Maybe the game need a Christian angled DLC? Where you get more character development for Jeanne. Btw, Zhou Yu is from 3-Kingdom era fighting for Suan Quan/Wu Kingdom ;)
I mean we already have several characters tied to Christianity, so a DLC that might tie into the Shimabara rebellion a bit more could be interesting. And if anything expands on this Jeanne some more could come out, I'd just be so happy. Also I knew where Zhou Yu was from, but not really any details. I've skimmed some information about him and the Romance of the Three Kingdoms online, but not much else. Thanks for informing me!
@@crazycrow9999 romance of the three kingdoms is a really good novel, even to today's standards. But I honestly, don't like how it depicts the people that are not with Liu Bei/Shu-Han kingdom. Zhou Yu was really done dirty there 😭😭 (But ey, at least we have Zhuge Liang Yoloing into Caocaos camp with boats to borrow arrows in it)
Another thing about Yamato Takeru, their "Saberface" design may have to do with the fact that the original legend is often called "Japan's King Arthur" due to the similarities but unique cultural spins of plot beats in their respective legends, which is also reflected in things like Yamato Takeru having the Divine Water illusion to hide the identity of their sword unlike Artoria's Invisible Wind to hide Excalibur. Just a neat little easter egg I found when trying to learn more about who they are and their legend.
They really wanted to drive home the parallels between Artoria and Yamato. In addition to what you said, aother cool detail is the scene where Yamato is first summoned mimicking Artoria's summoning in FSN. And there is also the fact that the way they use their NP's is very similar (even the situations they're used in if I'm remembering Fate Zero right)
I don’t know if I would be that hard on Caster personally. I mean yes he is criminally under used, but I don’t necessarily see his change in motivation to be a bad thing. If we take his apathy towards the Waxing Moon as him being overconfident in his Master’s ability to survive, then his actions in A Ray of Light could be seen as him better accepting the reality of his situation in pursuit of his goals. The in game codex suggests that his obsession comes from the uncertainty surrounding his own existence, so we could say he is subconsciously prioritizing survival over all else and is mode of surviving simply evolves as the situation does. Like I said, really needed screen time and I do realize a lot of this is inferred rather than proven. But honestly I feel what role he was allowed to play in A Ray of Light is part of what make it the best ending of the game.
I considered that angle for caster... after I finished voicing the script. I went into a little more detail on my thoughts about him in another comment so I won't repeat it, but tldr is that I think his problems are resolved with seeing just a little bit more of his perspective. Screen time really seems to be the biggest problem with most of the characters here. A symptom of what could be considered a bloated cast. And I think being able to make inferences about characters is a great trait for a piece of writing to have. In this case at least I think it's a triumph of managing to avoid explicitly stating too much. A Ray of Light is personally my favorite ending. I have a preference for happier endings, and this is where Dorothea, Yui, and Zheng all end up in the best spot.
I find Caster surprisingly charismatic for what he is, and his route I find it more entertaining than the other. He and his actual Master are extremely underutilized though.
It's sad that arjuna is not very used. And my Problem with this, it isn't so that there was no possibility to do so. He is a Person who suffers always to find a path beteween righteousnes and the fight against the evil in the world. How is his opinion on the Ritual and his Outcomes for his Mindset? And also Ushi Gozen/Rider is a desedent of his father who also empoweres her Np. And Fun Fact many Historicer are thinking that casters Inspiration was female. What is prety ironic for the Fate Franchise.
Arjuna has this really weird trait for me where I always almost like him, but for one reason or another he always falls short of being likeable. Really hoping the DLC expands on the rogue servants a little more. And I think that makes Hieda-no-Are (Debatably) the second Female -> Male gender-bend in the franchise behind Red Hare. What an odd club they have there.
The Arjuna slander is crazy. I was happy they gave my boy some time to shine in this game. I feel like he, Circe and Gramps all really benefited from being in the game and it made me appreciate their character more. Besides everyone’s least favorite Indian servant is Rama
Something I really wish I thought to address in the video is that Cu and Arjuna are at the bottom specifically because I feel they didn't really add to the plot in any way. I also don't particularly dislike Arjuna, mostly just think he's bland a lot of the time. Kinda wish I put him above Cu at least. Even though he didn't do anything for the plot I think he had more meaningful interactions with Iori. And damn what did banana man do to you?
Samson does just look a bit like Heracles but I'm glad he differentiates himself from the greatest Greek hero. Still what I would give for a talking Heracles in a fate game
I really appreciate that Samson feels like a nod to Heracles, without feeling like a copy. And I would kill for some more Heracles content, especially if they let him talk!
@@crazycrow9999 seriously like i understand early fgo avoiding him as he will be a good guy and he'd be too strong for the power of the early arcs but man just toss him in now that power creep has gotten so out of hand
I've definitely outed myself on my lack of knowledge of Chinese history. Full disclosure, while I was looking into him I started getting mixed up because of all the Chinese nouns that were coming up. Didn't work out to well...
Haha, well, thankfully this is Koei Tecmo, the pioneers of Dynasty Warriors we’re talking about. They know EXACTLY what to do with Zhou Yu and I’m glad they did him justice in a new way.
I adore Arjuna, but can’t argue with him being deeply under-utilised and probably a poor fit for the game. I always wondered if they needed to fill a certain quota of fgo-plot related servants for tie ins, he is an odd choice
Honestly I wouldn't mind it so much if they actually did more with it since Iori and Arjuna do have some interesting similarities. I would've preferred seeing Tomoe though. Did we really need another couple in Fate that will take several years, if at all, to see reunited?
Pretty good although I do have a few things about some of the characters myself and details from the story line. Compared to what’ve seen in other games Arjuna is actually friendlier from the get go. Without Karna’s mere presence his negative traits don’t come to the surface. Really wished he was used more especially the mayhem his half-sister unleashed on Edo. And Aria I think is a little older but not by much. While seemingly a more kinder offshoot of Tamamo does have a hidden statistic side. Expressing an interest to see his crying face and likes Iori cause while she is possessive knows can’t claim his heart for her own. And yeah I don’t really trust the small stuff in the franchise not from prisms Illya, well mostly. Mainly from fellow Alter Ego Kazuradrop…need I say more except she is bloody terrifying. And onto the Rouge Servants themselves…yeah could have used them more. And as for the brainwashing on them originally, considering two of them are demigods I think the main reason it worked was because they’re significantly weaker. Yoshinaka was out of range at the time and was placed under spell the moment he got close plus his will while Samson broke free of the initial brainwashing from his blessing from God. Onto the special two Rouges. Personally unless the DLC answers best I see it Gilgamesh summoned himself into the war out of boredom and entertainment. Ototachibana-hime and Saber are pretty sweet and the reason people are after her is as the 15 servant and summoned in Kaya she is perhaps the most effective candidate as a proper vessel for the Waxing Moon Grail to work, I mean it did wonders for Chiemon’s wish. Finally Caster, Hidea-no-Are. I actually like him quite a lot. He’s a egomaniac control freak as Japan’s first historian and he is running the Grail War behind the scenes, it’s implied that he posses an imperfect precognition and helped Tsuchimikado make the Ritual into a working order while improving the effectiveness in the background. His goal besides keeping his records is to keep existing as in history, no one knows if Hidea-no-Are actually existed or was a man or woman. That and believes in that history is written by the winners, he would be the winner. Sharing the grail’s wish with his master and seeks to eliminate the remaining Mystery in the world but himself to be on top and face no threats in making sure his recording is correct. I mean it’s reflected with his stats and attacks, aside from helping in recording information he is a basic Caster with limited precognition, photographic memory, and limited reality warping depending on his magic reserves and First Noble Phantasm to create the rules of his battles. And his Second is summoning an effigy of the god created when from Izanagi’s taint from Yomi given form and is the very last resort when everything else fails. Knowing of his limits very well and acts in the background avoiding all conflict unless he knows a good chance he could win or has no choice. Probably if he won Caster would have just been recording the rest of history in the background with nothing to oppose him. Leaving things alone unless something doesn’t act his way. Not the best villain but an interesting take.Still quite like your rankings and can’t wait for the DLC…could do without the long wait though. Heard we might get the first episode next April.
Caster was actually the servant I had the hardest time ranking. At first he was right below Kouga Saburou, then I changed his spot three other times. I think he has the most interesting abilities out of the servant's in the game, and most of my negative feelings stem from wanting to see more of him. The main thing keeping him so low is how passive he appears to be. Even the digression that shows him doing things in the background makes him feel disinterested in the Ritual. If he had a digression that was even as simple as a cutscene displaying more of his POV he would get bumped up a few ranks. I'm really hoping that at least one of the DLCs focuses on expanding on the characters who got limited screen time here, as outside of Cu, I don't think any servant was a bad fit for this game, and seeing more of what they think about the waxing moon ritual wouldn't be unwelcome.
@@crazycrow9999Honestly as an Arjuna fan (yes we exist, hello), I feel like the main Fate scenario writers (esp Nasu, I'm fully blaming that mushroom) just have something against him (and the Pandavan brothers in general) and a VERY VISIBLE Kauravan bias Even in FGO, it took them YEARS to actually showcase and develop his personality (and this is in events, not main storyline) In EXTELLA:LINK, he's still tied to Karna; here, he was severely underutilized. Seriously compared to main Fate canons, side materials (Turas Realta, FGO Events, FGO Anthology) treats him way kinder with a more fleshed out character and traits
Yeah I've never really thought Arjuna was a bad character, just one who really doesn't ever get the spotlight. Despite how I may have come off in the video I do like Arjuna, just not very much. The weird thing is every time he does show up in something I almost really like him, but for one reason or another he doesn't ever fully click with me.
Preach it about caster being a boring villain at least chiemon is a good villian really the other thing is even zheng is a better villain than castor and he wanted the waxing moon for right reasons only problem was caster got in his head with false hopes and promises
I have one other complaint about Ototachibana-hime, throughout the game she is referred to as the 15th servant (why that’s important, I don’t know) but she isn’t the 15th, she’s the 16th because Gil exists. Now I have a few theories but still it’s never explained.
Not a bad idea, but unlikely since Musashi has a master. And since we see the command spells get used on Musashi we can confirm that's the case. Osakabehime is the 15th or 16th which makes sense as she is the third caster in the ritual. And Gil is a total enigma actually. The funny thing is if they referred to Osakabehime as the 16th servant everything logically checks out.
Nice list, dont fully agree on some things like Jalter and Cu not being fun to play as, found them far more fun to play than both Assassin's, and Arjuna. Aria has a nice design, and a sweet digression but her voice is grating and her gameplay is non existent other than buffs which is boring, so I have her near the bottom of the list. Samson was characterized really well, but his boss fights were not fun especially his first one.
Zhou Yu is not a strategist of Han, but of Wu. Also Ototachibana-hime being so high is a crime. She should be as low as Arjuna and Cu. And lastly what do you mean Jeanne's gameplay isn't fun. She is much more fun to control then Saber(Takeru, not Gigachad Yoshinaka who is my favorite to use)
It's all personal opinion at the end of the day, but I really can't fault anyone for not liking Ototachibana-hime, who's more plot device than character. I admitted myself that her placement is due to how much I like Saber, and she's nice to Saber. And the thing with Jeanne really is that she just didn't click with me, which is a shame since I think her attacks have great visual flair. As for getting the info about Zhou Yu wrong... yeah that's just me being unfamiliar with the Three Kingdoms, and Chinese history at all for that matter. Working on fixing that!
@@crazycrow9999 Good think Jeanne clicked for me gameplay wise. I liked Saber gameplay at first before it got really repetitive and boring for me and I welcomed any chance to use rogues over Takeru. I am so glad that there will be update soon where we will get to play as all playable servants freely. Wonder if it will just be battles that they were in, or maybe all boss fights will be playable as any servants(which wouldn't be hard since gameplay for every character fits for that to be the case). I just wamore Jeanne and Musha Saber.
interesting tier, for me jeanne is the best servant in the game xD that melanchonlic, emo and sad jeanne hit me a lot hope they made her more playable in some arena modes or something
Jeanne's aesthetic is great in this game. I don't have a drastic change in opinion between most of the servants in the ranking, at minimum I enjoyed everyone. And we definitely need some added ways to play as the servants!
@@crazycrow9999 yeah i need to play her in some game mode or something, i like saber and the other too of course for me the second place is for circe xD but i have my favorites
It's really strange it didn't release with a mode like that. I'm not the biggest Musou guy but I'm pretty sure the cast is normally the main draw with games like this, so it's weird how limited using servants can feel in the game
I'm still annoyed they didn't add her to Extella Link like she was originally planned for. She was slotted as one of the extra unfilled rooms but the devs just gave up and abandoned the game.
That game is very fun. My only gripes being that a lot is locked behind the New Game + and the 'true ending' is lackluster. It was also really fun to see Iori slowly develop into a pseudo Musashi in real time and seeing their move set mirror each others so well.
There isn't a "true" ending. They're all true - just as Mushashi can travel between realities, each ending happens in a parellel reality. I know you put "true ending" in quotation marks, but the term is still being used. I don't understand why.
@@lindavance5526 Because generally, in that kind of games and in visual novel terms, the new game+ ending / the last unlockable ending is the 'true ending' that the greater franchise take into acount.
I don't mind Iori's unhinged qualities don't get explored the first time through (The video I'm working on will actually go into that a bit.) But I cannot understand why they'd lock up as many of the digressions as they did. The biggest offender is Zhou Yu, since those extra scenes showing his and Zheng's bond would make his death scene so much more impactful. Also I really liked the "Entreat the darkness ending" (I wish it could be as a simple as a true ending, would save me the trouble of remembering the names.) But it does kinda suck that the most inaccessible ending is the one with the least content...
@@balrogdemorgoth4741 The creator of the series said that there is no "true" ending in this one. I think that's all there needs to be said regarding this issue.
@@crazycrow9999 Well that's the thing though: Iori doesn't have "unhinged" qualities in at least one of the three timelines. And in one of the three, he ultimately rejects his desire to be the best for the love of his sister and desire to protect the people of Edo. There is one "bad" ending, yet people act like that's the canon ending because it's only accessable from NG+. That doesn't mean it's any more or less canon than the others. It means that people prefer it for whatever number of reasons. I'm not the only one who thinks that mentality is getting a bit old. I'm not saying you specifically think this way; but plenty of people do, and it's canonically incorrect to view it as the canon or "true" ending when they're all canon and all true. People are free to have their favorite ending, but to pretend it's more valid than the others is egotistical, or ignorant. Either you're ignoring what the creator of the series said (egotistical) or you have no idea what the creator of the series said (ignorant).
Assassin is really a lot of wasted potential.....Dorothea is by far my favorite Master, and their interactions are always amazing, but I really can't understand why he would stand against her after apparently being a great duo (hopefully the DLC gives us a bit more insight on this), hell IMO they could've easily been one of the last two survivors if the war went as normal simply because there isn't much anti-Divinity around, Musashi is on a timer, and Yoshinaka can easily slap Ushi Gozen around, though likely not winning because of Saber being basically a hard counter. His Noble Phantasm is the most unique, unlike everyone else who just does "generic big nuke attack" he changes his entire moveset for a bit....but the form he assumes isn't exactly the greatest to look at and while it does feel good to juggle enemies with the strong attacks, it's nothing that wasn't already possible with other characters. And while I really like his first heavy attack, it's an amazing offensive repositioning tool, the rest of his kit is just.....awkward
As much as I loved this game, wasted potential could be applied to half the characters in the game. Assassin is kinda the flip in the script for the video where I become almost entirely positive. His design is so damn good I really just want the DLC or FGO or anything to expand on him some more. One of my favorite things about this particular grail war is how level the playing field was. Every duo felt like they were involved the whole way through, which can be a tough thing to achieve. Honestly the only masters I couldn't see winning this would be Zheng and Tsuchimikado. I really loved Dorothea as well, so fingers crossed that she and assassing get more screen time in the DLC
@@crazycrow9999 The problem is that all the other pairs revolve around Iori and Saber. Other Masters and Servants don't even fight each other outside rare digressions. Furthermore, in one of the routes Iori has what, 4 allied Masters? That's insane. No other "normal" Grail war depends on the protag team advancing the plot aside from maybe Fragments. And just like in Fragments you need to make everyone else (including Jeanne and Musashi) look incompetent (and when they're allowed to do something cool, make it inconsequential) so that Iori and Takeru would look good in comparison. But then the writers went so overboard that Iori and Takeru's victory doesn't feel rewarding because everyone is so weak and non-threatening.
Arjuna has one, very little significance to Iori's character, which is related to "that" ending. But it's redundant with everything else other characters keep saying so yeah... bottom tier of relevance (I would place Cu below him though. This guy is cool but has no business being there except fanservice)
Personally, I don't mind Tamamo or Prisma Illya. I hate the sterotype, but I don't associate age with art. However, Prisma Illya unironically made small characters in Type-moon so SUSPICIOUS. Also, fun fact FSN Illya canonically is Chloe... I'm not joking. Illya without trauma would just be Chloe...💦
Ehhh... I think a truly bloodlusted Miyamoto Musashi could beat Samson. Right after the fight with Samson, Miyamoto comments about the power of Assassin: saying something along the lines of "I haven't felt such a quiver of raw power in a long time." Obviously she wants to fight Assassin because of his strength -- and this is right after her fight with Samson. So why cut Samson's hair instread of having Mushashi kill him? 1) Story. There's a lot of setup to this: if there is no payoff, the story is lobsided and unnecessary. 2) Preventing collateral damage to the town. 3) Respect for God - "imagine a man blessed by all the gods and Buddhas." 4) Correct me if I'm wrong, but Musashi wasn't powered up with Takao's "Command" ability. I'm not trying to downplay Samson -- dude is incredibly powerful and actually a nice man. I just have a hard time believing that someone who (in the future) cuts the Void would lose to a rogue Heroic Spirit.
Musashi is the type to overcome whatever is in front of her, so it certainly wouldn't be odd to see her beat Samson normally. But as you pointed out, narratively that would have been unsatisfying. I'd still say Musashi would lose the fight since, during the fight Zhou Yu and Musashi team up against Samson, Zhou Yu remarks that if Musashi keeps fighting she will damage her spirit core. Having said that, a full power Musashi being backed by Dayu's command spells could probably get the job done. It's not even unfeasible that Musashi could cut Samson's blessing, can't be too different from cutting karma I think. So yeah it pretty much comes down to what the writer wants since power-scaling in this franchise is relatively flexible.
I could be totally wrong about this, but I think there is a case to be made that Samson could beat Musashi due to the belief in his strength. Maybe this is just me, but concepts like "cutting the Void" seem too abstract to me to put much stock in. Samson's feats of strength, on the other hand, are recorded in Scripture that still-practicing religions would never dare question the authenticity of.
@@KigaiOkasu One practical application of "cutting the Void" is the ability to remove causality. While that is described in-game as the ability to reverse karma, eliminate ill luck, and break hexes, the ability to remove causality infers far more than that! I personally believe Samson was a historical figure who really was blessed by God with abnormal strength. I also doubt Samson's hair was green. Regardless, I fail to see how either have any bearing on a video game's lore. I think F:SR was very respectful of both Samson and God -- even going so far as to say that being blessed by God is "like being blessed by every one of the gods and Buddhas." Of course, if God blesses Samson (meaning that God exists in that game, that universe) then God also created the elements and the Void, etc... I don't see much difference between the "source" except that Samson is more directly from God rather than indirectly. That doesn't mean he automatically wins - he would absolutely get dominated by Gilgamesh, for example.
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Maybe the game need a Christian angled DLC? Where you get more character development for Jeanne.
Btw, Zhou Yu is from 3-Kingdom era fighting for Suan Quan/Wu Kingdom ;)
I mean we already have several characters tied to Christianity, so a DLC that might tie into the Shimabara rebellion a bit more could be interesting. And if anything expands on this Jeanne some more could come out, I'd just be so happy.
Also I knew where Zhou Yu was from, but not really any details. I've skimmed some information about him and the Romance of the Three Kingdoms online, but not much else. Thanks for informing me!
@@crazycrow9999 romance of the three kingdoms is a really good novel, even to today's standards. But I honestly, don't like how it depicts the people that are not with Liu Bei/Shu-Han kingdom. Zhou Yu was really done dirty there 😭😭 (But ey, at least we have Zhuge Liang Yoloing into Caocaos camp with boats to borrow arrows in it)
Is it samson from a bible story
@@wolfyfluff7585 yupp
Arjuna being alone and keeping distance from interaction is the most arjuna thing ever, nothing wrong there XD
Another thing about Yamato Takeru, their "Saberface" design may have to do with the fact that the original legend is often called "Japan's King Arthur" due to the similarities but unique cultural spins of plot beats in their respective legends, which is also reflected in things like Yamato Takeru having the Divine Water illusion to hide the identity of their sword unlike Artoria's Invisible Wind to hide Excalibur. Just a neat little easter egg I found when trying to learn more about who they are and their legend.
They really wanted to drive home the parallels between Artoria and Yamato. In addition to what you said, aother cool detail is the scene where Yamato is first summoned mimicking Artoria's summoning in FSN. And there is also the fact that the way they use their NP's is very similar (even the situations they're used in if I'm remembering Fate Zero right)
I don’t know if I would be that hard on Caster personally. I mean yes he is criminally under used, but I don’t necessarily see his change in motivation to be a bad thing. If we take his apathy towards the Waxing Moon as him being overconfident in his Master’s ability to survive, then his actions in A Ray of Light could be seen as him better accepting the reality of his situation in pursuit of his goals. The in game codex suggests that his obsession comes from the uncertainty surrounding his own existence, so we could say he is subconsciously prioritizing survival over all else and is mode of surviving simply evolves as the situation does.
Like I said, really needed screen time and I do realize a lot of this is inferred rather than proven. But honestly I feel what role he was allowed to play in A Ray of Light is part of what make it the best ending of the game.
I considered that angle for caster... after I finished voicing the script. I went into a little more detail on my thoughts about him in another comment so I won't repeat it, but tldr is that I think his problems are resolved with seeing just a little bit more of his perspective.
Screen time really seems to be the biggest problem with most of the characters here. A symptom of what could be considered a bloated cast. And I think being able to make inferences about characters is a great trait for a piece of writing to have. In this case at least I think it's a triumph of managing to avoid explicitly stating too much. A Ray of Light is personally my favorite ending. I have a preference for happier endings, and this is where Dorothea, Yui, and Zheng all end up in the best spot.
I find Caster surprisingly charismatic for what he is, and his route I find it more entertaining than the other. He and his actual Master are extremely underutilized though.
I think the caster class should have been ashiya douman
@@Todd-Alquist That would be a twisted pairing, yep. But the Caster we got is a nice addition.
Absolutely adored this vid, most everything here was agreeable and well-reasoned. Can’t wait to see more stuff from you
Glad you enjoyed!
It's sad that arjuna is not very used. And my Problem with this, it isn't so that there was no possibility to do so. He is a Person who suffers always to find a path beteween righteousnes and the fight against the evil in the world. How is his opinion on the Ritual and his Outcomes for his Mindset? And also Ushi Gozen/Rider is a desedent of his father who also empoweres her Np. And Fun Fact many Historicer are thinking that casters Inspiration was female. What is prety ironic for the Fate Franchise.
Arjuna has this really weird trait for me where I always almost like him, but for one reason or another he always falls short of being likeable. Really hoping the DLC expands on the rogue servants a little more. And I think that makes Hieda-no-Are (Debatably) the second Female -> Male gender-bend in the franchise behind Red Hare. What an odd club they have there.
To defend Gilgamesh a bit, if he DID get involved in the plot, he’d end it so fast that there would be absolutely no stakes whatsoever.
Worst part about Samurai/Remnant:
It made me realize I suck at pronouncing Chinese names
The Arjuna slander is crazy. I was happy they gave my boy some time to shine in this game. I feel like he, Circe and Gramps all really benefited from being in the game and it made me appreciate their character more.
Besides everyone’s least favorite Indian servant is Rama
Something I really wish I thought to address in the video is that Cu and Arjuna are at the bottom specifically because I feel they didn't really add to the plot in any way. I also don't particularly dislike Arjuna, mostly just think he's bland a lot of the time. Kinda wish I put him above Cu at least. Even though he didn't do anything for the plot I think he had more meaningful interactions with Iori.
And damn what did banana man do to you?
Samson does just look a bit like Heracles but I'm glad he differentiates himself from the greatest Greek hero. Still what I would give for a talking Heracles in a fate game
I really appreciate that Samson feels like a nod to Heracles, without feeling like a copy. And I would kill for some more Heracles content, especially if they let him talk!
@@crazycrow9999 seriously like i understand early fgo avoiding him as he will be a good guy and he'd be too strong for the power of the early arcs but man just toss him in now that power creep has gotten so out of hand
I have to admit i was not a fan of Yamato at first, but they surely became one of my favorites in the game.
Honestly the game is split between characters I enjoy and characters that I nearly enjoy. Pretty happy with the cast overall!
Zhouyu is a strategist from the 3 kingdoms dynasty idk about "strategist of the han thing"
I've definitely outed myself on my lack of knowledge of Chinese history. Full disclosure, while I was looking into him I started getting mixed up because of all the Chinese nouns that were coming up. Didn't work out to well...
Haha, well, thankfully this is Koei Tecmo, the pioneers of Dynasty Warriors we’re talking about. They know EXACTLY what to do with Zhou Yu and I’m glad they did him justice in a new way.
I have no idea what this is but the algorithm brought me so here I am 🎊
How do you get more endings???? I got the chime on one. Please help me
I do not blame him prisma illya has me worried about any small characters
I have been mentally scarred
How dare you we don't talk about Delilah
I adore Arjuna, but can’t argue with him being deeply under-utilised and probably a poor fit for the game. I always wondered if they needed to fill a certain quota of fgo-plot related servants for tie ins, he is an odd choice
Honestly I wouldn't mind it so much if they actually did more with it since Iori and Arjuna do have some interesting similarities. I would've preferred seeing Tomoe though. Did we really need another couple in Fate that will take several years, if at all, to see reunited?
naw cuz Jeanne Alter being a Lancer instead of Avenger had me rolling.
They couldve replaced arjuna with tomoe or emiya or anyone and they wouldve had a better chemistry hell even artoria archer wouldve been better imo
I've actually warmed up to Arjuna since releasing this video, but even with that in mind I really wouldn't say he was the best pick here
Pretty good although I do have a few things about some of the characters myself and details from the story line.
Compared to what’ve seen in other games Arjuna is actually friendlier from the get go. Without Karna’s mere presence his negative traits don’t come to the surface. Really wished he was used more especially the mayhem his half-sister unleashed on Edo.
And Aria I think is a little older but not by much. While seemingly a more kinder offshoot of Tamamo does have a hidden statistic side. Expressing an interest to see his crying face and likes Iori cause while she is possessive knows can’t claim his heart for her own. And yeah I don’t really trust the small stuff in the franchise not from prisms Illya, well mostly.
Mainly from fellow Alter Ego Kazuradrop…need I say more except she is bloody terrifying.
And onto the Rouge Servants themselves…yeah could have used them more. And as for the brainwashing on them originally, considering two of them are demigods I think the main reason it worked was because they’re significantly weaker. Yoshinaka was out of range at the time and was placed under spell the moment he got close plus his will while Samson broke free of the initial brainwashing from his blessing from God.
Onto the special two Rouges. Personally unless the DLC answers best I see it Gilgamesh summoned himself into the war out of boredom and entertainment. Ototachibana-hime and Saber are pretty sweet and the reason people are after her is as the 15 servant and summoned in Kaya she is perhaps the most effective candidate as a proper vessel for the Waxing Moon Grail to work, I mean it did wonders for Chiemon’s wish.
Finally Caster, Hidea-no-Are. I actually like him quite a lot.
He’s a egomaniac control freak as Japan’s first historian and he is running the Grail War behind the scenes, it’s implied that he posses an imperfect precognition and helped Tsuchimikado make the Ritual into a working order while improving the effectiveness in the background. His goal besides keeping his records is to keep existing as in history, no one knows if Hidea-no-Are actually existed or was a man or woman. That and believes in that history is written by the winners, he would be the winner. Sharing the grail’s wish with his master and seeks to eliminate the remaining Mystery in the world but himself to be on top and face no threats in making sure his recording is correct.
I mean it’s reflected with his stats and attacks, aside from helping in recording information he is a basic Caster with limited precognition, photographic memory, and limited reality warping depending on his magic reserves and First Noble Phantasm to create the rules of his battles. And his Second is summoning an effigy of the god created when from Izanagi’s taint from Yomi given form and is the very last resort when everything else fails.
Knowing of his limits very well and acts in the background avoiding all conflict unless he knows a good chance he could win or has no choice. Probably if he won Caster would have just been recording the rest of history in the background with nothing to oppose him. Leaving things alone unless something doesn’t act his way.
Not the best villain but an interesting take.Still quite like your rankings and can’t wait for the DLC…could do without the long wait though. Heard we might get the first episode next April.
Caster was actually the servant I had the hardest time ranking. At first he was right below Kouga Saburou, then I changed his spot three other times. I think he has the most interesting abilities out of the servant's in the game, and most of my negative feelings stem from wanting to see more of him. The main thing keeping him so low is how passive he appears to be. Even the digression that shows him doing things in the background makes him feel disinterested in the Ritual. If he had a digression that was even as simple as a cutscene displaying more of his POV he would get bumped up a few ranks.
I'm really hoping that at least one of the DLCs focuses on expanding on the characters who got limited screen time here, as outside of Cu, I don't think any servant was a bad fit for this game, and seeing more of what they think about the waxing moon ritual wouldn't be unwelcome.
@@crazycrow9999Honestly as an Arjuna fan (yes we exist, hello), I feel like the main Fate scenario writers (esp Nasu, I'm fully blaming that mushroom) just have something against him (and the Pandavan brothers in general) and a VERY VISIBLE Kauravan bias
Even in FGO, it took them YEARS to actually showcase and develop his personality (and this is in events, not main storyline)
In EXTELLA:LINK, he's still tied to Karna; here, he was severely underutilized.
Seriously compared to main Fate canons, side materials (Turas Realta, FGO Events, FGO Anthology) treats him way kinder with a more fleshed out character and traits
Yeah I've never really thought Arjuna was a bad character, just one who really doesn't ever get the spotlight. Despite how I may have come off in the video I do like Arjuna, just not very much. The weird thing is every time he does show up in something I almost really like him, but for one reason or another he doesn't ever fully click with me.
Preach it about caster being a boring villain at least chiemon is a good villian really the other thing is even zheng is a better villain than castor and he wanted the waxing moon for right reasons only problem was caster got in his head with false hopes and promises
Archer np is just the same as atalante, i wish they make it more special.
I have one other complaint about Ototachibana-hime, throughout the game she is referred to as the 15th servant (why that’s important, I don’t know) but she isn’t the 15th, she’s the 16th because Gil exists. Now I have a few theories but still it’s never explained.
Details like that are actually why I have high hopes for the DLC. A good few things left to dig into.
Actually the 16th is most likely musashi because of her unique situation.
Not a bad idea, but unlikely since Musashi has a master. And since we see the command spells get used on Musashi we can confirm that's the case. Osakabehime is the 15th or 16th which makes sense as she is the third caster in the ritual. And Gil is a total enigma actually. The funny thing is if they referred to Osakabehime as the 16th servant everything logically checks out.
I honestly think the characters don't want to include Gil for obvious strongest reasons. Imagine if Yui told Chiemon to kidnap Gilgamesh
Can I see the universe where he tries that? I'd really love to how that plays out
aaaw damn.. i was expecting to ushiwakamaru appears in this game..
We're getting some DLC in April, so there's still hope for her!
Nice list, dont fully agree on some things like Jalter and Cu not being fun to play as, found them far more fun to play than both Assassin's, and Arjuna.
Aria has a nice design, and a sweet digression but her voice is grating and her gameplay is non existent other than buffs which is boring, so I have her near the bottom of the list. Samson was characterized really well, but his boss fights were not fun especially his first one.
Zhou Yu is not a strategist of Han, but of Wu.
Also Ototachibana-hime being so high is a crime. She should be as low as Arjuna and Cu.
And lastly what do you mean Jeanne's gameplay isn't fun. She is much more fun to control then Saber(Takeru, not Gigachad Yoshinaka who is my favorite to use)
It's all personal opinion at the end of the day, but I really can't fault anyone for not liking Ototachibana-hime, who's more plot device than character. I admitted myself that her placement is due to how much I like Saber, and she's nice to Saber. And the thing with Jeanne really is that she just didn't click with me, which is a shame since I think her attacks have great visual flair.
As for getting the info about Zhou Yu wrong... yeah that's just me being unfamiliar with the Three Kingdoms, and Chinese history at all for that matter. Working on fixing that!
@@crazycrow9999 Good think Jeanne clicked for me gameplay wise. I liked Saber gameplay at first before it got really repetitive and boring for me and I welcomed any chance to use rogues over Takeru.
I am so glad that there will be update soon where we will get to play as all playable servants freely. Wonder if it will just be battles that they were in, or maybe all boss fights will be playable as any servants(which wouldn't be hard since gameplay for every character fits for that to be the case).
I just wamore Jeanne and Musha Saber.
interesting tier, for me jeanne is the best servant in the game xD that melanchonlic, emo and sad jeanne hit me a lot hope they made her more playable in some arena modes or something
Jeanne's aesthetic is great in this game. I don't have a drastic change in opinion between most of the servants in the ranking, at minimum I enjoyed everyone. And we definitely need some added ways to play as the servants!
@@crazycrow9999 yeah i need to play her in some game mode or something, i like saber and the other too of course for me the second place is for circe xD but i have my favorites
It's really strange it didn't release with a mode like that. I'm not the biggest Musou guy but I'm pretty sure the cast is normally the main draw with games like this, so it's weird how limited using servants can feel in the game
I'm still annoyed they didn't add her to Extella Link like she was originally planned for. She was slotted as one of the extra unfilled rooms but the devs just gave up and abandoned the game.
That game is very fun. My only gripes being that a lot is locked behind the New Game + and the 'true ending' is lackluster. It was also really fun to see Iori slowly develop into a pseudo Musashi in real time and seeing their move set mirror each others so well.
There isn't a "true" ending. They're all true - just as Mushashi can travel between realities, each ending happens in a parellel reality.
I know you put "true ending" in quotation marks, but the term is still being used. I don't understand why.
@@lindavance5526 Because generally, in that kind of games and in visual novel terms, the new game+ ending / the last unlockable ending is the 'true ending' that the greater franchise take into acount.
I don't mind Iori's unhinged qualities don't get explored the first time through (The video I'm working on will actually go into that a bit.) But I cannot understand why they'd lock up as many of the digressions as they did. The biggest offender is Zhou Yu, since those extra scenes showing his and Zheng's bond would make his death scene so much more impactful.
Also I really liked the "Entreat the darkness ending" (I wish it could be as a simple as a true ending, would save me the trouble of remembering the names.) But it does kinda suck that the most inaccessible ending is the one with the least content...
@@balrogdemorgoth4741 The creator of the series said that there is no "true" ending in this one. I think that's all there needs to be said regarding this issue.
@@crazycrow9999 Well that's the thing though: Iori doesn't have "unhinged" qualities in at least one of the three timelines. And in one of the three, he ultimately rejects his desire to be the best for the love of his sister and desire to protect the people of Edo.
There is one "bad" ending, yet people act like that's the canon ending because it's only accessable from NG+. That doesn't mean it's any more or less canon than the others. It means that people prefer it for whatever number of reasons.
I'm not the only one who thinks that mentality is getting a bit old. I'm not saying you specifically think this way; but plenty of people do, and it's canonically incorrect to view it as the canon or "true" ending when they're all canon and all true.
People are free to have their favorite ending, but to pretend it's more valid than the others is egotistical, or ignorant. Either you're ignoring what the creator of the series said (egotistical) or you have no idea what the creator of the series said (ignorant).
Assassin is really a lot of wasted potential.....Dorothea is by far my favorite Master, and their interactions are always amazing, but I really can't understand why he would stand against her after apparently being a great duo (hopefully the DLC gives us a bit more insight on this), hell IMO they could've easily been one of the last two survivors if the war went as normal simply because there isn't much anti-Divinity around, Musashi is on a timer, and Yoshinaka can easily slap Ushi Gozen around, though likely not winning because of Saber being basically a hard counter. His Noble Phantasm is the most unique, unlike everyone else who just does "generic big nuke attack" he changes his entire moveset for a bit....but the form he assumes isn't exactly the greatest to look at and while it does feel good to juggle enemies with the strong attacks, it's nothing that wasn't already possible with other characters. And while I really like his first heavy attack, it's an amazing offensive repositioning tool, the rest of his kit is just.....awkward
As much as I loved this game, wasted potential could be applied to half the characters in the game. Assassin is kinda the flip in the script for the video where I become almost entirely positive. His design is so damn good I really just want the DLC or FGO or anything to expand on him some more.
One of my favorite things about this particular grail war is how level the playing field was. Every duo felt like they were involved the whole way through, which can be a tough thing to achieve. Honestly the only masters I couldn't see winning this would be Zheng and Tsuchimikado. I really loved Dorothea as well, so fingers crossed that she and assassing get more screen time in the DLC
@@crazycrow9999 The problem is that all the other pairs revolve around Iori and Saber. Other Masters and Servants don't even fight each other outside rare digressions. Furthermore, in one of the routes Iori has what, 4 allied Masters? That's insane. No other "normal" Grail war depends on the protag team advancing the plot aside from maybe Fragments. And just like in Fragments you need to make everyone else (including Jeanne and Musashi) look incompetent (and when they're allowed to do something cool, make it inconsequential) so that Iori and Takeru would look good in comparison. But then the writers went so overboard that Iori and Takeru's victory doesn't feel rewarding because everyone is so weak and non-threatening.
Arjuna has one, very little significance to Iori's character, which is related to "that" ending. But it's redundant with everything else other characters keep saying so yeah... bottom tier of relevance (I would place Cu below him though. This guy is cool but has no business being there except fanservice)
Maybe some Karna dlc😂
Personally, I don't mind Tamamo or Prisma Illya. I hate the sterotype, but I don't associate age with art. However, Prisma Illya unironically made small characters in Type-moon so SUSPICIOUS.
Also, fun fact FSN Illya canonically is Chloe... I'm not joking. Illya without trauma would just be Chloe...💦
Ehhh... I think a truly bloodlusted Miyamoto Musashi could beat Samson. Right after the fight with Samson, Miyamoto comments about the power of Assassin: saying something along the lines of "I haven't felt such a quiver of raw power in a long time."
Obviously she wants to fight Assassin because of his strength -- and this is right after her fight with Samson.
So why cut Samson's hair instread of having Mushashi kill him?
1) Story. There's a lot of setup to this: if there is no payoff, the story is lobsided and unnecessary.
2) Preventing collateral damage to the town.
3) Respect for God - "imagine a man blessed by all the gods and Buddhas."
4) Correct me if I'm wrong, but Musashi wasn't powered up with Takao's "Command" ability.
I'm not trying to downplay Samson -- dude is incredibly powerful and actually a nice man. I just have a hard time believing that someone who (in the future) cuts the Void would lose to a rogue Heroic Spirit.
Musashi is the type to overcome whatever is in front of her, so it certainly wouldn't be odd to see her beat Samson normally. But as you pointed out, narratively that would have been unsatisfying. I'd still say Musashi would lose the fight since, during the fight Zhou Yu and Musashi team up against Samson, Zhou Yu remarks that if Musashi keeps fighting she will damage her spirit core.
Having said that, a full power Musashi being backed by Dayu's command spells could probably get the job done. It's not even unfeasible that Musashi could cut Samson's blessing, can't be too different from cutting karma I think. So yeah it pretty much comes down to what the writer wants since power-scaling in this franchise is relatively flexible.
I could be totally wrong about this, but I think there is a case to be made that Samson could beat Musashi due to the belief in his strength. Maybe this is just me, but concepts like "cutting the Void" seem too abstract to me to put much stock in. Samson's feats of strength, on the other hand, are recorded in Scripture that still-practicing religions would never dare question the authenticity of.
@@KigaiOkasu One practical application of
"cutting the Void" is the ability to remove causality.
While that is described in-game as the ability to reverse karma, eliminate ill luck, and break hexes, the ability to remove causality infers far more than that!
I personally believe Samson was a historical figure who really was blessed by God with abnormal strength. I also doubt Samson's hair was green. Regardless, I fail to see how either have any bearing on a video game's lore.
I think F:SR was very respectful of both Samson and God -- even going so far as to say that being blessed by God is "like being blessed by every one of the gods and Buddhas." Of course, if God blesses Samson (meaning that God exists in that game, that universe) then God also created the elements and the Void, etc... I don't see much difference between the "source" except that Samson is more directly from God rather than indirectly. That doesn't mean he automatically wins - he would absolutely get dominated by Gilgamesh, for example.