Some people rice them up and make it shit, also i could say that the west who hate hondas, they only do straights and oval tracks. Hondas are made to tackle tight corners and turns. They're are praised with their cornering speed in Asia especially in Japan.
FlamerzZz ; I don't care what anyone else thinks about Hondas. I love Hondas that's why I have two of them three if I count the one that's sitting in the yard without a motor and transmission
I just recently learned about Jordan Cox and that fella can drive!! The couple of races I have watched him in he brakes late and dives in hard on those corners. Fantastic driving by Jordan and Jason
It is already hard enough to try and out brake an FF honda, with a skilled driver behind the wheel it's damn near impossible. They're just too good and braking and cornering bc they're so light.
good defense and offense by both racers. even if the s14 would of taken the attack on the inside, the civic would of have the advantage on the 2nd and 3rd cornering giving jordan the inside. Very tough battle and hard to pass. Brilliant work guys.
You just have to get used to a drift style driving to drive these. I'm pretty sure Hendy may have been drifting too, in order to predict wheelspin to correct it without compromising current speed in a race like this.
@@OozoraKazuki an s14 thats set up for drifting (extended steering lock, camber, suspension setup, locked diff etc..) handles very different to the way a stock (or race) s14 handles. While S chassis's make decent drift cars, they are just as terrible to drift stock as anything else.
For those who want to know, the 200sx has a SR20VE non turbo engine making 220 whp. And from what I heard the Civic has a B20 v-tec making around 280hp crank, but i can’t verify that.
Correct. Cox made sure the rev limiter was reset, so he could keep the RPMs always up and therefore allow the four pounder to permanently take advantage of the valve timing (VTEC). Obviously he invested more into racing clutch and a very high strength transmission. Looking at the circuit and it's hills, semi racing flywheel is good enough, otherwise racing ultra lightweight flywheel could cause a loss in power delivery up those hills.
LD's Garage most series where the different cars might have different displacements of engine have various multipliers for turbocharging or diesel or rotaries and australian improved production is no exception. these rules have resulted in some interesting things like the Daihatsu Storia X4 which has a 713cc turbocharged engine made to compete in a 1.0 litre competition
@@GokuTheHusky last time I checked a civic built into a racecar by it's owner is much cheaper than a high end factory built racecar like a McLaren 650s GT3
Goes to show how close the battle is on a race course between a Civic and a 200sx. Much different to the stop light and public street hero anecdotes we have been flooded with over the years.
The blue Nissan understeers at 12:09 and loses too much ground to make the pass on the strait just before the finish line. The Nissan looked to have made the pass just before the finish line the lap prior and could have had a chance if he didn't have that one mistake. Awesome racing!
rubber rocket if RWD was inferior, I promise you F1 (or most professional motorsports) wouldn't use it. I'm guessing you were sarcastic but just in case...
So, basically if you can keep it on three wheels in the turns and brake waay later than everyone else, you can't be passed. This fella can drive. VTEC Yo!!!!
At first I was like "The Nissan has no power to overtake" nope.. That's not what's happening here.. The dude on the Civic is a fucking guardian of his mirrors..
trial and Error well, if it's a 300-400hp build, then the all motor K Series: the throttle response on those cars is insane...and the sound, it's very, very loud. If it's a +400 hp build I would go with the boosted B18, you can make more than 1000hp with that engine.
Does anyone know if that red Civic #111 has been modified with a rear wheel drive setup? I have seen footage of this car where I could swear the rear tire is PUSHING during a slide going through the corners in another video I watched recently.
I want to see an NA awd K24 vs. Turbo AWD K20 vs. Turbo fwd k20 vs. Turbo fwd K24 vs. Ect... Compair all K configurations in an EG hatchback to see what comes out on top on this track.
Whatever the Honda hate is/was, there is no denying that most of the hate is not and should not be due to the Honda's performance or potential. Honda hating over the years (especially against these generation of time proven properly engineered bullet proof 80's and 90's Honda) seems to be more subjective and emotionally driven rather than outright based on anything solid.
The Nissan stuck within striking distance , not easy to do when someone is in front of you , they obviously outran the entire field battling each other(which normally slows both drivers down), I would like to see if J.C. could have made the pass had the tables been turned. Amazing drivers 100 %.
LBCvalenz562 you know nothing bout honda. They're manufactured to tackle corners. NOT POWER at the engine bay. People talk much more about late braking, light weighted, cornering speed and balance of the car in asia than the western world tho.
eg hatch has more control, easier on corners, light, all around better than ep3 except for power, but power on this type of racing motor power it's not so much important 250-300hp it's more than enough, you need braking skills, suspension setup, tires, weight distribution, body specification, EG hatch far superior than EP3 for this type of racing.
Becusse the Honda is lighter and its FWD. The only way a RWD car can beat a FWD car in corners is if the FWD car isnt properly tuned and setup with the right suspension, tires, and wheels size. I know this from personal experience when I was on a sweeping left curve on the highway in my 4th gen Prelude on Tien Advanced Basis Z coilovers, and Federal 595 RS-R tires chasing a Dodge Charger R/T at 75+ mph. The Charger nearly lost control because it lost stability in mid corner because all of that power was going to the rear, but the entire time I was planted without a twitch in the world and pulled right up on his bumper as he was regaining control. I could've easily took that corner and held it at 85+ mph. My car wasnt even at 80% of its cornering ability, but I backed off because I didn't want him to lose total control at 75+ mph in traffic. So I'm a huge fan of properly tuned FWD cars because they are actually more stable and faster in the corners than RWD cars. With the right setup on a FWD car, understeer is virtually eliminated. The FWD stigma only holds weight when ur talking about a factory RWD vs a factory FWD car in the same class, but once the FWD is tuned and modified, all bets are off. Even against a Tuned and modified RWD car because at the end of the day a tuned RWD car will never be able to tackle a corner harder than a Tuned FWD front wheel car, because RWD cars will spin out or loose stability which in turn will cause them to loose speed in and out of the corner.
@@austenhyslop4457 we had plenty of space, and racing on the track can be just as dangerous. Many racing greats have died on the race track, but I see what you're saying tho lol
Then stop watching F1 and watch more of this!! Plenty more of videos of these cars battling across our channel. Some of the 2020 races were just brilliant :)
Motor sports at it's finest. Better competition than f1 and less repetitious than NASCAR.
Frederas11811 , better than f1, so is dagging sheep.
Nascar is a joke.
@@neonnerd1364 turn left till you die 😂 thats not racing
I’d still watch F1. Just because
@@footballcomp5yearsago347 there's alot more to oval racing than just turn left
I still can't figure out why people hate on Hondas
Because people rice them out.
Cause they are hard to beat
Some people rice them up and make it shit, also i could say that the west who hate hondas, they only do straights and oval tracks. Hondas are made to tackle tight corners and turns. They're are praised with their cornering speed in Asia especially in Japan.
FlamerzZz ; I don't care what anyone else thinks about Hondas. I love Hondas that's why I have two of them three if I count the one that's sitting in the yard without a motor and transmission
Errol Morris I had 2 I recently sold my 2000 and man do I miss her she was really reliable and quick on corners she was more fun than my 12 si
I just recently learned about Jordan Cox and that fella can drive!! The couple of races I have watched him in he brakes late and dives in hard on those corners. Fantastic driving by Jordan and Jason
Who else thought every single lap, at the end of the straight the Nissan has got the Honda? But no. Every single lap.
It is already hard enough to try and out brake an FF honda, with a skilled driver behind the wheel it's damn near impossible. They're just too good and braking and cornering bc they're so light.
@@elibutler6482 and the fwd helps it just take off and not oversteer out of the corners
Yep, right when the Nissan passed him he had to brake and the Honda still had a 100 feet left before he needed to brake.
VTEC BRO
A 200sx that isn't built to drift?! I must be dreaming!
NemisisDL oh please not all people wanted to drift with a RWD car. Sometimes they want to grip.
Not this one kid
180sx.... NO YOURE NOT SLEEPING
Pretty sure an s13 held the time attack record around here for a while too. Taking turn one pretty much flat. Fuckin unreal.
Yoshiku Lee its a 200sx in European trim
Awesome clean racing. Faultless by both drivers.
good defense and offense by both racers. even if the s14 would of taken the attack on the inside, the civic would of have the advantage on the 2nd and 3rd cornering giving jordan the inside. Very tough battle and hard to pass. Brilliant work guys.
Two things surprised me, the mechanical grip of the Silvia and the straight line of the EG. Fantastic to see home-grown racers.
that 200sx is good. to be able to handle RWD extremely well in fighting the battle.
You just have to get used to a drift style driving to drive these. I'm pretty sure Hendy may have been drifting too, in order to predict wheelspin to correct it without compromising current speed in a race like this.
@@OozoraKazuki an s14 thats set up for drifting (extended steering lock, camber, suspension setup, locked diff etc..) handles very different to the way a stock (or race) s14 handles. While S chassis's make decent drift cars, they are just as terrible to drift stock as anything else.
This is true motosport mindset.. and always try be winner great driver red & blue.
👏👏👏 to both for absolutely awesome car control.
Jason, if you ever read this, that was a truly classy drive.
A gentleman of the sport 👌
Red v blue, Honda v Nissan, FWD v RW, Superman v Batman
Honestly one of the best races I’ve seen.
For those who want to know, the 200sx has a SR20VE non turbo engine making 220 whp. And from what I heard the Civic has a B20 v-tec making around 280hp crank, but i can’t verify that.
It's not got 280
no n/a b20v has 280 crank
this dude is a legend, but ofc its also that awesome civic :P
Correct.
Cox made sure the rev limiter was reset, so he could keep the RPMs always up and therefore allow the four pounder to permanently take advantage of the valve timing (VTEC).
Obviously he invested more into racing clutch and a very high strength transmission.
Looking at the circuit and it's hills, semi racing flywheel is good enough, otherwise racing ultra lightweight flywheel could cause a loss in power delivery up those hills.
@@OozoraKazuki Apparently he also had a stage 5 computer for this race too, would have helped tremendously !
What a battle..
Beautiful driving, old school sounding cars!!!
Brilliant racing! This is the pinnacle of *motorsport!*
Great clean racing pleasure to watch
So fun to watch. 10:20 could be an educational video on clean yet competitive racing.
Jordan "VTec" Cox just kicked in yo ...
:)
That S14 must have some crazy power for an N/A SR20.
Is it n/a? I didn't know that.
LD's Garage If it's running in the same class it has to be. A turbocharger would multiply the displacement into an over 2 litre category
@@CaroFDoom wow, must be making some power then. So anything factory turbo charged under 2.0 is multiplied when a turbo is added?
LD's Garage most series where the different cars might have different displacements of engine have various multipliers for turbocharging or diesel or rotaries and australian improved production is no exception. these rules have resulted in some interesting things like the Daihatsu Storia X4 which has a 713cc turbocharged engine made to compete in a 1.0 litre competition
@@CaroFDoom thanks for the insite mate. Thinking of getting involved in this category but had my wires crossed on the technicalities
I just watched this civic vs celica video and I'm freakin attached to this cool civic, I own a sedan but one day I'll get a hatch.
Amazing how equally matched those two cars are considering FF and FR and NA and Turbo. Great racing!
That Nissan is also na.
@@mrnicktoyou thanks dude, SR20DE, VE?
@@1982daverogers VE, apparently
Standard eg chassis is a masterpiece like most hondas...even the jazz chassis is awesome 👏
Well done to both drivers. Just goes to show you can race door to door and not hit one another, yet make for a great race...
Epic, epic, epic, what a drive of both of these guys.
These are the races I've been looking for. Races with cars obtainable by purest.
These are obtainable? Last time I check people want 10k for their shitty nissans and hondas.
@@GokuTheHusky last time I checked a civic built into a racecar by it's owner is much cheaper than a high end factory built racecar like a McLaren 650s GT3
That is some good fricking racing. When's the last time you saw that for so long in F1
It is some of our favourite racing that's for sure!
Goes to show how close the battle is on a race course between a Civic and a 200sx. Much different to the stop light and public street hero anecdotes we have been flooded with over the years.
Had me glued to the screen! What a race! Great driving!
Some good race. Civic.. Silva. Really two different machine's altogether glued to one an other very good
Hondas will always be a dark horse. 4 bangers baby!!!!!!
The blue Nissan understeers at 12:09 and loses too much ground to make the pass on the strait just before the finish line. The Nissan looked to have made the pass just before the finish line the lap prior and could have had a chance if he didn't have that one mistake. Awesome racing!
hehehe
Saying rwd is in inferior is like saying an autistic kid is superior if he is good at math.
rubber rocket if RWD was inferior, I promise you F1 (or most professional motorsports) wouldn't use it. I'm guessing you were sarcastic but just in case...
rubber rocket that 200sx is heavyer than civic too
apex128 but "muh honda such cornering machine"
Guy prolly owns beat up riced out civic and talks about vtec 24/7
The Nissan wins out on the straights, but that Civic doesn't have to break until ages after the Nissan does. Great driving.
Props to both drivers n there cars.
So, basically if you can keep it on three wheels in the turns and brake waay later than everyone else, you can't be passed. This fella can drive. VTEC Yo!!!!
Dude that red rocket man!!!!! Put some respek on Honda power!!!!
At first I was like "The Nissan has no power to overtake" nope.. That's not what's happening here.. The dude on the Civic is a fucking guardian of his mirrors..
What are the specs for the civic?
Good racing all round.
Jason needed to send it through turn 1. Easier to say than do, but that’s what was needed.
Nice!!! Awesome racing right there!
Fantastic Pedaling (especially you two out front!. ) !, and thru the field,
Superb video production!
Man that was one hell of a battle.
I know there is 600 HP civics, 700 HP civics, but Jordan and his Honda are the fastest on the earth
now Honda fans I have a question. What would you rather a boosted b18 Honda Civic? Are a all motor K24 Honda Civic?
RespectFreeSpeech GiveMeMuhFreedom : true. But I will say when you're pushing your car engine to the Limit. Things tend to break a lot.
trial and Error well, if it's a 300-400hp build, then the all motor K Series: the throttle response on those cars is insane...and the sound, it's very, very loud.
If it's a +400 hp build I would go with the boosted B18, you can make more than 1000hp with that engine.
You know what you don't see a lot nowadays a turbo D series
this is a na b18
SI RICKO no he runs a b20 with b18 head
These are the Races they should have on TV with sponsors
FWD vs RWD
All these little weed whacker cars...
That red Honda seems to do well from what I've seen around RUclips. Great driving from these guys!
What engine these hondas use , b series?
Yeah Jordan's is a bseries but stroked to 2.0ltr.should of just used a k20a
Does anyone know if that red Civic #111 has been modified with a rear wheel drive setup? I have seen footage of this car where I could swear the rear tire is PUSHING during a slide going through the corners in another video I watched recently.
Whats all done to his car
Kenta Nakamura vs Shingo Shoji battle there.
aye :D
oh no a weeaboo
Garrett Luluquisin oh no an insecure loser
Deo Favente lol agree
Garrett Luluquisin bro when you grow up you'll realize not all anime is trash.
Great ‘exit speed’ on behalf of Jordan Cox; just comes to show it’s all about power to weight ratio.
Driving capability doesn’t have anything to do with it then?
@Blackmanz Productions - It totally is. Like ‘Maverick’ says: “it’s not about the plane; it about the pilot”👍🏼
I want to see an NA awd K24 vs. Turbo AWD K20 vs. Turbo fwd k20 vs. Turbo fwd K24 vs. Ect... Compair all K configurations in an EG hatchback to see what comes out on top on this track.
That would be pretty cool to see!
Awesome race!
how many times can i like this?
Hopefully many many many times ;)
Lol listen to all the honda puttering around thats awesome we should start a honda civic hatchback exclusive race Id be there
what a battle. Is the 200sx turbo or NA?
Whatever the Honda hate is/was, there is no denying that most of the hate is not and should not be due to the Honda's performance or potential.
Honda hating over the years (especially against these generation of time proven properly engineered bullet proof 80's and 90's Honda) seems to be more subjective and emotionally driven rather than outright based on anything solid.
Jordan is the man! Perfect eg6
C O O L V I B R A T I O N S
How is a Na 200 sx keeping up with a two liter Honda,I need to check-out the rule book
Trevor Thomas it’s a 180sx which has a turbo
@@NatedoggZombies this S14 does not have a turbo. Both cars are na.
The Nissan stuck within striking distance , not easy to do when someone is in front of you , they obviously outran the entire field battling each other(which normally slows both drivers down), I would like to see if J.C. could have made the pass had the tables been turned. Amazing drivers 100 %.
All of a sudden there are a fuck ton more civics in these races... Idiots don't realize it isn't the car, it's the driver.
LBCvalenz562 what don't tell me u don't know? That the H gives u a extra 100 HP! Don't get me started on the O.
LBCvalenz562 you know nothing bout honda. They're manufactured to tackle corners. NOT POWER at the engine bay. People talk much more about late braking, light weighted, cornering speed and balance of the car in asia than the western world tho.
they are definitely not balanced 50/50 but they better not be as they're FF layout..... But you're right about everything else.
hahaha exactley what i was thinking its the pair balls hes got to push the limits with minor errors
+Jay E pair of
thats racing
I'm here for my daily dosage of top shelf racing.
That's awesome, and so great to hear! We're stoked you're enjoying the racing.
Jordan cox should drive the ep3 . I recon he will smash em all. However hats off to him n his red beast
eg hatch has more control, easier on corners, light, all around better than ep3 except for power, but power on this type of racing motor power it's not so much important 250-300hp it's more than enough, you need braking skills, suspension setup, tires, weight distribution, body specification, EG hatch far superior than EP3 for this type of racing.
ep3 is bad choice, horrible suspension geometry.
Ep3 is shit lol
the advantage of ep3 is just has a beautiful body
THE EG DRIVER..IS VERY GOOD RACING DRIVER EIGHT THUMBS UP
Хонда есть хонда!! Да еще сивик!! ЕГ Любимый кузов, на к20а шикарно едет и слива не может обогнать, хотя и задний привод..
What series is this I like to watch more of it
This is the NSW Improved Production Championship Championship. Heaps of IPRA races across the channel if you want to watch more.
Wait they have 2 liters of fuel or what?
Awesome Jordan Cox
能被後驅車這樣追還能領先！真的很強！技術很重要！路線也是！Honda真強！
one more video to turn down civic hater's
Great dice guys...
Americans that diss Civics need to watch this... cause they’re muscle cars are shit compared this
I am interested where that Gemini placed
How is the civic out turning the rwd s14? I thought it would understeer at the limit.
sneakernomics cus Honda mate, don’t ever underestimate a Honda
Becusse the Honda is lighter and its FWD. The only way a RWD car can beat a FWD car in corners is if the FWD car isnt properly tuned and setup with the right suspension, tires, and wheels size. I know this from personal experience when I was on a sweeping left curve on the highway in my 4th gen Prelude on Tien Advanced Basis Z coilovers, and Federal 595 RS-R tires chasing a Dodge Charger R/T at 75+ mph.
The Charger nearly lost control because it lost stability in mid corner because all of that power was going to the rear, but the entire time I was planted without a twitch in the world and pulled right up on his bumper as he was regaining control.
I could've easily took that corner and held it at 85+ mph. My car wasnt even at 80% of its cornering ability, but I backed off because I didn't want him to lose total control at 75+ mph in traffic. So I'm a huge fan of properly tuned FWD cars because they are actually more stable and faster in the corners than RWD cars.
With the right setup on a FWD car, understeer is virtually eliminated. The FWD stigma only holds weight when ur talking about a factory RWD vs a factory FWD car in the same class, but once the FWD is tuned and modified, all bets are off.
Even against a Tuned and modified RWD car because at the end of the day a tuned RWD car will never be able to tackle a corner harder than a Tuned FWD front wheel car, because RWD cars will spin out or loose stability which in turn will cause them to loose speed in and out of the corner.
@@austenhyslop4457 we had plenty of space, and racing on the track can be just as dangerous. Many racing greats have died on the race track, but I see what you're saying tho lol
The S14 is doing well considering it has 50hp less and is NA, the SR just has more torque.
Why am I watching F1 when watching a pack of 25-year-old japanese economy cars is more interesting
Then stop watching F1 and watch more of this!! Plenty more of videos of these cars battling across our channel. Some of the 2020 races were just brilliant :)
@@BlendLineTV You know what, I think I will. Keep it up bro!
1:00 oh yes honey to my ears
when pole position matters
They left all the other cars like 2 laps behind
1:01 the only exception when I'm glad to hear that mosquitoes are nearby
This Civic Sounds Like An Aeroplane
The power of dreams!
absolute lad!
I’m a Nissan boy myself but no one can get a nose in on Jordan Cox.
What is the engine, K20,B18, LS vtec ?
Sorry for the late reply. iirc it's a b20 vtec. B16 head I think
fantastic！
what are the class limits here?
under 2l so 1900cc ?
skankhunt42 not 1.8 i think
theoratically he could also use a K20 engine with 2 litre (1998 ccm)
rusha right!
anyone knows the cc? some say 1.8 others 2.0
skankhunt42 lol
PedRo Ferreira it's a 2.0 liter B Series I think...
Someone drafting on you following your exact line the whole race must suck.
What motor setup is cox running in that car?
B20 with either b18 or b16 head. Sum like that
Great racing!
That s14 wants to dance sooo bad
BEAST MODE
Hmmmmm..... I should buy a Civic
Great Race Car Driver 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥