True. In Ep 1, during Qui-gons funeral, Yoda and Mace Windu are seen discussing Maul. They didn't know if he was the Master, or the Apprentice. All they knew was that he was a Sith Lord.
Guys don't get your hopes up too much. Judging by how the show is structured Qimir could be the sole villain of the show that gets beaten by the power of friendship in episode 10.
If you have "Darth" in the title, you're a Sith Lord. Darth Tyranus, Vader, and Maul were all Sith Lords though all were Sidious apprentices. The Master and the Apprentice are both Sith; servants and other lackeys that might get some dark side training (like the Knights of Ren, The Inquisitors, or Ventress) are "acolytes".
From what Qimir said, it feels like he is not really sith, he said that's how they would call him, maybe there can be still 2 real siths somewhere hiding who don't like this Qimir doing mess around.
it could be that he recently killed his master. But also isn't Vader still considered a sith lord even while apprentices to palpatine? So he could be a sith lord and still apprenticed to tenebrous, right?
Both master and apprentice held the title of a Sith Lord under the Rule of Two. According to Wookiepedia, they both even held the mantle of Dark Lord of the Sith.
I mean the show has been painfully predictable. Pretty sure every knew Qimir was the dark Jedi… I doubt they wrote a good explanation for this anyways. This show should’ve just been canceled.
There's also the fact that he didn't exactly admit to being a Sith. He said the Jedi would call him a Sith, but that doesn't actually mean he's a Sith. Knowing the director of this show, she does put a lot of Red Herrings out. Watch Russian Doll.
“Yo yo boys check it. There’s something up with this place. The Jedi are hunting me, all the tvs don’t get nfl red zone, my acolyte doesn’t know who Blake Bortles is…I think we’re in the bad place.” - Smilo Ren
She also said that she thought it would be cool for the apprentice of the master to actively be seeking his own apprentice, an acolyte. That’s what I think this Sith Lord is. Possibly Darth Tenebrous’ or Darth Plagueis’ first apprentice before their next.
Maybe he found a bunch of books in a hollow tree that gave detailed explanations of the sith and their teachings. It happens more often than you might think
I honestly agree with the theories that he is a predecessor to the Knights of Ren. Their theme was playing throughout that episode, the helmet style is similar, and the way the show discusses "why hide your face" I think emphasizes this connection because the Knights of Ren also didn't show their faces.
If this show is like 100 years or whatever before the prequels why would they make a reference of something that happens like 40 years after the prequels?? Makes no sense. Knights of Ren happen sooo much later than this timeline.
@@mudkipbrekastaf6634 Ok yeah and if he PRECEDES Knights of Ren then it’s a different faction. Wookiepedia says Knights of Ren was formed in 3 ABY. Why would the first of them exist like 150 years before the battle of Yavin even happens?
The publicity for this show has been a show in itself. “Anakin blew up the Death Star” was intentional and plays up the characters dorky-ness. “It’s the gayest Star Wars” was just to rile up the haters.
He could be just a self-tought dark side user who stumbled over ancient sith holocrons, artefacts or writings. It wouldn't be the first time in legends and canon that someone embraces the teachings of the sith ordert that way. That might even explain why he is so ambiguous when he says "you may call me sith".
I mean it clearly seemed that they were set up to be "the few students that Ben Solo took after he destroyed Luke's academy". But now they were retconed to be some group of dudes who Orginaly followed a dude named Ren who's now dead & they're pretty old & weak in the dark side by the time Snoke recruited them.
In Disney SW there was this group of pro Imperialists/Vader cultists were one of the members put on a ancient Sith helmet & she was possed by the dark side spirit. Think it was in Aftermath.
I'm under the Impression that Tenebrous master was Darth Gaen who was still alive and a Sith Sorcereress using essence transference, and was the Female Twilek in the Hunter's Moon chapter of Darth Plagueis. Thr Maxi Chloriams were to trap her in one form and for him to escape her influence
Darth Gaen would have lost a lot of knowledge due to her master's actions so I find it unlikely that she would know how to do the essence transfer. Tenebrous' master in legends is just described as a twi'lek without any gender or name mentioned so it is more likely a completely different person. I also think it is implied that Darth Gaen lived about 500 years before the Battle of Yavin
Darth is literally a Sith word that means something akin to Dark Lord in their ancient language. Any Sith who has achieved much during their time can earn the title of Dark Lord, confirming their power and lethality even if they are a lowly apprentice.
I have also seen it mention how the Sith broke the rule of two a lot. Sith are not good at following rules. They like to apply rules onto others without following it themselves. In legends there is apparently many examples of them ignoring the rule.
Yeah he can be a Sith Lord and still not be the master. It’s not like saying he’s *the* dark lord of the sith, which I do think indicated being the master. But just Sith Lord? No.
The second that his undercover character was being INCREDIBLY VAGUE to all of Mei's questions about the master... I knew exactly what was coming. I've seen Naruto Shippuden (Tobi) and Fast and Furious (Braga)... I don't know why they were the first two examples of "the villain hiding in plain sight" that I could think of, but my point stands.
Doesn't matter what others say. He uses a red lightsaber and said the word Sith to Sol. Meaning Sol is a dead man walking. If he tells the council it will completely break canon.
Just because there is one duo doesn’t mean there isn’t another one, there may be multiple people following the rule of 2 simultaneously without knowing of the other sith
Even if he is called a Sith Lord thay doesn’t really stop him from being an apprentice, my theory is that Qimier is the current apprentice to Darth Tenebrous but similar do how Palpatine replace Maul with Dooku and eventually Vader, Qimier will probably die sometime later in the show then we will get a cutscene of Tenebrous getting Plaguise as his new apprentice. But hey that’s just a theory..a film theory 😉
Both the Apprentice and Master are Sith Lords, Vader was never a Sith Master, but as an apprentice he was a Dark Lord of the Sith. Surprised this video is still up and not taken down because of how utterly wrong it is.
It'd be nice to see Tenebrous just scrunch Qimir and go "Well better go back to my evil plan of making everyone's basic needs fulfilled so there will be no war or famine or need for the jedi what an evil Sith I am!"
Could also mean nothing! I mean probably not, but the actors have definitely straight up lied to hide plot points. Manny originally said he didnt even get to touch a lightsaber during filming.
@@daniell5740 Not really lol. He let her live once then killed her the next time. Maul killed a jedi master then got killed by a padawan. Rank doesn't always matter much. Still, I just really doubt they were gonna have Qimir be less than a lord with him killing so many jedi like that.
One thing I'd like to point out that just as with the Jedi Purge, it is also possible that Darth Bane's Purge of the Sith may not have been 100% successful, and Kimir could possibly be a Sith outside the Line of Bane and not in conformity with the Rule of Two. Additionally, he might not even be a REAL Sith, just someone who is Force-sensitive who happened upon ancient Sith teachings in some form or another, and he now thinks if himself as a Sith simply because of these Dark Side teachings.
Just too add to the speculation, we have all forgotten about the Dark Jedi. Keep in mind that Qimir sounds like a very shallow character motivated by self interest, it didn’t feel like he had passion for his power, like a Sith would.
Sith lord doesn't mean master, maul was considered a sith lord and so maybe darth tenebrous tries to have him killed for revealing himself to the jedi. He fakes his death and goes into hiding and creates the nights of ren.
Wait. He force pulls a human body into a chokehold and then when a light is attached to his back, he loses the ability to use the force? And when the creatures attack him, he just uses his lightsaber? Haven't watched this but damn, that looks pretty dumb.
I think 'Sith' or 'Sith Lord' or other terminology is getting tossed around colloquially as a short hand or placeholder until more details are revealed. Which is probably fine, especially if you're just chilling and watching the show. But I can see how it might get confusing if you're actually trying to pin him down with lore.
He could still be an apprentice, and Leslie and Manny could absolutely be lying considering they've already done that multiple times. If they say "maybe he isnt a sith" in an interview that gives the reveal away that hes a Knight of Ren. These sorts of interviews need to be taken with a grain of salt because they are actively trying to lead fans away from reveals.
It's not that I'm married to the Ren theory or the Sith one. I just feel there is too much chatter from SW officials during these shows. I would prefer if there was radio silence until the audience have watched the entire thing. But of course they have to do the promo stuff before the show is done. Can't really win these days I think. I miss the days when we could actually spend a bit of time wondering about what's next instead of getting things confirmed or debunked asap! I would actually prefer if they flat out lied about plot points when talking to the press early on. They can always confirm or debunk stuff after we are done.
@@kirkdarling4120lol ok, he has similar music and scarring to Ren (not Kylo) from the comics, there’s very possibly a connection there. Randomly assuming things are in bad faith when the show isn’t even over isn’t really a fair criticism
This is what is so frustrating about all these allegations of lore breaking. People are making up their own rules and they saying “Ah ha! Lore broken!” When it doesn’t match up. Has Tenebrus even been confirmed in canon? Has Venimus? I’m not saying they are crying lore break, but as everyone else here has pointed out, both Sith Master and Apprentice are Sith Lords so we still have no idea whether Qimir is master or apprentice.
Why would anyone think this is a knights of ren…. Lmao this is a 100 years before episode 1 and the nights of ren don’t make an appearance till episode 9 lol
Master and Apprentice are the 2 Sith Lords. The assassin's, acolytes, cultists (characters like Mae, Ventress, Savage Oppress, Pestage, etc) fall under the banner of the Sith, may pick up some teachings but they aren't on the level of Sith Lord, unless one of the Lords chooses them as an apprentice and kills the other Lord. So he can still be a Sith Lord as an apprentice
Question what are the knights of Ren? I only ever heard of it in the sequel and assumed it was started by kylo ren because his name. So I’m very confused on how he would be theorized to be a knight of ren if that group hasn’t been established yet.
Ren is a title. Kylo killed previous Ren and took his title alongside his group. And that Ren killed the leader before him and took his name. We don't know for how long knights of Ren exist, but it would make sense for Quimir to be the original Ren trying to establish his own group of dark siders.
@@osiolek1112I just looked it up and on the wookiepedia it say Knights of Ren was established in 3 ABY…so 3 years after the battle of Yavin but Acolyte is like 100 years before Ep.1 even happens. Would be some terrible writing and yet I wouldn’t be surprised if this happens.
@FacePunchSammich Oh, I didn't know that. Disney is retconong their own stuff from comics and books all the time, though. So I would be surprised if somehow Acolyte turns up to be the most consistent d+ show, lol.
@@osiolek1112 dude the retcons are insane…can’t believe they tried to portray the Jedi as morally bad earlier on in Acolyte. They’ve gone off the deep end.
Yeah, Orginaly in a novel Ahsoka killed the 6th Brother. In Tales of the Jedi it's a new inquisitor. They do change their own canon all the time. Andor said he was never in prison in R1. In his own show he goes to prison.
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Correction: Sith Lord doesn't necessarily mean they are a 'Sith Master', meaning Darth Tenebrous can still be alive.
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True. In Ep 1, during Qui-gons funeral, Yoda and Mace Windu are seen discussing Maul. They didn't know if he was the Master, or the Apprentice. All they knew was that he was a Sith Lord.
@@grubhubguy9629 and every officer and even Palpatine call Vader “Lord Vader”
Should have had that "revelation" before you made a video saying otherwise.
@EcksClips darth venamis?
But they’re both too stupid to know that.
Reminder that Sith Lord doesn’t mean Sith Master. Both the Sith Master and Sith Apprentice are considered Sith Lords.
This
100% this
both are even considered "Dark Lord of the Sith" which is a step up from Sith Lord in the Sith rank hierarchy.
Maul as well, I don't remember in which scene, but he was also referered to as a Sith Lord.
Agreed Dooku and Vader were both Sith Lords but were apprentices
Well , Vader , who is an apprentice , was also called a "sith lord"
As were both dooku and maul, so yeah her saying that doesn t negate the possibility of a master.
Exactly, the Sith earn the title of Lord just like they earn the title of Darth, both don't necessarily mean they are the master.
@@mj-hn5jx Maul was only called an appreciation by the Jedi. He was actually a Sith assassin.
Obviously he's a Smilo, apprentice of Darth Jonkler
NO
Darth Balls
Dick Grayscale is Man’s pedowan???
@@falsetitle6940 BWAHAHAHAHA
Is he stupid?
Darth Vader was a Sith Lord but not the master so this can still be the apprentice
Pretty much all Sith apprentices in the films have been referred to as “Sith Lord”
Guys don't get your hopes up too much. Judging by how the show is structured Qimir could be the sole villain of the show that gets beaten by the power of friendship in episode 10.
The power of many gonna manifest itself and turn Qimir queer. That’s how the show ends
There is only 8 episodes
@@cloutismad and .. whatever. you didnt get the point neither the joke here.
@@kalejarmar3187 No.. I did infact get it! I was just pointing out there were only 8 episodes. So hard to believe not everyone is attacking everyone??
Maul, Vader, and Dooku were all sith lords but were all also apprentices at the same time. Just bc hes a sith lord doesn’t mean he’s a master.
I don't understand why they put kylo ren's theme if they don't make the sith a knight of Ren
They have no budget for an original soundtrack
he could be under the rule of 2 now and in later shows he could break off to form or join knights of ren, but yeah i agree.
their originality ran out 🤣🤣
the entire show is confusing
They play snippets of Duel of the Fates in AotC and RotS, it's not that big of a deal
If you have "Darth" in the title, you're a Sith Lord. Darth Tyranus, Vader, and Maul were all Sith Lords though all were Sidious apprentices. The Master and the Apprentice are both Sith; servants and other lackeys that might get some dark side training (like the Knights of Ren, The Inquisitors, or Ventress) are "acolytes".
From what Qimir said, it feels like he is not really sith, he said that's how they would call him, maybe there can be still 2 real siths somewhere hiding who don't like this Qimir doing mess around.
He's a Knight of Stimpy.
it could be that he recently killed his master. But also isn't Vader still considered a sith lord even while apprentices to palpatine? So he could be a sith lord and still apprenticed to tenebrous, right?
Both master and apprentice held the title of a Sith Lord under the Rule of Two. According to Wookiepedia, they both even held the mantle of Dark Lord of the Sith.
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This literally means nothing. They could've lied or misspoke. Until it's confirmed in the show, don't pay attention to this
I mean the show has been painfully predictable. Pretty sure every knew Qimir was the dark Jedi…
I doubt they wrote a good explanation for this anyways.
This show should’ve just been canceled.
There's also the fact that he didn't exactly admit to being a Sith. He said the Jedi would call him a Sith, but that doesn't actually mean he's a Sith. Knowing the director of this show, she does put a lot of Red Herrings out. Watch Russian Doll.
Fr, Manny has been lying throughout the entire time promoting the show, writers lie all the time in promotional material.
“Yo yo boys check it. There’s something up with this place. The Jedi are hunting me, all the tvs don’t get nfl red zone, my acolyte doesn’t know who Blake Bortles is…I think we’re in the bad place.” - Smilo Ren
She also said that she thought it would be cool for the apprentice of the master to actively be seeking his own apprentice, an acolyte. That’s what I think this Sith Lord is. Possibly Darth Tenebrous’ or Darth Plagueis’ first apprentice before their next.
Well in old canon Plagueis was like 10 this time so this "smile ren" could of been Tenebrous first apprentice.
So starkiller lol
Maybe he found a bunch of books in a hollow tree that gave detailed explanations of the sith and their teachings.
It happens more often than you might think
Asaje Vetress: "The Dark Side is strong in me, for I am Sith."
Dooku: "Ha, ha, ha! A bold claim. But you are not Sith."
-2003 Clone wars
That’s not canon
@@dylanmart6007 wow gottem
@@dylanmart6007it literally is kid
Ventress wasn't a sith because Sidious and Dooku already were, plus Ventress is dogahit in comparison
@@dawidjanik545 well yes but actually no
I honestly agree with the theories that he is a predecessor to the Knights of Ren. Their theme was playing throughout that episode, the helmet style is similar, and the way the show discusses "why hide your face" I think emphasizes this connection because the Knights of Ren also didn't show their faces.
If this show is like 100 years or whatever before the prequels why would they make a reference of something that happens like 40 years after the prequels??
Makes no sense.
Knights of Ren happen sooo much later than this timeline.
@@FacePunchSammich I know. That's why I said "predecessor."
@@mudkipbrekastaf6634 Ok yeah and if he PRECEDES Knights of Ren then it’s a different faction.
Wookiepedia says Knights of Ren was formed in 3 ABY.
Why would the first of them exist like 150 years before the battle of Yavin even happens?
@@FacePunchSammich Because he preceded them...
@@mudkipbrekastaf6634 you dumb
Potentially he could also be a failed apprentice of Tenebrous who escaped his master's wrath like what happened to Darth Millenial under Cognus.
Also remember that they don't know or care about the canon so nothing they say really matters.
The character recites the sith code and says he’s a sith
Why are people confused about him being a Sith Lord?
The publicity for this show has been a show in itself. “Anakin blew up the Death Star” was intentional and plays up the characters dorky-ness. “It’s the gayest Star Wars” was just to rile up the haters.
He could be just a self-tought dark side user who stumbled over ancient sith holocrons, artefacts or writings. It wouldn't be the first time in legends and canon that someone embraces the teachings of the sith ordert that way. That might even explain why he is so ambiguous when he says "you may call me sith".
I think he could be possibly tenebrus’ first apprentice. He could die at the end of the series and as a result tenebrus recruits a young plagues
Never liked the idea behind the Knights of Ren. I'm glad at least he's not one of them.
I mean it clearly seemed that they were set up to be "the few students that Ben Solo took after he destroyed Luke's academy". But now they were retconed to be some group of dudes who Orginaly followed a dude named Ren who's now dead & they're pretty old & weak in the dark side by the time Snoke recruited them.
He’s the apprentice of Jar Jar Binks
Qimir could also be a Dark Jedi who got his hands on a Sith holocron, or someone who is possessed by an ancient Sith spirit.
In Disney SW there was this group of pro Imperialists/Vader cultists were one of the members put on a ancient Sith helmet & she was possed by the dark side spirit. Think it was in Aftermath.
I find it hard to believe she was able to sneak up on a force user who just killed several Jedi.
Is it just me, or does the smile on his helmet look a lot like Abeloth?
Your not wrong
I'm under the Impression that Tenebrous master was Darth Gaen who was still alive and a Sith Sorcereress using essence transference, and was the Female Twilek in the Hunter's Moon chapter of Darth Plagueis. Thr Maxi Chloriams were to trap her in one form and for him to escape her influence
Darth Gaen would have lost a lot of knowledge due to her master's actions so I find it unlikely that she would know how to do the essence transfer. Tenebrous' master in legends is just described as a twi'lek without any gender or name mentioned so it is more likely a completely different person. I also think it is implied that Darth Gaen lived about 500 years before the Battle of Yavin
@@gregoryschweitzer1735Tenebrous master was Darth Ramage or Ramages apprentice given how Tenebrous was 180 when he died in legends
AAAGGHH you can hide plot twists without straight up lying, that only diminishes their credibility with fans smh
I don't think that Harvey Weinstein's Acolyte knows anything about Darth Tenebrous or that his timeline at all.
He’s probably tenebrous or his master
Bro NOBODY was questioning if he was a Sith or not 😂
Darth is literally a Sith word that means something akin to Dark Lord in their ancient language. Any Sith who has achieved much during their time can earn the title of Dark Lord, confirming their power and lethality even if they are a lowly apprentice.
Quite possible a fallen Sith apprentice seeking an apprentice of his own to depose the current holders of the Rule of Two: Tenebrous and Plagueis.
I have also seen it mention how the Sith broke the rule of two a lot. Sith are not good at following rules. They like to apply rules onto others without following it themselves. In legends there is apparently many examples of them ignoring the rule.
I wouldnt put it past them to forget about the rule of two and anything as deep in the lore as Darth tenebrous honestly
I can hear the interview now...
_well, the Rule of Two was developed by the patriarchy; so, we're not using it_
What u mean he literally talks about the rule of 2
@@daniell5740 who does
Sith Lord is both the master and the apprentice
Yeah he can be a Sith Lord and still not be the master. It’s not like saying he’s *the* dark lord of the sith, which I do think indicated being the master. But just Sith Lord? No.
The second that his undercover character was being INCREDIBLY VAGUE to all of Mei's questions about the master... I knew exactly what was coming.
I've seen Naruto Shippuden (Tobi) and Fast and Furious (Braga)... I don't know why they were the first two examples of "the villain hiding in plain sight" that I could think of, but my point stands.
Doesn't matter what others say. He uses a red lightsaber and said the word Sith to Sol. Meaning Sol is a dead man walking. If he tells the council it will completely break canon.
'The Rule of Two'
Maybe he's a sith who doesn't follow the rules
As if the Sith actually cared for that rule, with all the different dark siders running around and being called Sith in both canon and legends
calling someone that fights like that a knight of ren is an insult
Just because there is one duo doesn’t mean there isn’t another one, there may be multiple people following the rule of 2 simultaneously without knowing of the other sith
In Clone Wars Palpatine straight up tells Maul "You have become a rival"
The Rule of Two doesn't just magically happen. It has to be enforced.
Yeah, in old canon there was the "Sith Lost Tribe".
@@Turambar_499 but what if the sith clans don’t know about each other yet, that’s how I want Quimir to die, killed by this periods actual sith
Even if he is called a Sith Lord thay doesn’t really stop him from being an apprentice, my theory is that Qimier is the current apprentice to Darth Tenebrous but similar do how Palpatine replace Maul with Dooku and eventually Vader, Qimier will probably die sometime later in the show then we will get a cutscene of Tenebrous getting Plaguise as his new apprentice.
But hey that’s just a theory..a film theory 😉
He only said “ what YOU might call sith” doesn’t mean he is one
Well that's an issue isn't it.
He is in the Sith lordship but we don’t grant him Sith mastership.
Both the Apprentice and Master are Sith Lords, Vader was never a Sith Master, but as an apprentice he was a Dark Lord of the Sith. Surprised this video is still up and not taken down because of how utterly wrong it is.
It'd be nice to see Tenebrous just scrunch Qimir and go "Well better go back to my evil plan of making everyone's basic needs fulfilled so there will be no war or famine or need for the jedi what an evil Sith I am!"
Could also mean nothing! I mean probably not, but the actors have definitely straight up lied to hide plot points. Manny originally said he didnt even get to touch a lightsaber during filming.
I just thought of something, what if there were other Sith out there in hiding other than Darth Trenebrus and Pleguis.
This guy could be the master of tenebrous as well.
Obviously hes not a sith.. he works for lizzo from the mandolorian smh 🤦
I knew he had to at least be a "Sith Lord" if he was gonna be so powerful.
He isnt powerful lol
@@daniell5740 He killed like 7 jedi singlehandedly and were able to use the force on them with ease. Dude def is powerful lol
@@Juel92 he got his ass kicked by a padawon lol
@@daniell5740 Not really lol. He let her live once then killed her the next time. Maul killed a jedi master then got killed by a padawan. Rank doesn't always matter much.
Still, I just really doubt they were gonna have Qimir be less than a lord with him killing so many jedi like that.
Yeah the actress who played Jeki implied that Jeki and Osha were going to have a romantic relationship, maybe take the interviews with a grain of salt
Qimir Ren has got me excited about the remaining episodes. I want more dark side plots!
Well spoiler
he did said "the jedi like you *might* call me a Sith"
One thing I'd like to point out that just as with the Jedi Purge, it is also possible that Darth Bane's Purge of the Sith may not have been 100% successful, and Kimir could possibly be a Sith outside the Line of Bane and not in conformity with the Rule of Two.
Additionally, he might not even be a REAL Sith, just someone who is Force-sensitive who happened upon ancient Sith teachings in some form or another, and he now thinks if himself as a Sith simply because of these Dark Side teachings.
Just too add to the speculation, we have all forgotten about the Dark Jedi. Keep in mind that Qimir sounds like a very shallow character motivated by self interest, it didn’t feel like he had passion for his power, like a Sith would.
Sith lord doesn't mean master, maul was considered a sith lord and so maybe darth tenebrous tries to have him killed for revealing himself to the jedi. He fakes his death and goes into hiding and creates the nights of ren.
For clarification: DARK LORD OF THE SITH is the master's title. Lord of the Sith could be any Sith.
what even is a Sith lord, Vader works under the emperor, THE sith lord, but he himself is a sith lord. Darth Maul too was called a sith lord.
How could he have been a knight of ren when it wasn’t established in this timeframe
Wait. He force pulls a human body into a chokehold and then when a light is attached to his back, he loses the ability to use the force? And when the creatures attack him, he just uses his lightsaber? Haven't watched this but damn, that looks pretty dumb.
Being a Sith Lord and being a Sith apprentice aren’t mutually exclusive
I think 'Sith' or 'Sith Lord' or other terminology is getting tossed around colloquially as a short hand or placeholder until more details are revealed. Which is probably fine, especially if you're just chilling and watching the show. But I can see how it might get confusing if you're actually trying to pin him down with lore.
I can say this: they're just trying too hard to do an Alex Hirsch.
So basically, they created a Kyla Ren clone
He's a sith. He won't be under Tenebrous.
Vader was a sith lord, but still palpatine apprentice tho
He could still be an apprentice, and Leslie and Manny could absolutely be lying considering they've already done that multiple times. If they say "maybe he isnt a sith" in an interview that gives the reveal away that hes a Knight of Ren. These sorts of interviews need to be taken with a grain of salt because they are actively trying to lead fans away from reveals.
That makes no sense. The knights of ren didn’t exist yet during this time
@@dylanmart6007or Maybe the KoR were once the Knights of Qimir.
yesh Darth Maul and Darth Vader are both referred to as Sith Lords despite only being apprentices
It's not that I'm married to the Ren theory or the Sith one. I just feel there is too much chatter from SW officials during these shows. I would prefer if there was radio silence until the audience have watched the entire thing.
But of course they have to do the promo stuff before the show is done. Can't really win these days I think.
I miss the days when we could actually spend a bit of time wondering about what's next instead of getting things confirmed or debunked asap!
I would actually prefer if they flat out lied about plot points when talking to the press early on. They can always confirm or debunk stuff after we are done.
Darth tenebrous is cannon which could be his master before plagueis since we don't know when he started training
Why did they play kylo's theme though. That's what confuses me.
They're screwing with the audience. This show is full of bad faith.
@@kirkdarling4120lol ok, he has similar music and scarring to Ren (not Kylo) from the comics, there’s very possibly a connection there. Randomly assuming things are in bad faith when the show isn’t even over isn’t really a fair criticism
But is he a knight who says Ni?
"A path! A path!"
This is what is so frustrating about all these allegations of lore breaking. People are making up their own rules and they saying “Ah ha! Lore broken!” When it doesn’t match up. Has Tenebrus even been confirmed in canon? Has Venimus? I’m not saying they are crying lore break, but as everyone else here has pointed out, both Sith Master and Apprentice are Sith Lords so we still have no idea whether Qimir is master or apprentice.
Tenebrous is canon and the master of Plagueus ( a canon Muun ). His age, time period & species is not confirmed yet.
Why does everyone say “quimir” it’s Qimir like “Kim-mir” no u 😭
Why would anyone think this is a knights of ren…. Lmao this is a 100 years before episode 1 and the nights of ren don’t make an appearance till episode 9 lol
Darn I really thought he was Kylo Ren travelling back to the past
They are pulling hairs at this point
I mean his fight scene was badass tho
is it realy that surprising that modern disney doesnt give a fk about the story
Master and Apprentice are the 2 Sith Lords. The assassin's, acolytes, cultists (characters like Mae, Ventress, Savage Oppress, Pestage, etc) fall under the banner of the Sith, may pick up some teachings but they aren't on the level of Sith Lord, unless one of the Lords chooses them as an apprentice and kills the other Lord. So he can still be a Sith Lord as an apprentice
Both master and apprentice hold the title of Sith Lords in the rule of two. So if they called him a “Sith Lord”, it doesn’t mean he’s the master.
What if Plagueis is an Anzellan in Disney continuity?
Cute that people think anyone at Lucasfilms would care for continuity or consistency
Oh sure a Knight of Ren ... Over almost 130 or 140 Year before Kylo Ren turned evil ... sure
Well, it's confirmed, Anakin did blow up the DS.
Why would Tenebrous be unavoidable? Did they reintroduce him to the canon after James Luceno's Plagueis novel fell into the "Legends" classification?
He’s mentioned in a comic that’s canon
He's also the master of Plagueus (canon)
Question what are the knights of Ren? I only ever heard of it in the sequel and assumed it was started by kylo ren because his name. So I’m very confused on how he would be theorized to be a knight of ren if that group hasn’t been established yet.
Ren is a title. Kylo killed previous Ren and took his title alongside his group. And that Ren killed the leader before him and took his name. We don't know for how long knights of Ren exist, but it would make sense for Quimir to be the original Ren trying to establish his own group of dark siders.
@@osiolek1112I just looked it up and on the wookiepedia it say Knights of Ren was established in 3 ABY…so 3 years after the battle of Yavin but Acolyte is like 100 years before Ep.1 even happens.
Would be some terrible writing and yet I wouldn’t be surprised if this happens.
@FacePunchSammich Oh, I didn't know that. Disney is retconong their own stuff from comics and books all the time, though. So I would be surprised if somehow Acolyte turns up to be the most consistent d+ show, lol.
@@osiolek1112 dude the retcons are insane…can’t believe they tried to portray the Jedi as morally bad earlier on in Acolyte. They’ve gone off the deep end.
Yeah, Orginaly in a novel Ahsoka killed the 6th Brother. In Tales of the Jedi it's a new inquisitor. They do change their own canon all the time. Andor said he was never in prison in R1. In his own show he goes to prison.
I didn’t even think about the rule of 2… I’ve been complaining about Ki Adi so much 😂
Rule of 2 wasn't established yet.
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Tbf as well, count dooku was called a Sith Lord despite being an apprentice
Man, i miss star wars.