Williams' Weird BANANA FLIPPER Idea They Tried on Time Warp, Disco Fever - Pinball Machine Repair
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LOL! Nice reference Ron! Address the ball.... HELLO BALL!! :D
One of the funniest things ever on tv and they did it in like the third year of tv lol
@@LyonsArcade I was blessed with good parents, I'm 42 so the Honeymooners was WAY before my time however I watched all kinds of classic tv as a child :) Also Ron, do you have an email I can contact you at? I have some (for you) very basic but wordy pinball questions for minor issues I am having with my machine. Would love to pick your brain a bit and get some info if that is ok? :) Love this vids as always and daily ones are the best xmas gift ever!!
@@Rep2369 yes our website is www.LyonsArcade.com our email address is on there
@@LyonsArcade You are the man Ron, thanks so much. Do you answer all the emails yourself or does Joey as well? I suppose I can be safe and address it to both of you :D TY again sir!
Count me in the 2%. 😉
I played Disco Fever today! WHEW, Banana Flippers are WAY DIFFERENT! No wonder Ron reacted the way he did when he first started playing it. You’re right about the backhand shots you get with the different flippers.
Be careful now, you might enjoy it... then think what a weirdo people would think you are :)
I like your Art Carney (Ed Norton) thing with the pen. One of many things that drove Ralph Kramdon crazy.
What a great man Ralph was!
LOL when you moved the camera to adjust the volume. I got as dizzy as Donnie did getting off the roller coaster in Dollywood. I would love to play that pinball game. Born in 1964 I should of had the chance to play Time Warp, just don't remember it.
Where you lived maybe the operator wouldn't buy the banana flippers so none of the locations the operator had got this game :)
I was about 9 or 10 when our operator brought a Time Warp to the bowling lanes my parents owned. I remember being fascinated by those flippers and thought they were really fun to play. But as I hazily recall, the machine wasn't all that popular and the operator changed it out with another game after a short stay. Never saw the other Banana Flipper game but I have always wanted to play Time Warp again. Thanks for filming this one.
Thanks for watching! It didn't catch on so most people probably didn't like it, or only kids did, or something or the other. Maybe the operators didn't like them....
Wow! What a game! Nice repair! I’ve actually found a location with Time Warp AND Dance Fever! Looking forward to enjoy playing them as much as you did.
Those early electronic Williams pinball rectifiers NEVER EVER fail. My step father has been in the business since the late 70's, he still has a Time warp, Laserball Firepower, Tri Zone, Contact and Disco fever, all have been on location for over 2 decades and he still plays them regularly and sends them out on Party hires. All these pinballs still have the original rectifiers.
I enjoyed this trip back in time …. but mostly I’m just so glad you sorted out your notepad. You cleaned it, wiped it, moved it so it was perfectly straight, and then admired it. …perfect.
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Very funny. … an I was just thinking “I guess Ronnie’s a bit on the spectrum” ….
I’m always straightening books, pens and other stuff so …?
@@LyonsArcade I KNEW I recognized that from somewhere. Thanks, it was driving me crazy.
Use to love watching the Honeymooners at Grandmas house. Jackie was one of the greatest.
Great job. Thanks Ronnie!
Thanks for watching Miguel!
Cool. Thanks for the game play demo. I was curious how the curved flippers would influence the shots.
You can feel it when you play it, it's hard to describe. The angle is a little different but the bounce is different, it's like the ball is spinning....
Awesome game with unique flippers!👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Thank you for watching Erwin!
What a cool game! Thanks for the upload Joe and Ron! The curved action on the flippers reminds me of watching a Haj-Alai game. Lol
The first one was supposed to be based on that game, but they thought nobody would know what it was so they changed it to Disco Fever, LOL
@@LyonsArcade completely plausible. Banana flippers, Disco era banana hammock... makes sense. Lol
I was just looking online to find the name of this machine because I played it in the early 80s. And here it is. Thank you!!!!
Been following some videos on this channel. Today I subscribed!
Your feelings are so true, right on the spot. People should appreciate more the art and craftsmanship of this beautiful Pinball historic pieces.
Nothing is perfect, and people definitely aren't. And there is nothing wrong with trying new ideas, ever evolving.
Enjoy Pinball,
Cheers from Portugal 🇵🇹
Thank you for watching Ricardo! Merry Christmas!
Fun! I like this era in pinball.. lots of wacky unlicensed titles.
I love the backhanding potential in that thing, pretty cool
Thanks Ronnie, for working and fixing my father's Time Warp. He loves playing it all the time. He loves the spin of the ball when it comes off the banana flippers, it takes a game or two to figure the spin out. He did change those batteries in it. Thanks Ronnie for filming so he could see what all you did on it. Thanks Frank
No problem Frank, it was a pleasure to work on such a fine game. Your video is tomorrow!
@@LyonsArcade I hope you get a lot of views. I know I will be watching. Thanks Ronnie
I heard that honeymooners refrance HELLO BALL I also saw you doing the hand movements. Well played sir.
The banana flippers parts are essential to the charm of this game. Must keep those flippers. :D
Preach brother.
@@LyonsArcade Even the back glass comes with an original banana flipper... ;)
I like it! The Banana flippers are cool.
I like them
Thank you for doing these one video a day runs Ron.
Thanks for watching Chris!
What a great game. Speed and flow and action. I’m thinking you should make some extra banana flippers and try them on various other games and see how they play. Thanks for the video
I'll second the suggestion.
I got the joke right away. Well played.
Thank you for watching Radio Valkyrie Records!
I got Honeymooners gag in the beginning with the list 😂😂
You were raised right!
We have both Time Warp and Disco at the Arcade- und Flippermuseum Seligenstadt Germany.
I think the same background sound is on Electra and Ali pins. love it! How about a Christmas themed pinball machine Ron. There has to be one from Spain.:)
We don't have a Christmas Themed pin but we're goin' big for Christmas
Awesome machine. I never played the banana flippers but it did look a lot more fun than I imagined. Good point on keeping machines as originally designed.
It kind of puts english on the ball, makes it bounce different at the other end, very weird. Thanks for watching Kent!
Agreed on the keeping it original
Growing up near Boston's infamous "combat zone" and after my bicycle accident, Banana Flippers were the only thing in town that looked like me and were a role model for me. Every other flipper game was straight as an arrow.
Dielectric grease is an insulator
Die Hard is a Christmas movie
One more thing... if you notice on the backglass, Michaelangelo's "David (1501)" is staring intently at daVinci's "Vitruvian Man (1490)" in a certain spot. The statue of David is known for "having a lot of guts" as well.
I'm guessing this was intentional
Such an awesome game! I'm lucky enough to have played both games Williams made with banana flippers. It changes the whole dynamic of the way the game plays. For me it seemed to make it more about rolling shots than the point and shoot style of traditional flippers.
Banana Fritters and Moaning Lisa??..As Arte Johnson used to say dressed as a German Soldier...veeeeery interesting 😉🇩🇪
Thank you for watching Naytch!
@@LyonsArcade Thank you for another great Pinball video 📹
Enjoying these. Has anyone noticed the the chips on that top board are Motorola brand and the logo looks like the Williams logo upside down?
The Motorola logo came first.
Wow, your just pumping the videos out.
One a day!
@@LyonsArcade I love December!!
My friend found one of these dead, but intact in an auto repair shop 1995. he bought for $100. brought it to my shop and we fixed it up. He still has it to this day and its a go to machine when in his game room. In true Time Warp fashion, First ball - straight down the hole! 😀 While fixing his machine, i found the top right pop bumper had never worked from factory. It was wired to the wrong output. The no back ground sound was known to happen sometimes, and happened every time on a no score ball returned to play.
Thank you D for confirming the sound issue. I have seen a few things in pinball machines where I thought "That never worked!", if the operator didn't catch it it might have crippled the whole game... depending on where it went, like if it ended up at the beach or something, hell the operator might never hear about it not working and then when it didn't make much money, he might pull it off route and not be much of a player so not notice the issue again and it stays that way the wholllllllle time until you or I figure it out :)
Haha Love the notepad tease... :)
Another great video... Thanks! I kind of like the banana flippers. Besides the backhand, I think they throw the ball a lot harder, because they act with the same physics as playing Jai Alai.
Great Art Carney or Norton gag!
You were raised right!
@@LyonsArcade thanks…I pride myself on knowing useless trivia…lol
Thanks for the videos, enjoy your comments. Have a wonderful holiday season!
I always loved the banana flippers. The ONLY acceptable reason to replace them was when the rubber covers for them were unavailable for a while many years ago. Time Warp is one of my favorite Williams pinball machines from that era. VERY fun game to play!
Yeah I think for awhile it was hard to get the parts, makes sense.
There are some settings for sound in that model that allow it to be minimal or maximum combination. I worked on one here last year. Fun game!
I played this game and Disco Fever in my local arcade when they were new. Yep, I’m old as dirt!😂
Hey you and the games are still here so you can't be TOO old :)
I watched the first video a couple days ago .. then a friend of mine sends me a pic of two machines he just picked up. One of them is this exact game! How's that for a coincidence. I of course referred him to the channel. Nice work :) (thanks for posting the link to the Honeymooners - I wanted to know the joke)
Nice Art Carney thing you got going on there with the notepad
I got the Norton reference even before you addressed the ball. For those who hate banana flippers, you can make them red, and they'll be jalapeno flippers for extra spicy game play!
Paint the bottom with a stripe of white, with a stripe of brown, but leave the top yellow, for a banana split flipper. The haters can then chill out!
Great video !!!
I remember Disco Fever machines breaking constantly.................those flippers. I guess the ones on Time Warp don't move together. Eventually regular flippers appeared on the Disco Fever machines. I didn't bother playing any more after trying it.
you know how you said there were only two with banana flippers. in 81 a Williams Flash from my local arcade went away for repair. When it came back someone had swapped out the flippers into banana flippers! We hated it, no-one would play it more than once so after a month of it sitting getting no play the owner sent it back to the repair company to replace the flippers back to normal. When it came back everyone started playing it again. that tells you what we thought of them at the time
wooowwww almost forget about the banana flippers
How could you forget? :)
You are no 'Chef of the future'!
hahaha
Joe, the spy glass doesn't search your channel only. It searches ALL of RUclips.
It's only different if you are logged into your RUclips channel. That's why you are getting different results than everyone else.
The solution to this is create Playlist so people can go to your Playlist section and see everything organized.
That's not true.
Click on any channel. On the right of the channel (not the top) there is a spyglass, to search just that channel. It's not that complicated.
Also I have tons of playlists. You apparently can't find the search icon, or the playlists, I'm not sure there is a solution that you would be happy with because the two solutions that already exist you're unable to use.
@@LyonsArcade that doesn't work on mobile. Your solution unfortunately only works on desktop. Playlists or links in the description are helpful for mobile.
This one looks very neat. The curved flippers seemed to put a spin on the ball. (that's what the phrase "put english on the ball" means btw, for those that don't know).
Thanks for watching Ziero!
You must address the ball ha ha
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I have both of the machines. The banana flippers make things feel so different. People hate them because they are used to straight flippers and can't adapt. It is the same reason that they do not like Orbitor 1.
People hate things that are different, hardcore pinball players are very weird, it's this "ooh ooh hit the ball" mentality, and they try to act like it's a sophistication. I never get the same stuff from Arcade game players, much more laid back. It's a very strange phenomenon, I can't completely figure it out but it has something to do with the simplicity of hitting the ball. Thank you for watching Jeff!
@@LyonsArcade I have over 50 machines in my collection now including both banana flipper games as well as Orbitor 1. If the Pinball Circus machines had ever been made I would have one of those as well. I think too many of today's "players" are too caught up in what is cool at the moment and most of them do not own machines. True collectors love the quirky machines and the history not just what is new and cool.
Got it....Art Carney from the Honeymooners. You need Joe to play Jackie Gleason.....
Hey Ron
I realy like these videos, and i would love doing the work you do! You once told me you had one of the mario pinball machines, is that still true? I never see the video on it... I hope you and joe will have a good Christmas!
The Idaho Pinball Museum has Disco Fever (Williams, 1978, I believe). I love those flippers and wish Williams had used them in more games. And I'm thinking that if I ever get an old Williams pinball machine that doesn't have them, I could always add them, right? Think Black Knight with banana flippers!
(And since I mentioned the place, I hope a plug is ok. Anyone who loves pinball who visits the Boise, ID, area should definitely check out the Idaho Pinball Museum. A small donation at the door gets you inside, and the machines are set to free play. Machines available to play date back to the 60s, but also include a number of modern titles. Limited hours, so look them up online.)
I don't think I'd like flippers like that but I'd have to try it if I ever saw one of these
They are a blast to play. They take a little bit of getting used to, but once you get the feel of them, catching the ball is easier, and you have more control while the ball is caught.
Right flipper is a hair high on this one. Sticks up ever so slightly so when the ball goes down the inlane it hops up a hair.
"Let's do the Time Warp, again!"
Sorry -- someone had to say it!
No Rocky Horror showings in North Carolina, Joe?
They used to have them all the time in Charlotte back in the 90's but I don't know if they still do...
The background sounds switches off on Time warp if the outhole switch is closed twice and thus double kicks before scoring.
Fun game. I’m not in the 2% and that’s not cool. 😂 thanks for filming it.
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I see you enjoy AvE also. I had a laugh at the little "hello ball" reference to him.
I love how the online experts like to spout off about things they know nothing about. You are absolutely correct that you need to use a silicon based dielectric grease on those sliding contacts. When you use some contact cleaners they leave a dielectric lubrication film on the contacts too, and it is specifically designed for the purpose of cleaning contacts. They should go and search it. As per a particular encylopedia, starting with b.
dielectric, insulating material or a very poor conductor of electric current. When dielectrics are placed in an electric field, practically no current flows in them because, unlike metals, they have no loosely bound, or free, electrons that may drift through the material. Instead, electric polarization occurs.
Okay, rant over now
hahaha I knew you'd back me up :) Thank you for watching Brendan!
Agreed. Ron's explanation, however, is excellent on its own and spot on for why and how it works. "hello ball" is from the honeymooners
A friend of mine owned a Disco Fever years ago. I wasn't a big fan of the banana flippers.
Seems like a lacrosse shot with the flippers
The background sound issue is a known code bug.
Thank you sir
Sounds like there’s an AC hum mixed in the background sound.
Is that a banana on your playfield or are you just glad to play it? 🍌
Boooiiiiinngggg
The temperature (light CCT) of the filament usually dictates how long the bulbs will work, if the bulbs are underdriven then it has longer lifetime. Usually when the transformer output is shorted it doesn't blow the mains fuse (something I learned when I was a teenager) until the transformer itself is cooked to death so fuse at the wrong side of the rectifier is a mistake worth fixing._
Seems like yall boys been doing this a while. Over time does the grease you use get gummy? Does it draw dirt and turn into valve lapping compound?
Have you tried synthetic oil for shafts and the like instead of 3 in 1 or singer oil?
Hey Ron!!
The problem with putting grease on the drop targets is it attracts dirt. In six months you’ll have to take them out and clean them again. Try NMP sensors. No horseshoes, no sliders, nothing to get dirty, nothing to wear out, nothing to adjust. Put them in once and never mess with them again.
No thank you
Really cool, never played banana flippers. Now I want one and it's all your fault.
Ed "Ron" Norton..
Some of that stuff is the foundation of good Comedy
Do they use AC for the bulbs?
The people who put rubbers to cover the outlanes are the same ones who use cheat codes on console video games.
Yup, and they're probably the type that read movie reviews so somebody can tell them whether to have fun or not!
Yep. I wanna play a banana flipper game.
I went looking for the Super Lube at my local Home Depot. They don't carry it in store, at least at my location. *sigh* (And I needed it right away, so I went with another brand.)
Hi Joe, can i ask you something?, do the fuses for the bridge rectifiers have to be 4 or 8 Ampers? because the Pinball that I have is connected to 220 Volts.
thanks for your videos.
Still 8amps because this is in the secondary, the primary would be different
@@LyonsArcade thank you
A 3AA plastic battery holder is .60 on Digikey Why not remote it off the board where it won't ruin a rare board. Used to do this in the 80's when I worked on these every day.
I figured I'd leave it so you'd have something to complain about
He does that on a number of machines. But it adds to the cost for the customer (the part AND the labor). He said he would leave it up to the customer.
Does anyone know why SCR burn up lamp bulbs wear out the life span of the lamp bulbs compared to using FETs to turn on/off lamp bulbs extends the life span of the lamp bulbs?
I doubt it has anything to do with the type of transistor. Bulbs will last longer if run at a lower voltage and if they are not turned on and off suddenly. Perhaps the Williams runs a tiny bit of current through the filaments when the bulbs are not lit which will reduce the thermal shock.
I had a question. When you clean the contacts, do you try to use isopropanol alcohol first? A lot of computer gurus use IA to clean. Have you tried it and has it worked for you? I don't remember you saying anything about IA as a cleaner and if you don't use it, can you give a reason why you don't use it?
Having worked in the electronics manufacturing field, I can tell you (or those reading) that 91% isopropyl alcohol is used to clean electronics during manufacture. (There are some things it shouldn't be used on, such as some printing, of course.) I don't see any reason why it couldn't be used to clean contacts in a pinball machine. Contacts where the parts slide (like in the video) would still need the dielectric grease applied afterward.
Can I buy that notepad somewhere?
Any idea as to why the biff bars are not symmetrical and so off center on this game?
Not sure, they're usually off center a little bit, but these are more so. My theory would be, the flippers add more english on the ball, and theoretically if it still had considerable english on it after bouncing back past the flipper, it might bounce off the apron in a weird angle so they moved the bars to block it better than usual...
"If you change the game, you're not playing it"
...20 minutes later, left outlane has sucked up nearly every ball, tilt is hyperstrict, and perspectives are revisited.
@Joe's Classic Video Games
Restored deleted comment: "Joe's Classic Video Games replied: "I didn't say if you change the game you're not playing it. Guys like you are the worst part of youtube, go watch somebody else's videos "buck"""
Joe. People. I love your videos and meant only to participate in the banter. Heck. I even bought one of your shirts today. I am a fellow electronics tech, and I understand that communications can be the least-fun part of the job (for me, anyway), and I'm still going to watch your videos, and probably comment, because I like the people. I mean, come on!
The reason I’ve never really been into pinball is because of how hard they are to find in the wild! I still see the odd arcade game out there, and most of the good ones have Atari or NES ports, but I’ve only ever seen _one_ pinball in person. I’d love to play more but they’re nowhere! I know there’s games like pinball fx3 that simulate a few tables, but _c’mon people!_
I don't know where you are in the world, but truck stops, bars, bowling alleys, and the occasional pinball museum are where I find pinball to play.
@@TheRealScooterGuy Any bar my family goes to has Golden Tee or something. Our local bowling alley is also video games only. The only place I know of near me with a table is, surprisingly enough, a used record store with an Elton John themed game. Pretty fitting and very fun.
The biggest issue I see with this pinball is that there isnt alot to do... targets on the left and right side and one ramp on the right and thats it... very little to game on.
You missed a lot of the stuff to do
It's true that many of the 1960s-era machines had a lot more open area in the middle (than today's games), but this game has a decent amount of things to do.
Yodelayheehoo
Yodelay hee hoo lil Everette!
Who Me ????????😇
I hated curved flippers I could not aim, could never get a good score
The link to your store and Parts is broken.
Works for me you have an ad blocker blocking the ads
@@LyonsArcade -- Confirmed. Everything works for me, until I turn on ad blocker.