I still remember when this guy was the posterboy for the assassin class in the publicity leading up to FGO's initial launch. Then the game dropped and he turned out to be a vastly inferior assassin to even 1-star Kojirou.
I still believe the worst low-star assassin is Sanson, next is this guy. Atleast Jekyll's useful when he unleashes NP, otherwise it's trash for some of the hard content of FGO
@@gabsterrivera5674 Hyde is dealing with Jekyll's bad attack stat. The Buster steroid from his NP is nice, but it's only a 2 buster deck. Besides, his only real niche is Grail Front. As an Assassin, Jekyll loses to Kojiro and Sanson. As a Berserker, Hyde loses to Spartacus and Kiyo
His most glaring issue is the fact he can use his NP only once. What if it had another effect? For example, when Hyde gets dropped to zero HP, he turns back into Jekyll. Then Jekyll can use NP to turn into Hyde again. That would give him unique survivability and made Hyde's arts cards usable. He would still be jank but maybe more fun.
Another Idea on top of that what if he gets to use his NP again to unlock his werewolf form from fate prototype, which boosts his abilities even further and gives him some form of survivability. That way it’s just a race to get his np, then survive as Hyde long enough to evolve into a solo berzerker unit.
It's a real shame Jekyll is as bad as he is in FGO; in Prototype, where he was summoned as a Berserker from the getgo. he was ridiculously strong-his Hyde form was a sort of shadowy wolf monster with a Shapeshifting skill so potent that he could close wounds near-instantly just by moving flesh around, to say nothing of its offensive uses. IIRC it took Arash, Ozymandias, and one or two other Servants to put Proto!Hyde down after he went off the rails. FGO did this man *dirty.*
its crazy how these old stories can still hold up to this day. Listening to Fino tell the story of Jekyll and Hyde had me spooked. And not in the FGO way. Good shit Fino I love these additional lore drops on servants.
As someone who has lv 120 jekyll i still wish instead of giving him a battery they updated his np so it gives un-purgable buffs and changed his cards to buster
Or give him a 2 turn unpurgable berserker characteristic and a 10k hp buff with a huge buster steroid and changing his deck to all buster. After the 2 turns he gets stunned for 1 turn and then gets a massive heal and defense buff that lasts for 1 turn.
@@GS_CCC That's every NP that isn't an AOE. so saying that THAT's the problem for him is kinda ridiculous. Single target or support NP is not for farming.
@@HellecticMojo False, a lot of servants can farm by having good skills to support the team. And with the addition of Ordeal Call even STs can farm the 1 Enemy 1T nodes up to 3 times a day. He is simply a servant with no NP and no skills that is his problem, he is not unique in that department it is just that there is no one to cope about him.
Using his story as a basis, it’d be cool if his gimmick was switching repeatedly back and forth between his two forms, because switching would give him great buffs but eventually he’d get stuck in Hyde and massively weakened. Sort like how Oberon is great at 1 turning. Or how about, Since Hyde used Jekyll as a means to literally hide away maybe Jekyll could be great at surviving and Hyde is a pure glass cannon and you have to manage switching between the two using his skills and NP
As much as I've seen references to this story, this is the first time I'm hearing the whole thing. I somehow never thought to look at the full story or synopsis before. Storytime with Fino has been such a fun addendum to these Servant reviews!
Next the legendary inshun guide. I've heard from sources he's the guy called the "cu-kiiller" and was singlehandedly the reason cu had to get like a million buffs to even keep up. He could solo one shot gotia. Beat every bar of ort and not just an example of overhyped garbage that is the results of the community repeating something enough times that they make it canon in their minds like lore
Hozoin Inshun is NOT bad, he is amazing, the only reason he doesn't see play is because you absolutely must build a whole team around him. Honestly, Skadi in particular has the best buffs you can hope for: Quick up, Crit up, and Battery. (Of course, Skadi has has everything but survival, but those three buffs are the most impactful on a dps) You can make a very viable team that revolves around Inshun with those buffs and supports that synergize with said buffs. In that kind of team, Inshun is absolutely bonkers, I'd dare say in average he is Super Orion bonkers. And we know how powerful Super Orion is.
@@IC-23 i don't think he is that strong, super orion can work with suboptimal supports, where as hozoin struggles alot with sub optimal supports, as for him being a cu killer, its kinda proven that was over hyped because cu can do things hozoin fails at even before his buffs, just because he could outlast him. As for peak power i can 100% understand how he could rival super orion when under his optimal conditions but its not exactly perfect
@@IC-23 The thing is Super Orion doesn't need Merlin or Vitch to be usuable. Meanwhile you need a lot of thing falling in line beside just having Skadi so that Ishun can have a few miniute of glory. You can build a good Ishun team but the trade off isn't worth it for most people who just want a ST Lancer.
@@IC-23Ah, yes. Famous "RNG", in which we need either (summer) BB or extremely good luck to make use of the crits. And since Hozoin is quick unit he isn't into long battles to smooth his RNG problem (but thats a problem for quick servants in general, not his fault specifically) As much as I try, I don't see a reason to use him, unless you like him. Quick stall teams are funnier than he is.
@@IC-23 If your argument for a Servant is "he's good if you use the best supports in the game," it's probably not actually that good of a Servant. Those same supports could work with innumerable other Quick-based Servants and do much better - hell, the guy he's supposed to be way better than, Cu, works a lot better with them because he's much more consistent due to his survivability and ability to do actual damage with his NP.
I think Jekyll/Hyde should be updated so he could use his NP for more than 1 time, but maybe with -1000 max hp down as a demerit to fit with "Dangerous Game" name. Then maybe he could be good solo unit
Really feel like they could do something like that with the Hyde NP, HP loss or some other minor demerit in exchange for some more damage buffs (maybe make them unremovable as well like it seems they should have been). Could even fit as part of his lore --- Jekyll trying to force some much-needed restraint on his evil half, only for Hyde to come screaming back worse than ever. Repeat to make Hyde snowball into a real menace of a glass cannon, if you can keep him alive.
I just send in Taira, Cu alter, Santa nightingale. Santa nightingale can put a guts on taira and give her buff removal resistance and other buffs. Cu alter is cu alter. Slap a guts on him and watch him just buster brave chain over and over again
@@severren1095 I just give my grailed Kama my max leveled Art of Death and let her crush everyone. If there's no Assassin, I use Herc. I still can't decide if I want to use Van Gogh or Kingprotea for my Extra slot. But yeah, Kama solos are stupidly easy if you invest in her. Max her 1st Append, 2k Fous, grails, maxed out Art of Death, and now every Brave Chain takes out a Break Bar.
Imagine gaining a buff that would be broken on any other servant, but it's tied to a servant with a "support" np that only makes it easier to die with no benefits
@@1wayroad935uh... projecting what exactly? Jekyll is the only Servant that can straight up change classes, which is very similar to Install Skills, it's not that unlikely that Jekyll/Hyde being known among the worst servants might dissuade the Devs from bothering with Install Skills
The history sections of these servant guides remind me of part of why I subscribed in the first place. Fino your voice is just straight fire lol. Your narrations are so nice to listen to and the script is always well put together.
They need to give this guy permanent buff removal resistance, if you your using him seriously you deserve it. As for the NP they got to do something with it at this point let us use as an extra buster card that does nothing
Heck just make them box buffs that ignore buff negation, maybe even change his NP to an actual attack after you use it once, there ya go, he’s still trash but atleast he’s not hard countered by most fights late game…
@@Lh0000 true given Oberon gives box buffs in the worst way, and having an np do things due to mode change isnt weird given Melusine for example. I just think he's not worth such a big buff
Jekyll & Hyde is defiantly a story that’s been told throughout the years. Despite his showing in FGO as practically the worst servant bar none , it was good getting the historical side of this story again. Keep up the good work and waiting for the next review / history facts !
Every time I think, "Man, maybe I shouldn't have dumped all those resources into Alterlanta..." I'm reminded that there are those who (ironically) grailed Jekyll, and I feel better about my gameplay choices. Blowing all my SQ and mats on waifus is literally better than even looking disdainfully in Jekyll's direction.
Dude you have a talent for story telling. Your reviews were always entertaining but your brief rendition of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde was something else! Last line gave me goosebumps.
I swear this is the reason they refuse to give a class change servant again when, with what they know now, they could pull it off very well especially after doing np card changes, np target changes and giving some servants special damage or defense against other classes like faker, kama and hmx for instance
I am surprised that they don't release 5 Star Servant that can Class Change, they did something similar with Angra where we got Bazett, who can counter attack.
I think I remember Stevenson being inspired by Edinburgh for the story; amazed at its grand architecture and appalled by its slums. Feels ironic considering he set the story in goddamn London but what do I know
It’s hilarious how bad he is when Hyde is canonically insanely strong yeah he can be beat but he’s basically a wild animal with an geniuses IQ he’s one of the few berserkers who realistically can have the full benefit of Madness Enhancement and not lose his sanity the guy should be like dead apostle ancestor level in terms of difficulty to kill like make his NP as Hyde a guts that restores full hp
What really irks me about early FGO design shenanigans was how hard characters like them and Romulus got shafted, despite having some of the biggest cultural and historical impacts in the entire roster. The story of Jekyll and Hyde is one of the most famous and influential in the entire world, to the point that Superpowered Evil Side is a staple trope in Japanese media; we probably wouldn't even have superheroes as we know them, if not for how this story pioneered the exploration of alter egos and identities. Meanwhile, Romulus is the founder of the city that practically dictated the course of western civilization, by extension shaping the politics of nigh every country. Unit introductions are a little better nowadays. Mostly because there are so few low rarities being released at all as it doesn't seem like they've developed a better idea of kit design. Melusine's release gave me hope for him, but it's been half a year since her NA release and he still has nada.
Ever since I learned about Saber Elizabeth, I always thought Jekyll could get buffs inspired by her second skill. A full rework would definitely be the better improvement, but if the devs never go that route . . . Then I think it would be cool if his skills had additional effects that would activate if he had a certain amount of NP. Would give his NP Gauge something to do once he's Hyde, and be a good excuse to give him powerful effects that could make him fun to use.
I did actually drag a level 70 Jekyll all the way to Goetia, he even got the killing blow. Not knowing at the time the depths of his awfulness given the new player inexperience
man I wish they rework him to act the same as Melusine but instead of the NP changing upon using S3 his deck and class changes upon using NP, but Lasengle doesnt have a reason to use it
I know they never will, but I feel like they could easily make his NP have an effect to turn all his cards to buster. Regardless. It is a very cool concept. I do hope they explore it again sometime. Maybe in reverse. He starts as Hyde and turns to Jeykl
Honestly, what i would give him would be he could switch back to hyde and also have his np drop stars or gain stars per turn. Also have his first hp and buster buff be unremovable but subsequent nps be for 3 or 5 turns. Tho with how elusive hyde sounds in the story it would make since if they put a 1 time evade but looking at the gameplay, he desperately needs some star gen.
It would be kinda neat if dangerous game as Hyde turned you back into jekyll, purged your hyde buffs, and filled your HP back up so you could cycle back and forth to stay alive (i mean as much as a 3* can anyway)
I’ve said this a couple of years ago, but he would be a fair 3-star servant if his Star Drop and Star Gather rate stayed the same in his Berserker form as his Assassin form. But we’re like 6 1/2 years in. Just use anybody else.
"Glopping noise" made me experience exactly the kind of revulsion people felt looking at Hyde. That crawling itch of discomfort aside, I really, dearly wish he was actually usable at anything other than Suffering for Content(TM). We get enough of that from events already, no need to punish us for liking the cute guy. To be honest, I'm amazed they haven't made a Jekyll but actually good - not a Jekyll Specifically, of course, it'd probably be a waifu, but the outright class change gimmick has so much potential if it's done literally any other way between literally any other classes BUT the ones Jekyll uses.
Love the video. I actually have a level 100 Jekyll because i like to grail memes, and I can say that while occasionally I find him annoying to setup, if you manage to get Hyde going his damage output can be very shocking for a 3 star unit and I think that’s a lot of fun.
Hyde. Inshun. Gilles. Benkei. Eric. Team "they had a fan who believed they were good but won't admit they can't be used for anything somewhere" and yes "had" isn't a typo
It would be cool that once he np's and becomes a berserker, he'll have a guts and debuff timer, when the time is up he'll die and procs the guts forcing him to be an assassin again but still keep the buster up lol
Man, it's disappointing to hear about Jekyll being this bad. I was sorely tempted to Grail him as my low-rarity grail choice, but went with Hans instead.
I think an easy concept for this would just be to add a new np specifically for hyde. Like, just make his side of the NP a nasty ST nuke that reverts him to Jekyll, with the heal. That way you create a risk-reward gameplay loop of trying to stay alive as Hyde long enough to NP, then blow your load and repeat. Would also make him something of a poor man's King Hassan in regards to survivability, come to think of it.
Honestly, they need to make him Melusine-lite. Let his Noble phantasm be functional in Hyde form. Whether they want to play around with swapping between the two, giving the same heal effect + either a crit up, or NP battery and charge to go into Hyde again. Or have it just buff Hyde with each use.
Imagine summoning this Assassin/Berserker in a Holy Grail War where Ozymandias is a thing... Nevermind other potential stronger Servants lol. King Hassan would feel so insulted that he would Independently Manifest just to put down this disgrace to all Assassins lol
The Prototype version of Jekyll and Hyde is a complety different monster compare to his FGO version. It take Arthur, Arash, Brynhild and Ozymandias to put werewolf Hyde down. Too bad they will never put his werewolf form in FGO until they make a Proto collab and buff him.
The sad part is that they've had opportunities to fix him and have done his changing gimmick well with other servants. Hell all he'd need is a decent attack NP as Hyde and he'd be at least usable.
Dr. Jekyll was one of the servants I used a lot as a new player. I didn't know anything about the meta and didn't care about it. I liked him, the stabbing animations and sound effects were cool and he was effective against riders, that was all I could ever ask for back then :) But somewhere around Camelot I realized that he didn't feel as good to play as in previous singularities. As if he suddenly became weaker... But soon I realized that he was never strong to begin with, it just that early singularities were easy and forgiving. It's sad that a character with an interesting feature and backstory turned out to be so bad... I don't play him anymore, but I use a ce with his portrait (the one that gives +50 bond points) almost all the time. So in a way, he's still in my team hehe :)
I once heard a guy who said that Jekyll should get an update where he gets a Ray Horizon like skill that swaps Jekyll in Hyde instead of tying it to his NP
It really does suck cause he's unironically my favorite male servant and i have him grailed to 98 but stopped to focus on my favorite female servants and then just never tocuhed him afterwards after i got betgter servants i really hope he gets some kond of change or rework to make him usable better cause i love the guy
The fix to this trainwreck is so trivial as well, just give hyde's dangerous game real effects. Fuck it, give him a carbon copy of Saint War Order, even the laziest angle possible would do the trick. Can't convince me that they don't know that this is the way to lift him up for at least 5 years.
He needs buffs like: While in Berserker Form with Full NP gauge. If He dies deplete NP gauge and revive as a assassin again. Berserker Form with damage + base on His NP Gauge (300% NP damage = 300% damage buff).
Jekyll is fun during Grail Fronts. He's like, the only fun part of Grail Fronts. The only nuance to an otherwise incredibly flat, solved gamemode. Thank god for Jekyll, the secret Zerk
I remeber getting this guy when I first started FGO thinking. Oh what a great idea! Too bad it never worked... I do like him a char thought him a Mordred has a great rapport.
I always just wanted hyde's np to be a high power buster attack, i.e give it a quick np's scaling with somekinda overcharge that increases its damage by alot, and give it ignore invul, heal him to max hp, but give it 3 demerits, give it an indefinite max hp down equal to the max hp up of his np5, and remove all buffs, the idea is to follow the lore on how hyde ruins jekyl's life, removing everything he builds up and weakening him, and of course turning back into jekyll. that way you enter a loop where hyde shifts between jekyll and hyde, where you build up jekyll only for hyde to use everything in a single burst that ruins everything for jekyll only for jekyll to fall back to it again.
I feel like Hyde could have benefitted from having an NP. Something like a Quick NP that turns Hyde back to Jekyll, heals, purges buffs+debuffs, provides a permanent unremovable atk+def buff (in reference to Hyde growing more determined each time Jekyll took control back) and stuns him for the rest of the turn. He still would not be good, but it could give Jekyll something to work with.
He’d be far better if his NP just became a regular buster attack after he turns into Hyde, and that’s just a sad fact. I personally adored the guy when I first started playing, just because I thought his gimmick was neat. That and he’s cute.
Sucks that he can only buster brave chain once they should've really made him, so when he uses np, it changes him, then instantly refreshes his battery so he can use a hyde np that would do damage, drop stars and boost np damage predamage. Even with this, he would still be terrible, but at least he would be able to np after transformation and do some damage, especially with the crit skill being boosted as a zerk.
1:25 The Old Man of the Mountain is not the only good assassin for Grail Fronts. Kama saved my run in the last one since she's literally immortal with that endless guts. Edit: ...when will the next book review come out?
My idea to fix Jekyll & Hyde: Give Hyde a basic ST Buster NP with like 10% defense down for 3 turns on over charge. Maybe defense ignore if Lasengle wants to be really spicy. I also want them to box Jekyll’s NP buffs when transforming into Hyde to protect Hyde from buff purge ruining his gameplay. His skill set is fine with the 80% battery. Maybe give Hyde access to a defense buff to help him survive longer or a 3 turn guts with 3k HP and a guts trigger of returning to Dr. Jekyll to play around with how Hyde would conceal himself within Jekyll to protect himself. Maybe even give Jekyll a passive with 2-3 instances that once depleted Jekyll can no longer return.
Honestly, the way to fix this guy is to tie more buffs to his transformation. I would argue that as Hyde, he should be Stun/Charm immune and that his skills should have their CDs go down by 1 whenever he kills a foe.
Special thanks to Truongmai for picking this as a stream goal.
"transformin him from impossibly shit assassin into an impossibly shit berseker" 🔥 🔥
I still remember when this guy was the posterboy for the assassin class in the publicity leading up to FGO's initial launch. Then the game dropped and he turned out to be a vastly inferior assassin to even 1-star Kojirou.
Kojirou is the goat
@@Basically_Anybody koujiro the savior of france
I still believe the worst low-star assassin is Sanson, next is this guy. Atleast Jekyll's useful when he unleashes NP, otherwise it's trash for some of the hard content of FGO
@@gabsterrivera5674 Hyde is dealing with Jekyll's bad attack stat. The Buster steroid from his NP is nice, but it's only a 2 buster deck.
Besides, his only real niche is Grail Front. As an Assassin, Jekyll loses to Kojiro and Sanson. As a Berserker, Hyde loses to Spartacus and Kiyo
@@gabsterrivera5674 hanako green wants your number 😌
"FUN" fact: His np is bugged for years and doesnt actually change his passive from concealment to madness enchantment
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You know, it takes the next level of being horrible that an 80% Charge isn't enough to fix you from your horrible state
It actively makes him worse cause you lose out on the extra crit damage the first time you use the skill(if you use it to get to his NP).
More like next level of give up 😂
What's the point of a charge if the NP is unusable?
@@owo4288 more like what's the point if it's a One time use only
@@owo4288tbh
They should add to him
Neutral to all classes for 1 turn every np or just adding his maximum hp every np (plus buster buff)
His most glaring issue is the fact he can use his NP only once. What if it had another effect? For example, when Hyde gets dropped to zero HP, he turns back into Jekyll. Then Jekyll can use NP to turn into Hyde again. That would give him unique survivability and made Hyde's arts cards usable. He would still be jank but maybe more fun.
He would be great to play against low damage enemies since he would be, basically inmortal that way.
I think its more balanced if hyde np is basically a single target nuke. Basically you change to hyde then his next NP is a nuke that hypass defense
Another Idea on top of that what if he gets to use his NP again to unlock his werewolf form from fate prototype, which boosts his abilities even further and gives him some form of survivability. That way it’s just a race to get his np, then survive as Hyde long enough to evolve into a solo berzerker unit.
It's a real shame Jekyll is as bad as he is in FGO; in Prototype, where he was summoned as a Berserker from the getgo. he was ridiculously strong-his Hyde form was a sort of shadowy wolf monster with a Shapeshifting skill so potent that he could close wounds near-instantly just by moving flesh around, to say nothing of its offensive uses. IIRC it took Arash, Ozymandias, and one or two other Servants to put Proto!Hyde down after he went off the rails.
FGO did this man *dirty.*
its crazy how these old stories can still hold up to this day. Listening to Fino tell the story of Jekyll and Hyde had me spooked. And not in the FGO way. Good shit Fino I love these additional lore drops on servants.
except Jeekel.
I could've gone my entire life without knowing that's the intended pronunciation
@@HellecticMojo when I read it back in highschool it always bother me why people read it like it supposed to be jack not jeek but now I know why
Came for the Trash talk about the servant, stayed for the chilling amazingly narrated summary of the story of origin.
I think by this point people choose the new Servant guide targets just to hear Fino talk about their backstory.
I certainly did. 😂
As someone who has lv 120 jekyll i still wish instead of giving him a battery they updated his np so it gives un-purgable buffs and changed his cards to buster
Or give him a 2 turn unpurgable berserker characteristic and a 10k hp buff with a huge buster steroid and changing his deck to all buster. After the 2 turns he gets stunned for 1 turn and then gets a massive heal and defense buff that lasts for 1 turn.
His problem is being unable to farm, making him a bit better for CQs won't change much.
@@GS_CCC That's every NP that isn't an AOE. so saying that THAT's the problem for him is kinda ridiculous. Single target or support NP is not for farming.
@@HellecticMojo False, a lot of servants can farm by having good skills to support the team.
And with the addition of Ordeal Call even STs can farm the 1 Enemy 1T nodes up to 3 times a day.
He is simply a servant with no NP and no skills that is his problem, he is not unique in that department it is just that there is no one to cope about him.
This servant certainly is a "strange case"
Shoutout to timing Hyde's death in the last clip to the reading of Jekyll's final words
Really strange boss uploaded a video about Geronimo so suddenly.
Wait Geronimo isn't a Assassin...
Using his story as a basis, it’d be cool if his gimmick was switching repeatedly back and forth between his two forms, because switching would give him great buffs but eventually he’d get stuck in Hyde and massively weakened. Sort like how Oberon is great at 1 turning. Or how about, Since Hyde used Jekyll as a means to literally hide away maybe Jekyll could be great at surviving and Hyde is a pure glass cannon and you have to manage switching between the two using his skills and NP
As much as I've seen references to this story, this is the first time I'm hearing the whole thing. I somehow never thought to look at the full story or synopsis before. Storytime with Fino has been such a fun addendum to these Servant reviews!
His only use: Just get his extra attack append and throw him at ort without using his NP
Next the legendary inshun guide. I've heard from sources he's the guy called the "cu-kiiller" and was singlehandedly the reason cu had to get like a million buffs to even keep up.
He could solo one shot gotia. Beat every bar of ort and not just an example of overhyped garbage that is the results of the community repeating something enough times that they make it canon in their minds like lore
Hozoin Inshun is NOT bad, he is amazing, the only reason he doesn't see play is because you absolutely must build a whole team around him. Honestly, Skadi in particular has the best buffs you can hope for: Quick up, Crit up, and Battery. (Of course, Skadi has has everything but survival, but those three buffs are the most impactful on a dps)
You can make a very viable team that revolves around Inshun with those buffs and supports that synergize with said buffs. In that kind of team, Inshun is absolutely bonkers, I'd dare say in average he is Super Orion bonkers. And we know how powerful Super Orion is.
@@IC-23 i don't think he is that strong, super orion can work with suboptimal supports, where as hozoin struggles alot with sub optimal supports, as for him being a cu killer, its kinda proven that was over hyped because cu can do things hozoin fails at even before his buffs, just because he could outlast him. As for peak power i can 100% understand how he could rival super orion when under his optimal conditions but its not exactly perfect
@@IC-23 The thing is Super Orion doesn't need Merlin or Vitch to be usuable. Meanwhile you need a lot of thing falling in line beside just having Skadi so that Ishun can have a few miniute of glory. You can build a good Ishun team but the trade off isn't worth it for most people who just want a ST Lancer.
@@IC-23Ah, yes. Famous "RNG", in which we need either (summer) BB or extremely good luck to make use of the crits.
And since Hozoin is quick unit he isn't into long battles to smooth his RNG problem (but thats a problem for quick servants in general, not his fault specifically)
As much as I try, I don't see a reason to use him, unless you like him. Quick stall teams are funnier than he is.
@@IC-23 If your argument for a Servant is "he's good if you use the best supports in the game," it's probably not actually that good of a Servant. Those same supports could work with innumerable other Quick-based Servants and do much better - hell, the guy he's supposed to be way better than, Cu, works a lot better with them because he's much more consistent due to his survivability and ability to do actual damage with his NP.
I think Jekyll/Hyde should be updated so he could use his NP for more than 1 time, but maybe with -1000 max hp down as a demerit to fit with "Dangerous Game" name. Then maybe he could be good solo unit
Really feel like they could do something like that with the Hyde NP, HP loss or some other minor demerit in exchange for some more damage buffs (maybe make them unremovable as well like it seems they should have been). Could even fit as part of his lore --- Jekyll trying to force some much-needed restraint on his evil half, only for Hyde to come screaming back worse than ever. Repeat to make Hyde snowball into a real menace of a glass cannon, if you can keep him alive.
He's the first assassin/berserker I've built haha. I thought I was getting a two for one special.
Turns out he was terrible at both.
according to Fragments Silver, Hyde did look like some kind of werewolf when he was active instead of Jekyll
1:25. Man does nobody else appreciate Li Shuwen? He's my absolute go-to for grail fronts
I just send in Taira, Cu alter, Santa nightingale.
Santa nightingale can put a guts on taira and give her buff removal resistance and other buffs.
Cu alter is cu alter. Slap a guts on him and watch him just buster brave chain over and over again
@@severren1095 I just give my grailed Kama my max leveled Art of Death and let her crush everyone. If there's no Assassin, I use Herc. I still can't decide if I want to use Van Gogh or Kingprotea for my Extra slot. But yeah, Kama solos are stupidly easy if you invest in her. Max her 1st Append, 2k Fous, grails, maxed out Art of Death, and now every Brave Chain takes out a Break Bar.
Imagine gaining a buff that would be broken on any other servant, but it's tied to a servant with a "support" np that only makes it easier to die with no benefits
the thing i hate the most about this guy is that he's possibly the reason that they never tried giving Illya and Miyu class changing install skills
Sounds more like you're projecting
@@1wayroad935uh... projecting what exactly?
Jekyll is the only Servant that can straight up change classes, which is very similar to Install Skills, it's not that unlikely that Jekyll/Hyde being known among the worst servants might dissuade the Devs from bothering with Install Skills
Prisma illya lover here
@@lordtea hell yeah, peak Fate
@@GBlockbreaker
Waiting for miyu buff or miyu ruler
I've always loved these servant guides, I'm especially glad you've added the lore bits. It's just cool to hear you talk shop bout these servants.
The history sections of these servant guides remind me of part of why I subscribed in the first place. Fino your voice is just straight fire lol. Your narrations are so nice to listen to and the script is always well put together.
They need to give this guy permanent buff removal resistance, if you your using him seriously you deserve it. As for the NP they got to do something with it at this point let us use as an extra buster card that does nothing
Heck just make them box buffs that ignore buff negation, maybe even change his NP to an actual attack after you use it once, there ya go, he’s still trash but atleast he’s not hard countered by most fights late game…
@@Lh0000 true given Oberon gives box buffs in the worst way, and having an np do things due to mode change isnt weird given Melusine for example. I just think he's not worth such a big buff
Jekyll & Hyde is defiantly a story that’s been told throughout the years. Despite his showing in FGO as practically the worst servant bar none , it was good getting the historical side of this story again. Keep up the good work and waiting for the next review / history facts !
Something about f2p assassin's just make me sad. Mata Hari and Corday are decent but maaan this class got done dirty in year 1
Every time I think, "Man, maybe I shouldn't have dumped all those resources into Alterlanta..." I'm reminded that there are those who (ironically) grailed Jekyll, and I feel better about my gameplay choices. Blowing all my SQ and mats on waifus is literally better than even looking disdainfully in Jekyll's direction.
Well hey, at least you have some summer Skadi synergy to look forward to with boarcat
@@loganlambeth6157 My unconditional love and support (and Gong) is the only synergy my broke ass needs.
Dats rude :(
She was my first max skilled berserker, and while I don't really use her a lot these days I definitely don't regret doing that.
I grailed Mephistopheles to 90 because I was edgy and liked demons. Yes, I do regret it ×-× at least I didn't dump any more grails into him
More effort went into this video than the servant is about great job fino keep it up
Dude you have a talent for story telling. Your reviews were always entertaining but your brief rendition of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde was something else! Last line gave me goosebumps.
I swear this is the reason they refuse to give a class change servant again when, with what they know now, they could pull it off very well especially after doing np card changes, np target changes and giving some servants special damage or defense against other classes like faker, kama and hmx for instance
I am surprised that they don't release 5 Star Servant that can Class Change, they did something similar with Angra where we got Bazett, who can counter attack.
I think I remember Stevenson being inspired by Edinburgh for the story; amazed at its grand architecture and appalled by its slums. Feels ironic considering he set the story in goddamn London but what do I know
It’s hilarious how bad he is when Hyde is canonically insanely strong yeah he can be beat but he’s basically a wild animal with an geniuses IQ he’s one of the few berserkers who realistically can have the full benefit of Madness Enhancement and not lose his sanity the guy should be like dead apostle ancestor level in terms of difficulty to kill like make his NP as Hyde a guts that restores full hp
What really irks me about early FGO design shenanigans was how hard characters like them and Romulus got shafted, despite having some of the biggest cultural and historical impacts in the entire roster.
The story of Jekyll and Hyde is one of the most famous and influential in the entire world, to the point that Superpowered Evil Side is a staple trope in Japanese media; we probably wouldn't even have superheroes as we know them, if not for how this story pioneered the exploration of alter egos and identities. Meanwhile, Romulus is the founder of the city that practically dictated the course of western civilization, by extension shaping the politics of nigh every country.
Unit introductions are a little better nowadays. Mostly because there are so few low rarities being released at all as it doesn't seem like they've developed a better idea of kit design. Melusine's release gave me hope for him, but it's been half a year since her NA release and he still has nada.
Ever since I learned about Saber Elizabeth, I always thought Jekyll could get buffs inspired by her second skill. A full rework would definitely be the better improvement, but if the devs never go that route . . .
Then I think it would be cool if his skills had additional effects that would activate if he had a certain amount of NP. Would give his NP Gauge something to do once he's Hyde, and be a good excuse to give him powerful effects that could make him fun to use.
Wow what a poetic summary of the story! Good work!
I did actually drag a level 70 Jekyll all the way to Goetia, he even got the killing blow. Not knowing at the time the depths of his awfulness given the new player inexperience
The only Servant who actively gets weaker with his buff.
man I wish they rework him to act the same as Melusine but instead of the NP changing upon using S3 his deck and class changes upon using NP, but Lasengle doesnt have a reason to use it
I know they never will, but I feel like they could easily make his NP have an effect to turn all his cards to buster.
Regardless. It is a very cool concept. I do hope they explore it again sometime. Maybe in reverse. He starts as Hyde and turns to Jeykl
Summer Hyde copium....
Honestly, what i would give him would be he could switch back to hyde and also have his np drop stars or gain stars per turn. Also have his first hp and buster buff be unremovable but subsequent nps be for 3 or 5 turns. Tho with how elusive hyde sounds in the story it would make since if they put a 1 time evade but looking at the gameplay, he desperately needs some star gen.
It would be kinda neat if dangerous game as Hyde turned you back into jekyll, purged your hyde buffs, and filled your HP back up so you could cycle back and forth to stay alive (i mean as much as a 3* can anyway)
I see a guide, I click, I’m a simple man
i love the longer videos and the lore parts too
I’ve said this a couple of years ago, but he would be a fair 3-star servant if his Star Drop and Star Gather rate stayed the same in his Berserker form as his Assassin form.
But we’re like 6 1/2 years in. Just use anybody else.
"Glopping noise" made me experience exactly the kind of revulsion people felt looking at Hyde. That crawling itch of discomfort aside, I really, dearly wish he was actually usable at anything other than Suffering for Content(TM). We get enough of that from events already, no need to punish us for liking the cute guy. To be honest, I'm amazed they haven't made a Jekyll but actually good - not a Jekyll Specifically, of course, it'd probably be a waifu, but the outright class change gimmick has so much potential if it's done literally any other way between literally any other classes BUT the ones Jekyll uses.
Nice Vid as always but im still waiting on that Eresh guide 0.0
dw dont bother to fix him, lasagna dont bother to fix him
Love the video. I actually have a level 100 Jekyll because i like to grail memes, and I can say that while occasionally I find him annoying to setup, if you manage to get Hyde going his damage output can be very shocking for a 3 star unit and I think that’s a lot of fun.
Great video, really loving the backstories!
Hyde. Inshun. Gilles. Benkei. Eric.
Team "they had a fan who believed they were good but won't admit they can't be used for anything somewhere" and yes "had" isn't a typo
Shouldn't Geronimo replace Inshun ?
benkei can be good
I know you're just farming likes with your myriad comments, but if you think Inshun is Hyde or Eric level you're on some next level cope.
@@Awoken0 he's just the average Fate fan neckbeard, don't worry about it, i don't think they even have sapience
Imagine putting Ishun and Gilles the Lolicon/shotacon same level as Hyde 😂
It would be cool that once he np's and becomes a berserker, he'll have a guts and debuff timer, when the time is up he'll die and procs the guts forcing him to be an assassin again but still keep the buster up lol
What I wanted: Bruce Banner and the Hulk
What I got: British man
Jekyll: would you lose?
Hyde: Nah, I'd win.
Man, it's disappointing to hear about Jekyll being this bad.
I was sorely tempted to Grail him as my low-rarity grail choice, but went with Hans instead.
Cant believe how much I liked this video about this meme character.
I think an easy concept for this would just be to add a new np specifically for hyde. Like, just make his side of the NP a nasty ST nuke that reverts him to Jekyll, with the heal. That way you create a risk-reward gameplay loop of trying to stay alive as Hyde long enough to NP, then blow your load and repeat.
Would also make him something of a poor man's King Hassan in regards to survivability, come to think of it.
"Outside of first Hassan, Assassins tend to be pretty bad in that mode" *angry Kama noises*
That guy needs Melusine's treatment.
Loved the book recap, would not mind more of those
Honestly, they need to make him Melusine-lite. Let his Noble phantasm be functional in Hyde form.
Whether they want to play around with swapping between the two, giving the same heal effect + either a crit up, or NP battery and charge to go into Hyde again.
Or have it just buff Hyde with each use.
Damn good video Fino🎉🎉🎉
Loved the vid as always. It's great to listen to them while doing sth else :)
I love my Mata Hari
Imagine summoning this Assassin/Berserker in a Holy Grail War where Ozymandias is a thing... Nevermind other potential stronger Servants lol.
King Hassan would feel so insulted that he would Independently Manifest just to put down this disgrace to all Assassins lol
The Prototype version of Jekyll and Hyde is a complety different monster compare to his FGO version. It take Arthur, Arash, Brynhild and Ozymandias to put werewolf Hyde down. Too bad they will never put his werewolf form in FGO until they make a Proto collab and buff him.
13:19 I understood that reference
The sad part is that they've had opportunities to fix him and have done his changing gimmick well with other servants. Hell all he'd need is a decent attack NP as Hyde and he'd be at least usable.
I heard about J & H for a long time but never got curious about him enough to search him up, thanks for the history lesson
Dr. Jekyll was one of the servants I used a lot as a new player. I didn't know anything about the meta and didn't care about it. I liked him, the stabbing animations and sound effects were cool and he was effective against riders, that was all I could ever ask for back then :) But somewhere around Camelot I realized that he didn't feel as good to play as in previous singularities. As if he suddenly became weaker... But soon I realized that he was never strong to begin with, it just that early singularities were easy and forgiving.
It's sad that a character with an interesting feature and backstory turned out to be so bad... I don't play him anymore, but I use a ce with his portrait (the one that gives +50 bond points) almost all the time. So in a way, he's still in my team hehe :)
I once heard a guy who said that Jekyll should get an update where he gets a Ray Horizon like skill that swaps Jekyll in Hyde instead of tying it to his NP
It really does suck cause he's unironically my favorite male servant and i have him grailed to 98 but stopped to focus on my favorite female servants and then just never tocuhed him afterwards after i got betgter servants i really hope he gets some kond of change or rework to make him usable better cause i love the guy
The fix to this trainwreck is so trivial as well, just give hyde's dangerous game real effects.
Fuck it, give him a carbon copy of Saint War Order, even the laziest angle possible would do the trick.
Can't convince me that they don't know that this is the way to lift him up for at least 5 years.
He needs buffs like:
While in Berserker Form with Full NP gauge. If He dies deplete NP gauge and revive as a assassin again.
Berserker Form with damage + base on His NP Gauge (300% NP damage = 300% damage buff).
Here’s an easy Jekyll buff idea: make the buffs given by the effect of Dangerous Game “boxed” and non-purgeable.
he's a Servant whose NP makes him actually worse.
Shiting on Jekyll/Hyde is favorite pass time for fgo creators, and Im here for it.
Sorry Jekyll fans, all two of you.
Jekyll is fun during Grail Fronts. He's like, the only fun part of Grail Fronts. The only nuance to an otherwise incredibly flat, solved gamemode. Thank god for Jekyll, the secret Zerk
I love the story of Jekyll and Hyde. It's a shame he's such a absolutely horrible servant
They should upgrade his np to be used in the berserker form to go back to the assassin form and gaining different buffs
Single worst Servant in Fgo?
Angry Mango:
"Am I a joke to you?"
I remeber getting this guy when I first started FGO thinking. Oh what a great idea!
Too bad it never worked...
I do like him a char thought him a Mordred has a great rapport.
Nice. I really enjoy the back story of this character. Too bad FGO can't make him more usable.
not the "Glopping noise" deep cut lmao
17:38 Nice timing
Wait until they release him as a grand alterego
He's doing his best :c
I always just wanted hyde's np to be a high power buster attack, i.e give it a quick np's scaling with somekinda overcharge that increases its damage by alot, and give it ignore invul, heal him to max hp, but give it 3 demerits, give it an indefinite max hp down equal to the max hp up of his np5, and remove all buffs, the idea is to follow the lore on how hyde ruins jekyl's life, removing everything he builds up and weakening him, and of course turning back into jekyll. that way you enter a loop where hyde shifts between jekyll and hyde, where you build up jekyll only for hyde to use everything in a single burst that ruins everything for jekyll only for jekyll to fall back to it again.
I feel like Hyde could have benefitted from having an NP. Something like a Quick NP that turns Hyde back to Jekyll, heals, purges buffs+debuffs, provides a permanent unremovable atk+def buff (in reference to Hyde growing more determined each time Jekyll took control back) and stuns him for the rest of the turn.
He still would not be good, but it could give Jekyll something to work with.
It's kind of wild they've never tried a Servant with the ability to change their class since then. Maybe it was just too hard to program or something.
He’d be far better if his NP just became a regular buster attack after he turns into Hyde, and that’s just a sad fact. I personally adored the guy when I first started playing, just because I thought his gimmick was neat. That and he’s cute.
Sooo..you're telling me that hs is even worse than that 0 star avenger from that friend point summon?
At least you can use Angry Matthew's NP more than once and could actually have it damage them. Plus, my guy has guts, so there's that as well.
He has a Quick up, gut and a pretty decent albeit niche Bond CE. Not to mention his NP is reusable.
kinda wished hydes gets a damaging np or just a buf with a delayed transform back to jekyl with the heal.
Sucks that he can only buster brave chain once they should've really made him, so when he uses np, it changes him, then instantly refreshes his battery so he can use a hyde np that would do damage, drop stars and boost np damage predamage. Even with this, he would still be terrible, but at least he would be able to np after transformation and do some damage, especially with the crit skill being boosted as a zerk.
1:25 The Old Man of the Mountain is not the only good assassin for Grail Fronts. Kama saved my run in the last one since she's literally immortal with that endless guts.
Edit: ...when will the next book review come out?
My idea to fix Jekyll & Hyde:
Give Hyde a basic ST Buster NP with like 10% defense down for 3 turns on over charge. Maybe defense ignore if Lasengle wants to be really spicy. I also want them to box Jekyll’s NP buffs when transforming into Hyde to protect Hyde from buff purge ruining his gameplay. His skill set is fine with the 80% battery. Maybe give Hyde access to a defense buff to help him survive longer or a 3 turn guts with 3k HP and a guts trigger of returning to Dr. Jekyll to play around with how Hyde would conceal himself within Jekyll to protect himself. Maybe even give Jekyll a passive with 2-3 instances that once depleted Jekyll can no longer return.
He needs those joke np drain skills as berserker
Honestly, the way to fix this guy is to tie more buffs to his transformation. I would argue that as Hyde, he should be Stun/Charm immune and that his skills should have their CDs go down by 1 whenever he kills a foe.