This shouldn't even be a debate. Doffy couldn't even bare G4 punches. Katakuri can which puts his durability above Doffy. Katakuri also has better armament & advanced observation.
@@Relatable685 sometimes you gotta let the slow kids ride with their imagination. that very same doffy was crying to magellan to protect him incase the world government sent assassins to silence him 😆
I find it hilarious cuz Doflamingo could easily escape in Shiki's fashion and quite literally fix his legs. And only thing Doflamingo misses to equal or beat Cracker/Jack is improving his haki.
I feel like the fight goes relatively evenly despite Katakuri having better feats just because Odas fights are usually vibe checks. Crocodile vs Akainu for example
I love your videos and your explanations keep up the good work zage. Honestly I wanted to ask you could you do a video on Queen versus Udon prison Luffy?
I've always found it weird that Paramecia devil fruit awakenings are able to affect the enviorment and not Logia awakenings, since Logia fruits usually represent natural elements. Stil sticking to my guns that a Logia awakening is what Enel did with his big Amaru form. I can't think of anything else that could be a Logia awakening.
@@Con.D.Oriano-w4y Ace also changed the climate of Drum Island temporarily by just visiting it. And I doubt he was awakened. Akainu and Aokiji changing Punk Hazard permanently is probably what Ace did to Drum Island, but because they fought all out for 10 days it stayed that way since they went all out with their powers.
dont forget katakuri also has a rifle which he can use armament coated mochi bullets. he used this against luffy, he can use it against doffy combined with his future sight for accurate shots. i would like to see katakuri spar with nika luffy, also in the final war give us all the first commanders , zoro, king, katakuri , marco, benbeckman teaming up together
hey zage do you Believe Doflamingo will come back even much more powerful and stronger. Who knows, maybe joining Blackbeard because he's got nowhere else to go. And besides, he would even face off against Charlotte Katakuri. And be more powerful and stronger than even him
I personally think that when inevitablely he leaves Impel Down he will be stronger than how he was b4 and have a bounty over 1 billion Berries since all the former warlords do. As for whose crew he joins I guess it'll whoever breaks him out of Impel Down unless he breaks out himself
Luffy challneged Big Mom on fishman island. That was before Dressrosa. On Wholecake he clasjed with Linlin before Katakuri. I know what you meant, but its not what you said.
Katakuri wasn’t berserk in that moment and I did think of that counter to the Birdcage but I thought if Sabo (a logia user) probably couldn’t go through it then neither could Katakuri.
@@zagessj nah he would have Been Leader of Tobiroppo He is not 3rd commander lvl He might be somewhat relative to 3rd commander in certain aspects But he is Not flat out relative Im giving Doflamingo the benefit of the doubt too His haki is strong but not much better than any if the tobiroppo He is superior in df as he awakened it And has sone good time with it About 15 minutes in awakening Maybe he can go double the time for 30 minutes But that is still not crazy His speed is above average His haki is average I think leader of the Tobiroppo is generous And just where he is He is closest to 3rd commander lvl But he is lacking something that keeps him from there Cracker has better speed Stronger haki (can easily get through g4 armament haki) Much stronger offence and defence with his df (despite being in theory a weaker fruit) Also awakened his biscuit fruit And capable of fighting for 11 hours using his awakening on and off Jack Capable of fighting 2 people relative to commander lvl (one on one) Capable of fighting for 5 days Capable of tanking many big hits Doflamingo can maybe match a Quarter of what these 3rd commanders are capable of And you want to put him against Katakuri???? Who Way stronger than cracker I don't think doflamingo beats Perospero Perospero has Better Feats He has Similar maybe better control over his df His offence and Defence is higher as He took on Dogstorm And Literally portrayed to be on jacks lvl a 3rd commander Anyway you all give Doflamingo To much hype My final statement is Doflamingo is kinda relative to 3rd commander He can fight one But will not beat one The difficulty is Mid Even after he gets out of impel down (somehow people think being Chained down and spending time in prison gives you a buff when we know it can Weaken you)
queen dont stand a chance against jimbei unless he uses some kind of virus in battle, all jimbei power shots cause both internal and external damage, his armament haki is also on another level, it might be comparable to katakuri power mochi. whos who hands were coated in armement and all his fingers got broken, jimbei even broke whos who wrists with his shark grip, whos who is an ancient zoan and zoans are known for durability as far as wano goes katakuri vs king will be interesting, because king aint gonna touch katakuri unless he disables his flame, katakuri future sight also uses less energy than king lunarian flame, ultimately katakuri is gonna wear king down and beat him
@@warcrabcyber9908even with his flames off he won’t be able to land any hits on Kata! Since it took snake man + future sight together to barely land a hit on a fatigued Katakuri who severely injured himself!
This is utter facts. Doffy struggled with a base luffy while katakuri was so strong he forced luffy to level up in every way possible future sight and his base armament haki bloomed.
Doflamingo fought Law AND Strawhat. Clashed w/ Adm.Fujitora + Sanji ... fought G4 TWICE. He is above Commander Cracker and Smoothie. About top commander
He was getting stomped by Gear4 Luffy. Law sure did some damage, but that doesn't change a fact, that even with awakening, Doflamingo could only stall Luffy. Luffy with recovered Haki only for one attack, overwhelmed Doflamingo who fixed damage that Law done earlier when he used Gamma Knife. Sanji at Dressrosa Saga wasn't even Commander level. Cracker managed to fight better against Luffy than Doflamingo did. Sure he was Injured and used some of power for birdcage, but that doesn't change the fact, that Luffy was blitzing and stomping him. Doflamingo basically did nothing against G4 other than taking his hits. In terms of Durability and Endurance Doflamingo was impressive. But that's all. Cracker unlike Doflamingo, had way to not let Luffy just wreck him. If Nami wouldn't be there, he could win that fight.
Ok now explain if g4 was steonger than doflamingo( nerfed doflamingo) then why didnt he finished doffy but needed the help of all dressrosa?dofy >g4 yes he wins bz luffy wasn't able to finish him and even when luffy used g4 again doflamingo wasn't afraid at all and he let luffy to charge that attack. Luffy won bz of plot not bz he was stronger. Yes katakuri >doflamingo mid diff
Doflamingo eventually managed to fix damage that Law done with Gamma Knife. And still, he got overpowered by Luffy who just recovered enough haki to USE it. There is no way it was his full power. Other than that, Doflamingo couldn't react and overpower Gear4 Luffy who also wasn't in ''fresh'' state. Doflamingo was using his power for birdcage and fixing himself, but there is no proof that if he would focus mainly on Luffy he would be able to do more than just taking hits and stalling Luffy with awakening. In fact, birdcage was his probably best bet to win whole battle. He wouldn't be able to take on Gear 4 Luffy in fair battle, so he just wanted to win by time limit. In terms of overall Power, Dressrosa G4 Luffy was superior than Doflamingo. He was able to overpower and outspeed him whole time. So, yea. In 1v1 you could argue that Doflamingo could somehow stretch and win the battle by stalling all the time (Unless Luffy would just go with King Kong Gun straight at him. I don't see how Doflamingo would handle that and then more stuff) But power-wise, G4 Luffy would overpower Doflamingo, every single time.
@@kfc-employee1380 well he didnt it was just a temporary fix the damage was already done . Let me give you a easy example. Lets saay you brake your leg with the time the leg will heal but the damage is already done or no? Why do you say overpowered doffy? Yes luffy got stronger and he had stronger haki but all his attacks where not crucial doflamingo was only losing some blood. Even tho luffy got stronger and faster he still couldn't keep up with doflamingos awakening. yes luffy was not fresh but the damage of doflamingo was way higher and also dont forget the birdcage which 100% is draining doflamingo ( even tho its not stated if you use your df ofcourse it uses energy especially abilities like that(for example kaido lifting onigashima) this is true g4was faster and stronger but couldn't finish the job bz g4 had limits . Doflamingo decided to tank the attack he would have easily dodge that . When luffy used g4 again doflamingo was not surprised and decided to continue fighting( why would he do that if g4 was stronger?) You can say overwhelm outspeed etc etc but in the end doflamingo was all good after all attacks if luffy was that much stronger doflamingo would have lost the first time luffy used g4
@@DOG690 1. Doflamingo was fixing his organs. They were destroyed, but he was stiching everything back. Even if IT was temporary fix, he didn't had to worry about healing anymore, which only proves he was fine. As for the example, sure the damage is done but as a person who had few broken bones, it nearly doesn't affect me at all. 2. Luffy literally was going through Doflamingo's awakening. Doffy was just stalling him to get time. Luffy's attacks were much more powerful than Doflamingo's (Doflamingo did nearly nothing when he landed hit on Luffy, where he just proceed to strike Doffy like nothing happend). 3. Luffy had stronger haki, and that's it. Not only he had better Haki, but also his devil fruit (Gear 4 specifically) was just superior than whatever Doflamingo could throw. Gear 4 Luffy was superior in nearly every category than Doflamingo. The reason why Luffy didn't had time was awakening and how annoying it was to deal with, as it was just wasting Luffy's crucial time to finish Doffy. 4. I do agree Doflamingo took much worse beating and birdcage probably did drained his power. But if it would drain that much power, Doflamingo wouldn't just let Luffy wreck him especially that he didn't knew about Gear 4 time limit. Which means, Doflamingo placed everything on birdcage doing the job and just stalling. Otherwise I don't see Doflamingo just not letting go of birdcage to just fight more effectively (Such as when Kaido literally stopped lifting Onigashima when he was still fighting Luffy, just to use the power used on it, to fight against Gear 5. Based on fact he had power to blitz G5 for a while and dominate him even if it was for short time, he for sure could use that to just lift Onigashima longer). 5. Doflamingo got cocky he could overpower Luffy. That's why he lost. Still, based on the fact that Luffy could blitz Doflamingo before he could fully react (Rhino Schneider), It's clear he would be able to just speedblitz Doflamingo and just hit him with King Kong Gun. 6. As I said. Dressrosa G4 Luffy was clearly more powerful than Doflamingo. But because of Doflamingo's annoying to deal with awakening, Doffy had chance to win by stalling.
I would like to remind you, that if not Nami, Luffy could lose against Cracker who is weaker than Katakuri. Kata was handling Gear4 Boundman better than Doflamingo did. Even Cracker did better.
Yea Katakuri wins without Doffy landing a single hit.
crazy video😭😭😭
We need Sanji Vs Katakuri, yo. Its the bomb
It’s somehow still a convo 💀
This shouldn't even be a debate. Doffy couldn't even bare G4 punches. Katakuri can which puts his durability above Doffy. Katakuri also has better armament & advanced observation.
Ok but Doflamingo post Impel Down breakout will be crazy, trust.
He didnt do anything in prison, how will he "be crazy"?
@@Relatable685 Exactly 😂
@@Relatable685 sometimes you gotta let the slow kids ride with their imagination. that very same doffy was crying to magellan to protect him incase the world government sent assassins to silence him 😆
I find it hilarious cuz Doflamingo could easily escape in Shiki's fashion and quite literally fix his legs. And only thing Doflamingo misses to equal or beat Cracker/Jack is improving his haki.
Great video! The outcome was obvious!
I just have 2 questions:
1. Who?
2. Why?
Doffy vs Katakuri. Who is asking such obvious and stupid questions. And why are they asking??
Can you do lucci vs kid please 😁
Plz make a video on withbeard vs all YC like you did with grap vs admiral plz sir
I 100 % agree
Old beard probably beats every single one expect kuzan and Mihawk
Great video Mr Zage
Mr mochi is a goat
I know exactly who you made this for 😂
I feel like the fight goes relatively evenly despite Katakuri having better feats just because Odas fights are usually vibe checks. Crocodile vs Akainu for example
I love your videos and your explanations keep up the good work zage. Honestly I wanted to ask you could you do a video on Queen versus Udon prison Luffy?
This is a high diff fight
I can't believe some fans have Doffy > Katakuri lol. Can tell they just watch fight scenes and ignore the story
Where has this community gone for us to be making Doffy vs Katakuri videos in 2024 after Joyboy has just made an appearance in the manga
I've always found it weird that Paramecia devil fruit awakenings are able to affect the enviorment and not Logia awakenings, since Logia fruits usually represent natural elements. Stil sticking to my guns that a Logia awakening is what Enel did with his big Amaru form. I can't think of anything else that could be a Logia awakening.
Akainu and Aokiji bro, they changed the climate of an island
And no Logia users are stronger than them
@@Con.D.Oriano-w4y Ace also changed the climate of Drum Island temporarily by just visiting it. And I doubt he was awakened. Akainu and Aokiji changing Punk Hazard permanently is probably what Ace did to Drum Island, but because they fought all out for 10 days it stayed that way since they went all out with their powers.
Do an Ace matchup next
dont forget katakuri also has a rifle which he can use armament coated mochi bullets. he used this against luffy, he can use it against doffy combined with his future sight for accurate shots. i would like to see katakuri spar with nika luffy, also in the final war give us all the first commanders , zoro, king, katakuri , marco, benbeckman teaming up together
First pin me my King,
Also can you do a Sengoku scaling or Akainu?
First
I’ll keep it in mind
Lez go@@zagessj
live when bro
Probably tomorrow
Zage what do u think about the recent chapter on tcb and what happened (if u know what I’m talking about)
I’ll probably stream tomorrow
@@zagessj alr
This a debate?
hey zage do you Believe Doflamingo will come back even much more powerful and stronger. Who knows, maybe joining Blackbeard because he's got nowhere else to go. And besides, he would even face off against Charlotte Katakuri. And be more powerful and stronger than even him
I personally think that when inevitablely he leaves Impel Down he will be stronger than how he was b4 and have a bounty over 1 billion Berries since all the former warlords do. As for whose crew he joins I guess it'll whoever breaks him out of Impel Down unless he breaks out himself
Doffy will defo be stronger when he’s freed and maybe he’ll join Cross Guild or do his own thing.
he'll just be a little stronger. he has no clue how to train his haki
@@zagessjcross guild? No he will join black beard pirates
Luffy challneged Big Mom on fishman island. That was before Dressrosa. On Wholecake he clasjed with Linlin before Katakuri. I know what you meant, but its not what you said.
but wasn't katakuri beserk when luffy hit him?
edit: also katakuri could slip through the birdcage like he does with luffy's punches
Katakuri wasn’t berserk in that moment and I did think of that counter to the Birdcage but I thought if Sabo (a logia user) probably couldn’t go through it then neither could Katakuri.
Bro scheduled his video 5 years late😭😭😭
Will you upload again?
@@jextern7961 soon
coughing baby vs hydrogen bomb
Katakuri neg diffs
Doflamingo At best is high tobiroppo
Even Leader of the Tobiroppo
He is Not 3rd Commander lvl
You’re downplaying Doffy 💀
@@zagessj nah he would have Been Leader of Tobiroppo
He is not 3rd commander lvl
He might be somewhat relative to 3rd commander in certain aspects
But he is Not flat out relative
Im giving Doflamingo the benefit of the doubt too
His haki is strong but not much better than any if the tobiroppo
He is superior in df as he awakened it
And has sone good time with it
About 15 minutes in awakening
Maybe he can go double the time for 30 minutes
But that is still not crazy
His speed is above average
His haki is average
I think leader of the Tobiroppo is generous
And just where he is
He is closest to 3rd commander lvl
But he is lacking something that keeps him from there
Cracker
has better speed
Stronger haki (can easily get through g4 armament haki)
Much stronger offence and defence with his df (despite being in theory a weaker fruit)
Also awakened his biscuit fruit
And capable of fighting for 11 hours using his awakening on and off
Jack
Capable of fighting 2 people relative to commander lvl (one on one)
Capable of fighting for 5 days
Capable of tanking many big hits
Doflamingo can maybe match a Quarter of what these 3rd commanders are capable of
And you want to put him against Katakuri????
Who Way stronger than cracker
I don't think doflamingo beats Perospero
Perospero has Better Feats
He has Similar maybe better control over his df
His offence and Defence is higher as He took on Dogstorm
And Literally portrayed to be on jacks lvl a 3rd commander
Anyway you all give Doflamingo
To much hype
My final statement is Doflamingo is kinda relative to 3rd commander
He can fight one
But will not beat one
The difficulty is Mid
Even after he gets out of impel down
(somehow people think being Chained down and spending time in prison gives you a buff when we know it can Weaken you)
That boy katakuri getting Some W’s, can you do some Jinbei vs queen video and maybe a katakuri vs wano mega video
queen dont stand a chance against jimbei unless he uses some kind of virus in battle, all jimbei power shots cause both internal and external damage, his armament haki is also on another level, it might be comparable to katakuri power mochi. whos who hands were coated in armement and all his fingers got broken, jimbei even broke whos who wrists with his shark grip, whos who is an ancient zoan and zoans are known for durability
as far as wano goes katakuri vs king will be interesting, because king aint gonna touch katakuri unless he disables his flame, katakuri future sight also uses less energy than king lunarian flame, ultimately katakuri is gonna wear king down and beat him
@@warcrabcyber9908even with his flames off he won’t be able to land any hits on Kata! Since it took snake man + future sight together to barely land a hit on a fatigued Katakuri who severely injured himself!
Nice ideas
@@zagessjyo Zage shouldn’t katakuri’s edged mochi punches and his power mochi punches have the same ap
bra we been knew this you didn’t need to make a video 😂
Read the comments. Apparently, some people don't know this
Kat wins NO DIFFICULTY
This is utter facts. Doffy struggled with a base luffy while katakuri was so strong he forced luffy to level up in every way possible future sight and his base armament haki bloomed.
kat low diffs vid over
Doflamingo fought Law AND Strawhat. Clashed w/ Adm.Fujitora + Sanji ... fought G4 TWICE. He is above Commander Cracker and Smoothie. About top commander
The amount of nonsense in this comment is incredible...
He was getting stomped by Gear4 Luffy.
Law sure did some damage, but that doesn't change a fact, that even with awakening, Doflamingo could only stall Luffy.
Luffy with recovered Haki only for one attack, overwhelmed Doflamingo who fixed damage that Law done earlier when he used Gamma Knife.
Sanji at Dressrosa Saga wasn't even Commander level.
Cracker managed to fight better against Luffy than Doflamingo did. Sure he was Injured and used some of power for birdcage, but that doesn't change the fact, that Luffy was blitzing and stomping him.
Doflamingo basically did nothing against G4 other than taking his hits. In terms of Durability and Endurance Doflamingo was impressive. But that's all.
Cracker unlike Doflamingo, had way to not let Luffy just wreck him.
If Nami wouldn't be there, he could win that fight.
Ok now explain if g4 was steonger than doflamingo( nerfed doflamingo) then why didnt he finished doffy but needed the help of all dressrosa?dofy >g4 yes he wins bz luffy wasn't able to finish him and even when luffy used g4 again doflamingo wasn't afraid at all and he let luffy to charge that attack. Luffy won bz of plot not bz he was stronger. Yes katakuri >doflamingo mid diff
Doflamingo eventually managed to fix damage that Law done with Gamma Knife.
And still, he got overpowered by Luffy who just recovered enough haki to USE it. There is no way it was his full power.
Other than that, Doflamingo couldn't react and overpower Gear4 Luffy who also wasn't in ''fresh'' state. Doflamingo was using his power for birdcage and fixing himself, but there is no proof that if he would focus mainly on Luffy he would be able to do more than just taking hits and stalling Luffy with awakening. In fact, birdcage was his probably best bet to win whole battle. He wouldn't be able to take on Gear 4 Luffy in fair battle, so he just wanted to win by time limit.
In terms of overall Power, Dressrosa G4 Luffy was superior than Doflamingo. He was able to overpower and outspeed him whole time.
So, yea. In 1v1 you could argue that Doflamingo could somehow stretch and win the battle by stalling all the time (Unless Luffy would just go with King Kong Gun straight at him. I don't see how Doflamingo would handle that and then more stuff) But power-wise, G4 Luffy would overpower Doflamingo, every single time.
@@kfc-employee1380 well he didnt it was just a temporary fix the damage was already done . Let me give you a easy example. Lets saay you brake your leg with the time the leg will heal but the damage is already done or no? Why do you say overpowered doffy? Yes luffy got stronger and he had stronger haki but all his attacks where not crucial doflamingo was only losing some blood. Even tho luffy got stronger and faster he still couldn't keep up with doflamingos awakening. yes luffy was not fresh but the damage of doflamingo was way higher and also dont forget the birdcage which 100% is draining doflamingo ( even tho its not stated if you use your df ofcourse it uses energy especially abilities like that(for example kaido lifting onigashima) this is true g4was faster and stronger but couldn't finish the job bz g4 had limits . Doflamingo decided to tank the attack he would have easily dodge that . When luffy used g4 again doflamingo was not surprised and decided to continue fighting( why would he do that if g4 was stronger?) You can say overwhelm outspeed etc etc but in the end doflamingo was all good after all attacks if luffy was that much stronger doflamingo would have lost the first time luffy used g4
@@DOG690
1. Doflamingo was fixing his organs. They were destroyed, but he was stiching everything back. Even if IT was temporary fix, he didn't had to worry about healing anymore, which only proves he was fine.
As for the example, sure the damage is done but as a person who had few broken bones, it nearly doesn't affect me at all.
2. Luffy literally was going through Doflamingo's awakening. Doffy was just stalling him to get time. Luffy's attacks were much more powerful than Doflamingo's (Doflamingo did nearly nothing when he landed hit on Luffy, where he just proceed to strike Doffy like nothing happend).
3. Luffy had stronger haki, and that's it. Not only he had better Haki, but also his devil fruit (Gear 4 specifically) was just superior than whatever Doflamingo could throw. Gear 4 Luffy was superior in nearly every category than Doflamingo. The reason why Luffy didn't had time was awakening and how annoying it was to deal with, as it was just wasting Luffy's crucial time to finish Doffy.
4. I do agree Doflamingo took much worse beating and birdcage probably did drained his power. But if it would drain that much power, Doflamingo wouldn't just let Luffy wreck him especially that he didn't knew about Gear 4 time limit. Which means, Doflamingo placed everything on birdcage doing the job and just stalling. Otherwise I don't see Doflamingo just not letting go of birdcage to just fight more effectively (Such as when Kaido literally stopped lifting Onigashima when he was still fighting Luffy, just to use the power used on it, to fight against Gear 5. Based on fact he had power to blitz G5 for a while and dominate him even if it was for short time, he for sure could use that to just lift Onigashima longer).
5. Doflamingo got cocky he could overpower Luffy. That's why he lost. Still, based on the fact that Luffy could blitz Doflamingo before he could fully react (Rhino Schneider), It's clear he would be able to just speedblitz Doflamingo and just hit him with King Kong Gun.
6. As I said. Dressrosa G4 Luffy was clearly more powerful than Doflamingo. But because of Doflamingo's annoying to deal with awakening, Doffy had chance to win by stalling.
Doffy fought plot armor, Katakuri didn't. Doffy > Katekuri. Radiation (cancer) > w/e bellamy did. Oda sucks though.
Doflamingo would win this fight I hope you remember that luffy would have died if everyone wasn't trying to protect him
Are u high??
@@WizardDamon5076 you guys are sleeping on dofi
I would like to remind you, that if not Nami, Luffy could lose against Cracker who is weaker than Katakuri.
Kata was handling Gear4 Boundman better than Doflamingo did.
Even Cracker did better.