitive nature of some of the school attacks. This is the more random acts. My industry has been affected in Royal Oak, MI; Owasso, OK; and during my career in 2006 in Goleta, California by Jennifer San Marco. Violence is a constant, motive and methodology change. Mass firearms violence is only slightly younger than repeating firearms.
@ferguson8143 I didn't know that, but I remembered the Boomtown Rats song "I Hate Mondays" about Spenser.
Definition of terms matters. “Mass shootings” is a problematically over-broad term. When most people hear the term “mass shooting” they imagine a “spree shooting” like Columbine where usually a loan gunman or perhaps a duo engage in a relatively indiscriminate shooting spree with the intent of maximizing fatalities. These may likewise include a circumstance in which a disgruntled employee returns to the workplace with the intent of creating a mass casualty event. Or, it may be a person who enters a shopping center with a particular victim profile in mind based on a particular demographic and the intent of maximizing fatalities. These events, while tragic and dramatic, are relatively rare and far less common than most people believe. These are inherently quite different than a shootout among rival criminal gang members in which there may be collateral damage casualties which occur due to incompetence, negligence or simple indifference by the criminal combatants. Then there are criminal on criminal shootings in which three or more people are killed but in which everyone involved was a criminal combatant. The final category are familicide events in which a family annihilator murders their own family. Each of these types of multiple casualty events are distinctly different sociological phenomenon with different pathologies, different motivations, different outcomes, different legal consequences and which require distinctly different analytical approaches to comprehend and different policy approaches to address. We should probably discontinue the use of the term “mass shootings” to describe these disparate phenomena because it conflates things that shouldn’t be conflated and muddles thinking about how best to approach these issues. But I can’t help but think that the imprecise term “mass shooting” is so ubiquitous precisely because the conflation produces an inflated raw number.
Meanwhile another schoolshooting just happened...
I can only recommend also this documentary about guns in Switzerland and the cultural difference between duty and right (or entitlement?): ruclips.net/video/wnBDK-QNZkM/видео.htmlsi=bepqlWRJ6o2U3F-2
It would be nice to make this research publicly available so that the people who still believe in science and data have a deeper understanding of it...and maybe they would be ready to have an open discussion about it or even compromise a very small part of their "freedom".
Itˋs worth mentioning that something very similar is apparently happening in China too. They call it "the revenge against society": frustrated men who attack people with knives or even run over them with the car, often targeting schools. I guess reclaiming control, dominance and power is the strongest common denominator, no matter in what country you are...and the radicalization online, especially of young men, just got much worse.
A good example showing that if you ban guns, it just means switching to other weapons. At least with guns allowed, some other civilian can stop the shooter. And potential shooters afraid of that, cause recent shooting are mostly in gun free zones.
In a time where we can define: Dark triad psychology traits. Yet we can do little to change the society which helps groom these situations, it means little to those suffering in it.
Looking forward to the discussion.
This whole conversation could be sunmed up by the question: What if bias had bias?
He's so wrong... and a terrible psychiatrist and even worse scientist... military bases have more ppl with severe & complex PTSD who are trained to use firearms. He did NOT CONTROL for this in his methodology... just plain nut. He's also wrong abot the meds issue. Ffs EVEN THE PHARMA companies have admitted this! The reason is that for ppl who are under medicated (aka the majority of ppl on them)... their motivation and energy/impulse to act increases before their mood or ideations DECREASES. THE SCIENCE HER IS SOLID AND ROOTED IN THE MECHANISM OF ACTION. The education system has failed this man and.... yes I'm a scientist and pretty much everyone in my family was a doctor going back generations including a psychiatrist specializing in veterans... who pretty much without fail are on their meds because when they are not titrated to the appropriate dosage they "try killing ppl". More than one pharmacist and gp is responsible for one of these ppl getting violent because of some perceived risk of a drug interaction so they drop the dose in favor of a preventative BUT COMPLETELY UNNECESSARY (usually) metabolic therapy... dinner at my house was like grand rounds on a psych ward... these guys had the best "war" stories... inproper dosing of most ssri's is incredibly DANGEROUS especially if they are bipolar.
Media and the internet as sources of "data" for what's effectively psychiatric immunology may be the best we can do as a society but it's liable to create garbage in garbage out situations if not treated more carefully.
1. Bipolar ppl are the ppl using substances... most abuse is SELF MEDICATING
2. TRAUMA DESENSITIZES PPL... realistic depictions of violence are TRAUMATIC... The kind of person who commits these crimes gets an thrill from it.
3. Empathy some people are perfectly empathetic and are violent BECAUSE THEY WANT THEIR VICTIMS TO SUFFER.
This shrink needs to spend a few decades giving both talk and medical therapy to a few thousand patients the see what he thinks because he's still wet behind the ears and years behind in the research.
Just another "expert" laundering their opinions via their degree. Lots of us have degrees but we don't do this! Appalling and shameful.
Would you say that demonstration shootings are a product of prosperity?
Seems like these things don't happen in places where people have real problems.
Or maybe it's just that American suburban males are the most likely to be put on ssri's?
Is there a parallel between those who commit demonstration crimes and serial killers who seem to be a related demographic(white male)?
@@ronfox5519 What do you think of when you think of a place where the people have "real problems"?
@@Nick_Lamb
You know what I mean.
The realities of life from war and starvation to work and poverty.
@ronfox5519 I actually don't know what you mean, because I can't think of a country where there is "real problems" and not violence. There are plenty of prosperous countries where mass events are not a problem, but if these countries you are thinking of are in wars... well the mass committers are probably in the war or even the ones leading the war or are doing their violence and it's not being covered because there are too many other events to cover.
Did the comment about the 2016 study show up or was it hidden?
@Nick_Lamb
The post about the study must be hidden.
You pretty well described most of the point I was asking.
The side of it that you mentioned here is does a rough or violent environment give such people a way to exercise their meanness in a way that stands out less? Or is even beneficial to their group?
And the flip side of my question is does the an idle and pampered upbringing lead to an emptiness that festers into nihilism and then leadsa few of those to publicly demonstrate their hatred of everything.
Whatever the answer may be, it's hard not to notice that these particular kinds of chuuters mostly come from a very narrow band of our society and so rarely come from the most violent or disadvantaged parts of our society. And also that until recently, serial killers seemed to come from a similar group.
There's so much wrong here, specially with the whole "grandiose narcissism" but "no mental ilness".
No wonder the data is hidden.
Exactly
@fiercemonkey1 at least I heard a different viewpoint that is still half-way to decent.
It could be polished and not be a polished turd.
I am veteran and i sit center right and i guess you could call me a diet libertarian. I also have a degree in firearm technology so i think I am qualified to speak on this manner.
I liked some aspects of interview. I liked how you guys honned in on suicide. However i have some issues with the interview.
First off less than 3 percent of shootings are done with rifles. Scott brought up that he pictures most shootings are done by an ar15 the doctor corrected him and stated that most gun violence is conducted with a "non automatic rifle". An ar15 is not an automatic weapon. You need an NFA permit for something like that and the very expensive. Your AR that you buy from cabelas is never going to be full auto capable unless you make some extensive and illegal modifications to it.
Not ONCE did he bring up gang violence. Which is most certainly where the majority of mass shooters takes place. It seems to me that gang culture is responsible for most responsible for gun deaths outside of suicides. According to the FBI there are up to over 3 million defensive gun uses per year that are done lawfully to protect themselves.i would suggest that you interview someone who is very proficient and knowledgeable about guns to understand the opposition. There are solutions to the mass shooting epidemic that would objectively cut down mass shootings significantly without taking guns away from law abiding people who need them.
Interesting about gang violence. Do you have some stats you can share?
@@sgcarney are you deleting my responses?
Not talking about gang violence (and criminal-against-criminal violence, in general) during a discussion about mass shootings reveals a surprising degree of unseriousness and lack of critical thinking.
Nice conversation; it would be great to access to the data.
Thank you for the clarity about the Mental Illness categories. People suffering from MH issues are shown to be more at risk of violence than to use violence.
People like to use the idea of 'that sounds beyond comprehension; they must be mentally ill' as a way to label events in a way that doesn't psychologically affect them personally. Part of that is that people think that they can spot the mentally ill and by avoiding them can be safe/keep family safe.
The reality - that the majority of horrific violent actions are committed by people with no prior, or later, mental health diagnoses - is too scary to face. We need the baddies to be visible and 'not like us' so that we can pretend to know what is safe. (Eg Stranger danger vs the real stats of child abuse being someone known to them and family).
Because psychologically when we feel able to identify danger vs safety then the world feels more navigable. Like the old Westerns - the baddies have one colour hat and and the Good guys a different colour - so everyone can tell who is who. The real world is just too complex and unpredictable to face....
I don't think you can group all mental health together and decide that. Wouldn't it be more to do with whether they have been diagnosed and if they have access to help
What's the link between emotional abuse and gun violence?
24:57 not only does he stumble around saying this, I feel this is disingenuous. Gun free zone means there are NO guns there. As in it is not lawful to openly or concealed carry. The places where you can carry a weapon are VERY limited and rifles are pretty much complete taboo unless you are on a gun range, in your personal vehicle under castle law or at some other location where there is special access or the desert/ woods, etc. Handguns can be carried concealed only in certain places as well, it’s posted on windows for most businesses. If you’re out and about, not going into buildings, it’s generally acceptable to conceal carry and open carry is again is highly limited and regulated. Do you know how this is incredibly obvious? Mr Dr here is clearly not a gun owner, so they are only parroting the data. Few deaths occur at ranges, even people out plinking on some owned land in the woods, it rarely happens.
These shooters pick soft targets, which is why they choose schools, churches, shooing markets where people are unaware, unarmed and close together.
Fully automated weapons are EXTREMELY regulated and VERY expensive, like $15,000+ dollars plus fingerprints, a locking safe and alerting local police of acquiring the rifle. So the reason why these are chosen is because the law prohibits extremely dangerous weapons and 99% of guns are semi. And of course they are regulated through background checks. If you do a crime, you’re likely not a person of good decision making and you are barred from getting a weapon, it helps and is the first line of regulation.
Less guns does not mean less violence, it means the 99.999% of legitimate gun owners are fully compliant, while criminals still operate outside the law, they do not abide and do so covertly because they are knowingly doing illegal activities. What’s the saying about throwing the baby out with the bathwater?
Many of these shooters got the weapon from their parents- who knew their kid has a mental health issue and do nothing about it. They should probably put the gun in a safe or sell it if they can’t their child understand control. Majority of these shootings, the people are on or have been on some medication. I’m unsure why this is so hard to understand, no sane person is shooting places up and so many of them had these Rx. Denying this is also disingenuous.
Next being the elephant in the room, how many of these shootings are inner city people using handguns? I’d love to see him break down that data, I bet it is higher than the kids in schools. We know the gang bangers and people on drugs dont cars about life and indeed have mental health issues. Just cause they never saw a dr does not mean they are mentally ill.
It’s clear we have incredible mental health issues and lack of accountability of the parents, who fail to raise decent children. If you raise them right, they won’t do these things. Think about how many young men play these violent games vs how many play out acts in real life. The number is so incredibly low, same as the number of legal guns in America vs the legal guns being used in acts of terror. The amount of murders through time in the us used with blunt and edged weapons is insane and if you get rid of guns, they will just use physical weapons. Look at the UK stabbings, they can’t even put a stop to that. You cannot stop mentally ill people from committing violence, they are going to find a way unless you open the asylums back up, which I don’t see happening.
Another point- suing firearm manufacturers for their product being used in these violent events. That does not solve the problem. Are you going to sue car manufacturers of their cars are used incorrectly? No. The man who ran into a crowd of people, nobody wanted to sue the manufacturer did they? It’s reaching, which is understandable considering what happens, but it’s not the answer.
Final point to say that this is indeed becoming a problem when you see female school shooters. The majority have been male, most perps of violent crime and murder are men. So the fact that we are now seeing young women is startling and unprecedented. Be safe out there…
This guy really thinks it's more "videogames bad" than the ostracization of these kids in these schools, and abusive family life. That's what fuels this stuff
"Data" from the media? Huh. Right.
This is your best video so far. Thanks.
Thanks for watching!
2:25 less guns don’t equal more safe
Sadly this discussion skirts around directly confronting the existence of a violent urban underclass.
38:00 age ratings on media need to be respected, and more strict. A horror movie should not be able to grease some palms or cut a couple small details, to get a PG13, when it is clearly an R. A 10 y/o should not be playing a video game where they're gunning down other humans. And a real-momey gambling game should not be getting a PEGI 3 (all ages) rating and marketed to 8 y/os (FIFA).
That's my suggested action we can take. Hold rating boards accountable, don't allow producers/publishers to get away with manipulqting the ratings, and inform guardians of the games their children are playing.
Media doesn't cause violence, but it is a factor- one that can be regulated without censorship.
While I am supremely grateful for all the hard work and dedication that has gone into the findings of this doctor, I strongly feel like they are drawing conclusions off of data while vast, that seems by the Drs own talking points all Very incomplete. For example why is early development in the “average perp” not talked about at all?? Oh it’s the guns and the culture… ok, can we get more salient data doctor? Word salad and the fact that he never mentions early dev makes me seriously question this entire study. Like, guys how about instead of stopping at “it’s a hidden bid for self harm” maybe KEEP GOING and ask, well what is common in the early dev of all these perps?? Why did they see this as a best option? What were the circumstances of the lives of the perps? It’s way way WAY too reductive to just parrot the same talking points, without going into finer resolution of your data and methodologies. Please do better ok guys? Thank you for your hard work but please don’t bullshit us with poorly worded incomplete or misleading conclusions.
I believe the notoriety aspect can be narcissistic grandiosity or control driven but can also be a desperate need to be known and seen. Feeling so abandoned, misjudged, unappreciated and betrayed by their fellow man, they want to force them to see and acknowledge them and their suffering; and to pay for it as they feel they have been forced to.
Yes, marginalised. As he said I think there was more violence in real life before, but we didn't have mass shootings
21:43
For the most part AR’s, AK’s and alike sold to the general public are not automatics.
The only time I’ve heard of someone using an automatic weapon is in gang related shootings. Hence things like the Glock switch.
Come on! If you’re going to talk about guns at least know the difference between automatic vs semi automatic.
naming is just imprecise. I hear "automatic" commonly refer to both fully-autmatic and semi-automatic.
Agree on most points. However, smart guns are never going to be widly adopted for the most obvious reasons. Cost, reliability, and potential for data breaches. All good reasons, frankly.
Hmm, doesn't really feel like new info. I mean, I wouldn't have been able to guess these numbers and results, but they aren't surprising.
Personally I've always been of the opinion, from a psychological perspective, I think the first society to crack this problem and make safer and more productive societies will be the places and people that unlock the future. Until we can treat mental health and health with not only dignity, but curing the social ills that caused so much mental illness in the first place, until then, were basically just neanderthals with cell phones instead of wooden clubs and fire.
Friend of mine is a security guard downtown in a large city, effectively he's outdoor contracted security to literally watch the cars of the hotel clients and maintain presence specifically vs the property of the cars, then general safety. Anyway, he was telling a story that involved a homeless elderly black woman, maybe 70, presumed to have something going on neurologically, he said palsy. She's carrying two shopping bags of stuff, she's relatively bundled up for the cold on the street, but she leans forward to see her feet where she's stepping, and then leans back, almost comically like she's falling, but she's wide staring into the sky, mouth open, and is clearly having some sort of issues as she's shuffling along. The other shift of the security was either making fun of this woman, or otherwise deriding this woman basically for deserving her station in life and being a nuisance to him or to him as a proxy for society. My friend is trying tell the guy, she's not bothering anybody, she's not commiting any crime, she sleeps off the property, doesn't come in to the property, plus she's a human being that clearly has more going on than just homelessness, and it's likely the reason why there's homelessness.
Anyway. I just felt that was relevant. Our society doesn't really do the dignity of life and human beings anymore. As soon as there's some arbitrary threshold passed for being unworthy, you are truly worthless. It's a shame. That whole family and tribal unite evolution falls complete short in dealing with mass social cohesion. People are homeless because that's the space we give them in society: none. And there's similar things as you go up the totem pole, so to speak.
Good work guys. Thank you.
This feels pretty intuitive reasoning honestly.
Thank you both. Really interesting.
Yt having a hard time to find fitting ads.
Thank you for this video.
The images of children who were injured in the tornado in Moore that hit an elementary school always stuck with me and really cemented the consequences in my mind long term. But I don’t know if that’s the same thing or not
Interesting conversation, most of it seems pretty self evident based on the conversation over the last 20 years (gun laws work, reduced access to guns works, familicide by patriarch being the most common mass murder, mental illness -- if you include suicide/depression which he doesn't seem to - , being a large component of mass shooters).
Some criticism;
He seems to run in circles in a few places to signal that mental illness is a small element of public mass shootings (including depressed individuals), though this seems counterproductive to his central argument that someone being suicidal is 1/3rd of the profile for most common for mass shooters. Talks about 'emptiness' later and that *not* being related to mental illness. These seem like symptoms of depression or suicidal tendencies or similar, making me suspect that he is relying on public reporting of the shooter having a condition and ignoring whether it's undiagnosed potentially resulting in survivorship biases (this being important if you care about prevention -- maybe make access to psychology support resources much cheaper/easier for example). I think he does this to avoid the stigma that psychology still has from the 20th wrt asylums.
When talking about notoriety the talks about differences in body count between guns vs knives. I think that these are opposing ideas. Something that he doesn't address the psychology involved of why the offender chooses one weapon over the other; I think most people think they could tag more people with a gun than a knife (regardless of the facts) -- in this case it would seem that perception is far more important than reality for why someone chooses the weapon.
I find it a bit odd when he discusses guns being 'associated' with suicide, which seems like a questionable finding based on the research methodology. I can buy that the idea that this will result in suicide by cop (or once they are low on rounds they will pop themselves), but he seems to be pushing the idea that it's more subtle psychological finding which I don't believe he can uncover with this research method.
"Global" database but all of the talking points seem to be US focussed. I have severe doubts about this being truly global based on the ways he is talking (most obviously especially non English, non latin alphabets, places like China where news may be restricted). My suspicion is that they have drawn from US news sources (which is understandable but not representative of what he has claimed).
The 60x times more likely for a public mass shooting outside of gun free zone *per capita* seems suspiciously cherry picked. The public mass shootings that all come to mind is Schools, Theatres, Churches. Not that I buy that people target these areas because they are "soft" targets.
"Romanaticisation of gun violence is what drives public shooters", I think he is going out on a huge limb here and is not drawing from his own research (this piece atleast). There's quite a lot of research on this and my understanding is that it is pretty much unmeasureable impact (my personal suspicion is that there is some and the shooters will are more succeptible to these influences).
I like where Scott goes talking about talking about abstraction allows people to not care (reminds me of James Holmes pumping up the volume to avoid hearing the screams). I would have liked if this idea was extended instead of trying to extend this idea by coding the notoriety that they might get (eg: in Australia relabelling "king hit" with "coward punch") being a potential deterrence.
Gun culture is an issue and cluster B personalities disorders are characterized by emptiness and they are personalities with no mental illness because they know right from wrong. Depressed people are dangerous to themselves. They don't usually commit crimes. They take their own lives, not others. Psychotics and schizoids do get violent towards others.
I think he said it because people often blame people with mental illness when most of the people who commit violent crimes are malignant personalities who had some setback they can't resolve without revenge on society.
I appreciate your interview. The next time you interview please let them list out the summaries of what we should do. I felt your questions consistently detailed his thoughts. Next time hold your redirects until after the guest has outlined their points fully.
Here to feed to algorithm. This conversation is so needed, and I’m grateful to the guest for his time, and to you, Scott, for the detailed questions!
I’m also very curious about how the Polish cultural relationship to guns will be influenced overtime by the new program that teaches kids to shoot guns as a required course in schools (which I believe came as a preventative, future-forward measure, heavily influenced by Russia’s unjust war against Ukraine).
I think that the school in of itself has a very symbolic aspect in the perpetrator’s mind. The school represents the child’s first conflict over self will outside the family and more often than not conflicts with one’s peers! Those that are narcissistically hurt at home find their existence in society in complicated by the rules of society (the school itself) and the interactional awkwardness amongst one’s peers. Some kids rebel against being told what to do and at the same time fail to learn the social nuances of the interaction with one’s peers and will hold grudges through out their life. They will later blame the school and the students for their failures in life and project their anger upon the school. Thus the school and the students become the scapegoat to be sacrificed on their altar of self. First the parents and family and then the school by proxy.
I think showing injuries would make people even more desensitized. Knowing high school boys would literally search out graphic violence online, I think that might be a worse idea. I’m not sure
Damn ! Scott you have some really fascinating people on your show .
Thanks.
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In order to actually address the subject appropriately medicine especially psychology needs to acknowledge the real role of trauma in childhood instead of having to complicate things to such a degree.
What’s with the scarf?
I can't believe what a disappointment this talk was for me. Those that work with data professionally will understand this...."garbage in, garbage out". EDIT: I had to come back after hearing the "proclamation" made by the good doctor at the very end that mental health issues are only responsible for a TINY portion of suicide or mass shootings. Between 80-90% of suicides are completed by individuals that are either currently receiving treatment for mental health struggles or have received it within the last 30 days. Since the majority of viewers/readers will not look this up on their own, I will use individual incidents that were highly publicized. The mass shooting that occurred at Columbine were carried out by people that had been receiving care for mental health struggles. The mass shooting in Aurora at the movie theatre was carried out by an individual that was receiving care for mental health struggles. I could go on and on...but that would make me no better than the good doctor in this video. Talk is not accomplishing anything with these problems today. You will be seeing a valid solution soon.
I agree. Do I dare say this is a set up to sell this data to the gun lobbies
I agree!
Couple points....one not sure the reason for the sharf but it just kept me thinking you were about to run off to to go carolling.
I cringed with the 'emptiness' issue brought up as we certainly know for a large portion of the political right the answer to that is more god, commandments, Christianity forced in schools and society. The empytiness may very well be a result of the fakeness of society and the religion that so easily ignores its principles but the knee jerk reaction will no doubt be more more religion just as the knee jerk reaction to mass murder is more guns. As much as the data base and research into gun violence is needed the fact is many times facts don't matter and we remain in the cycle of misinformation about the facts calling the shots.
First watch of this channel - very impressed with the comparison of different mass killing contexts. Highlighting the familial situations that are overlooked (In Uk that may not involve guns but the experience of 'parent without custody seeking to kill children and themselves' is something we recognise here).
The idea of mass shooting perpetrators seeking suicide combined with making a name for themselves; expressing a complex anger at the world around them (and for teens that world around them is likely to focus on schools).
Coming from a place where there is no such thing as open or conceal carry permits; where guns can be owned and registered but generally either sports guns held at ranges; or rifles/shotguns for rural eg farming contexts. We have armed police who can be deployed when guns known or suspected to be involved in a situation. But our default is for the police not to carry firearms; tazers yes, but not guns. So 'suicide by cop' is not a guaranteed result (compared to being incapacitated by tazer and living to come before the courts). It also seems to avoid the arms race between offenders and law enforcement. But we have a totally different cultural context to the US where pioneers heading west - away from law enforcers; and needing to be able to give a serious means of defense. Regardless about the question of the validity of manifest destiny and the various rights to dominate the locals - the pioneer/homesteader is a strong cultural image.
So I have no idea how US can put the gun back in its holster; but can see how so much of cultural history (from colonies to statehood) ended up being pro-gun.
(In UK we have knife violence, and yes guns in gang areas, but we have a history of proto modern policing around the rise of the gun. So regulation and social structure were already in place - compared to the rawness of life in early US. Famously the UK Parliamentary House of Commons has 2 sides facing each other - and the lines in front of each side are deliberately 2 sword lengths apart! To cross the line towards the other during a debate being taken as joining the other side or as treason. [of course these days people can cross the line in coming and going; but the lines exist. And if an MP (Member of Parliament) ever does convert to the opposing party they are described as 'crossing the line'.
Idk.. seems to be clown-world level data from a source we cannot access...
Clown level comment.
@@sgcarney Yeah no bro, this guy is not completely on the level. No data given, bold wide sweeping claims about mental health topics that he seems to “know about” but talks in circles and for those of us who can read and understand the DSM-5 and more. So for those of us who have read up on the topic, this goober throws up major red flags. Just sayen. This guy sounds like a AI clone warrior. I appreciate the great questions but dude was real clown my guy. Super duper sus
"I'll show them."; "They'll remember me.".
It is the first anniversary of the first mass school shooting in my country - the Czech Republic. It shook the whole country. It happened in 2023 right before Christmas. If you want to know more - it was school shooting in Prague Charles University, Faculty of Philosophy. 14 people dead, 25 injured. 21.12.2023 😢🇨🇿
People fell from roof and jumped while trying to escape the shooter. It was the first case where the shooter used a silencer in school shooting. He commited suicide. Before the mass shooting the shooter killed his father cutting his head off with an axe. He was fully stocked up in ammo and ready. He also made a bomb to slow down the police. He wanted to lock down the school and block escape. Thankfully police was faster than him. He was heard while shooting to shout “Now you won’t ignore me anymore”. He wanted to unalive himself because he was also an incel. He radicalized himself with some weird japanese anime. He then went to woods near Prague where he shot a random stranger - a dad with newborn baby who was happily enjoying nature… After a week he commited the mass shooting. Police was alerted when he sent a text message to his “girlfriend” (who rejected him) that he wants to unalive himself. He then went to school where he started shooting. The police was already in the area searching for him but they only knew that he wanted to unalive and not shoot everyone. It is shocking case and our country is generally the most safe country in the EU.
A very sad video that came out a few years ago by Abacaba compares police shootings in the US to England.
"Police Killings in the US and the UK, 2009-2020". It's a moving graphic based on Wikipedia data.
I take some issue with his use of "mentally ill" he needs to be very specific then and define EXACTLY what he means medically by the term. Because a mass killer is hardly not mentally ill in some way. I'm guessing he means things specifically like schizo effective disorders and the like.
I agree, perhaps undiagnosed, or untreated. And certainly no access to treatment.
I don’t understand why YT doesn’t allow the words you talked about. I do agree that people watch movies and everything is sanitized. No one sees the injuries or blood and flesh. It’s just bang, bang and they keel over.
Are you sure that this isn't a way of playing down the whole access to guns wouldn't make that much difference. I live in the UK and we don't have as many school shooting. Is it because we dont have access to guns.
Only an American would say this
26:31 I don’t know if the coronation is strong when most places in the U.S. are not gun free zones.
24:49 - 28:00 ............... uh what?
I am only six minutes in. It us important that the victims are not stats, however the details about a victims circumstances may help prevent future victims. My heart friggan' goes out . Isnt this kind of research vitally important, and for the sake of solid research, shouldnt ot be open? I understand the need and want to shepherd something so impactful. Would an opener, considered approach be more conducive? (I am just a rando on the 'net, and above all TY!!)
Email him and he will likely give you access.
The real question is, how do you create mass shewterz by using advanced technology & surveillance?
Its sad that this doctor is being given a platform at all. Being in healthcare for my entire 30 plus years in the workforce I can tell you that words are extremely important. what a word is defined is by the speaker and the recevier of the information is paramount to accurate transmission of information. This doctor is mixing mass shootings, mass killing, etc. in his information and it isn't accurate because of that reason alone. When you see 600-800 mass shootings a year it is because the definition is three or more people shot. It's not necessary for anyone to die to have a mass shooting. It is the number one reason for people being wounded by gunfire. It is also one of the leading causes of death from firearms. Most mass shootings are by gang members in the inner city. If you want to lower gun violence in America its really quite simple...all gun violence is a federal crime. if you commit a felony with a firearm you get life in prison, period. If you've committed three misdemeanors with a firearm you get life in prison, period. That would severely cut down gun violence. You aren't going to stop suicide. No one is concerned about gun control because of suicide. They're concerned about gun violence because they don't want to be shot and potentially killed.
How about banning guns.
@ how about do some research on history of the planet and what happens to them after they disarm the population.
@@DANsRPathetictyrants and dictators will rise, but people here wants to be slave by making society to be stupid. And they want to Government to be nanny states to raised their irresponsible parenting.
Insanity being the result of doing the same thing repeatedly expecting different results is not an Einstein quote. I first heard it in that context, and I thought it was pretty good until I had a shadow of a doubt that Einstein would say something like that. Something along the lines of psychiatry not being Einstein's lane. While I only have ever had a mostly superficial knowledge of Einstein, I felt stupidly righteously vindicated to find out that he never said that.
While there is a lot of good info in this video there’s also several factual inaccuracies including the one you’ve pointed out.
He also goes on to claim that medications have no link to triggering aggression and homocidal ideation in people and that’s flat out not true. Especially when the FDA has to include it as a side effect in the prescribing info of many of these meds.
The American narcissism and its superior attitude you spoke of about. I would like to consider the difference from Europe.
Consider in Europe you can can get on a train or bus and be in multiple countries in one day. But go to the USA and we are separated by these two oceans. And I didn't even include the Asian influence. We like to isolate ourselves it seams. What do you think?
Very informative!
Thanks for addressing the issue head-on. It has always been frustrating to watch it distilled down to one thing or another. This is a complex sociological issue. People definitely kill people. That needs addressing. But if assault rifles are being increasingly used in impulsive and dangerous way, then yeah, theyre going to have to be restricted and that restriction has to be relative to local population density, AT LEAST. Sure, the government controlling access has some ethical quandaries. But so does every uncomfortable choice. Our ethical concerns also cant keep up with modern technology like assault rifles--whole other can of worms. But we dont hand out nukes on the street. (We fight to restrict the use of it for EVERYONE, including our govt)
I think EVERYONE should be able to agree on this at minumum: It's obvious that we need to treat the problem at the source, and people should not be walking around with concealed carry or automatic weapons in places like NYC, as an exteme example of urban density. Everyone should at least be able to agree on that
This was a really interesting interview!! Thanks!
"If there were no guns, there would be no shootings" -- person making obvious observation
"AND if there were no bullets" -- this video
No mention of what is perhaps obvious- vast majority of perpetrators are male. What does that mean? Also little comparison of USA and Canada. Culturally similar with very different gun laws. We have mass murders in Canada of course, but different patterns
RIP any hope of monetary profits from this video. Great job, though. FYI this channel and video found me so that says something to the algorithm bc i never viewed your channel before.
Interesting enough, this video somehow is still monetized. Might be because I put that warning at the beginning.
It sounds like you gave it more thought than the doctors who did the study!
I'm commenting early in the video, but I'm pretty sure in areas where guns aren't as accessible there are mass stabbings, etc instead. Guns I think do make it more likely to easily harm more ppl, though. But we did have bombers for a while, too.
Would this also be an example of Erostratus Syndrome?
Einstein’s statement about insanity being doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result is flawed as anyone knows who has broken up a large slab of concrete.
What did JD Mandel say about these? Something like "they're just a fact of life," wasn't it?
Move along, and watch the story about the one tomorrow.
There's no point here.
Not sure how you say removing guns would work given in every country I've ever looked at the number of mass murders never changed the ones using guns did.
What method did you use? And did ragy say what you think he did?
@@sgcarney Mostly just collating the statistics before and after gun control. less shooting yes but the instances of mass murder didn't stop heck the rate didn't change either. Crime statistics are rather interesting in that America is pretty uniquely violent in the industrialized world and has been since it's founding. We can point to japan Australia and the UK as safer but that was true a century ago as well.
semi automatic tec-9 are not "machine pistols" - can i already see where this is going? we're already bull shitting the viewers? not to jump to conclusions, but in the U.S., "accidentally" misrepresenting firearms via feigned or real ignorance is exactly the tactic that idealogues use to infringe on the rights of other people. There are honest ways of dealing with things.
Where exactly were we debating the classification of the Tec-9, again?
@sgcarney we won't if you don't want to, but they do that in this country too freak people out and get them emotional. it's a good way to alienate some of your audience. i didn't hear anything offensive though. i didn't watch all of it. the opening couple of lines just coincidentally aligned with common deceptive shit we see the mainstream media doing. i admit, the show wasn't very political in general. i can accept you honestly didn't know the Columbine kids were shooting a legal tec9. saying machine pistol makes makes people think it was fully automatic like you can just get stuff like that anywhere when you're 15 years old. it can easily be misconstrued as a dishonest attempt to misrepresent everything rather than an honest mistake. so i apologize.
Accepted. Thanks.
@@sgcarney it's all right. i don't delete my comments even if they're embarrassing, but if you'd rather not have it in your comments or whatever, say so.
I haven‘t factchecked the number but I read that about 30% of people are born without empathy. When these people are not helped through early life, pictures of dead bodies might not make the impression on them that you think they should have. And sensitive people get traumatized by the pictures.
I personally believe that pictures of dead people or harmed people no matter in what context shouldn’t be shown. Before the Internet, there was no way to get a hold on these kind of pictures. And I guess that no one ever thought that we have to see these pictures to educate people on the outcomes of using firearms.
We live in times of romanticizing violence. We can’t turn the dial back on that. Dialing it up won’t help either.
As a socialist, I am 100% in favor of liberalized gun laws. I stand with Karl Marx in saying that the working class must never be disarmed.
We are already disarmed, we just haven't realised it. Brian Thompson wasn't holding a gun.
this guy has some great raised eyebrow game.
Also, what wasnt addressed is terrorism. Surely they would be the majority. Urm sonething not right with your findings.
how about metal detectors?
What a fantastic video, this is the type of video that needs 1b views, not flipping Gangnam style or Taylor Swift.
I think we need a body of knowledge that is required of US citizens. Of course, we could never agree on what that body of knowledge would consist of, but for me it would consist of this video.
28:08 Poor phrasing :D
The one thing that ties these shooters together is they have no girlfriend, and their home life is a mess. This young lady who murdered 2 people in Madison had a terrible home life and no boyfriend or girlfriend.
Hey nothing wrong with being single. This why the data is skewed, infilicide doesn't fit into that category.
I look forward to listening to this when I get time. I was literally just looking at a book that is apparently banned in most libraries called "People kill people".
Unfortunately lawmakers and politicians miss logical thought entirely when it comes to guns
Interviewing child victims (of school events or others) and airing their video interviews online is heinous and should be illegal. 😢
I wish it was easy to stop. People love their freedom of speech, they never think of the harm it can cause. Just because you have a right, doesn't mean you should always use it.
They’re pulling their data from reliable media sources like NBC, ABC and CNN! 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Wound 4chan be better?
@ I was thinking more like the Enquirer