Why Aren’t Americans Good At CS?

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  • Опубликовано: 8 янв 2025

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  • @launders
    @launders  Год назад +24

    BOXR tees in stock permanently!! store.boxr.gg

    • @sl1ckLEVI
      @sl1ckLEVI Год назад

      Can we get permanent sweat pants? Ill buy the first 5 pairs.

    • @dayne6475
      @dayne6475 Год назад

      lau ur so hot n sexy

    • @ILOSBinc
      @ILOSBinc Год назад

      I need them club shirts back I missed that drop ;(

    • @janbr1767
      @janbr1767 Год назад +1

      Are You gonna do demo reviews again?🤔

    • @ccliviolin
      @ccliviolin Год назад

      waiting for new hoodies

  • @deusnightfire
    @deusnightfire Год назад +174

    I love team complexity a lot. I like how they play and honestly it feels like a close game each time they play against the big leagues. I want to see them do really really well.

    • @Bezmenov93
      @Bezmenov93 Год назад +12

      Hallzerk is super entertaining to watch

    • @Carlos-do2vh
      @Carlos-do2vh Год назад

      they eliminated imperial, I don't like the. cuz of it, but I respect them cuz they play well

    • @Anysmoke
      @Anysmoke Год назад +5

      Same I want to see grim do well too after the whole Liquid thing

    • @Francisco-dl1nb
      @Francisco-dl1nb Год назад +3

      Their game against Imperial on the Rio RMR was incredible and rly made them a team I look forward to watch when they are up against good opponents.

    • @lunchtreyy
      @lunchtreyy Год назад

      Funny because I just hate complexity, wonder why

  • @larry2281
    @larry2281 Год назад +398

    NA scene is in the way it’s at right now because of Covid and ESL. But even prior to that, NA cs had a lot of problems. Players in the scene always cared about egos and reputations over winning. It’s been going around forever and also brought up a lot. You see the same problems in NA Valorant. It’s just the NA mindset.

    • @josh.c36
      @josh.c36 Год назад +44

      Agreed. Unprofessional

    • @flyy1006
      @flyy1006 Год назад

      EU CULTURE NON-AMERICAN CULTURE LULW EU CULTURE NON-AMERICAN CULTURE LULW EU CULTURE NON-AMERICAN CULTURE LULW EU CULTURE NON-AMERICAN CULTURE LULW

    • @trollface9903
      @trollface9903 Год назад +6

      NA had the best teams in the world in 2019, in Liquid and EG. It's inexplicable how covid killed that.

    • @ballertheking1038
      @ballertheking1038 Год назад +68

      @@trollface9903 Lack of NA leagues doesn't help but a lack of homegrown NA talent is the real issue.

    • @larry2281
      @larry2281 Год назад +21

      @@trollface9903 Covid hurt the na scene more than anything else. Took away all tournaments and events in NA and created an eu bubble. Only way for our players to get practice and experience is by being in EU 24/7.
      But I do agree with what you said about liquid and EG in 2019.

  • @launders
    @launders  Год назад +4

    sub for more unnecessarily hateful content 🔥🔥

  • @bradleyfirby648
    @bradleyfirby648 Год назад +46

    Love when lau is talking about oSee not taking impact while in the video it's just him looking all shy and quiet while YEKINDAR is just physically alpha-ing with the arm out and everything lol

  • @its_nhoj
    @its_nhoj Год назад +12

    Shoutout the production for these videos. The editing is amazing as always

  • @iurifrazao454
    @iurifrazao454 Год назад +15

    The way this fast paced "zoomer ADHD" edition did such a good job presenting this type of analitycal content is pretty nuts ngl.

  • @HotBeeFF21
    @HotBeeFF21 Год назад +5

    editor on fire with that Yekindar to Elige spilt. Good vid. Liquid the hope of NA.

  • @danielryan4488
    @danielryan4488 Год назад +81

    Watched Liquid get 2-0d by Rare Atom today, yikes. I think they lost 16-3 on their own map pick (Overpass). NAF is usually Mr. Reliable but had some trouble, Elige just seems like he doesn't frag like he used to, Yekindar the longer he has been on the team the more his stats seem to decline lately, Osee was just nowhere to be found on map 2, and Nitro had the typical "IGL stats". Inferno vs Liquid seems to be just a free win, no matter who they play.

    • @Gwazi
      @Gwazi Год назад +22

      That’s true, but let’s give some credit to Rare Atom. They seem mechanically insane. They are very good mechanical players

    • @vik.1903
      @vik.1903 Год назад

      Nitro is dead weight.

    • @fluffyandpuffy
      @fluffyandpuffy Год назад +1

      ​@@georgejpg hooxi

    • @DinkyWaffle
      @DinkyWaffle Год назад

      @@georgejpg nitr0 isn’t the issue

    • @anne-fx8ev
      @anne-fx8ev Год назад +1

      Update: liquid survives

  • @robineuvonen224
    @robineuvonen224 Год назад

    Such a nice flow for the video with nice editing supporting the commentary. Good work!

  • @Khanh1321
    @Khanh1321 Год назад +8

    Love this style of video. Everything said is facts and would love more like this!

  • @TheQwin10
    @TheQwin10 Год назад +4

    I feel like this video is missing a deeper exploration of what Yekindar talked about just recently in EPL S17 where the bootcamp was essentially worthless for them coming into the event. They started cold, lost to Rare Atom, and then found their form and crashed their way into playoffs. I'd love to hear you dissect what factors might make it inherently more difficult for NA orgs to be competitive, and maybe what can be done to improve that situation.

  • @cczeroX
    @cczeroX Год назад +1

    I don't even care that much about NA CS but the video editing was sublime and I was enjoying watching the video for that alone. Content-wise, also great.

  • @Benkofearth
    @Benkofearth Год назад +3

    insightful commentary as always

  • @getsomerest9053
    @getsomerest9053 Год назад +4

    wild timing

  • @ssjgold
    @ssjgold Год назад +16

    More Canadian players! Any Naffers in chat?

    • @K_End
      @K_End Год назад

      You know how I feel about Naf

    • @volkar8422
      @volkar8422 Год назад +2

      @@K_Endi know how you feel about naf user ss1pd4ob9z

  • @Malignantt1
    @Malignantt1 7 месяцев назад +1

    Its because people only want to re-sign the same people every year bc theyre too afraid of taking a risk on new talent. NA is hypercapitalist so they minimize risk by gatekeeping

  • @mariorobe4805
    @mariorobe4805 Год назад +1

    Simple answer - Culture. Ask yourself why there are so many successful Danish players? Well Denmark and Europe in general has built a culture around CS which holds a very high standard so when young players want to go pro they have a very good example of where they need to be to actually go pro which means they are faced with reality very early on and know the amount of work they need to put in to make it. Not to mention the countless Academy teams around Europe helping shape up young players and get them ready for the big stages. NA just doesn't seem to have the same serious approach to the game like Europe does with exceptions of course.

  • @Mad1Lee
    @Mad1Lee Год назад +9

    Launders, you gotta pay extra to your editor, he is doing a banger job here!

    • @launders
      @launders  Год назад +10

      thanks to AceZone i am x)

  • @lunatik383
    @lunatik383 Год назад +1

    This is a wild take that PROBABLY doesn't make sense, but I don't think Osee, Floppy, or NA CS will truly unlock itself until those two are on a team together again. They both unlock eachother, need em on the same squad

  • @haasii
    @haasii Год назад +58

    Liquid didn't do so well today! hopefully they can recover

    • @lburger404
      @lburger404 Год назад +1

      Those were tough games to watch... 2-0 :(

    • @ballertheking1038
      @ballertheking1038 Год назад

      liquid is allowed to have 1 bad event.
      hopefully it isn't the major.

    • @poopfartlord9695
      @poopfartlord9695 Год назад +5

      ​@@ballertheking1038 1 bad event? It's been a while since they've had a single good event.

    • @NoneNotNone
      @NoneNotNone Год назад +20

      @@poopfartlord9695 They have been semi-finals - finals at every single big event for the past 8 months except the major lmfao. Bot.

  • @rivailez96
    @rivailez96 Год назад +7

    One thing I dont agree is about osee not performing because of the agressive riflers because jame is way more passive than osee and it worked, maybe its about the teams structure idk, thats just how I see it. Nice video

    • @Revvylo
      @Revvylo Год назад +2

      It's hard to tell but Jame actually has really good entry stats. It's more in the mid and late round where he plays more safe.

    • @cimanimrolls
      @cimanimrolls Год назад

      @@WestlyFPS where are you getting that from?

  • @driver694
    @driver694 Год назад +2

    Perfect Timing after liquid got clapped by Rare Atom

  • @veygoNK
    @veygoNK Год назад +1

    found the timing of this video to be released funny with liquid going 0-2 against rare atom hours before. lol

  • @keg7991
    @keg7991 Год назад +1

    One word: fluoride.

  • @emircs2442
    @emircs2442 Год назад +1

    i personally watch and read tweets of NA valorant players and thay are really really ready to switch back to cs again, after source 2 released. I think the biggest reason why NA is not good at cs is that a lot of players switched to Valorant, so there are really really less cs players right now. I mean how are they good at cs when there is no one (who can play competitive) to play? Yes there are people playing cs but, come on, not enough

  • @saberterminal871
    @saberterminal871 Год назад +5

    did he just say blameF was getting 40k a month ??? god damn i didnt realize CS tier 1 salaries were that high. No wonder the players are always dripped out in Moncler all the time on their IGs lmao

  • @jacoblee5209
    @jacoblee5209 Год назад

    this video format is more shareable

  • @earthwolker1627
    @earthwolker1627 Год назад

    bro the backdrop got me tripping like im on shrooms

  • @-sorta
    @-sorta Год назад +2

    No country's players are better than another at any esport from what Ive seen. It's always a story of what's more popular. For example, league of legends is extremely mainstream in Korea, and because of that, Korea is easily the best region in league. Denmark, easily the best decorated country in counterstrike, has a strong culture around counter strike. NA players aren't bad, there just isn't enough to compete with EU.

  • @singular9
    @singular9 Год назад +1

    LSD level editing is back baby!

  • @ExeWay
    @ExeWay Год назад +1

    Quality content as always

  • @cr3amy479
    @cr3amy479 Год назад

    Some Guy from C9 tweeted this ”Pros also have to work on their Social numbers, personal brand, and content creation.” This is there pain problem

  • @ambivalence3741
    @ambivalence3741 Год назад +2

    tough timing regarding Liquid on this one lol

  • @BBROPHOTO
    @BBROPHOTO Год назад

    ‘all these guys could fit in your pocket’
    💀💀

  • @maxtuledo5688
    @maxtuledo5688 Год назад

    Saw your thumbnail and immediately thought about tacos idk why I guess I'm hungry

  • @MagnusTheCrimsonKing
    @MagnusTheCrimsonKing Год назад

    1:00 you mean Jame, He'll save us all.

  • @etry
    @etry Год назад +1

    the timing couldn't be worse rn😭😭😭 shout out to mah dawg moseyuh

  • @MitoseNorikoFan
    @MitoseNorikoFan Год назад +6

    I thought this was going to be a bad or unlucky for the entire Liquid team after today's game vs Rare Atom

  • @apeologists
    @apeologists Год назад

    Every Asian American CS player in shambles after the last two launders videos

  • @sonnyyu386
    @sonnyyu386 Год назад +1

    I'm still bitter about the fact that yekindar should of been in Navi, then theu'd get all the firepower they need

  • @graysonwood7559
    @graysonwood7559 Год назад

    banger as always

  • @allangreene15ag
    @allangreene15ag Год назад

    well said, Lau

  • @nickh.27
    @nickh.27 Год назад

    Complexity gets the shit end of the stick and is still able to hold up against strong teams.

  • @gimmegimmechicken
    @gimmegimmechicken Год назад +6

    Lack of practice is probably the biggest factor. NA had ZERO top 20 players in 2022 (1 if you count Twistzz) I imagine how tough it could be to compete against the best players and systems in the world with no reference point besides demos. Another aspect is clearly financial, there is a lack of support in NA for anyone who doesn't play for Liquid/EG/coL, it's very hard to dedicate yourself to something this strenuous with no financial compensation or stability. Individually, a lot of NA players are selfish, play for stats, are racist etc, that makes it difficult to create teams in general, especially teams with dedicated, talented players who want to win at all cost

  • @__Nicholas__
    @__Nicholas__ Год назад

    I think the floor is higher in NA but the ceiling is higher in EU

  • @simonsoderstrom5356
    @simonsoderstrom5356 Год назад

    NA cs is a big rip due to the average mentality in americans is that money is the most important thing and not the love to the game. So they are loosing the lower layer of good players to other games or if they get good they choose to stream and earn more money. And the lack of good leaders/igls is just the top of the iceberg. One solution is to import players to build a scene, and im not talking one or two players, talking more like in the NHL and get ALOT of players. Also get all the free agent igl, coaches to build up the lower scene and let them get good deals like get payed per player that get drafted to the major teams.

  • @FlashedDom
    @FlashedDom Год назад +1

    It's definitley not a skill issue. As someone who plays both NA and EU. Largest issue with NA definitley falls under an issue with the community. Whether that be communication issue, toxicity, or cheating. Truth is computer gaming / counterstrike just isnt that popular in America. EU i've easily pushed to LEM-Global and have fluctated between those ranks. NA MG and up is painful. Theres not as much players meaning you either just play cheaters or people that are throwing because toxicisty. My experience in NA CS is say one wrong thing or have one bad play either vote kick or tked or shit talk and no comms. EU theres such a large playerbase where the same issues are still present but less common due to population.

    • @randomuruk7230
      @randomuruk7230 2 месяца назад

      Lol what a load of nonsense. NA match making is an absolute joke.

  • @downnnnnn
    @downnnnnn Год назад

    Couldn’t have uploaded this at a worst time man. Jam young the goat sadly

  • @minibeech03
    @minibeech03 Год назад

    i wish there was an all canadian team, that included twistzz

  • @BatteryAz1z
    @BatteryAz1z Год назад

    loving the jum pc uts

  • @hungotuan4431
    @hungotuan4431 Год назад

    Anyone here who watch football (soccer) can compare EG immediately to PSG, a VERY RICH club operating in 🇫🇷. PSG has been notorious for throwing money around for star players and coaches, and yet not being able to actually be competitive in the Champions League (biggest club competition in Europe) despite their profile and high pay roll. EG is suffering the same fate

  • @bezwr
    @bezwr Год назад

    dw lau gimmie 2 yrs bb ima bless us all❤

  • @dj-rocketman8545
    @dj-rocketman8545 Год назад

    The NA scene is small. I work at valve and most csgo players are from EU.

  • @fenrirx481
    @fenrirx481 Год назад

    I read somewhere on Twitter that most NA teams should be disbanded and should be replaced by those EU rosters without any orgs ( Copenhagen flames, BNE etc)

  • @nizumablader
    @nizumablader Год назад

    I think most interest in NA is in other games, valorant, apex, fortnite. I think with cs2 we will see more people become aware of the game and start playing it. I played fortnite and apex for years, never tried cs until a week ago. Just wasn’t on my radar. The game just isn’t as popular as the other titles in North America.

    • @randomuruk7230
      @randomuruk7230 2 месяца назад

      CS is literally an American game.

    • @nizumablader
      @nizumablader 2 месяца назад

      @@randomuruk7230 doesn’t mean it’s arguably more popular in other regions than other shooters in NA

  • @Diabeto21
    @Diabeto21 Год назад +2

    I was smoking that EG copium until they kicked Cerq. Cerq was not the best but he is the "Baby Face Killa". They brought on Wiz and this guy drops 4 ADR games. (💀Insert Dead Emoji💀) I just can't do it anymore EG. I'm dropping EG as my team and I will now be supporting................. whatever team Cerq gets picked up by. So I won't be watching CS for a very long time. HE SO FINE

  • @davidchen4592
    @davidchen4592 Год назад

    Can you make a video about cs mastery. I think it would be a lot of work but I would love to hear you talk about every skill that players can improve on. Ex. Categories like cross hair placement, movement etc

  • @kebabtvrtkic4299
    @kebabtvrtkic4299 Год назад

    Are you gonna go all in on oSee same way that Moses did on Koosta? PEPPERIDGE FARMS REMEMBERS.

  • @DrT741
    @DrT741 Год назад

    Great vid Lau. Any chance we get another demo review soon? I'm having withdrawals

  • @rcadegaming9123
    @rcadegaming9123 Год назад +1

    Video summed up:
    NA is fun to watch win
    This makes NA unfun to watch

  • @StoneColdClassics
    @StoneColdClassics Год назад +3

    NA Valorant in comparison seems to be in a pretty good spot, and it’s mostly because of former CS players. NRG is a top 4-5 team in the world, Sentinels have potential and EG/100T seem to be solid teams. It’s amazing that C9/Faze don’t even want NA CS rosters lol. Good video I’m glad we finally have a realistic NA esports channel, I’m sick of Europeans constantly shitting on NA instead of actually talking about the game

    • @hao2000ki
      @hao2000ki Год назад +1

      it's in a good spot because the game is still new and most NA players transferred over to valorant while the eu players stayed in cs. wait a few more years for actual talent to grow in the valorant scene and most of these na players are going to lose their place there too

    • @thrivinganarchy5267
      @thrivinganarchy5267 Год назад

      @@hao2000ki lol

  • @nadesun7075
    @nadesun7075 Год назад

    watching after liquid got 0 2 💀

  • @rahatzaman8120
    @rahatzaman8120 Год назад

    Is this man that indian CS player who was in that team with forsaken ?

  • @cosmicthrillseeker
    @cosmicthrillseeker Год назад

    sick intro

  • @kommisar_chiptune
    @kommisar_chiptune Год назад

    It's sad cuz EG was my favorite team back in 2004-2006 but it's not the same vibe anymore obv. I want them to do well but idk there must be a reason for the NA mindset

  • @ellahazan-fuchs7249
    @ellahazan-fuchs7249 Год назад

    It's fitting that Lau was upset going into the video, just like team Liquid was upset by Rare Atom the obvious new no. 1 team in the world

  • @cheese41103
    @cheese41103 Год назад

    I think something else that plays a role - population disparity when compared to Europe. With the US having less players compared to EU, it means there are less T1 teams to practice against UNLESS they plan to bootcamp in EU - which is also expensive. Why would an org pay for a losing roster to travel to Europe just to get destroyed in every tournament they play? Even if you look at a few T2 EU teams, they would give the US teams like EG, TL, or Complexity a run for their money.
    It’s tough to say. Any excuse made for NA feels like cope, even for me who is a large NA fanboy. Hopefully more orgs will take a chance on those who may not be in the spotlight, just like Complexity did with the ES boys or EG did with a few of their players too.
    It’s tough to really find reasons. We will just have to wait and see.

  • @thog5962
    @thog5962 Год назад +1

    I Love Coach lau!

  • @fanoose
    @fanoose Год назад

    this says alot about society

  • @Riska7
    @Riska7 Год назад

    everyone tries their best till they’re pro all the sacrifices for nothing. once they’re pro they don’t work enough once there ( i know nothing about the cs scene)

  • @moritzlee706
    @moritzlee706 Год назад

    Man EG has a 15 man roster in CS! People make fun of them having a 10 man roster in Val...

  • @cIownzone
    @cIownzone Год назад

    no hate towards eg and i'm glad party astronauts are getting their checks but i miss watching PA play in tourneys

  • @cyasoon6045
    @cyasoon6045 Год назад

    I will say it 5000 more times idc. NA has always had loads of insane and notable talent but never all the right pieces at the right time or positioning to make a team with the same punching power as Fnatic, Astralis or SK respectably for their time periods. In modern CS NA is struggling because of the loss of major players but more notably the orgs are gone to. Every CS org wants to be in Eu which makes it difficult and more expensive for upcoming talent or even old talent to stick around let alone compete or make a name internationally for NA.

  • @alvancao7920
    @alvancao7920 Год назад

    What happened vs Rare Atom today...

  • @Nick-ij5nt
    @Nick-ij5nt Год назад

    I somewhat disagree about oSee, the biggest issue I see with him is his inconsistency, and maybe like you said that's an issue with his lack of initiative or something but he has to figure something out. I see him hit the craziest flicks you've ever seen where the guy is jump airstrafing at him but then he misses the easiest sitters where the guy slow walks right into his crosshair.

  • @watadrinker
    @watadrinker Год назад

    GOOD CONTENT

  • @suzuki-qo4rm
    @suzuki-qo4rm Год назад

    you should make a vid on uk cs

  • @DurealzForReal
    @DurealzForReal Год назад +3

    simple, NA players let their own emotions reflect too much on their gameplay. this leads to stagnant levels of improvement. it's a hypothesis based on anecdotal but VERY accurate evidence

    • @aidanwolff3213
      @aidanwolff3213 Год назад +2

      lol or maybe NA plays counterstrike at a much much much lower rate than northers or eastern europe

  • @tex4533
    @tex4533 Год назад

    It’s because they do their practice in schools and not online

  • @ccliviolin
    @ccliviolin Год назад

    interz would be a really good fit for EG I'm ngl

  • @Gwazi
    @Gwazi Год назад

    EG should pick up Swisher. Swisher is a great player. I’ve been a fan of him for a long time and I’ve been following his progress from way back before he was even on YeaH Gaming. Now he’s on ATK and he is probably the best player in the team. It is an international team too, and he is the only American on it. He is a tier 1 player. He will do great things. He deserves a better team than ATK. I hope he can get on Liquid or another Tier 1 team like that
    Also I like Jonji. I think he’s on EG White

  • @Zimbalance
    @Zimbalance Год назад

    We have a lot of job hopping in America, so e-Sports is no different. I learned from my years of competitive gaming the best teams were the ones that stuck together the longest because that's a skill of it's own in today's egocentric narcissism world.

  • @miguelalcorta3558
    @miguelalcorta3558 Год назад

    Complexity, right now, is the best team in america if they are able to top Liquid. And I think they can right now, the matchup will tell.

  • @starcellars1873
    @starcellars1873 Год назад

    Whenever i queue, i get random middle easterns in my team(from india btw)

  • @brendanbutkus2392
    @brendanbutkus2392 Год назад

    Sipping that NA copium hard came back to cs the last few months after being out of touch with the pro league side of thing for years and man im drowning in the copium, rooting for liquid in paris

  • @mariusdreiermller-andersen2042

    can you make a video about why denmark is so good at cs? I can help you with you know how things work here in denmark :D

  • @infeCtedRonald
    @infeCtedRonald Год назад

    I'm looking forward to ATK's potential rise. Those guys are hungry!

  • @denzo3882
    @denzo3882 Год назад

    Liquid is the most solid NA team right now.

  • @m.i.l9724
    @m.i.l9724 Год назад +1

    the fact that canadians are better players than americans is brutal. no one can deny that.

    • @gabrielwildman
      @gabrielwildman Год назад

      it's actually kind of odd the amount of canadian representation considering there's like no lans in canada and the population is so small. If you live in a small town or rural area in one of the prairie provinces you probably were used to getting like 120-200 ping up until like 5 years ago

    • @m.i.l9724
      @m.i.l9724 Год назад

      @@gabrielwildman holy shit!!!

  • @NotThatJojjo
    @NotThatJojjo Год назад +1

    Hey at least it's not like how it is in the swedish scene... non existant.

  • @ezJamesN
    @ezJamesN Год назад

    Na needs a player with a big personality like Stewie

  • @naoboyz8259
    @naoboyz8259 Год назад

    *actual title
    "Why Americans aren't good in anything?"

  • @TurkiskYoghurt
    @TurkiskYoghurt Год назад

    It has always been EU > NA in any competitive game. Why? Who knows

  • @dog-tu9tt
    @dog-tu9tt Год назад

    Man i got the Global with a EU VPN and in the US I was hardstuck DMG

  • @austingrismer3018
    @austingrismer3018 Год назад

    bro i just want a demo review ))):

  • @crimnvL
    @crimnvL Год назад

    i miss NA cs

  • @Cssisabeautifulthang
    @Cssisabeautifulthang Год назад +2

    RA is just good. Not coping

  • @CarlitoJr408
    @CarlitoJr408 Год назад

    Elige been doing bad since yekindar joined, seems like he's threatened and has something to prove so he's not playing his game. Naf fell asleep, sometimes he wakes up but seems like he's been sleeping a lot more lately. Using James' starts isn't working. Nitro needs to lead the team back to more explosive rounds. Liquid just looks lost and scared, pathetic rn. Osee was amazing at the start. Now it's like he sits in a corner and waits to die. Way too passive, get your balls back osee, if you miss a shot and die, so what, you could end up making a game winning play. Yekindar, that surprise element is no longer a surprise. This also goes back to the whole team playing too passive but yekindar too aggressive, as well as elige too aggressive. Whole team needs to go back to basics, remember what everyone is good at, and toss the jame method... Doesn't work here.

  • @liquidmilk5323
    @liquidmilk5323 Год назад

    I guess this video was recorded before Liquid got destroyed by Rare Atom last night or else I'd say Lau wouldn't have said Liquid are good :)