I like this idea. It implies that no matter how far Dooku might've fallen, destroying someone who Qui-Gon cherished was a bridge too far. And if you really want to stretch it, it potentially showcases one of the first examples of attachments helping keep someone in the light, rather than leading them to the dark side, much like how Luke's attachments to Han, Leia and so on would later.
Maybe Dooku still hadn’t let go of the idea of flipping Kenobi to his side for a 2 on 1 against Palpatine. He has that apprentice of my apprentice thing going on. In Attack of the Clones he went for wounding strikes on Kenobi, instead of a kill shot. Of course, if I were Dooku, I would have immediately pointed at Palps and shouted ‘He’s the Sith Lord’ and set up a 3 v 1. The rule of two doesn’t say anything about using Jedi to kill your Master!
Actually - it makes sense - sure he rag dolled him, but there's no assurance how long he stays down and wants to keep it a one on one fight - using the catwalk to try and pin him would at minimum buy him time, if not keep him pinned or injure him so he can't fight. However despite an animation error where Kenobi is clipped in to the cat walk - those struts are an important detail. They are what actually keeps the weight from slamming on to his legs and pulverizing him, only moving him as it slides along the floor and then pushes against him (where the clipping issue occurs) but the direction the force would be applied and general lack of resistance would mean he's sore, maybe bruised, but nothing that adrenaline couldn't basically shake off. I can see what he's going for - it just didn't translate as well in film, more so with age.
If I had to guess, it's emergency lighting. If external power is cut, the lights automatically switch to an internal battery and a low power mode, and it can't tell the difference between a ship-wide power failure or the power conduit being severed.
Yeah it’s like „hey guys, just a quick heads up. Ima dip out now and fall, so just to be safe ima let u know with the red lights that you clearly can’t see from the walkway so you’ll make sure to stay extra far away!“🤣
Palpatine wanted Obi-Wan dead, so he probably told Dooku to do that. Later, you can hear Palpatine telling Anakin to leave Obi-Wan. So, it’s not unneeded
@@vietnamd0820 Palpatine would’ve told Dooku to kill Palpatine. I doubt Dooku would’ve wanted to, but if he didn’t, Palpatine would question his loyalty
That's already covered, but there are too many people acting like the prequels - this movie in particular - are better than they actually are. Actually, Revenge is the only film in the trilogy that's actually as bad as people claimed that Menace and Attack were. It needs to be called out.
It's there to show the high ground on top of Obi-wan, setting up the end of the film, where the tables have turned, and Obi-wan is now on the high ground.
Disney canon will write a whole novel about the force vision Obi-Wan has while he's unconscious, detailing his feelings of anger and betrayal that the high ground would do this to him. As the high ground explains itself, Obi-Wan will learn that it was only preparing him for the moment that would change the fate of the galaxy.
If you look under the walkway there are transversal beams on each side of the section falling on Obi-Wan. It's those beams that make contact with the ground, not the walkway itself, creating a gap between the two. That's why Kenobi is safe and fine, the walkway didn't fall on him, it's just a bit hard to tell because the CGI blends perspectives.
1:14, Scenes like this kind of demonstrate that Star Wars characters are all mostly treated like superhumans (or in this case, the technical term would be “peak humans”) even when they don’t have Force powers or aren’t using them to augment their attributes. After all, it’s not just Kenobi having the durability and endurance to withstand this platform crushing against his body, but it’s also “normal” people demonstrating extraordinary attributes without being Force-sensitives, like the reflexes and dexterity Han displays with his shooting and piloting skills. In the real world, Dooku pinning that platform against Obi-Wan would’ve been to injure him, but here, it appears more intended to be Dooku, who is overwhelmed by being attacked by two opponents, frustratedly pinning down the “weaker” Force-sensitive using the advantage of his superior power and skill at using it, thinking he would be able to have an easier time handling Anakin, only for Anakin to overwhelm him by being stronger duelist (as in literally stronger).
No, if you take the time to look you can see transversal beams under the catwalk and it's those beams that make contact with the ground. So Obi-Wan didn't get the catwalk on him, there was a space between it and the ground. Then when it started to slide it just pushed him a bit.
So true, also can we please treat the ot and pt the same way we treat the st sometime? Picking on EVERY SINGLE detail, but oh no, if we did that than all the trilogies would be "bad".
The prequels was critized in the early's 2000's, that's why the next trilogy came so much later, the Disney was not the first one to screw with Star Wars.
I mean if you look at the way the thing falls, it's likely that Dooku was trying to crush Obi-Wan but couldn't quite manage to get the thing to land right. It ends up supporting itself and not putting its whole weight onto Obi-Wan. it's just an attack that misses, basically. Weird random shit like this happens in fights and I felt like it was pretty realistic and added a gritty brawl feeling to the scene.
Now you're just plain old nitpicking. Believe me, at least it felt right to the battle at hand, and it beats the campy humor we get nowadays since The Book of Boba Fett came along. Do admit that the novelization did the battle better though. Would love to fully adapt that RotS take in 2D animation someday.
The platform is not out of position before Dooku pushes it down, it extends outward from the wall and the rest of the surrounding catwalk. You can see the 90-degree curve. The camera angle makes it look like it's pointing down a bit, but it's merely extending *outwards.* But yes, this was always an odd moment, Dooku trying to pin Kenobi. I suspect it was never part of the original scene. Dooku probably just tossed Kenobi, he bounced off the railing or platform or maybe even the wall, but at some point later, Lucas was like, "Hmm, let's add a bit where Dooku Force-drops a platform on him. That'll be interesting." Because if you look at when Anakin rolls him over, it seems like the platform isn't there on set with the actors and they're not really acting with it. And yes, later on Obi-Wan isn't even so much as limping or rubbing his leg, because that bit was added after the actors shot the scene.
Tell me you don't star wars without telling me you don't know star wars. Palpatine had plans for Anakin and just wanted obi wan out of the way. That's why the fight went on for as long as it did.
If you’re wondering why his legs weren’t destroyed by that walkway, it’s because the separatists often cheaped out on walkways making them out of light metals that would make them equivalent to scaffolding in weight. It was either that or no railings
There's so many instances of this in these films; I guarantee George was changing ideas and what he wanted to do in the film, dozens of times. Another funny instance of this was the fast force speed they used in the beginning of the first film.
it's complex, but simply saying in my opinion, dooku is fond of kenobi because kenobi is dooku's grand student from quigonn. then, as the 2 siths want to get anakin becomes another sith, dooku actually tries to get anakin into the darkside mode to save his teacher. that's why in my opinion obi wan is left unharmed. actually dooku can kill both of them at the lift entrance platform, before kenobi is thrown away and pinned by falling platform. and with the metal support, if you see the luke lifting xwing fromnthe swamp or yoda and dooku force lift a giant pillar/shaft at the ending of eps 2, then dooku actually can easily move the metal platform without the help of the strut
My unpopular prequel opinion is that though the overall film is not remembered as fondly as ROTS, the visual effects in EP2 are actually executed significantly better than those in EP3.
I also had an issue with why Kenobi isn’t crippled but, and I could be wrong, but I seem to recall reading (maybe the novelisation) that Anakin used the Force to hold the walkway in place so it didn’t cripple him. I don't have the novel at hand to double check..sorry.
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Obviously he'd want to distract a powerful opponent by potentially harming his best friend even more It made complete sense for Dooku to do this as it could've given him a great distraction to use to his advantage. Sure maybe it didn't work out for him, but both the attempt and failure are things that would make sense in that fight Also it worked great for him against Yoda, why wouldn't he try it again?
A good rewrite would be Anakin and Kenobi getting separated on the ship and Anakin faces Dooku alone, with Palps watching. They could have been separated by a ray shield in the hall way (a Phantom Menace flashback for Kenobi) Anakin heads to Dooku while Kenobi takes the bridge. Anakin looks super strong while Kenobi doesn’t look like a chump.
It’s a bit goofy and the CGI hasn’t aged well, but I still love this fight scene. More perplexing is after Anakin cuts off Dooku’s hands and then grabs Dooku’s lightsaber. The direction Dooku’s lightsaber falls from makes zero sense.
The point he’s trying to make is that Kenobi’s legs practically should have been destroyed from the weight that balcony had, but he just gets up like it’s a Tuesday for him (which arguably it kinda is). The scene itself is fine, it’s just what comes after it that doesn’t make sense and make it kinda pointless
It’s about time somebody talks about this. This scene always kind of bothered me. Even as a kid I thought there’s no way Obi-Wan is getting up without limping all the way home or losing a leg.
There's a lot of random extra moments like this in the prequels for some reason. Like when obi-wan ignites his lightsaber just to throw and tracker on jango fett's ship then immediately deactivates it lol. I think they filmed a lot of live action shots that didn't make as much sense in post and they had to create new scenes to justify them
Agree, I have even felt weird about that in the cinema back in the days. This scene is kinda mirrors their previous fight, where they were almost crushed by a tower. This time the object goes down, but those little bars are luckily there
Dooku incapacitated Obi-Wan because he along with Anakin would be able to defeat him fast, they were VERY good at fighting together, so he had to use everything he had to get rid of one of them, he thought Obi-Wan was the most powerful so he chose him, but he was wrong of course. (This is from the novel, which is based on the script of the movie, so probably also what happens in the movie, but the novel is way better at everything specially dialogue)
But it does make sense. Dooku is obviously trying to kill him by dropping the walkway on top of him. But the walkway just so happened to be shaped in such a way where it didn't crush him. If Dooku just knocked him out, it wouldn't make any sense if he just left him there without attempting to kill him. You could say that Dooku could've killed Obi-Wan with his saber which is true, but then that would destroy the story George was trying to tell.
George got rather infamous for excessive CGi overlaying things that didn't need it. I mean look at the original trilogy cuts after george "touched them up" with CGi like a kid whose face & hands covered by icecream/chocolate trying to help with hanging up the laundry
Yeah, from a logical standpoint that should've crushed Obi-Wan. The only way it couldn't have is if Dooku dropped it in a way as to only trap him there non-lethally, which would be hard to do given the weight of the walkway. From a story standpoint, weird as it sounds I think that was Dooku's way of not killing Obi-Wan. Sidious pretty much ordered him to eliminate Kenobi to push Anakin to the dark side. but Dooku always wanted to convert Obi-Wan instead of Anakin, though I'm not sure Dooku would defy Sidious like that even with his sentimental streak for Qui-Gon's old apprentice. Regardless, I do agree that that was a silly way to go about it, I mean jedi are durable, but when all's said and done they're still squishy meatbags.
The whole point of this fight was to test Anakin and see if he was ready to take Dooku's place. For that to happen, Obi-Wan had to die or be in severe danger of death, so that Anakin would get mad and use his anger as energy. That's the explanation given in the book. Dooku is smart; he wouldn't have stopped right in the middle of a fight to do that unless he wanted Anakin to respond a certain way.
I don't think the walkway was out of place. It's not lined up on the right side because there's a corner there, and it starts to curve back to a narrower end. The whole bit was kinda pointless though.
He did so to explicitly show that the Force runs through its wielders even when they are unconscious. That walkway weighed several tons PLUS the weight of the Dark side. They spent hundreds of thousands of dollars to very meticulously show the metal pressing in on Obi'wan's thigh, but UNABLE to crush all the way through. It's kind of like how they inserted a sound effect into the first movie every time someone uses the Force; it's there to give the audience a subtle clue that something magical is happenning. That's why you can hear that sound being played as Luke's tauntaun is choking to death in the cold: Obi'wan killed the tauntaun so Luke could live. Learn to understand Hebrew storytelling and culture. It will help you understand Star Wars (and the bible come to think of it) MUCH better.
Lucas started getting goofy in Return of the Jedi, and it continued on in all three sequels. I loved Star Wars and the Empire Strikes Back, but to me the series lost its focus after that.
It was always the third film of the trilogy that was the really ridiculous one. Phantom and Attack feel so real and well thought out compared to Revenge, where it seemed like George just threw his hands up in the air and did whatever.
missed oportunity to introduce force healing maybe.. anakin could have healed obiwan like in the ROTS video game you could force heal yourself. there's even a fitting scene for this when palpatine tells anakin to leave obiwan there. would at least put some sense into this whole metal structure deal
Nevermind the fact that this entire room didn’t need to exist. It’s not a bridge. And it’s at the top of a long tower for some unknown reason. It’s just a vague parallel to the thrown room in ROTJ but that was built specifically for the emperor. It’s nonsensical to have a tower thrown room on a battleship for a political figure that you aren’t governed by
I read the novelization last month and this was one of the things I remembered and wanted to see how it was originally planned. In the book Dooku drop kicks obi-wan so hard he goes head first into the floor like a missile -dents the ground- and is just knocked out the rest of the time. There’s a part where debris or a table get tossed around and Anakin has to protect him, but mostly the kick does the job. When anakin finds him he just finds a bloody spot and concussion. Esoteric reference but the description of the kick is pretty brutal and the only comparison I could think of is Jet Li’s final kick at the end of Romeo Must Die. It’s partially shown in that movie’s trailer: both character’s do a long jump kick at each other but in the air Li uses his left foot to kick the other guy’s leg down, swinging the guy’s momentum downward, then with his right leg does a stomp on the top of the guy’s head with enough force to crack his neck.
CG doubles always look so funny when you pause like this, even in movies with otherwise stellar vfx. Sam Raimi’s Spiderman trilogy came out at about the same time and has some pretty funny shots of cgi humans too.
Yes, you think... But then you realise it's not that bad when you realise Disney's woke Stars Wars DEI hired characters can survive Lightsaber strikes through the chest.
Well in case he wakes up now he has to take an extra second to use the force or physically lift himself out. It makes perfect sense to me to try and thwart you opponents moves before they happen. Try out chess or checkers. It really makes you think about some shit This just happen to be an excellent ‘example’ of the force within the story and the artist ability to portray it
Man the amount of people going "He needed to make sure he wouldn't get up" really don't understand how movies work. Having him get knocked out is plenty in movie speak to take him out of the fight.
@@mahadiazad1331 The dude is literally Palpatine at this point with his judges giving him immunity and throwing out court cases of his criminality. I'm just hoping we get another Mace Windu to come along.
Because along with his few great creative ideas, he has a ton of idiotic ideas. But for the prequels, there was nobody to tell him "no". This is why the prequels were about 30% as good as they could have been.
I always thought that catwalk falling on him like that looked like it should have basically crushed his legs. I never understood why he was totally fine after that either. It never made sense to me.
If you ask me, palpatine ordered dooku to kill obi wan to anger anakin and bring him to the dark side but he had a lot of second thoughts about it so he came up with whatever that was
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Honestly if we go and find every single flaw star wars has, we'd all be losing our heads 😂
That's totally not what the Acolyte haters is doing to that show currently lol. They don't seem to be losing their heads... their minds though.
Or we'd all be RUclips grifters profiting off rage-bait.
@@Juel92 Big difference between a goofy non-essential 5-sec. clip in an otherwise great movie, vs the acolyte as a concept being a complete joke.
But more so with the Prequel Trilogy; if we counted every single flaw there, our sun would burn out before we got them all. 😂
@@HoodedSpideythis comment is hilarious
It demonstrates that Dooku spared Obi-Wan for personal reasons, and contrary to Sidious' orders. This is why Sidious shows irritation.
Yes, because Obi Wan was Dooku's grand-padawan (Padawan of Dooku's Padawan Qui Gon)
I like this idea. It implies that no matter how far Dooku might've fallen, destroying someone who Qui-Gon cherished was a bridge too far. And if you really want to stretch it, it potentially showcases one of the first examples of attachments helping keep someone in the light, rather than leading them to the dark side, much like how Luke's attachments to Han, Leia and so on would later.
It's also done primarily so Obi-Wan would've had no influence on Anakin when considering to execute dooku, the only influence was palpy
Obi-Wan takes legs and does not loose them. He used the Force to redirect the injuries to Maul and Anakin’s legs.
As the master of the high ground, he's immune to losing what keeps him on it, and expert at making others lose theirs
Truly a master of the force, he can redirect damage backwards and forwards through time and space
0:22 even Palpatine was thinking “WTH, I would have just killed him, not cripple him”
😂
Maybe Dooku still hadn’t let go of the idea of flipping Kenobi to his side for a 2 on 1 against Palpatine. He has that apprentice of my apprentice thing going on. In Attack of the Clones he went for wounding strikes on Kenobi, instead of a kill shot. Of course, if I were Dooku, I would have immediately pointed at Palps and shouted ‘He’s the Sith Lord’ and set up a 3 v 1. The rule of two doesn’t say anything about using Jedi to kill your Master!
Actually - it makes sense - sure he rag dolled him, but there's no assurance how long he stays down and wants to keep it a one on one fight - using the catwalk to try and pin him would at minimum buy him time, if not keep him pinned or injure him so he can't fight. However despite an animation error where Kenobi is clipped in to the cat walk - those struts are an important detail. They are what actually keeps the weight from slamming on to his legs and pulverizing him, only moving him as it slides along the floor and then pushes against him (where the clipping issue occurs) but the direction the force would be applied and general lack of resistance would mean he's sore, maybe bruised, but nothing that adrenaline couldn't basically shake off.
I can see what he's going for - it just didn't translate as well in film, more so with age.
The catwalk is the high ground but because obiwan is the master of the high ground, it cannot hurt him.
I also like how the fallen section's lights turn red to let people know that it has fallen.
If I had to guess, it's emergency lighting. If external power is cut, the lights automatically switch to an internal battery and a low power mode, and it can't tell the difference between a ship-wide power failure or the power conduit being severed.
Yeah it’s like „hey guys, just a quick heads up. Ima dip out now and fall, so just to be safe ima let u know with the red lights that you clearly can’t see from the walkway so you’ll make sure to stay extra far away!“🤣
Palpatine wanted Obi-Wan dead, so he probably told Dooku to do that. Later, you can hear Palpatine telling Anakin to leave Obi-Wan. So, it’s not unneeded
Kinda strange why Dooku didn’t immediately stab him after Obi was levitated tho
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Did Dooku want to kill Obi Wan? I’m thinking he probably wanted to kill Anakin but only get Obi Wan out of his way
@@vietnamd0820 Yeah good point, I don't think Dooku actually wanted to kill him, but it would appear pretty strange to Palps
@@vietnamd0820 Palpatine would’ve told Dooku to kill Palpatine. I doubt Dooku would’ve wanted to, but if he didn’t, Palpatine would question his loyalty
Dooku likes Obi-Wan. He doesn’t want to kill him.
The catwalk was the high ground, Obi-Wan couldn't move, so the catwalk had to come down to him instead so he could have the high ground.
George is just a silly guy
Same guy who created Jar Jar, one of the most hated Star Wars characters to date. So silly 🙄
@@ThunderBZaper shut up kid
@@ThunderBZaper he used to be hated, but most people have changed their minds by now.
@@archangelgaming8077 NO.
@The_Christian_Kirbo no hes definitely still hated. It's just that people hate other characters more these days
Show the same scrutiny to Acolyte please, will you?
That's already covered, but there are too many people acting like the prequels - this movie in particular - are better than they actually are. Actually, Revenge is the only film in the trilogy that's actually as bad as people claimed that Menace and Attack were. It needs to be called out.
Whataboutism.
He won’t he’s a Disney shill. This whole video is just cope honestly
It's there to show the high ground on top of Obi-wan, setting up the end of the film, where the tables have turned, and Obi-wan is now on the high ground.
Exactly, it's character-development: that's how ol Ben cracked the high-ground code.
Disney canon will write a whole novel about the force vision Obi-Wan has while he's unconscious, detailing his feelings of anger and betrayal that the high ground would do this to him. As the high ground explains itself, Obi-Wan will learn that it was only preparing him for the moment that would change the fate of the galaxy.
Even though its goofy. Still fun watching the fights in episode 3.
If you look under the walkway there are transversal beams on each side of the section falling on Obi-Wan. It's those beams that make contact with the ground, not the walkway itself, creating a gap between the two. That's why Kenobi is safe and fine, the walkway didn't fall on him, it's just a bit hard to tell because the CGI blends perspectives.
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I remember seeing this in theaters and thinking to myself "how did that not sever his torso?"
Star Wars is science fiction
maybe george wanted to show how durable jedi at that power level can be
1:14, Scenes like this kind of demonstrate that Star Wars characters are all mostly treated like superhumans (or in this case, the technical term would be “peak humans”) even when they don’t have Force powers or aren’t using them to augment their attributes.
After all, it’s not just Kenobi having the durability and endurance to withstand this platform crushing against his body, but it’s also “normal” people demonstrating extraordinary attributes without being Force-sensitives, like the reflexes and dexterity Han displays with his shooting and piloting skills.
In the real world, Dooku pinning that platform against Obi-Wan would’ve been to injure him, but here, it appears more intended to be Dooku, who is overwhelmed by being attacked by two opponents, frustratedly pinning down the “weaker” Force-sensitive using the advantage of his superior power and skill at using it, thinking he would be able to have an easier time handling Anakin, only for Anakin to overwhelm him by being stronger duelist (as in literally stronger).
No, if you take the time to look you can see transversal beams under the catwalk and it's those beams that make contact with the ground. So Obi-Wan didn't get the catwalk on him, there was a space between it and the ground. Then when it started to slide it just pushed him a bit.
It's funny, because if Disney released this today people would rip it apart and say that Disney was ruining Star Wars 🤣
So true, also can we please treat the ot and pt the same way we treat the st sometime? Picking on EVERY SINGLE detail, but oh no, if we did that than all the trilogies would be "bad".
@@MrRUclipsAndWatch I’m constantly thinking about this whenever I watch episodes 1-6 and the clone wars
@@DesignedAssassinPerhaps, but even so the Sequel Trilogy was terrible.
Also Obi-Wan was a great Jedi master with greater pain tolerance.
@@andreababcock2622Pain tolarence can't hold broken bones together
The prequels was critized in the early's 2000's, that's why the next trilogy came so much later, the Disney was not the first one to screw with Star Wars.
You’re right. Handrails are ridiculous
I mean if you look at the way the thing falls, it's likely that Dooku was trying to crush Obi-Wan but couldn't quite manage to get the thing to land right. It ends up supporting itself and not putting its whole weight onto Obi-Wan. it's just an attack that misses, basically. Weird random shit like this happens in fights and I felt like it was pretty realistic and added a gritty brawl feeling to the scene.
Now you're just plain old nitpicking. Believe me, at least it felt right to the battle at hand, and it beats the campy humor we get nowadays since The Book of Boba Fett came along.
Do admit that the novelization did the battle better though. Would love to fully adapt that RotS take in 2D animation someday.
This is the same nitpicking done on every new project. However I’m not saying ROTS is nearly as bad as those, ROTS is excellent overall
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The platform is not out of position before Dooku pushes it down, it extends outward from the wall and the rest of the surrounding catwalk. You can see the 90-degree curve. The camera angle makes it look like it's pointing down a bit, but it's merely extending *outwards.*
But yes, this was always an odd moment, Dooku trying to pin Kenobi. I suspect it was never part of the original scene. Dooku probably just tossed Kenobi, he bounced off the railing or platform or maybe even the wall, but at some point later, Lucas was like, "Hmm, let's add a bit where Dooku Force-drops a platform on him. That'll be interesting." Because if you look at when Anakin rolls him over, it seems like the platform isn't there on set with the actors and they're not really acting with it. And yes, later on Obi-Wan isn't even so much as limping or rubbing his leg, because that bit was added after the actors shot the scene.
It ensures that Obi doesnt stop the fight midway, force push a leg in a daze or something, and you cant throw someone out a window on a spaceship
When all else fails... just say, 'Obi Wan was protected by the Force...'
Also, if he can just toss people around like that, why didn't he do the same to Anakin? There's no counter move to something like that.
Tell me you don't star wars without telling me you don't know star wars. Palpatine had plans for Anakin and just wanted obi wan out of the way. That's why the fight went on for as long as it did.
Dooku never wanted to kill kenobi
Because George is some genius, it must mean something poetry or something deeper. Since Prequels are godsend and stuff.
If you’re wondering why his legs weren’t destroyed by that walkway, it’s because the separatists often cheaped out on walkways making them out of light metals that would make them equivalent to scaffolding in weight. It was either that or no railings
That sounds like some serious cope
My, oh my, how close we got to Kenobi the the Crippled.
I could imagine a form 3 lightsaber duelist in a wheelchair.
There's so many instances of this in these films; I guarantee George was changing ideas and what he wanted to do in the film, dozens of times. Another funny instance of this was the fast force speed they used in the beginning of the first film.
This is the exact moment obi wan figured out how to beat anakin after literal higher ground fell on him.
He wanted to have him pinned in case he woke up obviously? Why is this a big deal?
Because it looks like Obi Wan's legs were pulverised
I mean, nevermind the clearly visible gaps in the walkway, this fight was great
it's complex, but simply saying in my opinion, dooku is fond of kenobi because kenobi is dooku's grand student from quigonn. then, as the 2 siths want to get anakin becomes another sith, dooku actually tries to get anakin into the darkside mode to save his teacher. that's why in my opinion obi wan is left unharmed. actually dooku can kill both of them at the lift entrance platform, before kenobi is thrown away and pinned by falling platform.
and with the metal support, if you see the luke lifting xwing fromnthe swamp or yoda and dooku force lift a giant pillar/shaft at the ending of eps 2, then dooku actually can easily move the metal platform without the help of the strut
There's a groove in the under of the walkway that makes it so obi is not crushed
That would have left him disabled but its a movie. So yeah, miracle he still walks.
I think Dooku was tasked on trying to anger Anakin give in to the dark side. You can see looks they give at each other.
Obi wan probably mitigated injuries reflexively
The high ground had to strike back at some point
My unpopular prequel opinion is that though the overall film is not remembered as fondly as ROTS, the visual effects in EP2 are actually executed significantly better than those in EP3.
I also had an issue with why Kenobi isn’t crippled but, and I could be wrong, but I seem to recall reading (maybe the novelisation) that Anakin used the Force to hold the walkway in place so it didn’t cripple him. I don't have the novel at hand to double check..sorry.
Answer : George Lucas is an Eastern Style Storyteller In a Western Storytellers Medium
As Long as You Understand the Point He Doesn't Care about the Details and That's Actually Kinda Refreshing.
It'd Be Like Plato trying to Tell the Allegory of The Cave and The Listeners complaining about the Details of The Story instead of the Point
*Plato : "there was once a Cave"*
*Cave Allegory Fan : "Cave or Crevace?"*
*Plato : "it was a Mighty Limestone Cave*
*Cave Allegory Legends Fan : "Limestone isn't native to this area it should be Granite"*
*Plato :* 😐
The Point is More Important Than The Perspective.
As an Indie Writer Director among much else I Hate Writing but I Still Have to Do it
As someone who enjoys improvising and has a VFX Skillset & Background I also put a lot of "They Fight" because it's Like Painting.
Did Bob Ross Sit there In Terror Contemplating Every Brush Stroke?
I doubt George Would Even Key Out the Green Screen if He Thought You'd Know what planet they are On.
Slightly Hyperbolic Joke Aside The Very Thing So Many Complain About is The Very Reason He Has a Sci Fi Franchise and You Probably Don't...
If You're An Artist Stop Overthinking Art and Jus Go Do It
If You're a Fan Stop Overthinking Fandom and Remember why you are a Fan of whatever it is
If it's not what it was when you became a fan it's okay to let go.
There are Infinite Stories
I think what a lot of people think is "x or Y franchise burnout" is actually their own desire to bring their own dreams to reality.
Go Do It as Someone who Published a Game that Made 8k on Commerical VR Hardware off of only 3 months work and Not even a Highschool Diploma Your Success was Never In Anyone Else's Hands But Your Own
Whatever You Do Do It For You,
George Did... 😉
Obviously he'd want to distract a powerful opponent by potentially harming his best friend even more
It made complete sense for Dooku to do this as it could've given him a great distraction to use to his advantage. Sure maybe it didn't work out for him, but both the attempt and failure are things that would make sense in that fight
Also it worked great for him against Yoda, why wouldn't he try it again?
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*catwalk instantly falls*
that walkway had a railing thus not fitting into star wars anyhow
A good rewrite would be Anakin and Kenobi getting separated on the ship and Anakin faces Dooku alone, with Palps watching. They could have been separated by a ray shield in the hall way (a Phantom Menace flashback for Kenobi) Anakin heads to Dooku while Kenobi takes the bridge. Anakin looks super strong while Kenobi doesn’t look like a chump.
No one talking about the OSHA handrail on the CIS ship. If it was an Imperial ship Obi Wan would have just landed on catwalk.
It’s a bit goofy and the CGI hasn’t aged well, but I still love this fight scene.
More perplexing is after Anakin cuts off Dooku’s hands and then grabs Dooku’s lightsaber. The direction Dooku’s lightsaber falls from makes zero sense.
So it's an issue because Dooku wanted further assurance that Obi-Wan would not interfere in the fight?!
Like what's so hard to understand about that?
Yeah, I don't get either why he makes a big deal out of this scene lol Nothing wrong with it :/
100% agreed
It also had something to do with Dooku not wanting to kill Obi-Wan and still giving him the chance to join the Sith.
The only weird thing is that Obi-Wan isn’t paralyzed
The point he’s trying to make is that Kenobi’s legs practically should have been destroyed from the weight that balcony had, but he just gets up like it’s a Tuesday for him (which arguably it kinda is). The scene itself is fine, it’s just what comes after it that doesn’t make sense and make it kinda pointless
"Do you wanna buy some death sticks?". What?
Thank you, have always wondered about the walkway-crushing since I first saw it.
It’s about time somebody talks about this. This scene always kind of bothered me. Even as a kid I thought there’s no way Obi-Wan is getting up without limping all the way home or losing a leg.
There's a lot of random extra moments like this in the prequels for some reason. Like when obi-wan ignites his lightsaber just to throw and tracker on jango fett's ship then immediately deactivates it lol. I think they filmed a lot of live action shots that didn't make as much sense in post and they had to create new scenes to justify them
The music in the background is giving me strong Stellaris vibes.
Agree, I have even felt weird about that in the cinema back in the days. This scene is kinda mirrors their previous fight, where they were almost crushed by a tower. This time the object goes down, but those little bars are luckily there
@TheTrueStarWarsFan-xp6zj Scifi equals pew pew and spaceships, not a steal bridge that does not crush anyone under.
Dooku incapacitated Obi-Wan because he along with Anakin would be able to defeat him fast, they were VERY good at fighting together, so he had to use everything he had to get rid of one of them, he thought Obi-Wan was the most powerful so he chose him, but he was wrong of course. (This is from the novel, which is based on the script of the movie, so probably also what happens in the movie, but the novel is way better at everything specially dialogue)
But it does make sense. Dooku is obviously trying to kill him by dropping the walkway on top of him.
But the walkway just so happened to be shaped in such a way where it didn't crush him.
If Dooku just knocked him out, it wouldn't make any sense if he just left him there without attempting to kill him.
You could say that Dooku could've killed Obi-Wan with his saber which is true, but then that would destroy the story George was trying to tell.
The music from Stellaris is an automated win!
George got rather infamous for excessive CGi overlaying things that didn't need it.
I mean look at the original trilogy cuts after george "touched them up" with CGi like a kid whose face & hands covered by icecream/chocolate trying to help with hanging up the laundry
Yeah, from a logical standpoint that should've crushed Obi-Wan. The only way it couldn't have is if Dooku dropped it in a way as to only trap him there non-lethally, which would be hard to do given the weight of the walkway. From a story standpoint, weird as it sounds I think that was Dooku's way of not killing Obi-Wan. Sidious pretty much ordered him to eliminate Kenobi to push Anakin to the dark side. but Dooku always wanted to convert Obi-Wan instead of Anakin, though I'm not sure Dooku would defy Sidious like that even with his sentimental streak for Qui-Gon's old apprentice. Regardless, I do agree that that was a silly way to go about it, I mean jedi are durable, but when all's said and done they're still squishy meatbags.
People forget how cartoonishly goofy and over the top Star Wars is.
Big pro-wrestling vibes. Dooku tosses Obi-Wan out of the ring and the Spanish announce table falls on his legs.
The whole point of this fight was to test Anakin and see if he was ready to take Dooku's place. For that to happen, Obi-Wan had to die or be in severe danger of death, so that Anakin would get mad and use his anger as energy. That's the explanation given in the book. Dooku is smart; he wouldn't have stopped right in the middle of a fight to do that unless he wanted Anakin to respond a certain way.
I had to scroll a long time to get here
what even are these "fans" today?
Even seeing this in the theater as a kid I was thrown off by his neck staying stiff when he slides on the floor
The amount of scrutiny these movies get over the mundane is sad…
his pelvis woulda been crushed
Well there are a lot of goofy scenes cut from the opening of episode III. We all have seen the deleted scenes.
For a Sith overlord, it's all about taking away that sweet sweet high ground. Even if it doesn't make sense.
I don't think the walkway was out of place. It's not lined up on the right side because there's a corner there, and it starts to curve back to a narrower end.
The whole bit was kinda pointless though.
He shouldn’t be walking?? Dooku pulled it down hoping for that. But the struts underneath prevented him from being crushed. It’s not that hard to see.
He did so to explicitly show that the Force runs through its wielders even when they are unconscious. That walkway weighed several tons PLUS the weight of the Dark side. They spent hundreds of thousands of dollars to very meticulously show the metal pressing in on Obi'wan's thigh, but UNABLE to crush all the way through.
It's kind of like how they inserted a sound effect into the first movie every time someone uses the Force; it's there to give the audience a subtle clue that something magical is happenning. That's why you can hear that sound being played as Luke's tauntaun is choking to death in the cold: Obi'wan killed the tauntaun so Luke could live.
Learn to understand Hebrew storytelling and culture. It will help you understand Star Wars (and the bible come to think of it) MUCH better.
They should go back and remaster the CGI in all these movies
Lucas started getting goofy in Return of the Jedi, and it continued on in all three sequels.
I loved Star Wars and the Empire Strikes Back, but to me the series lost its focus after that.
It was always the third film of the trilogy that was the really ridiculous one. Phantom and Attack feel so real and well thought out compared to Revenge, where it seemed like George just threw his hands up in the air and did whatever.
Dooku tried to use the high group on Obiwan. It was not super effective.
This is one of those small things I always chuckle at
I don't remember it like this? And i remember a lot more Battle droids and super battle droids in this room
Unless there was a dropped storyarc about obiwan having a broken hip that one summer, yeah the scene confused me forever
missed oportunity to introduce force healing maybe.. anakin could have healed obiwan like in the ROTS video game you could force heal yourself. there's even a fitting scene for this when palpatine tells anakin to leave obiwan there. would at least put some sense into this whole metal structure deal
Nevermind the fact that this entire room didn’t need to exist. It’s not a bridge. And it’s at the top of a long tower for some unknown reason. It’s just a vague parallel to the thrown room in ROTJ but that was built specifically for the emperor. It’s nonsensical to have a tower thrown room on a battleship for a political figure that you aren’t governed by
I read the novelization last month and this was one of the things I remembered and wanted to see how it was originally planned. In the book Dooku drop kicks obi-wan so hard he goes head first into the floor like a missile -dents the ground- and is just knocked out the rest of the time. There’s a part where debris or a table get tossed around and Anakin has to protect him, but mostly the kick does the job. When anakin finds him he just finds a bloody spot and concussion.
Esoteric reference but the description of the kick is pretty brutal and the only comparison I could think of is Jet Li’s final kick at the end of Romeo Must Die. It’s partially shown in that movie’s trailer: both character’s do a long jump kick at each other but in the air Li uses his left foot to kick the other guy’s leg down, swinging the guy’s momentum downward, then with his right leg does a stomp on the top of the guy’s head with enough force to crack his neck.
I've always wondered this whenever I watch this scene. Glad someone pointed it out.
CG doubles always look so funny when you pause like this, even in movies with otherwise stellar vfx. Sam Raimi’s Spiderman trilogy came out at about the same time and has some pretty funny shots of cgi humans too.
Like when Peter was running across the roof tops
Peter and the metal poles, his face badly cgi'd out of the top of the suit
Yes, you think... But then you realise it's not that bad when you realise Disney's woke Stars Wars DEI hired characters can survive Lightsaber strikes through the chest.
Well in case he wakes up now he has to take an extra second to use the force or physically lift himself out. It makes perfect sense to me to try and thwart you opponents moves before they happen. Try out chess or checkers. It really makes you think about some shit
This just happen to be an excellent ‘example’ of the force within the story and the artist ability to portray it
Man the amount of people going "He needed to make sure he wouldn't get up" really don't understand how movies work. Having him get knocked out is plenty in movie speak to take him out of the fight.
Coming back unexpectedly after being knocked down in a fight is a movie classic
@@DeJake Yeah it's unexpected because it has been pre-established that the character is out.
@@DeJake But getting knocked out in a movie doesn't mean, "this person will absolutely come back."
Because the avionics in Star Wars makes sense...
Anyone here after the chaos that happened
The trump thing?
Yup
I only opened RUclips to watch the chaos that unfolded & then saw this video pop up lmao
trump - the attempt on my life has left me scarred and deformed
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The dude is literally Palpatine at this point with his judges giving him immunity and throwing out court cases of his criminality. I'm just hoping we get another Mace Windu to come along.
Darth Maul got chorped in half and apparently got better. Maybe Obi-Wan was so chill that the force forcified his legs okie dokie.
LMAOOO I THINK ABOUT THIS SCENE ALL THE TIME SINCE I WAS A KID
Because along with his few great creative ideas, he has a ton of idiotic ideas. But for the prequels, there was nobody to tell him "no". This is why the prequels were about 30% as good as they could have been.
This never changes regardless of who or what is in the 'scene'
I always thought that catwalk falling on him like that looked like it should have basically crushed his legs. I never understood why he was totally fine after that either. It never made sense to me.
The whole reason it fell, is to show Palpatine wanting to leave him for dead.
weird criticism but wtv lol
ayo, Stellaris music.
If you ask me, palpatine ordered dooku to kill obi wan to anger anakin and bring him to the dark side but he had a lot of second thoughts about it so he came up with whatever that was
Cause dooku wanted to squish obiWan legs
Oh hey I recognise that music that’s playing in the background, that took me back
Force Plot Armor
To trap him? He might be knocked out but for how long?