Yeah the horrible one that happened in France where she was basically impaled with a broomstick got 180 days, insane... but i would say thats because of politics because its a refugee that did it
I wonder if the judge was a victim or have dealt with multiple rape cases, cause she even pointed out how people are blind to the offender's nice side and use it to determine if the incident really happened.
I REFUSE to acknowledge that this is an apology video if they're not playing the ukulele. Colleen Ballinger has set the bar so high for a proper apology videos and it should be the new standard for another to come.
True. If a wacky instrument is not involved, it doesnt count. Some variety would be great to see too, maybe someone will break out the banjo or even a didgeridoo
@@drankydrank1 They protected him for YEARS. The rapes happened around 20 years ago, the victims were also scientologists, the cult threatened and controlled them into staying silent. they were also attackign everyone supporting the victims while the case was happening, and trying to interfere in the trial and tamper/intimidate the witnesses. They also knew MAsterson did it, he admitted to scientology that he did.
@@drankydrank1 Masterson and all 3 survivors were members of the church of scientology. Scientologists don't trust government bodies and heavily discourage law enforcement getting involved. They have their own internal process to report crimes and transgressions. The women reported the assaults to a Scientology Ethics Officer. Because Masterson was a contributing member in "good standing" and a pretty big career, Scientology covered for him. He paid one of the victims 400k in restitution along with paying money to Scientology to provide classes to help should that woman's child ever have any emotional impact from the assault. There are also letters from one of the survivors mother's to the current "head" of Scientology asking for justice for her daughter. Scientologists also have fairly routine sessions to help them " get clear" that are almost like confessionals in some regards ---- and from what I gather --- masterson confessed to doing it on those. So yeah - it happened - just scientology was covering for him because it's bad press and they don't want their image being muddied.
They don't make themselves do that lol, they just don't have a huge team on standby to make these videos to do their make up. It may be in part them trying to look more relatable, but I imagine a lot of it is just this is how they normally look before they go under the brush for 4 hours.
I mean maybe but at the same time sometimes the apology isn't about how good it will make you look its just you renouncing your previous views and saying that I was wrong and I don't want to advocate for this in the world. If no one ever apologized for anything fucked up they did in any kind of public way I think that would send a super fucked up messaged. I'd definitely rather be in a world where people put out sucky insincere apologies that at least convey the idea X behavior ISNT okay.
i don't think it's the fact that they're apologizing but the fact that their "apologies" are usually made to downplay what they did instead of owning up to it
@@Zack-vi7isyeah but it doesn't matter how sincere it is, people will always call it insincere or a bad apology. There's almost never been a time when people took an apology seriously. If I was famous I'd never apologize, because I know no one would care and would rip me apart anyways.
@@soloholo4953 If Ashton Kutcher and Mila Kunis did the right thing much earlier, they would at least accept that Danny Masterson is no longer their friend. I hate to say this, but I need to say it. Character letters about the nice person the perpetrator once was, do not matter in the eyes of the victims who do not know or think about Danny Masterson in that way. Especially if Danny Masterson's r*pe victims _were_ his friends before they became his victims. April 18, 2024, 9:23am
I mean they were asked to write what THEIR experience were with him. I mean its is the judges job to give out a fair sentence and it is their job to tell the truth. I don't like the idea of mobbing on people for telling their experience with just because they did something bad. Someone doing one thing bad does not mean everything he did was bad. I think the judge knows what he did and he was checking about the risk and the tendency of this happening and how obvious it was. If people want rapists to get lifetime sentences then i am down but it is cringe to get mad at someone for literally telling their relationship with someone else.
I just find it crazy that Ashton especially agreed to writing a letter to character for Masterson since he founded an organization to fight human trafficking and help victims, and all of a sudden that just goes out the window because your old buddy got caught??
It seemed very general and wrote with coaching from a lawyer. It likely was more for the family than it was for him. They could also believe that people can change and get help. 30 years is a life sentence.
@@peapopeathis should really be said more. Charlie's whole take on this is kind of bad. Their letters are only an issue if they knew what he was doing, otherwise all they can do is state what they thought of him. Saying they should have condemned him or that they should have refused is "guilty until proven innocent," which is not what we should want. The entire point of character references is that they are based on impressions of the person before being accused. They aren't being asked, "the accused hasn't been tried yet but what would you think of him if he was found guilty?"
Once again, Topher Grace is proving himself to be the best cast member from That 70’s Show/ That 90’s Show. He was considered an asshole for distancing himself from the cast, but now it makes perfect sense why he distanced himself from them
@@Aarinoo She just distanced herself from the scientology after he was accused, but other than that, remained quiet, which is probably the smart thing to do.
Topher Grace doesn't have any projects anymore. Mila and Ashton do. The group that ordered Mila and Ashton to write this letter didn't have anything to hold against Topher.
@@neoasura Laura has no upcoming projects, so there is nothing to hold anything against her. Mila and Ashton still have ongoing work. If a powerful group's reputation were to be damaged by Danny's case, then that group would like want Ashton and Mila to use their power and influence to help bury Danny's story.
I misunderstood and thought at first that they had sent these letters while the trial was ongoing. The fact that they did this after the conviction makes it horrifying.
Seems like he was convicted without third party witnesses or any concrete evidence. They most likely think he could be innocent, and 30 years in prison for alleged crimes 20 years ago without any substantial proof is kind of scary to be honest...
They definitely should've hired someone to write this statement for them. The fact that Ashton emphasized that it was supposed to be for the judges eyes only shows that they knew this was a dirty move
Dirty move or not i dont agree with anything they said or did but one has to wonder why the statement and letter to the judge was made public in the first place. Since you have the right to disclose this freely with the Judge. So either someone paid a big sum to the Judge or it was accidently released.
@@MichaSennin in the US character references in a trial are public record unless the judge decides to seal them for a specific reason, but it’s rare for them to be sealed. Anyone can request the trial documents and since this is a celebrity there is a lot of media interest in the case. The letters are also provided to the defendants legal team so they could’ve released them to influence public sentiment.
it’s so weird, ashton and mila are both very involved with helping sexual abuse victims and children and trafficked people . for them to do this is so odd.
for the first minute and a half I was sympathetic, writing a character reference for a former friend on trial for rape must be a hard thing to get right. Then I saw that these letters were written AFTER conviction, and were asking for leniency. Absolutely insane.
@@springheeledjack165 if my friend was proven guilty i would never try to lighten their sentence. they're a danger to other people. if you actually cared about your friend, you would let them pay for their crimes.
ngl its easy to say something like that when you AREN'T actually having to cut off a friend/family member. The way that Ashton acted in this literally proves it, bro does "sex trafficking" non profits but STILL wanted to support his rapist friend. i guarantee you if your BEST friend was accused you wouldn't have the backbone to actually stop supporting them.@@jackleg6143
@@springheeledjack165a good friend would not heIp their friend avoid justice. If a friend of mine did something so eviI I would never stand in the way of justice, but I would aIso not abandon them. There is a baIance between being a good friend and being an enabIer
Right?! That is why it bothers me so much when people defend Ashton and Mila for writing those letters claiming they were just doing it to defend their friend and that they had no idea he was evil blah blah. If they REALLY believed he was innocent and wrongly convicted, and were totally oblivious to his dark side, then they wouldn’t have been so concerned over the fact that the public saw the letters. The fact that they admitted they thought the letters would be confidential shows that they’re well aware that what Danny did was wrong, as is their support of him. Otherwise, the confidentiality (or lack thereof) of the letters would not have even been a concern of theirs at all. So yeah, I agree; they aren’t sorry they wrote the letters. They’re sorry the public has now seen their true colors, finally.
So I actually have a childhood friend who ended up murdering a women in cold blood. In my experience it's hard to separate the person you knew vs the person they became. It feels super weird and tbh while I disagree with thier statements I can understand it. It's tough to separate once your in that situation where someone you respected turns out to do something terrible. Just giving another perspective
I can understand and respect that. I kinda feel like people who know/care about someone convicted of serious crimes like rape/murder are kind of victims of the lies the perpetrator told. The perpetrator put forward the idea that they were a good person and wouldn't be capable of it. So to find out that they were in fact capable of that and they did it can be a bit of a mindf*ck. That being said, I'm not defending Mila or Ashton. It's one thing to feel conflicted about how a friend of yours turns out to be a predator, it's another thing to try and defend them. It's callous to the victims. Full stop.
@khaleesireyna731 Yea good point I get that. I'm not defending them either but unless you've been in that situation it's just weird to get around you know. They made a mistake but that doesn't make them terrible people imo
Dude what. I had one best friend turn out to be a groomer and im still absolutely emotionally devastated but hell i surely did called him out i surely got police involved. You can absolutely separate good experiences with the pains of others it just takes a shitton of emotional maturity which most people don't have in this specific realm of events. X.x
This is correct, an ex childhood best friend of mine (we knew each other when I was one and he was only a few months older than me) has fallen into crime in the ripe old age of 16. He has done so much shit, but the worst thing he's done is break into a house with a gang of friends, and then stab the homeowner with a machete. The homeowner didn't die nor have any permanent injuries apart from scarring to my knowledge, but it feels so ghostly to remember the worst 'crimes' he used to commit was trying to pressure me into saying what he was going to get for his birthday. It feels so strange that he was once so funny and close to me, but know I avoid him like the plague. I understand being in denial that a frined may have done something like that, but defending your friend (aimed at ashton and mila, not you) when there is cold hard solid proof of them committing the crime is unforgivable imo
One of my best friends of 15 years was accused of rape and he told all of us that he had sex with a girl that had a boyfriend and they got caught by the boyfriend so she accused him of rape because she got caught cheating. I knew him for 15 years and he was a great dude, i wrote a character letter for my friend because I believed him the person that I didnt think would be capable of something like that. Turns out it was true and he was convicted. I had never been more disgusted with myself for writing that letter and for awhile I was very upset with myself but I have since come to terms that I was tricked by someone I trusted and that the blame wasnt on myself. It still was a very difficult situation and even know I still feel bad about it.
Thanks for sharing the story, really harsh. My ex wife was very very verbally and physically abusive and one day I had enough and defending myself by holding her back from kicking me in the nuts. She then went on Twitter and told everyone we both knew (including my family) that I beat her. To this day some of my old friends still think I am a wife beater, only a few people that really knew me came forward and defended me. Long story short you did the right thing, even if you were wrong. More times people lie then tell the truth on these situations, glad you tried to fight for what you thought was true even though it wasn’t. The guilt would have been much worse if your friend was innocent and you did nothing.
@@LuciferosDad I hope you're doing well. I HEAVILY disagree that "more times people lie than tell the truth on these situations" unless you're also talking about the accused lying as well. If you mean overall, absolutely yeah. Either way, I'm very sorry that happened to you. She sucks. Its corny but time heals all, even when its plastered on social media. I know from experience lol
Especially with the type of work that Kutcher does with rescuing sex trafficking victims, I’m absolutely baffled as to how he and Mila Kunis could do that. What an awful and completely boneheaded thing to do. The apology was so robotic and weak, too. 🤦♂️
Usually Character letters are before the trial, so there is a very likely chance they wrote these before he was convicted and thought better of him. Stil completely understand the outrage though.
This is why I hate Charlie. Charlie twists everything, saying that they did this to give him a lighter sentence which is not true at all, they did it because they originally thought he was innocent and was written 2 months prior to the conviction. Which is understandable because in this day and age false accusations are made a lot. Ashton literally works to free child slaves from prostitution rings, why would he support any rapist?! But of course Charlie just says whatever he thinks is true and right and because he has such a large active audience everyone takes it as face value for the truth. I see it time and time again, all Charlie is is a online bully
@@Mrbetsalotbro I’m looking at your old comments and all you do is complain about Charlie and what he does. You’re no better than him. Also, he’s a commentary channel, of course he’ll talk about things that make him upset or angry.
I had no idea who Charlie was a few months ago, one of his videos came across my RUclips feed and I decided to watch. My first impression was I liked him and thought he has a refreshingly honest point of view. That turned into respect quickly. Charlie makes the world a better place, even for a 50ish woman who never played a video game in her life.
What I like about Charlie is that he doesn’t _usually_ have the same tribalistic mindset that exists almost everywhere now. He understands that you can both agree/disagree with certain aspects of a problem, issue, situation, etc. while also having the intellect to know that not everything that happens is somehow related to politics.
@@TitaniumTurbine Some people say Charlie is "bland" and has "normie" opinions. If having good common sense and being impartial is normie behavior in today's climate then shit, I wish everyone was a normie.
I hate that character letters/statements are even a thing in court for these type of cases. Just because someone doesn’t behave in a gross monstrous way around their friends/colleagues doesn’t take from their gross, monstrous behaviors with their victims. As I’ve heard it put: ‘That’s some object-permanence peekaboo BS’ on the friends/courts’ behalf.
@@Ram-zc4fi if you need sex Ed class to tell you that you need consent before having sex with someone then you have issues and are pretty disgusting. You don’t “accidentally” r@pe or assault someone. You’re not a “good guy” who made a mistake, you intentionally assaulted someone.
@@Ram-zc4fi Imo sex ed is kind of unnuanced when it comes to consent and the real world. E.g. some women really don't want men to explicitly ask for consent and like men to 'lead' and 'take charge' (though it's probably a good idea to ask) and that can be confusing for men. It's also kind of bizarre to accept that adults are incapable of communicating that they don't want to do something sexual in the context of being physically intimate w/ someone and that person trying to escalate things. At the end of the day the kind of 'knowledge' about consent in sex ed isn't factual, it's a prescription. And prescriptive 'knowledge' is a completely different category of knowledge than facts. And imo it's odd for a school class to be based around giving prescriptions (or strictly defining colloquial terms), outside of maybe a philosophy class. (and even there prescriptions are presented as the ideas of certain people, the university usually isn't explicitly endorsing a specific prescription)
Well it’s part of a defendant’s fundamental right to a trial. The defendant has a right to provide any exculpatory evidence, and even in sentencing the defendant has a right to provide any mitigating evidence or anything else that would possibly help their case. It seems pretty gross in this case and similar ones, true, but to suggest that such statements shouldn’t exist is very dangerous for a fair judicial system.
@@sub-harmonikI don't think it’s so bizarre. Consent is not always verbal, but people’s wants can easily change. It’d be just easier to ask verbally. And you're right, people should be given better education on the workings of what consent is, and how to recognise and confirm it. It’s pretty easy not to rape people, it’s one of the only crimes which have no logical reason other than causing physical harm to another being for one’s own benefit.
The craziest thing to me about their letters is that he was found guilty of drugging these women to r*pe them and they both thank him for being a sobriety influence on them. It's so out of touch, especially for people who allegedly were in the business of helping victims.
He was found guilty for rape. He didn’t drug the women, as they claimed despite toxicology reports saying otherwise. Dude committed rape, you don’t have to embellish it with falsehoods, it’s still terrible
It's also scary how Ashton said in his letter that he would trust the rapist to babysit his kids... Edit: I also just remembered how both Ashton and Mila were reinforcing the fact that dude was "anti-drugs", when part of the accusation is that he'd drug his victims to take advantage of them
Did you know there is literally zero proof that happened? There was no urine sample, no blood test, nothing. The prosecution literally had nothing to corroborate that claim. Just the words of those two women. That's called hear-say. And they waited 15 years...Come on, that's fishy af. I wouldn't be one bit surprised if he was framed.
Well remembering how Ashton left his girlfriend to naked and stabbed to death on the floor of her apartment back in 2001, this tracks for Ashton Kutcher's bad decisions (I'm referring to the Hollywood Ripper case). I'm happy Demi Moore managed to escape this bozo's clutches.
Yeah, the fact that Ashton says he trusts Danny alone with his kids is extremely terrifying and concerning. I’m not sure how that statement alone doesn’t have Child Protective Services knocking on his door.
I was asked to do a character letter once and at first said yes because I didn’t think they could have done what they were accused of. Once I found out more about the case, I never did it. I couldn’t. It was just disgusting and I didn’t want to be the reason for a lighter sentence than the person deserved.
About 15 years ago my mother had a knock on the door from one of my school friends mother, she asked my mother if she would be willing to give a character reference for her two eldest sons (who were in their late 20s at the time). My mother agreed and wrote out the statement shining a positive light on the them before asking what the crime was (she thought it was brawling or some kind of driving offence). After doing some digging she found out that they had recently been convicted of multiple sexual offences including multiple rapes of underage girls, forced abortion, gang rape, threats to kill, forcing their victims to take heroin, child trafficking, facilitating child prostitution... My mother instantly withdrew her statement and was really shaken up by the whole thing. The men and their 4 accomplices all received life sentences and my old school friends mother still holds it against my family until this day, instead of being angry with her child rapist sons she is angry with my family for refusing to speak highly of her wicked sons.
Drew Gooden made a skit a while back where a character walks in on his friend strangling a person to death and refuses to believe his friend could strangle someone because hes never been strangled by him. I feel like it applies here a bit.
That's called being human. We're horribly flawed, self-contradicting beings who too often choose to believe what we want, rather than what actually is.
Important context: The letters were written in late July of 2023, and the guilty verdict was given in May. They absolutely had heard the testimony and evidence from the trial at that point, in fact there had been a previous mistrial in november 2022. Kutcher has done some incredible work advocating for sex-traffic victims, it's incredibly saddening to see him act this way in regard to victims of sexual assault. It should not matter that he had a personal connection to the assailant, in fact that should be more reason to not involve himself at all.
Look into the statistics of his organization. They overinflate the number of people they’ve helped by thousands. Sure, they do some good work but they’re also super shady about how they report stuff.
I was called on to testify at my college on behalf of my roommate who was a rapist, literally to tell them i didn't SEE him doing any shady shit with women. Which I hadn't. But all I said was "Yeah, I didn't see anything, I don't know what happened when I was out of the room, but no I didn't personally see anything weird," and I still felt dirty for YEARS after that. The idea of going in and being like "Yeah this dude was the best roommate ever he'd never rape anyone he has a smile on his lips and a song in his heart and gives presents to all the good little boys and girls and helps little old ladies cross the street" is fucking insane
Yea but why if they think he’s innocent. Y’all act like women don’t lie? Have we forgotten Amber heard not too long ago? 🧐 or the countless guys that get ruined lives for a sexual assault case
That’s implying at least three things: 1. They know he’s guilty and completely agree with the verdict 2. That a gRapist cannot be rehabilitated 3. That they didn’t confront him at any point for his actions
@@sharpaycutie2 amber did not lie, men are more likely to be raped themselves than falsely accused, and amber heard aside, it’s been proven he’s guilty
fun fact, danny bet ashton $10 to french kiss (with tongue) mila on the show as their first kiss. ashton was 20 , danny was 22 and mila was 14. he took the bet. the writers had her kiss every male actor on the show while she was underage. this was all admitted on a rosie o'donnel interview and another interview. that cast and crew was full of vile behavior and individuals. also, topher grace was the only one that cut all ties with everyone after the show saying they were all toxic and refused to write a letter for danny.
As someone who was good friends with and defended someone accused of SA before finding out that they actually DID commit the crimes they were accused of, this is NOT how you apologize or take ownership of that shit. If they're not out the gate with "We fucked up, we wrote those letters before we knew all the facts and we fully, whole-heartedly rescind everything we said in them," then they knew Danny was guilty the whole time and knowingly support a monster.
@@lenusniq_9746 Just because he was convicted doesn't prove he's guilty. He wouldn't be the first innocent man in jail. That trial was fishy af. Now I'm not saying he didn't do it - I don't know - but I do know that trial was all wrong.
but if the basketball community can get away with it all the time, and the police refuses to even take the evidence, then why should this guy get 30 years ?
Almost the entire That 70's Show cast got involved in Scientology. It seems that part of the reason he wasn't even arrested for so many years was because the church tried as much as they could to cover it up
"almost the entire cast" feels like a big stretch: these two by proxy, Masterson and Laura Prepon (Donna). Never heard a single thing about anybody else's involvement.
You know he did something really deplorable when you’re a CELEBRITY member of Scientology and you get 30 years for something. There’s “money” and then there’s “we can go toe to toe with the IRS and win money”
@@vincentwilkes1955the victims originally reported it 20 years ago but the church of scientology did everything they could to suppress the victims stories and hide the evidence, thats why it took so long
Isnt there like a scientology documentary about how they pretty much set people up and ruin their lives if they do something or dont do something they agree with? Lol
@@parakeetinmyhat yeah but 20 years with no evidence is what I find crazy, like what does he know that they need him in prison for 30 years? I believe all grapers should be beheaded immediately but cases like this seem very shady given time frame and lack of evidence
She was defending him as a "big brother figure"? I would disown and disavow my own _blood relatives_ for this kind of crime, never mind pseudo-sibling.
Gotta love how they don’t specifically say they feel bad for the victims of Danny Masterson, they say “their hearts go out to all the people who have been victims of sexual assault”. I fully believe they don’t think Danny Masterson did it.
Realistically, they don't have to believe it. They should be more empathetic, even just to save their career but no one can force them to believe it, we can just hope they see evidence at the trial
It’s so sad that Ashton literally made a personality out of helping kids out of sex trafficking and then turns around and takes up for a rapist like this isn’t the exact type of people he helps get put behind bars. Edit: idk why people are still commenting on this like there wasn’t any evidence he 100% did the crime and sent ppl after this family to harass them for speaking out against him being a rapist if you’re in my comments defending and if this behavior you are literally just a garbage human being there is no denying that he’s a rapist.
This was my first thought when I heard of this. Like just because he was friends with the convicted suspect he goes out of his way to defend his character after giving a public speech 6 years ago about how their “day job is stopping spread of sex trafficking” super hypocritical
Right? What's w/ him? He took up for Ellen too, saying "she was nothing but nice & professional to me" ... like, no one was worried that the powerful, wealthy guests where being exploited. It was more about low-level staffers, abused by management & forced to take down thier go fund me accts for heath issues, b/c it "made Ellen look bad" that the health coverage at the Ellen show was not sufficient to cover the employee's needs, .... it is bad..... now, this is just like the Ellen thing.... he basically said 'Danny's a good guy because he never SA'd me'.... someone needs to teach Aston to understand object permanence. just b/c u leave the room Aston, it does not mean people stop existing. They can do continue w/ thier life, even if ur not there to see...
idk maybe they just didn't wanna do makeup for it? their jobs include them wearing shit tonnes of makeup constantly so it might be a preference? not to defend them, I just think as a serious criticism of the video this is pretty weak. when there's so much else to pick out and/or make fun of...
Hey Charlie, don’t know if you will see this but there is a dire situation happening to many channels right now including me, revolving around the recent news of edp. Recently many of us in the commentary scene covered the situation with edp and Jidion that you recently covered, however we have been getting hit with community guideline strikes for it. All being under the harassment category for showing the confrontation clip of Jidion and edp. This has resulted in dozens of large creators getting false strikes and we really need some bigger coverage on how RUclips is defending edp and predators.
A really good (former) friend of mine in high school sexually harassed the girls in our friend group (d**kpics and whatnot), but for some reason it took a while for them to say anything. I just overheard them speaking about it, and when I found out, I encouraged everyone to take action. We found out that he had done it before in his previous school, and I just couldn’t believe how we got along so well before. It outright disgusted me even more than before. Because most of us were minors, including him, we couldn’t do anything more than report him to the school authorities. We presented what we had, and we even contacted the girl he had harassed years ago to testify. His parents just put the very shitty excuse that he was “on meds”, and we all knew it wasn’t true. But it was our word (minors) vs theirs, so the school did absolutely fucking nothing about it. We then passed to the next grade (including him), to different groups. He even made new friends like nothing was wrong. 6 years later I’m still holding a huge grudge against him. I still feel really frustrated that nothing was done about it. We all just could stand there, in frustration that nothing was ever done. There was nothing else we could do. I fucking hate it.
@Tommy_Parky Like, I'll never understand these bot accounts. Who falls for this? What brainless moron wastes their time creating these bots? What's the goal and is there any actual results that show that creating these bots are worth the time and effort? Who looks at "Tommy_Parky's" channel and says "durr hurr omg bruh this bot channel has fire content! So much better that *insert youtube channel here*! Subscribed and deepthroated!"? The fuck is the point?
@@brockfuller2074I believe to be actually something along the line of thought that "if they are friends with a bad person it would mean that they are also bad people"
That's not what happened though. Character references are needed for trials to be fair because juries have a habit of assuming the defendant is guilty before being presented any evidence when it's supposed to be the opposite. Ashton Kutcher and Mila Kunis could only go off of what they personally experienced.
Not so fun fact, over 40 celebrities including Wes Anderson, Harrison Ford, Natalie Portman, and more signed a letter calling for the release of Roman Polanski after he was arrested in Zurich. Remember he’s still free today and just released a movie to a 3 minute standing ovation.
At least he cannot step on US soil. Polanski is also the reason why Adele Haenel quit acting at the height of her career. She was fed up with predators who dominate European cinema as well.
You can tell Ashton coochshit is a good actor by this apology. But the women, she sounds so fucking robotic in this like I can’t believe they posted this nothing she said was genuine it sounds so forced. Hollywood and famous people love rape!!!
Like ducking seriously just watch the video again. Every single thing she said was off a script and she couldn’t do a worse job of pretending to care. It’s just disgusting
And how they just "generalized" victims. The apology should have been directly to DANNY'S victims - those were the victims traumatized by their disgusting letters.
“We have “historically” been “researching” (AKA WATCHING) CP to protect victims” -the woman married to a man who met her at 14, yeah not sketchy at all. 😊
I don’t care how much good you’ve done, if you fuck up this monumentally and support the very thing you swore to destroy (it’s still rape, doesn’t matter if the victims weren’t kids) then you are gonna be held accountable. That’s the way it works, and these rich scum think they’re above everyone else and should get away with shit that poor people can’t. I hope more and more people start realizing how shitty most of the 1% are and stop idolizing them. Everyone is capable of evil regardless of class, but the rich public figures are capable of so much worse due to their perceived power and influence. They need a reality check. Every motherfuckin one of them.
"Honey, let's hurry to the most basic looking wall in our multi-million dollar mansion. People are upset at us so I guess we gotta do an apology video :/ "
@@duck-ew5zsthe best part is someone found their home tour posted on a website and it’s a barn fence in their pool area or their million dollar house. You called it!
seeing charlie’s smile sparked a gleam in my eye and a slight palpitation of the heart. my grandmother was watching as well and now she can walk again. my goodness, may charlie inspire millions once more
I'm SO glad that you covered this. It's such a strange and disturbing line of thought. Imagine fifty people submitting letters at Ted Bundy's trial asking for leniency because he worked at a rape crisis clinic. I have to say, their "compassion" for victims rings pretty hollow now. Making a martyr of Danny Masterson is in no way helpful to them. I feel so sorry for the actual victims of this case. They were betrayed by EVERYONE, before and after the fact. I'm glad to know that their justice has been received at last.
I hate to be this person, but he actually volunteered for a suicide hotline call center, not rape crisis. But yes, your point still stands, and I agree with you. This is really fucked up.
@MelissaLawrence2002 Oh, my bad. I've heard both. Apparently he also wrote a "rape prevention" pamphlet and helped draft the new hitchhiker laws in Washington. I just can't imagine fifty people campaigning for leniency in his favor. It's interesting, too. Bundy framed himself as very anti-rape, and Masterson framed himself as being very anti-drug use.
@@pollyc.1957 you're totally fine, don't sweat it, my friend. I agree, that it's an absolutely absurd situation, and your comparison really puts it into perspective for those who may side with Masterson.
You clearly didn't watch the ted bundy trial, the judge actually praised bundy! Said all sort of nice things about him, even said that he wished they would've worked together in the courtroom. It's the craziest thing I ever seen!
This is why a jury exists; the clouded judgements of loved ones cannot or shouldn't be allowed to sway justice. They may have had a good relationship with him- but defending him even years after working together for crimes they have no witness in- their opinion of him does not matter compared to the crime. Someone can be a seemingly great person to 80% of others while the targeted few are harmed through SA or Murder. It feels like how people talked about Ted Bundy (in a way) how they respected him even with his unsettling actions. How Brock Turner's parents wrote letters defending him because 'he has potential' and tbh, a family member of mine was arrested a while back for being an S.O. and their parent wrote a boohoo letter. It's all denial, and I can understand there's levels of shock and disbelief to it...but like, clouded opinions can easily sweep away the victims' experiences. Not cool.
I assume Danny is guilty as sin, but I don't fault his family and friends for supporting him if they have doubts. A certain percentage of American prisoners were wrongly convicted, correct? I haven't followed any scientific studies on the matter, but statistically the number *must* be above 0%. So it's simply not true that because a jury has convicted someone beyond a reasonable doubt that there's no chance they've been wrongly convicted. There must be families and friends attached to these people that have advocated for them, yes? Let's say hypothetically you were convicted in a criminal court, beyond a reasonable doubt, for rapes you didn't commit, you would hope your loved ones immediately turned their backs on you as soon as the judge's gavel slammed down?
@@taylortaylor6845I also can't find it, it seems like just the victims accounts? Kinda strange he got 30 years with that little proof, but if he's guilty he deserves it
jury is very flawed because they’re human.. jury can be swayed by the courts, and out of the courts ( floyd being a good example.. chauvin was convicted because the jury was terrified of the public.. who were harrassing sending threats, etc.. same with the Murdoch trail.. which more evidence reveal the court reporter was manipulating the jury, a lot of corruption.. in order to get a 100% gulty verdict.. There there I s the trial of the black guy that killed over 50+ seniors in a senior home.. one lady was an activist ( the prosecution deliberately wanted her on the jury).. and refused to go guilty even tho all the evidence was there.. because - he’s black.. she won’t convict a black guy.. her stubbornness and holding the jury hostage got him not guilty - and those fmaily members 0 justice.. Jury is severely flawed.. which is why jury selection is so crucial in winning for either they defense of prosecution.. it very rare you get a 1000% impartial jury.. very very rare.. especially high profile cases. As someone that knows people in the justice system.. it’s all a game.. thats the problem.. the justice system is highly flawed.. but its the best one you have in the world because you ‘ judged by your peers’ and everyone is presumed innocent until PROven guilty. Sadly that is kinda changing these days wher you’re guilty and need to prove innocence . Everything is calculated.. having media there.. they know can sway opinions, public knows threatening the jury case sway verdicts.. ( aka.. antifa threatening the jury including the lawyer saying she will hunt the jury down if they don’t give a not guilty verdict.. its f up) This is why, trials and good judges tend NOT to allow layers play the emotion card ( made very famous by johnny Cochran).. and stick to the facts. Evidence is key.. which is also why you want an impartial jury who has 0 interest or knowledge in a case. The problem now, especially in she said he said is there is basically no evidence. So it’s story telling.. can you convince the jury ? Yes there is denial.. but there is also a point where you don’t have enough to convince someone.. If you told me that dog stole the cookie.. ok.. give me evidence.. you show me a broken jar.. doesn’t prove the dog did it.. it could have been the cat.. so you need more and more evidence.. so yes, in cases were all the evidence is there everything.. even the killer smiling and selfies.. thats denial.. But when there is plausible innocence.. it’s not really denial.. it’s you haven’t proven beyond reasonable doubt they did it.. which is why she said he said verdicts are some of the worst.. and usually wrong verdict.. its who can tell a better story. I don’ t know anything about this case.. but from what I read in teh comments, this is a very he said she said case.. with barely any evidence. So there is even 1% he’s innocent.. thats not beyond reasonable doubt. So i don’t agree that family and friends defending someone they believe in are fools.. or idiots.. If hes guilty, he’s very good a manipulating, his friends and family are weak but good people.. My friend was accused of r…because some guys were jealous of him.. so they wanted to get back at him.. i nkow him… he wans’t even there.. he doesn’t even live in that area or country.. of course i believed him.. and turns out yes.. he was being metoo’d by a bunch of guys jealous of him.. all the evidence was he never even been to that location, doesn’t live there.. doesn’t kow anyone there.. no proof.. But if this happened now.. people would say he’s guilty.. and we need 0 evidence.. that is me too.
@gasstationpeanuts1814 true, but it still can be a bit dicey when you have to question how many are blindly defending them vs how many are honest. If they were witnesses and around during the time of the crime, their words could feel very defensive and ignorant. Granted this is only one view of a large case and I wish there was more focus on the evidence instead of testimonials but it comes together. Plenty of innocent people are charged even with positive and honest testimonials. The system of court dates, appealing, bond payments, and extremely long waits are one of the main issues in the justice system often based on privatized prison gain and such. The jury is the important key to an at least logical approach to a presented crime. Putting compliments in front of DNA samples is what I've seen and worried about. Too many 🍇ers and SO are left off the hook and this isn't one of them so seeing two figure heads seemingly defend the criminal in a very nonchalant and happy way is what's upsetting. They could've been 'when we interacted with him he seemed good. We would've never expected this of him sort of talk. I do think a lot of celebrity court trials have too much press to a degree and it's possible they thought it'd be private testimonials but nothing can be private for them anymore. Which does suck for them.
i read the whole thing and my jaw was just dropped 😭, they basically said “yea he’s raped people but he was nice to me”. like this is an exact quote : “while I'm aware that the judgement has been cast as guilty on two counts of rape by force and the victims have a great desire for justice. I hope that my testament to his character is taken into consideration in sentencing.” like nobody cares about how nice you thought he was he still did what he did and deserves to serve the full time
@@FrenkieWest32 personally, as Charlie said, if my lifelong friend is convicted of rape, there is no way in hell I am defending them. Unless I have substantial evidential proof that they are innocent.
I’m curious what Charlie’s opinion on the Topher Grace controversy is. It’s interesting that, during the filming of That 70’s Show, the cast blacklisted and shunned Topher for not wanting to hangout with them or befriend them and tried to drag his name for years. Now, all of those same actors are being dragged for supporting Masterson while Topher is just chilling lol.
He wasn’t even accused, the letters were after he was CONVICTED, the letters were there so he could get a lighter sentence after he was shown to be guilty
While it was important for them to apologize for supporting a deplorable person, it is common for judges to request letters from people before sentencing. This is done so judges can evaluate someone via a list of factors to determine punishment/time. Source: I was an intern for a federal judge -I’ve seen them read comments from letters when discussing sentencing, and I’m a 3L.
legal procedure shouldn’t cloud the morals of those involved. just because people had the option to support a rapist doesn’t mean they should have supported them
Also are we forgetting "innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt"? When they were asked for character letters he was still "innocent" in the eyes of the law because his crimes had not been proven in a court of law yet. So writing a character statement for your friend who is being accused of being a rapist before ANY of the evidence has come to light doesn't seem nearly as scummy as Charlie is making it out to be. If they had stuck with those charcter statements after the trial however...
Anybody with google can find what you just wrote 🤣 at the end of the day, it’s close people willing to vouch for the accused. I’m sure you understand with case law, things are highly scrutinized usually public information. These celebs knew their names would be attached to this, this is literally nothing new
I feel like there's an easy way to apologize for this. Just say that he used to be a close friend, and that deeply clouded your judgment and made you not want to believe that he did the things he's been convicted of. People won't forgive you for that, but it'll be honest and a lot of people will at least be more understanding. Or go the celebrity apology route and try to make excuses for yourself.
This. Just say "Our judgement was clouded. Between his family asking for our help, and us wanting to help the friend we thought he was, we did something heinous. We're sorry." There. It's not good, but it's way, way more understandable.
Thing is that wouldn't have been honest. If they were honest they'd have to admit they didn't care enough about the victims to want their friend behind bars.
I know, the whole “that wasn’t our intention” or “we didn’t mean to” is such a cop out. Might as well not say anything about it if your not going to own up to what u did and take accountability.
@@Zack-vi7is A letter isn't going to stop him from going behind bars, and obviously didn't. He still got a very serious penalty, and they probably knew that was still going to happen. People act like they were trying to help him completely escape consequences.
When are people going to learn that just because someone does good things and is a good friend to you does not mean they are incapable of doing bad things to others?
No friendship or amount of brotherhood excuses or forgives a terrible victimizing act like rape. As a friend the most you can do is acknowledge their wrongdoing and pray for them. Even reaching out to the victims and apologizing to them and giving them your support, if they knew him so well they could do right trying to rectify and help those who Danny victimized.
Brother, you're naive as fuck if you think all those celebrities wrote those letters because they genuinely thought the guy is a good guy. They did that cause everyone in Hollywood has their backs and are coordinated. It's solidarity for evil. They didn't write those letters on their own initiative, they were told to in order to protect that guy.
Ashton will never learn that. This situation reminds me of when he publicly defended Ellen Degeneres after a bunch of her employees went public about how badly she treated them.
“Hey guys! Just to clear it up, we weren’t trying to defend this guy, we were just trying to get him a lighter sentence. Really if you look past the terrible things he’s done, he’s a decent fella. Anyways, hopefully us supporting this man doesn’t have a negative affect on the victims, but I’m sure they wouldn’t mind him getting less jail time anyways❤”
The letters remind me of during the Brock turner case how it was always mentioned he was a good athlete. Like that had nothing to do with his crime, it was just said to make people sympathize with him. In these cases too many times people somehow end up being more sympathetic to the perpetrators than to the victims. It’s awful
That's a super common tactic, especially in college athlete trials. Often judges understand how important it is to make the plaintiff seem as innocent as possible because it'd then reflect badly on the college. It's a fucking disgusting bit of trivia in any case that "he's good at X so he MUST be a good person" many people attacked the victims of Cosby because he was such a loved member of society and represented so much good, people couldn't comprehend he was a monster like that.
This really hurts their credibility when it comes to fighting against the things they do, if they really cared about what they are fighting for why did they so quickly support someone who was proven guilty.
The best way for me to explain would be that the people they fight against outside this case are strangers, thus it's easier to persecute people they don't know rather than someone they are close with (in this case, Danny). Shouldn't be like that though, yeah
If they actually believe he is innocent after hearing the evidence then it's not morally wrong for them to advocate on his behalf. He seems very guilty from what evidence I've seen, but I don't think a guilty verdict in an American criminal court is a magical 100% unassailable, unquestionable edict handed down from the heavens.
@@mixtapeweezy6871 Dude! My sister is THE most important person in the world to me and the idea she could do something like this is ludicrous obviously but if hypothetically in the scenario she was guilty - I would NEVER help her get a lesser sentence! I could still love her, visit and help her in jail get help mentally etc but I would NEVER excuse the crime, particularly not just because I loved the person. That would be a knife in the gut to the victim and support the notion that this type of crime isn’t that bad. I could never be a party to that.
Concidering Ashton has helped save over 6000 sex trafficking victims a third of which were children I'll give him the benafites of the doubt this was just him helping his freind before the judge ruled he was guilty
You're right, I experienced this when a friend was arrested for CP... Even if they're your best friend, normal people would feel disgusted & BETRAYED, not a need to help them get a lesser sentence! I was upset that I never suspected anything. I was embarrassed that he was calling me & friends from jail wanting to "just talk." I felt sorry for his family. And most of all, I was upset for the victims, especially as I learned more details... Even as a great friend to me, I would NEVER write a letter on his behalf. It's a terrible situation, but he deserved to face justice.
A friend of mine had this happen when she found out through the court that her home girl was involved in a homicide against her ex-BF. I'll skip some details, but she initially showed up in defense as her friend tried to manipulate her into thinking that she did it in self defense. As the court process went on, more and more details were revealed, such as text messages, bullet trajectory etc. My friend started to wonder how long has her friend been manipulating their friendship; feelings of disgust and betrayal sink in and it was pretty ugly.
Hi! I went through the exact same experience. The guy was a close, close friend for many years - over 20 years. I think he didn’t get enough time! He should never walk free again as far as I’m concerned. Thanks for your comment. It actually helps me feel less alone.
This sounds like a version of "Well he might have stabbed someone 40 times, but he always said hello to me when we crossed in the stairs, so he isn't all bad". We are not sentencing him based on whether or not he was a good person, we are sentencing him based on whether or not he did bad things.
In the end all the letters were irrelevant as they had nothing to do with rape, they were basically pleading for him to get off with a couple years in prison
Charlie has a brutal command of the language. If he had and English accent it would be even more amazing. I have always admired Charlie and his wit and delivery. Dude is genius level.
One of the lesser known people in this case is the wife of Cedric Bixler of At The Drive-In and The Mars Volta. Chrissie was one of Danny's victims. Cedric shut down all of his social media accounts at one point because the "church" killed his dogs, and were trying to keep them silent. It is an entire rabbit hole you should investigate Charlie. Worth the time and would make an incredible video.
Character letters are a way to help the court decide how likely the person is to be rehabilitated. Someone with a strong support system and an otherwise good and clean history is more likely to be rehabilitated than someone who does not have those things.
@@aimlj94 You'd think that, but it happens all the time. It's no stretch of the imagination to believe that there are rapists who have been released from prison who go on to never rape again.
@@aimlj94People like you and Charlie need to stop this "evil" shit. Yes, it's fucking terrible, but it's not "evil". It's human nature at its worst. Rape isn't always in a dark alley or sex dungeon with sadistic glee (it still happens obviously: sex trafficking and the like). People who became intoxicated, were too dense or too self-absorbed to see that consent, if there was any, was under duress. Rape is rape. It's incorrigible no matter the circumstances. People are selfish. People are depraved. Stop acting all confused. I'm not saying everyone has an inner rapist or some garbage like that. However everyone is CAPABLE of becoming one.
Ive never commented on a YT video but you are very intelligent, and it doesn't feel like im losing brain cells watching your videos. And you are very knowledgeable about everything you speak on.
Hilariously, those character witness statements from Kutcher read by Charlie are him describing how someone should be, and act, normally, in general. "He was professional at work and treated everyone nicely." Yeah, that's literally the bare minimum for being a human being.
that's the whole point of the letters, to show character. They were probably asked to write about their experiences with him. It's insane anyone would fault people for writing a character witness statement for court, especially before he's found guilty.
@@moonasha but that's my point. how much character does someone have when the entire point of you character statement about them is "they did their job and were decent to people"? as I said, that's literally baseline. if that was the best that someone could write about my character, i probably didn't do anything to warrant any special consideration about the person I am. also, i never gave Kutcher nor Kunis a problem for doing so. my comment was about what they wrote, so...
Wouldn’t be surprised if they actually were forced to write these by the Scientology crew… considering the involvement they’ve had in this case I think it’s likely they were threatened with social repercussions unless they wrote those letters
I will say, the one time I was asked to write a character statement, it was before I knew what the case was, and I fully wished I would've known the facts of the case before this person's lawyer came to me and I can only hope my letter was never seen
@@Amused_Comfort_Inche’s actually not. Ashton’s letter said at the very end “Well I’m aware the jury has found him guilty of two counts of rape” meaning this was written after he was proven guilty
@@Amused_Comfort_Incno he's not. They had the resources to find out what the trial was about beforehand unlike the everyday person who might not know what the trial is about but proceeded to defend their very likely guilty friend. Not only that but Topher Grace who didn't deny being a friend to Danny still didn't write a letter like they did. And he explained why way back in 2018 as he didn't want to come across as defending the accused's actions. If Topher knew about the proceedings and what he was being accused of then surely Ashton and Mila could have found out. They could have said something similar that while Danny was a good friend to them, they would not try to influence the judge's sentencing decision so as not to be seen as defending his assault on these women.
I mean, one would hope, if those letters are considered public record, they would _always_ be presented with the disclaimer of "this letter was written before the trial and thus may not reflect the writer's current opinions". Not that the internet cares to make that distinction. Evidently it's inconceivable that someone may have at some point been on good terms with a monster without knowing they were a monster.
Yep. I had a friend of over 20 years that I dropped like a bad habit when they were brought up on charges of touching 3 little girls. With having like stories, no matter what I thought of him, I couldn't ignore that he almost guaranteed did the acts he was accused of. It was sad to do, but I don't want to associate with anyone that would do things like that.
Your friend was 99% likely to have been molested and traumatized as a child. This kind of sentiment you have makes it impossible to seek proper help and understanding, thus leading to them acting out on these disturbed attractions. It's extremely rare to find a naturally formed pedophile. Stop acting like they are vile monsters. Start treating them humanely and advocating for them to have mandatory mental health treatment.
@michaelrising9441 He actually wasn't molested or anything as a child. Either way, everyone has the ability to break the chain. I'm refuse to make excuses for people that do these kinds of things. Your comment makes you sound like a pedo-sympathizer. You might not be, but you took time to excuse away guilt.
Charlie I’m proud to say your channel was the first one I visited while flying 35000 ft in the air (I’m a flight attendant) our aircraft just got wifi installed. Also, listening to her apologize sounded robotic like she was in an advertisement
Ironically, them trying to make it clear that they weren’t questioning the jury or the victims makes them look worse, because I’m sure more people would forgive them if they said that they wrote those letters because they believed their friend was being wrongly convicted
When a friend or family member is convicted of a crime, you need to put your emotions and thoughts about them to one side. They are not the person you thought they were.
I have a family member who was charged with a similar crime and I cut ties immediately. I also cut off relationships with anyone that enabled or hid his crimes.
Publicly apologizing only works if you actually mean it. It never works if you just read a pre-prepared apology letter, written by chat-GPT and approved by a lawyer and a PR firm, after clearly doing something heinous. People are smart enough to recognize a genuine apology when they hear one, and that's not what this was. And honestly I don't even know if you can apologize for this. This is so sick and weird. I lost a lot of respect for both of them for this.
i’m not gonna lie i agree with this but most apologies are written out so you can get all your thoughts across. and honestly i feel like no one ever thinks any apology is good like no matter what
no they cant apology's never work.... onlyjayus was nearly cancelled for something 4 years before and her apology seemed good but people still hated it.
@@killapositionz2 your acting like their not human and can see how their past decisions were wrong. we grow and evolve and learn lessons. we’re not the same people we were before
@emilygrace No… this isn’t the same. While they may not have known about the situation at the time it was happening back then, the fact these things came up in court, proved as factual, and then just prior to sentencing a letter of character was written to try to soften the blow of the punishment… Ashton and Mila had a very important opportunity to stay as far away from this case as possible, and not only did they choose to get involved, they chose the WORST WAY to get tied to this - by defending a convicted rapist. That is… basically as bad as being the rapist themselves. That was definitely avoidable and they PICKED IT on purpose.
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It's honestly super surprising that he got 30 years for 2 rape charges. Most rapists hardly even get time, its good to see.
Should be a precedent for future rape cases
Yeah the horrible one that happened in France where she was basically impaled with a broomstick got 180 days, insane... but i would say thats because of politics because its a refugee that did it
I wonder if the judge was a victim or have dealt with multiple rape cases, cause she even pointed out how people are blind to the offender's nice side and use it to determine if the incident really happened.
@@ichigocandy936 Surprised a refugee got charged at all with how common that is for them
Dont fool yourself into thinking he will actually serve that time
I REFUSE to acknowledge that this is an apology video if they're not playing the ukulele. Colleen Ballinger has set the bar so high for a proper apology videos and it should be the new standard for another to come.
Everybody hop on board the r*pist defender train
If they were at least doing an interpretive dance that’d be *something*
@@sigzil1985me when I’m dense
True. If a wacky instrument is not involved, it doesnt count. Some variety would be great to see too, maybe someone will break out the banjo or even a didgeridoo
Yes, without underpinning the sincerity of each other’s apology with a kazoo and a slide whistle, the words are hollow.
5:19 how does he manage to sound so serious and jokingly at the same time💀
i replay that part over and over that buuut is hilarious😂😂
Metairony? Hyperirony?
That's Charlie for you
sounding serious and jokingly, all at once. I think it's an amazing talent. *in my opinion*
“Mentioning Scientology is like mentioning Voldemort in the real world” that could not be more true to the core.
In what way was it associated with Masterson and these allegations? I can't find anything relevant to both...
lol where were you looking? Scientology covered this up for years, stifled investigations, and probably encouraged the original act.@@drankydrank1
@@drankydrank1 They protected him for YEARS.
The rapes happened around 20 years ago, the victims were also scientologists, the cult threatened and controlled them into staying silent. they were also attackign everyone supporting the victims while the case was happening, and trying to interfere in the trial and tamper/intimidate the witnesses.
They also knew MAsterson did it, he admitted to scientology that he did.
he's a scientologist bruh@@drankydrank1
@@drankydrank1 Masterson and all 3 survivors were members of the church of scientology. Scientologists don't trust government bodies and heavily discourage law enforcement getting involved. They have their own internal process to report crimes and transgressions. The women reported the assaults to a Scientology Ethics Officer. Because Masterson was a contributing member in "good standing" and a pretty big career, Scientology covered for him. He paid one of the victims 400k in restitution along with paying money to Scientology to provide classes to help should that woman's child ever have any emotional impact from the assault. There are also letters from one of the survivors mother's to the current "head" of Scientology asking for justice for her daughter. Scientologists also have fairly routine sessions to help them " get clear" that are almost like confessionals in some regards ---- and from what I gather --- masterson confessed to doing it on those.
So yeah - it happened - just scientology was covering for him because it's bad press and they don't want their image being muddied.
I like how celebs make themselves look so run down when they do apology videos.
They don't make themselves do that lol, they just don't have a huge team on standby to make these videos to do their make up. It may be in part them trying to look more relatable, but I imagine a lot of it is just this is how they normally look before they go under the brush for 4 hours.
@@xXArmitronXxthey do have a huge team on this video, every word was gone over beforehand
@@xXArmitronXxyou’re wrong. And you have a small brain.
@@xXArmitronXxthey absolutely had a team write this "apology" video essay for them and said team probably told them to look like shit too
@@yguy1232not a lot of writers in hollywood willing to do that sort of work at the moment
When are people going to realize that publicly apologizing is GUARANTEED to make your situation far far far worse.
Only when the apology is insincere and dishonest.
I mean maybe but at the same time sometimes the apology isn't about how good it will make you look its just you renouncing your previous views and saying that I was wrong and I don't want to advocate for this in the world. If no one ever apologized for anything fucked up they did in any kind of public way I think that would send a super fucked up messaged. I'd definitely rather be in a world where people put out sucky insincere apologies that at least convey the idea X behavior ISNT okay.
i don't think it's the fact that they're apologizing but the fact that their "apologies" are usually made to downplay what they did instead of owning up to it
Yeah. I'd rather not saying anything and being called apathetic/ ignorant, than trying to make myself look good by showing "sympathy".
@@Zack-vi7isyeah but it doesn't matter how sincere it is, people will always call it insincere or a bad apology. There's almost never been a time when people took an apology seriously. If I was famous I'd never apologize, because I know no one would care and would rip me apart anyways.
"We support victims.... except when the perpetrator is our friend."
We support all victims
Uhh about that....see. thats different
There it is, you’ve just described Hollywood
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@@soloholo4953 If Ashton Kutcher and Mila Kunis did the right thing much earlier, they would at least accept that Danny Masterson is no longer their friend. I hate to say this, but I need to say it. Character letters about the nice person the perpetrator once was, do not matter in the eyes of the victims who do not know or think about Danny Masterson in that way. Especially if Danny Masterson's r*pe victims _were_ his friends before they became his victims. April 18, 2024, 9:23am
I mean they were asked to write what THEIR experience were with him. I mean its is the judges job to give out a fair sentence and it is their job to tell the truth. I don't like the idea of mobbing on people for telling their experience with just because they did something bad. Someone doing one thing bad does not mean everything he did was bad. I think the judge knows what he did and he was checking about the risk and the tendency of this happening and how obvious it was. If people want rapists to get lifetime sentences then i am down but it is cringe to get mad at someone for literally telling their relationship with someone else.
Colleen really set the bar, and now everyone's thinking "well my apology video cant possibly be as bad as that!"
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@@DZXJR go ahead lol
I'll also comment. Your comment made me do the nose exhale thing. Good job.
@@DZXJR Well I do mind, because you could have at least included something of substance in your comment..
If they don’t pull out a ukulele and sing, they know their apology will still be better than hers
everytime i see apology videos like these i physically cannot bring myself to believe that anyone but a 13 year old wrote them
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@@MrH.09 no seriously wtf is happening
Dear God these bots 😂
Apparently an apology video makes it all better! 🙄
My farts smell better than Charlie's farts
I just find it crazy that Ashton especially agreed to writing a letter to character for Masterson since he founded an organization to fight human trafficking and help victims, and all of a sudden that just goes out the window because your old buddy got caught??
Right like that caught me so off guard I thought he was a genuinely good person who's so openly against that
It seemed very general and wrote with coaching from a lawyer. It likely was more for the family than it was for him. They could also believe that people can change and get help. 30 years is a life sentence.
"to fight human trafficking victims" was worded poorly, but gave me a chuckle
@@peapopeathis should really be said more. Charlie's whole take on this is kind of bad. Their letters are only an issue if they knew what he was doing, otherwise all they can do is state what they thought of him. Saying they should have condemned him or that they should have refused is "guilty until proven innocent," which is not what we should want. The entire point of character references is that they are based on impressions of the person before being accused. They aren't being asked, "the accused hasn't been tried yet but what would you think of him if he was found guilty?"
It’s because he’s part of the problem. I heard about him like seven years ago, don’t be fooled by these people
“I dislike sexual assault as much as the next guy, rape, booo 👎🏻 buuuttttt”
Once again, Topher Grace is proving himself to be the best cast member from That 70’s Show/ That 90’s Show. He was considered an asshole for distancing himself from the cast, but now it makes perfect sense why he distanced himself from them
What about Laura Prepon? Did she do anything bad or did she also distance herself from them?
@@Aarinoo She just distanced herself from the scientology after he was accused, but other than that, remained quiet, which is probably the smart thing to do.
We all owe him an apology.
Topher Grace doesn't have any projects anymore. Mila and Ashton do. The group that ordered Mila and Ashton to write this letter didn't have anything to hold against Topher.
@@neoasura Laura has no upcoming projects, so there is nothing to hold anything against her. Mila and Ashton still have ongoing work. If a powerful group's reputation were to be damaged by Danny's case, then that group would like want Ashton and Mila to use their power and influence to help bury Danny's story.
I misunderstood and thought at first that they had sent these letters while the trial was ongoing. The fact that they did this after the conviction makes it horrifying.
Seems like he was convicted without third party witnesses or any concrete evidence. They most likely think he could be innocent, and 30 years in prison for alleged crimes 20 years ago without any substantial proof is kind of scary to be honest...
I dont wanna pay taxes 😢😨😨
@@123asd4221 believe all victims = guilty until proven innocent
Not saying he's innocent but 30 years with 0 evidence is insane
@@123asd4221 I wouldn’t believe Scientology propaganda if I were you… unless you’re one of them then makes sense to comment this
@@Andy-oe1tp So... uh... What's the evidence then? I have tried to look but can't find anything except victim statements.
They definitely should've hired someone to write this statement for them. The fact that Ashton emphasized that it was supposed to be for the judges eyes only shows that they knew this was a dirty move
Dirty move or not i dont agree with anything they said or did but one has to wonder why the statement and letter to the judge was made public in the first place. Since you have the right to disclose this freely with the Judge. So either someone paid a big sum to the Judge or it was accidently released.
@@MichaSennin in the US character references in a trial are public record unless the judge decides to seal them for a specific reason, but it’s rare for them to be sealed. Anyone can request the trial documents and since this is a celebrity there is a lot of media interest in the case. The letters are also provided to the defendants legal team so they could’ve released them to influence public sentiment.
So? Can they not defend their friend. Its a letter apology so what. They wrote a letter
@@theresurrection33Eesh. Cringe take
@@theresurrection33 yikes. what kind of person defends a predator.
it’s so weird, ashton and mila are both very involved with helping sexual abuse victims and children and trafficked people . for them to do this is so odd.
Unfortunately it’s common for people to act like this with people they know closely or are related too.
That's not odd, he is their friend.
For example, I would still support my parents even if they got accused with rape or murder.
@@carnifexia1725you would?
@@carnifexia1725 no morals eh?
@@selrox879 morals are totally subjective, some people like me value family the most and some people like you value other things higher...
for the first minute and a half I was sympathetic, writing a character reference for a former friend on trial for rape must be a hard thing to get right. Then I saw that these letters were written AFTER conviction, and were asking for leniency. Absolutely insane.
It's called friends.
@@springheeledjack165 if my friend was proven guilty i would never try to lighten their sentence. they're a danger to other people. if you actually cared about your friend, you would let them pay for their crimes.
@@springheeledjack165if my friend got convicted on multiple counts of rape that is no longer my friend
ngl its easy to say something like that when you AREN'T actually having to cut off a friend/family member. The way that Ashton acted in this literally proves it, bro does "sex trafficking" non profits but STILL wanted to support his rapist friend. i guarantee you if your BEST friend was accused you wouldn't have the backbone to actually stop supporting them.@@jackleg6143
@@springheeledjack165a good friend would not heIp their friend avoid justice. If a friend of mine did something so eviI I would never stand in the way of justice, but I would aIso not abandon them. There is a baIance between being a good friend and being an enabIer
This is celebrity culture right here, this is why predators can get away with these kind of stuff because their elite friends have their backs
100%
you'll move on next week
@@theresurrection33 if you say so incel
S@@theresurrection33 Source: your rectum
@@theresurrection33edgy 12 year old spotted
I agree. They basically said, "We wrote those letters cause we didn't think anyone would know. Sorry that you found out."
Exactly !
Right?! That is why it bothers me so much when people defend Ashton and Mila for writing those letters claiming they were just doing it to defend their friend and that they had no idea he was evil blah blah. If they REALLY believed he was innocent and wrongly convicted, and were totally oblivious to his dark side, then they wouldn’t have been so concerned over the fact that the public saw the letters. The fact that they admitted they thought the letters would be confidential shows that they’re well aware that what Danny did was wrong, as is their support of him. Otherwise, the confidentiality (or lack thereof) of the letters would not have even been a concern of theirs at all.
So yeah, I agree; they aren’t sorry they wrote the letters. They’re sorry the public has now seen their true colors, finally.
So I actually have a childhood friend who ended up murdering a women in cold blood. In my experience it's hard to separate the person you knew vs the person they became. It feels super weird and tbh while I disagree with thier statements I can understand it. It's tough to separate once your in that situation where someone you respected turns out to do something terrible. Just giving another perspective
I completely agree, this is a concern that relates to moral relativism and a pre-established concept of a person vs newly given information
I can understand and respect that. I kinda feel like people who know/care about someone convicted of serious crimes like rape/murder are kind of victims of the lies the perpetrator told. The perpetrator put forward the idea that they were a good person and wouldn't be capable of it. So to find out that they were in fact capable of that and they did it can be a bit of a mindf*ck.
That being said, I'm not defending Mila or Ashton. It's one thing to feel conflicted about how a friend of yours turns out to be a predator, it's another thing to try and defend them. It's callous to the victims. Full stop.
@khaleesireyna731 Yea good point I get that. I'm not defending them either but unless you've been in that situation it's just weird to get around you know. They made a mistake but that doesn't make them terrible people imo
Dude what.
I had one best friend turn out to be a groomer and im still absolutely emotionally devastated but hell i surely did called him out i surely got police involved.
You can absolutely separate good experiences with the pains of others it just takes a shitton of emotional maturity which most people don't have in this specific realm of events. X.x
This is correct, an ex childhood best friend of mine (we knew each other when I was one and he was only a few months older than me) has fallen into crime in the ripe old age of 16. He has done so much shit, but the worst thing he's done is break into a house with a gang of friends, and then stab the homeowner with a machete. The homeowner didn't die nor have any permanent injuries apart from scarring to my knowledge, but it feels so ghostly to remember the worst 'crimes' he used to commit was trying to pressure me into saying what he was going to get for his birthday. It feels so strange that he was once so funny and close to me, but know I avoid him like the plague. I understand being in denial that a frined may have done something like that, but defending your friend (aimed at ashton and mila, not you) when there is cold hard solid proof of them committing the crime is unforgivable imo
One of my best friends of 15 years was accused of rape and he told all of us that he had sex with a girl that had a boyfriend and they got caught by the boyfriend so she accused him of rape because she got caught cheating. I knew him for 15 years and he was a great dude, i wrote a character letter for my friend because I believed him the person that I didnt think would be capable of something like that. Turns out it was true and he was convicted. I had never been more disgusted with myself for writing that letter and for awhile I was very upset with myself but I have since come to terms that I was tricked by someone I trusted and that the blame wasnt on myself. It still was a very difficult situation and even know I still feel bad about it.
Thanks for sharing the story, really harsh. My ex wife was very very verbally and physically abusive and one day I had enough and defending myself by holding her back from kicking me in the nuts. She then went on Twitter and told everyone we both knew (including my family) that I beat her. To this day some of my old friends still think I am a wife beater, only a few people that really knew me came forward and defended me. Long story short you did the right thing, even if you were wrong. More times people lie then tell the truth on these situations, glad you tried to fight for what you thought was true even though it wasn’t. The guilt would have been much worse if your friend was innocent and you did nothing.
@@LuciferosDadman, that's horrible. Hope you're enjoying a more peaceful life
Was she worth 🍇ing
What made u stop believing his word?
@@LuciferosDad I hope you're doing well. I HEAVILY disagree that "more times people lie than tell the truth on these situations" unless you're also talking about the accused lying as well. If you mean overall, absolutely yeah. Either way, I'm very sorry that happened to you. She sucks. Its corny but time heals all, even when its plastered on social media. I know from experience lol
Especially with the type of work that Kutcher does with rescuing sex trafficking victims, I’m absolutely baffled as to how he and Mila Kunis could do that. What an awful and completely boneheaded thing to do. The apology was so robotic and weak, too. 🤦♂️
Usually Character letters are before the trial, so there is a very likely chance they wrote these before he was convicted and thought better of him. Stil completely understand the outrage though.
This is why I hate Charlie. Charlie twists everything, saying that they did this to give him a lighter sentence which is not true at all, they did it because they originally thought he was innocent and was written 2 months prior to the conviction. Which is understandable because in this day and age false accusations are made a lot. Ashton literally works to free child slaves from prostitution rings, why would he support any rapist?! But of course Charlie just says whatever he thinks is true and right and because he has such a large active audience everyone takes it as face value for the truth. I see it time and time again, all Charlie is is a online bully
@@Priskiswatchingthey said they only wrote the letters a few months ago
@@Mrbetsalotbro I’m looking at your old comments and all you do is complain about Charlie and what he does. You’re no better than him. Also, he’s a commentary channel, of course he’ll talk about things that make him upset or angry.
@@Mrbetsaloti agree with u on that, he is taking the wrong approach on this one. His opinions are distorted
I love apology videos, they are never made to actually apologize. They only exist for the entertainment of the masses.
@SyakirinTheStickManok oedipus
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guess what? I'm laughing so hard right now!
Imagine saying “masses” in 2023
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The only one that was ever sincere was Jenna Marbles.
I had no idea who Charlie was a few months ago, one of his videos came across my RUclips feed and I decided to watch. My first impression was I liked him and thought he has a refreshingly honest point of view. That turned into respect quickly. Charlie makes the world a better place, even for a 50ish woman who never played a video game in her life.
Charlie is for everyone! Glad people of all ages can come together and agree he’s a great content creator.
What I like about Charlie is that he doesn’t _usually_ have the same tribalistic mindset that exists almost everywhere now. He understands that you can both agree/disagree with certain aspects of a problem, issue, situation, etc. while also having the intellect to know that not everything that happens is somehow related to politics.
@@TitaniumTurbine Some people say Charlie is "bland" and has "normie" opinions. If having good common sense and being impartial is normie behavior in today's climate then shit, I wish everyone was a normie.
@@waterbottles393 common sense is cringe, extremist tribalism is based.
@@nickchivers9029say sike rn
I hate that character letters/statements are even a thing in court for these type of cases. Just because someone doesn’t behave in a gross monstrous way around their friends/colleagues doesn’t take from their gross, monstrous behaviors with their victims. As I’ve heard it put: ‘That’s some object-permanence peekaboo BS’ on the friends/courts’ behalf.
@@Ram-zc4fi if you need sex Ed class to tell you that you need consent before having sex with someone then you have issues and are pretty disgusting. You don’t “accidentally” r@pe or assault someone. You’re not a “good guy” who made a mistake, you intentionally assaulted someone.
@@Ram-zc4fi Imo sex ed is kind of unnuanced when it comes to consent and the real world. E.g. some women really don't want men to explicitly ask for consent and like men to 'lead' and 'take charge' (though it's probably a good idea to ask) and that can be confusing for men.
It's also kind of bizarre to accept that adults are incapable of communicating that they don't want to do something sexual in the context of being physically intimate w/ someone and that person trying to escalate things.
At the end of the day the kind of 'knowledge' about consent in sex ed isn't factual, it's a prescription. And prescriptive 'knowledge' is a completely different category of knowledge than facts. And imo it's odd for a school class to be based around giving prescriptions (or strictly defining colloquial terms), outside of maybe a philosophy class. (and even there prescriptions are presented as the ideas of certain people, the university usually isn't explicitly endorsing a specific prescription)
Well it’s part of a defendant’s fundamental right to a trial. The defendant has a right to provide any exculpatory evidence, and even in sentencing the defendant has a right to provide any mitigating evidence or anything else that would possibly help their case. It seems pretty gross in this case and similar ones, true, but to suggest that such statements shouldn’t exist is very dangerous for a fair judicial system.
Yeah the “he was nice to me so he isn’t a bad guy” logic is ridiculous
@@sub-harmonikI don't think it’s so bizarre. Consent is not always verbal, but people’s wants can easily change. It’d be just easier to ask verbally. And you're right, people should be given better education on the workings of what consent is, and how to recognise and confirm it. It’s pretty easy not to rape people, it’s one of the only crimes which have no logical reason other than causing physical harm to another being for one’s own benefit.
The craziest thing to me about their letters is that he was found guilty of drugging these women to r*pe them and they both thank him for being a sobriety influence on them. It's so out of touch, especially for people who allegedly were in the business of helping victims.
"He sure convinced us not to drink anything around him"
I couldn't agree more...
It just shows us how little they understand Masterson...
He was found guilty for rape. He didn’t drug the women, as they claimed despite toxicology reports saying otherwise.
Dude committed rape, you don’t have to embellish it with falsehoods, it’s still terrible
@@blakew5672 What were the drugs then?
The phrase "Shut up Meg" never felt more fitting
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It's also scary how Ashton said in his letter that he would trust the rapist to babysit his kids...
Edit: I also just remembered how both Ashton and Mila were reinforcing the fact that dude was "anti-drugs", when part of the accusation is that he'd drug his victims to take advantage of them
Did you know there is literally zero proof that happened? There was no urine sample, no blood test, nothing. The prosecution literally had nothing to corroborate that claim. Just the words of those two women. That's called hear-say. And they waited 15 years...Come on, that's fishy af. I wouldn't be one bit surprised if he was framed.
Well remembering how Ashton left his girlfriend to naked and stabbed to death on the floor of her apartment back in 2001, this tracks for Ashton Kutcher's bad decisions (I'm referring to the Hollywood Ripper case).
I'm happy Demi Moore managed to escape this bozo's clutches.
Yeah, the fact that Ashton says he trusts Danny alone with his kids is extremely terrifying and concerning. I’m not sure how that statement alone doesn’t have Child Protective Services knocking on his door.
I was asked to do a character letter once and at first said yes because I didn’t think they could have done what they were accused of. Once I found out more about the case, I never did it. I couldn’t. It was just disgusting and I didn’t want to be the reason for a lighter sentence than the person deserved.
About 15 years ago my mother had a knock on the door from one of my school friends mother, she asked my mother if she would be willing to give a character reference for her two eldest sons (who were in their late 20s at the time). My mother agreed and wrote out the statement shining a positive light on the them before asking what the crime was (she thought it was brawling or some kind of driving offence). After doing some digging she found out that they had recently been convicted of multiple sexual offences including multiple rapes of underage girls, forced abortion, gang rape, threats to kill, forcing their victims to take heroin, child trafficking, facilitating child prostitution... My mother instantly withdrew her statement and was really shaken up by the whole thing. The men and their 4 accomplices all received life sentences and my old school friends mother still holds it against my family until this day, instead of being angry with her child rapist sons she is angry with my family for refusing to speak highly of her wicked sons.
@@dirtyharold7164 jesus fking christ those list of crimes are insane, sry your mother had to deal with their psycho mum
@@dirtyharold7164what is, things that haven't happened except in my mind, for 300 Alex. Get that fake-ass story out of here
@@dirtyharold7164woah, crazy story bro God damn
@@dirtyharold7164 Who knows what the rest of that family is up to if they find that sort of thing normal.
Drew Gooden made a skit a while back where a character walks in on his friend strangling a person to death and refuses to believe his friend could strangle someone because hes never been strangled by him. I feel like it applies here a bit.
It’s literally that skit in real life
That's called being human. We're horribly flawed, self-contradicting beings who too often choose to believe what we want, rather than what actually is.
I would have never let you do that to me, I definitely would of fought back! That one?
@SyakirinTheStickManno
@SyakirinTheStickManthere's no fate worse than ending up like you.
Important context:
The letters were written in late July of 2023, and the guilty verdict was given in May. They absolutely had heard the testimony and evidence from the trial at that point, in fact there had been a previous mistrial in november 2022.
Kutcher has done some incredible work advocating for sex-traffic victims, it's incredibly saddening to see him act this way in regard to victims of sexual assault. It should not matter that he had a personal connection to the assailant, in fact that should be more reason to not involve himself at all.
Look into the statistics of his organization. They overinflate the number of people they’ve helped by thousands. Sure, they do some good work but they’re also super shady about how they report stuff.
exactly, I can’t believe they out of all people wrote those letters after all the work they’ve done
Kutcher hasnt kept it up though. Its his "get out of jail free" card now.
@@FenrisZAmarok 1000000%
@@FenrisZAmarok he writes it off on his taxes and uses it to virtue signal. Ive been paying attention to his org for years, its a sham.
I was called on to testify at my college on behalf of my roommate who was a rapist, literally to tell them i didn't SEE him doing any shady shit with women. Which I hadn't. But all I said was "Yeah, I didn't see anything, I don't know what happened when I was out of the room, but no I didn't personally see anything weird," and I still felt dirty for YEARS after that. The idea of going in and being like "Yeah this dude was the best roommate ever he'd never rape anyone he has a smile on his lips and a song in his heart and gives presents to all the good little boys and girls and helps little old ladies cross the street" is fucking insane
A word of advice for Ashton and Mila: No apology is better than an insincere apology. Nobody believed your letters and nobody believed your sorry.
Until they apologize for their creepy pledge of service to Obama, I can't hear a word they say.
Did you mean worse?
@Tommy_Parkykeep dreaming kid
@@clefairy7736 He is saying that it's better not to apoligize then to apologize without being sorry.
Fax
The best kind of love and support you can give to a friend who did such a horrible thing is to call out that their actions were deplorable and WRONG.
Yea but why if they think he’s innocent. Y’all act like women don’t lie? Have we forgotten Amber heard not too long ago? 🧐 or the countless guys that get ruined lives for a sexual assault case
That’s implying at least three things:
1. They know he’s guilty and completely agree with the verdict
2. That a gRapist cannot be rehabilitated
3. That they didn’t confront him at any point for his actions
It's not about the rape, it's about their experience with the guy. He was already found guilty, it has nothing to do with the case at hand.
@@sharpaycutie2 amber did not lie, men are more likely to be raped themselves than falsely accused, and amber heard aside, it’s been proven he’s guilty
If I found out my friend was a rapist I would send a letter telling the judge to lock them up
fun fact, danny bet ashton $10 to french kiss (with tongue) mila on the show as their first kiss. ashton was 20 , danny was 22 and mila was 14. he took the bet. the writers had her kiss every male actor on the show while she was underage. this was all admitted on a rosie o'donnel interview and another interview. that cast and crew was full of vile behavior and individuals. also, topher grace was the only one that cut all ties with everyone after the show saying they were all toxic and refused to write a letter for danny.
that’s so fucked up jesus..
welcome to hollywood
I thought she lied about her age, bc they only wanted people 18 or older
And she married Ashton, so I guess it worked.
I wonder how Wilmer V feels about this situation as well, and his ties with the cleanliness of NCIS actors and characters.
As someone who was good friends with and defended someone accused of SA before finding out that they actually DID commit the crimes they were accused of, this is NOT how you apologize or take ownership of that shit.
If they're not out the gate with "We fucked up, we wrote those letters before we knew all the facts and we fully, whole-heartedly rescind everything we said in them," then they knew Danny was guilty the whole time and knowingly support a monster.
They wrote the letter AFTER they knew all the facts, i.e. after he was found guilty by the jury.
@@lenusniq_9746 Just because he was convicted doesn't prove he's guilty. He wouldn't be the first innocent man in jail. That trial was fishy af. Now I'm not saying he didn't do it - I don't know - but I do know that trial was all wrong.
but if the basketball community can get away with it all the time, and the police refuses to even take the evidence, then why should this guy get 30 years ?
Almost the entire That 70's Show cast got involved in Scientology. It seems that part of the reason he wasn't even arrested for so many years was because the church tried as much as they could to cover it up
"almost the entire cast" feels like a big stretch: these two by proxy, Masterson and Laura Prepon (Donna). Never heard a single thing about anybody else's involvement.
@@probablyilliterateDonna too?! Damn
@@toddpacker4683yeah but she ended up leaving.
@@probablyilliteratethey did get involved though, OP is right. There's photos of 5 of the 6 main cast members taking part in Scientology fundraisers.
@@Undivided-Xwhich of the 6 wasn’t involved in Scientology? Topher or Wilmer?
Somebody needs to tell Charlie we need an updated "worst apology video tier list"
Number 1, Make it so….
2023 has been nonstop apology cringe, let's wait until the year ends just in case there are a few more bangers
@@AlwaysM0ndayybangers lmfao
I'm sawry, SAY IT RIGHT! I'm sorry! Lol
You know he did something really deplorable when you’re a CELEBRITY member of Scientology and you get 30 years for something. There’s “money” and then there’s “we can go toe to toe with the IRS and win money”
Is the accusations from Luke 20 years ago?
@@vincentwilkes1955thats what's crazier. It happened long ago but he's basically getting a life sentence...thats when you know it's bad
@@vincentwilkes1955the victims originally reported it 20 years ago but the church of scientology did everything they could to suppress the victims stories and hide the evidence, thats why it took so long
Isnt there like a scientology documentary about how they pretty much set people up and ruin their lives if they do something or dont do something they agree with? Lol
@@parakeetinmyhat yeah but 20 years with no evidence is what I find crazy, like what does he know that they need him in prison for 30 years? I believe all grapers should be beheaded immediately but cases like this seem very shady given time frame and lack of evidence
5:05 for the buuuuuuuut clip
She was defending him as a "big brother figure"?
I would disown and disavow my own _blood relatives_ for this kind of crime, never mind pseudo-sibling.
pssst she was 14 yo when she started on That's 70s Show, do what you can with that info
@@loonzoldickwell they said they’d “disown and disavow” their own siblings. That’s bigger than knowing someone since 14 for most people
@@Nutterbutter123that wasn't his point. Apparently she was groomed a lot and was made to kiss a bunch of the cast at 14 when they were mostly over 20
She was defending him before she was convinced he actually did the crime. Ya know the whole innocent until proven guilty thing…
@@damanOtsthis letter was written for sentencing.... so they knew he was found guilty by a jury.
Gotta love how they don’t specifically say they feel bad for the victims of Danny Masterson, they say “their hearts go out to all the people who have been victims of sexual assault”. I fully believe they don’t think Danny Masterson did it.
Tbh if they sincerely don't believe he did it that's fair enough, so long as they aren't attacking or shaming the victims
I get it, though. It's kind of hard to accept the fact that one of your best friends is capable of such evil and violent acts.
Realistically, they don't have to believe it. They should be more empathetic, even just to save their career but no one can force them to believe it, we can just hope they see evidence at the trial
And they knew the victims too, for me that adds another layer of gross
Okay so as you say its better to apologize to a few people than to all who have been in the same situation okay got it
It’s so sad that Ashton literally made a personality out of helping kids out of sex trafficking and then turns around and takes up for a rapist like this isn’t the exact type of people he helps get put behind bars.
Edit: idk why people are still commenting on this like there wasn’t any evidence he 100% did the crime and sent ppl after this family to harass them for speaking out against him being a rapist if you’re in my comments defending and if this behavior you are literally just a garbage human being there is no denying that he’s a rapist.
Huge Rumors out there that Ashton and Danny used to do crazy shit as youngins on the 70s show. They’re the embodiment of evil in the industry.
This was my first thought when I heard of this. Like just because he was friends with the convicted suspect he goes out of his way to defend his character after giving a public speech 6 years ago about how their “day job is stopping spread of sex trafficking” super hypocritical
hypocrisy at its finest
Makes me wonder who else got off easy because Ashton likes them.....
Right? What's w/ him? He took up for Ellen too, saying "she was nothing but nice & professional to me" ... like, no one was worried that the powerful, wealthy guests where being exploited. It was more about low-level staffers, abused by management & forced to take down thier go fund me accts for heath issues, b/c it "made Ellen look bad" that the health coverage at the Ellen show was not sufficient to cover the employee's needs, .... it is bad..... now, this is just like the Ellen thing.... he basically said 'Danny's a good guy because he never SA'd me'.... someone needs to teach Aston to understand object permanence. just b/c u leave the room Aston, it does not mean people stop existing. They can do continue w/ thier life, even if ur not there to see...
5:09 Here's the meme guys
HE SAID THE THING!!
Ty
I love how they went out of their way to NOT wear makeup, just so it REALLY sells their sadness.
So true! "Lets not look pretentious, we must seem humble and down to earth, just everyday people trying to help a rapist"
idk maybe they just didn't wanna do makeup for it? their jobs include them wearing shit tonnes of makeup constantly so it might be a preference?
not to defend them, I just think as a serious criticism of the video this is pretty weak. when there's so much else to pick out and/or make fun of...
@@blue-vr8ddI agree, plus Mila rarely ever wears makeup outside of a set or event.
No I don’t think this is it. You wouldn’t want to look like a drag queen defending a rapist
Fr they look like they rolled outta bed
Hey Charlie, don’t know if you will see this but there is a dire situation happening to many channels right now including me, revolving around the recent news of edp. Recently many of us in the commentary scene covered the situation with edp and Jidion that you recently covered, however we have been getting hit with community guideline strikes for it. All being under the harassment category for showing the confrontation clip of Jidion and edp. This has resulted in dozens of large creators getting false strikes and we really need some bigger coverage on how RUclips is defending edp and predators.
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The fact that this actor has an organization which is supposed to help victims in these kind of cases…
Kinda sus
Predictors sharing experience club, nuts
Very good method for tax evasion...
The organization needs to be looked into. Just to make sure nothing nefarious is going on there.
@skyewolf994you’re only showing your true colors, sus.
A really good (former) friend of mine in high school sexually harassed the girls in our friend group (d**kpics and whatnot), but for some reason it took a while for them to say anything. I just overheard them speaking about it, and when I found out, I encouraged everyone to take action.
We found out that he had done it before in his previous school, and I just couldn’t believe how we got along so well before. It outright disgusted me even more than before. Because most of us were minors, including him, we couldn’t do anything more than report him to the school authorities.
We presented what we had, and we even contacted the girl he had harassed years ago to testify. His parents just put the very shitty excuse that he was “on meds”, and we all knew it wasn’t true. But it was our word (minors) vs theirs, so the school did absolutely fucking nothing about it.
We then passed to the next grade (including him), to different groups. He even made new friends like nothing was wrong.
6 years later I’m still holding a huge grudge against him. I still feel really frustrated that nothing was done about it. We all just could stand there, in frustration that nothing was ever done. There was nothing else we could do. I fucking hate it.
Justice leaks away over time. Dont blame myself, and try to not give horrible people room to live in your mind.
@@Ne-vc5pm Thank you
Oh well, at least you tried. That's all that matters in my books.
Who knows karma might get him one day
What do you mean you could not do anything else besides report it to school lmfaoo.. i didnt know you need to be 18+ to call the cops. U tweaking
the universe is telling you that we need an apology video tier list sequel, charlie.
I think he did this. Srsly.
@Tommy_Parky 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
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@OfficerBMTcome on... I'll let you hold my cactus plant !
@Tommy_Parky Like, I'll never understand these bot accounts. Who falls for this? What brainless moron wastes their time creating these bots? What's the goal and is there any actual results that show that creating these bots are worth the time and effort? Who looks at "Tommy_Parky's" channel and says "durr hurr omg bruh this bot channel has fire content! So much better that *insert youtube channel here*! Subscribed and deepthroated!"? The fuck is the point?
It’s absolutely wild to me the denial that people will lock themselves into because they don’t want to admit their friend did something wrong
I’m commenting to hopefully boost this comment. This perfectly sums up their shitty behaviour.
They just don’t want their friend to be punished or taken away from them
@@brockfuller2074here’s a controversial take but maybe their friend *shouldn’t have drugged and raped multiple women*
@@brockfuller2074I believe to be actually something along the line of thought that "if they are friends with a bad person it would mean that they are also bad people"
That's not what happened though. Character references are needed for trials to be fair because juries have a habit of assuming the defendant is guilty before being presented any evidence when it's supposed to be the opposite. Ashton Kutcher and Mila Kunis could only go off of what they personally experienced.
Not so fun fact, over 40 celebrities including Wes Anderson, Harrison Ford, Natalie Portman, and more signed a letter calling for the release of Roman Polanski after he was arrested in Zurich. Remember he’s still free today and just released a movie to a 3 minute standing ovation.
Yes never forget that he violently sodomized a 13 year old and yet much of Hollywood doesn't seem to care.
Is the warrant still active?
@@lisaperry5999yes he's still a fugitive
At least he cannot step on US soil. Polanski is also the reason why Adele Haenel quit acting at the height of her career. She was fed up with predators who dominate European cinema as well.
Well to be honest a 3 three minute standing ovation in cannes is actually pretty poor. His new movie is shit.
5:11 the moment you were looking for
This is so gross. She seems so pissed that she even has to make an "apology'
You can tell Ashton coochshit is a good actor by this apology. But the women, she sounds so fucking robotic in this like I can’t believe they posted this nothing she said was genuine it sounds so forced. Hollywood and famous people love rape!!!
Like ducking seriously just watch the video again. Every single thing she said was off a script and she couldn’t do a worse job of pretending to care. It’s just disgusting
And he looks mad like he just rolled out of bed.
she doesn't have to make an apology. she voices a main character on family guy so she'll be fine don't worry
Nah that's good old shame man. If you were in that position you'd be feeling the same way
It can’t be worse than the toxic gossip train
@Tommy_Parky
Nuh uh
it is.
@OfficerBMT
What 💀
@@DrownedInDysphoriaThey must be sentient or actual people but probably the latter
Chugging down the tracks to defacation station.
We need another updated horrible apology video tier list. The contestants are lining up and smelling more stinky than ever.
I need an update on ya mama twerking video
Agreed, They have been piling up too!
Nothing has touched the ukelele or interpretive dance apology yet
Remember when we all thought Logan Paul had the worst apology? What's next, a full on stage production?
I'M BETTER THAN CHARLIE
How to respond correctly:
No.
Thank you for coming to my ted talk.
You _know_ Charlie's upset when he can't stay monotone, and is animated throughout the ENTIRE video.
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love how Mila's first words were letting everyone know how they have "historically" supported victims lmao
And how they just "generalized" victims. The apology should have been directly to DANNY'S victims - those were the victims traumatized by their disgusting letters.
its because of ashton along with his ex demi moore started up the organization called thorn for human trafficking. absolutely disgusting
“We have “historically” been “researching” (AKA WATCHING) CP to protect victims” -the woman married to a man who met her at 14, yeah not sketchy at all. 😊
Yeah, actions speak louder than words, or in that case, writing.
I don’t care how much good you’ve done, if you fuck up this monumentally and support the very thing you swore to destroy (it’s still rape, doesn’t matter if the victims weren’t kids) then you are gonna be held accountable. That’s the way it works, and these rich scum think they’re above everyone else and should get away with shit that poor people can’t. I hope more and more people start realizing how shitty most of the 1% are and stop idolizing them. Everyone is capable of evil regardless of class, but the rich public figures are capable of so much worse due to their perceived power and influence.
They need a reality check. Every motherfuckin one of them.
They had to make sure they looked like they just got out of bed, like they urgently rushed to apologize 😂😂😂
"Honey, let's hurry to the most basic looking wall in our multi-million dollar mansion. People are upset at us so I guess we gotta do an apology video :/ "
@@duck-ew5zslmao if you look into their house tour, that wall actually overlooks a huge pool on a super luxury terrace
@@duck-ew5zsthe best part is someone found their home tour posted on a website and it’s a barn fence in their pool area or their million dollar house. You called it!
If they got themselves looking pretty people would have complained it's all smoke and mirrors.
I remember James Charles did that once. He looked disheveled and sooo sleepy😂😂😂😂😂
seeing charlie’s smile sparked a gleam in my eye and a slight palpitation of the heart. my grandmother was watching as well and now she can walk again. my goodness, may charlie inspire millions once more
Internet Jesus works miracles in mysterious ways.
What I found weird is how Mila can't even look at the camera and cannot stop blinking while saying her heart goes out to the victims.
straight out of an L.A. Noire interrogation
X to doubt
i hope it's because of the disgust that she feels towards herself
You guys are delusional 🤣
it looks & sounds as if she's reading a script.
these people are trash.
I'm SO glad that you covered this. It's such a strange and disturbing line of thought. Imagine fifty people submitting letters at Ted Bundy's trial asking for leniency because he worked at a rape crisis clinic.
I have to say, their "compassion" for victims rings pretty hollow now. Making a martyr of Danny Masterson is in no way helpful to them.
I feel so sorry for the actual victims of this case. They were betrayed by EVERYONE, before and after the fact. I'm glad to know that their justice has been received at last.
I hate to be this person, but he actually volunteered for a suicide hotline call center, not rape crisis. But yes, your point still stands, and I agree with you. This is really fucked up.
And these 2 knew the victims. Empty apology
@MelissaLawrence2002 Oh, my bad. I've heard both. Apparently he also wrote a "rape prevention" pamphlet and helped draft the new hitchhiker laws in Washington. I just can't imagine fifty people campaigning for leniency in his favor.
It's interesting, too. Bundy framed himself as very anti-rape, and Masterson framed himself as being very anti-drug use.
@@pollyc.1957 you're totally fine, don't sweat it, my friend. I agree, that it's an absolutely absurd situation, and your comparison really puts it into perspective for those who may side with Masterson.
You clearly didn't watch the ted bundy trial, the judge actually praised bundy! Said all sort of nice things about him, even said that he wished they would've worked together in the courtroom. It's the craziest thing I ever seen!
This is why a jury exists; the clouded judgements of loved ones cannot or shouldn't be allowed to sway justice. They may have had a good relationship with him- but defending him even years after working together for crimes they have no witness in- their opinion of him does not matter compared to the crime. Someone can be a seemingly great person to 80% of others while the targeted few are harmed through SA or Murder. It feels like how people talked about Ted Bundy (in a way) how they respected him even with his unsettling actions. How Brock Turner's parents wrote letters defending him because 'he has potential' and tbh, a family member of mine was arrested a while back for being an S.O. and their parent wrote a boohoo letter. It's all denial, and I can understand there's levels of shock and disbelief to it...but like, clouded opinions can easily sweep away the victims' experiences. Not cool.
I assume Danny is guilty as sin, but I don't fault his family and friends for supporting him if they have doubts. A certain percentage of American prisoners were wrongly convicted, correct? I haven't followed any scientific studies on the matter, but statistically the number *must* be above 0%. So it's simply not true that because a jury has convicted someone beyond a reasonable doubt that there's no chance they've been wrongly convicted. There must be families and friends attached to these people that have advocated for them, yes? Let's say hypothetically you were convicted in a criminal court, beyond a reasonable doubt, for rapes you didn't commit, you would hope your loved ones immediately turned their backs on you as soon as the judge's gavel slammed down?
What was the evidence I can’t find it
@@taylortaylor6845I also can't find it, it seems like just the victims accounts? Kinda strange he got 30 years with that little proof, but if he's guilty he deserves it
jury is very flawed because they’re human.. jury can be swayed by the courts, and out of the courts ( floyd being a good example.. chauvin was convicted because the jury was terrified of the public.. who were harrassing sending threats, etc.. same with the Murdoch trail.. which more evidence reveal the court reporter was manipulating the jury, a lot of corruption.. in order to get a 100% gulty verdict..
There there I s the trial of the black guy that killed over 50+ seniors in a senior home.. one lady was an activist ( the prosecution deliberately wanted her on the jury).. and refused to go guilty even tho all the evidence was there.. because - he’s black.. she won’t convict a black guy.. her stubbornness and holding the jury hostage got him not guilty - and those fmaily members 0 justice..
Jury is severely flawed.. which is why jury selection is so crucial in winning for either they defense of prosecution.. it very rare you get a 1000% impartial jury.. very very rare.. especially high profile cases.
As someone that knows people in the justice system.. it’s all a game.. thats the problem.. the justice system is highly flawed.. but its the best one you have in the world because you ‘ judged by your peers’ and everyone is presumed innocent until PROven guilty. Sadly that is kinda changing these days wher you’re guilty and need to prove innocence . Everything is calculated.. having media there.. they know can sway opinions, public knows threatening the jury case sway verdicts.. ( aka.. antifa threatening the jury including the lawyer saying she will hunt the jury down if they don’t give a not guilty verdict.. its f up)
This is why, trials and good judges tend NOT to allow layers play the emotion card ( made very famous by johnny Cochran).. and stick to the facts. Evidence is key.. which is also why you want an impartial jury who has 0 interest or knowledge in a case. The problem now, especially in she said he said is there is basically no evidence. So it’s story telling.. can you convince the jury ?
Yes there is denial.. but there is also a point where you don’t have enough to convince someone..
If you told me that dog stole the cookie.. ok.. give me evidence.. you show me a broken jar.. doesn’t prove the dog did it.. it could have been the cat.. so you need more and more evidence.. so yes, in cases were all the evidence is there everything.. even the killer smiling and selfies.. thats denial..
But when there is plausible innocence.. it’s not really denial.. it’s you haven’t proven beyond reasonable doubt they did it.. which is why she said he said verdicts are some of the worst.. and usually wrong verdict.. its who can tell a better story.
I don’ t know anything about this case.. but from what I read in teh comments, this is a very he said she said case.. with barely any evidence.
So there is even 1% he’s innocent.. thats not beyond reasonable doubt.
So i don’t agree that family and friends defending someone they believe in are fools.. or idiots..
If hes guilty, he’s very good a manipulating, his friends and family are weak but good people..
My friend was accused of r…because some guys were jealous of him.. so they wanted to get back at him.. i nkow him… he wans’t even there.. he doesn’t even live in that area or country.. of course i believed him.. and turns out yes.. he was being metoo’d by a bunch of guys jealous of him.. all the evidence was he never even been to that location, doesn’t live there.. doesn’t kow anyone there.. no proof..
But if this happened now.. people would say he’s guilty.. and we need 0 evidence.. that is me too.
@gasstationpeanuts1814 true, but it still can be a bit dicey when you have to question how many are blindly defending them vs how many are honest. If they were witnesses and around during the time of the crime, their words could feel very defensive and ignorant. Granted this is only one view of a large case and I wish there was more focus on the evidence instead of testimonials but it comes together.
Plenty of innocent people are charged even with positive and honest testimonials. The system of court dates, appealing, bond payments, and extremely long waits are one of the main issues in the justice system often based on privatized prison gain and such.
The jury is the important key to an at least logical approach to a presented crime. Putting compliments in front of DNA samples is what I've seen and worried about.
Too many 🍇ers and SO are left off the hook and this isn't one of them so seeing two figure heads seemingly defend the criminal in a very nonchalant and happy way is what's upsetting. They could've been 'when we interacted with him he seemed good. We would've never expected this of him sort of talk.
I do think a lot of celebrity court trials have too much press to a degree and it's possible they thought it'd be private testimonials but nothing can be private for them anymore. Which does suck for them.
Shout out to Topher Grace for not Hanging out with these Weirdos and Not Supporting a rapist
He likes being good. It makes him happy.
Love these horrific “apologies”
Cheese ㅤ
My ass itches
Damn 75% bots confirmed. Possibly even cheese is a bot so maybe 100%.
Especially the whole "Colleen apology" video
@Tommy_Parkyimagine being subbed to a QAnon channel, no wonder Americans are the laughingstock of the world
i read the whole thing and my jaw was just dropped 😭, they basically said “yea he’s raped people but he was nice to me”. like this is an exact quote : “while I'm aware that the judgement has been cast as guilty on two counts of rape by force and the victims have a great desire for justice. I hope that my testament to his character is taken into consideration in sentencing.” like nobody cares about how nice you thought he was he still did what he did and deserves to serve the full time
Ikr! He literally acknowledged the victims wanted justice lmao
its part of the legal process to do this...
@@FrenkieWest32 they could have said no, they weren't forced to defend a rpaist?
@@braden4797 they could have yes. Not many people do this regarding their closest though.
@@FrenkieWest32 personally, as Charlie said, if my lifelong friend is convicted of rape, there is no way in hell I am defending them. Unless I have substantial evidential proof that they are innocent.
I’m curious what Charlie’s opinion on the Topher Grace controversy is. It’s interesting that, during the filming of That 70’s Show, the cast blacklisted and shunned Topher for not wanting to hangout with them or befriend them and tried to drag his name for years. Now, all of those same actors are being dragged for supporting Masterson while Topher is just chilling lol.
this!!!
Bizarre, I had no idea. On the show, it looked like all of the actors really loved each other and had great chemistry.
@julia3354 that's why it's called acting
Odd.
@@julia3354Yeah, that’s called acting, Dr. Brain. Shocking.
You are looking for 5:10
thank you
His actions didn’t affect them directly, that’s why he’s a good guy to all of them.
Then what they have to say about this case shouldn’t have anything to do with how he’s sentenced
That's what a character letter literally is. Describing the person THEY knew. Good job explaining it word for word genius.
@@NYC_Goody and im saying it’s STUPID FOR EVEN EXISTING, genius
😢 guys, did you hear about what happened to DanTDM?
guess what? I'm laughing so hard right now!
@@furryprideworldwide816Imagine losing someone and some person laughs about it.
That older brother figure part is crazy , like she knew what he was being accused of prior to writing that out so it just makes it even weirder .
He wasn’t even accused, the letters were after he was CONVICTED, the letters were there so he could get a lighter sentence after he was shown to be guilty
While it was important for them to apologize for supporting a deplorable person, it is common for judges to request letters from people before sentencing. This is done so judges can evaluate someone via a list of factors to determine punishment/time. Source: I was an intern for a federal judge -I’ve seen them read comments from letters when discussing sentencing, and I’m a 3L.
legal procedure shouldn’t cloud the morals of those involved. just because people had the option to support a rapist doesn’t mean they should have supported them
Also are we forgetting "innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt"? When they were asked for character letters he was still "innocent" in the eyes of the law because his crimes had not been proven in a court of law yet. So writing a character statement for your friend who is being accused of being a rapist before ANY of the evidence has come to light doesn't seem nearly as scummy as Charlie is making it out to be. If they had stuck with those charcter statements after the trial however...
100%
@@jay_344 I mean innocent until proven guilty sooo
Anybody with google can find what you just wrote 🤣 at the end of the day, it’s close people willing to vouch for the accused. I’m sure you understand with case law, things are highly scrutinized usually public information. These celebs knew their names would be attached to this, this is literally nothing new
I admire your character, thanks for being you! Wish there were more guys with your mindset to be honest.
I feel like there's an easy way to apologize for this. Just say that he used to be a close friend, and that deeply clouded your judgment and made you not want to believe that he did the things he's been convicted of. People won't forgive you for that, but it'll be honest and a lot of people will at least be more understanding.
Or go the celebrity apology route and try to make excuses for yourself.
This. Just say "Our judgement was clouded. Between his family asking for our help, and us wanting to help the friend we thought he was, we did something heinous. We're sorry." There. It's not good, but it's way, way more understandable.
...I'm pretty sure that would be admitting to perjury lol
Edit: It wouldn’t be perjury because these letters were not under oath.
Thing is that wouldn't have been honest. If they were honest they'd have to admit they didn't care enough about the victims to want their friend behind bars.
I know, the whole “that wasn’t our intention” or “we didn’t mean to” is such a cop out. Might as well not say anything about it if your not going to own up to what u did and take accountability.
@@Zack-vi7is A letter isn't going to stop him from going behind bars, and obviously didn't. He still got a very serious penalty, and they probably knew that was still going to happen. People act like they were trying to help him completely escape consequences.
That letter reads like a letter of recommendation for a job. Absolutely bizarre that these things happen. Hollywood is another world.
I bet if millions of people analyze your actions they'd call you weird too
@@orbitalrain1485 okay let’s follow that logic train. Do you do stuff this weird and fucked up?
@@nathanhargenrader645 yeah every day
When are people going to learn that just because someone does good things and is a good friend to you does not mean they are incapable of doing bad things to others?
People aren’t gonna “learn” that. It’s just human nature to have massive biases towards people we know.
No friendship or amount of brotherhood excuses or forgives a terrible victimizing act like rape. As a friend the most you can do is acknowledge their wrongdoing and pray for them. Even reaching out to the victims and apologizing to them and giving them your support, if they knew him so well they could do right trying to rectify and help those who Danny victimized.
Brother, you're naive as fuck if you think all those celebrities wrote those letters because they genuinely thought the guy is a good guy. They did that cause everyone in Hollywood has their backs and are coordinated. It's solidarity for evil. They didn't write those letters on their own initiative, they were told to in order to protect that guy.
Ashton will never learn that. This situation reminds me of when he publicly defended Ellen Degeneres after a bunch of her employees went public about how badly she treated them.
“Hey guys! Just to clear it up, we weren’t trying to defend this guy, we were just trying to get him a lighter sentence. Really if you look past the terrible things he’s done, he’s a decent fella. Anyways, hopefully us supporting this man doesn’t have a negative affect on the victims, but I’m sure they wouldn’t mind him getting less jail time anyways❤”
The letters remind me of during the Brock turner case how it was always mentioned he was a good athlete. Like that had nothing to do with his crime, it was just said to make people sympathize with him. In these cases too many times people somehow end up being more sympathetic to the perpetrators than to the victims. It’s awful
That's a super common tactic, especially in college athlete trials. Often judges understand how important it is to make the plaintiff seem as innocent as possible because it'd then reflect badly on the college. It's a fucking disgusting bit of trivia in any case that "he's good at X so he MUST be a good person" many people attacked the victims of Cosby because he was such a loved member of society and represented so much good, people couldn't comprehend he was a monster like that.
But muscles maybe
You mean the Rapist formerly known as Brock Turner?
He didn't get 30 to life though which everyone is still pretty upset about
I mean, he did get a light sentence...just saying, maybe it does work.
This really hurts their credibility when it comes to fighting against the things they do, if they really cared about what they are fighting for why did they so quickly support someone who was proven guilty.
The best way for me to explain would be that the people they fight against outside this case are strangers, thus it's easier to persecute people they don't know rather than someone they are close with (in this case, Danny). Shouldn't be like that though, yeah
If they actually believe he is innocent after hearing the evidence then it's not morally wrong for them to advocate on his behalf. He seems very guilty from what evidence I've seen, but I don't think a guilty verdict in an American criminal court is a magical 100% unassailable, unquestionable edict handed down from the heavens.
You never had a friend?
Let's not forget Ashton personally knew two of the victims.
@@mixtapeweezy6871 Dude! My sister is THE most important person in the world to me and the idea she could do something like this is ludicrous obviously but if hypothetically in the scenario she was guilty - I would NEVER help her get a lesser sentence! I could still love her, visit and help her in jail get help mentally etc but I would NEVER excuse the crime, particularly not just because I loved the person. That would be a knife in the gut to the victim and support the notion that this type of crime isn’t that bad. I could never be a party to that.
Mila actually sounds angry that she even has to do this video.
She can’t help it. She’s Meg.
Not for long I hope.
Concidering Ashton has helped save over 6000 sex trafficking victims a third of which were children I'll give him the benafites of the doubt this was just him helping his freind before the judge ruled he was guilty
You're right, I experienced this when a friend was arrested for CP...
Even if they're your best friend, normal people would feel disgusted & BETRAYED, not a need to help them get a lesser sentence!
I was upset that I never suspected anything. I was embarrassed that he was calling me & friends from jail wanting to "just talk." I felt sorry for his family. And most of all, I was upset for the victims, especially as I learned more details...
Even as a great friend to me, I would NEVER write a letter on his behalf. It's a terrible situation, but he deserved to face justice.
A friend of mine had this happen when she found out through the court that her home girl was involved in a homicide against her ex-BF. I'll skip some details, but she initially showed up in defense as her friend tried to manipulate her into thinking that she did it in self defense.
As the court process went on, more and more details were revealed, such as text messages, bullet trajectory etc. My friend started to wonder how long has her friend been manipulating their friendship; feelings of disgust and betrayal sink in and it was pretty ugly.
Hi! I went through the exact same experience. The guy was a close, close friend for many years - over 20 years. I think he didn’t get enough time! He should never walk free again as far as I’m concerned.
Thanks for your comment. It actually helps me feel less alone.
What is CP?
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This sounds like a version of "Well he might have stabbed someone 40 times, but he always said hello to me when we crossed in the stairs, so he isn't all bad". We are not sentencing him based on whether or not he was a good person, we are sentencing him based on whether or not he did bad things.
In the end all the letters were irrelevant as they had nothing to do with rape, they were basically pleading for him to get off with a couple years in prison
@@whyisyes3957 mission obviously failed then.
So refreshing to watch a youtuber who's not scared of words.
Honestly we need a chill and rational mind like Charlie’s in this world 😂
Charlie has a brutal command of the language. If he had and English accent it would be even more amazing. I have always admired Charlie and his wit and delivery. Dude is genius level.
Tru dat
this comment went over everyone's head. they're talking about the mention of scientology not sucking charlie off for how chill and witty he is.
That's debatable when it comes to gender identity
5:10 - 5:25 is the funniest shit ever 💀
One of the lesser known people in this case is the wife of Cedric Bixler of At The Drive-In and The Mars Volta. Chrissie was one of Danny's victims. Cedric shut down all of his social media accounts at one point because the "church" killed his dogs, and were trying to keep them silent. It is an entire rabbit hole you should investigate Charlie. Worth the time and would make an incredible video.
been watching him post about this scumbag for years glad they got their justice and peace finally
There's no way Charlie will consider exposing the "church", he's a little bit too scared of them. (rightfully so, they're fucking scary)
Commenting to bump this. Had no idea of Cedric & Chrissie's struggle. Just awful, fuck hollywood and the cult
Just commented on this myself. I know someone who was their neighbor, and I've known about this BS before Danny was finally indicted.
I'm sorry, but what exactly is the "church"?
Omg she's not even wearing makeup, so sincere 😢
not defending her whatsoever, but honestly if she were wearing make-up there would be comments just like this one too
@@Suko5061 What would be the comment then?
@@Suko5061 no there wouldn’t, it’s a cliché, ppl taking their makeup off for apologies
Character letters are a way to help the court decide how likely the person is to be rehabilitated. Someone with a strong support system and an otherwise good and clean history is more likely to be rehabilitated than someone who does not have those things.
I strongly believe rapists cannot be rehabilitated. It takes a certain kind of evil person to do that to another.
@@aimlj94 You'd think that, but it happens all the time. It's no stretch of the imagination to believe that there are rapists who have been released from prison who go on to never rape again.
@@aimlj94
That’s a personal opinion and even one I don’t necessarily disagree with. But we can’t base justice on such arbitrary perceptions.
but this kind of support system is hollywood related, that's the most enabling environment he could ever belong to
@@aimlj94People like you and Charlie need to stop this "evil" shit. Yes, it's fucking terrible, but it's not "evil". It's human nature at its worst. Rape isn't always in a dark alley or sex dungeon with sadistic glee (it still happens obviously: sex trafficking and the like). People who became intoxicated, were too dense or too self-absorbed to see that consent, if there was any, was under duress. Rape is rape. It's incorrigible no matter the circumstances.
People are selfish. People are depraved.
Stop acting all confused. I'm not saying everyone has an inner rapist or some garbage like that. However everyone is CAPABLE of becoming one.
Ive never commented on a YT video but you are very intelligent, and it doesn't feel like im losing brain cells watching your videos. And you are very knowledgeable about everything you speak on.
‘Yeah he was a rapist, but take it easy on him, he was a cool coworker.’
Hilariously, those character witness statements from Kutcher read by Charlie are him describing how someone should be, and act, normally, in general. "He was professional at work and treated everyone nicely." Yeah, that's literally the bare minimum for being a human being.
The bar is far lower than you seem to understand.
that's the whole point of the letters, to show character. They were probably asked to write about their experiences with him. It's insane anyone would fault people for writing a character witness statement for court, especially before he's found guilty.
@@moonasha The letters were written 2 months after the guilty verdict though.
Clearly you’ve never had a job.
@@moonasha but that's my point. how much character does someone have when the entire point of you character statement about them is "they did their job and were decent to people"? as I said, that's literally baseline. if that was the best that someone could write about my character, i probably didn't do anything to warrant any special consideration about the person I am.
also, i never gave Kutcher nor Kunis a problem for doing so. my comment was about what they wrote, so...
Wouldn’t be surprised if they actually were forced to write these by the Scientology crew… considering the involvement they’ve had in this case I think it’s likely they were threatened with social repercussions unless they wrote those letters
Charles White is only Hollywood actor that I respect and look toward as a moral authority.
I will say, the one time I was asked to write a character statement, it was before I knew what the case was, and I fully wished I would've known the facts of the case before this person's lawyer came to me and I can only hope my letter was never seen
Yeah exactly. Charles is super wrong for this take
@@Amused_Comfort_Inche’s actually not. Ashton’s letter said at the very end “Well I’m aware the jury has found him guilty of two counts of rape” meaning this was written after he was proven guilty
@@Amused_Comfort_Inchow??
@@Amused_Comfort_Incno he's not. They had the resources to find out what the trial was about beforehand unlike the everyday person who might not know what the trial is about but proceeded to defend their very likely guilty friend. Not only that but Topher Grace who didn't deny being a friend to Danny still didn't write a letter like they did. And he explained why way back in 2018 as he didn't want to come across as defending the accused's actions. If Topher knew about the proceedings and what he was being accused of then surely Ashton and Mila could have found out. They could have said something similar that while Danny was a good friend to them, they would not try to influence the judge's sentencing decision so as not to be seen as defending his assault on these women.
I mean, one would hope, if those letters are considered public record, they would _always_ be presented with the disclaimer of "this letter was written before the trial and thus may not reflect the writer's current opinions".
Not that the internet cares to make that distinction. Evidently it's inconceivable that someone may have at some point been on good terms with a monster without knowing they were a monster.
Yep. I had a friend of over 20 years that I dropped like a bad habit when they were brought up on charges of touching 3 little girls. With having like stories, no matter what I thought of him, I couldn't ignore that he almost guaranteed did the acts he was accused of. It was sad to do, but I don't want to associate with anyone that would do things like that.
Your friend was 99% likely to have been molested and traumatized as a child. This kind of sentiment you have makes it impossible to seek proper help and understanding, thus leading to them acting out on these disturbed attractions. It's extremely rare to find a naturally formed pedophile. Stop acting like they are vile monsters. Start treating them humanely and advocating for them to have mandatory mental health treatment.
@michaelrising9441 He actually wasn't molested or anything as a child. Either way, everyone has the ability to break the chain. I'm refuse to make excuses for people that do these kinds of things. Your comment makes you sound like a pedo-sympathizer. You might not be, but you took time to excuse away guilt.
@@melkor_of_utumno ???? no.
@@melkor_of_utumno amazingly enough having been abused is not an excuse to abuse others.
@@opalharness1555 Amazingly enough the world is more complicated that the braindead statement you just made.
Charlie I’m proud to say your channel was the first one I visited while flying 35000 ft in the air (I’m a flight attendant) our aircraft just got wifi installed. Also, listening to her apologize sounded robotic like she was in an advertisement
The best thing about actors/actresses apology videos is they can never act empathetic. It's always the same, it's always just reading from a script
Wow I'm kinda sad that airplanes are getting wifi now. It seemed like one of the few remaining places you could go off the air (pun intended)
@@MsBhappy i think they just started getting them now because of 9/11. i might be wrong you should probably fact check me
i for some reason imagined you sky diving while watching
if your looking for it 5:09
how do i thank you
Ironically, them trying to make it clear that they weren’t questioning the jury or the victims makes them look worse, because I’m sure more people would forgive them if they said that they wrote those letters because they believed their friend was being wrongly convicted
I Was thinking the same, though publicly questioning the victims honesty would be an awful look so ig they decided that wasn't an option
clearly they did i don't understand how that's so hard for charlie and his braindead followers to understand lol
When a friend or family member is convicted of a crime, you need to put your emotions and thoughts about them to one side. They are not the person you thought they were.
Unless you have tangible proof of innocence you can’t support their actions just because like them as a person
@@whyisyes3957 I am meaning more towards it's an open and shut case sort of thing.
@@TheHectic0ne You have a point
I have a family member who was charged with a similar crime and I cut ties immediately. I also cut off relationships with anyone that enabled or hid his crimes.
@@Boombaby3000 good for you!
Publicly apologizing only works if you actually mean it. It never works if you just read a pre-prepared apology letter, written by chat-GPT and approved by a lawyer and a PR firm, after clearly doing something heinous. People are smart enough to recognize a genuine apology when they hear one, and that's not what this was. And honestly I don't even know if you can apologize for this. This is so sick and weird. I lost a lot of respect for both of them for this.
Well said!
i’m not gonna lie i agree with this but most apologies are written out so you can get all your thoughts across. and honestly i feel like no one ever thinks any apology is good like no matter what
no they cant apology's never work.... onlyjayus was nearly cancelled for something 4 years before and her apology seemed good but people still hated it.
@@killapositionz2 your acting like their not human and can see how their past decisions were wrong. we grow and evolve and learn lessons. we’re not the same people we were before
@emilygrace No… this isn’t the same. While they may not have known about the situation at the time it was happening back then, the fact these things came up in court, proved as factual, and then just prior to sentencing a letter of character was written to try to soften the blow of the punishment… Ashton and Mila had a very important opportunity to stay as far away from this case as possible, and not only did they choose to get involved, they chose the WORST WAY to get tied to this - by defending a convicted rapist. That is… basically as bad as being the rapist themselves. That was definitely avoidable and they PICKED IT on purpose.
That Mr Hyde analogy was the best accidental pun of all time 😂😂