Why do so many meditators want to silence this Neuroscientist?
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- Опубликовано: 3 янв 2024
- When Willoughby Britton set out to study the potential negative side effects of meditation she never expected that the community would want to hound her out of her job. But that's what happened after her study on the "Varieties of Contemplative Experience" came out and she documented how one out of every ten people who start meditating have a clinically significant negative side effects. Now she has a folder with 5000 threats from people all around the world who want to stop her from reporting the truth.
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Agree, his zealotry detracts from the conversation.
YaH shal'OM beloved meshpaca
In my own travels, and research, I've recovered from the mental Insanity...
It took me years to become functional enough, to self analyze & work on the solution to my instability.
What I discovered rather recovered from study, and experience is the missing pieces. I've come to the conclusion knowledge of the TRUE CREATOR is a must. YHUH aka 🔯 is the sound source. And tho the sigNATURE 🔯 is used in the meditation systems, He is not recognized as he needs to be known.
Lost keys 🗝️ playlist 👊 RUclips
As concerns the Bible Biblios Biblia while these are NON-SCRIPTURAL. They are also ENCIPHERED PRECEPTS. In the formation of fables on the surface. The system is simply complex! However, one needs the key 🗝️ to unlock it.. LORD = YHWH THE FOR/4 POWER WORDS.... There are 4 Eras, represented therein. Tho, the hidden one, is alluded to, yet hidden. That's The king∆om of Yahu∆ah
What SCRIPTURE,
{YHWH within 6,823x} teaches. 6th book Yahu'shua HELLinized as Joshua, 8,23-♾️5-Grace, October 23 ⚖️ 🦂♏ 🐉 yr, The fall harvest is in, and the flocks are in the fields as written.
1 Kings 12:11
And now whereas my Father did laden you with a heavy yoke, I will add to your yoke: my Father hath CHASTISED you with whips, but I will chastise you with SCORPIONS🦂♏.👀
Colossians 4:11
“And Yahu'shua, which is called JUSTUS ⚖️, who are of the circumcision.
Read: Luke 2:8, Yahu'shua 23:8,
MatithYahu, ObedYahu, Yashayahu, Lamentations = {oyl🪔} & ZacharYahu= Remember YaHU'aH🔯
Vs
Religions .....NON-SCRIPTURAL fables & Idolatry
Whatever your religion, what knowledge and intelligence does it teach? Compare!
Yahu∆im ArchiTechTons teach;
The Shemetic/Khemetic/Yaphethic - King Yahu'shua and the 12 Yahu∆im ELect elders of the King∆om of YaHU∆aH 2 {{Chronicles 7:14}, gave them technology, Astronomy, Arithmetic, Astrology, Art, Geometry, Biology, physics, Metallurgy ⚛️ phonetics, cymatics, {seed of gr8 elder Yapheth}, Khemistry, Alkhemy & herbology {seed of great elder Khem}, Knowle∆ge 🔺, Wis∆om🔻, & intelligence, Ode of Solomon 38🧐! The key to immortality: Obey YaHU'aH's🔯13 COMMANDs {kNEW COVENANT -10 on Sapphire tablets, 🟦🟦10 + 3 Oral💜}, & 42 Statutes,🟩🟩🟩Emerald tablets}, the {tetYHUHgrammarten} & Star tetYHUHhedron🔯 = Father sigNATURE, YaHU'aH's Salvation, King Yahu'shua, beloved namesake & the MessiYah, Queen MariYahm; Wis∆om & the Breath of YaH, {RuAnkh Yah'Qodesh 💜}! The cELestial clock & Shabbat - As the Gamma rAY's are highest at ∆awn 🌅, on the day of the full moon🌕, we praise YaH, and Ohm chant, facing East, eyes closed, looking into the rising sun. This activates our shockYahs, & pineal gland! They gave us the ∆alath {∆oor, built to honor YaHU'aH 🔯, Yashayahu 19:29-20}, {note also, King Yahu'shua is also called the🔺Door, & the stone ∆ the builders rejected!🤔}, the symbol of the Lion of YaHu∆aH, {Sphinx}! Moreso the ∆aleth called piYHUHmids or piYaHmi∆ {π🔯mid - forms the star tetYAHedron thru sonic implosion}, Yashayahu 19:19-20, keys of YahNock aka Enoch, & letter of Barnabas 16 chapter ✅, and the great NAME & Qodesh Title of The Most High YaHU'aH AllaH aYnu Aleph TaU = Supreme Eternal Sovereign Creator, Almighty Merciful King of all, beginning and ending! The Truth of YAhbre' Scripture, YaHs prophecies, and the historical timeline of the 4 ERAs! They taught the next dimension above? Is as below, (the current one you're in), and that S.E.X., {SowEL Energy Xchange, a gift from YaH}, is between a male ♂️ and female♀️! That life is transmitted from the most high, YaHU'aH's mouth, ( MatithYahu 4:4, Gen 2:7, YaH's living WORDs spoKIN - you are your NAME🧐), into a man! And given a body, akin to a tadpole, a semen. We swim the great race, run by 1 billionfold! Yea, the strongest survive, to win the prize, betwixt a woman's thighs, the egg inside! And the growing of the vessEL, (formed around the living Word of YaH, your name), grows in perfect geometry indicating YaHs sigNATURE as the flower of life, (🔯)! See the heartbeat 💓🔯 cymatic of a baby {Fetus}!!!!!
Timeline
According to
Historical events
& Fulfilled
Prophecies
Pluto marker 🔮
Note sigNATURE of YaH🔯👆
In Geometry 🔯⚛️
2 Esdras 5:24
“And of all lands of the whole world thou hast chosen thee one pit: and of all the flowers thereof, one Lillie🔯.”
MatithYahu 6:28-29 Gift of YaHU'aH🔯
28 And why take ye thought for raiment? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin:
29 And yet I say unto you, That even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these.
As in the many flowers of the field, the Lilly, Iris, tulip and mulberry, peppers, and many more. All display, Father's Great sigNATURE🔯, in flower form.
Psalms 91:4
He shall cover thee with his feathers, and under his wings shalt thou trust: YaHU'aHs🔯TRUTH shall be thy shield and buckler. As King David did, {rather ∆au∆}, placed YaHs sign, on his shield🔯, buckler🔯, & breastplate🔯
Ayob 38:2 words with knowledge
As with all beautiful words spoKIN, even eternity, TRUTH, Harmony, Love, and Joy, so each Mandelbrot forms🔯around this sigNATURE🔯 cymatic tone. And no matter how many times, each word is written or spoken, the cymatic image of each, tho unique, still remain in the same form🔯. See Dr. Emoto Masuro & Prof. Luc Montagnier.
Ayob 38:22
“Hast thou entered into the treasures of the SNOW ❄️? or hast thou seen the treasures of the hail❄️? As the tears, (RAIN}, of the heavenly hosts fall, through the cold & snowflakes ❄️ are formed, in accordance to their praises, HalleluYah 🔯💜 Yashayahu 55:10-11
Genesis 2:7
And YaHU'aH AllahAYnu formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life🔯......YaH🔯 SPEAKS; EL yoU Cee, EL oM into MoLeCule's, & formation of seMaN! WE Swim to the womb, as Atoms ⚛️ form as 2 SowEL's collide, into DNA 🧬 , by which all cells are made & multiply! Having united, 2 married in2, 1 new sowel, for the making of a zygote, new NaMes, in human form. And the cymatic heartbeat of a FetUS🔯639 hertz, another sown Eloheim, 2 be born, as 1, a marriage & unbreakable bond!
Marriage = baby🍼! YeremiYahu 1:5
As in the Ancient Covenant Elders Yahu∆ah, which are called by YaH🔯's Great name. Yahu∆ah = YaHU'aHs🔯,🔺 ∆oor, of IMMORTALITY. The π🔯mi∆!
Sonic implosion creates the star tetYAHedron🔯 when speaKING: YaHUaHs Great NAME.
In all the above, what do we see? Fathers sigNATURE🔯 is how everything is KINnected 💜, tested, known & proven!
Go Look, know & see!
1 King∆om
2 sons/Nations
Father YaHU'aH has chosen the
2nd Son
1st born AbraYam 2nd born
|__________
Yshmael Y'saac
|
Esau Ya'acob
|
Aaron Moshe'
Ephraim Yahu∆ah
Y'srael North🕎 🔯YahuDah South
YeremiYahu 3:7 2Edras 2:10
Divorced❄️ ☀️Yarushalom
Caucasian Asian American African
| Black
Arab.............. Algonquin ___ _Negro
| Colored
| |
Y'srael & |----------------|--------Yahudah
EsAU Asian Khem----------| |
Ephraim |
Greek Babylonian |
Roman Herodian ___|
Idumeans ----| Sephardim___|_Spain
Roman Judeans ---| ^ ^ |
Cretins-Christians Jew ? ?
Egyptian Indian•Bharat
Read 1 Kings 12:11, YashaYahu 5:8-30 & YeremiYahu 17th chptr & 25:1-9,1st Enoch - Chapter 92:9-10, Luke 21:20-24,Amos 8:11 Lamentations, YeremiYahu 7 chapter, ZacharYahu 14:3, Joel 3, Amos 3:13-15🦉🗝️🔯🐝🔯Obed♾️YaHU🔯💜💚
King Yahu'shua came to:
1. Give the people Father's Great NAME.. YaHU'aH & sigNATURE 🔯
2. To remind the people of the COVENANT 🟦 🟦 🟩 🟩 🟩 and it's SowEL transforming purpose.
3. To bring life, more abundant ergo the state of being immortal🔯⚛️🧬, by ingesting the Eternal Word, YHUH🔯, and therefore, vibrating in eternal, love, truth, honesty, loyalty, .....
This is via process ...
Yahucannon 10:10
10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I AM COME THAT THEY MIGHT HAVE LIFE, and that they might HAVE IT MORE ABUNDANTLY
ObedYahu🔯 YeremiYahu 25th🔯 Laminations, Yashayahu 5th&6th🔯ZacharYahu14:3forward🔯Joel 3🔯💜🟦🟦🟩🟩🟩
Baruch🔯YaHU'aH🔯, Shema King Yahu'shua🔺💜🔯 YaRuShal'Om🐝
On YaH🔯s Shabbat 🎵
We shall'OM🐝🎵
Qe∆em Yam🟢🎵
At ∆awn🌅🎵
Lam🔴, Vam🟠 Ram🟡🎶🎶🎶
Yam🟢 Ham🌀 Ohm🔵 Aum🟣🎶🎶🎵
LuV💜YaHO'A🔯s🔯🎵⚛️
COVENANT🟦🔯🟦♾️🎵🎵🔯
Hallelu YaH🔯,🎵
Hallelu YaHU'aH🔯🔯🎵
Kum by YaH🔯🎵
Kum by YaHU'aH🔯🔯🎵
YaHU'aH🔯🔯Rules Shall'OM🐝🎵🎶
Hallelu YaHU'aH🔯🔯🎵
On YaH🔯s Shabbat🎵
We shall'OM🐝🎵🎶
YashaYahu 56:4-7 🎁 of YaHU'aH🔯💜
4 For thus saith YaHU'aH unto the EUNUCHS that keep my SHABBATH, and CHOOSE the things that PLEASE ME, and TAKE HOLD of my COVENANT🟦🟦; 5 Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off. 6 Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to YaHU'aH🔯 to serve him, and to💜 LOVE the GREAT NAME of YaHU'aH🔯, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the Shabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my COVENANT🟦🟦;
7 Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an HOUSE OF PRAYER FOR
ALL PEOPLE
1 Yahucannon 5:2-3
By this we know that we love the children of YaHU'aH🔯, when we love Abba and keep His COMMANDMENTS 🟦🟦. For this is the love of YaHU'aH, that we keep His COMMANDMENTS 🟦🟦. And His COMMANDMENTS 🟦🟦 are not burdensome.
Psalms 19:7
“The COMMANDs🟦🟦 of YaHU'aH is perfect, CONVERTING the SOUL:
Mark 2:28 -Therefore 👑🔯Yahu'shua🔺 is Lord also of the SHABBAT.
1st, ~ 4th Asareth Ya*∆ibrot🟦🟦
1. 🔯
2. 🌑🌕
3. 🌗🔯🌓 YHWH 🔯 Exo 3:15
4. 🌕🌑🌕🌑 SHABBAT🔺 4+3 =7
🌕🌗🌑🌓🌕
Qe∆em Yam🙏🌄🧘
Yahucannon 14:15
"If you LOVE Me, keep My COMMANDMENTS🟦🟦.
Thank you there are goood ppl to defend someone, life is fucking hell, if we don't realize we are one mind of nature we will suffer forever all atrocities! OVER AND OVER AGAIN!
It would be amazing if you could interview Hamilton Souther from Blue Morpho.
I started meditating every morning for 15 or 20 minutes and it changed my life for the better so much that I can't even put it in words. I quit smoking, took better care of myself, love my family and others more, earned more money, eat healthier, more self-respect, better quality work, etc etc etc
⚠️what type of meditation??
Good for your friend. It sounds like your developed a greater alignment with Self. 🙏
I believe you over this click bait talk most likely sponsored by big pharma
Meditation is satanic leads to possession
@@marrero667 I got my start with candle meditation. I'd just light a candle and gaze at it. As time went on I tried other things - observing my thoughts - breathing and body awareness - confronting insecurities or bad memories - visualization and imagination - and just plain relaxing y'all. This is my go to nowadays, I just close my eyes and relax!
I think the reason why there hasn’t been a huge upsurge of positive compassionate behavior resulting from meditation practice is because the foundational practices of ethics, morality, gratitude, forgiveness, and compassion is not made a priority for most people engaging in meditation. This base focus is so critical for the overall health of the meditator. To go all the way requires mental, physical, and emotional stability.
I agree. The secular meditation movement divorced the spiritual and ethical aspects from the meditation practice and this is a *very* incomplete picture.
Fine comment. I lost interest in new age thinking when I realised how pretentious, fake, woke and pseudoscientific it is in the West. I respect people whose cultures are built on those teachings but not the Westerners using the work of D. Lama, E. Tolle, Sadhguru etc. as a fashion accessory. Talk to new agers and find out how loving, earth-conserving and ego-less they really are. You may soon be disappointed.
First lay a foundation, then build the house.
@@tommybinson Please don't use that hackneyed word, "woke" - what do you even mean by that word? So sick of trendy language that means nothing.
@@joymattson8549 yes, it’s a couch all phrase even though I have used the term also myself but I’m very very particular about using that word and defining it as far as what it actually means for a certain aspect of group or people nonetheless people are innocent.
I have an adage: "if something's strong enough to have beneficial effects, it's strong enough to have side effects".
spoken like a true prodigy 👌
Your adage was inferred a long time ago by a dude that goes by the name of Plato. He coined the concept of Pharmakon, which is one of the core concepts of a very interesting philosophical development put together by a very nice guy that used to go by the name of Bernard Stiegler, paix à son âme…
Or outright advertise effects.
@@RingOfRae Sounds homeopathic to me...But, what do I know?
this is a good addage you have
good enough to just say this and not say anything else i would want to say
Im sorry, im keeping it. your welcome.
The way of ascent is descent. If you don't face your monsters, you become a monster. True meditation is all about confronting your own dark-side/shadow and integrating it in a healthy way. In some circles, this has always been common knowledge.
This was how I learned of meditation, in the late 90's as a teen. Like this is still urgent news for those who don't know or are unaware, but seems like there is a lot of shock and awe about it now.
Like an offense to being left in the dark about something they got intimately involved in, yet didn't uncover all of the ins and outs before becoming fully immersed, and their assumptions of it all being good were shockingly tried and challenged, as they always were going to be had they been instructed accurately.
It's like going to a psychologist and expecting to never discuss anything traumatic, then getting furioisly mad, and resentful when crap comes up in a session. 😅 like what did you expect? Oh, that enlightenment is all rainbows and butterflies. That assumption, is ridiculous to me, though I can see why people might make assumptions like they may do before anything they will experience.
Click bait titles - I bet there aren't really any meditators who want to kill a scientist due to what her findings suggest about meditation. Time wasting title, suggests I shouldn't waste anymore time on it.
I did continue listening. There are some valid points made and I think I will write a blog and share the concerns and video with my own pile of sciencey caveats.. The title still seems like click bait though.
I agree. There’s an arrogance western society has towards the spiritual foundations of all these practices. This arrogance is certainly an immature perspective. But if people want to go at it without the guard rails these traditions provided, they are certainly welcome to figure things out the hard way.
@@jenniferdepew8662 right ? This is absurd.
Let's talk about the side effects and down sides of psychology and trauma therapist....😊😉🙃. Nobody talks about this
Don't, big pharma is watching, all that prescriptions drugs... no! Lol
Legitimately Bad therapists 100% can make difficult things and trauma responses so much worse.
There is only vagueries around how to interview and what to ask to find the right psychologist for each person.
can we add religion to this also, It really depends on how fragile and fragmented the individuals mind is before they start on journey to self discovery.
Agreed OP, any path has pitfalls, balance is necessary.
Yes a lot of people do talk about it... they call then hacks and we all know it is mostly ineffective for most problems, but it is NOT meditation.
If a married couple goes to a "therapist" to solve problems is mostly a waste of time and money, but the question is why?? and that is bc MOST people in ANYYYYY profession ar below average, mediocre, and so they themselves went to school for that but know very little, I saw what sorts of people went into it IN GENERAL at university and it was the ones who could not hack it in the real careers.... but this woman is NOT one of them!! You just don't like what she has to say... I didn't read any actual facts or reasons in your comment, just low key insults that can be thrown at any profession. Whatever it is YOU do in live I bet you most of them aren't worth a sh!t, and those are seldom honest about it.
I live in a street or block where for some reason there are lots of primary and secondary school "teachers", I have to interact with them often and most of them just drink to stupor every single week, and when I talk to them I always regret the time wasted bc they are all stupid, AND ignorant, none of them has EVER read a book from beginning to end, they all know al the football players names though, and the NASCAR drivers... but no new learning at all in THEIR FIELDS at all for the past ten years!! So I repeat: this woman is NOTTTT one of those.
Even if she admits that the therapy business is a fraud IN GENERAL, that doesn't mean she is one of the below average.
A Tibetan Buddhist teacher once said to a friend of mine... "The spiritual path is long, difficult and dangerous. It's best not to start but, once started, it's best to finish." And a Vedic astrologer I once met explained it this way.... when the kundalini (Sanskrit for coiled snake) begins to awaken the head of the snake is still pointed down at the root Chakra and it is very easy to get stuck there; a dark place full of obsession and compulsion. The last thing I will add from my own speculation is that if your intestinal gut bacteria is unhealthy due to lots of sugar, chemicals, and processed foods that situation is already sending up negative signals up to the brain via the vagus nerve and as such your neurotransmitters are already off in your head. My motto is... As below, so above. Many folks have no business even getting started. Hobbyists need not apply.
I agree with that. That makes perfect sense to me. Good comment.
If we fill our bodies full of crap we don't feel good. Absolutely
That's why I am against pharma drugs.
Great info, thanks. 🙏
Exactly why Kundalini is for the chosen few, who overflow with Faith. Everyone gets frightened by this intense divine gift, but not enough that causes you to give up and quit. You must "Know Thyself" to even be privileged enough, to begin your "Bliss State."
I once read an article of a psychiatrist 'helping' people who had experienced fear during meditation. Something that's happens to everyone, but according to him, this was bad and he saved them😂. I guess, what people should know when they start meditating is that it's not something that is going to make you zen during the practice most of the time, emotion are normal, they will be experienced, that's means you're doing it right,no need for pills with a lot of side effects to suppress these human emotions. If you don't want to face fear, anger or whatever, don't start meditating. If you think, pain, fear, anger etc is a side effect, don't start meditating. I never experience sleep problems,but i know most people simply need less sleep when they meditate a lot. I never heard someone who actually experienced this as a side effect. Also, meditation wasn't developed to support they Psychology industry. They don't get it and make their own methods.....
Lower emotions need to be controlled I don’t accept them as normal. I want to leave the world better than when I was born less anger and less fear should be a good start.
If that is how you feel, don't start meditating
@@titussteenhuisen8864
Surely facing painful emotions in the safety of our heads is better than bottling negativity inside, building greater terrors. Anyway, we instinctively meditate at stressful times. For example, children focus on a pattern in the carpet when they're being scolded. And adults focus on an object when a boss is lambasting them.
The way she describes negative side-effects of meditation it sounds like she would consider enlightenment a negative side-effect. I watched one interview with her where she said that she was a 'secular buddhist' and that any experiences that don't match with her worldview are negative experiences. Past life memories? Delusions.... negative side-effect.
@@titussteenhuisen8864 there are no lower emotions. Emotions are just sensory information. Anger and fear serve you just as your sense of pain serves you when you touch something sharp. They alert you to potential hazards you should be aware of. You aren't supposed to be a dead fish getting pulled by the current, you're supposed to navigate the current. You're a steward, not a subject, that's why you have intelligence. Discernment isn't a vice, the lack of it is. Fear and anger can alert you to situations that call for discernment.
Fantastic! As a practitioner and teacher of a few different types of meditation, this has been enlightening and confirming. The best teachers I had taught safety valves and gave warnings and precautions alongside the meditation lessons. Keep up the great work!
You're so welcome!
Where can I find such a teacher or the description of their method, including the 'safety valves' and warnings?
@@_Erendis check out books by Mantak Chia and Ken Cohen. And ask any meditation teacher about risks and safety before training.
@@rayhaywardtheinspiredteach8246 Thank you for the recommendations!
@@_Erendis ruclips.net/video/MCHH7KbBKVQ/видео.html&ab_channel=ForrestKnutson Forrest teaches a path of Kriya Yoga that holds 3 safety valves.
This makes perfect sense to me.
My grandfather told me long ago: "Line between genious and lunatic is very thin."
That’s ridiculous.
Describes Elon Musk perfectly.
I went through a phase of my life that ended with a year that I was to be incarcerated.
I had lost so much and in a tremendous amount of pain, until I taught myself how to meditate. I was able to heal the subconscious drivers that, I didn’t know at the time, had full control over the choices I was making. Today, at times, I find myself wanting to experience the healing I felt and have learned to use this practice as a tool to discover what is governing my thought life.
fantastic.
One of the three keys to the kingdom of heaven where all things are possible: “Know thyself.”
Meditation can be good for that.
Great insight, well put. Thanks for sharing. Best wishes.
@@suzanneemerson2625
I’ll correct you, that is not a Biblical principle…
@@christinemclatchieA person who hasn't read and understood the teachings would not know this is in there.
This reminds me of love. It seems to be such a potentially dangerous thing when you look at how devastating break ups are, and even the violence and suicides associated with that. But no one talks about guarding your feelings, and being more pragmatic and cautious with them when it pertains to love, instead it's promoted as this whimsical celebration, something everyone should be so lucky to attain.
Plus people may forget about the physical aspects. If meditators also do too much fasting then they are likely to have nutritional deficiencies which will result in... well... insanity!
Most of the major religions have promoted celibacy, with very good reasons for doing so.
Love is a kind of insanity
WOW!! That's an amazing analogy!
Excellent analogy!!!
I don't see this as a balanced approach, to be honest. I believe that there's a "dark side" to everything and I applaude you for bringing it forward but this whole conversation sounds to me like: "Guy at the gym increased the load too quickly and got hurt hence lifting weights is unhealthy and dangerous".
Why don't we talk about how much is too much and how to find out a balanced and healthy approach to things?
And psychedelics can change someone's behavior. It's anecdotal but that's exactly what happened to me. Am I someone who can't be recognized by his family anymore? Of course not! But I changed the way I run my business, I became more stable and rational and less impulsive in my decision making.
Did it happen overnight? Hell no!
Did it take some extra work on my end after the experience? Hell yeah and for months and I don't think I'm done untangling what came up during that experience.
But I am having a slightly better life experience thanks to that. And a slightly better life experience compounds over time and becomes something huge in 10 or 20 years.
I believe we should allow more people to experience something like this or even just meditation but we need to create spaces where people can do things according to common sense and to the information we have available rather than turning this into a "team A vs. team B" kind of thing.
You don't scare people away from physical activity by saying "a lot of people get injured so don't do this"
A lot of people get hurt so let's do this right to prevent that.
Actually it has happened overnight. Seen a suicide from this myself.
@@sgcarney Oh, you've got an agenda. It was visible right from the start. The 'overnight' you reference--I don't know the case, of course, but given genuine realities--it had many antecedents and those absolutely did not happen overnight. Also, Marcello was discussing his improvement after psychedelics, and you're talking about a bad reaction to ... whatever it was. One doesn't start meditating and 'go crazy' within 24 hours unless one is completely bonkers already.
Marcello was right. This is: "Guy at the gym increased the load too quickly and got hurt hence lifting weights is unhealthy and dangerous." He's also right that yours, Carney, is unbalanced coverage.
This people are just religious fanatics trying to find a niche to become popular. They living Drowning I'm fear and judgment.
@@sgcarneyyou're assumption is that they had no prior issues aka "overnight"
Any medical understanding how psychosis occurs is a previously unencumbered individual?
All "psychotic" breaks had the days and years leading up to it with untold experiencs and POV perceptions, and biological markers leading into a split, or illness, or bad for them medications. This can include the misplaced perception of dissolving of self/ ego, dissassociation from physical reality, or being of a "sound mind". Overnight psychosis to undoing their physical existence just because of mediation seems overly simplified.
It shouldn't be shocking to a teacher that some seek meditation from unwittingly ill intentions they already harbor against their own well-being.
Many people have told me they are afraid they will lose their 'self' their identity to self if they pursue some of the things I have, because of what their sense/definition of their identity is, and fear of the unknown. They may not have the knowledge or understanding to distinguish the difference between dissolution of self or egoic self, and the misstep of dissassociation from being a self in context of evolving those internal beliefs.
If someone approaches meditation as cure to not liking themselves or the world, or their interactions in their lives, without comprehension of states of mind and what serves their highest good, and what is in them just seeking an escape from what they have perceived as unpleasant or traumatic.
People can become just as mentally ill being a materialist and overworking, then facing challenges like lose or a sense of failure. What brings someone to that space without interest in seeking support, was already imprinted as an option, and not a deviation from their highest good.
The guilt and hurt felt after experiencing a student or colleague losing their life to such a traumatic end, is worthy of investigation and discussion, and the topic needs to be addressed, but you would not have known of this possibility for some had you not experienced that. So I understand the sense of obligation to forewarn. It can be challenging as a guide to understand where every student is coming from internally, especially from their unspoken shadow self.
Great comment! I like where you Manton figuring out how much is too much. It takes work to monitor ourselves.
Your title 'kills me'😆. Yeah, I'm Buddhist, I've been sitting for a couple of decades. Nothing about my practice is designed to make me feel better, but more designed to greet suffering with a little more friendliness :). This is hard core work that I personally couple with the dharma and community. I had an experience that really broke me open on day 6 of a Vipassassana Retreat, but I had been sitting for over 10 years when I went to the retreat, and I had learned about impermanence, etc.....hard to explain. Yes, probably not for everyone. Siddhartha warned about craving experience, the craving state alone can really mess you up during a sit.
Exactly. Jiddu Krishnamurti said that the moment people are seeking meditation and kundalini for experiencing something extra ordinary, some type of enlightenment etc. then they are obviously not doing this for the right reasons and they are back in the same loop of Samsara, Maya and self deception which is the field of reality and thought.
Expecting "results" from the unknown is setting parameters, constraints, and conditions on what is allowed to surface during meditation through false expectations. Mental sabotage for the service of ego is ill-effective.
@@MajICReikiOne can Never expect a result from meditation, occult, ETs or Infinite Cosmos. We can pray for help. But we are not entitled to guaranteed help or goods. Meditation is not mental sabotage. There are many different types of meditation practices. Some focus the mind. Some allow the mind to flow. Mental quietness in nature is highly beneficial for our health. Inwardness meditation helps us to heal.
@MarSarFishin-ws7qk Yes that is the unknown. But we can pray to the Infinite Cosmos to protect us. And we have the luxury to cry things out.
You should expect nothing but an impact on what you can't deal with alone. You are all you need just have to silence external forces recognize them and understand don't be moved by them. Meditate on when your body is pressing you and when your mind is pressing you. Often times both are fighting at the same time freaking you out that's when you searched for enlighten ment in the first place.
A good buddy of mine that was dedicated to yoga and meditation, experienced a kundalini crisis his early 20’s. This was shortly after getting married. His wife left him, and he went to France, where he was institutionalized. He now lives with Schizophrenia for 20 years now. Some superpowers are to powerful, and not very useful.
That’s usually the age when schizophrenia is first diagnosed.
@@palofthepaw It is… For him, yoga just happened to trigger his schizophrenia… for some it’s cannabis. Makes you wonder if it would have ever been triggered if things had been different, or if we all have a psychosis lurking and waiting to be unlocked.
This honestly does happen unfortunately.
Therefore, in real buddhism, meditation gets taught embedded in a whole environment. Buddhism regards itself as the science of the inner world. and yes, it is a science.
Triggering kundalini as a youngster is of course dangerous. It can break you completely. Its naive to do so.
Is kind of ridiculous that westerners tap naively into meditation.
,...and about her: she should stop uptalking. its a disgusting trait
He did it wrong ! 😂
We live in an era where people just think they can create their own techniques and combining everything without potential risk. I found this really wonderful and hope you can come up with a short version with some of the key points. All these techniques have risks, and it's perfectly normal and healthy to discuss them.
yes indeed.
Meditation is so natural very young children just do it in bed as I did for years. Kundalini awakening can be spontaneous, especially with a trauma background and when on a raw diet as it increases energy/consciousness "flow".
@@janadixon936 Interesting that you say that, because if the actual Kundalini traditions of India, and Tummo of Tibet, and according to ayurvedic medicine and Tibetan medicine, while practicing kundalini or tummo, one should increase the richness of the diet, eat plenty of fats (butter is the traditional fat to support kundalini) and lots of protein. Roasted nuts are great. Basically one should eat building foods, not cleansing foods to support kundalini. The raw diet is unbalanced in their view and will lead to a spaced-out mind which cannot tell delusion from reality and will project its delusions onto reality.
"Every day, in every way, I'm getting better and better!"
There you have it! Enjoy!
There's an old Zen story about two students discussing how spiritually accomplished their respective teachers were.
The first student said. "My teacher can draw a picture on a paper which is held by someone across a wide river."
The second student said, "Oh, my teacher is much more advanced than that..."
"Really? What can he do?", asked the first student.
"He eats when he's hungry and sleeps when he's tired!"
underrated comment
Everyday mind is why I love Zen.
Everyone assumes that meditation = relaxation, *It doesn’t*
Every serious meditator knows this. It’s a deep dive into self that 99.9% of the public could not handle.
@@solarydays You are describing contemplation. 'Meditation' and sitting practice usually has no focus on thoughts. They're irrelevant.
@@solarydays If you read carefully what I wrote, I said nothing about not thinking. I said no focus on thought. Thoughts never really go unless entering a state like dhyana. Instead the object of attention becomes something else, such as filling the entire body with the mind and becoming more and more deeply aware of that.
@@solarydays How do you do what if you don't pay attention to thoughts? Focus somewhere else? The mind is like a fluid and it can be moved throughout the body. It takes time to learn how to get it to absorb deeply into it though, as if it were water into a sponge.
Most people spend their lives developing thought and intellect and emotional preferences without expanding their awareness into the rest of the body. That is probably why you think there is only thoughts in the head. There is more than that.
What does one become more aware of? That's multifaceted and a can of worms. If one does certain sitting and breathing practices, it is Qi that one becomes aware of.
The thing is, sadhana and other forms of practice are what people used to point to when they mentioned "meditation". These are linear paths of self development and expanding internal awareness and transformation.
People mention meditation now and think it is being calm and breathing calmly. That's not it. That's literally being calm and breathing calmly.
@@solarydays It may be more useful to set aside the idea of the brain. We are not our brain - we are our entire body, and all the stimulus that is being experienced and interpreted by it often begins to shape our body when we fixate and over-analyse it. Thoughts are like seeds. The thoughts arise, but they require the watering of attention to germinate into thought-streams empowered by emotions which live in the body. When this happens, they perpetuate emotional tendencies in a feedback loop.
It's no wonder either - we live in a world with so much information now that we always engage with thoughts, and as such we are perhaps less free than ever and more manipulated than ever.
I am saying that awareness can be developed beyond identifying with thought and thought streams. There are methods to develop awareness of the rest of ourselves and take us outside of being so thought-centered. Some of these methods involve breathing regulation and so on, but they belong to complete systems that involve healthy living in many ways. I don't think there's much of a shot at this if one isn't physically healthy, because then resting the awareness in the body would be a terribly uncomfortable place to be - and THAT is sometimes why 'meditation' is dangerous. More like a rude awakening.
I appreciate that you're being inquisitive about it @@solarydays
Something such as abdominal breathing and anchoring the breath, and keeping the attention on doing that is an introductory level form of breathing practice that is pretty harmless and good for regulating the nervous system. Thoughts arise, the awareness can be felt going back up to the head, but just as well it can be brought back down into the abdominal cavity.
Like anything, it's a skill and requires practice.
Being silent is dangerous? It takes a bit of self-discipline to be able to meditate. We should be more specific about what type of meditation has risks. You can meditate while walking in the park if you want. Obviously, meditation is not for everyone.
Meditation WORKS. And, like EVERYTHING in this world that works, it is not light at all. And this make it very, very dangerous to some individuals - even among the healthiest of us. It is like taking DMT, even in religous cerimonies. Be careful with your mind.
THIS
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Understanding how the ego functions is the key to protecting yourself from the darkness. Let's not mystify this. Once you know the voices in your head are not you, you are free... provided you are free of toxic beliefs and the influence of unhinged egotism.
Sure buddy. I know many people who wend mad from meditation ... NOT.
@@theostragonidis7548 Anything that has the power to heal also has the potential to harm, including water. While uncommon, there are some that have bad, even dangerous reactions to meditation. ❤️🙏💞
We were screened & warned at the beginning of our 2 Week Silent Vipassana Training that it is not for everyone, and that going within could trigger aberrant reactions. I've since learned that this knowledge is known by traditional Buddhist teachers. Nonetheless, it is part of my vital personal spiritual practice.
Would love someone to simply state this information. What’s the warning? Hyper sensitivity? I understand that, and having hallucinatory experiences. Feeling and seeing energy? Needing to go overcome hard things? Am I missing something?
Omg, I’m so happy I came across this vital information 🙏🏽 I’ve only started hearing about bad side effects of medication & I’ve been meditating for over 10 years & watching the industry become just another money maker😢 I teach meditation myself always sober. I teach my students how to manage their own energetic systems and I do assist them with reiki too. I encourage counselling because dealing with our past traumas & abuses is extremely difficult as I know personally and it takes years of working on the self healing process. That being said, I do do a little plant medicine personally on occasion. A little weed and a journeying experience allowing me to totally release control and allow for the subconscious mind to surface highlighting what needs my attention. I do this occasionally for my own personal development. I don’t recommend it to my students. I do believe this information needs to be shared with everyone❣️There’s always pro & cons to everything 👍🏽 thank you for your years of amazing work to bring this truth to light ❤
I call BS. I have meditated for years and it has only helped me. If you can’t sit with your self for a certain amount of time, then your problems started way before the meditation. I have met many older monks and none have lost their mind.
That could be part of it however as the Dr says there is danger pointed out by the Buddha and in all traditions. She is doing this for modern practitioners and the organisations that are involved in this.
“YOU HAVE TO GROW FROM THE INSIDE OUT. NONE CAN TEACH YOU, NONE CAN MAKE YOU SPIRITUAL. THERE IS NO TEACHER BUT YOUR OWN SOUL. 🙏🏻🌑🌞
One of the most paradoxically (or perhaps ironically) unpleasant things about coming out of retreat is the suffering of having to deal with people who have no mental tools to deal with their own suffering.
That is a paradox. Might prove her point in a way.
Eastern type meditation originated and was meant for monks, renunciants and hermits, period. It is one of the many signs of the ills of modernity that now mental manipulative techniques have gone mainstream in the West.
In the East in places where tradition is still strong, very few laymen are encouraged to meditate. In fact monks discourage laymen from going deep into it.
In the best case scenario monks would teach some very basic relaxation techniques associated with calmness, but nothing intensive. In more westernized eastern countries they are starting to unfortunately follow the West in offering intensive retreats to common folks. But that is anti traditional and hss always been discouraged by most serious contemplative religious traditions.
After hearing this video, no wonder why.
Serious mediation requires a certain milieu, a setting, away from society and a full time life long commitment which laymen are unable or unwilling to undertake.
Another thing. Relaxation techniques are very good and should be taught and encouraged but let's not confuse them with meditation.
Relaxation is an altogether different department although there are overlaps with meditation. But the practice and essentially the aim is different. Westerners need to learn to relax but not meditate. Don't confuse the two. Meditation is strictly an intensive practice meant for people who either dropped out from society or have temporarily left society to do these intensive practices under strict spiritual guidance from an advanced practitioner and together with other fully commited meditators.
This can and should take years or decades of hardship and asceticism too hard to bear by most ordinary people.
Westerners are playing with fire out of greed, naivety and ignorance.
This! Vipassana style or similar meditations are not for generating happiness, bliss or cure for all ailments. It's mostly for renunciates. Originally very few Buddhists meditated. It's a semi-modern phenomenon. Originally 99% of Buddhist world only did classical religious studies, prayers, merits, bowing, taking refuge, doing pujas, festivals and some sort of ancestor veneration. Meditation was reserved for only the best of monks, not even all monks meditated. It's a Western myth that even modern Easterners regurgitate - that meditation is central Buddhist practice of most Buddhists. Some Buddhist monks, especially Theravadins will tell you that feeling disconnected, dissociated from your personality and mundane life, passionless it's not a adverse symptom of practice but what you should be feeling if you practice consistently. So it's not a bug, it's a feature.
I'm much more on immanence then transcendence side of metaphysics. I found modern paganism much more grounded and compatible with modern life then semi-monkish lifestyle people inadvertently try to emulate.
Love this! ❤
So agree - meditation (& Yoga!) are not ment for the general population!
OH AND SCOTT your delivery was great both did well very educational and positive energy exchange and efforts to get this out has not gone unnoticed glad to spread the word share and educate!
Thank you kindly!
Thanks you Willoughby Britton for the work that you do. Much respect to both of you for having this coversation. I would appreciate you guys having more in depth convrsations on this topic.
I do have an idea for a follow up.
@@sgcarney the topic of the self illusion would be an interesting one
This is really sobering. I've had persistent negative experiences, similar to the milder side of what's described in this video, since beginning breathwork-based meditation. Initially I chalked them up to being either "positives" in disguise (as you discuss), or unrelated to the breathwork. Now I think I understand.
There are many different breath work techniques and some aren't for anxious or depressed people. Mantra or focused, like on a candle might be better for you. Techniques are tools and no one is right for everyone. Best to you. 🙏
@@lulumoon6942 100% this! depending on how your anxiety manifests, and the technique you use, breath work can be amazingly helpful or highly triggering. For example if I have a deep, low "vibe" anxiety then "Breath of Fire" is amazing for me, but if It's a high, tingly/spiky anxiety then it'll make it worse.
In classical yoga breathwork (pranayama) was known to be very powerful and potentially harmful and so was never to be undertaken without an experienced guide. The guide could assess the student in detail and would determine if certain types of breath control were appropriate for a given student.
Thank you. But in the West everyone thinks they can just play with anything with no real knowledge or guidance....it's sad.@@Caitanyadasa108
Ive been a meditator for 40 years. I understand it this way - if you have some very heavy psychological issues or injuries, meditation can sometimes encourage those to emerge for healing and clearing. That can be seriously traumatic and in need of support and/or guidance.
Meditation removes deep stress. Pain and trauma resides there...
But once the stress is removed, life changes quite profoundly into the positive adventure it was always meant to be.
Meditation is demonic possession its satanic
@@GODHATESADOPTION You sound demonic posting things like that dude.
A fine comment, well put. Yes, books on meditation often include a caveat advising readers to seek professional counselling and possible medication in serious cases of trauma or depression.
@@sampedro9316 meditation IS demonic
@@sampedro9316 😁👍🏻
The problem I see with the Western mindset is we've become very comfortable in our easy and relatively safe lives, with liability insurance, control and certainty. So when we have a few problems in our lives we project that mindset onto meditation, breathwork, psychedelics or what have you, expecting whatever it is we put our faith in to be the magic pill that cures all, or the one thing that will always work for us no matter what, needing that one thing we can rely on, that certainty that is essentially the great illusion created by our comfortable societies. Unresolved trauma also leads to a need for certainty and control. If your meditation practice is doing it's job you should be able to make peace with the uncertainty and entertain the idea that meditation is not perfect, not always reliable, and could very well lead you to a psychotic break at some point. If not, it's likely then that you haven't been meditating at all. You've likely forced yourself to sit with something painful without the proper support of a trauma therapist, flooded your system, went numb and have been sitting in a dissociated state, indulging in delusional fantasies that you are meditating while actually spiritually bypassing and avoiding your stuff, as a reactive protection mechanism. And no judgement in that, the psyche will do what it needs to keep itself safe, but, without the awareness of what's happening you'll be stuck there for quite a while. You've been using your meditation to control your life, not to make peace with the truth of your lack of control of your life. This is why many Buddhists get really aggressive and protective of their precious meditation because they've built a whole trauma personality and identity around the very thing they use to avoid their trauma, you attack it, you attack them. They haven't actually done any work at all they're just dissociating!
All of the negative side-effects that Willoughby mentioned sounded like trauma responses to me. Dr. Stephen Porges Polyvagal Theory and his youtube video interview where he brings spirituality into it can help explain this. I think more people are entering into spiritual fantasies than having spiritual experiences as a way of avoiding pain they're not yet ready to feel. Forcing someone to, or convincing someone that it's healing, to "sit with their shit" in the name of meditation is damaging. After 15+ years of meditation and all sorts of new age techniques the only thing that worked for me was professional trauma psychotherapy through somatic experiencing and polyvagal framing. Until I learned how to track my nervous system I had no idea that everything I was doing beforehand was subtly retraumatising me. The most painful trauma is abandonment trauma, and it can only be healed in a safe, therapeutic relationship where there has been enough time to build trust slowly. Forcing yourself to trust a meditation teacher because they have 5 stars online, or to sit in a large room with a bunch of strangers you've never met before and try to hold your pain on your own can be extremely retraumatising and overwhelming for people with abandonment trauma. It actually becomes a form of punishment we choose unconsciously, thereby replaying our trauma unbeknownst to ourselves. How many of us were sent away to sit in a corner alone as a punishment when we were kids? How many of us were abandoned or neglected left to handle our own emotions alone? How many of us were exiled to a silent room as punishment? "You go away now and think about what you've done!" Often we don't even know what we've done wrong and nobdy will tell us, so we come to believe we are inherently "bad", inherently "wrong". Meditation and meditation retreats are just a more adult form of self-punishment. "I must heal! I must fix! There is something wrong with me!" No wonder most people dissociate. Are your thoughts really going away or are you drifting further from yourself, leaving your body as a trauma response? Are you having an ego death or are you experiencing depersonalisation?
I had some strange and worrying affects from new meditation techniques last year and was recommended to look up Cheetah House. So it's great to see this and them getting some publicity. Great stuff!
Read a book called the Buddha Pill if you haven’t already, it’s goes deep into this stuff. The type of meditation she speaks about if done properly, correct me if I’m wrong, requires a long process of undoing yourself and the results can be quite traumatic for those not ready for such a thing. There are other forms that have some health benefits shown in studies ❤
Her patients come from many different traditions.
@@sgcarneysounds like she mentions Theravada at the start. Anyways it’s true that pausing the mind for brief period can be triggering for some people, especially in this day and age - the Buddha pill is a great book for more studies and insights into this issue.
@SOMABreath sure. I wrote a book on it, too. “The Enlightenment Trap”
@@sgcarney I’ll check it out
Is it possible that some of these negative effects are as a result of ‘techniques’ being taken out of a larger spiritual framework. So that mitigating strategies and support are not available. I’ve often wondered about our western obsession with with isolating the one ‘active ingredient’ when sometimes the full esoteric package is a healthier more balanced ‘diet’. I’m not denying the findings of the research. I’m fascinated by it and will he digging deeper. I just wonder whether original teachings had the protective factors included… I’m fascinated to learn more. It’s certainly a side of things I’ve not heard about before.
That’s part of it for sure.
Sure, it can't be understood by western Psychology. So, they try to analyse things, that in meditation from a Buddhist point of view/ technique, you would never analyse,but do the opposite..... And this is just 1 example
If instant khrhma has taught me anything, the only framework is the one you create yourself
Yes. The western tendency to secularize everything that's spiritual is partly to blame.
So I've suffered from recurring depressions most of my life. Practised Qi Gong which puts me in a meditative state. I've never dared do qi gong when I've had bad depressive episodes.
That sounds wise.
OMGosh!
try B3 and B1 lol
@@szymonbaranowski8184& B12
This was such a great talk. Thanks to Scott and Willoughby for this. I’m a long term “meditator”, in the zen tradition. I was shown from the beginning of my Zazen that it was good for nothing. It was a very down to earth approach to meditation, that made no promises of transcendence of any kind, other than being more accepting of life as it comes and goes. But it was also stressed that it’s not an easy thing to do, and we all carry what my teacher calls curative fantasy into out meditation practice. We practice to get some results or get enlightenment…when really just doing the practice is enough in itself, just sitting and allowing yourself to just be as you are. Your always going be a frail human being, with all your flaws no matter how many hours you sit meditating. There are also the added benefits of the wider teachings, ethical principles and the wider sangha. Your Zazen should be formerly rooted not just in the half hour sitting still, but in a larger ethical and social context. For example before sitting meditation, we would recite the vows to help all people, so that we are reminded that our meditation practice is not just for “me” but it has a much broader perspective and impact.
I am soooo happy to stumble onto this. I've had positive outcomes working with many of these practices. I had NO IDEA abt any of this. 😢
I'm very happy with my meditation practice. I guess it's similar to how people have different reactions to medicine.
Exactly her point.
well because Yogis are manipulative, going into traumas, playing with minds and saiying that they know the way, they don't know.
Breathing is not owned neither by Hof or yoga studios.
Yoga and meditation can never be branded. But that's what people are doing.
I’m a life long Buddhist, I’m 62, and I think this video is brilliant and covers some very important issues. Thank you. I would add that the practice of contemplative and esoteric traditions has ALWAYS had its dangers of madness and more, people should be made aware of these things and I think the Dark Night Project does some excellent research. Hope she keeps up the good work.
I'm a musician. I remember one time back in the 80s I was frying on LSD and playing my keyboard as I was recording. I was positive that the things that I was playing were ingenious and magical. When I listend to the recording later it sounded like crap. It was one of the worst things that I had ever recorded. So my point here is when you're on psychedelics you think that you're having all these profound life-changing experiences such as creating ingenious music, but when it wears off reality comes back and nothing has changed. I'm sure people will disagree with me and attack me but I've been around psychedelics since the 60s and I've done them only God knows how many times. If you put it all together I would say that number would have four digits. We used to eat LSD and mushrooms like candy. I know what I'm talking about. My knowledge is not theoretical. I've lived it. If people think they're going to eat psychedelics and gain some type of profound life-changing wisdom they are sadly mistaken. That's not going to happen.
PS. I'm not against psychedelics but just enjoy them for what they are. They are a great way to catch a good Buzz that's not going to kill you. That's it. You're going to wake up the next day and you're going to be in the same place that you were before. So just enjoy the gift of psilocybin that Mother Nature has given us but don't expect a miracle. Just enjoy it for what it is.
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You need to listen to more Terrance Mackenna…
It sounds like you may have been experiencing synesthesia. Your mind interpreting your thoughts as musical notes. At the moment it was a wondrous experience, however once you are out of that mental framework the connection is lost and there is no congruence to the sound.
@@elonever.2.071 that sounds about right.👍
Not everyone gets the same experience, my friend just like the colors changing on lsd and listening to music, while i have a profound and deep experience and fresh new view that drastically changed me for the better,I hope you get what you need from it.
Thank you Scott and Willoughby for highlighting this - I had an adverse reaction to meditation and it’s good know I’m not alone in this. Psychologically speaking, meditation took me to a very dark place so I had to stop. I experienced emotional abuse and neglect as a child and I think that meditation might not be suitable for people with some types of trauma. Thank you again for highlighting something that is little known about.
@JH-su3m, yes, I too had a lot of childhood trauma to sort through. I don't know that meditation alone would have helped without the other 2 legs of the Buddhist stool.
I'm very sorry to hear about your experience. 100% this should be more openly discussed. There is trauma informed meditation techniques, but sadly this isn't well known. I hope you are able to find trauma therapies that are helpful to you. 🤗
@@perprerpAmen!!!
@@perprerp Lovely bit of victim shaming and gaslighting going on there! She never said she wanted to go to la la land. She experienced neglect which is abandonment trauma. Meditation is the worst activity for anyone with abandonment trauma, it's actually a trigger for it. This type of trauma is best worked out with a professional trauma therapist in a safe therapeutic relationship over a long period of time.
100% meditation is not suitable for some types of trauma - specifically neglect or abandonment trauma. Kudos for stopping and taking good care of yourself. I experienced same. Only a professionally trained trauma psychotherapist was able to help me with my trauma, meditation was only retraumatising me.
Great conversation - really enjoyed and thank you.
Great conversation! There are a lot of ways to “meditate” throughout the day. I’ve always been skeptical of organized, dogmatic groups all claiming to practice the “correct way.”
This was so interesting and informative. I've read so many books on meditation practices and even went through a yoga teacher training course, adverse affects are never talked about. In some small ways meditation was helpful, like learning to control my breathing when I get extra nervous, but pursuing a deeper practice had me so in my head and triggered a lot of depressive thought spirals. I never really talked about it with anyone because I just felt like an odd one out or that I wasn't practicing the techniques in the right way. It's awesome she's doing this research and putting this information out there, I think it's very very important for people to know that results with meditation techniques can and will vary.
Thanks for watching!
Something attached to me during meditation following yrs of practice, this is real !
TkU for publicly speaking on the potential downside of meditation !
I thought I imagined this for yrs, but once I realized how this happened to me, I was able to release, myself through my Faith, from the clutches of this nightmare !
I was so alone with this for so long, not realizing what was happening, or how it was happening, or that I had brought it upon myself, so I hope this video can help others, maybe even save them from many yrs of suffering !
🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation:
00:00 🧠 *Britton delves into meditation's overlooked negative effects.*
02:57 🛑 *Stigma hinders discussing meditation's downsides openly.*
04:32 💰 *Financial interests obstruct acknowledging meditation risks.*
10:30 🧘♂️ *Resistance to discussing risks mirrors other industries.*
14:21 🗣️ *Criticism often accompanies highlighting meditation's drawbacks.*
16:55 🤔 *Simplistic soundbites overlook meditation's complexity.*
20:11 ⚠️ *Negative symptoms of meditation range widely.*
22:02 🧠 *Some experience extreme motivation changes due to meditation.*
22:27 🧘 *Changes in self-perception raise questions about adverse effects.*
23:48 🤔 *Identifying adverse effects involves subjective appraisal.*
25:27 💔 *Suicidal incidents during retreats highlight risks.*
26:47 🌀 *Spiritual beliefs intersect with interpreting mental experiences.*
32:29 🌟 *Seekers often pursue meditation for growth, but interpretations vary.*
35:43 🏥 *Treating adverse effects differs between clinical and esoteric traditions.*
37:06 🔀 *Meditation's dual presentation complicates responses.*
41:12 🔄 *Spiritualization deflects accountability, creating tensions.*
43:58 🧘 *Distinguishing spiritual insights involves ethical complexities.*
45:25 🤔 *Appraisal determines religious or spiritual experiences.*
48:46 🧩 *No single experience defines religiousness or spirituality.*
51:20 📊 *Statistically significant results don't guarantee universal effectiveness.*
53:44 💡 *Hype overshadows nuanced understanding of meditation.*
57:41 🌌 *Expectations of transformative experiences may not align with outcomes.*
01:01:27 💊 *The psychedelic industry faces similar challenges as meditation.*
01:04:12 🚫 *Combining powerful tools can lead to negative outcomes.*
01:05:35 🌟 *Experimentation is valuable, but risks must be assessed.*
01:06:42 💬 *Sam Harris's openness demonstrates rare accountability.*
01:07:37 📉 *Public figures face backlash for highlighting risks.*
01:09:55 🌐 *Acknowledging both positive and negative aspects is crucial.*
01:17:01 🛑 *One in ten may experience adverse effects, highlighting the need for awareness.*
01:19:29 🍫 *Despite risks, meditation is generally worth trying, but data representation should be accurate.*
Thank you for this. Scott could learn this. He could also learn not to interrupt his guest when she's sharing import information we need to hear.
I dont remember anything about writing hate mail in Buddha's teachings. I'm afraid those hater Buddhists are likely teenager wannabes admiring Buddhism because it's exotic, while not having the first idea what it actually teaches
Unfortunately, a hallmark of all religion.
I love you guys. Thank you for being skeptical. You know who finds meditation really aversive? Robert Sapolsky. He said so in a recent interview. He said it like his personality was wrong for it; he wasn’t speaking out against it. But I’d love to hear more about why he said that.
Yes some people find stillness of mind, or relief from overactive thoughts, from being physically active or engaging in art and music. Sitting still can make some peoples mind overactive, common for people with ADHD and certain types of trauma.
His work is awesome ❤
Thank you for discussing this topic.
The potential pitfalls of any practice should be openly discussed and conveyed, with the caveat of the complexities underlying the formation of personal identity and values when attempting to recondition or work on parts of those internal belief structures. Being honest with self about intentions and desires, and purpose for learning something like meditation, or a spiritual practice or energy work, etc. Foundational is intention, spoken or unspoken.
"Wherever you go, there you are."
Thank you for sharing her Important Info!!! It needs to be known. I saw some of her info years ago and she confirmed my suspicions about what I had experienced and seen in others.
It's called shadow work and not everyone is equipped or prepared for it
*EXACTLY* I am holding fast to the old adage: "Know thyself". ✅
The same thing could be said about falling in love. Altered state comes to a close and some people get stuck in the dissolved state. I guess the lesson of non attachment is relevant here. Keep flowing. Keep grounding. Accept what is.
no matter what path you take to free yourself from something.
if you can't have a teacher as a friend who has been all the way and just helps you to recognize and gain real independence, then it becomes difficult and chaotic.
this applies to spiritual teachers, shamans, gurus and all kinds of therapists and therapies.
the successful thing about these is the combination of person, method and facilitator and this can vary greatly(: great interview..thx
Glad someone is researching and sharing this important subject!
When I got into meditation it was great but after a while i felt aggitated and i was having weird experiences like dark energies watching me. I started to feel hot and cold spots. I could see energy streams. I've stopped. I didn't feel good basically. I think we open ourselves up to all kinds of energies. Some not so good.
You never learned how to control your experience. Spiritual teachers don’t want to teach you that control because they want you dependent on them. You can’t learn that control when you are learning on your own. You need individualized instruction. I’m sad for you. You opened yourself up and got slammed by forces you couldn’t see and were not aware of. They’re not malevolent, just too strong for you right now. I hope you find what you need. You have a great life ahead of you when you do.
Great guest! Educated, entertaining, real and down to earth. Gotta love this gal❤
Thanks for watching.
Thank you so much for this! I wish we had these infos out more in the past years as I struggled with the negatives of meditation and spiritual practices myself. Particularly true is what she says at 55:54 that people who get traumatised by these experiences (wether is through some deep meditation or psychedelics use) are so dysregulated they don't even have energies to confront who proposes and even swears by them. I've been there and felt so desperate, dissociated and disappointed that I truly struggled to find some real help, someone who could get my feet back to the ground.
Please keep up with your work!
My journey is more positive than negative I’m not forcing it like I was at the beginning but my life has changed love myself and keep it positive still working on the present moment it’s amazing I liked your guest and you thank you
Thank you so much for this interview it just confirmed my uncomfortable feeling about meditations. I have many friends who are meditating and proclaiming how good it is, but none of them is happy or having a 'better' or more fulfilled life. I have realised that money is often involved and they are promoting psycedelic drugs for 'deeper' experiences, for me that is no different than taking illegal drugs for some 'special experiences of feeling good' . Now I can share this with my friends, maybe some of them will recognise the negative side effects and stop destroying themselves. Great interview!
It sounds like a lot of people posting here dont have a clue what meditation is. It is a quieting of the mind of the normal chatter a lot of people endure in their everyday life. I do it quite a bit and have done so for a couple years now and I never had anything but positive feedback/reactions to it. When I meditate I let thoughts pass through my mind freely and after a while I find one thought that keeps circling around. And when this happens I step of out meditation and into introspection and open the thought like a book and see where it goes. For me there is usually an emotional component attached to the thought and I follow the emotional component along with the body sensations through one previous experience to another all the way back to the initial unsettling experience. When I have done this the thought, emotion and body sensation are entirely gone for good. I do the same each time I meditate if this situation arises.
I dont have chatter any more. My mind ponders instead of criticizes or makes judgements. Now I often meditate while walking or doing mundane tasks. It helps me make confident choices and decisions because I have weighed all the known evidence about a thing beforehand.
If your mind does not make judgements, then how can you make a comment on RUclips that is, itself, a judgement?
I believe what they meant to articulate, is that they have practiced meditation (as attention training) enough to obtain the ability to pay closer attention to the experience of 'judgmental/critical' thoughts arising. Rather than automatically identifying with their experience and impress upon the world, they can 'step back' rather than get swept up in the negative emotions and thought patterns. They still arise, but their nature is for them is to also pass or intentionally redirect attention elsewhere when other things arise. As the nature of consciousness is just infinite, but in order to aim the spotlight you must first notice it. There isn't a solution, as there isn't really a problem. Just a pondering, and reality as experience with meditation as a honing the knife of the mind. The most dangerous blade, is a dull one. Meditation is the first tool we happen upon in our internal waking up and attempt at understanding of our experience. To attempt to explain reality-what seems like a paradox, through logic or language is an impossible task. @@sgcarney
Meditation has many "versions", each with different goals and results. Furthermore, everyone is different in significant ways, so meditation has different results for different people. Some of the results for some of the people can be considered negative or problematic.
It is unwise to measure everything through the lens of personal subjective experience and overgeneralize. Other people's experiences can be different.
Yes, she is talking of extremes. A friend of mine brought me to a weekend with a guru and I cried and did't join with what their were doing, I was only watching and months later I was introduced to the facts of narcissistic leaders.They make retreats instead of healing their trauma, the students as well as the teachers. We all have some sort of trauma. As long as we haven't dealt with it, any meditations are more damaging than helping. Meditation is not for everybody. Ask: Does meditation supports my coping strategies like denying, isolation, not connecting to others or does it help me to reconnect to myself? If you regulate your nervous system first and you meditate afterwards then you have a different outcome. But only after healing most of your trauma and not more than 30 minutes a day. I am an energy healer (no reiki), but I also learnt a lot about trauma, because you have to understand, change energetically, you have to change your behaviour patterns and reflect a lot.
Yup! Meditation was retraumatising for me. After trauma therapy I found dancing, drumming and movement techniques to be the best way for me to regulate, process and find balance.
This is the first time I have heard anything like this - it is obviously a very important topic
Thank you for the conversation
This was much more interesting than the click-baity title suggested to me... I passed on this in the past because the title seemed so hyperbolic, but I'm glad I gave it a second chance. Fascinating interview!
Thanks for being here.
This video is gold. This lady is integrity itself. Something sorely needed in a world of falsehood and narcissism.
Yes!
I work in suicide prevention, the issue about suicide and these groups for me is the lack of accountability and oversight in these groups. Meditation and retreats may be an adjunct to mental health support for some, but should never replace treatment with a licensed professional. These groups should be explaining that to their customers
100% agree. Every teacher should have trauma-informed training. For me after 15+ years of meditation and all sorts of new age BS the only thing that helped was a licensed trauma psychotherapist, and after doing the real work I was able to see clearly that I had been subtly retraumatising myself with everything else I was doing in the desperate attempt to heal myself, with all of the promises for healing I had been given by these well-intentioned but wholly ignorant people.
If they went psychotic through meditation, they probably needed sleep. I was wondering if you meditate enough you could get past the need for sleep. Sounds like: no
Why don't they do an expose on intimate relationships ?
I was always hearing that intimate relationships were good. But when I got into one, I encountered experiences of fear, anger, confusion, and pain.
Why don't any of these "psychologists" tell the truth of the downside of having relationships with people?
No more relationships for me!
In Samatha meditation, practitioners seeking specific results can often become ensnared in a false sense of emptiness, leading them to withdraw from the real world, and in some cases, this detachment can even result in mental distress. This is why seasoned meditation practitioners and monks advise against relying solely on thought during Samatha meditation, as it can lead to negative consequences. In contrast, Vipassana meditation typically has a milder effect because it involves shifting focus and not concentrating on a single object, thereby continuously changing the meditation focus. However, it's common for many meditators to confuse their practice of Samatha with Vipassana without realizing the difference. This misunderstanding could explain why conversations with the interviewer occur.
Moreover, the ancient text Vimuttimagga, written over 2300 years ago, details the suitability of different types of meditation for various individuals. Therefore, before beginning meditation, it's important to educate oneself about the practice. Similar to how one would read about a medication before taking it to treat symptoms, understanding meditation is crucial as it profoundly affects the mind. It's advisable to gain this understanding before engaging in the practice.
Great information, thank you! I work in the realm of cult recovery and complex trauma, and I often have discussions about the risks of meditation. This is important information to share.
Thanks for sharing! I'd love to know more about your work on cult recovery.
@@sgcarney Sure thing. I'll send you an email.
Is there anyway to get information or contact from you?
I keep falling back into those places where I think I'm going to go to hell, even after two months "sober" from doom-scrolling. My mother has been very tired with me because of this :(
I’ve been meditating for a while and can absolutely confirm everything you’re talking about. I have gone through almost each one of those challenges. As you say, we can only evaluate our symptoms depending on our context. One could say that our society is very non-conducive to the whole meditation experience. And it is profoundly negligent for meditation teachers not to give warnings about what people are getting into and the potential negative consequences it might have.
I have found that just knowing about the potential consequences before hand makes it easier to confront them. One is able to observe them without getting so psychologically distressed by them. But we really do have some ugly hells inside of us, so again, psychological distress is to be expected. Spirituality-related practices have never been an easy thing.
I can also confirm the conflation of the word kundalini, that is now applied to refer to everything. That’s just a symptom of people not knowing what they’re talking about and wanting to throw cool-sounding mystical concepts onto everything.
In any case, thank you very much for the video, I do think the content is very important
To each their own. But why do modern people think that growing & improving one's self is supposed to be easy... no need for knowledge, wisdom, or discernment, no price to pay??
I'm sure that I'm not the only one who has lived with one foot on either side, physical & nonphysical. From early on, it just "was"... a waking meditation. Maybe it was my confident grounded inner beliefs that kept me sane. But the cost of seeing & hearing & feeling what's beside this world is a LOT of weird & dangerous encounters that manifested into my daily life.
And the privilege of some really amazing & wonderful ones too. I never fought it's reality, I just accepted it.
Most people are SO invested in this manipulated human layer, they *break* when they "see" expanded realities/dimensions.
This is what drove my fascination for human dev't & neuro studies.
So glad I clicked on this suggested video:
when I was 17 (1087-88) a man came to our school that said to teach us how to meditate by repeating some mantra something like "ohhmm namaa shivayaa" and he asked us to place our heads on the seat and close our eyes, he gave us a sort of guided tour of what this was... and I did go places and all that during those ten minutes, but then before he left he suggested we continue with this alone at home....
So a few days later I was laying in bed and started that mantra, eyes closed, and went "under", and I could hear all things around me but I COULD NOT COME BACK TRY AS I MAY, I kept trying to waken and could not, I have no idea how long I was in that state but the first thing I remember next is my brother SLAPPING ME hard telling me to stop F-ing around, he said he saw me screaming and shaking uncontrollably, I remembered none of this, and that he tried to wake me nicely first, but that I kept shaking as if an epileptic attack... I got so scared bc for YEARS later I kept having these dreams where I was aware but could not wake up, and I intentionally never did that again... I wonder if this lady has any reasons or how's or why of this situation, to this day I cannot sleep face down as I used to like to do bc I feel like I cannot breathe. But I hear a lot about the great discoveries and benefits of practices meditation...
That's Saturn's mantra... A heavy one to do when little (AND as adults!!). Not recomended!!!
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Too late for me I guess, unless I discover some permanent solution, the dreams or nightmares are always there at least three times a week....
I don't think that man intentionally did this, most probably he didn't know what this lady is talking about.
I thought about doing an ayawaska (?) journey, but I am too concerned to have a good guide that can bring me back in case I cannot do it myself... or simply another session of mediation but GUIDED by a good knowledgable person who knows how to do it and bring you back if needed.
You are very fortunate to have not lost your mind during that time of meditation, as clearly you were in danger… Shiva (part of your mantra) is the Hindu god of destruction, and that is exactly what was intended for you.
In the West we don’t usually find out the dangers of this Hindu practice, until we’re up to our necks in horrifying states of reality…
If you want to read about the dangers of meditation and yoga, I found a book called ‘Death of a Guru’ and it is a real eye opener. It was written by the son of a Guru, who watched what happened to his father, and started to question Hinduism as he grew up.
The book will explain a lot about what was happening to you; and I can tell you, you’re one of many. The good thing though, is that you have survived, although things could be better for you without the fears that you have… I don’t want to frighten you, but you have experienced demonic oppression. Something so common among those who go into Hindu practices, especially for the Hindu’s themselves. They live in fear of their gods, as they know they must appease them. Leaving food out for them when they can’t afford to feed themselves, leaving an entire country in hunger and poverty. This food gets taken btw, but not by humans.
Please take care 🙏
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Thanks for your response, I do still OCCASIONALLY have those nightmares and while ASLEEP they are in fact horrifying, but they look silly as I still remember them when I wake up... but I don't know if narrating those nightmares is relevant here bc I do still look for a solution...
The nightmares involve some gorrilla type of creatures with horrifying sharp teeth, they are in a sort of pool or swamp filled with a soupy bloody substance up to their chest, and there is many of them, and all around them are humans trying to get away from them desperately, but these STRONG creatures grab the closest human and take bites of flesh out of them from faces backs arms and "throw" the human away only to grab another one and continue, the soupy substance is thick and is hard to move in it, strangely I do NOT see myself in it, only humans and those ape like gorillas, but they are NOT gorillas, it is like admixture of several creatures into one.
Ok, at first I thought maybe I saw a horror movie and that was the reason, but this occurs regardless of movies or what happened the day of... it can be a great day only to wake up with that nightmare at night.
In another one of these nightmares, I am in a place of fire, I am not burned, just walking "among" fire, and see to both sides people in pain and screaming... and it doesn't get better after that.
Question: how can I do a sort of "therapy" and get rid of these dreams??
The guy who started me in this at school said this was supposed to be great for reaching the hidden mind's powers of creativity and deep thinking, and maybe it did, but it also brought this other side up, and I feel I cannot control it... unfortunately we all know most therapists are ill prepared for this as most do not even know what this lady explains here. The first thing most therapists will do is fill me full of pills, and I never take anything, not even alcohol or smoke anything.
Thank you! ❤ This helped me to process a lot of my experiences in a new way!
I've been needing a grounded discussion like this for years.
One can enter a meditative state in the act of creativity, such as dancing, writing, painting etc. also meditation can be used for controlling dream state and astral projection. As an artist and healed healer and home counselor in the medical health field, I know that depression can be the beginning of a deeper healing, yet we allow the pharmacy to mask the feelings rather than dive into them and find the deeper issue they still carry from passed trauma. It all comes down to trauma that is still carried in the waters of the body. The head has been the focus, but the heart is the sun and portal to meeting eternity and experiencing the ego death and balance of inner chi
Wow and more wooow this blow my mind, now I can understand more some things when I was involved in New Age practices in the past. And i can relate this with the monstrosity giant of fitness/nutrition industry, also obsessed with for a long time.
Thanks for helping me with my personal analysis.
You're very welcome
Omg loving this and your work.
I had a rough meditation once. I asked for the next phase of my spiritual evolution in meditation and I received waves of energy hitting my body so hard it’s like I was having convulsions for 10 minutes straight. After it subsided I went to bed. I woke up the next morning with vertigo. After two days the vertigo subsided and left me with nystagmus, and oscillopsia for about 10 weeks. I couldn’t work, couldn’t barely walk at times.
I saw an ENT, audiologist, neurologist, neuro-ophthalmologist, had an mri of my brain, then did a light treatment program at home called syntonics. All specialists said they had never seen anything like this and I was an anomaly. The medical field has so much catching up to do with metaphysics.
All that to say that I concur with this podcast in the fact that there are definite risks with meditation. I would only meditate one every few weeks, so I wasn’t even hard core into it.
I have learned that your bodies neural network must slowly adapt to incoming energy. Too much of an influx at once and you can easily throw your electrical system off, or even have a stroke.
Almost anything is ok in moderation, but beware of the risks.
Uh, you "asked for the next phase of my spiritual evolution in meditation"? I'm sorry but what does that even mean? What were you doing exactly? How were you meditating? How were you breathing? What else was happening? This doesn't make any sense.
Hmmm You asked and you received, but do you know the source of the experience? Absolutely?
Scott Carney Thank you for posting.
Thanks for being here.
I appreciate this, and think informed consent is important. I think the biggest mistake people make about meditation is the same as the biggest mistake people make about psychotherapy - that it's all about "relaxing." My experience in life has been that the results of a long term depth therapy or psychoanalysis are functionally the same as a successful "awakening" experience. Both paths can be paved in periods of hardship. It's not uncommon at all for people in long term depth therapy to have periods of anxiety, depression, "nervous breakdowns" and more. So TLDR, it's fair to warn people - but if you really want to change and understand yourself you are probably going to have to face some difficult experiences.
Wow this just make sense! i feel totally related, been a meditator for many years yet my insomnia got worst. Replaced daily meditation with a short nap after lunch and i love it. Now i sleep soo much better with only ocasionally struggles when its an important day ahead, and learned that its better to stand up and just by walking a while around and eating an egg im just ready to sleep again.
I have been meditating for 40 years because I enjoy it., not overdoing it. I practice tai chi and have been in the construction trades for as much time. Want to practice mindfulness? Run power tools all day and still have your fingers after many years in the trades? Have a family and practice compassion for your spouse and kids.
I can relate...I heat with wood so have many hours operating a chain saw.....I have often thought it shares many elements with tai chi......live in the now moment ...pay attention to what you are doing in the present...very relaxing and enjoyable...not rocket science ...I focus on breathing when taking a work break or drifting to sleep.....can't see much harm in that
Been working with power tools over 45 years. Hate and remove table saw and miter saw saftey attchments. Never even knicked a finger and never practiced chi or whatever a minute of my life. Do love my wife and five kids though.
My kundalini has been horrific and I have to say don't go heavy with meditation bc of my experience.
Grief brought mine on when I realized I'd been a Scapegoat and fuel. I had to go through to the end and my conscious mind is hard to occupy.
I'm going through purging symptoms and have been on and off for 7 years.
I've had 3 episodes of psychosis in the hospital and you never know if it might happen again. Take care ❤
These Spiritual Emergencies are VERY real, and it's hard to find therapists who understand. Best to you in your journey, and I wish for you Radical Acceptance for who you are right now and healing. ❤️🙏💞
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Thank you. This Aquarian energy and the Full Moon have been full of downloads.
I'm learning lessons and I have been preparing for many lifetimes I feel. My consciousness has me tapped in.
I wish you well
@@missvikkianne2011 Thank you, and you as well ❤️🙏💞
Maybe you should consult an exorcist
I appreciate you doing RESEARCH to bring me the results. I’m a meditator and I appreciate having the INFORMATION, whether it’s what I want to hear or not!!! I didn’t want to know that meat and dairy is worse for me than plant based, but here I am. I’d rather have the INFORMATION to determine for myself what best fits me and my mental capacity. Thank you!!!!
We have this bias in our culture that says that it is always good to explore hidden dimensions, and that only good things will come of it. But there is a reason for expressions like "curiosity killed the cat" and "when you look into the abyss, it looks back." One must heed warnings about the dangers of opening doors, lest dragons emerge and destroy you. "Repression" is thought by many to be the root of all psychological problems, but as a wise therapist once pointed out to me, there is a reason the mind represses things. Some paths are not meant to be walked.
Agreed. Which is why it’s good to be aware there are dangers.
What she is saying is so true. She’s a hero. And so brave. I for one see you humanity. And thank you!
Thank you for watching.
Hi, when I first started researching meditation, I watched an interview with a very well known guru. He made it clear that the West is not mentally mature enough to cope with the entire experience of meditation, and therefore were originally only taught the 'relaxation" sort of meditation...ie during the Beetles period. Unfortunately, wont define parameter there, western people, needlessly have the drive to monetise everything... and made it something rich housewives do basically and therefore the essence of the practise was lost. The essence being the pineal gland, kundalini, letting go of the self etc etc... Most people dont even have the courage to face their traumas, not to mention those that have blocked the memory, then in their ignorance run into the "practise" with eyes wide shut... I was a aware I would face "my demons", etc etc, also thought I was on the path of healing, to only sort of highlight all the facets of your trauma by showing you exactly how in-depth all the fingers of my trauma basically was managing my life, which left me at a loss as to how to even start the healing while dealing with all my newly labelled, which I obviously wasn't even aware of...ie how we deflect due to this trauma but shown to be so involved in my daily actions, I had and still have no idea how to step into my "enlightened self" and filled with love 24/7, but still trying to unentangle myself from self sabotage on levels that blew my mind... I keep hearing that these people are healed from their trauma so much so, that they live super blessed lives thereafter.... which for the person seeking a less painful existence and bliss, will most likely just revert to a more damaged version of themselves, especially because of the fact that you do withdraw from mainstream life. So yeah one huge catch 22. Ps...religion just requires complaisant followers, where enlightenment is supposed to be like a rebirth..... Watching documentaries from the 40's... all honestly western culture is exactly not that, there was no culture, just a Walt Disney happy Sunday afternoon movie... a whole lot of empty bullshit that we formed values around.... Sorry, I will shut up now.... yeah, I get so freaked out by everything, I just cant be in company anymore... people think im crazy and super weird.... I do feel peoples vibrations now in a weird way, I feel them, know what is causing them pain...not as cool as I thought it would be.... cheers, goodbye from South Africa
Fantastic work you guys are doing. I used to recommend meditation for everyone in the beginning and then later I realized that it can be very damaging if you're not coming at it with the right attitude and energy. I believe that a lot of my issues I have now have arisen from it. I still recommend meditation to people but I always add the caveat that it may not do what they're expecting it to do. I tell them the positives and negatives that I've experienced so that they're aware this isn't some kind of magic pill that just makes everything immediately better. I agree with you both that this is a wonderful tool though it definitely needs a critical and open attitude as it can do some amazing things to a person. It just isn't all sunshine and rainbows.
A much needed perspective. No perspective should be taboo in scientific debate. No perspective.
I'm not really interested in the topic of meditation, but I am fascinated by psychology. Obviously this all ties together, like how she's talking about it's not the "religious experience" itself but how a person interprets it. Did I get that right or am I off base?
Too my understanding, yes, from a very long time meditator and also interested in psychology.
If a person is interested in meditating, please be aware that everyone’s nervous system is different, and therefore, it’s important to find the ideal meditation style for you. Some folks aren’t “built” to just sit still for hours. Others thrive on it. What works for one person will not necessarily work for someone else. However, one of the most powerful ways to do meditation is to seek and sit in silence, ideally outside in nature.
There are so many other ways to embrace consciousness, from walking meditation to dancing, to listening to inspiration with headphones on, painting, using affirmations, reading inspiring writings, etc. It’s called finding your “Flow.” Being in a “flow state” is definitely a form of meditation.
Anything healthy that will move you out of a “busy” mind state for moments is ideal. You want to be able to subvert the chattering mind, so that you can hear what is really going on deep beneath the surface. Meditation reveals truth, regardless of appearances. Nothing else can do this.
Loved it. Thank you for raising these important questions.
hey I like what you do. Keep it up! it seems like you are facing an uphill battle all the time, and you are doing a great job in holding a steady ship. keep it up im happy theres voices like your out there
Uphill both ways!
Thank you Dr. Britton for doing what you do. It is necessary and productive. I see nothing harmful in this. Dont let small minded egocentric people negatively affect you. You are appreciated and valued. You are on the right side of this. Let the haters hate....pity the fools, lol. And Scott, you ve you...hand waving and all. You are doing great work. Thanks for doing this.
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I completely stopped inner monologue after a about a year of meditation. I felt numb and like what’s the point to living? It took me another year to get over that. I’m a person that learns all this stuff in my own so I wasn’t hearing that these were things related to meditation till this very video. Wish I knew this earlier, not that I would have not meditated, but I would have known it wasn’t just in my head
Same here. I didn't even do retreats, I was just doing mindfulness, mostly in movement throughout the day. After months and year or so, I realized, yes I was freed from internal ruminations and anxieties but along that got too numb even for intense emotions and sex so I dropped it for a while. Now I sit for max 40 min at once and do only 1-minute meditations during activities, but it's semi-discursive type of western meditation. It suits me much better, it's much more connected to this world and life. Bikkhu Bodhi or someone like him actually said that Theravada style vipassana meditations will get you renunciate worldly life sooner or later which is ok within Buddhism but is not ok with living this-worldly life. So, purpose of these emptiness practices is complete purging of any clinging and strong emotions and passions. I don't do much of it lately, mostly for a simple calming effect before doing some different, more engaging practices. I found western magick practies like Qabalistic cross or LBRP to have similar effect in much shorter time and don't require intense retreats and hours upon hours of focus to master or gain benefit from. But that's just me.
amazing concept that something can be both 'good' and 'bad' at the same time. yeah, that SHOULD be obvious, but isn't. i did a lot of psychedelics in the 60s. back then, admitting that you had 'a bad trip' was tantamount to a moral flaw. a language emerged which stripped the moral judgments out of the experience. when asked if you were having a 'good' trip, you could sidestep the judgment by saying it was 'heavy'. we talked about 'bad' acid to avoid talking about our failings to accommodate embarrassing inabilities to control the drug. heavy, man...
Throughout my life, I've journeyed to pierce the veil of Maya's grand illusion, seeking truths hidden deep beneath. Now, as clarity dawns and now that i see it for what it truly is, thay call me crazy.
This pretty awesome and necessary. Teaching spiritual techniques has long been corrupt. I found out the hard way too and faced the same hatred. Keep up the good work. We have to practice discernment and embrace our human life.
Thanks!
"It is worth to try" Yes, but for that you need a good teacher or master. But good teachers are very rare and masters almost impossible... Despite the fact that today is almost every "3rd person a spiritual teacher"... :(